The Monarchy in Scotland
Craig Cockburn
With reference to the famous vote in January
(see http://www.scot.demon.co.uk/scotfaq/11_5.html) when 56% of Scots
voted to abolish the monarchy in Scotland, and the prospect of a
Scottish parliament looming closer, I would like to ask the major
parties how they see the status of the Royal Family in Scotland post-
devolution.
The government white paper on Scottish devolution states in section 4.2
that "The Queen will continue to be the Head of State of the United
Kingdom" and in section 3.3 that "The constitution of the United Kingdom
including the crown...." will be a power reserved by Westminster.
However, many Scots are unhappy with the Royal Family and their role in
Scotland. In an ideal world, the Scottish parliament would be able to
legislate on such matters. However, in the absence of that I would like
the Labour, Liberal, SNP and Conservative parties to state whether they
would be willing to have a referendum during the first session of the
Scottish parliament (due to be 2000-2004) asking the people of Scotland
whether the Queen should continue as head of state in Scotland. The
results of this referendum to be effected by the Scottish or Westminster
parliaments as is appropriate at the time.
--
Craig Cockburn ("coburn"), Du\n E/ideann, Alba. (Edinburgh, Scotland)
http://www.scot.demon.co.uk/ E-mail: cr...@scot.demon.co.uk
Sgri\obh thugam 'sa Gha\idhlig ma 'se do thoil e.
Ian O. Morrison
In article <aiXfZJA9...@scot.demon.co.uk>
cr...@scot.demon.co.uk "Craig Cockburn" writes:
> With reference to the famous vote in January
> (see http://www.scot.demon.co.uk/scotfaq/11_5.html) when 56% of Scots
> voted to abolish the monarchy in Scotland,
I don't want to appear pedantic, but 56% of Scots did not vote to abolish
the monarchy in that poll. 56% of those people living in Scotland who
responded to a television debate by phoning in, did so to vote against
retention of the monarchy. Presumably it was those who were interested
in the subject who were watching the programme, and those that had
strong views who got off their a**es to phone in a vote. That's not
necessarily representative of the population as a whole, and neither
is it a very convincing majority, even of that self-selected few.
> and the prospect of a
> Scottish parliament looming closer, I would like to ask the major
> parties how they see the status of the Royal Family in Scotland post-
> devolution.
If it is such a popular viewpoint, why was a prominent SNP MP jumped
on from a great height by the party hierarchy when she put forward
a republican point of view? Why do none of the major parties take
this one on board?
As a republican myself, I wish the answer was as you suggest, but
I feel that there's a wee bit further to go before the Scottish
people would actually vote to abolish the monarchy.
--
Ian O. Morrison
Sawney Beane
On Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:55:25 +0100, Craig Cockburn
<cr...@scot.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>I would like to ask the major parties how they see the status of the
>Royal Family in Scotland post-devolution.
I will once again state for the record that, if you are going to
reconstitute a parliament which was not even officially dissolved in
1707, you have every opportunity to reconstitute the position of King
(or Queen) of Scots. This would have *several* beneficial effects:
1.) It is good for business. A sitting Scottish monarch with, as it
were, regalia in hand would bring in just as much (if not more,
initially) tourist revenue as the Royals do in England.
2.) It is good for the State. You can always send a monarch to events
at home and abroad which require the presence of *somebody* (state
funerals, dinners, etc.). In the States, this position is filled by
the Vice President.
3.) It is good for morale. "King of Scots" is the unique title given
to Scots royalty. There is a subtle difference between "King of
Scotland" and "King of Scots." You don't hear the British equivalent
referred to as "King of Brits," do you? That's because a Scottish
monarch *should* have a closer connection to his/her people. As no
doubt *could* be done in Buckingham if they weren't all such utter
twits and ponces.
4.) It would show up the bloody sassenachs once and for all. It would
put a stopper in the pie-holes of all damnable unionist thralls which
they'd *never* get out. It would be done better, for less money, with
better people...than the English do. I for one would be delighted.
We'd get Holyrood and Balmoral back just for starters. It'd be very
easy to nullify the title of the present "Duke of Edinburgh," whose
other official title, "Her Majesty's Gigolo," (Queen Consort,
*whatever*) he could keep. The same goes for Prince Tampon, if Wales
ever gets loose. Andy's nae so bad; he could apply for citizenship.
5.) Let all those who have a reflexive knee-jerk antipathy to monarchs
anywhere consider those of Monaco and the Netherlands. I personally
favour King Johnnie Dumfries, presently 7th (or is it 8th) Marquess of
Bute, and (I think) the leading Stuart in line for the throne (unless
it's the Earl of Galloway, which I doubt). He's a regular bloke who
despises aristocratic nonsense and loves motorsports. I think he'd do
a fine job cutting ribbons, launching ships, and bestowing honours.
I fail to see why devolutionists, independence-seekers, home-rule
advocates, and other freedom-fighters (for that is what you are)
should balk at this possibility. Are you so cowed that you don't
remember how Scots kings were formerly declared?
Raise The Standard!,
---Sawney Beane
Grizell O'Twatt
In article <33e7c06e...@news.pacbell.net>
Hav...@Nice.Snack "Sawney Beane" writes:
<monarchist nonsense snipped>
> 5.) Let all those who have a reflexive knee-jerk antipathy to monarchs
> anywhere consider those of Monaco and the Netherlands. I personally
> favour King Johnnie Dumfries, presently 7th (or is it 8th) Marquess of
> Bute, and (I think) the leading Stuart in line for the throne (unless
> it's the Earl of Galloway, which I doubt). He's a regular bloke who
> despises aristocratic nonsense and loves motorsports. I think he'd do
> a fine job cutting ribbons, launching ships, and bestowing honours.
If we must have a monarch, and it has to be a Stuart, I would like
to nominate Flora Maxwell Stuart, of Traquair. Not only does she
have a d*mn fine name and a d*mn fine house but she can brew a
d*mn fine pint of ale.
<more monarchist twaddle snipped>
--
Grizell O'Twatt, Struggling for a Moral Scotland (which therefore
requires the removal of all Royals)
*Blessed are the beermakers*
David Boothroyd
In article <aiXfZJA9...@scot.demon.co.uk>, Craig Cockburn writes:
>
> With reference to the famous vote in January when 56% of Scots
> voted to abolish the monarchy in Scotland, ..
There was no such vote. This refers to the ITV programme which ended in a
phone-in, the Scottish portion of which was 44% in favour and 56% against
the retention of the monarchy. This does not amount to a proper poll as
it is entirely self-selecting.
--
\/ David Boothroyd, psephologist, Libertarian socialist.De minimis non curat DB
British Elections and Politics at http://www.qmw.ac.uk/~laws/election/home.html
The House of Commons now: Lab 416, C 163, L Dem 46, UU 10, SNP 6, PC 4, SDLP 3,
SF 2, UDUP 2, Ind 1, UKUP 1, Spkrs 4 + 1 seat vacant. Government majority = 178
Nigel J. Carron
In article <33e7c06e...@news.pacbell.net>, Sawney Beane
<Hav...@Nice.Snack> writes
> you have every opportunity to reconstitute the position of King
>(or Queen) of Scots. This would have *several* beneficial effects:
>
>1.) It is good for business. A sitting Scottish monarch with, as it
>were, regalia in hand would bring in just as much (if not more,
>initially) tourist revenue as the Royals do in England.
>
>2.) It is good for the State. You can always send a monarch to events
>at home and abroad which require the presence of *somebody* (state
>funerals, dinners, etc.). In the States, this position is filled by
>the Vice President.
Oh gawd,
What a dire thought, more bloody monarchy. Lets just get rid of
the Monarchy & keep the union! The Republic of the United Kingdom !
RUK off.
Nigel J. Carron
Statements do not represent C. G. Systems Policy.
Sawney Beane
On Tue, 5 Aug 1997 00:09:11 +0100, Nigel J. Carron
<n...@cabra.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>In article <33e7c06e...@news.pacbell.net>, Sawney Beane
><Hav...@Nice.Snack> writes
>> you have every opportunity to reconstitute the position of King
>
>Oh gawd,
> What a dire thought, more bloody monarchy. Lets just get rid of
>the Monarchy & keep the union! The Republic of the United Kingdom !
...And Nigel could be the Court Jester...
Alas, Poor Nigel,
---Sawney Beane
Stephen Hamilton
--
Remove the "nospam" from my address to reply.
"Grizell O'Twatt" <got...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<870698...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>...
> we must have a monarch, and it has to be a Stuart, I would like
> to nominate Flora Maxwell Stuart, of Traquair. Not only does she
> have a d*mn fine name and a d*mn fine house but she can brew a
> d*mn fine pint of ale.
> <more monarchist twaddle snipped>
>
> --
> Grizell O'Twatt, Struggling for a Moral Scotland (which therefore
> requires the removal of all Royals)
> *Blessed are the beermakers*
>
>
I'm sure this will start quite a brew, haha in the ng. Well done.
Stephen
Adrienne N. Marshall
S.B., desirous of a direct line Stuart monarch for Scotland said:
> I personally
> favour King Johnnie Dumfries, presently 7th (or is it 8th) Marquess of
> Bute, and (I think) the leading Stuart in line for the throne (unless
> it's the Earl of Galloway, which I doubt). He's a regular bloke who
> despises aristocratic nonsense and loves motorsports. I think he'd do
> a fine job cutting ribbons, launching ships, and bestowing honours.
Grizzell O' Twatt concurred:
> we must have a monarch, and it has to be a Stuart, I would like
> to nominate Flora Maxwell Stuart, of Traquair. Not only does she
> have a d*mn fine name and a d*mn fine house but she can brew a
> d*mn fine pint of ale.
I know the choice of a Scottish monarch isn't any of my business (I read
but stay out of most political threads for this same reason - except for
the socialist ones of course &:^) and even though I'm aware that I'm
treading on hallowed ground here, I still wish to ask:
Why another Stuart? Haven't they been rather *bad luck* for Scotland
overall?
Wouldn't a *Wallace* be a much better candidate for the position? (If
you insist on maintaining a monarchy, that is.)
Just a thought,
Adrienne
Grizell O'Twatt
In article <33E6E1...@pacbell.net>
Adr...@pacbell.net "Adrienne N. Marshall" writes:
<royal snippings>
> I know the choice of a Scottish monarch isn't any of my business (I read
> but stay out of most political threads for this same reason - except for
> the socialist ones of course &:^) and even though I'm aware that I'm
> treading on hallowed ground here, I still wish to ask:
> Why another Stuart? Haven't they been rather *bad luck* for Scotland
> overall?
A mixed bag, I would say. James IV seems to have been quite a
civilised man, until embarking on an ill-advised trip to England
and a messy end at Flodden, of course. James VI - the *wisest
fool in christendom* was highly cultured, sponsoring, for example,
Shakespeare. He had an unfortunate obsession with witches though.
> Wouldn't a *Wallace* be a much better candidate for the position? (If
> you insist on maintaining a monarchy, that is.)
Personally, I wouldn't insist on retaining a monarchy. It was
Mr Bean who was pursuing that argument. There are few Wallaces
around these days of sufficient stature to be an effective
monarch, in my experience. Gordon Wallace, the footballer, was
a lively character in his youth, but a wee bit lacking in inches.
There have been a number of Williams of note, including one of
Scotland's finest composers, but most of them seem to be dead, alas.
What about a Bruce? The Earl of Elgin springs to mind. At least he's
got all his marbles ;-)
PS Please don't crosspost this to alt.culture.greece
--
Grizell O'Twatt, Struggling for a Moral Scotland
Visit the O'fficial O'Twatt Web Page at www2.scran.ac.uk/staff/ianm
*Blessed are the cheesemakers* - Jesus of Nazareth (possibly)
Sawney Beane
On Tue, 05 Aug 97 08:57:24 GMT, got...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk ("Grizell
O'Twatt") wrote:
>
>Personally, I wouldn't insist on retaining a monarchy. It was
>Mr Bean who was pursuing that argument.
Aha! Copyright infringement. You call that moral? I'm notifying
Rowan Atkinson immediately!
>What about a Bruce? The Earl of Elgin springs to mind. At least he's
>got all his marbles ;-)
See my response to Adrienne: Bruce=Stuart. Also, this Earl Elgin
fellow, he's not like Earl Haig, is he? How many marbles *does* he
have? Are any of them Catseyes?
Guarding The Guardian,
---Sawney Beane
^^^^^
Sawney Beane
On Tue, 05 Aug 1997 01:17:30 -0700, Adrienne N. Marshall
<Adr...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>Why another Stuart? Haven't they been rather *bad luck* for Scotland
>overall?
Actually, it's been the bloody British (Whooops, `scuse me...)
'perfidious English gobshites (thanks, Greig)' that *opposed* them
that were the source of bad luck.
>Wouldn't a *Wallace* be a much better candidate for the position? (If
>you insist on maintaining a monarchy, that is.)
Well, see, monarchy (whether you think it good or bad [see #5. in
previous post]) depends on a straight (or at least discernable)
line-of-succession. In fact, the first Stuart (Steward -> Stewart ->
Stuart), Robert II, was the *grandson* of Robert Bruce King of Scots,
and next in line to the throne. Thereafter, through a series of
typical (for the times) mishaps, we came down through the various
Jameses and Charlies to the situation confronting London parliament
where they chose to *draft* a King (first from Holland, then later
from Germany) simply because he was a *protestant*. It so happens
that _restoring_ a Scots Sovereign would entail picking a lineal
successor to the "legitimate" line, which I believe to be Guid King
Johnnie. Since this chappie is happiest when hurtling `round twisting
asphalt in a Gran Prix roadster, and is said to be *extremely*
impatient with any notions of "divine right" or aristocracy, I think
he'd make a good candidate. Or... you could let the S.C.S.C. battle
it out with backswords in Edinburgh Castle (which is where I came in)
for the privilege of being Scotland's next monarch. This option,
aside from being a bloody good show, has the additional benefit of
being more *traditionally accurate*, as well as allowing for some
movement up the ranks within the clans (young MacLeod can avoid
having to down that gill of claret if his old man's been run through
by the MacCailean Mor).
Reading A Cookbook,
---Sawney Beane
Steven Pirie-Shepherd
[lots of suggested contenders deleted]
Tanistry! Put the contenders in a room, let them elect one of their own,
for a period of seven years, then sacrifice them to the land. Not but
would not a form of tanistry work, Elect a King or Queen for a period of 7
years from a pool of candidates? Surely the Irish president is simply the
modern equivalent? That way the post becomes more improtant than the
person.
--
__________________________________________________
Steven Pirie-Shepherd sr...@galactose.mc.duke.edu
919.684.8986 919.684.8689 FAX
-=pithy phrase=-
Nigel J. Carron
In article <33eeeafd...@news.pacbell.net>, Sawney Beane
<Hav...@Nice.Snack> writes
>Actually, it's been the bloody British (Whooops, `scuse me...)
>'perfidious English gobshites (thanks, Greig)' that *opposed* them
>that were the source of bad luck.
The Stuarts were a waste of space & opposed by the majority of the
Scottish people, most of the Jacobite troops at culloden were only there
under duress. RUK
Sawney Beane
On Mon, 04 Aug 97 12:37:22 GMT, got...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk ("Grizell
O'Twatt") wrote:
>
>If we must have a monarch, and it has to be a Stuart, I would like
>to nominate Flora Maxwell Stuart, of Traquair. Not only does she
>have a d*mn fine name and a d*mn fine house but she can brew a
>d*mn fine pint of ale.
I've no objection; is she kosher?
Making Welsh Rarebit,
---Sawney Beane
gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
In <jeeFpHAg...@mwade.demon.co.uk>, Michael Wade <cel...@mwade.demon.co.uk> writes:
>In article <5s9bl5$c...@news.ox.ac.uk>, gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
>writes
>>
>>You'll be pleased to know that the famous Irish singer, Dana, is considering
>>returning from her home in Alabama to stand for Irish President. She is
>>supposedly being encouraged by the Catholic Church to do so!
>>
>>So said The Guardian yesterday.
>>
>How about Lulu then? Or Lena Zavaroni?
Lena Zavaroni?! And who'd be the English equivalent? Bobby Crush?
Or we could elect a President with a multiple personality like
Michael Paterson/Sawney Beane/Hagbard Sealion. Or whoever any of them are.
gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
In <5s9q1b$5a2$1...@decius.ultra.net>, gi...@ultranet.com (georgette) writes:
>In article <5s9l0d$f...@news.ox.ac.uk>, gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote:
>
>>Or we could elect a President with a multiple personality like
>>Michael Paterson/Sawney Beane/Hagbard Sealion. Or whoever any of them are.
>
> result in Scotland acquiring nuclear desctruction power and
> zapping the enemy of the day at the whim of the President.
> georgette
Scotland already has nuclear capabilit. Whom should we target first?
In the spirit of Celtic solidarity why not Dana in Alabama?
Nigel J. Carron
In article <5s9v9p$k...@news.ox.ac.uk>, gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
writes
>Scotland already has nuclear capabilit. Whom should we target first?
>In the spirit of Celtic solidarity why not Dana in Alabama?
I vote the 'Flowers in the hair' place gets one FIRST!
Craig Cockburn
Ann an sgriobhainn <1hrWrOAO...@cabra.demon.co.uk>, sgriobh "Nigel
J. Carron" <n...@cabra.demon.co.uk>
>In article <5s9vd6$k...@news.ox.ac.uk>, gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
>writes
>>Looks like old Dana is going to be left dead in the water (in a metaphorical
>>rather than a Lord Mountbatten sense) as it appears John Hume may run.
>
>If (heaven forbid) Scotland ends up with a President, lets at least have
>one we can trust - so that rules out any politician, Mrs Mack?.
>
I'd vote for Hamish Henderson
Rusty Celt
Grizell O'Twatt wrote:
>
> In article <5s9l0d$f...@news.ox.ac.uk> gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes:
>
> <silly singer suggestions snipped>
> > Or we could elect a President with a multiple personality like
> > Michael Paterson/Sawney Beane/Hagbard Sealion. Or whoever any of them are.
>
>
> Paterson was elected King (or was it Queen?) of s.c.s. some time
> ago. He conspicuously betrayed our trust then, and I see no reason
> why it should be any different next time. Anyway he is a ultra-
> monarchist, so would not accept a role such as President.
s.c.s. h*ll! He promised that it would be all Scotland, Western Isles,
Canada, and whatever else he could get his hands on! I think I was to be
Queen Consort and Alexandra *The Black* Douglass was Mistress. I
personally didn't have a problem with his other facets. It was only when
I caught him trying on my coronation togs and popping the seams that he
lost my confidence. The B******d! The last I saw the dress, it was sold
off along with Princess Di's collection.
Perhaps Sandy would also like to share with us the problems she had with
him?
> If we must have a singer, could it not be a decent one? Aretha
> Franklin, for example.
That's a good one, or how about Julio Iglesias? Nope - I guess he
doesn't speak Gaelic... Tom Jones? Na, too much of a Taffy... Okay,
I'd vote for Aretha, if I could. How about a comedian, though? What's
Connelly up to now that he's finished with "Mrs. Brown?"
As for Hagbard Sealion, it's just as well he's gone. He would have
demanded a yacht to sit on (like all the rest of those California
Sealions) and I'm sure it would have cost a pretty penny, even if the
ship was privatized like the Britannia!
Ceilteach Meirgeach
But #Mohosa# - after 23.10z(ulu)
Rusty Celt
Sawney Beane wrote:
Sorry to interrupt and snip, but I just couldn't help but noticing you:
> Bubbling And Squeeking,
You need to try the new fizzy out called Virgin Lips, Sawney! It either
comes in Orange or Lemon (for sour P_____s I guess). Looks like it'd
really wet your whistle! I swear, what will they think of next?
Okay, back to talking about the Monarchy...
Rusty
Nigel J. Carron
>Lena Zavaroni?! And who'd be the English equivalent? Bobby Crush?
>
>
>Michael Paterson/Sawney Beane/Hagbard Sealion. Or whoever any of them are.
Well if my theory aboy Hagbard Sealion et al, actually being Prince
Charles is true, we'd end up with the worst scenario - A right royal
P.I.T.A president.
PS the A is for arse.
Charles Mcgregor
In message <97080417...@election.demon.co.uk>
David Boothroyd <da...@election.demon.co.uk> writes:
> In article <aiXfZJA9...@scot.demon.co.uk>, Craig Cockburn writes:
> >
> > With reference to the famous vote in January when 56% of Scots
> > voted to abolish the monarchy in Scotland, ..
> There was no such vote. This refers to the ITV programme which ended in a
> phone-in, the Scottish portion of which was 44% in favour and 56% against
> the retention of the monarchy. This does not amount to a proper poll as
> it is entirely self-selecting.
I know of no poll where the participants are forced to give an opinion.
Besides, a more conventional poll carried out by the Record about a
month previous to that program, showed an even bigger vote against.
regards
chic
SashaLynne
In article <33f2b2c7...@news.pacbell.net>, Hav...@Nice.Snack (Sawney
Beane) writes:
>As for the idea of a schizophrenic president: it could greatly save on
>the cost of salaries for cabinet-ministers...
Actually, I think we're talking Multiple Personality Disorders here,
schizophrenics aren't usually that multifaceted. It could prove to be a
real advantage, though. Each part of the MPD has a specific function,
frequently diametrically opposed to a different part. Most Politicos act
that way anyway, but just try to spin doctor it! This would allow the
"ruler" to simply say that "Oh, that was just (fill in the Blank). I'M
NOT RESPONSIBLE!
Partially yours aye,
SashaLynne
gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
In <870945...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>, got...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk ("Grizell O'Twatt") writes:
>In article <5sc0or$e...@news.ox.ac.uk> gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes:
>
>> I suggest Sean Connery. He donates a lot of money to Scottish causes
>> you know. :-)
>
>No! No! NO!
Calm yourself man. He once played a God-King in a film with Michael Caine
so I'm sure he could hack it.
>Too old and grizzly. So is Hamish Henderson.
>
>I tell you, we need someone young and virile. How old are you
>Gordon? How virile? Will your morals stand up to scrutiny?
I'm a nineteen years old computing science student. That means I'm
extremely virile.
I'm not a big fan of Morrell's [*] (your spellchecker needs fixing)
though they do a nice pint Mild. I can always stand up after a few Morrell's.
Not too hot on apostophes. Will that matter?
Gordon
[*] Why pick on an English brewer anyway in the context of El Scottish Presidente?
SashaLynne
In article <870945...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>, got...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk
("Grizell O'Twatt") writes:
>> I suggest Sean Connery. He donates a lot of money to Scottish causes
>> you know. :-)
Old and grizzly???? I believe the term is mature and sexy! He's got legs
that would pass any bonniest knees contest, a voice that makes you want to
do whatever he says, eyes that captivate. His age would emphasize the
maturity and stability of Scotland. A twenty-year old or so bride would
give the country a young queen for the regiaphles to drool over and his
choice would emphasize the virility of Scotland. Besides with his
experience in a variety of films, he probably knows more about Scottish
History than the average Scot and certainly has had lots of experience in
dealing with the Brits!
Best suggestion so far!
Rusty Celt
Grizell O'Twatt wrote:
>
> In article <FVtaGDAV...@cabra.demon.co.uk>
> n...@cabra.demon.co.uk "Nigel J. Carron" writes:
>
> > In article <33E8EA...@exis.net>, Rusty Celt <rus...@exis.net> writes
> > >How about a comedian, though? What's
> > >Connelly up to now that he's finished with "Mrs. Brown?"
> >
>
> If we're going to have a President, we need one who can set the moral
> tone for the nation. Mr Connelly is not that person. I'm sure he is
> highly admirable in moral terms these days, but he does have a *past*.
Oh come on now, Grizell! You have got to admit, Billy played Deacon
Brodie admirably, thus demonstrating that he has at least two sides to
him. He's also got enough class to rise above his past and doesn't seem
to need a large wardrobe. This will save on some expenses. I'm sure
he'd be happy with just a new black, casual, pinstriped suit now and
then and perhaps a new bottle of black nail polish for the toes.
> We need a young, virile type of person to lead us into the new
> Millennium and show that Scotland has left its rather dismal past
> well and truly behind it. I nominate Daniela Nardini (she makes
> d*mn fine ice cream too).
Well then, as it now stands, it's 2 votes for Billy Connelly and 1 vote
for Daniela Nardini. (Just remember what I said about the wardrobe...
dressing women up always costs more!)
> --
> Grizell O'Twatt, Struggling for a Moral Scotland
> Visit the O'fficial O'Twatt Web Page at www2.scran.ac.uk/staff/ianm
> *Blessed are the icecreammakers* - Jesus of Nazareth (possibly)
I'll bet icecreammakers require ALOT of warm togs, especially if they
make enough of it...
Rusty
Sawney Beane
On 6 Aug 1997 13:47:37 GMT, gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote:
>
>Scotland already has nuclear capabilit. Whom should we target first?
>In the spirit of Celtic solidarity why not Dana in Alabama?
What makes you think Alabama doesn't have The Bomb?
Investing In Shovels,
---Sawney Beane
Sawney Beane
On 7 Aug 1997 10:08:15 GMT, sasha...@aol.com (SashaLynne) wrote:
>
>Actually, I think we're talking Multiple Personality Disorders here,
>schizophrenics aren't usually that multifaceted. It could prove to be a
>real advantage, though. Each part of the MPD has a specific function,
>frequently diametrically opposed to a different part. Most Politicos act
>that way anyway, but just try to spin doctor it! This would allow the
>"ruler" to simply say that "Oh, that was just (fill in the Blank). I'M
>NOT RESPONSIBLE!
Aye, "they" could debate the issues at length, occasionally resigning
under pressure if need be, and filling any vacancies with...HIMSELF!
I think this would be *more* understandable to the average voting
citizen than trying to puzzle out who's acting in their best interests
as they do now. At least, you'd know who to blame...
>Partially yours aye,
Hmmm, when will you be "all mine," Sasha? */;~}
Knitting A Doily (From Human Hair),
---Sawney Beane
georgette
In article <870867...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>,
got...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk ("Grizell O'Twatt") wrote:
>Paterson was elected King (or was it Queen?) of s.c.s. some time
>ago. He conspicuously betrayed our trust then, and I see no reason
>why it should be any different next time. Anyway he is a ultra-
>monarchist, so would not accept a role such as President.
>
>If we must have a singer, could it not be a decent one? Aretha
>Franklin, for example.
>
I SECOND THIS EMOTION!!!!!!!!!!!
georgette
georgette
In article <870945...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>,
>
>> I suggest Sean Connery. He donates a lot of money to Scottish causes
>> you know. :-)
>
>
>Too old and grizzly. So is Hamish Henderson.
>
>I tell you, we need someone young and virile. How old are you
>Gordon? How virile? Will your morals stand up to scrutiny?
>
Some people like old and grizzly. How about you, O'Twatt?
georgette
Nigel J. Carron
In article <870961...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>, Grizell O'Twatt
<got...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk> writes
>Perhaps I should add, for the benefit of our cousins in the
>American Colonies, that Ms Nardini is currently the star of
>the cult drama series *This Life*. Last time I saw it, she
>claimed to be so much out of practice on the s*x front that
>she thought her h*m*n was growing back. As far as I know she
>has not managed a b*nk since, and was lately reported to have
>disappeared to her room with a bottle of malt. That's just
>the character she plays, of course. In real life she is one
>of the Largs Nardinis.
How can a man compete with a bottle of Malt,
Never mind the quality.. feel the width...
Rusty Celt
Sawney Beane wrote:
>
> On Wed, 06 Aug 1997 16:35:25 -0400, Rusty Celt <rus...@exis.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >Sorry to interrupt and snip, but I just couldn't help but noticing you:
> >
> >> Bubbling And Squeeking,
>
>
> Do you have *any* idea how difficult it is coming up with a new
> "food-related" sig for each post? Hadn't thought it out first...
>
> [/Sawney_On]
>
> Making A Hash Of It,
> ---Sawney Beane
Ja ja, I know. I've got to hand it to you though, you're truly doing a
super job! (Note to lurkers in the s.c.s. peanut gallery - I'm extending
a compliment to the man so there's no need to stick any snouts in) The
group had already received their menudo and possum (also good for cats)
recipes in the past, so I think they were up for a change of pace.
By the way, I had a coupon for a free can of that new beverage I would
have given ya, but it expired in June. They've got a catchy phrase for
their advertisment, I think: "Wet Yourself with Virgin Lips"
Rusty
Billy Connelly for Preident Action Committee
georgette
In article <5s9v9p$k...@news.ox.ac.uk>, gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote:
>
>
>Scotland already has nuclear capabilit. Whom should we target first?
>In the spirit of Celtic solidarity why not Dana in Alabama?
>
On your own, or as part of the U.K.? When you separate
where will the bomblets go?
There is a song in here somewhere.
georette
Nigel J. Carron
>
>(That's three votes now, beating Big Tam at this stage in the
>election).
Billy Connolly for Prez!
Billy Connolly for Prez!
Billy Connolly for Prez!
Billy Connolly for Prez!
Billy Connolly for Prez!
Billy Connolly for Prez!
Billy Connolly for Prez!
Billy Connolly for Prez!
Billy Connolly for Prez!
Billy in the lead!
Adrienne N. Marshall
Sawney wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Aug 1997 01:06:13 -0700, Adrienne N. Marshall stamped her foot and said:
> >No, I don't see. If that is all they are expected to be, then why bother
> >having them at all?
> I refer the Honourable Lady to the answers (1-5) I gave some posts
> ago.
>
Fine, here they are:
> 1.) It is good for business.
Scotland doesn't need a monarch to make people visit in droves.
Anyway, wouldn't that extra revenue need to be spent outfitting the
Scottish Monarch with enough ostentation to draw the crowds from QEII?
> 2.) It is good for the State.
As you said, a vice president fills this role in America. Couldn't
Scotland have a vice president? It would cost a lot less.
> 3.) It is good for morale.
You (a socialist?) believe that aristocracy is "good" for morale?
> 4.) It would show up the bloody sassenachs once and for all.
Once there is Scottish independance, why care about "showing up" the
English?
> 5.) the leading Stuart in line for the throne
Since he did not reply, I will again ask the honorable gentleman my
question:
If you are going to take the trouble (and when you really think about
it, it is nothing but trouble) to have a monarch, why must their
bloodlines be blue? Why not a good red-blooded king or queen?
In the words of Burns (the ploughman and poet):
-The pith o' sense, and pride of worth,
are higher ranks than a' that.
> >Poor guy,
>
> <*GoodLord!*>
He is poor- because he has never known any kind of freedom.
> Andy
> didn't turn out so bad,
Andy wasn't the next in line for Mums throne.
Chew on that, Sawney!
(and when you get a chance, please re-read Burns' "Is There For Honest
Poverty" also known as "A Man's a Man for A' That)
Regards,
Adrienne
Grizell O'Twatt
In article <19970807103...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
sasha...@aol.com "SashaLynne" writes:
<re Big Tam, the late great Alex Kitson's mate>
> Old and grizzly???? I believe the term is mature and sexy! He's got legs
> that would pass any bonniest knees contest, a voice that makes you want to
> do whatever he says, eyes that captivate. His age would emphasize the
> maturity and stability of Scotland. A twenty-year old or so bride would
> give the country a young queen for the regiaphles to drool over and his
> choice would emphasize the virility of Scotland. Besides with his
> experience in a variety of films, he probably knows more about Scottish
> History than the average Scot and certainly has had lots of experience in
> dealing with the Brits!
I assume the last word was a typo and you actually meant Britvics.
Recent experience of our royals marrying women much younger than
themselves has not proved too successful, has it? Otherwise, I
am nearly persuaded by your arguments. I still think we should
skip the middle-aged (or even *mature*) men altogether and just
go for a twenty-something woman as our President. They all seem
so alarmingly capable these days, and even if their moral standards
are not up to those of their elders (speaking for myself, of course),
at least if they do have children we'll know that they're their
own, if you see what I mean.
Thus - Daniela Nardini.
--
Grizell O'Twatt, Struggling for a Moral Scotland
Visit the O'fficial O'Twatt Web Page at www2.scran.ac.uk/staff/ianm
*Blessed are the cheesemakers* - Jesus of Nazareth (possibly)
gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
In <33E898...@pacbell.net>, "Adrienne N. Marshall" <Adr...@pacbell.net> writes:
>Sawney wrote:
>> Actually, it's been the bloody British (Whooops, `scuse me...)
>> 'perfidious English gobshites (thanks, Greig)' that *opposed* them
>> that were the source of bad luck.
>
>> Well, see, monarchy (whether you think it good or bad [see #5. in
>> previous post]) depends on a straight (or at least discernable)
>> line-of-succession.
>I know, but thats the *problem* with monarchy- you just have to take
>what you get regardless of the heir's ability.
>I think the Highland
>chieftains of yore had the better idea - that the choice of a successor
>didn't always mean the next in the bloodline but the one most able to
>lead as well as protect his people.
So why not just extend this idea to the whole Scottish "family" and let the
people decide who is best to lead. Given we're now in the 20th Century we could
probably assume that women could do the job as well as a man. Bingo, call
the new clan chief President and the country a Republic and we've got a simple
solution ...
Garry Marling
If the Scots at hame are looking for support there are a few here in
Aussie who have strong views about the small "m" monarchy.
On Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:55:25 +0100, Craig Cockburn
<cr...@scot.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>With reference to the famous vote in January
>(see http://www.scot.demon.co.uk/scotfaq/11_5.html) when 56% of Scots
>voted to abolish the monarchy in Scotland, and the prospect of a
>Scottish parliament looming closer, I would like to ask the major
>parties how they see the status of the Royal Family in Scotland post-
>devolution.
>
>The government white paper on Scottish devolution states in section 4.2
>that "The Queen will continue to be the Head of State of the United
>Kingdom" and in section 3.3 that "The constitution of the United Kingdom
>including the crown...." will be a power reserved by Westminster.
>
>However, many Scots are unhappy with the Royal Family and their role in
>Scotland. In an ideal world, the Scottish parliament would be able to
>legislate on such matters. However, in the absence of that I would like
>the Labour, Liberal, SNP and Conservative parties to state whether they
>would be willing to have a referendum during the first session of the
>Scottish parliament (due to be 2000-2004) asking the people of Scotland
>whether the Queen should continue as head of state in Scotland. The
>results of this referendum to be effected by the Scottish or Westminster
>parliaments as is appropriate at the time.
Sawney Beane
On Thu, 07 Aug 1997 01:06:13 -0700, Adrienne N. Marshall
<Adr...@pacbell.net> stamped her foot and said:
>
>No, I don't see. If that is all they are expected to be, then why bother
>having them at all?
I refer the Honourable Lady to the answers (1-5) I gave some posts
ago.
>Poor guy,
<*GoodLord!*>
> growing up with everyone watching, no, *recording*
>his every move - in that environment there wasn't a chance in hell
>he wouldn't ultimately disgrace himself. I'm only surprised he didn't
>go stark raving mad.
Oh, it wasn't *that*. It was a combination of his distant, regal,
unmotherly Mum, the constant and insidious influence of the
Royal Palace Bureaucracy, and his own rotten nature. Andy
didn't turn out so bad, after all; I hear he gets along quite well
with his ex-.
>I rather like Craig's idea of Hamish Henderson for president - but
>imagine the man as Leader, Poet *and* King of Scotland!!!
Wouldn't be the first time.
Taking A Wee...Dram,
---Sawney Beane
Nigel J. Carron
In article <33E981...@pacbell.net>, "Adrienne N. Marshall"
<Adr...@pacbell.net> writes
>Yes, how indeed? Yet, how could he be anything *but* a national
>disappointment? Poor guy, growing up with everyone watching, no,
>*recording* his every move - in that environment there wasn't a chance
>in hell he wouldn't ultimately disgrace himself. I'm only surprised he
>didn't go stark raving mad.
From closer examination her in the UK, you don't need to be surprised -
he's as nutty as a fruitcake. Not his fault of course, with a father
from hell - what chance did the poor mannie have.
georgette
In article <870941...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>,
got...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk ("Grizell O'Twatt") wrote:
>> Some sense at last, Billy for President! He gets my vote.
>
>If we're going to have a President, we need one who can set the moral
>tone for the nation. Mr Connelly is not that person. I'm sure he is
>highly admirable in moral terms these days, but he does have a *past*.
But, according to a movie I just viewed, he is on close
terms with Queen Victoria.
Remember, we Americans KNOW that everything we see in the
media is true.
georgette
Kathleen Lott
da...@election.demon.co.uk says...
>In article <aiXfZJA9...@scot.demon.co.uk>, Craig Cockburn writes:
>>
>> With reference to the famous vote in January when 56% of Scots
>> voted to abolish the monarchy in Scotland, ..
>
>There was no such vote. This refers to the ITV programme which ended in a
>phone-in, the Scottish portion of which was 44% in favour and 56% against
>the retention of the monarchy. This does not amount to a proper poll as
>it is entirely self-selecting.
Then, perhaps the Scottish Parliment (should it come to exist) would want to
put out a referendum for the people of Scotland to vote on as to whether or
not they want to have the monarchy continue. The next step, of course,
would be to pursue the desires of the populace.
I should think that the monies spent on supporting a monarchy could benefit
educating the true Flowers of Scotland. Personally, I don't understand the
need or benefit of having kings or queens. But, then, being a Yank with
ancestors who sought to separate themselves from that rule, my opinion is
prejudice and just mine.
Kathy Lott
--
"I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final
word in reality.
That is why right, temporarily defeated is stronger than evil triumphant."
Martin Luther King, Jr.
gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
In <870945...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>, got...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk ("Grizell O'Twatt") writes:
>In article <5sc0or$e...@news.ox.ac.uk> gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes:
>
>> I suggest Sean Connery. He donates a lot of money to Scottish causes
>> you know. :-)
>
>No! No! NO!
>
>Too old and grizzly. So is Hamish Henderson.
>
>I tell you, we need someone young and virile. How old are you
>Gordon? How virile? Will your morals stand up to scrutiny?
>
Nigel J. Carron
In article <870941...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>, Grizell O'Twatt
<got...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk> writes
>If we're going to have a President, we need one who can set the moral
>tone for the nation. Mr Connelly is not that person. I'm sure he is
>highly admirable in moral terms these days, but he does have a *past*.
Who doesn't have a past (S.B)? What is this moral charter for scotland?.
Sawney Beane
On Thu, 07 Aug 97 08:09:16 GMT, got...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk ("Grizell
O'Twatt") wrote:
>
>If we're going to have a President, we need one who can set the moral
>tone for the nation.
Oooooh, "MoooOOOoooraaal TooooOOOoooone," is it?
>Mr Connelly is not that person. I'm sure he is highly admirable
>in moral terms these days, but he does have a *past*.
You're the museum worker; you should know.
>We need a young, virile type of person to lead us into the new
>Millennium and show that Scotland has left its rather dismal past
>well and truly behind it. I nominate Daniela Nardini (she makes
>d*mn fine ice cream too).
Well, that's a fine Moral tone you're setting, you fickle rogue!
Abandoning Mrs. Stuart without a proper vote even being taken.
Besides, this is a *Monarchy*, not a Democracy: you don't get to
"nominate" anybody. If you want to live in a Democracy, you'd best
move to Holland...
Calling The Kettle Black,
---Sawney Beane
Grizell O'Twatt
>
> Some people like old and grizzly. How about you, O'Twatt?
Yes, I am, like, old and, like, a bit grizzled (see I can talk like,
like, a young 'un, like).
I don't think that people of my generation, or older, should
be representing Scotland in the New Millennium, that's all.
Not when there is such an admirable young chap leading the
Conservative Party (although I have heard rumours about
slight moral turpentine between Mr Hague and his ffion -
something about pre-marital sharing of a hotel room...
tut, tut, tut). Anyway he's Welsh, well he will be, by marriage,
soon.
So we need a good Scots lass (or quine), capable of being
adored by the masses and of high moral standing, at least
in pubic.
Who else but Daniela Nardini?
(That's three votes now, beating Big Tam at this stage in the
election).
Perhaps I should add, for the benefit of our cousins in the
American Colonies, that Ms Nardini is currently the star of
the cult drama series *This Life*. Last time I saw it, she
claimed to be so much out of practice on the s*x front that
she thought her h*m*n was growing back. As far as I know she
has not managed a b*nk since, and was lately reported to have
disappeared to her room with a bottle of malt. That's just
the character she plays, of course. In real life she is one
of the Largs Nardinis.
--
Grizell O'Twatt, Struggling for a Moral Scotland
Visit the O'fficial O'Twatt Web Page at www2.scran.ac.uk/staff/ianm
*Mine's a large Nardini* - Bond, James Bond
Nigel J. Carron
In article <870965...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>, "Ian O. Morrison"
<I...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk> writes
>Oh all right, someone called me moralistic once, a long time
>before you were born I suspect.
>
>Hang on a minute, Nige! You're young aren't you? Fancy a wee job
>as President of Scots?
>
>Hail Nige, President of Scots!
Careful you'll give Sawney bone a heart attack, no I know my limitations
and anyway couldn't afford the drop in income!
Young is a relative term (!) and if it was prior to April 1959 that you
were slandered ????
Sawney Beane
On Thu, 07 Aug 1997 11:08:59 -0700, Adrienne N. Marshall
<Adr...@pacbell.net> insisted, as though it really mattered:
>
>Fine, here they are:
>> 1.) It is good for business.
>Scotland doesn't need a monarch to make people visit in droves.
Och, ye ca' niffer hae enough _business_!
>Anyway, wouldn't that extra revenue need to be spent outfitting the
>Scottish Monarch with enough ostentation to draw the crowds from QEII?
Doesna have to be... Any King worth his salt should bloody well be
willing to outfit himself! There, another argument in favour of
running it as an elected office.
>> 2.) It is good for the State.
>As you said, a vice president fills this role in America. Couldn't
>Scotland have a vice president? It would cost a lot less.
Hmmm, Sasha and I have been discussing the merits of a leader with
Multiple Personality Disorder. Wouldn't *need* a separate Vice
President, then...
>> 3.) It is good for morale.
>You (a socialist?) believe that aristocracy is "good" for morale?
As has been pointed out before, "King of Scots" is subtly different
from "King of Scotland" (although that distinction has been
unfortunately blurred by various monarchs since David I). It would be
good for morale in the sense of once again having a King we could call
our ain. This ties nicely into:
>> 4.) It would show up the bloody sassenachs once and for all.
>Once there is Scottish independence, why care about "showing up" the
>English?
There's always enough time to show up the English.
>> 5.) the leading Stuart in line for the throne
>Since he did not reply, I will again ask the honorable gentleman my
>question:
>If you are going to take the trouble (and when you really think about
>it, it is nothing but trouble) to have a monarch, why must their
>bloodlines be blue? Why not a good red-blooded king or queen?
Could do, eventually (especially under an elected monarchy). But the
*first* one ought to pick up where the last one (BPC) left off.
<misplaced sympathy for HRHPToW snipped>
>Chew on that, Sawney!
Ahhh, just how I like it: crunchy on the outside, chewy on the inside.
>(and when you get a chance, please re-read Burns' "Is There For Honest
>Poverty" also known as "A Man's a Man for A' That)
I know it well. And as soon as this bit of unfinished business is
taken care of, I'll be happy to elect whatsoever brewer, ice-cream
maker, or gospel-singer you like to the Crown.
Pompously Circumstantial,
---Sawney Beane
{"It'd be a poor world in which we all agreed,"}
{ I seem to recall some lass saying recently... }
Kathleen Lott
In article <33EA12...@exis.net>, rus...@exis.net says...
>
>Lesley Robertson wrote:
>>
>Queen Victoria, Billy, and MacBeth all left on the cutting room floor<
>
>Let's see, so far, as the vote now stands, it's 3 for Billy, 1 vote
for
>Daniela, and 1 (or is it 2?) Ermmm... I mean 2 votes for Hamish
>Henderson! Nuts! I'm losing count already... Oh, and what about the
>BEANE count? Sawney? Are you and the family *running* to fight for
all
>these weighty issues?
>
>Oh, and what about Gordon Riddle? Did he decide to accept the
>challenge? HEY! And what about the Vice President???
>
>Rusty
>
>
Did you forget the rising tide for Aretha? I think she had at least 2
votes.
Sawney Beane
On 8 Aug 1997 05:32:28 GMT, kml...@aa.net (Kathleen Lott) wrote:
>--
>triumphant." Martin Luther King, Jr.
"Truth, crushed to earth, shall rise again."
---Johnny Cochran (1996)
Changing Times Like Underwear,
---Sawney Beane
Charles Mcgregor
In message <jeeFpHAg...@mwade.demon.co.uk>
Michael Wade <cel...@mwade.demon.co.uk> writes:
> In article <5s9bl5$c...@news.ox.ac.uk>, gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
> writes
> >
> >You'll be pleased to know that the famous Irish singer, Dana, is considering
> >returning from her home in Alabama to stand for Irish President. She is
> >supposedly being encouraged by the Catholic Church to do so!
> >
> >So said The Guardian yesterday.
> >
> How about Lulu then? Or Lena Zavaroni?
Surely Annie Lennox or Sheena Easton would have a better chance?
Adrienne N. Marshall
Sawney wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Aug 1997 11:08:59 -0700, Adrienne N. Marshall
> <Adr...@pacbell.net> insisted, as though it really mattered:
But if it doesna matter to ye... *why* d'ye keep flappin' yer gums???
Hmmmmm?
> >Anyway, wouldn't that extra revenue need to be spent outfitting the
> >Scottish Monarch with enough ostentation to draw the crowds from > QEII?
>
> Doesna have to be... Any King worth his salt should bloody well be
> willing to outfit himself! There, another argument in favour of
> running it as an elected office.
Ah, there it is...the death blow. And you delivered it yourself too.
If the King of Scots has to pay out of pocket for his own finery - well
lad, I doubt there will ever be another!
> > Couldn't
> >Scotland have a vice president? It would cost a lot less.
>
> Hmmm, Sasha and I have been discussing the merits of a leader with
> Multiple Personality Disorder. Wouldn't *need* a separate Vice
> President, then...
I see. But if he or she is off cutting a ribbon somewhere, you'd still
need a replica to sit in at funerals, wouldn't you?
I've a friend who's a mannequin maker, let me know if you need his
services - I could probably get you a fair discount.
> Why not a good red-blooded king or queen?
>
> Could do, eventually (especially under an elected monarchy). But the
> *first* one ought to pick up where the last one (BPC) left off.
You mean hanging out with the MacDonald's and dressing up in womens
clothing? &;^)
> I'll be happy to elect whatsoever brewer, ice-cream
> maker, or gospel-singer you like to the Crown.
Brewer: Caledonian or Greenmantle
Ice Cream: Mancini's (Ayr) or Luca's (Musselburgh?)
Gospel singer: the one and only Aretha Franklin
> Pompously Circumstantial,
> ---Sawney Beane
Don't you mean circumspect?
Adrienne
Kathleen Lott
In article <5scfhg$fjn$2...@decius.ultra.net>, gi...@ultranet.com says...
>
>In article <870867...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>,
>>ago. He conspicuously betrayed our trust then, and I see no reason
>>why it should be any different next time. Anyway he is a ultra-
>>monarchist, so would not accept a role such as President.
>>
>>If we must have a singer, could it not be a decent one? Aretha
>>Franklin, for example.
>>
>
> I SECOND THIS EMOTION!!!!!!!!!!!
> georgette
At least you would have R-E-S-P-E-C-T!
--
"I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the
final word in reality.
Kathleen Lott
>> Perhaps I should add, for the benefit of our cousins in the
>> American Colonies,
>
Colonies?!?! I suppose we must be viewed as colonies since OUR legislature
is only 200 years old. But you have to admit, when it comes to picking
Presidents - we have elected some dandies (or is that dandys).
Kathy Lott
Kathleen Lott
In article <33f5c65b...@news.pacbell.net>, Hav...@Nice.Snack
says...
>
>On 6 Aug 1997 13:47:37 GMT, gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote:
>>
>>Scotland already has nuclear capabilit. Whom should we target first?
>>In the spirit of Celtic solidarity why not Dana in Alabama?
>
>
>Investing In Shovels,
> ---Sawney Beane
Would they have the bomb or the waste?
Kathleen Lott
In article <19970807100...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
sasha...@aol.com says...
>
>In article <33f2b2c7...@news.pacbell.net>, Hav...@Nice.Snack
(Sawney
>Beane) writes:
>
>>As for the idea of a schizophrenic president: it could greatly save
on
>>the cost of salaries for cabinet-ministers...
>
>Actually, I think we're talking Multiple Personality Disorders here,
>schizophrenics aren't usually that multifaceted. It could prove to be
a
>real advantage, though. Each part of the MPD has a specific function,
>frequently diametrically opposed to a different part. Most Politicos
act
>that way anyway, but just try to spin doctor it! This would allow the
>"ruler" to simply say that "Oh, that was just (fill in the Blank).
I'M
>NOT RESPONSIBLE!
>
>Partially yours aye,
>SashaLynne
Well, hey, Bill C. will be out of a job in January of 2001. This
sounds like the perfect job description for him. Want him? For the
right price, we may let you have him sooner!
Kathy Lott
Stephen Hamilton
--
Remove the "nospam" from my address to reply.
Rusty Celt <rus...@exis.net> wrote in article
<33EA16...@exis.net>...
> Grizell O'Twatt wrote:
> >
> > In article <5scfrm$fjn$5...@decius.ultra.net> gi...@ultranet.com
"georgette" writes:
> >
> >
> > So we need a good Scots lass (or quine), capable of being
> > adored by the masses and of high moral standing, at least
> > in pubic.
> >
And in case you ever get a volcano you could always toss her in
(Hawaiian style). Sort of a good lei, so to speak.
> > Perhaps I should add, for the benefit of our cousins in the
> > American Colonies,
(trim,trim)
Ahem!. I think Mr. Griz is referring here to the ARAMCO compounds in
Saudi Arabia, as well as strategically located outposts in the Los
Angeles basin and Southern Florida; all of whom greatly appreciate
the nod.
>
> > *Mine's a large Nardini* - Bond, James Bond
>
> Perhaps, but now do you want her shaken or stirred?
>
> Rusty
>
One look at O'Twatt and she'd be both. :-|)
Stephen
Sawney Beane
On Fri, 08 Aug 1997 08:05:19 -0700, Adrienne N. Marshall
<Adr...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>A clever ploy, that.
Aye. Subliminal, like.
>But if it doesna matter to ye... *why* d'ye keep flappin' yer gums???
>Hmmmmm?
Oh, I don't know... Nothing better to do than talk to you, I suppose.
>Ah, there it is...the death blow. And you delivered it yourself too.
>If the King of Scots has to pay out of pocket for his own finery -
>well lad, I doubt there will ever be another!
Uh, (hmm) yes, er, I suppose that *is* a problem... *Got it!*
Charitable contributions (non-tax-deductible, of course) - or -
Advertising! That's it, sponsorship for the Crown. Maybe like:
"I can't even finish legislation without my Irn-Bru" billboards and
the like.
>I see. But if he or she is off cutting a ribbon somewhere, you'd still
>need a replica to sit in at funerals, wouldn't you?
>I've a friend who's a mannequin maker, let me know if you need his
>services - I could probably get you a fair discount.
Excellent Idea! (Do you think that this offers a possible explanation
for Al Gore?)
>You mean hanging out with the MacDonald's and dressing
>up in women's clothing? &;^)
Joke if ye must, but there was more than Continental Breakfast being
served up by Flora in that cave, if you catch my drift. She was a
*groupie* and he was a past-master at manoeuvering for sympathy. I
think cross-dressing could help make the new King more readily
accepted in, say, Glasgow... */;~}
No beefs w/ various nominees (*AFTER* the Stuart, of course).
Going Back For Seconds,
---Sawney Beane
Sawney Beane
On 7 Aug 1997 10:39:56 GMT, sasha...@aol.com (SashaLynne) wrote:
> <snip>
>Besides with his experience in a variety of films, he probably knows more
>about Scottish History than the average Scot and certainly has had lots of
>experience in dealing with the Brits!
Well, of course, there *was* "Highlander"... <embarrassed silence>
But, on the other hand, if he used his laser-watch to steal the
Articles of Union, and then jetpacked away to safety, that would be
another matter entirely.
Wondering About "Zardoz",
---Sawney Beane
Kathleen Lott
Hav...@Nice.Snack says...
>
>Uh, (hmm) yes, er, I suppose that *is* a problem... *Got it!*
>Charitable contributions (non-tax-deductible, of course) - or -
>Advertising! That's it, sponsorship for the Crown. Maybe like:
>"I can't even finish legislation without my Irn-Bru" billboards and
>the like.
>
> ---Sawney Beane
That's the spirit! The good old capitalistic way! Socialism step aside,
we're after a Nike endorsment here! Oh, oh I have it!! President-elect
Connelly, now the elections over, what will you do next? I'm headed for
Disneyland!!!
Stephen Hamilton
--
Remove the "nospam" from my address to reply.
Kathleen Lott <kml...@aa.net> wrote in article
<87101799...@moon.aa.net>...
Puhleez, Kathy, the guy is costing us enough already! How much can
we afford to get them to take him?
signed,
(an anonymous poster using that rascally Stephen's address, but not
Stephen because then people might get the wrong idea about him)
Sawney Beane
On Sat, 09 Aug 1997 01:08:02 -0700, Adrienne N. Marshall
<Adr...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>Yes, your a regular Franz Mesmer...
I prefer to think of myself as Svengali... Besides, "animal magnetism"
is what you get when you feed your hamster iron-filings.
>In a word: undignified. Defeats the whole illusion of royalty.
>We're supposed to believe they're somehow *better* than
>the rest of us. Reducing the monarch to an impoverished
>cause and/or, an oversized face pushing consumer products?
>It'll never work S.B., trust me.
Oh, I dunno: "King of the Gypsies," "Prince of Thieves," etc.; they've
a certain ring to `em. Then too, HRHPT's "Prince's Trust" always
brings in millions from charitable contributors. And we've only _his_
word for where the money goes... This is the `90's, Adrienne; you've
got to think...Cheap. Exploitative. Banal. Get with the *times*,
lass...
>Al Gore *is* a very strange looking man. He has a nice, tall, solidly
>built body and broad shoulders...topped by the head of a wax dummy!!!
But, of course, he's no dummy. I rather like him, actually. True, he
*is* stiff, but very ecologically sound. He's my favourite after Jerry
Brown, in fact. Must be the Buddhist connection.
>BPC should have married one of those nice Scottish lasses that ran after
>him- no doubt today there would still be a few *direct* descendants
>around. &;^)
Yeah, well... He missed a few good opportunities, for the kingdom as
well as his own happiness. The only Stuart who wasn't fey was Jimmy
VI, and he could be a right bastard, although he had his moments...
>I dunno about that - but it would certainly be more eye catching on a
>billboard!
Hmmm, have to ask Barr's how they'd feel about that... And I'm *sure*
that Grizell wouldn't approve.
>Revolted by your insatiate appetite,
I like my food over-seasoned, my coffee over-rich, and my candles
alight at both ends, thankyouverymuch. C'mon, Adrienne; have the
mint: it is just a waaafer *thin* mint, mademoiselle...
Moderating Moderation,
---Sawney Beane
Adrienne N. Marshall
Sawney Beane mused:
> I prefer to think of myself as Svengali... Besides, "animal magnetism"
> is what you get when you feed your hamster iron-filings.
You don't strike me as evil enough to be Svengali S.B. - even if you are
so cruel as to make refrigerator magnets out of small defenseless
rodents.
> Oh, I dunno: "King of the Gypsies," "Prince of Thieves," etc.; they've
> a certain ring to `em.
Yes, so does "Border Lord".
Okay, if he or she is going to be a *swashbuckling* sort of monarch, I
believe I'll withdraw most of my objections- still, I'll not deign to
curtsey before anyone but Hamish Henderson.
> This is the `90's, Adrienne; you've
> got to think...Cheap. Exploitative. Banal. Get with the *times*,
> lass...
No, I reject that.
I'd rather rise above "the times", not "get" with them, if you don't
mind.
And yourself?
S.B. on Al Gore:
> But, of course, he's no dummy. I rather like him, actually. True, he
> *is* stiff, but very ecologically sound. He's my favourite after Jerry
> Brown, in fact. Must be the Buddhist connection.
I do too, actually. Despite the bizarre waxen quality, he's a good
writer and as you say, very ecologically sound. Of course, those beliefs
of his have had little effect on U.S. policies as regards environmental
issues. However, if he gets elected (?) after B.C., perhaps that would
change.
I also like Jerry Brown, he's a regular guy who's heart is definitely in
the right place. (About a year ago he expressed an interest in one of my
paintings - and though he never bought it, I try not hold that against
him!) Oakland desperately needed a resident politician like J.B. and
good things are starting to happen as a result of his efforts on their
behalf.
Now if Jerry and Ralph Nader could only join forces... the Buddist and
the Ball-Buster of Corporate Bureaucracy! Thats what I'd call a winning
combination!
> I like my food over-seasoned, my coffee over-rich, and my candles
> alight at both ends, thankyouverymuch.
Actually, so do I, (Still, I do go quite a bit lighter on the coffee,
mine is say, 9-10 molar at the extreme) although I'm always very careful
not to burn the house down.
>C'mon, Adrienne; have the
> mint: it is just a waaafer *thin* mint, mademoiselle...
Bonne bouche? Qui, monsieur!
> Moderating Moderation,
> ---Sawney Beane
Slainte mhor,
Adrienne
Kathleen Lott
In article <33ec3bf...@news.pacbell.net>, Hav...@Nice.Snack says...
>
>
>Changing Times Like Underwear,
> ---Sawney Beane
daily or time is standing still and your underwear can now stand on its own!
Kathy Lott, Colonist
Sawney Beane
On Sat, 09 Aug 1997 18:13:04 -0700, Adrienne N. Marshall
<Adr...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>Okay, if he or she is going to be a *swashbuckling* sort of monarch, I
>believe I'll withdraw most of my objections-
Well, Guid King Johnnie spent most of his time driving Grand Prix
and Formula I cars around winding tracks (for Jaguar, I believe).
In the modern age, that's about as swashbuckling as the average
Marquess gets.
> still, I'll not deign to
>curtsey before anyone but Hamish Henderson.
Perhaps an appointment as Poet Laureate of Scotland would be in order.
>I'd rather rise above "the times", not "get" with them, if you don't mind.
>And yourself?
You forget, I'm a Phaedran Eclectic.
>Of course, those beliefs of his have had little effect on U.S. policies
>as regards environmental issues.
Well, he *did* drag President Bubba to that summit with LP, GP,
various loggers, Earth First, and the Sierra Club. And he *did*
insist on representation at the Earth Summits.
>I also like Jerry Brown, he's a regular guy who's heart is definitely in
>the right place.
And his mind. Although he's painted as a nutter by the
Forces Of Evil, if it weren't for him, Silicon Valley (and all
the jobs and capital it brings to California) would have been
located in Texas, instead. It's always struck me as a dead
giveaway of the conservative mind (if that isn't an oxymoron)
that they hold his years of learning as a Jesuit and a Buddhist
*against* him. To my mind, there's little better training to prepare
a politician to wield power over other people's lives.
>(About a year ago he expressed an interest in one of my paintings -
(!) I'll bet he'd have *loved* the 'Republicans In Hades' sculpture.
>Oakland desperately needed a resident politician like J.B. and good
>things are starting to happen as a result of his efforts on their behalf.
Yes. Hole up there in his enclave of artists and philosophers, he's
been superb at getting the word out. A true patriot. Hopefully,
he'll mount another ultra-clean-and-moral campaign for the Presidency,
even though he'll never be elected in this political system.
>Now if Jerry and Ralph Nader could only join forces... the Buddhist and
>the Ball-Buster of Corporate Bureaucracy! That's what I'd call a winning
>combination!
I saw them on the same interview show, once. They were clearly
soul-brothers. Nader's dour cynicism nicely offset Brown's idealistic
optimism (or was it the other way around). They were debating with
a corporate mouthpiece and some Republican F.O.E. from congress.
No contest, really.
It'll be interesting to see what the interaction between PM's Salmond
and Blair is going to be like. I rather like Tony, perhaps because he
represents the relief of 18 years (that's 6+6+6, for those who read
significance into that sort of thing) of Tory Pain. I'd very much
like to see a "special relationship" formed between an Independent
Scotland and America. Perhaps because of the very large number of
Scots-Americans (* for Purists), it could be an "Extra-Special
Relationship."
Toasting Freedom,
---Sawney Beane
(*) For all you purists out there who object to "n-Americans" (where
"n" is any country of their ancestors), here's a word. Living here,
one discovers that it is *perfectly natural* for someone to describe
themselves as a "Mexican-American," "Asian-American," or
"Scots-American." It is done so that others know of the speaker's
cultural background, and that the speaker is aware of their culture.
Personally, I feel that it has merits in opening conversations with
new acquaintances. When someone says to me, "I am an
Italian-American," I *instantly* know that I'm on firm ground with the
topics of Roman history, Italian cooking, etc.; and that such topics
as the Mafia might be better left undiscussed. So get over
yourselves, anti-hyphen forces: America is an *ideal*, and not the
native land of many people's births.
Kathleen Lott
Kathy snipped down to here because she said:
>> Well, hey, Bill C. will be out of a job in January of 2001. This
>> sounds like the perfect job description for him. Want him? For
>the
>> right price, we may let you have him sooner!
>>
>Puhleez, Kathy, the guy is costing us enough already! How much can
>we afford to get them to take him?
>
trying to pass off (oops), I mean share our resident waffle. Well, I've
been doing some thinking and I think I may have found something to help my
'cousins' across the water (actually, the Fergusons just might not have a
drop of Scottish blood) - so, OK, something to help strangers clear across
the other side of the world. Grizell wants someone young, with a pretty and
moral wife, and a fairly moral past. Swaney wants someone who can pay his
own way or have experience in charitable fund raising. Now, Scotland is a
high tech land, needing the King of High Tech. Yes, folks, I'm offering the
Northwest's one and only Big Bill, the MS Man. Now, he's not perfect, shoot
I doubt he's even a Scot and his business morals MAY be a bit shady (the
Justice Department checks them out now and then and so far they have passed)
but his wife is pretty (even if he isn't) and he has an heir. Now if his
lacking Scot heritage is a problem, well there's adoption, Presidency, or
Vice-Presidency. He does have a few extra dollars to pay for his wardrobe
(and Melissa's too). Of course, he may have a little trouble finishing the
Residence - but hey this is the best I can do.
georgette
In article <87119725...@moon.aa.net>,
kml...@aa.net (Kathleen Lott) wrote:
> Now, Scotland is a
>high tech land, needing the King of High Tech. Yes, folks, I'm offering the
>Northwest's one and only Big Bill, the MS Man. Now, he's not perfect, shoot
>I doubt he's even a Scot and his business morals MAY be a bit shady (the
>Justice Department checks them out now and then and so far they have passed)
>but his wife is pretty (even if he isn't) and he has an heir.
oh, please, yes! take him, take him, he's yours! just
keep him away from my computer. i want software that
works first time, everytime.
georgette
Sawney Beane
On 10 Aug 1997 07:14:16 GMT, kml...@aa.net (Kathleen Lott) wrote:
<everything *SNIPPED*>
My God! This last is so atrocious I cannot even bring myself to post
a detailed response. Dear, why don't you *check* on:
A.) The acquisition of CP/M for the DOS deal w/ IBM.
B.) Cleanliness and hygiene.
C.) Every business-dealing he's *EVER* done.
D.) The LIMS standard.
E.) The Quality of MS code.
F.) The wages of MS programmers.
G.) The Win `95 commo hunt-&-kill debacle.
H.) The utter lack of charity.
before you go suggesting Satan for King of Scots.
And now, a few wee jokes:
Q: Why is Windows unlike a computer-virus?
A(1): Because a virus doesn't necessarily *always* crash your system.
A(2): Because a virus doesn't take up *all* the space on your disk.
Q: Why did Bill Gates marry his Marketing Manager?
A: So he could talk business in bed.
Microsoft, Where Quality Is Job 1.1,
---Sawney Beane
georgette
In article <33ee43cc...@news.pacbell.net>,
Hav...@Nice.Snack (Sawney Beane) wrote:
Thinking about this further, he already rules the world.
Why would he bother with a spit of land like Scotland?
georgette - anti-BG forever!
Grizell O'Twatt
In article <eacsVHAT...@cabra.demon.co.uk>
n...@cabra.demon.co.uk "Nigel J. Carron" writes:
> Billy Connolly for Prez!
> Billy Connolly for Prez!
> Billy Connolly for Prez!
> Billy Connolly for Prez!
> Billy Connolly for Prez!
> Billy Connolly for Prez!
> Billy Connolly for Prez!
> Billy Connolly for Prez!
> Billy Connolly for Prez!
>
> Billy in the lead!
Following investigation of allegations of vote rigging in this
election, the SCS Board of Inquiry has ruled that the above
votes are invalid, the said Mr Connolly (Connelly?) is
declared Out of Order, and that all extant votes for the
said candidate be transferred to the excellent Ms Nardini
(and her even more excellent ice-cream), in lieu of any
better candidates being proposed.
Ms Nardini's wardrobe will prove inexpensive, as everything
she wears appears to be pretty skimpy (apart from her ear
rings).
A late bid for the title of King of Scots has been received
from a place called Maine, which I am reliably informed is
one of our American colonies. The claim is rather convoluted,
but suggests that the family name McGregor is somehow
indicative of being a rightful claimant to the throne. This
bid is receiving the attention it deserves.
--
Grizell O'Twatt, Struggling for a Moral Scotland
Visit the O'fficial O'Twatt Web Page at www2.scran.ac.uk/staff/ianm
*Blessed are the cheesemakers* - Jesus of Nazareth (possibly)
Adrienne N. Marshall
S.B. wrote,
> Well, Guid King Johnnie spent most of his time driving Grand Prix
> and Formula I cars around winding tracks (for Jaguar, I believe).
> In the modern age, that's about as swashbuckling as the average
> Marquess gets.
Not good enough IMO, I'd like to see him racing his Jag across the
border and making off with English booty. Pronto. (I'm joking!?)
> Perhaps an appointment as Poet Laureate of Scotland would be in order.
Perhaps nothing, the man has already proved himself a poetical genius!
Where's that laurel? I'll make his wreath myself...
> You forget, I'm a Phaedran Eclectic.
I forget nothing, and whoever you are, I like you better than
practically all my other virtual friends - even though I can't Email
you! That's high praise indeed, S.B.- I hope you'll take it.
> Well, he *did* drag President Bubba to that summit with LP, GP,
> various loggers, Earth First, and the Sierra Club. And he *did*
> insist on representation at the Earth Summits.
True, but I'd still like to see him flex his muscles in order to back up
his supposedly strong environmental beliefs. And I've been waiting such
a long time now...
S.B. on Jerry Brown:
> Although he's painted as a nutter by the
> Forces Of Evil, if it weren't for him, Silicon Valley (and all
> the jobs and capital it brings to California) would have been
> located in Texas, instead.
Very true.
> It's always struck me as a dead
> giveaway of the conservative mind (if that isn't an oxymoron)
> that they hold his years of learning as a Jesuit and a Buddhist
> *against* him. To my mind, there's little better training to prepare
> a politician to wield power over other people's lives.
I agree completely. And he's the only politician in America who actually
talks about the *real needs* of people. No one else dares touch upon
such a volatile subject.
IMO Jerry Brown is the bravest politician in America- and *that's* why
he's been labeled as a nutter. No one else has the *guts* or the
*integrity* to speak the truth the way he is willing to - and he does it
on a daily basis! And yet, though he recognizes all the problems, he
still needs a dogmatic curmugeon like Ralph Nader to worm through all
the bureaucratic red tape in order to reach his goals.
Just my opinion.
> (!) I'll bet he'd have *loved* the 'Republicans In Hades' sculpture.
Nah, the humorous political stuff is just for friends - he liked my
electric dandelions- a painting which I could never (and so, will not)
begin to explain in words.
> Yes. Hole up there in his enclave of artists and philosophers, he's
> been superb at getting the word out.
Ah, but I'm just *one* of so many.
> A true patriot. Hopefully,
> he'll mount another ultra-clean-and-moral campaign for the Presidency,
> even though he'll never be elected in this political system.
You are in all probability right - but I'll never label mine a wasted
vote.
> I saw them on the same interview show, once. They were clearly
> soul-brothers. Nader's dour cynicism nicely offset Brown's idealistic
> optimism (or was it the other way around). They were debating with
> a corporate mouthpiece and some Republican F.O.E. from congress.
> No contest, really.
I think I may have seen the same show. If I remember correctly, both the
corporate mouthpiece and the Republican's eyes were kind of *bulging* by
end of the show - J.B./ R.N.'s complete honesty was causing an *internal
writhing* that the fools were attempting to suppress.
> It'll be interesting to see what the interaction between PM's Salmond
> and Blair is going to be like.
Yes, I watch with very keen interest - still, you'll never hear me
mouthing off on s.c.s. - I ken it's no' my business to speak politically
lad, only culturally.
> Toasting Freedom,
> ---Sawney Beane
Cheers,
Adrienne (the insomniac creatrix)
Grizell O'Twatt
In article <x9y2dGA3...@cabra.demon.co.uk.nospam>
n...@cabra.demon.co.uk "Nigel J. Carron" writes:
> In article <871298...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>, Grizell O'Twatt
> <got...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk> writes
> >Ms Nardini's wardrobe will prove inexpensive, as everything
> >she wears appears to be pretty skimpy (apart from her ear
> >rings).
>
> So remind me what this Ms Nardini appears in & I'll try to remember how
> to turn the TV on! Of course looks are all important in picking a
> President - Just ask Billy Clinton.
The reason I nominated Ms Nardini was because she suddenly started
appearing in all the publications I regularly read, for example
on page 3 of the *Observer* last week, and almost daily in the
*Guardian* and weekly for some time in *Scotland on Sunday*
(perhaps as part of Andrew Neil's dumbing down operation). I
think all this media coverage was due to the fact that the series
in which she has made her name, *This Life*, came to an end last
Thursday, and her agent is seeking some work for her. I don't
think she is particularly beautiful, at least not in a conventional
sense, but she is young, bright, self-confident and makes d*mn fine
ice cream. All the qualifications we need for our President.
Mr Clinton is not young and does not, as far as I know, make ice
cream. Is this Jerry Brown that our Colonial cousins keep referring
to the same Jerry as in Ben and Jerry's ice cream? If so, he would
make a d*mn fine president, right enough, though I do belive he is
quite old as well.
>
> If the Americans can have a Billy president, why can't we?
The name sounds a bit goat-like for my liking. And I don't think
a Bill Clinton-alike necessarily sets the right moral tone for
this emerging nation.
>
> PS it is Billy Connolly, But as I will never win a spelling award I'll
> be polite.
Well, whoever first nominated him used the wrong spelling, which I
duly copied. Just goes to show you should never trust anything you
read on Usenet.
Ian O. Morrison
In article <87091925...@moon.aa.net> kml...@aa.net "Kathleen Lott" writes:
<re results of TV phone-in poll on retention of the monarchy>
> Then, perhaps the Scottish Parliment (should it come to exist) would want to
> put out a referendum for the people of Scotland to vote on as to whether or
> not they want to have the monarchy continue. The next step, of course,
> would be to pursue the desires of the populace.
I think if you did a proper scientific study of the *desires of the
populace* of Scotland regarding the monarchy you would find that
there was a substantial reservoir of support for it, otherwise why
do none of the major political parties in the country adopt this
as a policy? Even the SNP jump on their republican MP whenever she
looks like spouting this point of view. Why do they bother, unless
they are afraid she will lose them votes? After all, the SNP do need
every vote they can muster to maintain any pretence of speaking
on behalf of the Scottish people. They cannot afford to alienate
anyone, least of all in their conservative heartlands of the North
East, where many peoples' livelihoods are dependent on royal-related
tourism.
>
> I should think that the monies spent on supporting a monarchy could benefit
> educating the true Flowers of Scotland. Personally, I don't understand the
> need or benefit of having kings or queens.
I couldn't agree more. But just because I disagree with Craig's claim
that the aforesaid TV phone-in poll was a *vote* by the *people of
Scotland* against the monarchy does not mean that I am a monarchist.
It just means that I think that it is naive to under-estimate the
extent of support for a monarchy in this country, and we really need
a much more scientific study to establish what this actually is than
a self-selected sample phoning in during a TV debate.
> But, then, being a Yank with
> ancestors who sought to separate themselves from that rule, my opinion is
> prejudice and just mine.
I, too, have ancestors that fought, and lost their livelihoods as a
result, for a socialist republic in this country. Unfortunately,
they failed, which is why we are stuck with this anachronism.
I was in Coldstream at the weekend, and the war memorial there,
apart from an appallingly long list of names for such a wee place,
has the inscription *They died for Liberty, King and Country*.
What utter tosh! That's the sort of role that royalty has so often
performed in this country - a means of persuading young men (and
now women as well) to go off and kill other young men and women
in order that the goals of the monarch and their pals can be
pursued.
--
Ian O. Morrison
Nigel J. Carron
In article <871313...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>, Grizell O'Twatt
<got...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk> writes
>Mr Clinton is not young and does not, as far as I know, make ice
>cream. Is this Jerry Brown that our Colonial cousins keep referring
>to the same Jerry as in Ben and Jerry's ice cream? If so, he would
>make a d*mn fine president, right enough, though I do belive he is
>quite old as well.
>
>>
>> If the Americans can have a Billy president, why can't we?
>
>The name sounds a bit goat-like for my liking. And I don't think
>a Bill Clinton-alike necessarily sets the right moral tone for
>this emerging nation.
>
>>
>> PS it is Billy Connolly, But as I will never win a spelling award I'll
>> be polite.
>
>Well, whoever first nominated him used the wrong spelling, which I
>duly copied. Just goes to show you should never trust anything you
>read on Usenet.
Well If Ice cream is to be the decideing factor then it has to be a
Mackie - Mackies is the best ice cream sold Scotland wide. So back to
Mrs Mack(ie)
Nigel J. Carron
Statements do not represent C. G. Systems Policy.
Anonymous
In article <33f2b2c7...@news.pacbell.net>, Hav...@Nice.Snack (Sawney
Beane) wrote:
| On Wed, 06 Aug 97 11:17:11 GMT, gi...@ultranet.com (georgette) wrote:
|
| >In article <5s9l0d$f...@news.ox.ac.uk>, gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote:
| >
| >>Or we could elect a President with a multiple personality like
| >>Michael Paterson/Sawney Beane/Hagbard Sealion. Or whoever any of them are.
|
|
| Imprimus: I am not, nor have I ever be(a)n(e), "Michael Paterson"
| (check your *headers*, people...).
Yet strangely, just as he disappeared from the net, you took over. You also
had some knowledge of his home town of Vancouver (check Deja News, people..)
You wouldn't know anything about trucks or mobile phones by any chance?
Nigel J. Carron
In article <871298...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>, Grizell O'Twatt
<got...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk> writes
>Ms Nardini's wardrobe will prove inexpensive, as everything
>she wears appears to be pretty skimpy (apart from her ear
>rings).
So remind me what this Ms Nardini appears in & I'll try to remember how
to turn the TV on! Of course looks are all important in picking a
President - Just ask Billy Clinton.
If the Americans can have a Billy president, why can't we?
PS it is Billy Connolly, But as I will never win a spelling award I'll
be polite.
Nigel J. Carron
Sawney Beane
On Mon, 11 Aug 1997 01:34:43 -0700, Adrienne N. Marshall
<Adr...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>Not good enough IMO, I'd like to see him racing his Jag across the
>border and making off with English booty. Pronto. (I'm joking!?)
So you *thought*: but the fact is that the Third Marquess Stuart (who
was a fascinating eccentric into religion, astrology, and architecture
*very much* along the lines of Mrs. Winchester) financed _his_ Mystery
Mansion (Mt. Stuart, on Bute) with money he made by investing in the
Cardiff docks *before* they were the Cardiff docks. Thus today, the
majority of income earned by those docks flows *directly* to Scotland;
which is a bit more of a refined way to commit piracy, you must admit.
>Perhaps nothing, the man has already proved himself a poetical genius!
>Where's that laurel? I'll make his wreath myself...
Ah, but it takes a *King* to grant that national honour... catch my
drift?
>That's high praise indeed, S.B.- I hope you'll take it.
I am honoured and delighted. I shall save that post with the others.
I thank you, for your kind words and for respecting my anonymity.
>True, but I'd still like to see him flex his muscles in order to back up
>his supposedly strong environmental beliefs. And I've been waiting such
>a long time now...
Yeah. But so has he, lass. Hoping and praying every minute that
Bubba doesn't shoot himself in the political foot. Re the flexing of
muscles: did you see that bit where (at the aforementioned
logging-summit in Washington State) the Secret Service Bronco became
mired in the mud, spinning its wheels, and Bill and Al (who were
dressed in denim jeans and plaid shirts) jumped out of *their* vehicle
and shouldered the truckfull of embarrassed Agents out of the muck?
God, I loved that! You'd nae see a Republican getting dirty exerting
himself to help out like that. And you could *tell* that it was
perfectly natural, not being played for a photo-op. That's why I like
`em both so much: at heart, they're just regular folks.
>I ken it's no' my business to speak politically lad, only culturally.
Hardly the case at all! Your tag-team effort with Doug over Socialism
was brilliant! You've just as much right as any to speak your mind.
Those blathering Gibraltites have been going on for *months* over
whether the Rock is owned by Spain or England, and nobody seems
to mind. I'm pretty sure that such worthies as CC, chic, and St.
Grizell would concur that you can tell an awful *lot* about a people's
culture by the content and style of their debates. And Scotland is
entering into a *critical* period just now. For the first time in
decades, people are discussing issues of independence and sovereignty
with a real hope of seeing change come out of it. Scotland's not
about toeing the party line and conforming. Speak yer piece! And for
any who say otherwise, there's this: "They say? Quhat say they? Let
them say!"
Having It My Way,
---Sawney Beane
P.S.: You did a pretty good job with Unky Funky or whateverthehell his
name is. You just go on and post your heart and mind, you'll not go
wrong.
Craig Cockburn
Ann an sgriobhainn <871292...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>, sgriobh "Ian O.
Morrison" <I...@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk>
>In article <87091925...@moon.aa.net> kml...@aa.net "Kathleen Lott" writes:
>
><re results of TV phone-in poll on retention of the monarchy>
>
>> Then, perhaps the Scottish Parliment (should it come to exist) would want to
>> put out a referendum for the people of Scotland to vote on as to whether or
>> not they want to have the monarchy continue. The next step, of course,
>> would be to pursue the desires of the populace.
>
>I think if you did a proper scientific study of the *desires of the
>populace* of Scotland regarding the monarchy you would find that
>there was a substantial reservoir of support for it, otherwise why
>do none of the major political parties in the country adopt this
>as a policy? Even the SNP jump on their republican MP whenever she
>looks like spouting this point of view. Why do they bother, unless
>they are afraid she will lose them votes? After all, the SNP do need
>every vote they can muster to maintain any pretence of speaking
>on behalf of the Scottish people. They cannot afford to alienate
>anyone, least of all in their conservative heartlands of the North
>East, where many peoples' livelihoods are dependent on royal-related
>tourism.
>
simply put the matter to a referendum in the first session of an
independent Scotland to allow the Scots to choose.
--
Craig Cockburn ("coburn"), Du\n E/ideann, Alba. (Edinburgh, Scotland)
http://www.scot.demon.co.uk/ E-mail: cr...@scot.demon.co.uk
Sgri\obh thugam 'sa Gha\idhlig ma 'se do thoil e.
David Boothroyd
In article <87091925...@moon.aa.net>, Kathleen Lott writes:
> da...@election.demon.co.uk says...
> >In article <aiXfZJA9...@scot.demon.co.uk>, Craig Cockburn writes:
> >>
> >> With reference to the famous vote in January when 56% of Scots
> >> voted to abolish the monarchy in Scotland, ..
> >
> >There was no such vote. This refers to the ITV programme which ended in a
> >phone-in, the Scottish portion of which was 44% in favour and 56% against
> >the retention of the monarchy. This does not amount to a proper poll as
> >it is entirely self-selecting.
>
> Then, perhaps the Scottish Parliment (should it come to exist) would want to
> put out a referendum for the people of Scotland to vote on as to whether or
> not they want to have the monarchy continue. The next step, of course,
> would be to pursue the desires of the populace.
The Scottish Parliament will have the power to do neither. The UK constitution
is a matter reserved for consideration at Westminster.
--
\/ David Boothroyd, psephologist, Libertarian socialist.De minimis non curat DB
British Elections and Politics at http://www.qmw.ac.uk/~laws/election/home.html
The House of Commons now: Lab 416, C 163, L Dem 46, UU 10, SNP 6, PC 4, SDLP 3,
SF 2, UDUP 2, Ind 1, UKUP 1, Spkrs 4 + 1 seat vacant. Government majority = 178
Adrienne N. Marshall
S.B. wrote:
> So you *thought*: but the fact is that the Third Marquess Stuart (who
> was a fascinating eccentric into religion, astrology, and architecture
> *very much* along the lines of Mrs. Winchester) financed _his_ Mystery
> Mansion (Mt. Stuart, on Bute) with money he made by investing in the
> Cardiff docks *before* they were the Cardiff docks. Thus today, the
> majority of income earned by those docks flows *directly* to Scotland;
> which is a bit more of a refined way to commit piracy, you must admit.
Thats very interesting, but personally speaking, I have nothing against
the Welsh. (Indeed, I feel a familial obligation to state this plainly
because one of my favorite brothers-in-law is an expat Welshman)
> >Where's that laurel? I'll make his wreath myself...
>
> Ah, but it takes a *King* to grant that national honour... catch my
> drift?
So in your opinion, no *red-blooded* person should bestow such an honor?
Just because a monarch wears a crown- that immediately makes them a
better judge of art and culture?
I think not.
The immortal Tom Paine on Monarchy:
"It is by distortedly exalting some men, that others are distortedly
debased, till the whole is out of nature. A vast mass of mankind are
degradedly thrown into the background of the human picture, to bring
forward with greater glare, the puppet show of State and Aristocracy.
In the commencement of a Revolution, those men are rather the followers
of the *camp* than the *standard* of Liberty, and have yet to be
instructed how to reverence it." - "The Rights of Man"
This really sums up how I feel about the whole idea of aristocracy. Such
bowing and scraping - to honor a legacy of tyranny and greed? Never!
> Re the flexing of
> muscles: did you see that bit where (at the aforementioned
> logging-summit in Washington State) the Secret Service Bronco became
> mired in the mud, spinning its wheels, and Bill and Al (who were
> dressed in denim jeans and plaid shirts) jumped out of *their* vehicle
> and shouldered the truckfull of embarrassed Agents out of the muck?
> God, I loved that! You'd nae see a Republican getting dirty exerting
> himself to help out like that. And you could *tell* that it was
> perfectly natural, not being played for a photo-op. That's why I like
> `em both so much: at heart, they're just regular folks.
I loved that too! They actually *enjoyed* getting splattered! When a
friend of mine showed me the picture in the paper she said, "Adrienne,
look... Bill and Al got chunk-style!"
> >I ken it's no' my business to speak politically lad, only culturally.
>
> Hardly the case at all! Your tag-team effort with Doug over Socialism
> was brilliant!
(Thanks!) I never think twice about talking socialism, I guess because
its a realm of principles as well as politics. I've met people from all
over the world and no matter how vast our cultural differences might be,
we can still relate to each other because we share a *world view*.
> You've just as much right as any to speak your mind.
Yes. But when I read the political threads, I ask myself, why should
Scots care what my opinions are regarding their national politics? I'm
an American who lives half way around the world, and besides I'm very
opinionated about politics and once I open my mouth on the subject, I
have trouble closing it! So I'll just stick to getting up on my
socialist soapbox once in a while, oh, and posting poetry that nobody
seems to like but me! &:^)
> And Scotland is
> entering into a *critical* period just now. For the first time in
> decades, people are discussing issues of independence and sovereignty
> with a real hope of seeing change come out of it.
I'll just say this: I am strongly in favor of Scottish Independence - I
see it as an inevitablity.
>Scotland's not
> about toeing the party line and conforming.
Neither am I.
>Speak yer piece!
I do - when I feel my words are warranted.
> And for
> any who say otherwise, there's this: "They say? Quhat say they? Let
> them say!"
Wise words- ones to live by. (Thats carved on a stone at *Marischal*
College in Aberdeen, did you know that?)
> Having It My Way,
> ---Sawney Beane
Just being myself,
Adrienne
gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
In <x9y2dGA3...@cabra.demon.co.uk.nospam>, "Nigel J. Carron" <n...@cabra.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>If the Americans can have a Billy president, why can't we?
I thought you were from the north-east and not the west coast?
You're sectarianism is showing through. Why not go the whole
Conrad Bladey way and tell us you'd rather have a "billy" than a
"Tim".
Gordon
PS: only joking of course!
gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
In <33f5c65b...@news.pacbell.net>, Hav...@Nice.Snack (Sawney Beane) writes:
>On 6 Aug 1997 13:47:37 GMT, gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote:
>>
>>Scotland already has nuclear capability. Whom should we target first?
>>In the spirit of Celtic solidarity why not Dana in Alabama?
>
>What makes you think Alabama doesn't have The Bomb?
What makes you think I think that Alabama doesn't have The Bomb?
gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
In <5scfpq$fjn$4...@decius.ultra.net>, gi...@ultranet.com (georgette) writes:
>In article <5s9v9p$k...@news.ox.ac.uk>, gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote:
>>
>>
>>Scotland already has nuclear capability. Whom should we target first?
>>In the spirit of Celtic solidarity why not Dana in Alabama?
>
> where will the bomblets go?
Obviously as an integral part of the UK the armed forces are British but as
the submarine force is in Scotland I guess we could keep it.
Stephen Hamilton
--
Remove the "nospam" from my address to reply.
Sawney Beane <Hav...@Nice.Snack> wrote in article
<33ee43cc...@news.pacbell.net>...
> On 10 Aug 1997 07:14:16 GMT, kml...@aa.net (Kathleen Lott) wrote:
>
> <everything *SNIPPED*>
>
> My God! This last is so atrocious I cannot even bring myself to
post
> a detailed response. Dear, why don't you *check* on:
>
> A.) The acquisition of CP/M for the DOS deal w/ IBM.
> B.) Cleanliness and hygiene.
> C.) Every business-dealing he's *EVER* done.
> D.) The LIMS standard.
> E.) The Quality of MS code.
> F.) The wages of MS programmers.
> G.) The Win `95 commo hunt-&-kill debacle.
> H.) The utter lack of charity.
>
> before you go suggesting Satan for King of Scots.
>
>---Sawney Beane
>
>
I guess the best part of this is your presupposition that a national
leader is likely to require any sort of moral mandate to hold office.
Admirable, but archaic.
Look. Lets make it simple; I'll take the job. Only I get Saturdays
to go fishing and none of that "droit du siegnor" crap, one never
knows what one might catch. Let's celebrate by you sending me a
fifth of Talisker! Drinks on Sawney, gang!
Brushing up on Burns,
S. Robert Hamilton (how's *that* look Adrienne, and will I have to
get a new suit for the pompous circumcision or whatever they call it
over there?)
J Fisher
Stephen Hamilton (hota...@voynospam.net) wrote:
: Look. Lets make it simple; I'll take the job.
No, vote ME for King. I have all the traditional
qualifications of a King of Scots over the last some
hundreds of years:
1. I am English
Er... That's it.
--
--John
Adrienne N. Marshall
Stephen wrote:
> Look. Lets make it simple; I'll take the job. Only I get Saturdays
> to go fishing and none of that "droit du siegnor" crap, one never
> knows what one might catch. Let's celebrate by you sending me a
> fifth of Talisker! Drinks on Sawney, gang!
>
> Brushing up on Burns,
>
> S. Robert Hamilton (how's *that* look Adrienne, and will I have to
> get a new suit for the pompous circumcision or whatever they call it
> over there?)
Well Stephen,
As Scotland's new monarch, and a "King" of American birth, you might
want to sport a black pompadour and long sideburns, dark sunglasses
(even indoors) and for the suit - how about squeezing your butt into a
tight, white polyester jumpsuit with beaded fringe, a tremendous stand
up collar and gigantic flares? That'd be c-l-a-s-s-y!
Thusly attired, you might then travel around in a huge gold-leafed
trailer with the motto "Thankyouverramuch!" painted on the side! I'm
almost certain your Scottish "subjects" would *love* this.
Asthetically yours,
Adrienne
Derek Hodge
In article <33eff44e...@news.pacbell.net>, Sawney Beane
<Hav...@Nice.Snack> writes
>>What about a Bruce? The Earl of Elgin springs to mind. At least he's
>>got all his marbles ;-)
>
>See my response to Adrienne: Bruce=Stuart. Also, this Earl Elgin
>fellow, he's not like Earl Haig, is he? How many marbles *does* he
>have? Are any of them Catseyes?
He's a descendant of Robert the Bruce.
Derek Hodge der...@post.almac.co.uk
Nigel J. Carron
In article <01bca6e3$720be360$3381...@Voyageronline.Voyageronline.net>,
Stephen Hamilton <hota...@voynospam.net> writes
>S. Robert Hamilton (how's *that* look Adrienne, and will I have to
>get a new suit for the pompous circumcision or whatever they call it
>over there?)
But the again Female Circumcision does exist! But lets hope its not a
pub(L)ic ceremony...
gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
In <33EA12...@exis.net>, Rusty Celt <rus...@exis.net> writes:
>
>Oh, and what about Gordon Riddle? Did he decide to accept the
>challenge? HEY! And what about the Vice President???
Should I accept the challenge if "the people" can't even spell my name
correctly?
Charles Ellson
The army might be UK but there is an HQ, Army (Scotland); military control
is not totally centralised. As for the subs, they're only up here because
the government doesn't want any accidental mushroom clouds appearing over
southern ROTUK.
--
_______
+---------------------------------------------------+ |\\ //|
| Charles Ellson E-mail cha...@ellson.demon.co.uk | | \\ // |
+---------------------------------------------------+ | > < |
| // \\ |
Alba gu brath |//___\\|
SashaLynne
In article <33F097...@pacbell.net>, "Adrienne N. Marshall"
<Adr...@pacbell.net> writes:
>
>Well Stephen,
>As Scotland's new monarch, and a "King" of American birth,
And his first royal fiat would be to declare Adrienne the royal artist,
you know by appoint to his Majesty (?)............
On second thought, I strongly suspect Adrienne deserves better.
Since Oreo is really Ard Righ Elliot, he'll make the appointment. In
fact, he'd make a great monarch--he loves kissing babies, never met a
stranger, etc. Of course, after tomorrow, he won't be able to produce and
progeny so would have to declare his heir by tanistry!
Doggedly,
SashaLynne
gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk
In <871433...@ellson.demon.co.uk>, Charles Ellson <Cha...@ellson.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>
>As for the subs, they're only up here because
>the government doesn't want any accidental mushroom clouds appearing over
>southern ROTUK.
That'll be why there has been so much nuclear capability in southern UK then will
it?
Access to deep water and an easy passage to the North Atlantic
and open water seems another reason for them being at Faslane.
Sawney Beane
>tight, white polyester jumpsuit...
>Asthetically yours,
>Adrienne
Er, shouldn't that be "Assthetically Yours?"
Unable To Resist,
---Sawney Beane
Sawney Beane
On 12 Aug 1997 11:56:43 GMT, gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote:
>In <33f5c65b...@news.pacbell.net>, Hav...@Nice.Snack (Sawney Beane) writes:
>>On 6 Aug 1997 13:47:37 GMT, gordon....@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>Scotland already has nuclear capability. Whom should we target first?
>>>In the spirit of Celtic solidarity why not Dana in Alabama?
>>
>>What makes you think Alabama doesn't have The Bomb?
>
>What makes you think I think that Alabama doesn't have The Bomb?
What makes you think I think you think... *WAIT A MINUTE!* I was just
positing that any first strike on the Confederate State of Aaalllabamy
might just result in a punitive retaliatory strike. Besides, my
original suggestion re Whitehall still stands. (After all, they still
say "nuc-U-lar" in Alabama...)
Roasting English Goose,
---Sawney Beane
Sawney Beane
On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 03:28:49 -0700, Adrienne N. Marshall
<Adr...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>That's very interesting, but personally speaking, I have nothing against
>the Welsh.
Neither do I (although I do admit to having a bit of fun at their
expense now and again). */;~} Outright taffy-bashing? Never!
I simply pointed out the Cardiff business as a means of qualifying
Guid King Johnnie's family as pirates, by means of satisfying your
requirement.
>So in your opinion, no *red-blooded* person should bestow such an honour?
No. Think, Adrienne: if *anybody* could bestow the official title of
Poet Laureate of a nation, just how many Poet Laureates would that
nation have? To quote an *abysmally* bad source: "There can be only
one."
>Just because a monarch wears a crown - that immediately makes them a
>better judge of art and culture?
No. That makes him the one empowered to grant official honours. The
*choosing* of the Poet Laureate is probably done in a *committee* of
Parliament (see H.L. Mencken's opinion of committees).
>The immortal Tom Paine on Monarchy:
Right. They killed him, didn't they?
>This really sums up how I feel about the whole idea of aristocracy. Such
>bowing and scraping - to honour a legacy of tyranny and greed? Never!
What? Prince Rainier? Queen Beatrice? King James IV? Emperor
Marcus Aurelius? Julius Caesar? Solomon the Magnificent? King David
of Israel? Tyranny and greed? Monarchs come in all types, just like
politicians. Deepak Chopra would say, "Greedy tyrants are a physical
manifestation of the people's own negative shadow-energies." The fact
is that anybody who *actively seeks* a position of power over other
people's lives is *probably* unfit to wield that power. To paraphrase
Robert A. Heinlein: Kings should have to be dragged, kicking and
screaming, onto the throne. Hence, my nomination for Guid King
Johnnie stands. Over the entire course of his (admittedly privileged)
life, he has evidenced absolutely no interest in what he has called
"aristocratic nonsense;" *just* the sort of Stuart I want on the
throne.
>I loved that too! They actually *enjoyed* getting splattered!
Yeah. Warms the heart, doesn't it? And then there was the time when
Bill, enroute to a speaking engagement in Atlantic City, actually
*stopped* the motorcade so he could talk with and *play the saxophone
of* a penniless street-musician in a bad part of that town (much to
the consternation of his Secret Service detail, who use the code-name
"Elvis" for him). And the time when Al had his leg broken while
playing basketball with his Secret Service unit. I tell you, they're
alright, those two.
>So I'll just stick to getting up on my socialist soapbox once in a while,
>oh, and posting poetry that nobody seems to like but me! &:^)
Oh, I liked your "Ode To A Dinner" very much; it helped my digestion.
>I'll just say this: I am strongly in favour of Scottish Independence -
>I see it as an inevitability.
Just thought this bore re-quoting. */:~}
>Wise words- ones to live by. (That's carved on a stone at
>*Marischal* College in Aberdeen, did you know that?)
You know, for some reason I thought it was Herriot-Watt, but since I
never had the pleasure of attending university in Scotland (and since
you *are* a "Marischal"), I'll take your word for it. Ghod knows,
I've killed enough memory-cells that I'm hardly sure of *many* things
these days. */;~}
Basting Liberally In Malt Whisky,
---Sawney Beane
Sawney Beane
On 12 Aug 1997 06:01:05 GMT, Stephen Hamilton
<hota...@voynospam.net> wrote:
>
>I guess the best part of this is your presupposition that a national
>leader is likely to require any sort of moral mandate to hold office.
> Admirable, but archaic.
I'm *definitely* not proposing a "national leader*, I'm proposing a
*King* (two very different animals, laddiebuck: still interested in
the job?).
>Look. Lets make it simple; I'll take the job. Only I get Saturdays
>to go fishing and none of that "droit du siegnor" crap, one never
>knows what one might catch.
I refer the dishonourable southerngentleman to the answer the
honourable (and *genteel*) Adrienne gave some moments ago.
Re droit-de-seigneur: hell, without prima nocte privileges it's hardly
worth the effort, is it? */;~} "Catch?" "*CATCH*?" From guid
Scots lasses you're afraid of "catching" something?!?! I fear,
Stephen, that you've just well and truly cooked your goose. You'll no
catch *anything* in Scotland now but a world of hurt! Lumpy gravy for
you m'lad; hell hath *NO* fury like a Celtic woman enraged. Besides,
the whole point of droit-de-seigneur was that the Monarch spent the
*first* night with the (virgin) bride. *Surely* you aren't defaming
the purity, the *innocence* of all those lovely lassies, now are you?
*/:~}
>Let's celebrate by you sending me a fifth of Talisker!
>Drinks on Sawney, gang!
Over your dead body...
>S. Robert Hamilton (how's *that* look Adrienne, and will I have to
>get a new suit for the pompous circumcision or whatever they call it
>over there?)
Given the nature of your heinous slurs against Scottish Womanhood, I
doubt very seriously if they'll stop at *circumcision*, gelding...
Anticipating "Prairie Oysters"
(With A Side Of Crow And Humble Pie),
---Sawney Beane
Adrienne N. Marshall
S.B. claimed:
> I simply pointed out the Cardiff business as a means of qualifying
> Guid King Johnnie's family as pirates, by means of satisfying your
> requirement.
royalty.
> Think, Adrienne: if *anybody* could bestow the official title of
> Poet Laureate of a nation, just how many Poet Laureates would that
> nation have? To quote an *abysmally* bad source: "There can be only
> one."
Yes, but then why is it that each week another "one" appears? (actually
I do not watch "Highlander" - but I'm assuming these "ones" keep
crawling out of the woodwork in order to keep the action going. Yes?)
That would be an interesting idea - give a whole bunch of poets the
laurel wreath, then make them work like crazy to keep it on their head.
Snooze you lose. Good incentive- result: a frenzy of creativity!
> >Just because a monarch wears a crown - that immediately makes them a
> >better judge of art and culture?
>
> No. That makes him the one empowered to grant official honours.
But he is only empowered because of his *heredity*, not because of
anything *he* has done.
Again, from the "Rights of Man": "By continuing this absurdity, man is
perpetually in contradiction with himself; he accepts for a king, or a
chief magistrate, or a legislator, a person whom he would not elect for
a constable."
And: "Hereditary succession requires the same obedience to ignorance as
to wisdom; and when once the mind can bring itself to pay this
indiscriminate reverence, it descends below the stature of mental
manhood. It is fit to be great only in little things. It acts a
treachery upon itself, and suffocates the sensations that urge to
detection."
> The
> *choosing* of the Poet Laureate is probably done in a *committee* of
> Parliament (see H.L. Mencken's opinion of committees).
Again I must ask- what makes members of Parliament a better judge of art
and culture than the rest of us? In other words, what does government
have to do with art and culture?
(H.L Mencken's opinion- which book or newspaper article?)
> Right. They killed him, didn't they?
His wisdom is alive and well - and still extremely relevant.
That's why I'm going to quote him yet again:
> Tyranny and greed? Monarchs come in all types, just like
> politicians.
"All hereditary government is in its nature tyranny. An Heritable crown,
or an hereitable throne, or by what other fanciful name such things may
be called, have no other significant explanation than that mankind are
heritable property. To inherit a government, is to inherit the people,
as if they were flocks and herds."
> Deepak Chopra would say, "Greedy tyrants are a physical
> manifestation of the people's own negative shadow-energies."
That's crap. Greedy tyrants are purely physical manifestations of
*greed*.
> The fact
> is that anybody who *actively seeks* a position of power over other
> people's lives is *probably* unfit to wield that power.
But some people *are* better able to lead and to make wise decisions. It
is up to *everyone else* however, to decide who that is and how far they
wish to follow him (or her).
> Hence, my nomination for Guid King
> Johnnie stands.
> Over the entire course of his (admittedly privileged)
> life, he has evidenced absolutely no interest in what he has called
> "aristocratic nonsense;" *just* the sort of Stuart I want on the
> throne.
I'd be willing to bet any amount that someone like *you* has more wisdom
than someone like *him*.
Anyway, I can see that you're very attached to the idea of royalty- and
so, I believe we can chalk this up to that 5% of things we don't agree
upon! &:^]
> Basting Liberally In Malt Whisky,
> ---Sawney Beane
Clean and sober at the moment,
Adrienne
Sawney Beane
Sawney Beane
On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:16:08 +0100, Derek Hodge
<der...@post.almac.co.uk> wrote <re Earl Elgin>:
>
>He's a descendant of Robert the Bruce.
Yes, yes... And so are the Stuarts. Hence their claim to the
succession (which was my point). However, since you bring
it up (much like a cat with a hairball), does this fellow pass
Adrienne's Monarchical Worthiness Test? To wit: is he a
mincing, snobbish aristo, or a friend to the common man?
Does he swash his buckle? Is his sporran warm?
Making Trifle,
---Sawney Beane