Line too long - was Highland clearances
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers
"MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
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> > "MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote
> > > Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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> > > > "MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote
> > >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> > > > Mary, Hiya frae sunny Kelty in The Kingdom. Dunfermline's aye whaur
it
> > > > yaised ti bi. Mibbie a wee puckle bigger nor it wiz. Muckle lumps
hae
> > bin
> > > > ca'd doon tae pit new bits up. It's no ower bad mind. It still taks
a
> > > > muckle lang shankit spin tae sup wi a Fifer tae. <grin>
> > >
> > > I definitely remember the last part of your paragraph and also
remember
> > "so
> > > and so is a "fly fifer".
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > I don't know everything you said in your message about Muckle lumps,
> etc.
> > I
> > > know what muckle lumps are but I don't know what "new bits up" is. I
> > > remember there was a coal mine in Kelty and one in Blairhall and one
at
> > > Comrie. Again, my mother used to mention them.
> >
> > He's telling you that they have knocked down lots of buildings and put
up
> > lots of new ones ;-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Helen
>
> Haha! - Helen - Do you speak Scottish all the time with Scottish relatives
> or friends here?
> I used to get all the sayings from my mother and from what I remembered
when
> I lived in Dunfermline. And as you know, even places a few miles away from
> where you lived over there, would say words that you were not familar
with..
> I remember when I lived in the old country, that every summer I used to go
> to Carluke (near Lanark way), and my cousins would say certain words or
> phrases I had not heard before. They spoke with more of a Glasgow accent.
>
> I guess the Fife people spoke a little different. I have a friend here ,
> originally from Edinburgh and her accent is very similar to Fifers.
>
> Mary
>
>
Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
Now that is a co-incidence, Mary. I was born just outside East Calder which
is not too far from Carluke. Even East Calder was more like Edinburgh than
Glasgow but you are right they do speak with a slight West Of Scotland
accent at Carluke. I have a bit of a mixture of accents myself as my Grand
Parents brought me up in Mid Lothian and they were from the Borders and East
Lothian. I then moved to the outskirts of Edinburgh but have worked in Fife
since 1952 and lived there since 1962. I also have mixed well with the
people on the East Coast from Dundee to Aberdeen. I dare say some of all
these accents have rubbed off on me through the years.
--
Aefauldlie,
Auld Bob Peffers,
b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk
Web Site, *The Eck's Files*
http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk/
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers
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> > Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> > Mary, Hiya frae sunny Kelty in The Kingdom. Dunfermline's aye whaur it
> > yaised ti bi. Mibbie a wee puckle bigger nor it wiz. Muckle lumps hae
bin
> > ca'd doon tae pit new bits up. It's no ower bad mind. It still taks a
> muckle
> > lang shankit spin tae sup wi a Fifer tae. <grin>
>
> I definitely remember the last part of your paragraph and also remember
"so
> and so is a "fly fifer".
>
> would mention that so and so lived in Kelty. It seemed a long way from
> Dunfermline at the time when I lived there. I did not know anyone in
Kelty,
> but my grandmothers mother and sister lived at a small row of cottages on
> the way to Kelty called Gask Farm. Do you know of it? Its probably gone
long
> ago. It was very old buildings even then.
The Gask Farm was just a shell when I first went to live in Kelty, (1962).
There was only parts of the walls standing but both gable ends were still
intact. Some years ago someone bought the old place and moved into a
residential caravan on the site. They started work on the old place and they
first restored a small building that I took to be the old wash house. They
then started on the main part of the building. Using the original stone,
which they cleaned up as they progressed, resulted in a very beautiful house
which they named, *House Of Gask*. They are still making improvements but
now it is just, *Guiding The Lily*.
> I think I had to take the Saline
> bus as I recall, but I am not sure. I used to take the bus there when I
was
> a kid and visit them.
You may have taken the Saline bus but it is more likely you took the, *Kelty
via Gask*, bus as the Saline road runs past the Eastern end of the Gask
Road. Who knows, you may even have travelled on a bus conducted by the World
Famous, *Kelty Clippie*.
> I think Dunfermline is quite a lot bigger than
> Kelty -;)
Yes Mary, Dunfermline is a good deal bigger than Kelty. The Muckle lumps bit
I spoke about was, *They have knocked down large bits of Dunfermline and
built new housing to replace the old property*.
> I don't know everything you said in your message about Muckle lumps, etc.
I
> know what muckle lumps are but I don't know what "new bits up" is. I
> remember there was a coal mine in Kelty and one in Blairhall and one at
> Comrie. Again, my mother used to mention them.
There were, in fact, several coal mines in Kelty which, during the war, had
the largest mining complex in Britain
>
> I don't get any chance to talk Scottish these days. My mother and older
> sister and brother all died within the past 5 years and there is only my
> younger brother and myself and we only talked Scottish with my mother.
> Dunfermline was a great place to grow up in and the Glen was so nice. It
was
> our focal point and main interest. I have many relatives who live mostly
in
> Townhill, just outside Dunfermline. Don't talk to them very much. My
mother
> was the main intermediary and with her gone, its just not the same.
The Glen is still very beautiful and we often go to Dunfermline via
Townhill. The old Townhill Electric Generating Plant has been demolished and
Townhill Loch has been cleaned up. The whole area is now a very nice Country
Park. Incidentally the Mining areas of Kelty have also had a makeover and I
look out on a beautiful Country Park in Lochore Meadows. Fife would probably
look a little strange to you now for there is not a single pit bing in
sight.
>
> Nice talking with you.
>
> Mary
>
And it has been nice talking to you too, Mary.
*Cam awa ben the group onytime an bide a wee*. (Come and join us in the
group anytime and stay for a while).
--
Aefauldlie, (Scots for Sincerely),
Richard Kaulfuss
<b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Yes Mary, Dunfermline is a good deal bigger than Kelty. The Muckle lumps bit
>I spoke about was, *They have knocked down large bits of Dunfermline and
>built new housing to replace the old property*.
>
Aye, and they're needing to knock down the rest of it. The town is an eyesore.
Actually, there's not much new housing in Dunfermline per se - it's nearly all in
greenfield developments round the periphery, and in the outlying villages. The
town centre developments consist mainly of car parks, a retail park and a
shopping mall. Falkirk, with half the population, has a far superior shopping
centre.
--
Dick
MaryJ
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It doesn't sound like my home town is doing too well - kind of disappointing
to hear.
Mary
MaryJ
I didn't notice this message for a day since the subject line was changed.
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> > "MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
> > I came to Canada when I was 15 and remember Kelty quite well. My mother
> > would mention that so and so lived in Kelty. It seemed a long way from
> > Dunfermline at the time when I lived there. I did not know anyone in
> Kelty,
> > but my grandmothers mother and sister lived at a small row of cottages
on
> > the way to Kelty called Gask Farm. Do you know of it? Its probably gone
> long
> > ago. It was very old buildings even then.
>
> The Gask Farm was just a shell when I first went to live in Kelty, (1962).
> There was only parts of the walls standing but both gable ends were still
> intact. Some years ago someone bought the old place and moved into a
> residential caravan on the site. They started work on the old place and
they
> first restored a small building that I took to be the old wash house. They
> then started on the main part of the building. Using the original stone,
> which they cleaned up as they progressed, resulted in a very beautiful
house
> which they named, *House Of Gask*. They are still making improvements but
> now it is just, *Guiding The Lily*.
Well, when I lived in Dunfermline in the 50's, the old houses were stilll
there,but I'm not surprised they are not there now. I can imagine the new
place looks very nice. It would be very interesting to see.
> > I think I had to take the Saline
> > bus as I recall, but I am not sure. I used to take the bus there when I
> was
> > a kid and visit them.
>
> You may have taken the Saline bus but it is more likely you took the,
*Kelty
> via Gask*, bus as the Saline road runs past the Eastern end of the Gask
> Road. Who knows, you may even have travelled on a bus conducted by the
World
> Famous, *Kelty Clippie*.
I think you are probably right about the bus. It was the Kelty bus via
Gask.Now, of course, you have made me wonder who was Kelty Clippie?". I was
only about 12 and 14 years old when I used to go on that bus so I wouldn't
know who Kelty Clippie was? Was it a bus conductor? (conductress)?
If I were to be going to Dunfermline now,I wouldn't have a clue about how
much buses were or even anything about the money. I do remember though that
the transit system as to buses going to different places was very good. You
could get a bus going anywhere. I had an aunt lived at Pattiesmuir which is
down by Limekilns and went there often and you had to get off at the end of
the road and walk quite a long way. Probably nobody would know where
Pattiesmuir was. It was just a small hamlet. Its probably still there.
> > I think Dunfermline is quite a lot bigger than
> > Kelty -;)
>
> Yes Mary, Dunfermline is a good deal bigger than Kelty. The Muckle lumps
bit
> I spoke about was, *They have knocked down large bits of Dunfermline and
> built new housing to replace the old property*.
I don't think I was ever in Kelty.
> The Glen is still very beautiful and we often go to Dunfermline via
> Townhill. The old Townhill Electric Generating Plant has been demolished
and
> Townhill Loch has been cleaned up. The whole area is now a very nice
Country
> Park. Incidentally the Mining areas of Kelty have also had a makeover and
I
> look out on a beautiful Country Park in Lochore Meadows. Fife would
probably
> look a little strange to you now for there is not a single pit bing in
> sight.
The Glen was my main gathering spot in Dunfermline. When I went to school
over there, I remember the Gala Day very well. It was a very exciting event.
I know they still have it.
As to Townhill, most of my relatives live there. My aunt was M.A.Wilson. She
started M.A.Wilson building materials - started out with coal delivery in
the late 1920's and now they have a lot of lorries seen around Dunfermline
and Townhill. My aunt's granddaughter now runs the business.
> > Nice talking with you.
> >
> > Mary
> >
> And it has been nice talking to you too, Mary.
> *Cam awa ben the group onytime an bide a wee*. (Come and join us in the
> group anytime and stay for a while).
Thank you. I will be around for now anyway.
.
Mary
MaryJ
from
> > where you lived over there, would say words that you were not familar
> with..
> > I remember when I lived in the old country, that every summer I used to
go
> > to Carluke (near Lanark way), and my cousins would say certain words or
> > phrases I had not heard before. They spoke with more of a Glasgow
accent.
> >
> > I guess the Fife people spoke a little different. I have a friend here ,
> > originally from Edinburgh and her accent is very similar to Fifers.
> >
> > Mary
> >
> >
> Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> Now that is a co-incidence, Mary. I was born just outside East Calder
which
> is not too far from Carluke.
I don't remember exactly where East Calder was, but I've heard of it.
Even East Calder was more like Edinburgh than
> Glasgow but you are right they do speak with a slight West Of Scotland
> accent at Carluke.
Even when I was young, I noticed that my cousins in Carluke spoke very much
like Glasgow people. One of my cousins lives here in Toronto and came to
Canada when she was about 14 and still sounds a bit like people from Glasgow
who seem to have their own unique kind of accent. The one Scottish friend I
talk to fairly regularly from Dunfermline is my old friend since I first
went to school and she doesn't sound much like my Carluke cousins. I was 15
when I came here, and have only a slight Scottish accent, but I would talk
Scottish with my mother, but since she is gone, I am not very used to it.
Carluke is a very small place as you know, but I always liked it there. We
used to go to Motherwell, Wishaw, etc. I still have some relatives there but
haven't heard of them for years.
I have a bit of a mixture of accents myself as my Grand
> Parents brought me up in Mid Lothian and they were from the Borders and
East
> Lothian. I then moved to the outskirts of Edinburgh but have worked in
Fife
> since 1952 and lived there since 1962. I also have mixed well with the
> people on the East Coast from Dundee to Aberdeen. I dare say some of all
> these accents have rubbed off on me through the years.
Yes, I can believe you would have a lot of dialects mixed in. I always
thought Edinburgh and Dunfermline people sounded very similar.
Mary
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers
Err! What do you think Pitcorthie is then? What do you think the area from
Touch towards Halbeath is then? What do you think the area alongside the M90
and down as far as the Dales is then? That is a lot of new housing and
developement in my book.
--
Aefauldlie,
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers
"Alan Hardie" <axha...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
No but it can be downwind of Mossmorran though.
--
Aefauldlie,
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers
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> I didn't notice this message for a day since the subject line was changed.
>
> snip
>
> > > "MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
> Well, when I lived in Dunfermline in the 50's, the old houses were stilll
> there,but I'm not surprised they are not there now. I can imagine the new
> place looks very nice. It would be very interesting to see.
>
>
> I think you are probably right about the bus. It was the Kelty bus via
> Gask.Now, of course, you have made me wonder who was Kelty Clippie?". I
was
> only about 12 and 14 years old when I used to go on that bus so I wouldn't
> know who Kelty Clippie was? Was it a bus conductor? (conductress)?
"The Clippie Kelty", is a very well known folk song and you can get the
words at this URL:-
http://mysongbook.de/msb/songs/k/keltycli.html
>
> If I were to be going to Dunfermline now,I wouldn't have a clue about how
> much buses were or even anything about the money. I do remember though
that
> the transit system as to buses going to different places was very good.
You
> could get a bus going anywhere. I had an aunt lived at Pattiesmuir which
is
> down by Limekilns and went there often and you had to get off at the end
of
> the road and walk quite a long way. Probably nobody would know where
> Pattiesmuir was. It was just a small hamlet. Its probably still there.
Yes Pattismuir is still there.
--
Aefauldlie,
MaryJ
> > I think you are probably right about the bus. It was the Kelty bus via
> > Gask.Now, of course, you have made me wonder who was Kelty Clippie?". I
> was
> > only about 12 and 14 years old when I used to go on that bus so I
wouldn't
> > know who Kelty Clippie was? Was it a bus conductor? (conductress)?
>
> "The Clippie Kelty", is a very well known folk song and you can get the
> words at this URL:-
> http://mysongbook.de/msb/songs/k/keltycli.html
I checked out that site and saw the words. Its quite funny. Never heard it
before. Must have been after my time or before my time - not sure which -;)
> > could get a bus going anywhere. I had an aunt lived at Pattiesmuir which
> is
> > down by Limekilns and went there often and you had to get off at the end
> of
> > the road and walk quite a long way. Probably nobody would know where
> > Pattiesmuir was. It was just a small hamlet. Its probably still there.
>
> Yes Pattismuir is still there.
You seem to know all the places I used to go to. Pattiesmuir was such a
small place, even when I lived there and mentioined it, people would say
"where is that?" - usually people wouldn't know about it, unless someone
they knew lived there.. You must admit, it was a very out of the way place -
kind of like a time warp place. Had a lot of charm.
> > > The Glen is still very beautiful and we often go to Dunfermline via
> > > Townhill. The old Townhill Electric Generating Plant has been
demolished
> > and
> > > Townhill Loch has been cleaned up. The whole area is now a very nice
> > Country
> > > Park. Incidentally the Mining areas of Kelty have also had a makeover
> and
> > I
> > > look out on a beautiful Country Park in Lochore Meadows. Fife would
> > probably
> > > look a little strange to you now for there is not a single pit bing in
> > > sight.
I don't think I ever saw the mining areas of Kelty. I more or less was
confined to Dunfermline and Townhill areas, except my mother often took me
to Edinburgh and Glasgow, and she particularly liked Kirkcaldy for shopping.
My mother often spoke about Blairhall Pit. Her first husband was killed in a
mining accident. He was only 29 and I think it was Blairhall. That was in
the 1930's.
> > As to Townhill, most of my relatives live there. My aunt was M.A.Wilson.
> She
> > started M.A.Wilson building materials - started out with coal delivery
in
> > the late 1920's and now they have a lot of lorries seen around
Dunfermline
> > and Townhill. My aunt's granddaughter now runs the business.
I forgot to mention something about Townhill - My son was in Scotland about
4 years ago and went to see some of the relatives at Townhill and mentioned
about Townhill Loch being a leisure centre, and I didn't believe him. I told
my older brother about it he just laughed. My grandmother lived on Loch St.
just up from the Loch and my mother was born in Kingseat, moved to Lanark
for a short time, then to Townhill so all were familiar with the Townhill
loch.
When I used to visit my grandmother, I would walk down to the loch and I
used to think (even as a kid) that it had a lot of junk in it - people threw
a lot of junk in there. Must have cost a fortune to clean it up. Also, I
don't think that loch was very big. If I go over there, its one of the first
things I would want to see.
Mary
Helen Ramsay
> Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message
> > > > > "MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
>
> > > I think you are probably right about the bus. It was the Kelty bus
via
> > > Gask.Now, of course, you have made me wonder who was Kelty Clippie?".
I
> > was
> > > only about 12 and 14 years old when I used to go on that bus so I
> wouldn't
> > > know who Kelty Clippie was? Was it a bus conductor? (conductress)?
You can hear it being sung here Mary.
http://www.folkmusic.net/htmfiles/sounds_genlnav.htm
It also has Pittenweem Joe and John Thomson.
Cheers,
Helen
Chic McGregor
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>> Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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>> I didn't notice this message for a day since the subject line was changed.
>>
>> snip
>>
>> > > "MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
>snip
>> Well, when I lived in Dunfermline in the 50's, the old houses were stilll
>> there,but I'm not surprised they are not there now. I can imagine the new
>> place looks very nice. It would be very interesting to see.
>>
>snip
>>
>> I think you are probably right about the bus. It was the Kelty bus via
>> Gask.Now, of course, you have made me wonder who was Kelty Clippie?". I
>was
>> only about 12 and 14 years old when I used to go on that bus so I wouldn't
>> know who Kelty Clippie was? Was it a bus conductor? (conductress)?
>
>"The Clippie Kelty", is a very well known folk song and you can get the
>words at this URL:-
>http://mysongbook.de/msb/songs/k/keltycli.html
Aw! a ken that yin, it gaes:-
Clippie Kelty a just she's
Advice nae tak nae she'll etc. :-)
rigairds
Chic McGregor / //
ch...@schiehallion.com ////
"We have catcht Scotland and will hold her ///
fast." Speaker of the House 1707 ///
Richard Kaulfuss
> On Tue, 29 May 2001 18:20:53 GMT, dka...@boehme.demon.co.uk (Richard
> Kaulfuss) wrote:
>
>><b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Yes Mary, Dunfermline is a good deal bigger than Kelty. The Muckle lumps
>>>bit I spoke about was, *They have knocked down large bits of Dunfermline
>>>and built new housing to replace the old property*.
>>>
>> eyesore. Actually, there's not much new housing in Dunfermline per se -
>> it's nearly all in greenfield developments round the periphery, and in
>> the outlying villages. The town centre developments consist mainly of
>> car parks, a retail park and a shopping mall. Falkirk, with half the
>> population, has a far superior shopping centre.
>
> And isn't downwind of Grangemouth.
>
caused a major stink this side of the river, though my windows have
rattled a couple of times from the explosions. Fife residents are
spoiled for choice when it comes to sources of obnoxious odours. I see
that the old Lurgi plant (yes, Lesley, there really was a dreaded
lurgi!) near Cowdenbeath, which used to cloak (maybe that should be
cloaca) the district regularly with odd smells, is going to start
burning chicken shit. Interesting times ahead.
Then there was the paper mill at Inverkeithing - a useful source of
atmospheric SO2.
Mustn't forget the sewage works just over the bridge, either - on warm
summer days, visitors to Fife are greeted by the aroma of some of
Dunfermline's finest. Big breaths now!
--
Dick
--
Richard Kaulfuss
Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but don't shoot me - I'm only
the messenger. I think much of the problem is due to the fact that
Dunfermline is actually a tiny town, but with a huge population - the
7th largest in Scotland - and resources and amenities simply haven't
grown apace. The result is that "smaller" towns like Falkirk, Stirling,
Perth or Ayr all have much more to offer visitors and residents alike.
--
Dick
Richard Kaulfuss
peripheral greenfield developments. No historic buildings were harmed
in the making of these Edinburgh dormitories. There is very little new
housing actually inside Dunfermline by comparison.
--
Dick
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers
Then you must have missed the, *Big Dockyard Stink*, of a few weeks ago.
Seems large shoals of, Sprattus sprattus, (or just common sprat to we common
folk), had got through the open lock gates and into the non-tidal basin.
They then died, (probably killed by pollution). The resulting stench caused
quite a stink, (so to speak) in the Rosyth locality.
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers
Well I think you could be very wrong about Dunfermline not having much to
offer. What you don't seem to have taken on board is that many things are
cheek by jowl in other places but spread over a bigger area in Dunfermline.
You mentioned one shopping precinct but Dunfermline has several shopping
areas and retail parks, one is less than two hundred yards, (Mts), from the
Kingsgate Centre. The surrounding, Dunfermline District is also fairly close
to the actual town and there are other facilities all around. Just for
instance - Rosyth, Inverkeithing, N.Queensferry and Dunfermline are really
just one big built up area. Add to this places like Hillend, Kingseat,
Halbeath, Hill O Beath which are all joined to Dunfermline with no break in
between and Dunfermline is a lot bigger than it seems at first sight.
Your statement is rather reminiscent of the story told about a local Kelty
man who went to visit Edinburgh. On his return his neighbours asked him,
*Weel! Whit div ye think o Embra Dick*, *Ach! Aa yone shops and aa yone
traffic an aa yone fowk wir mair nor a biddy cud thole*, said Dick, *bit ken
whit Ah jist didna lik wis aa yone gless abin ma heid aa the time*.
MaryJ
The main attraction of Dunfermline for me and a lot of other people (I know
it was a long time ago), but it was The Glen. You could go there any time
and see the peacocks walking around. Go to the aviary to see the birds or
the conservatory to see the exotic flowers, or go to Pavillion for afternoon
tea, or walk through the beautiful gardens. Isn't it like that any more?
Andrew Carnegie did something really good by giving the Glen to the people
of Dunfermline. And Dunfermline was the ancient capital of Scotland and has
a 12th Century Abbey and the ruins of Dunfermline Palace across the street.
I used to pass them on my way to Queen Anne High School every day, and think
that the Abbey looked very nice as it has been restored a few times, but I
thought Dunfermline Palace ruins looked pretty bad and I wondered why they
left it in that condition. Of course kids think strange things. I didn't
realize its historical value.
Mary
S Viemeister
> ....and Embra smells of a brewery.
>
> Actually, that's not so bad come to think of it..............
>
It's lost quite a bit of the brewerey smell - it's still there, but
much less than in the 60s.
Sheila
nick-durie
They both say 'aw' - sounds odd to a Dundonian, used to 'talk' being
pronounced as /ta?/. They pronounce 'treh' funny anaa, goes all diphthongy.
Mike MacKinnon
Ah, Dunfermline! The first time I ever fell in love (I was 16) was to a girl
from Dunfermline. She lived in Izatt Avenue and her dad was in the military
at Pitreavie. He didn't like me coz I had orange hair! (Early 70s!)
If you're still around, Cathy, How you doin?
Mike
Richard Kaulfuss
> >
> Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> Then you must have missed the, *Big Dockyard Stink*, of a few weeks ago.
> Seems large shoals of, Sprattus sprattus, (or just common sprat to we common
> folk), had got through the open lock gates and into the non-tidal basin.
> They then died, (probably killed by pollution). The resulting stench caused
> quite a stink, (so to speak) in the Rosyth locality.
I just forgot to mention it. I believe the seabed is a foot deep in rotting
fish ATM. I'm surprised the radiation didn't kill off the bacteria that
cause the decay.
--
Dick
MaryJ
> "MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
snip
Well, glad I brought back some nostalgic memories to you Mike -;) Can't
remember where Izatt Avenue was. Surely he didn't dislike you because you
had red hair (was it really orange?). I presume your hair has darkened up
somewhat or grayed up -;)
Mary
MaryJ
Helen: I tried that URL above a few times yesterday and today and I can
access the web page but the blue line loading in the information seems to
get stuck in the middle and never goes any further, so maybe that site it
very busy. do you have any trouble accessing it? I have no trouble with any
other web sites.
Mary
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers
> Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message
> > > > > "MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
>
> When I used to visit my grandmother, I would walk down to the loch and I
> used to think (even as a kid) that it had a lot of junk in it - people
threw
> a lot of junk in there. Must have cost a fortune to clean it up. Also, I
> don't think that loch was very big. If I go over there, its one of the
first
> things I would want to see.
>
> Mary
>
>
Sorry, Mary, if things have been a bit drawn out but things have been a bit
unsettled for the last day or so.
Pattiesmuir is now more or less a bit of Charlestown and Limekilns. There
has been a good deal of housing built, most recently in the area that was
Hilton Farm. I saw some ads selling building Plots there a week or so back.
You really would be surprised at the small hamlets and villages around the
area. The old industrial dereliction of the mining past has been mostly
eradicated and Villages, like Kelty, that were formerly, *Miners Raws*,
(that's parallel rows of miners cottages for the non-Scots speakers), have
become very nice little villages with very desirable housing.
The Lochore Meadows Country Park is really something now. They have nature
reserves, fishing, water sports, golf courses and they preserved a pit-head
Gantry, complete with the pulley wheels, as a monument to the old mining
industry. The Townhill park is a miniature version. Rosyth, Inverkeithing
and many others have more or less become just one built up area.
Dunfermline Town centre was being modernised but suffered a bit off a
setback when the Co-op decided to abandon a massive re-building programme
and pulled out when the thing was part done. Probably this was mainly due to
the Government privatising the Dockyard and the subsequent local recession.
It has not recovered fully yet but I think it will just be a matter of time
for the Dockyard is now being made into a North Sea Ferry Port and calling
port on the cruise ship circuit. That should bring some much needed
prosperity to the town again. There was also a setback when the Hyundai
Company pulled out of a massive factory project but that seems to be ironing
itself out now too with another company taking over the complex.
Anyhow if you want to have a look around the large scale maps go to:-
http://www.multimap.com/
You can search the map and it can go to very large scale.
There is also an old map website that shows many of the places that have
disappeared:-
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
This is a new version but the old version is still available from the home
page. I prefer the old version though it is a bit more difficult to operate.
Richard Kaulfuss
>
> Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> Well I think you could be very wrong about Dunfermline not having much to
> offer. What you don't seem to have taken on board is that many things are
> cheek by jowl in other places but spread over a bigger area in Dunfermline.
>
every other respect Dunfermline is a small town. If I can't get or do
something in Dunfermline, I almost certainly won't be able to get or do
it anywhere else in the district. Need a 56" home movie system? No
problem! How about a bulb for your microwave? Or a new foil for your
electric shaver? No chance! Fancy a new hardwood door (standard 78x33)?
OK, but don't expect them to stock a matching frame. Spares for your
old Volvo? Try Kirkcaldy, and be thankful you don't own a Landrover.
There isn't even a decent book or record shop in town anymore (apart
from the excellent 3rd Base, but he's an oldies specialist). Sure, most
of the national high street chain stores are represented to a degree,
but what's missing in any quantity are the smaller, locally owned
businesses offering a diverse range of products and services.
I realise the problem is not unique to Dunfermline, but I find it sad
to think that a town of >50k inhabitants no longer has the critical
mass to sustain that level of service when towns with a smaller
population apparently can.
> You mentioned one shopping precinct but Dunfermline has several shopping
> areas and retail parks, one is less than two hundred yards, (Mts), from the
> Kingsgate Centre.
Several, as in one of each and a further retail park at Halbeath, which
might as well be on the moon if you don't have a car. When it first
opened, the Kingsgate was half full of shops which had relocated from
the High Street, which in turn has backfilled with an unhealthy number
of charity shops and "For Sale" signs.
The so-called "Queensgate" was never completed and was mothballed when
the Co-op pulled out of town more than a decade ago. The Randolph St.
precinct has been lying derelict ever since and has been closed to the
public because of the danger of falling masonry. It must make a wonderful
impression on first (and last) time visitors. My guess is that the
Queensgate will be demolished along with the rest of the site if and
when it ever gets redeveloped.
> The surrounding, Dunfermline District is also fairly close
> to the actual town and there are other facilities all around.
Such as?
> Just for instance - Rosyth,
Bingo and takeaways. Don't make me larf.
> Inverkeithing,
Puh-leese. I used to live there - my Mum still does.
(And be careful not to run out of petrol - it's a long walk to
the nearest filling station since the last one in town closed
down a few weeks ago.)
> N.Queensferry
Nice view of the bridges, but watch out for the bits falling off.
> and Dunfermline are really
> just one big built up area. Add to this places like Hillend, Kingseat,
> Halbeath, Hill O Beath which are all joined to Dunfermline with no break in
> between and Dunfermline is a lot bigger than it seems at first sight.
>
All of which contribute precisely what to the amenity of the district?
Two pubs and two chip shops the last time I looked. BTW, there's a full
mile of open country road between Tam the Pole's scrapyard and the
Eagle Glen at Kingseat. In any case, I think you're wrong to assume
that just because these places are part of a conurbation, the people
living in it will all identify themselves primarily with Dunfermline.
My wife was brought up in Mossgreen and she doesn't even identify with
Crossgates, far less Dunfermline!
> Your statement is rather reminiscent of the story told about a local Kelty
> man who went to visit Edinburgh. On his return his neighbours asked him,
> *Weel! Whit div ye think o Embra Dick*, *Ach! Aa yone shops and aa yone
> traffic an aa yone fowk wir mair nor a biddy cud thole*, said Dick, *bit ken
> whit Ah jist didna lik wis aa yone gless abin ma heid aa the time*.
Got me there.
--
Dick
Helen Ramsay
"MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote
> Helen Ramsay <hel...@western.wave.ca> wrote in message
> news:8PZQ6.62608$r7.91...@news1.busy1.on.home.com...
> >
> > "MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > only about 12 and 14 years old when I used to go on that bus so I
> > > wouldn't
> > > > > know who Kelty Clippie was? Was it a bus conductor?
(conductress)?
> >
> > You can hear it being sung here Mary.
> >
> > http://www.folkmusic.net/htmfiles/sounds_genlnav.htm
> >
> > It also has Pittenweem Joe and John Thomson.
>
> Helen: I tried that URL above a few times yesterday and today and I can
> access the web page but the blue line loading in the information seems to
> get stuck in the middle and never goes any further, so maybe that site it
> very busy. do you have any trouble accessing it? I have no trouble with
any
> other web sites.
I just clicked on it and it loaded in less than a second. I'm listening to
the Kelty Clippie as I type ;-)
Cheers,
Helen
Richard Kaulfuss
> The main attraction of Dunfermline for me and a lot of other people (I know
> it was a long time ago), but it was The Glen. You could go there any time
> and see the peacocks walking around. Go to the aviary to see the birds or
> the conservatory to see the exotic flowers, or go to Pavillion for afternoon
> tea, or walk through the beautiful gardens. Isn't it like that any more?
Yes, the Glen is still the jewel in Dunfermline's (somewhat tarnished)
crown, and the gardens are a credit to those who work there. Since the
High Street was pedestrianised more years ago than I care to remember,
it's not unusual to see the odd peacock mingling with the shoppers.
There's even an albino one which roosts on the wall that runs along the
length of the Coal Road (remember that?) Looks quite ghostly when you
catch it in your headlights.
> Andrew Carnegie did something really good by giving the Glen to the people
> of Dunfermline. And Dunfermline was the ancient capital of Scotland and has
> a 12th Century Abbey and the ruins of Dunfermline Palace across the street.
> I used to pass them on my way to Queen Anne High School every day, and think
> that the Abbey looked very nice as it has been restored a few times, but I
> thought Dunfermline Palace ruins looked pretty bad and I wondered why they
> left it in that condition. Of course kids think strange things. I didn't
> realize its historical value.
>
--
Dick
Helen Ramsay
> Helen Ramsay <hel...@western.wave.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > know who Kelty Clippie was? Was it a bus conductor?
(conductress)?
> >
> > You can hear it being sung here Mary.
> >
> > http://www.folkmusic.net/htmfiles/sounds_genlnav.htm
> >
> > It also has Pittenweem Joe and John Thomson.
>
> Helen: I tried that URL above a few times yesterday and today and I can
> access the web page but the blue line loading in the information seems to
> get stuck in the middle and never goes any further, so maybe that site it
> very busy. do you have any trouble accessing it? I have no trouble with
any
> other web sites.
I see you use OE5, so I've sent you the site as a page in an email.
Cheers,
Helen
MaryJ
I just tried it again and still the same - the blue line goes half way and
thats it. And I know you are online the same time as me right now, since we
are both on EST -;) How is it you can get it and I can't -haha... Did you
click on the URL above? The screen is light blue - right? but I can't access
it. My computer is not THAT slow, so maybe I will try it later.
Mary
MaryJ
I noticed your posted was dated at 9.34 pm and it is now 9.55 pm but there
is no email from you. I notice you use OE5.5. I use OE5.0, but that
shouldn't matter.
Mary
Helen Ramsay
"MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote
> >
> > I see you use OE5, so I've sent you the site as a page in an email.
> I noticed your posted was dated at 9.34 pm and it is now 9.55 pm but
there
> is no email from you. I notice you use OE5.5. I use OE5.0, but that
> shouldn't matter.
Makes no difference. Your address above is correct?
Cheers,
Helen
Helen Ramsay
> Helen Ramsay <hel...@western.wave.ca> wrote in message
> > "MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote
> > > Helen Ramsay <hel...@western.wave.ca> wrote in message
> > > >
> > (conductress)?
> > > >
> > > > You can hear it being sung here Mary.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.folkmusic.net/htmfiles/sounds_genlnav.htm
> I just tried it again and still the same - the blue line goes half way
and
> thats it. And I know you are online the same time as me right now, since
we
> are both on EST -;) How is it you can get it and I can't -haha... Did
you
> click on the URL above?
I did.
>The screen is light blue - right?
It is.
>but I can't access
> it. My computer is not THAT slow, so maybe I will try it later.
Beats me why you can't get to it, but you must have my email by now!
Cheers,
Helen
MaryJ
> Sorry, Mary, if things have been a bit drawn out but things have been a
bit
> unsettled for the last day or so.
Thats OK.
> Pattiesmuir is now more or less a bit of Charlestown and Limekilns. There
> has been a good deal of housing built, most recently in the area that was
> Hilton Farm. I saw some ads selling building Plots there a week or so
back.
Hilton Farm rings a bell. Pattiesmuir seemed quite far from Limekilns and
Charlestown in the 50's when I used to visit my aunt at Pattiesmuir. My
cousin and I would sometimes walk to Limekilns and visit the ice cream
shop - considered a great treat for me. Its too bad in a way that
Pattiesmuir couldn't have stayed the way it was since even when I visited
it, it was like a little village in a time warp. So charming. Dunfermline
seemed far more citified compared to Pattiesmuir. My uncle and aunt and
cousin are buried in Douglas Bank cemetary at Pattiesmuir.
They were lovely people. Actually I had aunts and uncles all over the place
as my mother was one of the youngest of a family of 12.
> You really would be surprised at the small hamlets and villages around the
> area. The old industrial dereliction of the mining past has been mostly
> eradicated and Villages, like Kelty, that were formerly, *Miners Raws*,
> (that's parallel rows of miners cottages for the non-Scots speakers), have
> become very nice little villages with very desirable housing.
Its nice that they have done this with the old cottages.
> The Lochore Meadows Country Park is really something now. They have nature
> reserves, fishing, water sports, golf courses and they preserved a
pit-head
> Gantry, complete with the pulley wheels, as a monument to the old mining
> industry. The Townhill park is a miniature version. Rosyth, Inverkeithing
> and many others have more or less become just one built up area.
My aunt's house was right across the road from the Townhill Park - across
from the tennis courts so I was there a lot.. I played tennis there many
times. I remember the tennis court ground was pink -not a thing you would
forget..
Don't think I was ever at Lochore though. When you say Townhill Park was a
miniature version, do you mean like Lochore Park? What did they do with
Townhill Park?
> Dunfermline Town centre was being modernised but suffered a bit off a
> setback when the Co-op decided to abandon a massive re-building programme
> and pulled out when the thing was part done. Probably this was mainly due
to
> the Government privatising the Dockyard and the subsequent local
recession.
> It has not recovered fully yet but I think it will just be a matter of
time
> for the Dockyard is now being made into a North Sea Ferry Port and calling
> port on the cruise ship circuit. That should bring some much needed
> prosperity to the town again.
My mother used to work at the Dockyard during the later part of the war. In
fact, it seemed *everybody* worked at the Dockyard then.
There was also a setback when the Hyundai
> Company pulled out of a massive factory project but that seems to be
ironing
> itself out now too with another company taking over the complex.
Where was Hyundai located?
> Anyhow if you want to have a look around the large scale maps go to:-
> http://www.multimap.com/
>
> You can search the map and it can go to very large scale.
I looked at that one and it shows a lot of the area surrounding Dunfermline.
I had an idea where the places were, but to see them on a map makes it more
clear. I was trying to see where the Gask was, but couldn't find it. They
used to have a good map on the Dunfermline web
site -www.dunfermlineonline.net but every time I've tried it in the last
couple of months, it just says Page not found, so I wrote to the webmaster
just now. That map showed my old street, but I don't think the map above can
go in that close.
> There is also an old map website that shows many of the places that have
> disappeared:-
> http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
I found that one hard to read as it was a sketch and a little too dark.
> This is a new version but the old version is still available from the home
> page. I prefer the old version though it is a bit more difficult to
operate.
Thank you so much for all your information. Very nice of you. Its like a
trip down memory lane for me. I was in Dunfermline for a holiday in 1968 and
that was the last time I was there since I left in the 50's, and at that
time there wasn't much change, but its been a lot longer this time since I
have been over. My mother used to go every year for about 40 years, so was
much more in touch with things over there, but when she was in her mid 80's
she wasnt able to go any more, and it was very sad as she loved Scotland and
loved to go there.
I thought about going over myself this year, but something came up that I
had to forget about it for the time being, but I haven't ruled it out
completely and the fares seem to be less than usual from here to there,
probably because of Foot and Mouth Disease over there.
I have read tourism is down quite a lot, which is unfortunate for your
economy.
Mary
MaryJ
>
> "MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote
>
> > >
> > > I see you use OE5, so I've sent you the site as a page in an email.
>
> > I noticed your posted was dated at 9.34 pm and it is now 9.55 pm but
> there
> > is no email from you. I notice you use OE5.5. I use OE5.0, but that
> > shouldn't matter.
>
> Makes no difference. Your address above is correct?
Yes, thats right.
Mary
MaryJ
> "MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote
snip
> > I just tried it again and still the same - the blue line goes half way
> and
> > thats it. And I know you are online the same time as me right now, since
> we
> > are both on EST -;) How is it you can get it and I can't -haha... Did
> you
> > click on the URL above?
>
> I did.
>
> >The screen is light blue - right?
>
> It is.
>
> >but I can't access
> > it. My computer is not THAT slow, so maybe I will try it later.
>
> Beats me why you can't get to it, but you must have my email by now!
I got your email, but it came up with a window saying "Your current Security
settings prohibit running ActiveX controlsl on this page. Page may not
display correctly. The page then showed as being light blue and the name of
the people, but couldn't access Kelty Clippie or any other performer. I
changed my settings in OE/Options from Security as being "Restricted to Less
Secure" - still can't see the page. I have a feeling I never set up my
system to accept web pages in email, so I would have to change something,
but not sure what.
Better forget it for now. I will try the site some other time and see what
happens.
Thanks a lot for trying.
Mary
Jim Stewart
MaryJ <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
news:UsDR6.32013$TW.1...@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...
It loaded right up for me...
Jim Stewart
MaryJ
news:9f75v3$h93$1...@husk.cso.niu.edu...
I think its because I don't have real audio installed on my system, so it
can't play the music files. Thats my guess anyway.
Mary
Mike MacKinnon
> Mike MacKinnon <mmack...@pgpower.com> wrote in message news:jxqR6.34
>
> > "MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
>
> snip
>
> > Ah, Dunfermline! The first time I ever fell in love (I was 16) was to a
> girl
> > from Dunfermline. She lived in Izatt Avenue and her dad was in the
> military
> > at Pitreavie. He didn't like me coz I had orange hair! (Early 70s!)
> >
> > If you're still around, Cathy, How you doin?
> >
> > Mike
>
> Well, glad I brought back some nostalgic memories to you Mike -;) Can't
> remember where Izatt Avenue was. Surely he didn't dislike you because you
> had red hair (was it really orange?). I presume your hair has darkened up
> somewhat or grayed up -;)
>
things in my day and trying to dye black hair blonde, with two bottles of
Hiltone, was one of the maddest! No specific reason for it, just felt like
it at the time! I like to think I was a fashion setter as I had orange hair
before Bowie (Aladdin Sane) thought about it!
Her paw didnae like me because I was a 'hippie with orange hair!' (His
words!) And yes, the salt and pepper cruets have deigned to honour my hair
with their presence nowadays.
Cheers,
Mike
Helen Ramsay
"MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote
> Jim Stewart <ste...@ceet.niu.edu> wrote in message
> > It loaded right up for me...
> >
> > Jim Stewart
>
> I think its because I don't have real audio installed on my system, so it
> can't play the music files. Thats my guess anyway.
I should have read the newsgroup before I sent you that email ;-)
Cheers,
Helen
MaryJ
Its all right Helen - I do the same thing myself all the time -;)
I keep meaning to say ' Belated Happy Birthday". Mine isn't till November,
so glad its not time for me just yet, but unfortunately time seems to pass
faster than usual when it comes to birthdays. Oh well... we are all in the
same boat.
Mary
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers
> No Bob, the only thing that's spread over a wide area is people. In
> every other respect Dunfermline is a small town. If I can't get or do
> something in Dunfermline, I almost certainly won't be able to get or
do
> it anywhere else in the district. Need a 56" home movie system? No
> problem! How about a bulb for your microwave? Or a new foil for your
> electric shaver?
Try Thompson's in the High Street for all the above.
> No chance! Fancy a new hardwood door (standard 78x33)?
> OK, but don't expect them to stock a matching frame.
Doors etc., Magnet, Keyline and many other smaller outfits. There is one on
the corner of Albany Street and Hill Street. Rowan Timber, Pitreivie
Business Park, MGM Timber, Elgin Street Business Park.
> Spares for your
> old Volvo? Try Kirkcaldy, and be thankful you don't own a Landrover.
There are several Motor factors dotted around Dunfermline. At least one in
the Pitreivie Business Park. There are Scott's and Barr's who do auto
Electrics. Halfords has a large shop and service centre and if they don't
have it the can usually get it. I have only had to go to Kirkcaldy for one
car part for many years and that was only because Moore's Autopanels was on
holiday when I needed a new sill for my Motorhome.
> There isn't even a decent book or record shop in town anymore (apart
> from the excellent 3rd Base, but he's an oldies specialist).
What's wrong with W.H. Smith who will get any book that they do not have on
the shelf and there is a large record shop in the Kingsgate Centre whose
name escapes me at the moment.
> Sure, most
> of the national high street chain stores are represented to a degree,
> but what's missing in any quantity are the smaller, locally owned
> businesses offering a diverse range of products and services.
>
> I realise the problem is not unique to Dunfermline, but I find it sad
> to think that a town of >50k inhabitants no longer has the critical
> mass to sustain that level of service when towns with a smaller
> population apparently can.
>
> > You mentioned one shopping precinct but Dunfermline has several shopping
> > areas and retail parks, one is less than two hundred yards, (Mts), from
the
> > Kingsgate Centre.
>
> Several, as in one of each and a further retail park at Halbeath, which
> might as well be on the moon if you don't have a car.
Several very good bus services pass Halbeath business Park. There are also
business parks at Pitreivie, Elgin Street, Rosyth and other places, There
are many small businesses tucked away in premises around the town. Last year
I had a small engineering task I could not cope with myself and found a
small engineering shop at Baldridgeburn who did it for a tenner.
> When it first
> opened, the Kingsgate was half full of shops which had relocated from
> the High Street, which in turn has backfilled with an unhealthy number
> of charity shops and "For Sale" signs.
> The so-called "Queensgate" was never completed and was mothballed when
> the Co-op pulled out of town more than a decade ago. The Randolph St.
> precinct has been lying derelict ever since and has been closed to the
> public because of the danger of falling masonry. It must make a
wonderful
> impression on first (and last) time visitors. My guess is that the
> Queensgate will be demolished along with the rest of the site if and
> when it ever gets redeveloped.
>
> > The surrounding, Dunfermline District is also fairly close
> > to the actual town and there are other facilities all around.
>
> Such as?
>
> > Just for instance - Rosyth,
What the hell do you think is in the Dockyard now? A great deal more than
ship repair I warrant.
>
> Bingo and takeaways. Don't make me larf.
>
> > Inverkeithing,
>
> Puh-leese. I used to live there - my Mum still does.
> (And be careful not to run out of petrol - it's a long walk to
> the nearest filling station since the last one in town closed
> down a few weeks ago.)
>
> > N.Queensferry
>
> Nice view of the bridges, but watch out for the bits falling off.
>
> > and Dunfermline are really
> > just one big built up area. Add to this places like Hillend, Kingseat,
> > Halbeath, Hill O Beath which are all joined to Dunfermline with no break
in
> > between and Dunfermline is a lot bigger than it seems at first sight.
> >
> All of which contribute precisely what to the amenity of the district?
Hillend is full of factory and business premises and there is a shopping
area at Dalgetty Bay. There is a very good Car Painting shop in The Dales.
Crossgates has a couple of good Car body shops and a Tyre/battery/exhaust
shop. There are large & small industrial estates everywhere. Deep Sea World,
Queensferry. Large new Cinema complex, (East side of Dunfermline). There is
much more than you would have us all believe. Cowdenbeath is full of
industrial Estates and it even has a Stockcar track and, of course, the
,*Blue Brazils*
> Two pubs and two chip shops the last time I looked. BTW, there's a
full
> mile of open country road between Tam the Pole's scrapyard and the
> Eagle Glen at Kingseat.
Aye, an ane or twa hooses on the wey. It is not too far to the ASDA at the
Halbeath Business Park. (Enco Enterprise has a place down that road too).
> In any case, I think you're wrong to assume
> that just because these places are part of a conurbation, the people
> living in it will all identify themselves primarily with Dunfermline.
> My wife was brought up in Mossgreen and she doesn't even identify with
> Crossgates, far less Dunfermline!
For Goodness sake it IS part of Crossgates.
>
> > Your statement is rather reminiscent of the story told about a local
Kelty
> > man who went to visit Edinburgh. On his return his neighbours asked him,
> > *Weel! Whit div ye think o Embra Dick*, *Ach! Aa yone shops and aa yone
> > traffic an aa yone fowk wir mair nor a biddy cud thole*, said Dick, *bit
ken
> > whit Ah jist didna lik wis aa yone gless abin ma heid aa the time*.
>
> Got me there.
>
> --
> Dick
Well, Dick had never left the Waverley Station and he thought Edinburgh had
a glass roof. There is much more to Edinburgh than the Waverley and there is
much more to Dunfermline than the High Street.
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers
What plug-in does the site need to play its soundfiles? Could it be that you
do not have the plug-in installed or have turned that option off? I did try
the site but I have hearing problems and don't really bother too much with
sound. I did get the same result as Mary though with the file not loading.
This is a fast machine and I have a lot of memory installed and a very large
Hard Disk. My line is very good too. It wasn't you who had the cable line
was it Helen?
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers
That does sound like you have not installed the plug-in or your machine is
not recognising it if you have.
MaryJ
I haven't tried it again Bob, but I am pretty sure its because I don't have
Real Audio installed. I am sure that is the case since there was an error
message saying something about the files can't be opened because you don't
have the proper viewer, so of course if you don't have the right audio
player that you need for that site, it won't open the files.
I was going to download Real Audio last night but forgot and then I was
going to download it another time and the web site where i went to download
it was too busy. I will get to it eventually.
Helen has cable line, but the problem isn't really in whether you have cable
line or modem line. She probably has Real Audio installed on her system, so
she wouldn't have a problem hearing the song.
Mary
MaryJ
Yep, thats it Bob. I need to download Real Audio. I seldom listen to music
on the net, so never found a need for it, but I will download it anyway -
just to hear Kelty Clippie -;)
Mary
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers
> Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message
> > Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> Its nice that they have done this with the old cottages.
We bought one of the old coal-board under managers cottages about twenty
years ago. It was in a state of great disrepair. I leaned on the front door
with my hand and it went right through the panel.
Anyway we put new windows and doors in it. Rewired, re-plumbed and re-roofed
it. Re-plastered it and replaced much of the interior woodwork. We
modernised the central heating and put in a built in dining/kitchen. We also
built a garage workshop and a front and rear patio. We then painted the
exterior walls white, the windowsills and the doorframes black and
landscaped the garden. I did every bit of it myself, even to the gas piping,
(I was qualified to CORGI standard before anyone says that was illegal). We
now look out over Lochore Meadows Country Park towards Benarty Hill, (It was
all old mine workings, pit bings and an old power Station when we went there
first).
>
snip
> My aunt's house was right across the road from the Townhill Park - across
> from the tennis courts so I was there a lot.. I played tennis there many
> times. I remember the tennis court ground was pink -not a thing you would
> forget..
>
> Don't think I was ever at Lochore though. When you say Townhill Park was a
> miniature version, do you mean like Lochore Park? What did they do with
> Townhill Park?
Townhill Park, with its football fields, tennis courts etc., is still there.
The park I was speaking off is, Townhill, *Country*, Park which is the
former site of the electricity Power Station.
>
snip
> My mother used to work at the Dockyard during the later part of the war.
In
> fact, it seemed *everybody* worked at the Dockyard then.
>
That's about the size of it. When I went to the Dockyard it employed many
thousands of people. This declined to about 8000 by the late seventies.
snip
> Where was Hyundai located?
>
Hyundai never actually occupied the plant which was specially constructed
for them. The recession in the East put paid to them and they decided not to
start up the plant. The plant was a vast area just to the south east of
Halbeath. The infrastructure of roads and the new buildings are to be taken
over by another company now.
> > Anyhow if you want to have a look around the large scale maps go to:-
> > http://www.multimap.com/
> >
> > You can search the map and it can go to very large scale.
>
> I looked at that one and it shows a lot of the area surrounding
Dunfermline.
> I had an idea where the places were, but to see them on a map makes it
more
> clear. I was trying to see where the Gask was, but couldn't find it. They
> used to have a good map on the Dunfermline web
> site -www.dunfermlineonline.net but every time I've tried it in the last
> couple of months, it just says Page not found, so I wrote to the webmaster
> just now. That map showed my old street, but I don't think the map above
can
> go in that close.
I think it probably can but you have to give an address or at lest a street
name. If you give a street name it will give a list of the houses in that
street. Select any one of them and you go to a large scale map. The reason
Gask is not on the map is because their was really nothing but few stone
walls left and the map was made before the new people built the new
property. The old maps show Gask Farm though. I had a Dunfermline web page
as a favourite but I lost all my bookmarks when my machine went down while I
was doing a backup so I lost the backup too. Hang on, I'll do a search for
it/them.
http://www.tulbol.demon.co.uk/dunfermline/annals1.htm
http://www.dunfermline.fsnet.co.uk/history.htm
http://macgregor.www6.50megs.com/index2.html
Right , there's three to be going on with. The first one is very interesting
indeed.
>
> > There is also an old map website that shows many of the places that have
> > disappeared:-
> > http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
>
> I found that one hard to read as it was a sketch and a little too dark.
There is a link at the top of the first page to the old map system but you
can type in info on the same page and go directly to a particular place.
>
snip
> Thank you so much for all your information. Very nice of you. Its like a
> trip down memory lane for me. I was in Dunfermline for a holiday in 1968
and
> that was the last time I was there since I left in the 50's, and at that
> time there wasn't much change, but its been a lot longer this time since I
> have been over. My mother used to go every year for about 40 years, so was
> much more in touch with things over there, but when she was in her mid
80's
> she wasnt able to go any more, and it was very sad as she loved Scotland
and
> loved to go there.
>
> I thought about going over myself this year, but something came up that I
> had to forget about it for the time being, but I haven't ruled it out
> completely and the fares seem to be less than usual from here to there,
> probably because of Foot and Mouth Disease over there.
> I have read tourism is down quite a lot, which is unfortunate for your
> economy.
>
> Mary
>
>
>
The main thing that affects the cost as far as you are concerned is the
exchange rate of the money. At the moment I think the high Pound is actually
in our favour as far as travel costs go. You asked about Izatt Avenue. It is
just left, off Hospital Hill, as you travel towards the town centre.
Helen Ramsay
conductor?
> > > > (conductress)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can hear it being sung here Mary.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.folkmusic.net/htmfiles/sounds_genlnav.htm
> > <snip>
> >
> What plug-in does the site need to play its soundfiles? Could it be that
you
> do not have the plug-in installed or have turned that option off? I did
try
> the site but I have hearing problems and don't really bother too much
with
> sound. I did get the same result as Mary though with the file not
loading.
> This is a fast machine and I have a lot of memory installed and a very
large
> Hard Disk. My line is very good too. It wasn't you who had the cable line
> was it Helen?
Yes. I have a cable connection and a Pentium III 700Mhz, but I don't think
that's the problem. They are Real Audio files, so if you don't have
RealPlayer installed you're out of luck.
Cheers,
Helen
MaryJ
snip
> > Its nice that they have done this with the old cottages.
>
> We bought one of the old coal-board under managers cottages about twenty
> years ago. It was in a state of great disrepair. I leaned on the front
door
> with my hand and it went right through the panel.
>
> Anyway we put new windows and doors in it. Rewired, re-plumbed and
re-roofed
> it. Re-plastered it and replaced much of the interior woodwork. We
> modernised the central heating and put in a built in dining/kitchen. We
also
> built a garage workshop and a front and rear patio. We then painted the
> exterior walls white, the windowsills and the doorframes black and
> landscaped the garden. I did every bit of it myself, even to the gas
piping,
> (I was qualified to CORGI standard before anyone says that was illegal).
We
> now look out over Lochore Meadows Country Park towards Benarty Hill, (It
was
> all old mine workings, pit bings and an old power Station when we went
there
> first).
It sounds like you've done a wonderful job in renovating your house. Bet it
looks beautiful.
I don't know the area where you live.
> > My aunt's house was right across the road from the Townhill Park -
across
> > from the tennis courts so I was there a lot.. I played tennis there many
> > times. I remember the tennis court ground was pink -not a thing you
would
> > forget..
> >
> > Don't think I was ever at Lochore though. When you say Townhill Park was
a
> > miniature version, do you mean like Lochore Park? What did they do with
> > Townhill Park?
>
> Townhill Park, with its football fields, tennis courts etc., is still
there.
> The park I was speaking off is, Townhill, *Country*, Park which is the
> former site of the electricity Power Station.
Don't know where that park is .
> > > Anyhow if you want to have a look around the large scale maps go to:-
> > > http://www.multimap.com/
> > >
> > > You can search the map and it can go to very large scale.
> >
> > I looked at that one and it shows a lot of the area surrounding
> Dunfermline.
> > I had an idea where the places were, but to see them on a map makes it
> more
> > clear. I was trying to see where the Gask was, but couldn't find it.
They
> > used to have a good map on the Dunfermline web
> > site -www.dunfermlineonline.net but every time I've tried it in the last
> > couple of months, it just says Page not found, so I wrote to the
webmaster
> > just now. That map showed my old street, but I don't think the map above
> can
> > go in that close.
>
> I think it probably can but you have to give an address or at lest a
street
> name. If you give a street name it will give a list of the houses in that
> street. Select any one of them and you go to a large scale map. The reason
> Gask is not on the map is because their was really nothing but few stone
> walls left and the map was made before the new people built the new
> property. The old maps show Gask Farm though.
I will have to look it up again. We lived on Campbell St. - round the corner
from Carnegie Swimming Pool where I used to spend half my life. It was the
reason I became a good swimmer and won a lot of swimming races in
competition swimming at the pool.
I had a Dunfermline web page
> as a favourite but I lost all my bookmarks when my machine went down while
I
> was doing a backup so I lost the backup too. Hang on, I'll do a search for
> it/them.
>
> http://www.tulbol.demon.co.uk/dunfermline/annals1.htm
>
> http://www.dunfermline.fsnet.co.uk/history.htm
>
> http://macgregor.www6.50megs.com/index2.html
>
> Right , there's three to be going on with. The first one is very
interesting
> indeed.
Thank you for the URL's. I didn't read all of the first one because its very
long. It seems I have read it before, but a long time back. With Dunfermline
being the ancient capital, it has some very interesting historical
background. I have been in the Abbey many times. Beautiful architecture.
> > > There is also an old map website that shows many of the places that
have
> > > disappeared:-
> > > http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
> >
> > I found that one hard to read as it was a sketch and a little too dark.
>
> There is a link at the top of the first page to the old map system but you
> can type in info on the same page and go directly to a particular place.
I will have to look for the old map.
> > I thought about going over myself this year, but something came up that
I
> > had to forget about it for the time being, but I haven't ruled it out
> > completely and the fares seem to be less than usual from here to there,
> > probably because of Foot and Mouth Disease over there.
> > I have read tourism is down quite a lot, which is unfortunate for your
> > economy.
> The main thing that affects the cost as far as you are concerned is the
> exchange rate of the money. At the moment I think the high Pound is
actually
> in our favour as far as travel costs go.
I think a Can. dollar is something like 2 pounds 25p for every $1.00. I
don't know anything about British pounds vs Canadian dollars, etc. - no idea
at all. Helen would know though as she seems to go back and forth to
Scotland all the time - right Helen? I think if I ever went, I would have to
ask Helen about the money part in particular. When I lived there it was
still sterling which I wouldn't know about anyway -;)
You asked about Izatt Avenue. It is
> just left, off Hospital Hill, as you travel towards the town centre.
Hospital Hill sounds familiar but can't remember exactly where it was. I'm
sure I've probably been there. The places I went were usually around where I
lived or my uncles at Tuke St. - do you know where it is? and I was familar
with Townhill and Pattiesmuir because I had aunts there too, and we used to
play field hockey at Pitreavie Playing fields every Saturday morning - great
times.. Another place we went to all the time was the public park - did some
"sledging" there if we got a little snow. Ah youth.... -;)
Mary
MaryJ
Mary said:
> > > > > > know who Kelty Clippie was? Was it a bus conductor?
> (conductress)?
> > >
> > > You can hear it being sung here Mary.
> > >
> > > http://www.folkmusic.net/htmfiles/sounds_genlnav.htm
> > >
> > > It also has Pittenweem Joe and John Thomson.
Helen - Finally got things to work today after installing Real Audio. I
liked the Kelty Clippie song - very lively. But I want to make sure - as I
asked above, is "Clippie" a bus conductress? Never heard of the word clippie
when I lived there, but when "On the Buses used to be on TV", didn't they
say Clippie for bus conductresses on that show? thats where I heard it
first. Wonder where the word Clippie came from?
I also listened to Pittenweem Joe and John Thomson. I liked Pittenweem Joe
the best.
Mary
Richard Kaulfuss
>
> "Richard Kaulfuss" <dka...@boehme.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:0106010...@boehme.demon.co.uk...
> > Robert, \(Auld Bob\), Peffers (b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk) wrote:
> > >
> snip
> > No Bob, the only thing that's spread over a wide area is people. In
> > every other respect Dunfermline is a small town. If I can't get or do
> > something in Dunfermline, I almost certainly won't be able to get or
> do
> > it anywhere else in the district. Need a 56" home movie system? No
> > problem! How about a bulb for your microwave? Or a new foil for your
> > electric shaver?
>
> Try Thompson's in the High Street for all the above.
>
the products mentioned. "Not enough profit in it", the man said.
Needless to say I won't be back.
> > No chance! Fancy a new hardwood door (standard 78x33)?
> > OK, but don't expect them to stock a matching frame.
>
> Doors etc., Magnet, Keyline and many other smaller outfits. There is one on
> the corner of Albany Street and Hill Street. Rowan Timber, Pitreivie
> Business Park, MGM Timber, Elgin Street Business Park.
>
Yes, they all stock doors. Some nice ones too. But none of them had
a frame to match in stock. I eventually ordered one through Magnet
because I knew the manager and he did me a very good price, which
partly offset the inconvenience of having to wait a fortnight for it.
> > Spares for your
> > old Volvo? Try Kirkcaldy, and be thankful you don't own a Landrover.
>
> There are several Motor factors dotted around Dunfermline. At least one in
> the Pitreivie Business Park. There are Scott's and Barr's who do auto
> Electrics. Halfords has a large shop and service centre and if they don't
> have it the can usually get it.
These places are OK for generic stuff like brake pads and wheel
bearings, but they don't normally hold model-specific parts like flame
traps and heater hoses. Nor would I expect them to. Even Volvo oil
filters are a bit special so there's little alternative but to get them
from the main dealer, who no longer has a presence in Dunfermline.
> I have only had to go to Kirkcaldy for one
> car part for many years and that was only because Moore's Autopanels was on
> holiday when I needed a new sill for my Motorhome.
>
Davy? Moore is on permanent holiday now - he sold up last year. The new
occupants are in the spray painting business, IIRC.
> > There isn't even a decent book or record shop in town anymore (apart
> > from the excellent 3rd Base, but he's an oldies specialist).
>
> What's wrong with W.H. Smith who will get any book that they do not have on
> the shelf
That's precisely what's wrong - they don't have as much on the shelf
as Menzies did before them, and even they weren't as good as the much
missed MacPhersons. For most people the attraction of bookshops is
being able to browse, and buy something if it takes your fancy. Same
goes for record shops. If I'm going to have to order something, I'd
rather do it through Amazon. It's cheaper and usually quicker too.
> and there is a large record shop in the Kingsgate Centre whose
> name escapes me at the moment.
>
Large? The outlet formerly known as "Our Price" was never better than
so-so IMO, but at least it paid lip service to other musical genres such
as classical, jazz, folk and world music. Last year it was transformed
into a "V Shop" and now half its floor space is given over to mobile
phones and DVDs. Their music offerings are limited to the Top 50 and
a couple of racks of "best sellers". The bigger supermarkets offer much
the same and charge less. Amazon can expect to see a lot more of my custom
in future.
> > Sure, most
> > of the national high street chain stores are represented to a degree,
> > but what's missing in any quantity are the smaller, locally owned
> > businesses offering a diverse range of products and services.
> >
> > I realise the problem is not unique to Dunfermline, but I find it sad
> > to think that a town of >50k inhabitants no longer has the critical
> > mass to sustain that level of service when towns with a smaller
> > population apparently can.
> >
> > > You mentioned one shopping precinct but Dunfermline has several shopping
> > > areas and retail parks, one is less than two hundred yards, (Mts), from
> the
> > > Kingsgate Centre.
> >
> > Several, as in one of each and a further retail park at Halbeath, which
> > might as well be on the moon if you don't have a car.
>
> Several very good bus services pass Halbeath business Park.
Have you tried doing the weekly shopping for a family of four by bus?
Or transporting several sheets of hardboard? These places were designed
specifically for car owners.
>There are also
> business parks at Pitreivie, Elgin Street, Rosyth and other places, There
> are many small businesses tucked away in premises around the town.
Not many of these are retail outlets, and their hours don't usually
suit the working public.
> Last year
> I had a small engineering task I could not cope with myself and found a
> small engineering shop at Baldridgeburn who did it for a tenner.
>
Which one, I you don't mind my asking?
> > When it first
> > opened, the Kingsgate was half full of shops which had relocated from
> > the High Street, which in turn has backfilled with an unhealthy number
> > of charity shops and "For Sale" signs.
> > The so-called "Queensgate" was never completed and was mothballed when
> > the Co-op pulled out of town more than a decade ago. The Randolph St.
> > precinct has been lying derelict ever since and has been closed to the
> > public because of the danger of falling masonry. It must make a
> wonderful
> > impression on first (and last) time visitors. My guess is that the
> > Queensgate will be demolished along with the rest of the site if and
> > when it ever gets redeveloped.
> >
> > > The surrounding, Dunfermline District is also fairly close
> > > to the actual town and there are other facilities all around.
> >
> > Such as?
> >
> > > Just for instance - Rosyth,
>
> What the hell do you think is in the Dockyard now? A great deal more than
> ship repair I warrant.
> >
Quite possibly, but does the public have free access?
> > Bingo and takeaways. Don't make me larf.
> >
> > > Inverkeithing,
> >
> > Puh-leese. I used to live there - my Mum still does.
> > (And be careful not to run out of petrol - it's a long walk to
> > the nearest filling station since the last one in town closed
> > down a few weeks ago.)
> >
> > > N.Queensferry
> >
> > Nice view of the bridges, but watch out for the bits falling off.
> >
> > > and Dunfermline are really
> > > just one big built up area. Add to this places like Hillend, Kingseat,
> > > Halbeath, Hill O Beath which are all joined to Dunfermline with no break
> in
> > > between and Dunfermline is a lot bigger than it seems at first sight.
> > >
> > All of which contribute precisely what to the amenity of the district?
>
> Hillend is full of factory and business premises
Where people go to work.
> and there is a shopping area at Dalgetty Bay.
Which is fine for the people of Dalgety Bay. But why would I, or any
visitor to Dunfermline, want to go there?
> There is a very good Car Painting shop in The Dales.
> Crossgates has a couple of good Car body shops and a Tyre/battery/exhaust
> shop. There are large & small industrial estates everywhere. Deep Sea World,
> Queensferry. Large new Cinema complex, (East side of Dunfermline). There is
> much more than you would have us all believe.
It's no less than I would expect. The problem is the things that aren't
there and should be, IMO, in a town with a population as large as
Dunfermline's. Like a maternity hospital. Too bad if you live in
Kincardine and have to rely on public transport to visit your new
arrival at Forth Park in Kirkcaldy.
> Cowdenbeath is full of
> industrial Estates and it even has a Stockcar track and, of course, the
> ,*Blue Brazils*
>
Yes, and it has a Woolworths too - something that Dunfermline was
evidently unable to sustain.
> > Two pubs and two chip shops the last time I looked. BTW, there's a
> full
> > mile of open country road between Tam the Pole's scrapyard and the
> > Eagle Glen at Kingseat.
>
> Aye, an ane or twa hooses on the wey. It is not too far to the ASDA at the
> Halbeath Business Park. (Enco Enterprise has a place down that road too).
>
A couple of isolated buildings along a country road hardly constitutes
a built-up area.
> > In any case, I think you're wrong to assume
> > that just because these places are part of a conurbation, the people
> > living in it will all identify themselves primarily with Dunfermline.
> > My wife was brought up in Mossgreen and she doesn't even identify with
> > Crossgates, far less Dunfermline!
>
> For Goodness sake it IS part of Crossgates.
> >
In the same way that Scotland is part of Britain.
> > > Your statement is rather reminiscent of the story told about a local
> Kelty
> > > man who went to visit Edinburgh. On his return his neighbours asked him,
> > > *Weel! Whit div ye think o Embra Dick*, *Ach! Aa yone shops and aa yone
> > > traffic an aa yone fowk wir mair nor a biddy cud thole*, said Dick, *bit
> ken
> > > whit Ah jist didna lik wis aa yone gless abin ma heid aa the time*.
> >
> > Got me there.
> >
> Well, Dick had never left the Waverley Station and he thought Edinburgh had
> a glass roof. There is much more to Edinburgh than the Waverley and there is
> much more to Dunfermline than the High Street.
Then I'll thank you not to patronise me! I've lived and worked here for
over 30 years and I know as well as anyone what's on my doorstep and
beyond. At least my information is up-to-date.
--
Dick
Richard Kaulfuss
>
> You asked about Izatt Avenue. It is
> > just left, off Hospital Hill, as you travel towards the town centre.
>
> Hospital Hill sounds familiar but can't remember exactly where it was. I'm
> sure I've probably been there.
You were probably born there.:-) The hospital in question was the
maternity hospital.
> The places I went were usually around where I
> lived or my uncles at Tuke St. - do you know where it is? and I was familar
> with Townhill and Pattiesmuir because I had aunts there too, and we used to
> play field hockey at Pitreavie Playing fields every Saturday morning - great
> times.. Another place we went to all the time was the public park - did some
> "sledging" there if we got a little snow. Ah youth.... -;)
>
The public park is still there albeit a bit smaller than you would
remember - it's now split in two by a dual carriageway. I think the
bandstand was declared unsafe recently. Ah, vandalism and neglect! :-(
--
Dick
Helen Ramsay
"MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote >
>
> I think a Can. dollar is something like 2 pounds 25p for every $1.00. I
> don't know anything about British pounds vs Canadian dollars, etc. - no
idea
> at all.
Other way round Mary. £1 = Cdn$2.18/US$1.48
Cheers,
Helen
MaryJ
I got a bit mixed up there. Actually, I knew it was the other way around,
because I looked it up on the Universal calculator before I wrote the above
message. That shows how quickly I got confused about it. I normally don't
deal in pounds, mostly in U.S. dollars when I sell and buy stuff on Ebay -:)
So there is a little over $2.00 Can. in one pound? That sounds better than
the way I had it above -;)
By the way, I don't have a pound sign on my keyboard. I don't need it
anyway, but all the keyboards I have ever seen or bought here are North
American keyboards. Did you buy yours in the old country and bring it back
here? or do you have a keyboard that has both dollar sign and pound sign?
Actually, I just bought a keyboard a few months ago out of Future Shop. Its
just the same as all the others I've ever hard = dollar signs.
Mary
nick-durie
The Kelty visitor was in a shopping centre - maybe that one off the Norloch
(Princes Street Gardens), canna mind the nem o it, an me an erstwhile
denizen of S. Queensferry.
>
> --
> Dick
>
Helen Ramsay
"MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote
<snip>
> By the way, I don't have a pound sign on my keyboard. I don't need it
> anyway, but all the keyboards I have ever seen or bought here are North
> American keyboards. Did you buy yours in the old country and bring it
back
> here? or do you have a keyboard that has both dollar sign and pound sign?
> Actually, I just bought a keyboard a few months ago out of Future Shop.
Its
> just the same as all the others I've ever hard = dollar signs.
Mine is a North American keyboard too. All you have to do is hold down the
Alt key while you key in 0163 on the numeric keypad on the right of your
keyboard and that gives you a £ sign.
Cheers,
Helen
MaryJ
So thats what you do.
Thanks.
Mary
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers
> Hospital Hill sounds familiar but can't remember exactly where it was.
Hospital Hill - if you go down New row and travel towards Rosyth, Hospital
Hill was just before you left the town. There is housing beyond that part
now but there would be none back then.
> I'm
> sure I've probably been there. The places I went were usually around where
I
> lived or my uncles at Tuke St. - do you know where it is?
Tuke St. joins Arthur St. to Headwell Ave. My wife says I know far more
about Dunfermline than she does and she was born in Fife. I'm from the
Lothians.
> and I was familar
> with Townhill and Pattiesmuir because I had aunts there too, and we used
to
> play field hockey at Pitreavie Playing fields every Saturday morning -
great
> times.. Another place we went to all the time was the public park - did
some
> "sledging" there if we got a little snow. Ah youth.... -;)
>
> Mary
>
>
MaryJ
>
> "MaryJ" <rain...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
> news:fniS6.32442$TW.1...@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...
> > Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> message
> >
> > snip
> snip
> > Hospital Hill sounds familiar but can't remember exactly where it was.
>
> Hospital Hill - if you go down New row and travel towards Rosyth, Hospital
> Hill was just before you left the town. There is housing beyond that part
> now but there would be none back then.
I know where the New Row is because I went down and up there every day to
Queen Anne(stopping now and then to a sweet shop on the way down or
back -;), but I don't remember anything at the south end of the New Row -
wasn't the lower bus stance down that way where I used to get the bus to
Pattiesmuir? That was the Limekilns bus though. I think the Rosyth bus was a
different bus.
> > I'm
> > sure I've probably been there. The places I went were usually around
where
> I
> > lived or my uncles at Tuke St. - do you know where it is?
>
> Tuke St. joins Arthur St. to Headwell Ave. My wife says I know far more
> about Dunfermline than she does and she was born in Fife. I'm from the
> Lothians.
Yes, that is exactly where it is and yes, you do know a lot about
Dunfermline. Was your wife born in Dunfermline?
Mary
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers
Aye. The Clippie is/was the Bus Conductress. The name comes from clipping
the ticket to cancel it. Normal tickets were clipped on issue. Returns were
clipped on one side for the day of issue. The return half had to be used
within a limited time or it became invalid. Weekly tickets were clipped for
each days travel both outward and return. Most of the Clippies were great
characters and some would sing and entertain the passengers. I have a little
bit about the Kelty Bus garage on my website at:-
http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk/kelty2.htm
Incidentally, *The Clippie's Fare*, is an eatery within the No1 Inn which is
just yards from the old bus garage. The garage is now home to a Fife
Council's Vehicles garage.
It is about time I got down to adding some more content to my web site and
perhaps doing some more tarting up of the art and photos.
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers
> bearings, but they don't normally hold model-specific parts like flame
> traps and heater hoses. Nor would I expect them to. Even Volvo oil
> filters are a bit special so there's little alternative but to get them
> from the main dealer, who no longer has a presence in Dunfermline.
>
The particular vehicle I drive is a Renault Traffic and the engine is the
one that Volvo fitted to many of their vehicles. I have little bother
getting partsf rom the factors on the Pitrievie Estate. In fact the Renault
Dealers get much of their stuff from there.
> > I have only had to go to Kirkcaldy for one
> > car part for many years and that was only because Moore's Autopanels was
on
> > holiday when I needed a new sill for my Motorhome.
> >
> Davy? Moore is on permanent holiday now - he sold up last year. The
new
> occupants are in the spray painting business, IIRC.
I must have missd him by a whisker. I went in the week before for a can of
paint. When I went back for a new sill the following week there was a notice
on the door about being on holiday. I got a sill from the Kirkcaldy Dealer
and I had no need of anything since.
>
> > > There isn't even a decent book or record shop in town anymore
(apart
> > > from the excellent 3rd Base, but he's an oldies specialist).
> >
> > What's wrong with W.H. Smith who will get any book that they do not have
on
> > the shelf
>
> That's precisely what's wrong - they don't have as much on the shelf
> as Menzies did before them, and even they weren't as good as the much
> missed MacPhersons. For most people the attraction of bookshops is
> being able to browse, and buy something if it takes your fancy. Same
> goes for record shops. If I'm going to have to order something, I'd
> rather do it through Amazon. It's cheaper and usually quicker too.
>
> > and there is a large record shop in the Kingsgate Centre whose
> > name escapes me at the moment.
> >
> Large? The outlet formerly known as "Our Price" was never better than
> so-so IMO, but at least it paid lip service to other musical genres
such
> as classical, jazz, folk and world music. Last year it was transformed
> into a "V Shop" and now half its floor space is given over to mobile
> phones and DVDs. Their music offerings are limited to the Top 50 and
> a couple of racks of "best sellers". The bigger supermarkets offer much
> the same and charge less. Amazon can expect to see a lot more of my
custom
> in future.
snip
> Have you tried doing the weekly shopping for a family of four by bus?
> Or transporting several sheets of hardboard? These places were designed
> specifically for car owners.
Last I heard ASDA ran busses from most areas. Tesco delivers as does
Iceland.
>
> >There are also
> > business parks at Pitreivie, Elgin Street, Rosyth and other places,
There
> > are many small businesses tucked away in premises around the town.
>
> Not many of these are retail outlets, and their hours don't usually
> suit the working public.
>
> > Last year
> > I had a small engineering task I could not cope with myself and found a
> > small engineering shop at Baldridgeburn who did it for a tenner.
> >
> Which one, I you don't mind my asking?
The guy who owned the engineering shop was retiring but the business was
continuing under new managment. I do not know if it has changed names. I
will have to check next time I pass. If my memory serves me right it was
next to, or next but one to, Osburne Motors.
--
Aefauldlie,
Auld Bob Peffers,
b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk
Web Site, *The Eck's Files*
http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk/
>
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers
Try this one Mary. Call up CHARMAP.EXE. It should be somewhere on your start
menu. You can then set it to whatever font you are using. Double clicking
the letter or symbol(s) copies the symbol(s) to a box. Click the copy button
and then paste the symbol from there to your Document with CTRL+V. Things
like, ©,®,¼,‰ and of course £ are very easy. There are also special
character maps with various bullets and fancy artwork to enhance your docs.
Ain't the Internet wonderful?
MaryJ
> > Mary said:
> > Helen - Finally got things to work today after installing Real Audio. I
> > liked the Kelty Clippie song - very lively. But I want to make sure - as
I
> > asked above, is "Clippie" a bus conductress? Never heard of the word
> clippie
> > when I lived there, but when "On the Buses used to be on TV", didn't
they
> > say Clippie for bus conductresses on that show? thats where I heard it
> > first. Wonder where the word Clippie came from?
> >
> > I also listened to Pittenweem Joe and John Thomson. I liked Pittenweem
Joe
> > the best.
> >
> > Mary
> Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> Aye. The Clippie is/was the Bus Conductress. The name comes from clipping
> the ticket to cancel it. Normal tickets were clipped on issue. Returns
were
> clipped on one side for the day of issue. The return half had to be used
> within a limited time or it became invalid. Weekly tickets were clipped
for
> each days travel both outward and return. Most of the Clippies were great
> characters and some would sing and entertain the passengers.
I don't remember the bus conductresses being called Clippie when I lived
there in 1940's and 50's. I asked a cousin who lives here and who also lived
in Dunfermline and a little older than me and she doesn't remember the name
Clippies either. When did they start to call them Clippies?
They were just bus conductresses.
I have a little
> bit about the Kelty Bus garage on my website at:-
> http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk/kelty2.htm
I was never in Kelty that I remember so didn't know where the garage was,
but I did visit your site. The two jpgs you have of Kelty look very nice. So
green. Is that the whole of Kelty in the jpgs? It looks very small even from
the air. It looks like it is placed in a big green field.
> Incidentally, *The Clippie's Fare*, is an eatery within the No1 Inn which
is
> just yards from the old bus garage. The garage is now home to a Fife
> Council's Vehicles garage.
>
> It is about time I got down to adding some more content to my web site and
> perhaps doing some more tarting up of the art and photos.
Your site is very nice, but more content is always nice too -;)
Mary
MaryJ
snip
> Try this one Mary. Call up CHARMAP.EXE. It should be somewhere on your
start
> menu. You can then set it to whatever font you are using. Double clicking
> the letter or symbol(s) copies the symbol(s) to a box. Click the copy
button
> and then paste the symbol from there to your Document with CTRL+V. Things
> like, Š,Ž,ź,? and of course Ł are very easy. There are also special
> character maps with various bullets and fancy artwork to enhance your
docs.
> Ain't the Internet wonderful?
Thanks Bob. I'll check that out just for fun even though I don't think I'll
be needing the pound sign very much -;) I don't think I ever installed
character map since I usually just use the same font for everything, but I
can install it from my win98 CD.
Mary
ejaycee
> ? Never heard of the word clippie
> when I lived there, but when "On the Buses used to be on TV", didn't they
> first. Wonder where the word Clippie came from?
>
the ticket to show it was paid for?
Although I don't think they ever referred to male conductors as clippies.
--
from Ejaycee
in the heart of Tasmania
>
>
Richard Kaulfuss
Robert, \(Auld Bob\), Peffers (b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk) wrote:
>
> "Richard Kaulfuss" <dka...@boehme.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:0106032...@boehme.demon.co.uk...
> > Robert, \(Auld Bob\), Peffers (b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk) wrote:
> snip
> > These places are OK for generic stuff like brake pads and wheel
> > bearings, but they don't normally hold model-specific parts like flame
> > traps and heater hoses. Nor would I expect them to. Even Volvo oil
> > filters are a bit special so there's little alternative but to get them
> > from the main dealer, who no longer has a presence in Dunfermline.
> >
>
> The particular vehicle I drive is a Renault Traffic and the engine is the
> one that Volvo fitted to many of their vehicles. I have little bother
> getting partsf rom the factors on the Pitrievie Estate.
Bet you won't get a Volvo spec oil filter. Not ex-stock, anyway.
> In fact the Renault Dealers get much of their stuff from there.
>
Now why would they do something like that? Are you saying that bona fide
Renault dealers like Bowie's fit parts from non-approved sources and then
(presumably) charge the full manufacturer's price? It's the manufacturer's
part number that goes on the invoice. There's a name for that sort of
practice. What do Renault think of all this?
> > > Last year
> > > I had a small engineering task I could not cope with myself and found a
> > > small engineering shop at Baldridgeburn who did it for a tenner.
> > >
> > Which one, I you don't mind my asking?
>
> The guy who owned the engineering shop was retiring but the business was
> continuing under new managment. I do not know if it has changed names. I
> will have to check next time I pass. If my memory serves me right it was
> next to, or next but one to, Osburne Motors.
Sounds like McCallum's. It's been (yet another) second-hand car showroom
for the past two years. Another useful resource lost from Dunfermline.
--
Dick
mark mclay
I'd like to respond....the idea of V.Shop sprang out of a recognition
that with the small shopfloor space of the average Our Price we could
never offer the same kind of range as a Megastore or a large HMV. At
the back of every V.Shop we've installed a number of kiosks - computer
terminals that give you access to more than 100,000 CD's and DVD's,
available for next day delivery to your home or work address. This is
a far bigger range than any Virgin Megastore can offer, and prices are
cheaper than Amazon as all post & packing is free. Hopefully if you
check it out you'll find the jazz, folk and other specialist music you
are looking for.
Richard Kaulfuss
mark mclay (ma...@losingsleep.com) wrote:
>>> Large? The outlet formerly known as "Our Price" was never better than
>>> so-so IMO, but at least it paid lip service to other musical genres
>> such
>>> as classical, jazz, folk and world music. Last year it was transformed
>>> into a "V Shop" and now half its floor space is given over to mobile
>>> phones and DVDs. Their music offerings are limited to the Top 50 and
>>> a couple of racks of "best sellers". The bigger supermarkets offer much
>>> the same and charge less. Amazon can expect to see a lot more of my
>>> custom in future.
> I work for V.Shop (part of the Virgin Group) and (I guess obviously!)
> I'd like to respond....the idea of V.Shop sprang out of a recognition
> that with the small shopfloor space of the average Our Price we could
> never offer the same kind of range as a Megastore or a large HMV. At
> the back of every V.Shop we've installed a number of kiosks - computer
> terminals that give you access to more than 100,000 CD's and DVD's,
> available for next day delivery to your home or work address. This is
> a far bigger range than any Virgin Megastore can offer, and prices are
> cheaper than Amazon as all post & packing is free. Hopefully if you
> check it out you'll find the jazz, folk and other specialist music you
> are looking for.
>
Thanks. Obviously it's not the same as being able to browse through the
racks, but I'll give it a test drive at the weekend.
--
Dick