Woman in Scottish history
TS4SIMI
I have to write a paper for history , and I need help finding idea's
I need info on ladies in Scottish history between 1500 to 1900 that made a
difference in Scotland.
Any help would be great.
Ts4Simi
Steven Pirie-Shepherd
TS4SIMI (ts4...@aol.com) wrote:
: I have to write a paper for history , and I need help finding idea's
: Ts4Simi
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Gerlinde Krug
In article <4ueg9a$a...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, TS4SIMI <ts4...@aol.com>
writes
>I have to write a paper for history , and I need help finding idea's
>
>I need info on ladies in Scottish history between 1500 to 1900 that made a
>difference in Scotland.
>
>Any help would be great.
>
>Ts4Simi
Mary MacPherson or Mairi Mhor nan Oran - the Big Mary of the Songs, born
1921 in Skeabost, Isle of Skye. Supported the crofters and the Highland
Land League in their fight against the landowners which led to the
Napier Commission investigating their situation (from 1883) and in 1886
to the Crofters' Act. Wrote a number of political songs during that
time.
--
Gerlinde KRUG
Isle of Skye
Sandy
Wayne McCollum wrote:
>
> TS4SIMI wrote:
> >
> > I have to write a paper for history , and I need help finding idea's
> >
> > I need info on ladies in Scottish history between 1500 to 1900 that made a
> > difference in Scotland.
> >
> > Any help would be great.
> >
> > Ts4Simi
>
> heads to start answering. You'll think the red-head Scot-lassies
> conquered the whole world & would still have it if the men hadn't
> screwed up & lost it back.
> >>Wayne Mc
Who sees history clearly.
Snady
Wayne McCollum
Ian O. Morrison
In article <a9t+DCA3...@word.demon.co.uk>
WORD...@word.demon.co.uk "Gerlinde Krug" writes:
> In article <4ueg9a$a...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, TS4SIMI <ts4...@aol.com>
> writes
> >I have to write a paper for history , and I need help finding idea's
> >
> >I need info on ladies in Scottish history between 1500 to 1900 that made a
> >difference in Scotland.
> >
> >Any help would be great.
> >
> >Ts4Simi
>
> Mary MacPherson or Mairi Mhor nan Oran - the Big Mary of the Songs, born
> 1921 in Skeabost, Isle of Skye. Supported the crofters and the Highland
> Land League in their fight against the landowners which led to the
> Napier Commission investigating their situation (from 1883) and in 1886
> to the Crofters' Act. Wrote a number of political songs during that
> time.
Hmmm. First woman time traveller too.
My Great Aunt, Jenny McCallum (c1880-1948), worked in a linen factory
in Dunfermline until she took up with the cause of Women's Suffrage
and found herself imprisoned at Holloway in 1908, hence becoming an
icon of working class women's movement, until emigrating to South
Africa in 1914 (see Leah Leneman, 'A Guid Cause'). Hmmmm. Who knows
what difference she might have made?
Mary Somerville was a widely recognised mathematician, who inspired a
number of women, including several Scots, to campaign for the right to
higher education for women, resulting in, for example, the establishment
of Somerville College, Oxford, whose best known alumnus was one Margaret
Roberts (alias Thatcher). Hmmm.
--
Ian O. Morrison (i...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk)
Still hmmming after all these years
Polar
On 9 Aug 1996 13:54:37 GMT, sr...@galactose.mc.duke.edu (Steven
Pirie-Shepherd) wrote:
>TS4SIMI (ts4...@aol.com) wrote:
>: I have to write a paper for history , and I need help finding idea's
>
>: I need info on ladies in Scottish history between 1500 to 1900 that made a
>: difference in Scotland.
>
>: Any help would be great.
I hope that when you write your paper, you do not mix up possessives
and plurals, as you did above in "idea's".
Charles Mcgregor
In message <4ueg9a$a...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
ts4...@aol.com (TS4SIMI) writes:
> I have to write a paper for history , and I need help finding idea's
> I need info on ladies in Scottish history between 1500 to 1900 that made a
> difference in Scotland.
> Any help would be great.
> Ts4Simi
Mary Queen of scots
Jenny Geddes
Queen Anne
Flora McDonald
Countess of Sutherland(1775ish)
Mary Slessor
Assuming Victoria and other royalty do not count since the Act of Union.
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Wayne McCollum
Ian O. Morrison wrote:
>
> In article <a9t+DCA3...@word.demon.co.uk>
> WORD...@word.demon.co.uk "Gerlinde Krug" writes:
> My Great Aunt, Jenny McCallum (c1880-1948), worked in a linen factory
Ah there is the 'link' again. Also the icon thing agin. BTW,
I have discovered(by way of e-mail search & clan NG), a couple of
Maol Chalium gents in Scotland. One is a Malcolm & one is a McCollum.
Quite unusual(IMO), to find the 'O' spelling there.
>>WMC
Dr. James R. Stewart PE CQA
Sandy wrote:
>
> Wayne McCollum wrote:
> >
> > TS4SIMI wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I need info on ladies in Scottish history between 1500 to 1900 that made a
> > > difference in Scotland.
> > >
> > > Any help would be great.
> > >
> > > Ts4Simi
> >
> > heads to start answering. You'll think the red-head Scot-lassies
> > conquered the whole world & would still have it if the men hadn't
> > screwed up & lost it back.
> > >>Wayne Mc
>
>
> Snady
At least, for MY history, ALL of them. Who can say which one, high or
small can be done away with without unsnarling my fragile chain of DNA?
Many years ago, I laughed at a young fellow who was forced to introduce
his parents to a group of over 100. He studdered and sperted out
"Without my mother I wouldn't be here." Knowing the hardships the Scots
have endured over the past several centuries, that young man said more
then he will ever know that night. The red rose and white rose should be
important to us all!
Jim
Bill Bedford
>
>I need info on ladies in Scottish history between 1500 to 1900 that
>made a difference in Scotland.
>
>Any help would be great.
>
>Ts4Simi
Do you mean this literally or do do you mean significant women. If it is
the latter, most will be unrecorded.
--
Bill Bedford bi...@mousa.demon.co.uk
Shetland
Brit_Rail-L list auto...@mousa.demon.co.uk
Mike Wade
In article <199608102...@zetnet.co.uk>, Charles Mcgregor
<chi...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>In message <4ueg9a$a...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
> ts4...@aol.com (TS4SIMI) writes:
>
>> I have to write a paper for history , and I need help finding idea's
>
>> difference in Scotland.
>
>> Any help would be great.
>
>> Ts4Simi
>
>Jenny Geddes
>Queen Anne
>Flora McDonald
>Countess of Sutherland(1775ish)
>Mary Slessor
>
>Assuming Victoria and other royalty do not count since the Act of Union.
Elizabeth Grant of Rothiemurchas - she didn't really 'make a
difference', but she wrote a great account of highland society, 1797-
1814, published as 'Memoirs of a Highland Lady'.
Is there a history of women in Scotland? If not, someone should write
it.
--
Mike Wade
Ian O. Morrison
In article <dZl7aJAr...@mwade.demon.co.uk>
cel...@mwade.demon.co.uk "Mike Wade" writes:
> Elizabeth Grant of Rothiemurchas - she didn't really 'make a
> difference', but she wrote a great account of highland society, 1797-
> 1814, published as 'Memoirs of a Highland Lady'.
I agree, on both counts - a great account but how much difference did
it make?
In a similar vein, but a wee bit later, Constance Frederica Gordon
Cumming, was a great travel writer of late Victorian times, better
known in California than she is in her native Moray even. She spotted
the potential of Yosemite even before John Muir.
Her mother, Eliza Gordon Cumming, was the first to recognise the
existence of fossil fish in quarries on the Cumming estate at
Lethen Bar. Her network of contacts brought the likes of Hugh
Miller and Louis Agassiz (no, not Andre!) to the area, and it was
her illustrations that brought them to the attention of a wider
world in pre-Darwinian days.
Then there was Grace Ann Milne/McCall/Prestwich, a niece of the great
Moray-born geologist, Hugh Falconer. I suspect that much of the work
attributed to her second husband, Joseph Prestwich, including a
seminal investigation of the geology of the English Channel, was
carried out, in fact, by her. She travelled throughout Europe with
her Uncle Hugh, passing the Battle of Magenta in full swing and
meeting up with Mary Somerville (there SHE is again!) in Rome. She
later championed the cause of higher education for women, and was
involved in the founding of Somerville College at Oxford (there IT
is again!).
>
> Is there a history of women in Scotland? If not, someone should write
> it.
I wrote a brief account of the lives of seven Moray women while
researching an exhibition on the topic some years ago ("Seven Moray
Women", I O Morrison, Moray District Council, 1988). There is a
biographical dictionary of women just out (reviewed in Scotland on
Sunday yesterday).
--
Ian O. Morrison (i...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk)
A Wyld Wykkyd Helandman fae Linlithgowshire
gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
In <dZl7aJAr...@mwade.demon.co.uk>, Mike Wade <cel...@mwade.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>Is there a history of women in Scotland? If not, someone should write
>it.
There is.
Virgins and viragos : a history of Scottish women, 1080-1980, Collins, 1983
ISBN 0002160390
There is also a collection of photographs of 19th/20th Century Scots women in a
book published by National Museum of Scotland. Something for
alt.sex.historical?
Rusty Celt at Fiddler's Green
gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote:
>
> In <dZl7aJAr...@mwade.demon.co.uk>, Mike Wade <cel...@mwade.demon.co.uk> writes:
> >
> >Is there a history of women in Scotland? If not, someone should write
> >it.
>
> There is.
>
> Virgins and viragos : a history of Scottish women, 1080-1980, Collins, 1983
> ISBN 0002160390
may also be found under: ISBN 0-89733-074-9 and ISBN 0-89733-075-7 (pbk.)
The author is Rosalind K. Marshall.
Rusty Aasheim
Alastair Dickson
In <dZl7aJAr...@mwade.demon.co.uk>, Mike Wade
<cel...@mwade.demon.co.uk> wrote
>Is there a history of women in Scotland?
>
There's Elspeth King's "The Thenew Factor" on women in the west of
Scotland. Published in the last couple of years, but I can't remember
the publisher.
-- Alastair Dickson, Stirling, Scotland
-- <adic...@post.almac.co.uk>
Mike Wade
In article <839860...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>, "Ian O. Morrison"
<I...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk> writes
* snips lots of interesting bits *
>
>>
>> Is there a history of women in Scotland? If not, someone should write
>> it.
>
>I wrote a brief account of the lives of seven Moray women while
>researching an exhibition on the topic some years ago ("Seven Moray
>Women", I O Morrison, Moray District Council, 1988).
Doubtless you get royalties?
>There is a
>biographical dictionary of women just out (reviewed in Scotland on
>Sunday yesterday).
>
I missed this, and I've chucked the paper out. Was this a biographical
dictionary of Scottish women? What a useful book that would be.
The other sugggestions over there on the right hand side of this thread
are also very good. But I haven't seen that Virgins and Viragos book
anywhere.
--
Mike Wade
gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
In <oW+QjLAa...@mwade.demon.co.uk>, Mike Wade <cel...@mwade.demon.co.uk> writes:
>In article <839860...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>, "Ian O. Morrison"
><I...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>>biographical dictionary of women just out (reviewed in Scotland on
>>Sunday yesterday).
>>
>I missed this, and I've chucked the paper out. Was this a biographical
>dictionary of Scottish women? What a useful book that would be.
I think Ian was writing in code. It's a biographical dictionary of Scottish
women "just out". Presumably a directory of newly lesbianised Scots
wifies. Might not be up your street Mike though I'll keep my eye on
alt.sex.historical just to check ...
RUSTY CELT
In article <oW+QjLAa...@mwade.demon.co.uk>, Mike Wade
<cel...@mwade.demon.co.uk> writes:
>The other sugggestions over there on the right hand side of this thread
>are also very good. But I haven't seen that Virgins and Viragos book
>anywhere.
>--
Here's the address of the publisher:
Academy Chicago, Ltd.
425 North Michigan Avenue
Chicago, Illinois 60611
The dust cover is a nice magenta...
Rosalind K. Marshall was a fellow of the Royal Society of Literature and
lived in Edinburgh at the time the book was printed in 1983. She has also
written, "The Days of Duchess Anne," and "Mary of Guise." Some of the
illustrations in the book include, Jane Welsh, Mrs. Thomas Carlyle, by
Kenneth Macleay (Scottish National Portrait Gallery), Mary Fairfax, Mrs.
William Somerville, by Thomas Phillips (Scottish National Portrait
Gallery), and Flora Drummond, 1936 by Flora Lion (scottish National
Portrait Gallery).
Flora Drummond was the leader of the Women's Social and Political Union in
London in 1907. She was orginially from the island of Arran.
Hope this helps,
Rusty Aasheim
Mike Wade
In article <4upqtl$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, RUSTY CELT
<rust...@aol.com> writes
> Jane Welsh, Mrs. Thomas Carlyle,
I thought of her.
But it is quite hard to think of well known women in mainstream Scottish
History isn't it? Talk about hidden from history.
Presumably there have been social histories (even if they're university
theses) written of woman-dominated industries in Scotland: what about
textiles, or domestic service? There's some excellent accounts of
women's lives in these trades in the north west of England, but I can't
recall seeing anything specifically Scottish.
>
>
>Hope this helps,
>Rusty Aasheim
Ma'am you are always most obliging.
--
Mike Wade
Ian O. Morrison
In article <oW+QjLAa...@mwade.demon.co.uk>
cel...@mwade.demon.co.uk "Mike Wade" writes:
> >I wrote a brief account of the lives of seven Moray women while
> >researching an exhibition on the topic some years ago ("Seven Moray
> >Women", I O Morrison, Moray District Council, 1988).
>
> Doubtless you get royalties?
Actualy, no, as I did it as part of my duties as an employee of aforesaid
District Council. Mind you, the leaflet sold for the magnificent sum of
25p, if I remember rightly. Most of the 'profit' went on supplying
copies to the copyright libraries.
>
> >There is a
> >biographical dictionary of women just out (reviewed in Scotland on
> >Sunday yesterday).
> >
> I missed this, and I've chucked the paper out. Was this a biographical
> dictionary of Scottish women? What a useful book that would be.
Its published by Chambers (price 25 UKP) and includes women of many
nationalities. I've just checked it out in Thins (can't afford to
buy a copy!). Constance 'Eka' Gordon Cumming is in there (under 'G'
for Gordon) and a quick browse reminded me, to my shame, that the
woman after whom Somerville College was named was actually Mary
Fairfax (alias Somerville), born in Jedburgh, whose best known
achievment was the translation of Laplace's 'Mechanism of the Cosmos'.
Laplace is supposed to have said that she was the only person who
ever fully understood what he was on about.
So there are a few Scottish women in there, as you would expect with
a Chambers publication.
--
Ian O. Morrison (i...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk)
A Wyld Wykkyd Helandman with an Interest in Old Women
gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
In <s0+xrTAY...@mwade.demon.co.uk>, Mike Wade <cel...@mwade.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>Presumably there have been social histories (even if they're university
>theses) written of woman-dominated industries in Scotland: what about
>textiles, or domestic service? There's some excellent accounts of
>women's lives in these trades in the north west of England, but I can't
>recall seeing anything specifically Scottish.
What you need is a copy of British Reports, Translations and Theses received
at the British Library Document Supply Centre ...
This is a bibliography of, well, Reports, Translations (you get the idea).
Should be available at your nearest academic library maybe even the
larger Public Libraries in the bigger cities.
And, of course, a few hours to kill.
Brudearg
On Aug 13, 1996 14:46:47 in article <Re: Woman in Scottish history>,
'gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk' wrote:
>In <s0+xrTAY...@mwade.demon.co.uk>, Mike Wade
<cel...@mwade.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>Presumably there have been social histories (even if they're university
>>theses) written of woman-dominated industries in Scotland: what about
>>textiles, or domestic service? There's some excellent accounts of
>>women's lives in these trades in the north west of England, but I can't
>>recall seeing anything specifically Scottish.
unfortunately out of print, about this fascinating 19th century woman from
a Fraserburgh fisherfolk family ... she wrote it after spending at least 20
(or 40?) years in an "asylum" after committing herself, I think, because
she was tired of life.
I don't have a copy ... and I'm still looking for one !!
Brudearg
DOBSCAN
In article <320DA0...@eiger.ceet.niu.edu>, "Dr. James R. Stewart PE
CQA" <Ste...@eiger.ceet.niu.edu> writes:
>
>At least, for MY history, ALL of them. Who can say which one, high or
>small can be done away with without unsnarling my fragile chain of DNA?
>Many years ago, I laughed at a young fellow who was forced to introduce
>his parents to a group of over 100. He studdered and sperted out
>"Without my mother I wouldn't be here." Knowing the hardships the Scots
>have endured over the past several centuries, that young man said more
>then he will ever know that night. The red rose and white rose should be
>important to us all!
>
>Jim
Hear hear to the above.
The women of Scotland are the back bone of the nation. They are amongst
the strongest forces of the world. They came through clearences,
slaughters, transportings etc., and they did it with bairns in their arms
and in their bellies. They suffered the same consequences as the men but
they did it with grace and streingth while taking care of the children and
ensuring the nation a future.
To label a few as special is an insult (unintended I am sure) to the many
thousands who suffered the daily trudge of life.
I can remember my mother, when we first came to Canada, leaving a very
wealthy life in Scotland with private schools, cars, a big house etc., and
because of unfortunate events, choosing to go and scrub school floors on
her hands and knees rather than give in and return to Scotland. I remember
the tears in her eyes the time a pipe band marched down the our road in
Montreal. I remember her making my father promise that if she died in this
God forsaken place that she would be buried at home in Scotland. I
remember the sweat dripping down her head in the summer, and her shivering
in the winter because my brother and I got the warm coats, I remember my
parents saying they were not hungry while my brother and I scoffed down
mince and tatties, never noticing that the pot was only 1/2 full. Her
hands cracked with the cold because the gloves went to the bairns. There
are a thousand memories of both my parents giving to us in the beliefe
that they could, through their sacrifice, give us a better life.
If you want to know about the great women of Scotland just ask any wee boy
who lived the immigrant experience.
Dave M.
Michael Paterson
Rusty Celt at Fiddler's Green <rus...@exis.net> wrote:
>gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote:
>>
>> In <dZl7aJAr...@mwade.demon.co.uk>, Mike Wade <cel...@mwade.demon.co.uk> writes:
>> >
>> >Is there a history of women in Scotland? If not, someone should write
>> >it.
>>
>> There is.
>>
>> Virgins and viragos : a history of Scottish women, 1080-1980, Collins, 1983
>> ISBN 0002160390
>> Oh Gordon, you beat me to it! Here's another couple of catalogue #'s the book
>may also be found under: ISBN 0-89733-074-9 and ISBN 0-89733-075-7 (pbk.)
>The author is Rosalind K. Marshall.
>Rusty Aasheim - Virago de Luxe.
Hah, Rusted One, you beat me to it! I was going to nominate YOU under
the second category!!
Měcheil Rob MacPhŕdruig
Drůisire:duine-uamhal
Alan Blacklock
DOBSCAN wrote:
Very relevant bits removed with care
>
> If you want to know about the great women of Scotland just ask any wee boy
> who lived the immigrant experience.
> Dave M.
Without taking away from what was said I would like to slightly modify
this by saying, ask any big boy about the debt he owes to his Mum.
Alan
DOBSCAN
In article <321183...@frc.niwa.cri.nz>, Alan Blacklock
<am...@frc.niwa.cri.nz> writes:
Absolutly right I was stuck in childhood memories. I was seldom told of
the streingth of the women around me as I grew, (or the men for that
matter) it was something that was shown daily both by my parents and by
rest of the family when I went home to Scotland. They were just doing what
had to done, no big deal. Grandmothers who raised between 7 to 9 children,
without machines etc., and worked in the fields, or on other jobs 12 to 14
hours a day, yet always had the time to do a wee bit extra for someone in
need. The expression was always ach the poor sould I'll just nip round and
;;;;;;;;;;;; they were never the pour soul though. It seems that this
spirit will die with our mothers now that everyone is out to find
themsels, as my mother used to say I didn't know they were lost as well as
what a lot of tripe they should be home with their bairns the poor wee
souls. I remember when a wiefie going down the road would stop and correct
the actions of some child and it was not only accepted by an adult but an
expectation of the other adults. Perhaps that is what Mrs. clinton meant
in her book "It takes a village."
Dave M.
Jack Campin
Mike Wade <cel...@mwade.demon.co.uk> wrote
> Is there a history of women in Scotland?
A few more suggestions, with no particular rationale except that I happen
to have them:
- Linda Mahood: _The Magdalenes: Prostitution in the Nineteenth Century_
(Routledge, 1990), mainly about the system of control and repression
used in Glasgow, and which survived in Ireland into the 1960s.
- Elspeth King, _The Scottish Women's Suffrage Movement_ (People's Palace
Museum, Glasgow).
- Christina Larner, _Enemies of God: the Witch-Hunt in Scotland_ (Blackwell,
1981).
Cited as forthcoming in Mahood's book, though I haven't seen it:
- E. Breitenbach and E. Gordon (eds): _The World is Ill Divided: Women and
Work in Scotland, 1830-1940_, Edinburgh University Press, 1990.
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Jack Campin ja...@purr.demon.co.uk
T/L, 2 Haddington Place, Edinburgh EH7 4AE, Scotland (+44) 131 556 5272
--------------------- Save Scunthorpe from Censorship ---------------------
Wayne McCollum
Brudearg wrote:
>
> 40?) years in an "asylum" after committing herself, I think, because
> she was tired of life.
>
> I don't have a copy ... and I'm still looking for one !!
>
> Brudearg
I understand that. I remember the day I committed myself.
I got married 2x yrs ago.(I was verrrry young). I got life!
>>WMC
RUSTY CELT
In article <4urk7n$2...@marine.jumppoint.com>, mik...@jumppoint.com
(Michael Paterson) writes:
>
>>Rusty Aasheim - Virago de Luxe.
>
>Hah, Rusted One, you beat me to it! I was going to nominate YOU under
>the second category!!
>
>Měcheil Rob MacPhŕdruig
>Drůisire:duine-uamhal
>
And snogs to you too, Sweetie! Hope you're well hidden, my girls and a
few merchant seamen are looking for you...
Ceilteach Meirgeach
Mike Wade
In article <14...@purr.demon.co.uk>, Jack Campin <ja...@purr.demon.co.uk>
writes
>
> Mike Wade <cel...@mwade.demon.co.uk> wrote
>> Is there a history of women in Scotland?
>
>A few more suggestions, with no particular rationale except that I happen
>to have them:
So are you going to lend me them?
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Jack Campin ja...@purr.demon.co.uk
>T/L, 2 Haddington Place, Edinburgh EH7 4AE, Scotland (+44) 131 556 5272
>--------------------- Save Scunthorpe from Censorship ---------------------
>
--
Mike Wade
Wayne McCollum
DOBSCAN wrote:
> Snip very good material
>e actions of some child and it was not only accepted by an adult but an
> expectation of the other adults. Perhaps that is what Mrs. clinton meant
> in her book "It takes a village."
> Dave M.
One must always look at 'big picture' when trying to determine what
Pres.Ms.Clinton is trying to say/not say. In the 70's she gave a
speech at a Woman's University(no, don't remember which one. maybe I
can find the article as I keep them often for yrs), in which she said
that "we must re-think the patriarchal system of family". Lots of
stuff being said there if one remembers her ties to feminist groups in
those years. I don't think we need to re-think.. maybe re-instate it!
Waxing political>>>Wayne McRush