Third Anniversary of SCS
MUHAMMED HUSSEIN
RESULT
unmoderated group soc.culture.somalia passes 190:28
There were 190 YES votes and 28 NO votes, for a total of 218 valid votes.
There was 218 invalid ballot.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
Newsgroups line:
soc.culture.somalia Somalian affairs, society, and culture.
After this CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it will be sent to
the Somalia Interest mailing list maintained by Mohamed Hussin.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact rdip...@qualcomm.com. For questions about the
proposed group contact Mohamed M. Hussein (Udub-La-Asley)
<mhus...@mason1.gmu.edu>.
CHARTER (Proponent)
The proposed soc.culture.somalia newsgroup will provide a forum for
the discussion of all aspects of the Somalian society-culture,
economic, political, and anything that has to do with the name
Somalia.
The proposed soc.culture.somalia newsgroup will be to provide a forum
for the discussion of things Somalian. Discussion will include (but
not be limited to) sharing of information about the future of Somalia-
What is the solution to the current war, the prospect of establishing
law and order, economic rehabilitation of the country, regionalism,
ethnicity, religion, and etc. The lessons of ethnic, clan, tribe
conflicts and their relavance to institution building in Africa and
similar countries would be part of the discussions in this newsgroup.
Given the current situation in Somalia, it's pivotal that a forum for
discussion is created. It is a common desire amongst the Somalis and
those who have interest in Somalia to see the establishment of such a
newsgroup. This has been expressed by many on the soc.culture.africa
in several occasions. Furthermore, there is also a consent to spare
others in that newsgroup some arguments which we feel are neither
relevant nor appropriate in that newsgroup. Thus, a newsgroup solely
devoted to the Somalian issues is greatly needed.
In summary, a new newsgroup called soc.culture.somalia is being
proposed. It's focus will be on discussions on all items relating
to Somalian culture-economic, political, and traditional.
soc.culture.somalia Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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5454...@umbsky.cc.umb.edu DAVID YOHANNES
A.Sh...@m.cc.utah.edu A Shmomed
a18...@guppie.dseg.ti.com Scott Gallaway 952-4864
a70...@uwasa.fi Abdullaahi Ali
AA...@VAX1.UMKC.EDU
aba...@ccs.carleton.ca Amber Batho
abaz...@aol.com
abdu...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu Red Sea Prince
ABO...@ATHENA.NCAT.EDU
ACDA157%SAUPM00...@VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU
a...@uwasa.fi Adebayo Agbejule
afr...@ccs.carleton.ca Arlene Fraser
agr...@ccs.carleton.ca Aimee Grimes
a...@uwasa.fi Angappa Gunasekaran
aha...@lamar.ColoState.EDU Abdisamad Hassan
ahoe...@mason1.gmu.edu Anani K Hoegnifioh
aj...@freenet.carleton.ca Hussein Mohamud
aja...@ccs.carleton.ca Abdirashid Jabane
aja...@ccs.carleton.ca Andrea Javor
ak...@freenet.carleton.ca Burhaan Warsame
akh...@aol.com
ands...@ccs.carleton.ca Andrew Smith
an...@strix.udac.uu.se Lars Kaskija
apo...@cs.ucsd.edu Andreas Polzer
ar...@freenet.carleton.ca Haidar Mohamed
arn...@spacetec.no
asaf...@ccs.carleton.ca Abdisamed Sh. Ali Farah
asbu...@gold.tc.umn.edu Essey B Asbu
aszy...@mason1.gmu.edu Anna A. Szymanek
aw...@gate.net Mohammad Awan
ayi...@CFS02.cc.monash.edu.au ABDIQADIR IBRAHIM
AYU...@charlie.usd.edu
bak...@ccs.carleton.ca bakhit
BAlld...@vines.ColoState.EDU Barbara Alldredge
bc...@doe.carleton.ca Brent Ronald Cyca
bdo...@eecs.wsu.edu Bilge Dogan
b...@ipp-garching.mpg.de Bruce d. Scott
Beate.Nie...@org.chemie.uni-giessen.de Beate Nies-Schaefer
Bernhard...@antro.uu.se Bernhard Helander
bh50...@longs.lance.colostate.edu baojang hwang
birc...@pilot.njin.net Shag Aristotelis
Birgitta....@antro.uu.se Birgitta H Lindgren
b...@herbison.com B.J. Herbison
Bjorn.L...@antro.uu.se Bj|rn Lindgren
BKO...@american.edu
bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Douglas P. Shannon
bs...@columbia.edu Bernard S Black
bug...@bronze.lcs.mit.edu Aliza R. Panitz
CAJ...@american.edu Alvaro J. Cajina
CAN...@pandora.bre.orst.edu
cc...@hippo.ru.ac.za F. Jacot Guillarmod
chr...@jove.acs.unt.edu chris cherry
cpla...@ccs.carleton.ca Chris Plattner
CRe...@vines.ColoState.EDU Charles Revier
Daniel.Fe...@med.umich.edu Daniel Fessahazion
da...@midway.uchicago.edu annie campbell higgins
dem...@rpi.edu Tsehay Demeke
dls...@gwproteus.com Dan L. Scholnick
dra...@minerva.cis.yale.edu Rebecca Drayer
eg...@ecf.toronto.edu EGAL Abdulkadir Osman
ell...@leonis.nus.sg Talib
emaw...@ccs.carleton.ca Emily Mawhinney
eri...@tyrell.net Rebuild Eritrea
es...@eng.warwick.ac.uk
fa...@lutece.rutgers.edu Addi Fadel
fmak...@mason1.gmu.edu Firas N Makarem
gal...@gate.net Omar Galloso
gasm...@cabell.vcu.edu Ghidewon A. Asmerom
GG1...@american.edu Gregory C. Gugel
GHEBR...@baylor.edu
g...@cc.gatech.edu Gil Neiger
glin...@ccs.carleton.ca Graham Lindfiled
Gregor....@uibk.ac.at Gregor Herrmann
gub...@cuug.ab.ca Benny G.
gut...@ncat.edu gutaye
gxa...@udcf.gla.ac.uk NIHAT TSOLAK
ha...@lamar.ColoState.EDU Julie Gallaway
HAH...@upei.ca
Hannib...@att.com
has...@cs.colostate.edu idiris hassan
hdes...@ccs.carleton.ca Heather Descarie
how...@CS.ColoState.EDU Van Howbert
hunt...@mason1.gmu.edu Heiko Unterstab
IA...@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
ib...@sol.acs.unt.edu Li Songling
IF...@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
IH...@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
IJ...@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
IM...@ac.dal.ca SHIRWAC MOHAMED
imar...@mason1.gmu.edu Ian O Martin
iska...@u.washington.edu Alexandre Khalil
ja...@austin.ibm.com Jama Barreh
jama...@ccs.carleton.ca Julie Anne Macfarlane
jamshe...@Warren.MENTORG.COM
jch...@leland.Stanford.EDU James Alexander Chokey
JFO...@VAX1.UMKC.EDU
jfo...@dorsai.dorsai.org Joseph Fortt
jfr...@ccs.carleton.ca Janine Fraser
joek...@dolphin.upenn.edu Joseph A King
jost...@ccs.carleton.ca Jeff Ostaszewski
k...@doc.nottingham-trent.ac.uk Mr K Ayandokun
kaba...@CS.ColoState.EDU Ashwin S Kabadkar
kgo...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu gonyea kyle edward
kh0...@uwasa.fi Ergin Bedretdin
kh...@jtp.cs.nyu.edu Hasnain Khan
kirsh...@hplms2.hpl.hp.com Evan Kirshenbaum
kkre...@ccs.carleton.ca Krista Kreling
kl...@ccs.carleton.ca Kingson lim
kon...@fou.tr.statoil.no Peter Cracknell
KRA...@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
kwat...@sas.upenn.edu Kirk Wattles
L1...@ZFN.UNI-BREMEN.DE Martin Schroeder
l5...@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca Lenz
lau...@ritz.mordor.com Laura Gillespie
li...@som.digex.net Elizabeth Getachew
ll...@ccs.carleton.ca Lisa Lee
lmcc...@freya.cs.umass.edu
LO...@KSUVM.KSU.EDU bashir N Loyan
lpa...@ccs.carleton.ca Laura Palmer
M...@ac.dal.ca
mas...@human.ai.kyushu-u.ac.jp Muhammad Masroor Ali
MEHMET%SUBRVM...@uga.cc.uga.edu
mes...@chdasic.sps.mot.com Solomon Meskel
MHar...@vines.ColoState.EDU Mindy Harpman
MHA...@VM1.YorkU.CA hassan Mohamed
mhos...@whale.st.usm.edu Mir Rubaiut Hossain
mhus...@mason1.gmu.edu Udub-La-Asley
mmac...@ccs.carleton.ca Margaret Macdonald
m...@columbia.edu Mohib.N.Durrani
moh...@meaddata.com Mohamed Abdullahi
moha...@stud.cs.uit.no Mohammad Qassim Abdulkadir
m...@cec.wustl.edu Mukhtar Saleh
mu...@acs.ryerson.ca Mohamed Ugas - ACPS/F93
mug...@alumni.caltech.edu A. M. Mughal
MU...@KSUVM.KSU.EDU mulki
na...@helix.nih.gov Nabil Alkharouf
nad...@aol.com
nbar...@lamar.ColoState.EDU Timur Satiroglu
nda...@io.org
ni...@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca Nicholas Fitzpatrick
Niels.E...@antro.uu.se Niels Einarsson
NJiana...@vines.ColoState.EDU Nancy Jianakoplos
nr...@ccs.carleton.ca Natalie Ryan
OQ6...@american.edu Omar N. Qorah
osh...@ccs.carleton.ca osman salad hersi
po...@sb05.dseg.ti.com POW
qu...@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Michael J. Quinn
raf...@sage.cc.purdue.edu Rafat M Sadiq
rbr...@ccs.carleton.ca Robin Browne
rdes...@mason1.gmu.edu Ratnakar
rei...@lamar.ColoState.EDU Richard Eichhorn
rhad...@ccs.carleton.ca rakhmat hadisudarmo
rms...@uci.edu Ruth M. Sylte
rou...@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu Redouan Rouzky
Roy....@antro.uu.se Roy Unge
RSIA12D%SAUPM00...@VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU Hassan Mohamed Hassan
ruf...@cae.wisc.edu
sa...@lamar.ColoState.EDU Karin Sable
sa...@ecn.purdue.edu Rafat Mahmud Sadiq
sa...@cs.colostate.edu ronald f saito
sand...@ceres.AGSCI.ColoState.EDU Sue Anderson
SB4...@american.edu Stanley W. Burgiel
schw...@ccs.carleton.ca Saul Schwartz
sgeb...@mason1.gmu.edu ELIAS AMARE
sg...@ccs.carleton.ca Sacha Gera
sja...@mason1.gmu.edu ***THE GODFATHER***
SL...@cc.usu.edu
SL...@cc.usu.edu
SL...@cc.usu.edu
sma...@mason1.gmu.edu ***SKYDIVER***
SMOH...@VAX1.UMKC.EDU
sp...@lamar.ColoState.EDU Sergio Castello
SRE...@gab.unt.edu Steven Renfrow
ST...@Jetson.UH.EDU
stu...@CFS01.cc.monash.edu.au STUDENTS
ta...@ira.uka.de tahar
tah...@cs.brandeis.edu Tahsin I. Alam
tbt...@CFS01.cc.monash.edu.au THONG TAN
ter...@lamar.ColoState.EDU Terrel Gallaway
thu...@mason1.gmu.edu Tina M Hudson
utri...@ccs.carleton.ca upendra tripathy
vpa...@nc.titech.ac.jp Vitoria Pablo n-2260
we...@purcell.physics.upenn.edu Alex Welte
wh51...@longs.lance.colostate.edu Wen Hsiao
WJ4...@american.edu Warsame A. Jama
won...@lamar.ColoState.EDU Sara Wondra
ya...@access.digex.net Yusuf Abdi
yada...@GALcon.Ersys.edmonton.ab.CA Dave Shariff Yadallee
yit...@lamar.ColoState.EDU David Tran
z70...@uwasa.fi Eija Maria Maki
Voted No
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al19...@academ01.mty.itesm.mx JESUS EUGENIO SANCHEZ PENA
and...@uss-enterprise.bu.edu Anders M Jorgensen
ber...@beech.csis.gvsu.edu Bill Bereza
bl...@mksol.dseg.ti.com arthur blair
clai...@ctron.com Christian L Claiborn
crou...@flidh102.delcoelect.com
cw...@Think.COM Christopher Ward
e...@msc.edu Edward Bertsch
epa...@festival.ed.ac.uk
fs...@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Sean P. Ryan
HD0022%ALBNYVM...@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU Chip Dunham
j...@Dixie.Com John De Armond
j...@draco.bison.mb.ca Jim Jaworski
j...@globalvillag.com John R. MacWilliamson
j_he...@oz.plymouth.edu Axl
kr...@vuse.vanderbilt.edu P Krishnan
lis...@vpnet.chi.il.us Gerry Swetsky
m...@RedBrick.COM Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
plut...@porter.geo.brown.edu Joel Plutchak
ri...@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
sang...@digifix.com Scott Anguish
sma...@titan.ucs.umass.edu IRA SMAILER
sma...@turing.toronto.edu Marc Moorcroft
stai...@bga.com Dwight Brown
vpnet!vpnet!vag...@xnet.com
WA...@ernie.van.forintek.ca Ward F. Bush
we...@rhrk.uni-kl.de
Votes in error
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sam...@epx.cis.umn.edu
! Conflicting votes
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Abdirashiid
> mhus...@osf1.gmu.edu (MUHAMMED HUSSEIN) writes:
>
>
> Given the current situation in Somalia, it's pivotal that a forum for
> discussion is created. It is a common desire amongst the Somalis and
> those who have interest in Somalia to see the establishment of such a
> newsgroup. This has been expressed by many on the soc.culture.africa
> in several occasions. Furthermore, there is also a consent to spare
> others in that newsgroup some arguments which we feel are neither
> relevant nor appropriate in that newsgroup. Thus, a newsgroup solely
> devoted to the Somalian issues is greatly needed.
>
Walaal Maxamed(Udub-la-aslay), waxaan shaki badani ku jirin
in Gole sidan oo kale ah loo baahanaa, si looga faa'iideysto
Technology-gani heerka sare gaadhey. Taas oo suura gal
ka dhigtey in dad aduunka afartiisa cidhif ku kala nooli ay
il bidhiqsi fikrado iyo aragtiyo (constructive or destructive)
isku dhaafsan karayaan.
Waxa intaa kuu dheer xaaladda maanta Ummadda Soomaaliyeed
mareyso oo u baahan in si digtoon isha loogu hayo. Markaa
waxaa hubaal ah in Galahani arrimahaa wax weyn ka tarey
ama ka tari doono hadii aynu si xilkasnimo ah u isticmaalno.
Waxay laba nin oo saaxciibadey ihi ii sheegeen inaad tahay
dadkii Golahan asaasey(scs veteran), sidaa darteed adiga
iyo dadkii kale ee arrintaa wax kaala qabtey waxay mudanyihinn
inaan u mahad celino oo nidhaahno"Ilaahay ha idinka abaal
mariyo" hawsha fiican ee aad qabateen.
Anigu shaqsi ahaan, sidaan mar hore sheegey, muddo sanad
ku dhow ayaan daawade ahaa. Kadib waxey ila noqotey inaan
ka qayb qaato wixii itaalkeyga ah, wax badanna waan ka faa'iideystey
in kasta oo ay wakhti badan mararka qaarkood iga qaadato.
Sidaa iyo nabad gelyo
Abdirashiid
MUHAMMED HUSSEIN
Dear Hussein Warsame and Ciise,
You are welcome, it is my pleasure to serve my people wherever and
whenever they are. I am sort of busy, but I like to write a short note
about SCS.
I was so disenchanted with the Somali civil war which caught me by
surprise, and even though at the time I was so involved in cyberspace, I
was unaware there were some Somalis who "discuss" Somali affairs on the
internet. After Abandoning a PhD program in Industrial and Systems
Engineering at Georgia Institute of Technology, and as soon as I began a
PhD program in Computer Sciences at George Mason University, I was active
and was so bent on doing something about the Somali civil war when I ran
into few Somalis at soc.culture.african. These included Jama Barreh, Ina
Mako, Shirwac, Haybe, Hussein, Mohamed Abdullahi, Abdisamad, and many
others whose names I would be able to recall if I am not writing this in
hurry.
The bones of contention in their discussions where whether or not
Somaliland should secede, whether or not Daaroods where responsible of the
Somali destruction and many other sometimes relevant, sometimes irrelevant
issues. I began reading what they were writing for a while and was so
afraid to contribute. This was so because I never believed that Somalis
were the worst enemies of themselves, to paraphrase sister Safia. I had
grown up in Mogadishu, and even though I knew what clan I belonged to,
clanism per se was not the dominant factor in my thinking as I am sure
this is true with many Somalis of my times.
At last I think Jama Barreh proposed that we Somalis have our own
newsgroup and spare the africans the many heated and sometimes degrading
remarks of each other. I think Shirwac did a lot of search on how to
create a newsgroup in cyberspace and shared the information with us in
public. So, he wrote the proposal and the newsgroup was presented to be
created. As expected the discussions got heated up, but at any rate we all
felt that regardless of whether or not Somaliland goes its way, Somalis
are brother and sisters. After a while Shirwac has to leave for some
personal reasons, and I was told to continue the coodination of the
proposal. I did. We all participated and in the end collected enough votes
for support of the creation of the newsgroup.
Did the newsgroup achieve its charter principals or not ? I do not speak
for others, but from own viewpoint this newsgroup is the best thing that
has ever happened to Somalis. Why ? We all have pre-concieved dogmas that
were never tested beyond our families or relatives, as Atto has opined.
The minute a Somali writes in this wall many of his/her beliefs would be
shattered into pieces, and as a consequences his/her mind is tampered
with. You see, this is so necessary because no formal education could put
a Somali thru this pain, a pain I believe is a sufficient and necessary
condition if the Somali culture has to survive into the next mileua (sp?).
I personally enjoy SCS as evidenced by my unsatisfiable desire to hang
around here all the time. If I am not mistaken, I am the only member of
the orginal founders of this forum who has never discontinued writing in
this wall. Why ? Because I am a staunch believer in freedom of speech, and
if Somali warlords, of course as a result of our collective dictatorial
tendency, denied my rights for free assembly, for free speech, and for
free thinking, then SCS became the forum where I could get revenge from
them. I would be a fool if I assume that a warlord who is a member of my
clan would allow me to express my Allah given rights to express my views.
For me SCS is the place.
On the personal level, I have met most of the Somalis who write in this
wall. As Hussein has opined we might one day become members of the same
clan, the Cave clan, and so it is enjoyable to make Somali friends thru
this medium. After all, the partitioning of Somalis by warlords is
oxymoron. I have learned in this wall that, even though it is hard to
diconnect the whispering some of those warlords do on our third ears, we
can nevertheless see each other as objects that could muster up energy so
antithetical to the very partitioning they concoct. It is not easy though.
I running out of time, so let me comment on another aspect of scs, again
at the personal level. Allah may have designed me as a mathematician, but
during my tenure here at scs, I have discovered that Allah may have also
designed me as a writer. Which is more important, to spend so much time on
writing in the minds of computers or in the minds of human beings ? I
suppose this is a tough question, but the point I am attempting to make is
that there are warlords, but then again there are ***WORDLORDS**. I would
rather see more WORDLORDS among the Somali nation than warlords. You see
the point, don't you ?
Regards,
Udub, a friend of King Banay.
--
MUHAMMED HUSSEIN
In article <5ksmla$3...@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>
Abdirashiid<ae...@po-box.mcgill.ca> writes:
>Anigu shaqsi ahaan, sidaan mar hore sheegey, muddo sanad
>ku dhow ayaan daawade ahaa. Kadib waxey ila noqotey inaan
>ka qayb qaato wixii itaalkeyga ah, wax badanna waan ka faa'iideystey
>in kasta oo ay wakhti badan mararka qaarkood iga qaadato.
Dear Abdirashid,
The best way to optimize your usage of SCS is to concentrate on issues
that you either want to learn something from or teach others about. So, in
my opinion, as you have pointed out, this is an important forum for all of
us, but we must learn how to not waste our time on its perusal, or else
other important things of ours might be impacted. In short, balancing our
conflicting desires is the name of the game.
Thanks for your recognition of those who made this forum available for us.
MUHAMMED HUSSEIN
In article <5kv6cp$4...@chass.utoronto.ca> am...@chass.utoronto.ca (Amina
Mire) writes:
>Finally, I have learned at SCS how ideas can be powerful, more
>powerful than the power of the gun.
Dear Amina,
This is a very truthful statement. I too learned that here at scs the
minute the newsgroup passed. Sir Atto began flaming me to death with so
many different ideas the first day of scs. I remember he called an article
I posted here as "Oxymoron Tribal Democracy", later he changed his mind
and called my views as "numerocracy", and as you can imagine I had to run
for a cover from his missiles. BTW, I began using the term "missiles" in
the Somali forums because ideas are truly "more powerful than the power of
the gun". Guess what ? I invented the term "Phantom Clanist" and the
minute I invented that Atto fled with his army. I suppose he is in hiding
somewhere in the Null Space until now thinking that my army is still
shelling his headquarters even sixty years later.
Regards,
Udub.
--
Omar Y. Othman
Mohamud Cisman wrote:
> I must say this Cave often degenerates in to a talking
> shop where a valuable time is losed.During my stay in the Cave I have
> noticed that many people play devil's advocate to make others mad,in
> which case one wishes SCS were a moderated newsgroup.Getting other
> peoples' nerve is not what we are all here do against one another.Is >it?
Dear Mohamud, greetings first. While what you have said is the truth,
I like to point out the following items:
1. For serious discussion of issues relating to our dillemas
I would suggest that you subscribe to SAPD mailing list
2. What somebody writes on this wall no one should take it
seriously because all brains are not created equal. In
here, I am talking about devil advocating.
3. On the other hand moderated newsgroups do not represent
the issues from all sides and can be controlled by one
group and as an example look no further than Soc.culture.
Ethiopia.moderated. Nobody really contributes in that
newsgroup because of the censorship of opinions based
on ones believes, in other words ones ethnicity. The
same thing is true for other moderated newsgroups which
are controlled by a group be they share an ideology or
ethnicity or whatever. For example Soc.Culture.Ethiopia.
Moderated for lack of contributorship selects articles
from SCE and posts them on SCE-moderated.
> What is good about a moderated newsgroup,as the name suggests,is that
> the best articles get posted while the nonsensical rubish will be
> thrown away,which is exactly what needs to be done if this Cave is to
> become a better place to live.
I wish it was this simple but remember the moderators are Somalis
and they will always view things from the prism of clanscope.
Finally despite our sporadic fireworks I think SCS is an excellent
place to feel free to express ideas no matter how wacky they might
be at times. At least they reflect our varying diversities and
un-escapable realities whether we like it or not.
BTW, I enjoy the objectivity you display in your postings at all
times.
Peace brother,
Omar Y. Othman (Boondheere)
Hussein Warsame
Dear Mohamed Mukhtar Hussein:
I must be getting old or soft. Call it what ever you like. But, by
the time I finished reading your article I was sniffing hard in
order to contol my emotions. Before I divulge into other things
and emotions, let me list the names that you gave us, so that we
can thank them properly and give them their dues. Unless I misread
your article, this is how the list should go:
1. Jama Barreh proposed the idea.
JAMA, OME HOW I FELT YOU WERE INVOLVED. I ONLY SAW YOUR PICTURE
ON THE INERNET. BUT, WITH THE HELP OF YOUR WRITINGS AND ATTITUDE
IN THE NEWSGROUP, I COULD ASSOCIATE YOUR FACE WITH HONESTY, DECENCY,
SINCERITY, AND COMPASSION. THANK YOU. WE OWE YOU A BIG ONE.
2. Shirwac started the implimentation process.
SHIWAC, WHEREEVER YOU ARE, JUST KNOW THAT WHAT YOU STARTED CAME
TO FULL FRUITION. DROP US A LINE SOME DAY, AMD WE WILL THANK YOU
IN PERSON. THANK YOU, AND WE OWE YOU ONE.
3. Udub coordinated the efforts of the group and saw it to completion.
UDUB, YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOURSELF. AS AN OLD FRIEND OF YOURS, AND
A MEMBER OF THE CAVE CLAN, I AM ALSO PROUD OF YOU. NOT ONLY DID YOU
SEE TO IT THAT THE FORUM BECOMES A REALITY, YOU SAW IT TO FRUITION.
THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW, I AND THE REST OF THE CAVE MEMBERS WILL START
THROWING DARTS AT YOU AGAIN. BUT, TODAY, DO NOT BLUSH AND DO NOT BE
TIMID. ENJOY THE SPOTLIGHT. IT IS ALL YOURS. YOU DESERVED IT.
3. Ina Mako, Haybe, Hussein, Mohamed Abdullahi, Abdisamad, and many
others (That you could not remember now), also helped both in the
lobbying and in the voting process.
WE THANK YOU ALL. IF YOU GUYS ARE AROUND, PLEASE DROP US A LINE
AND ACKNOWLEDGE THIS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF YOUR EFFORTS. THANK YOU AGAIN.
YOU wrote:
> Did the newsgroup achieve its charter principals or not ? I do not speak
> for others, but from own viewpoint this newsgroup is the best thing that
> has ever happened to Somalis. Why ? We all have pre-concieved dogmas that
> were never tested beyond our families or relatives, as Atto has opined.
> The minute a Somali writes in this wall many of his/her beliefs would be
> shattered into pieces, and as a consequences his/her mind is tampered
> with. You see, this is so necessary because no formal education could put
> a Somali thru this pain, a pain I believe is a sufficient and necessary
> condition if the Somali culture has to survive into the next mileua (sp?).
>
Muhammed, I wholeheartedly argee with you that this newsgroup is one
of best things that happened to its Somali participants. About few
weeks ago, when I was under fire in the cave, a colleaque of mine
who was on her way to teaching a class, saw me laughing in my office.
She asked me what was funny, and I showed her some of the messages,
especially the one that hinted that I may not be as intelligent
as I am educated (Hebaan: allow me to have a laugh over it,
especially now that I know there was nothing to it). She laughed
and said "YOU?" After reading few more messages, she suddenly became
serious and said "I envy you. You are having too much fun." She was
right: our redemption process is not all pain. It has a lot of fun
components.
Muhammed, I like my job, and I think it is important. However, when
I come to work in the morning, the first thing I check is for messages
in my newsgroup. Second, I check my e-mail. Third, I check my
department mail box. Then, I check my voice recorder. Sometimes, when
I am having some family or job related headaches, I get refuge in
the company of the written words in the newsgroup. I always find
something that makes me forget those temporary headaches. I can
always count on an article from Faisal defending his CARRO idea.
Or from Udub, fighting a losing battle in contacting King Banay,
or desperately trying to score one more point against Amina Wiilo.
Or from Amina, breaking yet another ground in the fight for social
justice. Or from Ina Daud, fine tunning his SCS government.
Or from Mohamud Abib, in heated debate with Hebaan, Abu Xafsa,
A. Yussuf, Safia, Abdirashid, or another mainstream "wadaad",
to carve a little space at the cave for his "Quran only version
of Islam". Or from Hamud Masheye, posting another passionate appeal
for an 18-province-wide federal government. Or from Burhan Jama,
registering another caveat or cynicism. Or from Mohamud Osman &
Abdirahman Osman, maneuvering though friendly fire, not judging and
yet being critical. Or from Atto and Maryam, sharing another romantic
GOOGAA. Or from Dr. Mohamud, describing another medical or social ill.
Or from Hayan, with another diagnostic test to pinpoint potential
trouble makers. Or from Mustafe Monash, with another Ila-talli
(The equivalent of Canada's THE HOUR HAS 22 MINUTES). Or from
Mohamed Abdi, defusing another difficult situation. Or from Jama Barreh,
with another statemanly idea, or another scholarship for potential
engineers. Or from Gabobe and Mustafe A. Jama comparing notes on
historical facts about slavery and Somalis. Or from Mohamed Dolli,
making another argument for common courtesy. Or the Prime Minister
(Dr. Jowhar) with another Shakesperean-like prose on our fate in the
diaspora. Or from J.J Jama, on the move to save another soul under
attack. Or from Ikram, advocating unapologetic feminism. Or from
Abdiwali, making another point for his QABIIL-DIID stand. Or from
Abdisamed, singing the virtues of valor. Or......, please complete.
The list goes on. I can count on these and many others to provide me
with a therapeutic moment. But, as you suggested to Abdirashid of
McGill,
I also try not to have too much fun and not enough work. Moderation is
key. With that caveat, I LOVE THIS NEWSGROUP AND I AM PROUD OF MY CAVE
CLAN.
Thanks guys, again.
Amina Mire
Distribution:
Dear Mohamed Hissein and the rest of the brothers and sisters who
partook in bringing SCS to fruition:
I want to say to you: thank you very
much. Technology indeed,is very dialectical ways in which those who aim
to control it and use it for focused aims cannot for see. This
dialectical nature of technology is obviously present at scs too.
I would say that while SCS is an important vehicle for issues
pertaining to Somalia, both in the diapora and in Somalia , it became,
also, a place for contestions of ideas, identities and power!
I am greatful to you brother mohmed Huseein and the others by bringing
SCS to live!
Persoanally SCS has been a test market for ideas.
It also has been, a corner to hangout with Somali brothers and sisters.
I love SCS because some of my best and dearest friends I first connected
with them at SCS.
Those of us who are deeply scared by homesick, SCS has been a place to
share stories and ideas with brothers and sisters who are such as me
suffereing from loneliness and homesick in the diaspora.
The bleaching cream project in which I have lauched at SCS some 4
months ago is taking now life of its own. Only yesterday the U of T
graduate program granteed me that I can develop it into a reading course
and get a credit as a part of my graduate degree course requirement.
It was the support of a follew brother/ follew Caver, Dr.
Abdi Jowhar who gave me the support I needed to get this project off
the grounds.
I strongly believe that SCS has given us the opportunity to come to
gether and achieve things
collectively as a Somali people period!
Finally, I have learned at SCS how ideas can be powerful, more
powerful than the power of the gun.
At SCS we share ideas, disagree but come back and start another discussion!
This is the way it should have been, it must be, and I hope it will be
in our beloved country.
Sincerely,
Amina Mire
: Dear Hussein Warsame and Ciise,
Mohamud Cisman
MUHAMMED HUSSEIN wrote:
The minute a Somali writes in this wall many of his/her beliefs would
be
> shattered into pieces, and as a consequences his/her mind is tampered
> with. You see, this is so necessary because no formal education could put
> a Somali thru this pain, a pain I believe is a sufficient and necessary
> condition if the Somali culture has to survive into the next mileua (sp?).
Although the initiators of this newsgroup has to be thanked for
presenting the wonderful opportunity to hang around with large number of
fellow Somalis,I must say this Cave often degenerates in to a talking
shop where a valuable time is losed.During my stay in the Cave I have
noticed that many people play devil's advocate to make others mad,in
which case one wishes SCS were a moderated newsgroup.Getting other
peoples' nerve is not what we are all here do against one another.Is it?
What is good about a moderated newsgroup,as the name suggests,is that
the best articles get posted while the nonsensical rubish will be thrown
away,which is exactly what needs to be done if this Cave is to become a
better place to live.May be we should evaluate what achievements has
this unmoderated SCS attained to know whether it is worth the time
people devote to it.In other words,to weigh up achievements reached so
far and what would have been achieved if it had been a moderated one.A
kind of screening process that throw the rubish away while preserving
quality articles is just what we are missing.With this process in place
people can learn from one another because the quality of the postings
gets improved remarkably.Perhaps the initiators should start another
compaign to turn SCS moderated newsgroup.
SOO BARI.
CISMAN.
A.Gulled
MUHAMMED HUSSEIN wrote:
>
> RESULT
> unmoderated group soc.culture.somalia passes 190:28
>
> There were 190 YES votes and 28 NO votes, for a total of 218 valid votes.
Dear M.M.Hussein;
I thank you for the part you played in the formatation of this useful
forum. I also thank all those other polished old-timers who either
proposed, implemented or voted for SCS. You all deserve our warm words.
Thank you again.
A. Gulled
Abdirahman Osman
Brother Udub:
You did a great job for us and you must remove the word "I think" from
your analysis on scs objectives and say "It did help Somali people and
many non-Somalis".
Here comes my history with scs: First, I was attracted by some very
persuesive articles from Atto, you and tour PCC holders, I didn't like
most of what was posted here but soon I became a great fan of Mohamed
Abdi, Jama Barre and some other fellows I can't recall their names whom
I saw to be the most honest guys at the cave. Then I read some articles
from William Ainanshe, I think he wanted to become Somalia's next
president or was it you? All the terminals at work were connected to the
Internet and I followed all of your heated debates and sporadic flames
by the hour if not by the minute. Then, the inevitable came, I became
active by responding to some articles. After some time I became addicted
to the cave. I remember hacking into unauthorized computer terminal only
o find somali123 and his MOD opponents locked in tribal war and one
article from non-Somali lady who claimed that we Somalis lie about our
age and we date former girl-friends of our cousins. I remember flaming
her so badly I still feel sorry about what I said to her. Now, the first
thing I do at 6:00 AM in the morning is turn on the computer and start
downloading all new articles from scs, go to the washroom while
downloading, come back and check any new e-mail and log-off. I read most
of the articles over the break-fast. PS:(To everybody)There is a
news-reader which allows you to download all the articles instead of
reading them online. This is much better than all conventional news
readers since it allows to read and respond to the articles any time you
want .It is free software and the name is NEWS AGENT. If you would like
to try it but can't find, drop me a note and I'll direct you or try
http://www.tucows.com. the choose news readers. No UNIX version.
On another front, scs. helped me more than many other members because I
have only three real life Somali friends who are 500 to 3000 km away
from me. scs filled this gap with so many Somali well educated and
intellectulas to choose from. Because of you guys (including ladies),
today my Somali friends out-number my other friends. I met some of my
all-time best friends at the cave. I like the cave very much. My Somali
e-mail address book is getting larger while the non-Somali is getting
smaller.
Did the scs help our communities? yes, it did very much! Look at how
many good spin-offs happened from scs. Dr. Jowhar/Amina community
service, and Somali Engineers and Computer Scientists Society to name a
few. We have all kinds of profession at scs. we are the best stand alone
Somali community in the world. I call it a jungle with a variety of
things to choose from. Today, if I need any help with my career, you and
Jama Barre are the first two people whom I would send a surprise email
message since you are in my field and more experienced. That is how I
count on scs members and I know many count on me.
Udub, since you are bombarded with questions from the members, let me
ask them one question so they be the receiving end for a minute. I read
hundreds of emotional articles, I even contributed some and these
articles showed me that most of us would like to do something for our
beloved country which is bleeding to death before our own eyes. My
question is: What can we do for our country? Please let us think about
this and come up with a plan. I am willing to take my full part (fair
share) of whatever we come up with. We have more than enough smart
brains to accomplish our goals. No one is going to fill our shoes,
therefore, we must do something for our country. Everyone of us can
survive in these foreign countries but please let us not forget our
growing minds who are the future of the country. Again, What can we do
for our country? On behalf of the members with technical background, we
can facilitate and maintain a mailing list on our time and expense
should we decide to come up with a concrete plan.
MUHAMMED HUSSEIN wrote:
>
> Dear Hussein Warsame and Ciise,
>
> You are welcome, it is my pleasure to serve my people wherever and
> whenever they are. I am sort of busy, but I like to write a short note
> about SCS.
more deleted.......
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Sincerely,
Abdirahman.
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Abdiwali M Ahmed
MUHAMMED HUSSEIN (mhus...@osf1.gmu.edu) writes:
>
> The proposed soc.culture.somalia newsgroup will provide a forum for
> the discussion of all aspects of the Somalian society-culture,
> economic, political, and anything that has to do with the name
> Somalia.
Mudane Muhammed Hussein,
As technicians, you and the other members of the crew must be highly
appreciated for the construction of this invaluable facility. But as
social stimulator working for the advancement of Somali interest, you are
worthless as long as you are clinching and believing in the mythical clan
stuff.
See you in "war hooy soo qabiildiid" attitude.
ARDAAGA QABIILDIID....
--
|Waa ummad midoo+++++Isku muunadoo++++++++Ay wada martaa |
|Maaweello dhaqan++++Muslimoo ku hadli++++Afkeygaa macaan|
|Magacaa qabiil++++++Iska maydhayoo+++MABDA'WEYN KU SOCON|
| QabiilDiid: July'96 |
Abdulkadir Egal
Mudanayaal iyo Marwooyin;
Waxay ila ahayd shalay markaan u codaynayney aasaaska godkan, wakhtiguse
waaba duulayaa. Waxaa la is weydiiyey su'aasha ah godku ma gaaray
muhimadii loo aasaasay? Aniga waxay ila tahay inuu godku gaaray
muhimadii loo asaasay oo ahayd in looga wada hadlo, fikradana la isku
dhaafsado arimaha khuseeya Soomaaliya, ha noqdeen siyaasad, diin, dhaqan
ama dhaqaaleba. Su'aasha runta ahise waxay tahay doodaasu wax miro ah ma
dhalisay? Inta aanan fikradayda ka dhiiban su'aashan waxaad is
waydiisaan
* Doodaha halkaan ka socdaa ma damiyeen dabka soomaaliya ka huraya?
* Doodaha halkaan ka socdaa intee qof oo kumayaal mayl isu jira
bay isku diireen, inteese halkaan ku heshiisay?
* Doodaha halkaan ka socdaa ma soo hanuuniyeen qolo dhunsanayd?
* Doodaha halkaan ka socdaa ma kobciyeen dhaqankeena iyo
afkeena hooyo?
* Doodaha halkaan ka socdaa ma caawiyeen mase waxbay u dhimeen
sumcada ummada soomaaliyeed?
* Doodaha halkaan ka socdaa ma dhaliyeen ilo dhaqaale?
Runtu waxay tahay in qoraalada iyo fikradaha halkaan ka socdaa ama ka
socon jiray sadexdii sanoo la soo dhaafay inay badankood wakhti dhumis
yihiin. Waxaase farxad leh haba yaraadeene inay jiraan qoraalo ka
hadlaya siyaasada soomaaliya iyo shirarka looga wadahadlayo mustaqbalka
soomaaliya. Qoraalo diini ah, oo ama wacdi ha ahaadeen ama su'aal iyo
jawaab ha ahaadeene wax laga faa'iidaysan karo. Qoraalo ku saabsan
sugaanata iyo dhaqanka soomaaliyeed(Salaan khaasa waxaa mudan MGiama
Isse iyo Deeq Diiriye). Qoraalo cilmi baaris ah sida (Kareemka Diyaana
iyo khatartiisa). Hadaydnaan ogayn waxaa CBC Radio siidaayey April 18,
warkii 10:00 habeenimo digniin ka soo baxday wasaarada caafimaadka ee
Kanada kana digaya khatarta kareemka Diyaana. Waxaa salaan mudan Abdi
Jowhar iyo intii la shaqaysay.
SCS uma baahna "moderation" waxayse u baahantahay "qoraalo nacfi leh".
Jirkaaka qayta ugu fiican uguna xun waa carabkaaga. Waa carabkaaga kan
jano ama naar kuu horseedaya. Dadku mar iyo labo iyo sadex waa
khaldamaa, lakiin intaadan wax qorin waxaad is weydiisaa
1) Qoraalku diintaada, iyo sharaftaada wax ma dhimayaa?
2) Qoraalku qof ama qolo kale wax ma dhimayaa?
3) Qofkii akhristaa wax ma ka faa'iidaysanayaa?
Waxaan filayaa hadii qof walba oo inaga mid ahi uu su'aalahaan is warsan
lahaa intuusan wax qorin in godku noqon lahaa meel dad badani u soo
hiloobaan. Xusuusnow in Godku uusan u baahnayn qoraalo badan, ee
uu u baahan yahay qoraalo wax laga faa'iidaysan karo.
Salaan gaara waxaa mudan dhamaan dadkii suuro geliyey dhismaha godkaan.
Mahadsanidiin
--
Abdulkadir O. Egal
Nortel Technology
Multimedia Communication Systems
eg...@nortel.ca
Amina Mire
Dear Hussein Warsame:
I must say I have never met our beloved brother Jama Barreh, but from
our exchanges, at SCS but also privately, he comes across as one of those
brothers you that you wished was your real blood brother. Indeed Jama
is one brother who makes you understand the essence of modesty and
integrity. Indeed Jama
is one of the great leaders of our community in the diaspora.
I just want to say with you brother Hussein Warsame: Jama Barreh we
love you for proposing SCS as well as for your sense of leadership,
generiousity and brotherhood.
Finally, brother Jama Barreh I want to thank for taking some of
my harsh criticism to some of your writngs with grace and without malice.
p/s. Iwant to say my deep thanks to rest of our brothers and sisters
who brought SCS ti fruition.
Sincerely,
Amina Mire
(war...@vax2.concordia.ca) wrote:
: Dear Mohamed Mukhtar Hussein:
Jama I. Barreh
Dear Muhammed Hussein , Hussein Warsame and Amina Mire ,
Thanks for the kind words. I also believe that this Cave
( I think the word Cave was coined by ATTO ) is a great
learning forum. I have became re_acquinted with parts of
our culture that I was begining to forget. I have changed
my views on a number of issues after reading other people's
arguments. Like Hussein Warsame , the first thing I
do when I go to the office is check the Cave for few minutes.
It is never a dull place.
I met many people I can count among my friends in here. I have
not met any one face to face yet but I know I have a friend in every
continent.
To Muhammed Hussein , enjoy the moment you deserve it.
Jama Barreh
MUHAMMED HUSSEIN
>( I think the word Cave was coined by ATTO ) is a great
>learning forum.
You are welcome Jama Barreh, but, dear Jama, you said you dislike the
contents of our characters, for, it demands a perpetual glorification of
members of our own clan only, while it mystifies, at worst, or minimizes
the contributions of others, at best, of the contributions of those who
are not members of our clan. I agree. Do you think that Hussein Warsame is
justified in minimizing Atto's contributions at this CAVE, yes the word he
coined, as that of "Googaa, cadalle, ...." Is that fair, dear Jama ? If
you think no, then why don't you practice what you have preached and throw
some missiles at Hussein Warsame ? If you do that, rest assured that the
contents of our characters would improve to your liking.
Regards,
Udub.
--
Hussein Warsame
Dear Mohamed Hussein:
It seems that you did not waste time in charging the batteries for
your missiles. I was hoping to throw the first dart at you. But it
seems that you made a pre-emptive strike. As usual, when I checked
at the newsgroup this morning for something new, I found three
messages by you mentioning me in person. In one of them, you
actually referred to me as your friend. In the next breath,
you accusing me of pursuing narrow interests, which include acting
as Amina'a GODFATHER. In the current response, you wrote:
> Dear Hussein Warsame,
>
> Siad Barre would not take you off the hook. You minimized the
> contributions of some of the posters while maximizing the contributions of
> others, why ?
>
> Regards,
> Udub.
> --
I will not respond to the Siad Barre part. He is dead, and we would
never
know what he would do. But I must say that when I was responding to
your original message, accusing me of creating heavyweights, I thought
you were talking about yourself and Jama Barre. I never thought, you
were referring to Amina.
Mohamed, just as I believe that you are good at what you do, I also
believe that Amina is good at pursuing social issues, like the
bleaching cream and its social and cultural implications. I do not
see how any body could take an issue with that.
In your response to Jama Barre, you accused me again of pursuing
narrow interests. You also accused me of minimizing Atto's
contribution to this cave. Mohamed, there is nothing in my message
that indicates this. But, I am sure you already know that. Atto
is a towering figure in this cave. You know it, he knows it, and I
know it. We also know that an aside talk describing how the Romantic
GOOGAA between him and Maryan used to brighten my day does not belittle
his contribution to the cave. But, I am sure you know that already.
Mohamed, in my earlier response, I told you to enjoy the "spotlight"
while you can for I will take part in throwing darts at you. I some
how knew that I will receive pre-emptive darts from you for saying
that. However, I have to confess that I did not expect them to be
dirty darts. I also did not expect that you would put Jama Barre
and Isse in such a difficult position by asking them to take part
in this scheme of yours, whatever it is. I also did not expect that
you will reactivate the "Phoney Victim Card" thread. I now know that
I should not have prodded you to charge your missiles. They are full
of dirty darts. This is the first time in our long friendship that
I could not understand where you are coming from. I do not know,
whether this is good or bad.
Regards
Hussein Warsame
Mohamed, I am taking some days off from my work and my computer. We will
continue our discussion after that.
Regards,
Hussein Warsame.
MUHAMMED HUSSEIN wrote:
>
> Dear Hussein Warsame,
>
> Siad Barre would not take you off the hook. You minimized the
> contributions of some of the posters while maximizing the contributions of
> others, why ?
>
> Regards,
> Udub.
> --
Jama I. Barreh
Dear Udub,
I have to say that I did not detect a minimization of Atto's
contributions to the cave. As we all know Atto expresses himself
in very elequent (sp?) metaphors and I thought that hussein
Warsame was trying to convey to others that side of Atto.
Never the less , Atto is capable of sending few rockets towards
Warsame if he felt offended.
Indeed our character is damaged (as a people)and we do look the other
way and say nothing when we should. This silence cost us more than 30
years of "freedom" , uncounted number of lifes and made us a generation
of refugees both inside and outside the country.
I thought about our "character" because it is apparent that we
are a generation of moral dwarfs. Nothing stirs us to action but
a clan and only for destructive causes. So, it is good to start
somewhere but ,dear Udub ,I doubt defending Atto from a perceived
slight is going to build any character for us.
jama
Mohamud Cisman
Omar Y. Othman wrote:
> 2. What somebody writes on this wall no one should take it
> seriously because all brains are not created equal. In
> here, I am talking about devil advocating.
Yes you are right Mr Othman.However,when one presents an argument in
favour or against some important issues he/she expects others to debate
in good faith.I personally wouldn't mind if I am disagreed upon as long
as the other debater presents valid and plousible points to back his/her
viewpoints up.I know peoples' brains are not created equal.Differently
stated,disagreeing on issues is what we are all here for.My point is
that people should disagree when they honestly think so,but disagreeing
with someone on the basis of devil advocating is awfully off the
mark,and anything that can be done to stop or minimize that would be
highly desirable.Turning this group in to a moderated one could achieve
that end.
>
> 3. On the other hand moderated newsgroups do not represent
> the issues from all sides and can be controlled by one
> group and as an example look no further than Soc.culture.
> Ethiopia.moderated. Nobody really contributes in that
> newsgroup because of the censorship of opinions based
> on ones believes, in other words ones ethnicity. The
> same thing is true for other moderated newsgroups which
> are controlled by a group be they share an ideology or
> ethnicity or whatever. For example Soc.Culture.Ethiopia.
> Moderated for lack of contributorship selects articles
> from SCE and posts them on SCE-moderated.
Mr Othman you have raised a valid points against moderation I have to
admit.When I was suggesting moderation I didn't think about who the
moderator would be.Perhaps I should have given this a thought.Although
the discussions here at SCS outrageously derail occasionally ,I wouldn't
want a moderator from one ethnic group.That would be equally awful,or
much worse I have to admit. It would be great though,if we could have a
Somali moderator who were transplanted with NON-SOMALI BRAIN.:-)This
moderator wouldn't see things in terms of clan.:-) Does it make sense?
> BTW, I enjoy the objectivity you display in your postings at all
> times.
Thank you for complimenting my articles.
SOO BARI.
CISMAN.
Omar Y. Othman
Mohamud Cisman wrote:
> Yes you are right Mr Othman.However,when one presents an argument in
> favour or against some important issues he/she expects others to debate
> in good faith.I personally wouldn't mind if I am disagreed upon as long
> as the other debater presents valid and plousible points to back
> his/her
> viewpoints up.I know peoples' brains are not created equal.Differently
> stated,disagreeing on issues is what we are all here for.My point is
> that people should disagree when they honestly think so,but disagreeing
> with someone on the basis of devil advocating is awfully off the
> mark,and anything that can be done to stop or minimize that would be
> highly desirable.Turning this group in to a moderated one could achieve
> that end.
I concur with you every word. If you mean turning non-devil advocaters
into a moderted newsgroup, we will still have the tendencies of
censorship imposed on possibly good postings. There was a moderated
newsgroup in which one of the three moderators went on vacation and
wrote a script to approve his friends postings whilst he was away
and usenet could not do anything about it until he returned. Usenet
has since changed some of its regulations, but still removing
moderators is not very simple.
> Mr Othman you have raised a valid points against moderation I have to
> admit.When I was suggesting moderation I didn't think about who the
> moderator would be.Perhaps I should have given this a thought.Although
> the discussions here at SCS outrageously derail occasionally ,I wouldn't
> want a moderator from one ethnic group.That would be equally awful,or
> much worse I have to admit. It would be great though,if we could have a
> Somali moderator who were transplanted with NON-SOMALI BRAIN.:-)This
> moderator wouldn't see things in terms of clan.:-) Does it make sense?
It makes sense in a perfect world but we dont live in one. As Somalis
we tend to look things through the spectrum of clanscope and there
will always be dissent and they wont be a minority either. The reason
I support the non-moderated is I susbcribe to the eye for an eye
realm and it works for me very well.
Keep up the good work Cisman.
Peace on earth,
Boondheere
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