RIP (or not) : Bad guy John Friel
La N
IRA millionaire gangster dies of stroke
Aug 23 2009 Norman Silvester
A MILLIONAIRE gangster and IRA fundraiser has died, aged 65.
John Friel, who had recently suffered a stroke, was found dead by his
daughter Elizabeth at his home in Croftfoot, Glasgow.
He was named one of Scotland's richest crooks in a Sunday Mail probe six
years ago.
But his vast property empire and dirty fortune was untouched by proceeds of
crime laws.
One police source said: "Good riddance to him. He was responsible for much
death and misery during a life of crime."
Friel, nicknamed Irish John, was jailed in 1985 after travelling to London
to buy cocaine. Three years later, one of his sons died of a drugs overdose.
He had previously done time after being caught with a gun and explosives in
1971.
Friel was an associate of Glasgow crook Manus O'Donnell, who was killed in
1998 in a drugs war. Both backed the Irish republican cause and Friel raised
cash for the IRA at the height of the Troubles.
Last night, the Friel family refused to comment.
conwaycaine
"La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Your point being??
La N
Ehhh .... no great point. Except that it is Scottish content and an
opportunity to say good riddance to a bad guy.
Friend of yours or something?
- nilita
Jane Margaret Laight
> conwaycaine wrote:
> > "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >>http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/08/23/ira-million...
>
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now, now, you two.
This is Nil's contribution to our thread drift (and thanx Nil) that
had me remembering hot nights in the back room of "Tierney's Old
House" (since defunct) in Boston a lifetime ago and watching little
old ladies plunk down ten bucks for Irish Relief after a couple of
sherries...
These are rather interesting times, if you follow the old Chinese
curse, and things are a little strained; however, like swine flu,
streetcars, and farts in the night, all this will pass...
relax, Conway
JML
you oughta be a Scot in DC these days, my friend
La N
Thanks, sistah JML. There is a real clash of cultures in these groups which
causes a lot of confusion at times ... :)
- nilita
Allan
"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> :
> :"La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> I think it's obvious. It shows where the IRA got a lot of their
> funding (and it wasn't from NORAID in the United States).
>
> --
> "It's always different. It's always complex.
Quite it is complex of course the IRA got funding from various places.
Criminal activity was one of them, as was ironically enough funding from
Libya, but that doesn't mean that it didn't receive significant funding from
Americans also.
Allan
conwaycaine
Lord no, Nilita.
I've no truck with mobsters of any stripe.
conwaycaine
"Jane Margaret Laight" <jml2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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now, now, you two.
relax, Conway
*******
I've a cousin what lives in Scituate (the Irish Riviera)
She took me on a tour of South Boston.
It was a little dicey at first but when she introduced me, it was as though
I had been reunited with a very large family.
I still remember walking down Broadway with this vast entourage of Southies
escorting me.
And when I fired up a couple of the old Irish Rebel songs enroute, the
cheers could be heard all the way to Nob Hill.
God, I love the Irish.
Jeffrey Hamilton
> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>
> :"La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> funding
Does it ? Why do you say that ? What proof do you have ?
>(and it wasn't from NORAID in the United States).
How do you know how much was raised by NORAID ?
Do you have a source ?
cheers.....Jeff
The Phantom Piper
>
> Again, this stuff isn't difficult to find
> if you actually care about the truth
What conclusion are we to draw, then, from your
oft-demonstrated inability to find the Truth of matters?
I Wonder...,
The Phantom Piper
Allan
> "Allan" <al...@noemail.co.uk> wrote:
> :
> :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> :news:c84395dp0t6c7v4hj...@4ax.com...
> :>
> :> I think it's obvious. It shows where the IRA got a lot of their
> :> funding (and it wasn't from NORAID in the United States).
> :
> :Quite it is complex of course the IRA got funding from various places.
> :Criminal activity was one of them, as was ironically enough funding from
> :Libya, but that doesn't mean that it didn't receive significant funding
> from
> :Americans also.
>
> Ok, we're down from claims of NORAID being the overwhelming majority
> of IRA funding to it being 'significant'.
If you can show where I ever claimed that then you can throw it at me. I
responded to your comment where you seemed to state that they didn't get a
lot of their funding from Noraid. You didn't say the overwhelming majority.
Allan
Nebulous
> :> "Allan" <al...@noemail.co.uk> wrote:
> :> :
> :> :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> :> :news:c84395dp0t6c7v4hj...@4ax.com...
> :> :>
> :> :> I think it's obvious. It shows where the IRA got a lot of their
> :> :> funding (and it wasn't from NORAID in the United States).
> :> :>
> :> :
> :> :Quite it is complex of course the IRA got funding from various places.
> :> :Criminal activity was one of them, as was ironically enough funding
> from
> :> :Libya, but that doesn't mean that it didn't receive significant
> funding from
> :> :Americans also.
> :> :
> :>
> :> Ok, we're down from claims of NORAID being the overwhelming majority
> :> of IRA funding to it being 'significant'.
> :
> :If you can show where I ever claimed that then you can throw it at me.
> :
>
> Neb, which started this whole tiresome discussion again. You then
> offered up "significant" in place of "majority".
My first post was ill-judged and not very well written, partly because I was
hurrying to leave the house. I would not want to stand by that post, and
accept it was wrong. I posted again around an hour later when I said "The
IRA received much of their funding from America."
I didn't say Noraid.
My whole point was to try and explain why terrorist discussions with Brits
always come back to the IRA. There is a strongly held perception here that
America did not take the IRA seriously enough. I'm not talking about the
individual supporters either. In some ways I can understand that people from
strong Irish-American families would support the IRA. There was always a
feeling that the apparatus of government never came to grips with the issues
of funding, extradition and gun-running, partly because it could have
offended a broader Irish-American lobby.
Part of the reason would be people like this:-
http://www.nysun.com/national/rep-king-and-the-ira-the-end-of-an-extraordinary/15853/
You may regard him as a renegade but he was the public face of American
opinion for some people. Just as we regard George Galloway as a bit of a
fruitcake but for many Americans he represented British views on Iraq.
On my recent visit to The Gordon Highlander Museum (they were our local
regiment) I took 3 photos.
The first shows a cap with a bullet hole through the top from a sniper. The
soldier had an extremely lucky escape. The second shows an armalite rifle
captured from the IRA in Ireland. The third is an information plaque saying
2 of 6 Gordon's killed in the troubles were shot by snipers.
The plaque then goes on to say:-
"Ironically this particular type of rifle was made in Britain under licence
from the original American manufacturer. They were heavily used by the IRA
and were bought in the United States with money raised from local Irish
communities."
When I get a chance I will put the photos on the web.
This document probably contradicts my argument - but it is the closest I
have found to accounts for the IRA.
http://www.ex.ac.uk/politics/pol_data/lectures/ARTICLES/Audrey.doc
It gives a figure of �1.5 million from overseas subsidiaries. It says they
were based on published figures by Noraid of from $160k to $800k per year.
However it accepts that could be an underestimate and says another source
(Mckinley) gives a figure of $4million per year being remitted from the US
to Ireland.
The book at this link claims Bill Clinton lifted a ban on fund-raising
associated with St Patricks Day in the US and since then security forces
claimed Sinn Fein had netted between �15 and �20 million.
Neb
Allan
> :> "Allan" <al...@noemail.co.uk> wrote:
> :> :
> :> :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> :> :news:c84395dp0t6c7v4hj...@4ax.com...
> :> :>
> :> :> I think it's obvious. It shows where the IRA got a lot of their
> :> :> funding (and it wasn't from NORAID in the United States).
> :> :>
> :> :
> :> :Quite it is complex of course the IRA got funding from various places.
> :> :Criminal activity was one of them, as was ironically enough funding
> from
> :> :Libya, but that doesn't mean that it didn't receive significant
> funding from
> :> :Americans also.
> :> :
> :>
> :> Ok, we're down from claims of NORAID being the overwhelming majority
> :> of IRA funding to it being 'significant'.
> :
> :If you can show where I ever claimed that then you can throw it at me.
> :
>
> Neb,
But what Neb said or didnt' say has nothing to do with me. We aren't the
Borg or something but all completely individual beings. I commented on your
post and the idea that just because they got funding from place A discounts
any funding from place B.
Allan
Jeffrey Hamilton
> their money from drug deals
Is it ?
Do you have a cite for that, Fred ? Did you mean drug deals in America too,
by the way ?
I realize that NORAID, has _only_been in existance for 40 years Fred, but
they have been collecting a lot of money during those 40 years. I'd be
willing to bet there were other groups before NORAID too. The Fenians for
example, were actively supporting a free Irish state back in the 19th. C.
> and Libya.
A distant third at best. America being number 2 *after* Ireland. But do
supply a cite for your assertion, if you can that is.
>
>>> (and it wasn't from NORAID in the United States).
>>
>> How do you know how much was raised by NORAID ?
>> Do you have a source ?
>>
>
> Yeah. The publicity director of NORAID. US intelligence sources
> agree with the number, although they disagree with the claim that none
> of the money went for weapons. US intelligence says that as much as
> 75% of it went for weapons and explosives.
Ah yes, the NORAID site (pure as driven snow I'm sure), now whilst it does
supply some figures, the usual H&R Block tax declaration etc., it doesn't
give any figures for 'under the table contributions' of course and of course
it doesn't mention 'weapons procurement' (including theft from US Federal
sources), nor smuggling, nor drug deals and money laundering and of course
it doesn't mention safe houses.
>
> British intelligence sources put the number much lower ($145,000 per
> year), according to reports in Time Magazine.
Possibly some monies *not declared* by NORAID, or from other American/Irish
groups supporting the terrorists ? I have no doubt that NORAID and others
were infiltrated, but I also believe that some of the American agencies were
possibly infiltrated by American republicans in return.
Give us a cite to look at, that proves your assertion.
> Again, this stuff isn't difficult to find if you actually care >about the
> truth, Jeff.
That is true Fred, you should probably heed your own words and begin to give
more *cites* with your statements and thus we'll know that you aren't just
pulling facts and/or figures out of the air, or possibly your fundament.
cheers.....Jeff
"Freddie experienced the sort of abysmal soul-sadness which afflicts one
of Tolstoy's Russian peasants when, after putting in a heavy day's work
strangling his father, beating his wife, and dropping the baby in the
reservoir, he turns to the cupboard only to find the vodka bottle empty".
P G Wodehouse - Jill the Reckless
Jeffrey Hamilton
> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>> Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> :"La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:rEckm.40367$Db2.37097@edtnps83...
>>>>>>> http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/08/23/ira-millionaire-gangster-dies-of-stroke-78057-21617991/
>>>>>>>
> to suck eggs" when he started lecturing me over things I knew better
> than he does. The phrase was apparently new to him and he freaked
> out....
Fred, for quite some time now, I have been not only lecturing, but also
teaching _you_, a great many things you that you mistakenly thought you
knew,. What exactly was this particular episode about, there have been so
many, do _you_ actually remember ? Can you actually recall it ? Can _you_
actually post it here ? I doubt it.
cheers....Jeff
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is only stupid."
Thats Fred, that is.
Jeffrey Hamilton
> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>
>> What exactly was this particular episode about, there have been so
>> many, do _you_ actually remember ? Can you actually recall it ? Can
>> _you_ actually post it here ? I doubt it.
>>
>
> forth on how crack has higher penalties just because it's for 'po
> folk'. You then proceeded to lecture me on the metric system (which
> I've been using since before the better part of you dripped down your
> mother's leg). The exchange took place from 9/15/08 to 9/18/08.
>
> Let me post a bit of it for you:
>
> :"Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>
>> :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:bk8uc4hehs8i6fu62...@4ax.com...
>>>> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hint: 5 grams = 0.17 oz
>>>>>
>>>>> 500 grams = 1 lb and 1.63 oz
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hint: Why don't you run along and teach your grandmother to suck
>>>> eggs...
>>>
>>> You know 'ass-hat', your rudeness is really starting to piss me off.
>>> Here's a 'virtual' bag o' salt, now go and pound it up your
>>> miserable arse! Rude prickkkkk
>>>
>>
>> Then stop assuming people are stupid and don't understand simple
>> things like the metric system.
>>
>> You ain't seen rude, sonny, but you will if you start acting like a
>> dickhead...
>>
>
> The preceding was posted on 9/16/08. There's your original 'lecture'
> on the metric system, my remark about teaching your grandmother to
> suck eggs (an old colloquialism - go look it up), and your
> subsequently flipping out because you apparently don't know what the
> phrase means.
>
> This OUGHT to leave you feeling like quite the idiot, but I'm betting
> it doesn't. Perhaps you could have someone explain it all to you...
*B-I-N-G-O*, Fred, do you have any idea *how many times* you've posted you
didn't remember what the discussion was about ? And yet, you have done that
exact thing each and every time you've mentioned this incident, Fred and
everytime you did so, *you were lying*.
I just *sucked YOU into telling the truth*, Fred. I'd noticed you have been
slipping-up of late, regarding this incident, you've been gradually adding a
little more info here and there regarding this incident and I just saw an
opportunity to flush you out. You lying *sack o' shite*.
Priceless.........absolutely priceless.
This incident is one of a several of *B-I-G* lies Fred has been telling
about me on various NG's. I'll reveal more of this in a different post at
another time.
cheers.......Jeff
La N
"Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
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> > This incident is one of a several of *B-I-G* lies Fred has been telling
> about me on various NG's. I'll reveal more of this in a different post at
> another time.
>
Please don't bother. Do you realize that if you keep reposting F***s crap
from another newsgroup you're going to end up back in people's killfiles
along with your nemesis ... ?
S Viemeister
I was just thinking the same thing.
Fifeshire Floozie
> This incident is one of a several of *B-I-G* lies Fred has been
> telling about me on various NG's. I'll reveal more of this in a
> different post at another time.
>
Please don't bother Jeff. I'm fairly certain most of us aren't in the
least little bit interested!
Jane Margaret Laight
>
> >> What exactly was this particular episode about, there have been so
> >> many, do _you_ actually remember ? Can you actually recall it ? Can
> >> _you_ actually post it here ? I doubt it.
>
> > Oh, just by the way, we were discussing cocaine. You were holding
> > forth on how crack has higher penalties just because it's for 'po
> > folk'. You then proceeded to lecture me on the metric system (which
> > I've been using since before the better part of you dripped down your
> > mother's leg). The exchange took place from 9/15/08 to 9/18/08.
>
> > Let me post a bit of it for you:
>
>
> >> :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:bk8uc4hehs8i6fu62...@4ax.com...
>
> - Show quoted text -
Jeff, thanks, but no thanks--no real need to do so.
JML
a nice walk midst the trees may well be in order
Jeffrey Hamilton
If I put a Fred face on a squirrel, will you shoot it ? :)
cheers....Jeff
ooommmmmm.....