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Mahad M. Abdi
Mahad M. Abdi <ma...@globalserve.net> wrote in article
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abdul abdi
dear mahad,
during the heydays of the barre military regime, when news was
controlled by ignorant soldiers, the somali service of the bbc
was the most vital source of information to somalis who didn't
care to listen radio mogadishu and radio hargeysa. however,
most somalis who fled their country and now reside in other
countries have access to other forms of media where they get
the latest news from around the word. consequently, the once-
inflated value of that service has been cut down to size. in
fact, its audience is now limited to people who can't read
news in other languages or people who don't have the time to
read news in other languages. i write this as one who once
worked in radio and i am sure i wasted the precious time of
people who waited for the news they could have gotten elsewhere.
cheers,
abdul.
cheers,
abdul.
mohamed
Dear Abdul,
I am afraid I have to disagree with. you.The BBC Somali Somali Service
is not only for those who can't read or can find 'their news in other
ways'. I think it is more than that. It is for those of us who are
interested in the source of the news and programings which are not
available from any where else-interviews, music, drama, litrature etc.
There are about 12 stations around the world broadcasting Somali
language and it is a fact that Somalis are interest in only in BBC. That
alone should say some thing about the service.
Again I have to remine you that radio broadcasting is still the
fastest and cheapest communication around. No other means of mass
communication is comparable to it. I think we need the BBC Somali
service and please don't discourage those who are donating their time
and resources to give FREE service.
Mohamed
faisal hassan
Abdi Abdul wrote, "BBC-Somali Service was most vital source of information
to Somalis who didn't care to listen Radio Mogadishu and Radio Hargaysa."
If, it was yesterday, why not today?
According to you, it was vital because it represented Briton and I.M.
LEWIS's world view. Is it correct?
According to the ordinary Somalis, it does not matter to them, because it
failed to reform itself.
According to I, who runs, a freelance Radio in North America, BBC-Somali
Service failed because it is not an independent Radio from World Report
Gang of the Bush House.
It failed because it doesn't examine issues in great lenght.
it doesn't move beyond translations of world summary and indeed, failed
to reach out the hearts and minds of its listeners.
It failed because it only gives an opportunity or voice to those who are
causing so much pain and misery in Somalia soil. Moreover, it doesn't
investigate hot issues, perspectives, viewpoints, and ask not necessary
questions that matter to the ordinary poeple of Somalia, because they are
not creative enough and independent enough. However, we are asking too
much, for those whose qualifications are no more than elementary, and high
school education.
Also, I wonder what is the interest of Abdi Abdul about Somalis and
Somalia? Why does He care about Somalis and Somalia? Don't you know
that you do not belong to the Somali clans? You see, because your
mother claimed to be one of the Somali tribes, does not mean that you
belong to one and therefore could feel the pain, suffering and sorrow that
they feel in their soil.
Nabad
Faisal Hassan
faisal hassan
Many persons were asking Cabdulaahi Xaaji, why doesn't he reform the whole
BBC-Somali Service? Does Abdullahi Haji possess or have such
powers? He does not! He doesn't run BBC (British Broadcasting
Corporation), some of you, may not like him because of his birth, but in
my opinion, he is doing his best to entertain and inform about Somalis and
Somalia. However, we failed to protest or criticize the leadership of the
BBC-World Service in particular and in general the BBC (in the Bush
House) about their coverage about home and country.
What is the solution? BBC-Somali Service must demand more freedom from
world Service of Mr. Young and his cohorts. Also, It should expand its
correspondences beyond Mogadishu and Hargaysa and target elsewhere of the
country of Somalia, that is, if it wants to attract many listeners and
Somali speakers cross the continent of Africa and beyond. (BBC-Somali
Service, so far it has correspondences in Mogadishu of Mahdi, Of Aydeed,
in Hargaysa of Igal, In Boosaaso), That is, all of Somali correspondences
it got. Imagined young/old men and women of Somalia! Moreover, it has
correspondences in Toronto, In London,(Part time and full
time employees), In Yemen and many other Arab Countries, In former Soveit
Union(Rassia), Europe (Places like Sweden, Holland, etc)-One asks, where
it lies her priorities? Is it Somali speakers in Africa or elsewhere? I
think, it ought to asnwer that... Don't you think?
Nabad
Faisal Hassan
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On 6 May 1998, Hawdbari wrote:
> Dear Abdul
>
> I could not agree with you more and i think you nail the point, however this
> guy "Mahad" does not know that there are many Somalis who don't trust Abdullahi
> Xaji and his bias interpreting of the delicate Somali news from the different
> rivals. He is or has been that way for a long time. but if we can get the news
> from many other sources why should we depend on BBC?
>
> Nabad iyo Caano
>
>
Hawdbari
Hawdbari
I wonder were this guy "Fiasal" get the idea that we hate Abdullahi Xaji
because of his birth place, that is untrue and shines who you really are inside
of you. You wouldn't say that if its not your natural way. However, its
useless to argue that Abdullahi Xaji has no power for the day to day decission
making of the BBC Somali Service becuase we all know that he does.
bye the way you said BBC rep. in Mogadishu is for Aydeed; Hargeysa is for Egal;
but The Bosaso guy, who is he there for?
Mohamed Abshir or Abdullahi Yusuf?
faisal hassan
It is useless and/or pointless to debate with, those of you who are
daydreaming and telling lies, deception, and falsehood.
It is not I who will impose leaders in Hargaysa, In Mogadishu, in Bosaaso
and elsewhere in the Country-Is it BBC-Somali Service that determines your
leaders?
Hargaysa of Igal is not my invention, rather it is you and your
clansmen that he represents and leads in Carro Isak, and what his
supporters called to the promised land.
Mogadishu of Aydeed is not my creation, but rather his own clansmen of
Mudug province and their immigration to Banadir land.
Mogadishu of Mahdi is not my invention, but rather his clansmen of Cadele
and War Sheikh and their immigration to Mogadishu.
On 6 May 1998, Hawdbari wrote:
> bye the way you said BBC rep. in Mogadishu is for Aydeed; Hargeysa is
>for Egal; but The Bosaso guy, who is he there for?
> Mohamed Abshir or Abdullahi Yusuf?
Pls, read my commentaries very careful next time, as you have
misunderstood. I have written that BBC-Somali Serive has correspondences
in Hargaysa of Igal, in Mogadishu of Mahdi, in Mogadishu of Aydeed, and In
Boosaaso. To the latter point of yours, it remains to be seen. It is that
I don't know who this guy represent. Can you enlighten us who he
represents?
Nabad
Faisal Hassan
Hawdbari
>Hargaysa of Igal is not my invention, rather it is you and your
>clansmen that he represents and leads in Carro Isak, and what his
>supporters called to the promised land.
Are you assuming that who ever critizes one of your comments is Isak,,,,, Oh
boy, i wonder how much hate you have for that poor clan. but the truth is, i
found your way of talking very incriminating.
Nabad iyo Caano
faisal hassan
On 6 May 1998, Hawdbari wrote:
> Are you assuming that who ever critizes one of your comments is Isak,,,,, Oh
> boy, i wonder how much hate you have for that poor clan. but the truth is, i
> found your way of talking very incriminating.
> Nabad iyo Caano
I stick with my previous commentary or commentaries in this wall or scs/in
the cave. Moreover, because I speak for my clansmen, does not mean that I
hate outsiders. It is to not my nature to hate anyone, including noble
Isaks.
Nabad
Faisal Hassan
mohamed
Dear Brothers,
Abdulli Haji of the BBC is one the excellent journalists Somalis ever
produced. He was not born in Somalia and never lived in that country. He
started his broadcasting career in Radio Ethiopia, Somali Service in
1960s and then he went to Germany on scholarship and after he completed
his studies, he joined the BBC in late 60s. I think he is the first
Somali to become permanent staff at the BBC Somali service.
I remember in 1985, Siyad Barre expelled a minister who served in his
government for more than 15 years. The minister defected to the West and
Abdullahi interviewed him. The minister accused Siyad of being corrupt,
tribalist etc. In the follow up questions Abdullahi asked him , why he
didn't realize the corruption and other ills of Siyad administration
during the 15 years he was a minister?'
The man jumped at Abdullahi and said, " I know where you are coming
from. I know that you work for Siyad. I know that he pays you salary. I
know your tribe."
Again if one examines Abdullahi's interviews with Siyad one can easly
realize how he was very objective and conscious of what Somalis wanted
to hear at the time. Siyad never liked Abdullahi to interview him.
To understand Abdullahi's way of asking question one has to know the BBC
policy of interviewing. The reporter can ask what ever he/she thinks
relevant and then should dig with follow up questions. If a listener
feels that there was a question that has not been asked, then the
interviewer has not done his/her duty. Abdullahi is a man of audience
and that is the way journalism should work. He is hated by Clan lovers,
and corrupt governments alike. Beside all that, may be it is in the
nature of some Somalis to hate Somali 'achievers.'
cisman....@arcada.fi
In article <199805060113...@ladder01.news.aol.com>#1/1,
I disagree with you Mr howdbare and Abdul. For starters, Abdullaahi haji is
an established, objective journalist. He has earned the trust of the Somali
people no matter from what clan. To dispute that means playing the devil's
advocate.
With regard to what Abdul said, BBC somali service offers news and interviews
that could not be found from any radio, or any news agency. There are also
very interesting suugaan programmes. Listening to the BBC somali service does
not mean in any way that one does not know other language than somali. BBC is
even more popular now than it ever was. It is actually a relaible source of
info for those who do not live in Somalia.
What kind of news do you get from the English-speaking news agency? It is
almost all about Mr Clinton's legal problems and some other crap. Get real
guys.
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cisman....@arcada.fi
In article <Pine.BSF.3.96.98050...@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca>
#1/1,
faisal hassan <fha...@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca> wrote:
> Mogadishu of Mahdi is not my invention, but rather his clansmen of Cadele
> and War Sheikh and their immigration to Mogadishu.
Mr Faisal, You really need to be educated about this. How come you claim to
have been living in Bilaajo Carab and you are telling us that Ali mahdi's
people have immigrated to Mogadisho just the way you did to Canada. Get real.
SOO BARI-
CISMAN-
faisal hassan
Dear Mohamed,
I fully agree with you-completely. Abdulaahi Haaji is one of the best
and my favourite journalist in the Bush House. Keep up the good of work.
Nabad
Faisal
faisal hassan
On Thu, 7 May 1998 cisman....@arcada.fi wrote:
> Mr Faisal, You really need to be educated about this. How come you claim to
> have been living in Bilaajo Carab and you are telling us that Ali mahdi's
> people have immigrated to Mogadisho just the way you did to Canada. Get real.
>
> SOO BARI-
> CISMAN-
Mudane Cismaan,
First, welcome back to the cave. Emotions aside, there are alot of
immigration that is happening in Banadir amongst the Hawiye clans. Off
course, there are plenty of Abgal clans who are from Shibis, Yaaqshiid,
and Kaaraan. However, there are many, many more of Abgals who are coming
from the outside of Banadir and have damaged the goodwill of the Abgal
clans. I know them because I have lived with them in Shibis. Today,
Mogadishu is not what it used to be because immigrants have taken it. You
know the rest, don't you, my dear friend.
Also, I do respect BBC-Somali Service (in the bush House). However, it
must expand its correspondences in Carro Somali and beyond Mogadishu of
Aydeed, of Mahdi, Hargaysa of Igal and in Boosaaso. What about the rest of
the country? Any idea?
Nabad
Faisal Hassan
Hawdbari
Something that u guys don't know is Abdillahi Haji is very clever man and all
those rehearsal of yours have proofing that. He is very respectful among the
Darods and the rest of Somalis for two reasons.
First, he dominates the daily decision making of the BBC Somali Section that
gave him advantage of taking control of most important interviews and political
affairs of the Somali people. In that case he is popular among somali-weyn. But
he also popular among his Darods because of his political and idiological
affiliation of some of their late and current leaders. Once, I saw him in
Nairobi having underground meetings with those leaders without being reported
not to mention his contributions either undetected airwave support or
financially.
Those qualities which seem to be not discovered by mainstreem Somalis lightins
Abdillahi Haji's evil side and betrayal of the trust of Somalis who think he
is honest and impartial journalist. However, soon many people will learn the
reality of what he beleives which one can interpret a conflict of interest and
un ethical behavior.
Some of you will argue that those things are untrue or seak some proof, well,
we have it and we will proof it when the day comes.
Nabad iyo Caano
cisman....@arcada.fi
In article <Pine.BSF.3.96.980507...@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca>,
faisal hassan <fha...@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca> wrote:
> Mudane Cismaan,
> First, welcome back to the cave. Emotions aside, there are alot of
> immigration that is happening in Banadir amongst the Hawiye clans. Off
> course, there are plenty of Abgal clans who are from Shibis, Yaaqshiid,
> and Kaaraan. However, there are many, many more of Abgals who are coming
> from the outside of Banadir and have damaged the goodwill of the Abgal
> clans.
I did not understand you in this above statement where you talked about a
damage of the goodwill of Abgaal.
Yes there are some people, Abgaal and others alike, who are not native
mogadishans. But the fact remains that many Abgaals are also native
Mogadishans. Do you disagree with that?`???
faisal hassan
On Fri, 8 May 1998 cisman....@arcada.fi wrote:
> I did not understand you in this above statement where you talked about a
> damage of the goodwill of Abgaal.
Allow me to elaborate what I intent to advance in this wall or scs/in the
cave. I will try to use a simply/plain english, so that you master it
well. The immigrants of the Hawiye clans were provided with weapons by the
Hawiye elites, in order to kill, murder and destroy the existence of
Somalia. Off course, with the help of many western states, and Ethiopia of
Mingistu Haille Marrian regime. Also, these immigrants of Hawiye clans
invaded Mogadishu and targeted the Darood clans in Xamar Cadeey, Banaadir.
Some of the Darood individuals lost their lives, properties, relatives,
and most of all Xamar Cadeey, Banaadir. They did not cry and run into the
western capitals but rather defended themselves as any human being would
have done it, as Jews in Germany did, as the Habashas of Gondor and Gojom
did with the Italian invasion. However, the Hawiye invassion of Xamar
Cadeey, Banadir was rootless and savagery at worse-it damaged the goodwill
of Abgal clans because they supported and participated the killings of
innocent Somalis whose crimes were their birth identity. That is what I
am talking about my dear friend of the abgal clans.
> Yes there are some people, Abgaal and others alike, who are not native
> mogadishans. But the fact remains that many Abgaals are also native
> Mogadishans. Do you disagree with that?`???
> SOO BARI-
> CISMAN-
Well, I Fully agree with you that Mogadishu or Xamar Cadeey used to be the
capital of Somalia before the disintegration of Somalia. Today, Mogadishu
is not the capital of Somalia because Somali clans refuse to accept the
old concept of government and its orientations.
If, you are asking me, Is mogadishu an Abgal city? Mogadishu is not an
abgal land or Carro. Period. However, Mogadishu is an occupied city by
Warlords who have came from elsewhere of the country. Therefore, Mogadishu
is not what it used to and It will never be!
Nabad
Faisal Hassan
Hawdbari
>If, you are asking me, Is mogadishu an Abgal city? Mogadishu is not an
>abgal land or Carro. Period. However, Mogadishu is an occupied city by
>Warlords who have came from elsewhere of the country. Therefore, Mogadishu
>is not what it used to and It will never be!
>Nabad
>Faisal Hassan
>
>
In that case Kismayo is a same situation, if its not worse.
Don't you agree that comparison. If you don't, then its onather kind of
should we say double standard. And also, one of the reasons why Somalis never
reached an agreement or never will be.
faisal hassan
On 8 May 1998, Hawdbari wrote:
> In that case Kismayo is a same situation, if its not worse.
What about Kismayo? What can you tell us about it?
> Don't you agree that comparison. If you don't, then its onather kind of
> should we say double standard.
I know nothing about Kismayo, therefore, I failed to comprehend your
rationale in this wall or scs/in the cave. Also, why should a realist like
I, have to apply double standard when it comes to reality. Don't you know,
it is the true and no longer shall I be silent the suffering of all
Somali clans, including your clansmen in Hargaysa. However, there is an
english saying "What goes around comes around."
>And also, one of the reasons why Somalis never reached an agreement or
>never will be.
You failed to articulate your reasons...what are they?
Somalis are dominated by Warlords(thugs, rapists, and criminals) who enjoy
the support of their clansmen in Carro Somali. Therefore, untill somalis
realise their capabilities as human beings, there won't be peace,
stability and development in the Horn of Africa. It is lack of direction
and leadership that is responsible these chaotic situations.
It is "aynu is khiyaa mayno."
Somali clans(ordinary people) are more realistic than these warlords whose
crimes we have witnessed and their lack of human understanding.
Nabad
Faisal Hassan
