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Abdidhoof

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Wax is weydaariskaa daran.

Xalay aniga iyo xaaskeyga ayaa doodi na dhex martay, doodaas oo markii hore ku
bilaabatay arrin ku saabsan cunnada xalaasha ah (halaal food) ka dibna isu
beddeshay mid ku saabsan isu-tagga ragga iyo haweenka (eray gaaban oo ka qurux
badan WASMO, horta ma lagu hayaa af-Soomaliga ?), okey, aniga iyo xaaskeygu
xalay waxaan ka doodnay arrin ku saabsan Wasmooyinka Xalaasha ah (Halaal Sex),
:) :) ;)

Marka laga reebo *anal intercourse*, waxaan is weydiinay su'aasha ah bal inay
jiraan habab ninka iyo naagta xalaasha isku qaba ka xaaraantimeysan inay isu
(haye haddana waa i kan..) wasaan ?

Waxaan is weydiiney waxa ay diinteenu ka qabto hadii ninku xaaskiisa weydiisto
inay iyadu mararka qaarkood isaga ka dul marto ? dhunkashadu xad ma leedahay ?
waxaan kaloo is weyiinney foorarsi in la isu waso (doggy style-ku) horta ma
xalaal baa mise waa xaaraan.

Waxaan jeclaan laheyn in si saaxiibnimo ah nalooka jahil bixiyo su'aalaheennaan
laga yaabo inay caadiga aheyn.

CIID WANAAGSAN.

Ahmed Barre

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Aryaa rag iyo dumar Aloow mehaan fiiriya. ee waa ku su'aashaas!. Dogie
style-na anagaa yaabnee xaaw ahaay?.Eeboow na caymi.!.
--
[In uriidu ila-al islah ma astada'atu.Wamaa tawfiiqii ilaa bilaah]
Ahmed Yassin

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Abdirizak

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There are other news groups for xxx rated msg. I suggest you go ask them for
advice.
Peace
Ciid Mubaarak
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Joseph Babylon

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Abdidhoof wrote:

> (eray gaaban oo ka qurux
> badan WASMO, horta ma lagu hayaa af-Soomaliga ?),

No, unfortunately there isn't! "Iskutagid" is as close as you can get. Of course
the literal meaning of the word is "union", so...


> Marka laga reebo *anal intercourse*, waxaan is weydiinay su'aasha ah bal inay
> jiraan habab ninka iyo naagta xalaasha isku qaba ka xaaraantimeysan inay isu
> (haye haddana waa i kan..) wasaan ?

I doubt it. In fact, I even doubt that _anal intercourse_ is haaraan. I stand
corrected however. i suppose if something wasn't socially acceptable, some would
find ways of making it xaaraan.

> Waxaan is weydiiney waxa ay diinteenu ka qabto hadii ninku xaaskiisa weydiisto
> inay iyadu mararka qaarkood isaga ka dul marto ?

Diintu waxyaabaha sidaa u yar wakhtii iskagama luminayso. Top or bottom, you
choose. Depending on who's heavier of course. :-)


> dhunkashadu xad ma leedahay ?

Absolutely, halaal. Going downtown may be questionable though. I dunno.

> waxaan kaloo is weyiinney foorarsi in la isu waso (doggy style-ku) horta ma
> xalaal baa mise waa xaaraan.

Definitely halaal. I can't think of any "aaya" or "hadiith" that addresses this.
Again, I stand corrected.


> Waxaan jeclaan laheyn in si saaxiibnimo ah nalooka jahil bixiyo su'aalaheennaan
> laga yaabo inay caadiga aheyn.

Cid kasta oo xaas ah (sidayda oo kale) way is waydiisa. Cid ka jahil bixinaysa ayaa
dhulka ku yar Abdidhoofow. It's the epitome of cultural taboos.


> CIID WANAAGSAN.

To you too!


Joseph Babylon

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Abdirizak wrote:

> There are other news groups for xxx rated msg. I suggest you go ask them for
> advice.
> Peace
> Ciid Mubaarak

If you know the answers to the brother's questions then go ahead and answer. If
not, don't patronize him and show us how narrow minded you are. These are
legitimate concerns that every married, muslim, couple faces. What's so x-rated
about sex between a husband and a wife?

JB


Daud7

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> abdi...@aol.com (Abdidhoof)< Writes:

______-Trash snipped____________


Abdidhoof,

Since you have your own God, Religion, Tafsiir and Masjid there is no reason
what so ever to seek any remedies or solutions from those islamist whom you
insult day in and night out their Islamic conviction.

Remember, only when you come back to the term of real Islam and stop islam
bashing let alone this kind of filthy convulsion you may get attention you
need.


Untill then go XX rated filthies and share with them your private life.

Allaahu Ihdihi hadal Alcabdul Al Dhaa'ic

Ina Da'ud

Ahmed.JHB.SA

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Hadiiba ay ahmiyadu ahayd inaad la shir timaado waxay u yaqaaneen (Oral
xxx) waad ku guulaysatay.
Waxaanse la yaabay Xaaskaagu ma kugu waafaqsan tahay qudhankan. (Waa ka
Xumahay ee ma Jamaican baa?)
tani waxay qayb ka tahay dadaalka ay Soomaali badani ugu jirto inay
noloshooda qoysnimo ka dhigaan sida mida Monica Lewinesky.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

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In article <19990328011600...@ng42.aol.com>,
abdi...@aol.com (Abdidhoof) wrote:
>
> Wax is weydaariskaa daran.
>
Abdidhoof,

You cracked me up!!!! I think you are right in regard to the infamous
word...couldn't they find a better one? Why don't you come up with an
appropriate and more tender word? Unfortunately, you are directing your
questions to the wrong crowd. A bunch of hypocrites and fanatic wadaads who
are probably drooling and fantasizing about your descriptions on the matter.
Was your intention to provoke those mentioned above? I doubt you were
sincere. Keep this place alive abdidhoof with your controversial issues but
otherwise legittimate.

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Abdidhoof

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Horta aan idin weydiiyee maxay Somalidu qaarkeed aan caadiga aheyn uga
gabbataa inay ka hadasho arrrimaha ku saabsansan Wasmada ?
Waxaan meeshaan ku soo qoray su'aal aniga runtii aan sidaas ila sii
qalloocneyn, oo ku saabsan bal haddii ay jiraan siyaalo ka xaarantimaysan anay
ninka iyo naagta muslinka ah oo is qaba isu wasi karaan ?

Waa maxay boodhka la isku qarinayo ?
Marka si xalaal ah la isu guursado, wasmadu ceeb uma aha sinnaba , runtii waaba
ajar aakhiro iyo farxad adduunyo taas oo weliba lagu sii daray ubad iyo caano !

Mise waxaa la leeyahay meesha ciyaal ayaa jooga ee yaan waxyaalaha dadka
waaweyn khuseeya looga hadlin ?

Weger !!! Malaha flight -13 bay ku yimaadeen
internetka ? :)

Markaa jawaabteydu waxay noqoneysaa ciyaalkiinna u sheega inay meeshani tahay
god cirka ku yaalla oo ay dadka waaweyni arrimahooda uga falanqoonayeen muddo
dheer, marka kuwiinaan gunuunucaya ilaaliya oo la socda waxa ciyaalkiinnu ka
akhrisanayaan internetka !

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Salaama Celeykum Dhamaantiin.

Waxaan Layaabay qoraalkii uu sooqoray AbdiDhoof oo Xushmad daro darteed
Xaaskiisa wuxuu kala sheekeystay (Public) ka sheegaya, taasaa ugu filan
Doqonimo iyo afxumo.Waxaanse la siiyaabay Markuu Su,aal Qabo, Horta adigu
Islam xagee kajoogtaa.Waxaan dadka halkan wax ku sooqora u soo jeedin lahaa
ineyna dheg u dhigin wuxuu qorayo Mujrimkaasi, Waxaan ku soo gabagebeynayaa
hadalkaga Xadiis Nebigu Salalaahu Caleyhi Wasalam ku yiri(Hadaadan Xishooneyn
samee waxaad rabtid)

Br Nuur

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Mudane Abdidhoof, Marka hore waxaad ku mahadsan thay su'aasha
qiimaha badan ee aad soo jeedisay ee ay geesinimada ku jirto
in kasta oo wax ma garadka iyo wadaad xumaha isku dayeen in
ay su'aashaada qalloociyaan , hadana waa waxa ugu badan ee
wadaadau dhexdooda kaga sheekaystaan, ayaga oo isku qancinaya
in alle xaqqa ka xishoon. war wadaadu ma wax aan wasmo iyo
dumar aheen ayey ka sheekaystaan .
waxa aniga ila tahay su'aalahaa ay tahay su'aalo jira oo loo
baahan yahay in mar walba la isweydiiyo, waxaana taa cadeynay
Quraanka iyo xadiithkaba waa ka jawaabeen si cad oo tafo tiran.
wakhtigii Nabiga ee quraanka soo dagayey yahuudaa ayaa waxa
ay orna jireen qofka naagtiisa gadaal uga taga(Dogy) waxa u dhasha
cunug weershe ah(Axwal), saxaabada qaarkeedna habkaa ayey jeclaayeen
markaa ayuu Alle yiri Quraanka Ugu taga dumarkiina hab kasta aad
jeclaysataan hadii aad siilka wasaysaan.
Abdishoofow mise ogtahay in diinteenu wasmo sexual relation(Intercourse)
ay tahay Gus iyo siil la is galiyo keliya , oo aysan ku jirin
Gus nuugidda iwm oo Clinton xaga Islaamka sax ku ahaa markii uu yiri
"I did not have sexual relations(intercourse) with that women".
Marka ma jiro qof Xaaran ka dhigi karo wax aan alle xaraamin
sida Oral Sex . Wadaada Somalida ma rabaan in dumarka ay wasmada
ku raaxaystaan sidaa ayey weli uga dhigaan in gudniinka diinta qabto,
si ay inta ay doonaan oo dumar isaga was wasaan.

Midnimo

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Abdidhoof

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Su'aashan ku saabsan wasmada xalaasha ah runtii wax weyn baa iiga siyaaday, tan
ugu qosolka badanna ay ahayd markii uu nin saaxiibbo aan nahay oo ah wadaad
dhedhexaad (moderate) uu si hoos ahaana iigu sheegay in marka uu qiimeeyo
waxyaalaha uu sameeyo maalin walba, tan ku xigta Caabudaadda Ilaahay (shanta
salaadood) ee ugu qiimaha bad ay tahay marka uu habeenkii u tago xaaskiisa,
dhunkado, salaaxo oo uu wasmada daruuraha sarsare ugu qaado, oo ay bilowdo inay
qayliso, ilaa uu ka yeersiiyo: 'Allaahu Akbar !! Allaahu Akbar !! Alllllaaaahu
Akkkbaaaar !!!'

Wow !! Taas ma aanan ogeyn, dadka qaarkood waxay si qaldan ugu haystaan in
Muslimiintu ku dhawaaqaan hal-hayska "Allaahu Akbar !" marka ay dagaal gelayaan
oo keliya, halkanse waxaa ka cad in erayada 'Allaahu Akbar' ay marka ay
qorraxdu dhacdo ka mid yihiin dhawaaqyada markhaati-galka u ah jeceylka kama
dambeenta ah..

Fiiri gaar ah:

Akhristoow (rag iyo dumarba) haddii waxa halkaan ku qoran ay ku xasuusiyaan wax
aad hore u sameeysey, ogoow in arrintu adiga si gaar ah kuugu saabsaneyn.

ci...@my-dejanews.com

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>(eray gaaban oo ka qurux badan WASMO, horta ma lagu hayaa af-Soomaliga ?),

HAA ERAY KA FIICAN BAA LAHAYAA. WAA EREYGA AH "GAAL DIL"

SHEEKO AYAA JIRTEY LAAKIIN SI FIICAN UMA XASUUSTO:

GABAR LAGUUSADAY OO DIINTA XOOGAA KA BARATEY AYAA WAXAA
GUUSADAY WIIL DIINTA AAN SI FIICAN U AQOON OO XISHOOD BADAN.
LAAKIISE RABA IN UU AJAR HELO GABARTIISANA U TAGO.

HABEENKII HABEENADA UGU HOREEYEY OO AY AQAL GALEEN BAA
GABARTII TIRI GACALIYO WAXAAN MAQLAY HADDII AAN ISU TAGNO
MARWABA IN AAN HELAYNO AJIR U DHIGMA IN AAN "GAALO DILNO"
INAGO OO JIHAAD KU JIRNO OO KALE.

WIILKII IYO GABARTABA MARKII AY ISRABAANBA WAXAY
YIRAAYDAAN "LET US GO AND KILL AN INFIDEL", MEESHII
AY ERAGA ABDIDHOOF NECEB YAHAY AY KA ORAN LAHAAYEEN.

HABEEN WALBANA WAXAY DILI JIREEN SHAN AMA 6 GAALO.
SO IT IS OKAY FOR THOSE WHO ARE MARRIED IN AY GAALO
BADAN DILAAN MARWALBE AY USU TAGAAN SIDII AY AJAR U
HELAAN HABEEN WALBA. "GAAL DIL, GARTIISANA SII"
"GAAL DIL, AJIRNA HEL"

CIISE MIRE HIRSI.

ci...@my-dejanews.com

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5. DAYS & TIMES FOR SEX

(A) Is sex forbidden at any time in marriage ?

Yes, by considering the discomfort for the women during the monthly periods,
Islam has forbidden both the husband and the wife from engaging in sexual
intercourse during menstruation.


The Qur'an says:


They ask you about menstruation. Say: "Menstruation is a discomfort (for
women). Do not establish sexual relations with them during the menses and do
not approach them (sexually) until the blood stops. Then when they have
cleansed themselves, you go into them as Allah has commanded you." (2:222)


According to the shari'ah, the duration of the monthly period is between three
to ten days. If the bleeding was for less than three days, it is not
menstruation; if it is for more than ten days, then it is menstruation for ten
days and then it is counted as istihazah, irregular bleeding during which sex
is permitted. (For further details, see my Ritual Ablutions for Women.)

The prohibition of sex during the periods is limited strictly to sexual
intercourse; other intimate contact (with the exception of the vagina and
anus) is allowed. However, it is better not to play with her body between the
navel and the knees.

If a person who is engaged in sexual intercourse with his wife discovers that
her period has begun, then he should immediately withdraw from her.

It is clear from the verse mentioned above (until the blood stops) that once
the blood has stopped, intercourse becomes lawful even if the woman has not
performed the major ritual ablution (ghusl). But on the basis of the
subsequent sentence (then when they have cleansed themselves...), most
mujtahids say that it is better to refrain from intercourse till she performs
the ghusl or, at least, washes her private parts. (Wasa'il, vol. 1, p. 576)

Sexual intercourse is also not allowed during the post-natal bleeding (10
days), during daytime in the month of Ramadhan, and when a person is in ihram
during the pilgrimage to Mecca. At all other times, sexual intercourse is
allowed.

(B) Is it discouraged (makruh) to have sex at any time or on any day ?

There are certain ahadith which say that sexual intercourse during some days
and at some times is makruh, but not haram.

These days and times are as follows:

i. during frightful natural occurrences, e.g., eclipse, hurricane, earthquake;

ii . from sunset till maghrib;

ii. from dawn till sunrise;

iii. the last three nights of lunar months;

iv. eve of the 15th of every lunar month;

v. eve of 10th Zil-hijjah;

vii. after becoming junub.

Some of these are self-explanatory: I don't think any one would be in the
mood for sexual intercourse during a hurricane or earthquake. The second and
third examples are of the prayer times; obviously, a Muslim is expected to
spend that time in meditation and prayer. One must remember, firstly, that it
is makruh, not haram, to have sexual intercourse at these times. Secondly,
the ahadith for such issues have been accepted on basis of the qa'idatu
't-tasamuh mentioned earlier. Thirdly, the reasons given for this karahat are
mostly about possible deformity of a child conceived at that time. By looking
at these reasons, I am inclined to restrict this karahat only in cases of
couples who plan to have children, and not extend it to those who practice
birth control.

I would therefore advise the readers to be considerate to your spouse and not
to put him or her in unnecessary tension; It your spouse is very sensitive
about these makruh days then try to accommodate your likes and dislikes
accordingly. Mutual understanding is the key.

(A) Are there days and times when sexual intercourse is recommended?

Yes we have certain ahadith which say that it is better to have sexual
intercourse at these times:

i. Sunday night;

ii. Monday night;

iii. Wednesday night;

iv. Thursday noon;

v. Thursday night;

vi. Friday evening;

vii. whenever the wife wants to have sex.

Thursday and Friday are weekends in the Islamic calendar!

(A) Are there times when it is obligatory (wajib) to have sexual intercourse ?

Yes! It is wajib on man to have sex with his wife at least once in every four
months; this is considered as one of the conjugal rights of the wife. This
obligation stays in force unless there is a valid excuse or the wife waives
her right.

6. SEXUAL TECHNIQUES

Before I start writing anything about sexual techniques, it is necessary to
say that no rules and laws exist either in foreplay or in intercourse. The
only laws and rules are the ones reached by the lovers by mutual and often
unspoken understanding. Whatever is pleasing and satisfying to both the
husband and the wife is right and proper; and whatever is mutually
displeasing is wrong. The only I imitation to this general rule would be any
shari'ah rule which goes against the wishes of the husband or the wife.

(A) Foreplay:

Man often forgets that woman also has been created with the same desires as
himself. Asbagh bin Nubatah quotes Imam 'Ali that, "Almighty God created
sexual desires in ten parts; then He gave nine parts to women and one to
men." But then Allah also gave them "equal parts of shyness.'' (Wasa'il, vol.
14, p. 40) Many times this shyness makes the man ignore the desires of his
wife.

Based on this reality, Islam emphasizes on foreplay. Imam 'Ali says, "When
you intend to have sex with your wife, do not rush because the woman (also)
has needs (which should be fulfilled)." (Wasa'il, vol. 14, p. 40) Sex without
foreplay has been equated to cruelty. The Prophet said, "Three people are
cruel: . ..a person who has sex with his wife before foreplay.'' (Wasa'il,
vol. 14, p. 40) Another hadith equates sex without foreplay to animal
behavior: "When anyone of you has sex with his wife, then he should not go to
them like birds; instead he should be slow and delaying." (Wasa'il, vol. 14,
p. 82) The Prophet said, "No one among you should have sex with his wife like
animals; rather there should be a messenger between them." When asked about
the messenger, he said, "It means kissing and talking." (Tahzibu'l-Ihya, vol.
3, p. 110) Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq has been quoted as follows, "...there should
be mutual foreplay between them because it is better for sex." (Wasa'il, vol.
14, p. 82) The Prophet said, "...every play of a believer is void except in
three cases: horse-riding, archery and mutual foreplay with his wife these
are haqq." (Wasa'il, vol. 14, p. 83)

As for the role of a woman in sexual foreplay, the Imams have praised a wife
who discards shyness when she is with her husband. A hadith was quoted
earlier from Imam 'Ali which said that women have been given nine-tenths of
the sexual desire but Allah has also given them nine-tenths of shyness. (See
p. 32) I had promised in Chapter Two to explain the rationale behind this
hadith. There might seem to be a contradiction in this act of God, but it is
not so. Both the sexual desire and the shyness have been placed for very
specific purpose. The sexual desire is to be unleashed, yes unleashed, when a
woman is with her husband, but it must be shielded with shyness when she is
with other people. This has been very eloquently explained by Imam Muhammad
al-Baqir when he said, "The best woman among you is the one who discards the
armor of shyness when she undresses for her husband, and puts on the armor of
shyness when she dresses up again." (Wasa'il, vol. 14, p. 14-15) After all,
modesty and chastity in public is the hallmark of a Muslim lady.

These sayings clearly show that the husband and the wife should feel
completely free when they are engaged in mutual stimulation which is known as
foreplay. There is nothing wrong, according to Islam, for a woman to be
active and responsive during sex. This is diametrically opposed to the sexual
morality of the Christian Western world before the sexual revolution. Russell
says, "Western women of a generation or two ago can recall being warned by
their mothers that sexual intercourse was an unpleasant duty which they owed
to their husbands, and that they were 'to lie still and think of England'.
(As quoted in Sex and Destiny, p. 94) What else but a sexual revolt could
such a morality breed?

As for the Islamic shari'ah, all the mujtahids are unanimous in saying that
the act of sexual foreplay in itself is mustahab (recommended). Likewise, it
is recommended not to rush into sexual intercourse. (Al-'Urwah, p. 625) The
operative word is mutual pleasure and satisfaction.

(B) Techniques of Foreplay:

As far as the methods of mutual stimulation in foreplay are concerned, the
shari'ah allows the husband and the wife to see, kiss, touch, smell and
stimulate any part of each other's body. Therefore, oral sex, as it is known
in this part of the world is allowed. Imam Musa al-Kazim was once asked, "Can
a person kiss his wife's vagina?" The Imam said, "No problem." (Wasa'il, vol.
14, p. 77; for similar views of present mujtahids see al-'Urwah, p. 625) The
only restriction is that no foreign object should be used. And this
restriction is quite understandable: nothing can really substitute the things
Allah has created in our bodies!

The restriction I am placing on the use of foreign objects is based on the
following hadith. 'Ubaydullah bin Zurarah says that he had an old neighbor who
owned a young slave-girl. Because of his old age, he could not fully satisfy
the young slave-girl during sexual intercourse. She would therefore ask him to
place his fingers in her vagina as she liked it. The old man complied with her
wishes even though he did not like this idea. So he requested 'Ubaydullah to
ask Imam ' Ali ar-Riza (a. s.) about it. When 'Ubaydullah asked the Imam about
it, the Imam said, "There is no problem as long as he uses any part of his own
body upon her, but he should not use any thing other than his body on her."
(Wasa'il, vol. 14, p. 77)

In an earlier discussion, we said that masturbation (i.e., self-stimulation
of one's own sexual organ till emission of semen or orgasm) is not allowed.
However, in the case of married persons, there is no problem if the wife
stimulates her husband's penis till the emission of semen or the husband
stimulates his wife's vagina till orgasm. (This issue has also been clearly
mentioned by the late Ayatullah al-Khu'i in answer to some questions sent by
an 'alim from London) This is allowed because it does not come under "self-
stimulation;" it is stimulation by a lawful partner. The Qur'an clearly says
that, "The believers are.. . those who protect their sexual organs except
from their spouses." (23: 5-6) And stimulation of sexual organs by a lawful
partner surely comes under the definition of protecting one's organ s "except
from their spouses."

(C) Sexual Intercourse:

Is there any particular position for sexual intercourse which is forbidden in
Islam? No! As far as the basic coital positions are concerned, there are no
restrictions. I am using the term 'basic coital positions' for the positions
known as the man above, face to face, woman above face to face; side position,
face to face; rear-entry position in which the husband penetrates the vagina
from the rear. Actually, the shari'ah has left it on the husband and the wife
to explore and experiment as they wish.

In the early Islamic period, an event took place which clarified this issue
for all. The people of Medina, influenced by the Jews, used man-above face to
face position during sexual intercourse; whereas the Meccans liked to
experiment various positions. After the migration of Muslims to Medina, a
Meccan married a Medinan woman and wanted to have sex with her in his own
way. The woman refused and said that he can have sex with her only in one
position. The case was reported to the Prophet; so Allah revealed the verse
saying "Your women are a tilth for you, so go in to your tilth as you like."
(2:223) That is, in any position. (At-Tabataba'i, al-Mizan, vol. 3 (English
translation) p. 319)

However, it is makruh to adopt a standing position, or to face the qiblah or
keep it on the backside during the intercourse. It is advisable to refrain
from the acrobatic positions given by some sexologists of the East and the
West which might even cause physical harm. Remember, the basic rule is mutual
pleasure and flexibility. If one partner does not like a particular position,
then the other should yield to his or her feelings.

(D) Anal Intercourse:

The opinions of our mujtahids vary on the permissibility of anal intercourse.
Before mentioning the preferred and correct view, I would like to explain why
the mujtahids have differed in their opinions.

This variance in fatwas is because of the difference in the ahadith we have
on this issue. There is a hadith, for example, from Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq
quoting the Prophet that "The anus of women is haram for my community."
(Wasa'il, vol. 14, p. 104) Now this hadith categorically forbids anal
intercourse. But, according to 'Allamah al-Hilli and ash-Shahid ath-Thani,
the chain of narrators of this hadith is not completely flawless. (See
Hilli's Tazkiratu'l-Fuqaha, vol. 2, p. 576-7; Shahid's Masalik, vol. 2, p.
303) On the other hand for example, we have a hadith from 'Abdullah bin Abi
Ya'fur whose chain of narrators is authentic in which Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq
was questioned about a man who had had intercourse in the anus of his wife.
The Imam said, "There is no problem in it if she agrees." (Wasa'il
'sh-Shi'ah, vol. 14, p. 103)

When faced which such conflicting ahadith, most mujtahids have tried to bring
them together by taking the apparently more authentic hadith (which approves
anal intercourse) as a qualifier for the ahadith which totally forbid such
sex. And in conclusion, they say that the prohibition in such ahadith is not
on the level of haram, instead it is on the level of makruh. (See ash-Shahid
ath- Thani, Sharh Lum'ah, vol. 2, p. 68 and Masalik, vol. 1, p. 438-9)

This conclusion of theirs is supported by a third category of ahadith on this
subject in which the Imams have clearly and strongly discouraged their
followers from anal intercourse. An example can be found in the question asked
by Safwan al-Jammal to Imam 'Ali ar-Riza (a.s.) in which the latter clearly
expressed his personal dislike for such act. (Wasa'ilu 'sh-Shi'ah, vol. 14, p.
102-103)

Therefore the majority of the Shi'ah mujtahids have derived two conclusions:
(l) that anal intercourse is not haram but strongly disliked (karahatan
shadidah) provided the wife agrees to it. (2) and if she does not agree to it,
then all mujtahids say that it is precautionarily wajib to refrain from it.
(See the fatawa of all contemporary mujtahids in their annotations to
al-'Urwatu'l-Wuthqa, p. 628)

With all due respect to the great mujtahids who hold the above opinion, I
would like to present the preferred opinion. It is true that we have
conflicting ahadith from our Imams on anal intercourse, but the ahadith which
approve anal intercourse are not suitable for deriving an opinion. Why?
Because, in the case of conflicting ahadith, the mujtahid has to contrast
them with the Sunni view prevalent at the time when the ahadith were issued
by the Imams. And, then, those which agree with the Sunni view are to be
considered as statements issued under taqiyyah and, therefore, not suitable
for use in ijtihad. (For this methodology, the specialist reader may refer to
Shaykh Murtaza al-Ansari, Rasa'il, p. 464-468) Using this method of solving
the conflicting ahadith gives strength to the prohibitive ahadith and brings
us to the preferred view that anal intercourse is not allowed. (For further
details on this view, the specialist reader may refer to the late Ayatullah
Syed Rahat Husayn al- Golalpuri, al-Intisar fi hurmati'l-adbar, Lucknow,
al-Wa'iz Safdar Press, 1354 AH. To know the views of some prominent Sunnis of
the Early Islamic period who approved anal intercourse, the English readers
can refer to at-Tabataba'i, al- Mizan vol. 3 (English translation) pp.
320-321) Probably, it was such a consideration which caused the late
Ayatullah al-Khu'i to change his view on this issue. During the last decade
of his life, Ayatullah al-Khu'i departed from the majority view and gave the
ruling that it was precautionarily wajib to abstain from anal intercourse no
matter whether the wife agrees to it or not. (See al-Khu'i, Minhaju
's-Salihiyn, vol. 1 (Beirut: 22nd edition) p. 64)

I would strongly advise against anal intercourse, and would like to end this
section with the saying of Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq and Imam 'Ali ar-Riza about
anal intercourse: "Woman is a means of your pleasure, therefore do not harm
her." (Wasa'il, vol. 14, p. 101-102)

(E) Decency & Privacy

There was a time when people need not be reminded of some of the basic moral
and ethical values, but now we are living in an era where moral values are
changing like worn-out car tires!

One such issue is decency of dress at home and privacy at the time of sexual
intercourse or intimate contact between husband and wife. There are some
people in the West (of course, a minority) who think that it is okay, nay
healthy, to stay naked in presence of their children! On a collective basis,
they also organize nude camps. Why? So that the children will not think
negatively about their own sexuality. Such parents also feel that there is
nothing wrong in sexual intercourse in the presence of their children. This
behavior is an example of the extreme reaction to the rigid Christian
morality. To protect their children from associating sex with evil, some of
these parents go to the extent of completely opening up to their children!

Such behavior is not only condemned by those who still abide by religious
moral systems, it is equally condemned by those who are familiar with child
psychology. A sexual manual read by millions of Westerners says, "Never
involve children in adult sexual activities: militant and exhibitionist
liberals who try to acclimatize children to the naturalness of sex by letting
them in any level of their own sex lives probably do at least as much harm as
was ever done by the prohibitive sex-is-dirty generation."

We have quite a few ahadith in which the Prophet and the Imams have
emphasized that when you engage in sexual intercourse, make sure that no
child (or, for that matter, any other person) sees you or hears you. Abu
Basir quotes Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq as follows, "Be careful not to have sex
with your wife while a child can see you. The Prophet used to dislike this
(attitude) very strongly." (Wasa'il, vol. 14, p. 94-95) If a child sees and
hears the parents engaged in sexual intercourse, he might go through a
shocking psychological experience. It might also create a problem in his own
adult life. The manual quoted earlier says, "Most young children are
biologically programmed to interpret the sight or sound of adult coition as
evidence of a violent assault (they are aware of it earlier than you would
expect, so don't keep babies in the bedroom), and the awareness of
mother-father sexual relations is on all counts far too explosive a matter to
be monkeyed with in the interest of Reichian experiments."

Islam has laid down clear guide-lines about the privacy of adults. Referring
to the children who have not yet reached the age of puberty (bulugh), the
Qur'an says:

O you who believe! ... Those of you who have not yet reached puberty should
ask you for permission (before entering your bedroom during) three times:
before the dawn prayer, when you put off your garments at midday (for
siesta), and after the night prayer these are three times of privacy for you.
Besides (these three times), there is no blame on you or them if you go to
one another (without announcing yourselves). Thus God makes clear to you the
signs, and God is All-Knowing, Wise. (24:58)

Then referring to the children who have reached the age of puberty, the Qur'an
says:


When your children reach puberty, they should ask your permission (at all
times before entering your bedrooms) just as those who were before them had
asked permission. Thus God makes clear to you the signs, and God is
All-Knowing, Wise. (24:59)


These two verses give us the following rules about privacy within and without
the family circles:

1. There are three times in a day night, early morning and afternoon which are
considered as times of privacy.

2. The minor children should be taught that during times of privacy they are
not allowed to enter the bedroom of their parents or adults without first
asking their permission. Obviously, by minor we do not mean infants; we mean
the children who can understand what is right and what is wrong. I would put
that at age five and above. The parents will have to ingrain this teaching to
their minor children gradually.

3. At other times, the children are free to come and go into the bedroom of
their parents without asking for their permission. In retrospect, this means
that the parents should be decently dressed at those other times.

4. As for the mature children and adults, the Qur'an is clear that they may
enter the bedroom of their parents or other adults at all times only after
asking their permission.

http://www.al-islam.org/m_morals/chap3b.htm#anchor540846

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Waar Ciisow adigu ku garrannaye Mowqifka Ahlu sunnaha Ma Aayaadkii baad ka door
bidday?.


Ina Da'ud

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da...@aol.com (Daud7) wrote:
> >ci...@my-dejanews.com

> Waar Ciisow adigu ku garrannaye Mowqifka Ahlu sunnaha Ma Aayaadkii baad ka
door
> bidday?.
>
> Ina Da'ud
>


WAXAA LA WARIYEY IN AYAAD QURAANKA KA MID AH AY TIRI
QAATA QOWL WANAAGSAN KANA TAGA KUWA XUN. EVERYTHING CAN
NOT BE QOWL AXSAN AH....ONLY THE AAYAADKA QURAANKA AH AYAA
QOWL SAXA AH. MOWQIFKA BINI'AADAM KA WAXAA KA DOORBID FIICAN
AAYAADKA ILAAHAY. AHLU SUNNAH IYO AHLU SHIICA INTA AY ISKU
RAACSAN YIHIIN BAA BADAN, SO IT IS OKAY IN LA QAATO QOWLUL
XAG AND IT IS OKAY IN LAGA TAGO QOWLUL BILAA-XAQ...ALLAAHU'CAALIM.

CIISE MIRE HISRI

Abdidhoof

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Ahahahahaha !!!! now thats realy funny, but Isse, don't you think thats a bit
too hard a name for such a tender act as sex ?

Thanks you for the hillariously informative article, it really made us laugh
half the night long.
Yessir, we should all refrain from having sex in acrobatic positions ;)

Regards.


>From: ci...@my-dejanews.com
>Date: Wed, Mar 31, 1999 18:07 EST
>Message-id: <7du9s1$o3a$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
>
>
>>(eray gaaban oo ka qurux badan WASMO, horta ma lagu hayaa af-Soomaliga ?),
>
>HAA ERAY KA FIICAN BAA LAHAYAA. WAA EREYGA AH "GAAL DIL"
>
>SHEEKO AYAA JIRTEY LAAKIIN SI FIICAN UMA XASUUSTO:
>
>GABAR LAGUUSADAY OO DIINTA XOOGAA KA BARATEY AYAA WAXAA
>GUUSADAY WIIL DIINTA AAN SI FIICAN U AQOON OO XISHOOD BADAN.
>LAAKIISE RABA IN UU AJAR HELO GABARTIISANA U TAGO.
>
>HABEENKII HABEENADA UGU HOREEYEY OO AY AQAL GALEEN BAA
>GABARTII TIRI GACALIYO WAXAAN MAQLAY HADDII AAN ISU TAGNO
>MARWABA IN AAN HELAYNO AJIR U DHIGMA IN AAN "GAALO DILNO"
>INAGO OO JIHAAD KU JIRNO OO KALE.
>
>WIILKII IYO GABARTABA MARKII AY ISRABAANBA WAXAY
>YIRAAYDAAN "LET US GO AND KILL AN INFIDEL", MEESHII
>AY ERAGA ABDIDHOOF NECEB YAHAY AY KA ORAN LAHAAYEEN.
>
>HABEEN WALBANA WAXAY DILI JIREEN SHAN AMA 6 GAALO.
>SO IT IS OKAY FOR THOSE WHO ARE MARRIED IN AY GAALO
>BADAN DILAAN MARWALBE AY USU TAGAAN SIDII AY AJAR U
>HELAAN HABEEN WALBA. "GAAL DIL, GARTIISANA SII"
> "GAAL DIL, AJIRNA HEL"
>
>CIISE MIRE HIRSI.
>

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>
>In article <19990401120818...@ng01.aol.com>,
> da...@aol.com (Daud7) wrote:
>> >ci...@my-dejanews.com
>
>> Waar Ciisow adigu ku garrannaye Mowqifka Ahlu sunnaha Ma Aayaadkii baad ka
>door
>> bidday?.
>>
>> Ina Da'ud
>>
>
>
>WAXAA LA WARIYEY IN AYAAD QURAANKA KA MID AH AY TIRI
>QAATA QOWL WANAAGSAN KANA TAGA KUWA XUN.


Waa ayaaddee? Yaase weriyaya?.


> EVERYTHING CAN
>NOT BE QOWL AXSAN AH....ONLY THE AAYAADKA QURAANKA AH AYAA
>QOWL SAXA AH.


Sunnada sax ah ee Bukhari iyo Muslim iwm qowlka wanaagsan miyaysan ku jidhin?.


> MOWQIFKA BINI'AADAM KA WAXAA KA DOORBID FIICAN
>AAYAADKA ILAAHAY.

Sunnada rasuulka mowqifka bina'aadamka miyay ka mid tahay?!


> AHLU SUNNAH IYO AHLU SHIICA INTA AY ISKU
>RAACSAN YIHIIN BAA BADAN,


Maxaa caddayn kara oo ay ka midaysan yihiin?


> SO IT IS OKAY IN LA QAATO QOWLUL
>XAG AND IT IS OKAY IN LAGA TAGO QOWLUL BILAA-XAQ...ALLAAHU'CAALIM.

Waa hadal fiican laakiin maxaa xaqa iyo baadhilka lagu kala saraa?.

Ina Da'ud

>CIISE MIRE HISRI
>

Abdidhoof

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Ahmiyaddaydu ma ahayn inaan la shir imaado "oral sex", ahmiyaddaydu waxay ahayd
aqoon raadis, iyo in nala kala saaro aniga iyo xaaskayga arrin aan isku
qabsannay oo aan sharad ku kala dhigannay, sharadkaas oo aan anigu ku
guuleystey (casho ayey ii kexeyneysaa week-endka).

Maya, xaaskeygu waa Soomaali 100% weliba aad iyo aad u qurux badan aqli iyo
aqoonna ku sii darsatay, diinteeda iyo dadkeedana jecel.

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> >WAXAA LA WARIYEY IN AYAAD QURAANKA KA MID AH AY TIRI
> >QAATA QOWL WANAAGSAN KANA TAGA KUWA XUN.
>
> Waa ayaaddee? Yaase weriyaya?.
>

WAYDII IMAANKA MASJIDKA AAD KU TUKADID MEESHA AY
AYADAAS KU TAAL HADDII AADAN AQOON.
NABIGA AYAA WERIYAY AYADAAS IYO AAYADO KALE.
QURAANKA ISGA OO LOOX KU QORAN CIRKA KA MA SOO
DHICIN EE NABIGA AYAA LAGA SOO WARIYEY(WAXAAD
IMAANKA MASAAJIDKA AAD AADO WAYDIISAA IN AY RUN
TAHAY IN QURAANKA LAGA SOO WARIYAY NABIGA IYO IN
KALE)

> > EVERYTHING CAN
> >NOT BE QOWL AXSAN AH....ONLY THE AAYAADKA QURAANKA AH AYAA
> >QOWL SAXA AH.
>
> Sunnada sax ah ee Bukhari iyo Muslim iwm qowlka wanaagsan miyaysan ku jidhin?.
>

YOU CAN 100% SAY EVERYTHING IN ALBUKHAARI IYO MUSLIM
BOOKS AY RUN YIHIIN(ONLY ALLAH KNOWS THAT) BUT YOU CAN
SAY THAT EVERYTHING OO QURAANKA AH WAA RUN(QOWL DACIIFNA
AH KUMA JIRI KARO QURAANKA).

> > MOWQIFKA BINI'AADAM KA WAXAA KA DOORBID FIICAN
> >AAYAADKA ILAAHAY.
>
> Sunnada rasuulka mowqifka bina'aadamka miyay ka mid tahay?!
>

SUNNADAHA NABIGA LAGA SOO WARIYEY QAARKOOD WAA MOWQIFYO
BINA'AADAM AH OO QALDAMIKARA LAAKIIN QURAANKA MOWQIF KA
FIICAN MA JIRO. YOU CAN NOT COMPARE THE SUNNADA RASUULKA
IYO QOWLKA QURAANKA ILAAH EVEN IF SUNNOOYINKA RASUULKA
AYSAN DACIIF AHAYN.

> > AHLU SUNNAH IYO AHLU SHIICA INTA AY ISKU
> >RAACSAN YIHIIN BAA BADAN,
>
> Maxaa caddayn kara oo ay ka midaysan yihiin?
>

IF I WERE TO LIST MEESHAAN THE THINGS WHICH
AHLU SUNNAH IYO AHLU SHIICA AY ISKU RAACSAN YIHIIN,
I WOULD GET TIRED. BUT AHLU SUNNADA LAFTIGOODA ISKUMA
RAACSANA WAXYAALO BADAN.

> > SO IT IS OKAY IN LA QAATO QOWLUL
> >XAG AND IT IS OKAY IN LAGA TAGO QOWLUL BILAA-XAQ...ALLAAHU'CAALIM.
>
> Waa hadal fiican laakiin maxaa xaqa iyo baadhilka lagu kala saraa?.
>

> Ina Da'ud
>

QOFWALBA QUMANIHIISAA QOORTA UGA JIRO. XAQ IS CLEAR AND BAADHILKNA IS CLEAR
AND THE REST IS ALL SHE WROTE....THAT IS WHY WE HAVE ALL THESE AHLU-AHMADIYA,
AHLU-SHIICA, AHLU-SUNNAH, AHLU-QAADIRIYA, AND WITH IN ALL THISE
AHLUS-MUSLIMIIN IN THEIR OWN GROUPS, THERE ARE SUB-GROUPS ALL CLAIMING
HADALKOODA AYAA XAQ AH. THE POINT IS THAT...YOU CAN NOT SAY EVERYTHING THESE
GROUPS AND THEIR SUB-GROUPS IS WRONG....TAKE XAQA WIXII AND LEAVE WIXII
BAADIL AH.......ALLAAHU'CAALIM.

CIISE MIRE HISRI

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> Ahahahahaha !!!! now thats realy funny, but Isse, don't you think thats a bit
> too hard a name for such a tender act as sex ?
>

IT IS GOOD THAT YOU THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY....


THROUGH OUT THE AGES, SEX IS BEING USED
AS A TOOL TO KILL AND HUMILATE THE ENEMIES.
AS WE SPEAK, THE SERBS CHRISTIANS ARE RAPING
AND IMPREGNATING MUSLIM YOUNG GIRLS OF KOSAVO.
IN BOSNIA, THE CHRISTIANS DID THE SAME THINGS.
IN SOMALIA, THE HAWIYE MEN DID THE SAME THING TO
DAROOD WOMEN. ALSO, SAAQ WOMEN WERE USED AS SEX
SLAVES WHEN THEY SERVED QAAD TO DAROOD MEN(GUULWADEYAALKII AFWAYNE).
CLINTON ALSO USED A 22 YEAR OLD INTERM AT THE WHITE HOUSE
FOR HIS PLEASURE AFFRAIR. ONE TIME, IT IS REPORTED THAT
WHILE TALKING ON THE PHONE CONDUCTING DOMESTIC
AND FOREING AFFAIRS, HE LET THE WHITE HOUSE INTERM
KNEEL DOWN AND PERFORM BLOW JOB ON HIM AND REPUBLICANS
TRIED TO GET GET RID OF HIM FOR THAT REASON. SO SEX CAN BE
TENDER ACT BUT IT CAN ALSO BE ROUGH ACT TOO.

> Thanks you for the hillariously informative article, it really made us laugh
> half the night long.

I TAKE IT THAT YOUR QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED TOO AND YOU WON
YOUR BET AGAINST YOUR WIFE.

> Yessir, we should all refrain from having sex in acrobatic positions ;)
>

IT IS ALSO ADVICED THAT YOU STAY WAY SEX WHILE
STANDING, LESS YOU AND YOUR WIFE MAY FALL AND YOU
MAY NOT BE ABLE TO KILL GAALO BADAN IN THAT POSITION. LOL

Fos Sykora

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>Salaama Celeykum Dhamaantiin.
>
>Waxaan Layaabay qoraalkii uu sooqoray AbdiDhoof oo Xushmad daro darteed
>Xaaskiisa wuxuu kala sheekeystay (Public) ka sheegaya, taasaa ugu filan
>Doqonimo iyo afxumo.Waxaanse la siiyaabay Markuu Su,aal Qabo, Horta adigu
>Islam xagee kajoogtaa.Waxaan dadka halkan wax ku sooqora u soo jeedin lahaa
>ineyna dheg u dhigin wuxuu qorayo Mujrimkaasi, Waxaan ku soo gabagebeynayaa
>hadalkaga Xadiis Nebigu Salalaahu Caleyhi Wasalam ku yiri(Hadaadan Xishooneyn
>samee waxaad rabtid)
>
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Walaal Nuur waxaan kugu raacsanahay in Erayadii Abdi-Dhoof laga
fiicnaa miyeysan ka fiicneyn in aad Su,aalihiisa si saxa ugu jawaabtid
hadii aad taqaanid.

Mahadsanid


fos

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Ciise waxaan kaa codsanayaa inaad wax is weydiintu noqoto mid wanaag ku dhisan
oo ruuxa waxaa uu garanayo yidhaa gartay waakana daliilkayga. Haddii kale warka
ayaa ambanaya oo qabanaya meela fog oo laga fiican yahay.


>ci...@my-dejanews.com< writes:

>
>> >WAXAA LA WARIYEY IN AYAAD QURAANKA KA MID AH AY TIRI
>> >QAATA QOWL WANAAGSAN KANA TAGA KUWA XUN.
>>
>> Waa ayaaddee? Yaase weriyaya?.
>>
>
>WAYDII IMAANKA MASJIDKA AAD KU TUKADID MEESHA AY
>AYADAAS KU TAAL HADDII AADAN AQOON.


Waxaan kaa sugayay inaad sheegto Numberka iyo suuradda ayaadda adiga oo aanan
ii dirin Imaamka Masjidka. Fadlan waxaad noo sheegtaa numberka iyo suuradda
illeen adiga ayaa sheegay ayaadda quraanka aad ku sheegtay.

>NABIGA AYAA WERIYAY AYADAAS IYO AAYADO KALE.


>QURAANKA ISGA OO LOOX KU QORAN CIRKA KA MA SOO
>DHICIN EE NABIGA AYAA LAGA SOO WARIYEY(WAXAAD
>IMAANKA MASAAJIDKA AAD AADO WAYDIISAA IN AY RUN
>TAHAY IN QURAANKA LAGA SOO WARIYAY NABIGA IYO IN
>KALE)


Su'ashaydu ma'aha quraanka ma nabigaa la loo waxyooday iyo habka loogu soo
dejiyay. Su'aasha adiga oo aanan cadhoon waxaa weeye aayadda aad sheegtay inay
quraanka ku taallo inaad sheegto suuraddeeda iyo numberkeeda. That is not too
much to ask.


>> > EVERYTHING CAN
>> >NOT BE QOWL AXSAN AH....ONLY THE AAYAADKA QURAANKA AH AYAA
>> >QOWL SAXA AH.
>>
>> Sunnada sax ah ee Bukhari iyo Muslim iwm qowlka wanaagsan miyaysan ku
>jidhin?.
>>
>
>YOU CAN 100% SAY EVERYTHING IN ALBUKHAARI IYO MUSLIM
>BOOKS AY RUN YIHIIN(ONLY ALLAH KNOWS THAT) BUT YOU CAN
>SAY THAT EVERYTHING OO QURAANKA AH WAA RUN(QOWL DACIIFNA
>AH KUMA JIRI KARO QURAANKA).


Weli kama aadan jawaabin su'aashaydii. Haddii aan si kale u idhaahdo fadlan
caddee in sunnada saxda ee bukhari iyo muslim iyo wixii soo raaca ay qowlka
xaqa ku jidhaan.

>> > MOWQIFKA BINI'AADAM KA WAXAA KA DOORBID FIICAN
>> >AAYAADKA ILAAHAY.
>>
>> Sunnada rasuulka mowqifka bina'aadamka miyay ka mid tahay?!
>>
>
>SUNNADAHA NABIGA LAGA SOO WARIYEY QAARKOOD WAA MOWQIFYO
>BINA'AADAM AH OO QALDAMIKARA

Kuwee mowqif bin'aadam ah kuwee se aanan ahayn?. Maxaa lagu kala saarayaa?. Ma
caqliga Sheekha iyo Mise Caqliga bulshada? Ma mad-habka Shiicada ma kan
sunnada?. Fadlan nooga jawaab su'aashan!.


>LAAKIIN QURAANKA MOWQIF KA
>FIICAN MA JIRO. YOU CAN NOT COMPARE THE SUNNADA RASUULKA
>IYO QOWLKA QURAANKA ILAAH EVEN IF SUNNOOYINKA RASUULKA
>AYSAN DACIIF AHAYN.

Cid is garab dhigtay malaha. Su'aasha caddayn u baahan waxaa weeye sida la isu
qaban siinayo Quraanka iyo sunnada?. Fadlan taasina noo caddee. Ma quraanka
qudha ayaannu qaadanna mise sunnadana waynu ku ladhnaa?

>> > AHLU SUNNAH IYO AHLU SHIICA INTA AY ISKU
>> >RAACSAN YIHIIN BAA BADAN,
>>
>> Maxaa caddayn kara oo ay ka midaysan yihiin?
>>
>
>IF I WERE TO LIST MEESHAAN THE THINGS WHICH
>AHLU SUNNAH IYO AHLU SHIICA AY ISKU RAACSAN YIHIIN,
>I WOULD GET TIRED.


Ku daalin maaye noo sheeg usuusha keliya ee ay isaga mid yihiin. Hanaga daalin
fadlan.

> BUT AHLU SUNNADA LAFTIGOODA ISKUMA
>RAACSANA WAXYAALO BADAN.


Su'aasha ma'ahan fariqaga u dhaxeeyo ahlu sunnaha gudahooda. Fadlan su'aalihii
hore nooga jawaab Please.

>> > SO IT IS OKAY IN LA QAATO QOWLUL
>> >XAG AND IT IS OKAY IN LAGA TAGO QOWLUL BILAA-XAQ...ALLAAHU'CAALIM.
>>
>> Waa hadal fiican laakiin maxaa xaqa iyo baadhilka lagu kala saraa?.
>>
>
>> Ina Da'ud
>>
>
>QOFWALBA QUMANIHIISAA QOORTA UGA JIRO. XAQ IS CLEAR AND BAADHILKNA IS CLEAR
>AND THE REST IS ALL SHE WROTE....THAT IS WHY WE HAVE ALL THESE AHLU-AHMADIYA,
>AHLU-SHIICA, AHLU-SUNNAH, AHLU-QAADIRIYA, AND WITH IN ALL THISE
>AHLUS-MUSLIMIIN IN THEIR OWN GROUPS, THERE ARE SUB-GROUPS ALL CLAIMING
>HADALKOODA AYAA XAQ AH. THE POINT IS THAT...YOU CAN NOT SAY EVERYTHING THESE
>GROUPS AND THEIR SUB-GROUPS IS WRONG....TAKE XAQA WIXII AND LEAVE WIXII
>BAADIL AH.......ALLAAHU'CAALIM.


Ciise weli kama aadan jawaabin su'aashaydii ahayd maxaa caddaynayaa in xaqa
yahay clear. Waxaan kaa filayay inaad tidhaado:

1.Mowqifka ahlu shiicada
2. Mowqifka Ahlu sunnaha ee wafaqsan kitaabka iyo sunnada saxda ah
3. Mowqifka kooxaha kale ee baadidooda (gaalnimadoodu) ahlu sunnaha heshiis ku
yihiin.
4. Mowqifka kuwa caqliga keliya ku dooda.

Midna maadan odhan oo wixii oo dhan jacbur baad ka dhigtay sidee wax kaa
yihiin?.

ci...@my-dejanews.com

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da...@aol.com (Daud7) wrote:
> Ciise waxaan kaa codsanayaa inaad wax is weydiintu noqoto mid wanaag ku dhisan
> oo ruuxa waxaa uu garanayo yidhaa gartay waakana daliilkayga. Haddii kale
warka
> ayaa ambanaya oo qabanaya meela fog oo laga fiican yahay.
>

OKAY.

> >ci...@my-dejanews.com< writes:
>
> >
> >> >WAXAA LA WARIYEY IN AYAAD QURAANKA KA MID AH AY TIRI
> >> >QAATA QOWL WANAAGSAN KANA TAGA KUWA XUN.
> >>
> >> Waa ayaaddee? Yaase weriyaya?.
> >>
> >
> >WAYDII IMAANKA MASJIDKA AAD KU TUKADID MEESHA AY
> >AYADAAS KU TAAL HADDII AADAN AQOON.
>
> Waxaan kaa sugayay inaad sheegto Numberka iyo suuradda ayaadda adiga oo aanan
> ii dirin Imaamka Masjidka. Fadlan waxaad noo sheegtaa numberka iyo suuradda
> illeen adiga ayaa sheegay ayaadda quraanka aad ku sheegtay.
>

WAA YAHAY IMAAMKA MASJIDKA WAAN KAA DAAYEY EE
SUURADDA WAXAA LA YIRAAHDAA ZUMUR AAYADA 17 NAAD.

(ALADIINA YASTMICUUNA'L QOWLA FA'YATABICUUNA AXSANA)


> >NABIGA AYAA WERIYAY AYADAAS IYO AAYADO KALE.
>
> >QURAANKA ISGA OO LOOX KU QORAN CIRKA KA MA SOO
> >DHICIN EE NABIGA AYAA LAGA SOO WARIYEY(WAXAAD
> >IMAANKA MASAAJIDKA AAD AADO WAYDIISAA IN AY RUN
> >TAHAY IN QURAANKA LAGA SOO WARIYAY NABIGA IYO IN
> >KALE)
>
> Su'ashaydu ma'aha quraanka ma nabigaa la loo waxyooday iyo habka loogu soo
> dejiyay. Su'aasha adiga oo aanan cadhoon waxaa weeye aayadda aad sheegtay inay
> quraanka ku taallo inaad sheegto suuraddeeda iyo numberkeeda. That is not too
> much to ask.
>
> >> > EVERYTHING CAN
> >> >NOT BE QOWL AXSAN AH....ONLY THE AAYAADKA QURAANKA AH AYAA
> >> >QOWL SAXA AH.
> >>
> >> Sunnada sax ah ee Bukhari iyo Muslim iwm qowlka wanaagsan miyaysan ku
> >jidhin?.
> >>
> >

> >YOU CAN NOT 100% SAY EVERYTHING IN ALBUKHAARI IYO MUSLIM


> >BOOKS AY RUN YIHIIN(ONLY ALLAH KNOWS THAT) BUT YOU CAN
> >SAY THAT EVERYTHING OO QURAANKA AH WAA RUN(QOWL DACIIFNA
> >AH KUMA JIRI KARO QURAANKA).
>
> Weli kama aadan jawaabin su'aashaydii. Haddii aan si kale u idhaahdo fadlan
> caddee in sunnada saxda ee bukhari iyo muslim iyo wixii soo raaca ay qowlka
> xaqa ku jidhaan.
>

SUNNADA SAXADA EE BUKHAARI IYO MULSIM IYO WIXII SOO RAACO OO
QOWL FIICAN AH WAA XAQ IN LA RAACDO.

> >> > MOWQIFKA BINI'AADAM KA WAXAA KA DOORBID FIICAN
> >> >AAYAADKA ILAAHAY.
> >>
> >> Sunnada rasuulka mowqifka bina'aadamka miyay ka mid tahay?!
> >>
> >
> >SUNNADAHA NABIGA LAGA SOO WARIYEY QAARKOOD WAA MOWQIFYO
> >BINA'AADAM AH OO QALDAMIKARA
>
> Kuwee mowqif bin'aadam ah kuwee se aanan ahayn?. Maxaa lagu kala saarayaa?.
Ma
> caqliga Sheekha iyo Mise Caqliga bulshada? Ma mad-habka Shiicada ma kan
> sunnada?. Fadlan nooga jawaab su'aashan!.


WAXYAALO BADAN OO LAGA SOO WARIYEY NABIGA OO AAN SAX AHAYN
WAA BADAN YIHIIN. GUDITAANKA GABDHAHA HOOSTOODA OO KALE.


>
> >LAAKIIN QURAANKA MOWQIF KA
> >FIICAN MA JIRO. YOU CAN NOT COMPARE THE SUNNADA RASUULKA
> >IYO QOWLKA QURAANKA ILAAH EVEN IF SUNNOOYINKA RASUULKA
> >AYSAN DACIIF AHAYN.
>
> Cid is garab dhigtay malaha. Su'aasha caddayn u baahan waxaa weeye sida la
isu
> qaban siinayo Quraanka iyo sunnada?. Fadlan taasina noo caddee. Ma quraanka
> qudha ayaannu qaadanna mise sunnadana waynu ku ladhnaa?
>

QAADO QURAANKA IYO SUNNADA IYO WIXII FIICAN OO DHAN.

> >> > AHLU SUNNAH IYO AHLU SHIICA INTA AY ISKU
> >> >RAACSAN YIHIIN BAA BADAN,
> >>
> >> Maxaa caddayn kara oo ay ka midaysan yihiin?
> >>
> >
> >IF I WERE TO LIST MEESHAAN THE THINGS WHICH
> >AHLU SUNNAH IYO AHLU SHIICA AY ISKU RAACSAN YIHIIN,
> >I WOULD GET TIRED.
>
> Ku daalin maaye noo sheeg usuusha keliya ee ay isaga mid yihiin. Hanaga daalin
> fadlan.
>

WAX LA TIRIN KAROO MA AHA.

> > BUT AHLU SUNNADA LAFTIGOODA ISKUMA
> >RAACSANA WAXYAALO BADAN.
>
> Su'aasha ma'ahan fariqaga u dhaxeeyo ahlu sunnaha gudahooda. Fadlan su'aalihii
> hore nooga jawaab Please.
>

FARIQAGA U DHAXEEYO CID WALBA OO MUSLIM AH AMA
AHLU SUNNADA AMA AHLU SHIICO WAA JIRAAN.


> >> > SO IT IS OKAY IN LA QAATO QOWLUL
> >> >XAG AND IT IS OKAY IN LAGA TAGO QOWLUL BILAA-XAQ...ALLAAHU'CAALIM.
> >>
> >> Waa hadal fiican laakiin maxaa xaqa iyo baadhilka lagu kala saraa?.
> >>
> >
> >> Ina Da'ud
> >>
> >
> >QOFWALBA QUMANIHIISAA QOORTA UGA JIRO. XAQ IS CLEAR AND BAADHILKNA IS CLEAR
> >AND THE REST IS ALL SHE WROTE....THAT IS WHY WE HAVE ALL THESE AHLU-AHMADIYA,
> >AHLU-SHIICA, AHLU-SUNNAH, AHLU-QAADIRIYA, AND WITH IN ALL THISE
> >AHLUS-MUSLIMIIN IN THEIR OWN GROUPS, THERE ARE SUB-GROUPS ALL CLAIMING
> >HADALKOODA AYAA XAQ AH. THE POINT IS THAT...YOU CAN NOT SAY EVERYTHING THESE
> >GROUPS AND THEIR SUB-GROUPS IS WRONG....TAKE XAQA WIXII AND LEAVE WIXII
> >BAADIL AH.......ALLAAHU'CAALIM.
>
> Ciise weli kama aadan jawaabin su'aashaydii ahayd maxaa caddaynayaa in xaqa
> yahay clear. Waxaan kaa filayay inaad tidhaado:
>

> 1.Mowqifka ahlu shiicada
> 2. Mowqifka Ahlu sunnaha ee wafaqsan kitaabka iyo sunnada saxda ah
> 3. Mowqifka kooxaha kale ee baadidooda (gaalnimadoodu) ahlu sunnaha heshiis ku
> yihiin.
> 4. Mowqifka kuwa caqliga keliya ku dooda.
>
> Midna maadan odhan oo wixii oo dhan jacbur baad ka dhigtay sidee wax kaa
> yihiin?.
>
> Ina Da'ud
>


QURAANKA IYO SUNNADA NABIGA AYAA CADDAYNAYA IN AY XAQ CLEAR
YIHIIN.

(ALADIINA YASTMICUUNA'L QOWLA FA'YATABICUUNA AXSANA)ZUMUR_17.

CIISE MIRE HISRI

Ahme399332

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I have been lurking around this NG for a quite some time, but because of this
brave and unusual thread about sex and Islam, have now decided to ask a
question I have been shying away for a long time.

The question I am about to ask is about a personal problem that I have.

I am a 30 years old somali, I consider myself an average Muslim and do pray the
required five times a day.
But I have a problem, I smoke merijuana moderately, mostly weekends and
holidays.
I am a fairly educated guy and consider myself a middle class, whatever this
may be.

My Somali friends smoke cigarettes, and they carry packs of sigarettes in their
pockets, but with pot I can't do that, because the police will harass me.
The point I am trying to make is that I am not as addicted to pot as my
friends are to cigarettes, I don't smoke cigarettes, I hate tobacco !

I am not sure about it, but it looks like Islam does not forbid the smoking of
Tobacco absolutely, so I am trying to assume that smoking pot is also not
forbidden.

Any idea, please ?

Abdiwali M Ahmed

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Any Somali wadaad who takes a shot at this one without resorting to
the normal rhetoric of infidelity and atheism and comes up with an
educated Islamic "guess", will probably gain respect from those follow
cavers who are, without emotion, willing to receive any well-thought
argument that broads their intellectual horizon. The tendency of some
wadaad cavers to discount anyone who asks questions that do not suit
their taste to mere infidel - that tendency is unproductive and is not a
shortcut to paradise and to Allah's appeasement.

There is no known Islamic tool to assess one's intentions as long as
that one verbally avers his/her Islamness. One good example was
Abdidhoof's inquiry into the Islamic stand of some sexual acts between
him and his legally married wife. There was no single Somali wadaad from
the old cavers that has given him an Islamic sharia law that would prohibit
him or allow him to engage into such acts. Because of their homophobic
mentality, they see sex (for Abdidhoof: ereybixin: sex=jinsi, haddii
afkaagu ka xishoonaya wasmo, waxa aad dhihi kartaa: iskutaga jinsiyeed ee
dhediga iyo labka) as something that is totally horrible and engulfed by
shame and mortification. We think sex is endowment from the creator and
when properly used it is the mother of all pleasures and self-indulgence.

To release our arrows in one shot, the new caver, that goes by the name
mohamed ali and who is questioning the existing of his creator and the
legitimacy of the prophet, doesn't need intellectual incarceration and
fearmongering. If some of you adopt Burhan's psychological approach
of alienating any young Somali who expresses doubts about Allah, you
are forgetting that there are thousands of them who are roaming
in the infidels' lands and who are being brought up in a culture where
nothing is taken at face value. Sooner or later he, mohamed ali, will meet
his flocks. Therefore if you are self-appointed guardian of Islamic faith,
you have to see this as a delicate problem that needs special attention
and reasoning not insults and crucifixion.


Ardaaga QabiilDiid......

> Any idea, please ?
>
>


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|Maaweello dhaqan++++Muslimoo ku hadli++++Afkeygaa macaan|
|Magacaa qabiil++++++Iska maydhayoo+++MABDA'WEYN KU SOCON|
| QabiilDiid: July'96 |

ci...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <19990405121453...@ng-fa1.aol.com>,

ahme3...@aol.com (Ahme399332) wrote:
> I have been lurking around this NG for a quite some time, but because of this
> brave and unusual thread about sex and Islam, have now decided to ask a
> question I have been shying away for a long time.
>
> The question I am about to ask is about a personal problem that I have.
>
> I am a 30 years old somali, I consider myself an average Muslim and do pray
the
> required five times a day.
> But I have a problem, I smoke merijuana moderately, mostly weekends and
> holidays.
> I am a fairly educated guy and consider myself a middle class, whatever this
> may be.
>
> My Somali friends smoke cigarettes, and they carry packs of sigarettes in
their
> pockets, but with pot I can't do that, because the police will harass me.
> The point I am trying to make is that I am not as addicted to pot as my
> friends are to cigarettes, I don't smoke cigarettes, I hate tobacco !
>
> I am not sure about it, but it looks like Islam does not forbid the smoking of
> Tobacco absolutely, so I am trying to assume that smoking pot is also not
> forbidden.
>
> Any idea, please ?


In article <19990405121453...@ng-fa1.aol.com>,


ahme3...@aol.com (Ahme399332) wrote:
> I have been lurking around this NG for a quite some time, but because of this
> brave and unusual thread about sex and Islam, have now decided to ask a
> question I have been shying away for a long time.
>
> The question I am about to ask is about a personal problem that I have.
>
> I am a 30 years old somali, I consider myself an average Muslim and do pray
the
> required five times a day.
> But I have a problem, I smoke merijuana moderately, mostly weekends and
> holidays.
> I am a fairly educated guy and consider myself a middle class, whatever this
> may be.
>
> My Somali friends smoke cigarettes, and they carry packs of sigarettes in
their
> pockets, but with pot I can't do that, because the police will harass me.
> The point I am trying to make is that I am not as addicted to pot as my
> friends are to cigarettes, I don't smoke cigarettes, I hate tobacco !
>
> I am not sure about it, but it looks like Islam does not forbid the smoking of
> Tobacco absolutely, so I am trying to assume that smoking pot is also not
> forbidden.
>

> Any idea, please ?


IT IS AMAZING HOW A MUSLIM PERSON COULD DOUBT A DOPE(MERIJUANA)
BEING FORBIDDEN IN ISLAM.! THE RELIGION OF ISLAM FORBIDS ANY KINDS
OF DRUG(QAAN OR JAAD TO XASHIISH). EVEN IF YOU DON'T THINK YOU
ARE AN ADDICT TO MERIJUANA, IT CAN OPEN THE DOORS TO ADDICTION.
MERIJUANA IS LIKE ALCOHOL AND IT ALLOWS A PERSON TO LOSE HIS MIND
AND GO CRAZY, DOING ALL KINDS OF FOOLISH THINGS WITHOUT ANY AWARENESS
OF DESTROYING HIS BADY. MOST PEOPLE WHO USE DRUG OR DRINK
ALCOHOL START USING DRUGS OR DRINKING ALCOHOL MODERATELY, BUT
THEN END UP BECOMING JUNKIES. THIS POISON OF DRUG LIKE JAAD
OR QAAD DESTROYES FAMILIES, LIVES, MINDS, HONOUR, WEALTH AND
EVEN RELIGION.
I DRIVE A TAXI FOR LIVING AND I SEE EVERY DAY YOUNG GIRLS,
AS YOUNG AS 15 WHO ARE SELLING THEIR BODIES FOR A POT.
I ALSO SEE MANY WHITES GOING TO THE HOODS ON THE WEEKEND
NIGHTS IN ORDER TO BUY MERIJUANA SINCE THEY CAN NOT FIND
IT IN THEIR AREA.

CIISE MIRE HIRSI

Ahme399332

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Ciise wrote:
>IT IS AMAZING HOW A MUSLIM PERSON COULD DOUBT A DOPE(MERIJUANA)
>BEING FORBIDDEN IN ISLAM.! THE RELIGION OF ISLAM FORBIDS ANY KINDS
>OF DRUG(QAAN OR JAAD TO XASHIISH). EVEN IF YOU DON'T THINK YOU
>ARE AN ADDICT TO MERIJUANA, IT CAN OPEN THE DOORS TO ADDICTION.
>MERIJUANA IS LIKE ALCOHOL AND IT ALLOWS A PERSON TO LOSE HIS MIND
>AND GO CRAZY, DOING ALL KINDS OF FOOLISH THINGS WITHOUT ANY AWARENESS
>OF DESTROYING HIS BADY. MOST PEOPLE WHO USE DRUG OR DRINK
>ALCOHOL START USING DRUGS OR DRINKING ALCOHOL MODERATELY, BUT
>THEN END UP BECOMING JUNKIES. THIS POISON OF DRUG LIKE JAAD
>OR QAAD DESTROYES FAMILIES, LIVES, MINDS, HONOUR, WEALTH AND
>EVEN RELIGION.
>I DRIVE A TAXI FOR LIVING AND I SEE EVERY DAY YOUNG GIRLS,
>AS YOUNG AS 15 WHO ARE SELLING THEIR BODIES FOR A POT.
>I ALSO SEE MANY WHITES GOING TO THE HOODS ON THE WEEKEND
>NIGHTS IN ORDER TO BUY MERIJUANA SINCE THEY CAN NOT FIND
>IT IN THEIR AREA.
>
>CIISE MIRE HIRSI

I have been smoking merujuana for over 10 years, yet I don't feel like being
addicted to it and it certainly does not make me go crazy or loose my mind or
bite off somebody's ear.
To the contrary, weed actually clears my mind, calms me down, helps me focus
and even makes me work hard at tasks on hand.

Pot is not a very expensive drug, so I doubt that women sell their bodies for
it, like you don't see Somali women selling their bodies for Qat, equally other
women don't need to sell sex for weed.

Virtually in all Muslim countries, tobacco is a legal drug, and is being smoked
all over, sometimes even with an aura of glamour attached to it.
And in Afghanistaan, the Talibiin are even growing oppium as a cash crop.

Its because of these public contradiction that I have allowed myself to ask
about the position of Islam on Merijuana and tobacco.


ci...@my-dejanews.com

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> In article <19990405121453...@ng-fa1.aol.com>,
>ahme3...@aol.com (Ahme399332) wrote:

>I have been smoking merujuana for over 10 years, yet I don't feel like being
>addicted to it and it certainly does not make me go crazy or loose my mind or
>bite off somebody's ear.
>To the contrary, weed actually clears my mind, calms me down, helps me focus
>and even makes me work hard at tasks on hand.
>
>Pot is not a very expensive drug, so I doubt that women sell their bodies for
>it, like you don't see Somali women selling their bodies for Qat, equally other
>women don't need to sell sex for weed.
>
>Virtually in all Muslim countries, tobacco is a legal drug, and is being smoked
>all over, sometimes even with an aura of glamour attached to it.
>And in Afghanistaan, the Talibiin are even growing oppium as a cash crop.
>
>Its because of these public contradiction that I have allowed myself to ask
>about the position of Islam on Merijuana and tobacco.

http://www.bible.ca/s-marijuana.htm

We live in a drug using society. Many people have turned to chemicals as a
way of life. They may have started out of curiosity or experimentation or
escapement but after a period of time they find themselves enjoying the
experience. The drug is making them feel the way they want to feel! Now,
they're trapped!

There's no use trying to "con" anyone. Drugs do make people feel good and
provide a means of escape. However, that good feeling and escapement is only
temporary. It doesn't last. No matter how high we get, when it is over we
still must come down to the real life with its real problems. Running from a
problem never solved it. We may prolong it or make it worse, it won't go
away.

I'm not just talking off the top of my head. I've been associated with too
many people who have been in the drug scene. I've dealt with these problems
first hand. You may have reached that lonely time in your life when you feel
empty, useless, unloved, unwanted and unnecessary. So, what are you going to
do about it? Bury your head in the sand and hope the feeling will disappear,
try an artificial filler such as drugs, or stand on your own two feet and
deal with things realistically.

Everyone gets that vacant feeling at some time in his or her life. You are
not the only one to go through this. The only difference is that some people
know where to turn for help. They manage without that artificial filler
provided by drugs, You must learn that solutions to any of life's problems do
not come from the "far-out" world of chemicals. The answer can come through a
four letter word that isn't spelled D-R-U-G , but is spelled L-O-V-E. It is
through God's love that people like yourself have come to grips with their
problems. They've learned that it's the "greatest thing in the world to be a
Christian", because in Jesus you and I can find the love, care, concern and
understanding necessary to fulfill our human needs.

The Bible itself is the most valuable source of help in facing the problem of
drugs in our lives. It really can be a good life if we
want it to be despite all the problems it presents. 2 Peter 1:3 tells us that
God hath given us "all things that pertain unto life and
godliness".

Look at the potential physical and psychological danger that drugs present to
the abuser. The physically addicting drugs deteriorate the body and overdose
can result in respiratory failure and death. Psychologically, drugs can cause
us to lose all sense of control. We switch our entire dependence and reason
for living to the chemical. The Bible teaches in I Corinthians 6:19-20 that
God has given us our bodies; our bodies belong to Him. We are also told in
Romans 12:1 that we are to present our bodies a living sacrifice to God". Can
we do this and be drug dependent?

Let's put the blame where it really belongs. What we-are actually talking
about is a PEOPLE problem, not a drug problem. People make the drug problem
what it is by letting the drug gain control of their lives, thus, they lose
control and are unable to face reality with these artificial fillers to
bridge the gap.

In my years of working with drug dependents and alcoholics, I have developed
a set of guidelines which I stress to each one and which I try to live by
myself. I know that these things can help if you will use them in your life
as you face the temptation to use drugs or misuse your life in any way.

1.Think Positive: Life is not dull. Everything that is fun is not a no no.
You can enjoy life and feel good about it by using the Word of God as your
guideline. A negative attitude can destroy you, but tell yourself you can do
whatever you set your mind to, including being drug free. If you are not
sure of yourself, you are in trouble. 2.Fill Your Life With Joy: Don't go
around with your chin dragging the ground. Hold your head up with enthusiasm.
Don't let life drag you down. 3.Get Involved: You get out of anything
exactly what you put into it. If you are not willing to sacrifice, don't
expect life to be a rose garden. That's why religion is dull to some people,
they don't put anything in it. 4.Discipline Yourself: Bring your body in
subjection. Control your own life. Don't allow a chemical to rule you. 5.Be
your own person not a reactor to others. 6.Handle everything with prayer.

By applying these guidelines to your life you won't need drugs. If you have
any doubts about the right or wrong of drug abuse, answer these questions
honestly.

1.Are you always asking others opinions about it?
2.Do you feel guilty when you do it?
3.Can you thank God for the privilege of doing it?

It's your life, no one can force you to do anything against your will. Do you
really want to use drugs or do you want the good
life? It's up to you.

A message from a medical doctor:

The message below was written by a medical doctor who is also affiliated with
the College of Medicine with one of our better
known universities.

You hear people say, "Legalize Pot! Marijuana is not an addicting drug. Pot
does not lead to hard drugs." On campuses, from students, from other adults
these statements are heard. But are they true? Does marijuana lead to other
drugs? Can a person enjoy marijuana safely with no fear of escalation to more
harmful drugs? These questions about marijuana cannot be answered without
some insight into the nature of the drug and of the people who use it. It is
not uncommon to hear the following defense of marijuana: that it is not
addicting, that it does not produce the tolerance, the need for increasing
amounts of the drug to produce the same effect, that it is less harmful to
the body than a tobacco cigarette. These statements ignore a very important
subject - the person using the drug. Both these factors - the drug and the
user must be explored to find out if marijuana leads to other drugs.

Is the drug itself harmful? Well, until recently, even scientists knew of
only a few harmful effects of the drug. It produced irritation of the nose,
the eyes and the lungs; it produced a state of intoxication similar, but not
identical with alcohol; people on marijuana lose depth perception and
critical judgement earlier than those using alcohol. Marijuana does not
produce psychological dependence, nor does tolerance develop. Scientists are
quick to state that very little is known about the drug. Recently THC, the
active ingredient in marijuana, has been isolated and this has enabled
scientists to learn more about this drug. The information from many centers
studying marijuana indicates that the drug is not as harmless as was assumed.
At the Texas Research Institute for Mental Sciences at Houston, experiments
have shown that

large doses of THC in laboratory animals have an effect very similar to LSD.
So the apparent difference in danger between these two drugs would therefore
seem to be only the difference in the amount commonly taken. Other
experiments have shown that THC, when given to a pregnant monkey, can be
found in the blood of the unborn baby. That is to say that the placentas,
normally a barrier between the mother and the baby, will not stop the passage
of THC in the blood stream of the offspring.

In addition to the effects of a physical nature, there are increasing reports
of disturbed behavior, mental illness, in people using marijuana. Although
these behavior changes usually follow prolonged use, there are cases on
record of acute psychosis, or insanity, produced by very limited exposure to
marijuana. As more research is done, further harmful effects of this drug may
be discovered.

But what about the other side of the coin, the person who uses marijuana. It
is theoretically possible for a person to smoke marijuana under laboratory
conditions and not be inclined to follow this with other drugs. But this is
not the way that marijuana is used. In an atmosphere of furtive
experimentation, the marijuana is passed from person to person, each
competing with the other for a larger effect, each pressuring the other to
"get higher", each trying to be bolder than the other. Peer group pressure,
the desire for new experiences, the desire to out-perform ones associates -
all these exert the most powerful influences on the user of marijuana to go
on to stronger drugs.

It is also important to consider that possessing and using marijuana is a
crime, in most states a felony. One is, therefore, in violation of the law to
use the drug. It is a known fact that people who are supplying marijuana are
usually suppliers of other drugs: amphetamines, LSD, heroin. So when a person
puts himself into contact with a pusher of marijuana, he is likely
encountering the whole spectrum of drug abuse. Marijuana has been called the
door into the drug sub-culture. Even though psychological dependence does not
develop to marijuana, a very strong psychological dependence on the drug
commonly develops. The nature of this is uncertain, perhaps influenced by
peer group pressure, perhaps an indication of personality instability in the
person who would use marijuana, but it is probably related to the tendency of
some young people to resort to the use of drugs to solve or escape their
problems. Adolescence is a time of turmoil and of personality development in
any child. Since the use of drugs creates problems for the user, the use of
drugs as a problem-solving technique greatly increases the likelihood of
habitual use and of escalation.

Finally, the factor of negative value scales causes many young users of
marijuana to go on up the ladder to other drugs. Many of the young people in
the drug abuse community subscribe to a set of values which places a premium
on self-destruction. It is common to hear a person in the drug scene boast
about almost killing himself with an overdoes of drugs. Others brag about the
physical discomfort they experienced while on a speed trip. When a young
person in using marijuana surrounds himself with people whose value
judgements are warped to this degree, the chances are very great that these
negative values will result in his moving up to heroin, amphetamines, or
other drugs.

Does the use of marijuana lead to the use of other drugs? With the
information available you can't afford to bet your life that it doesn't. We
believe it does. This underscores. the reasons for God's condemnation of
drunkenness, whether it is produced by alcohol or drug abuse. The Bible says
that "they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God"
Galatians 5:19-21. Repentance and correction of life, however, is always
possible if we are willing to turn to God on his terms. (II Peter 3:9,10).

warsame_says......

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Abdidhoof,

Congratulations for coming up with the topic of the year in this NG.
I laughted the whole time when I was reading. No dount you have an
enquiring mind - well done.

What a way to divert thoughts from politics to family matters!!!!!!!!

Warsame

Safia

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Assalamu 'alaikum,

Ahme399332 wrote in message
<19990405121453...@ng-fa1.aol.com>...

<snip>

>I am a 30 years old somali, I consider myself an average >Muslim and do
pray the required five times a day.

That's how it should be.

>But I have a problem, I smoke merijuana moderately, >mostly weekends and
holidays.

Have you ever asked yourself the reason for this? Is it
because this has become a habit, or are there any
reasons for this weekend ritual of yours?:-)

Brother Ahmed, there's always an explanation of why
we do the things we do.
You say your habit has had a beginning. You started
this 10 years ago. Can you ask yourself, honestly, exactly how and when you
began this habit of yours?
Did you have your first joint alone or were you in company with others? If
you can ask yourself these questions, I'm sure you'll begin to understand
this problem of yours.

>The point I am trying to make is that I am not as addicted

>to pot...

If that is the case, wouldn't it be sensible to cut it out
altogether?
Instead of wasting away your precious time on dope, wouldn't it better if
you joined an activity? Went out to play football? Went to the mosque?
Walked to the nearest Muslim community in your neighborhood? Got to know
others? How about starting a family? How about doing voluntary work? The
list of what you can do with your leisure time is endless, brother.

Whatever you do, you need to get out of your complacency about drugs. The
sight of a grown up man curling up with
a joint is not a pleasant sight, brother.
Brother, you need to prick your conscience and say no to your Nafs. You need
to pick up the Qur'an. For it's through the Qur'an only that Allah (SWT)
will talk to you.

You say you pray five times a day, what do you do
when you stand for pray? Don't you talk to Allah?
What's the meaning of prayer if you can't open
the communication line between you and your
Creator? Isn't this what prayer is supposed to do,
to connect to your Lord?

>I am not sure about it, but it looks like Islam does not forbid >smoking of


Tobacco absolutely, so I am trying to assume >that smoking pot is also not
forbidden.

Since cigarette smoking is not mentioned in Qur'an,
it's not permissible for anyone to make it either halal
or haram.

As regards intoxicants (and this would include alcohol and drugs) the
following is what Allah says:

O Ye who believe! intoxicants and gambling
(dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows,
Are an abomination - of Satan's handiwork;
Eschew such (abomimnation),
That ye may prosper." (Q:5:90)

Further on in the next verse (5:91), the reasons of
why this is an abominaiton is further elucidated:

Allah says: "Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and
hatred between you, with intoxicants and
gambling, and hinder you from the
remembrance of Allah, and from prayer:
will you not then understand?"

So as you can see when something is forbidden in Islam
it's not because Allah is being arbitrary. On the contrary,
it's for our own good. When people drink or take drugs
they lose their senses and may do actions which
they may not have done under different circumstances.
This is proven beyond doubt.
Further, when the mind is clouded, one risks to forget
the most important assignment of his life:
the Remembrance of Allah.

However, the good news is that our Lord is a Merciful Lord
and accepts the repentance of those who turn to Him.

I hope this helps, and do forgive me if I had been too hard
on you.

Wassalam

Joseph Babylon

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Ahme399332 wrote:

> I am a 30 years old somali, I consider myself an average Muslim and do pray the
> required five times a day.

> But I have a problem, I smoke merijuana moderately, mostly weekends and
> holidays.

Do you really consider it a problem?

> I am not sure about it, but it looks like Islam does not forbid the smoking of


> Tobacco absolutely, so I am trying to assume that smoking pot is also not
> forbidden.

Brother man, I get the impression that you're quite happy with your vice and that
you're actually looking for Islam's blessings. Weed is not mentioned in the Quran
but from experience, it gets you just as high or higher than alcohol. So in that
sense, it's not good for you. I can't really say much about it's legality in Islam
but I know that it's addictive and does harm your lungs too. But I guess that's not
what you were looking for in terms of ideas. I say: whatever gets you off man. If
you need it to unwind after a hard work week, I suppose it's like a "mardoof" of
Qaad that a wadaad would chew on to read the Quran.

Good luck,

JB


warsame_says......

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Apr 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/13/99
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On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:24:39 -0700, Joseph Babylon <baby...@mdi.ca>
wrote:

>Ahme399332 wrote:
>
>> I am a 30 years old somali, I consider myself an average Muslim and do pray the
>> required five times a day.
>> But I have a problem, I smoke merijuana moderately, mostly weekends and
>> holidays.

Dambi waaye, iska dhaaf - with my little knowlege I can conifirm this.


>
>Do you really consider it a problem?

Big????? and serious one brother


>> I am not sure about it, but it looks like Islam does not forbid the smoking of
>> Tobacco absolutely, so I am trying to assume that smoking pot is also not
>> forbidden.

Wixii maskaxdaada doorinaya oo dhan waa dambi.


>Brother man, I get the impression that you're quite happy with your vice and that
>you're actually looking for Islam's blessings. Weed is not mentioned in the Quran
>but from experience, it gets you just as high or higher than alcohol. So in that
>sense, it's not good for you. I can't really say much about it's legality in Islam
>but I know that it's addictive and does harm your lungs too. But I guess that's not
>what you were looking for in terms of ideas. I say: whatever gets you off man. If
>you need it to unwind after a hard work week, I suppose it's like a "mardoof" of
>Qaad that a wadaad would chew on to read the Quran.

Not to mention that marijuana kills brain cells - I think you will
start to loose memory when you grow older so stop before it is too
late.
Warsame

Warsame Says...

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Test Only - pls ignore....
Warsame<>

Karanle

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warsame waxaad tahay nin wanaaagasan oo runta sheegaya waxad ka
fiicantahay kuwan qaadka cunaya salaadii ilaahaeyna laga waayay waxaan
ku dhihilaha iska cab kama duwana ku sigaarka cabaye INJOY BROTHER
AND HAVE A GOOD TIME YOU THE BEST

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