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D. Spencer Hines

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Jul 17, 2008, 3:59:52 PM7/17/08
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Hilarious!

And disarmed Brit citizens.

Deeeeeeelightful!
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"SolomonW" <Solo...@Nothing.com> wrote in message
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> In article <Favfk.28952$o12....@fe03.news.easynews.com>,
> esta...@att.net says...

>> COPS may get three hours to respond to 999s - and THREE DAYS
>> for "less urgent" calls.
>
> There was a proposal to subcontract it out to a private company.


D. Spencer Hines

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Jul 18, 2008, 11:17:46 AM7/18/08
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FAR too centralized OPCON of the police in Britain.

In the FREEDOM-loving United States -- with a FEDERAL system...

We'd never permit it.


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DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> All of which shows a terrifying lack of knowledge about how the police in
> the UK operates.
>
> The function of local government and the police authorities is the
> appointment of commanding officers and paying for stuff and saying what
> they can and cannot buy.
>
> Operational matters are in the hands of the police themselves and
> operational management is provided by the Home Office who appoint the
> 'Chief Inspector of Constabulary' and issue guidelines relating to how the
> police carry out their duties.
>
> See
>
> http://inspectorates.homeoffice.gov.uk/hmic/about/
>
> For more detail.
>
> Politicians below government minister level have no say in police
> operational matters and NO politician has any power over on-going
> operations, they are matters for the police.


Peter Skelton

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Jul 18, 2008, 11:24:16 AM7/18/08
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What his post said was that their system is less centralized than
yours, you illiterate twit.


On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:17:46 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
<pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:

>FAR too centralized OPCON of the police in Britain.
>
>In the FREEDOM-loving United States -- with a FEDERAL system...
>
>We'd never permit it.

Peter Skelton

95 Thesen

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Jul 18, 2008, 1:57:46 PM7/18/08
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On Jul 18, 10:24 am, Peter Skelton <skelt...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
> What his post said was that their system is less centralized than
> yours, you illiterate twit.
>
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:17:46 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
>
> <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
> >FAR too centralized OPCON of the police in Britain.
>
> >In the FREEDOM-loving United States -- with a FEDERAL system...
>
> >We'd never permit it.
>
> Peter Skelton
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Had I known my comments on UK local law enforcement would draw three
consecutive Hines posts, I would not have been so generous with my
recommendations. It is obvious that you chaps have a "response time
deficiency" in the U.K. Your own officials testify to the breakdown
and paralysis of the system. Sir William Black should offer solutions
instead of ranting about the "ignorance of Constabulary traditions"
among
the foreign posters.

David H
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

William Black

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Jul 18, 2008, 4:31:10 PM7/18/08
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"95 Thesen" <davidh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Had I known my comments on UK local law enforcement would draw three
> consecutive Hines posts, I would not have been so generous with my
> recommendations. It is obvious that you chaps have a "response time
> deficiency" in the U.K. Your own officials testify to the breakdown
> and paralysis of the system. Sir William Black should offer solutions
> instead of ranting about the "ignorance of Constabulary traditions"
> among
> the foreign posters.

No solution necessary here.

Reported crime is down 9%, lowest rate of burglary in the country, the
last time I rang the cops because of something that had happened the day
before they were here in just under twenty minutes, 'intruder's on the
premises' response time here is under two minutes...

We have regular patrols of Community Police (sort of 'half a policeman')
along the public footpath at the back of my house that is part of the
Cleveland Way and it's one of the few places in the country where there are
still routine foot or bicycle patrols in all except outlying areas.

We don't have any speed cameras here either as a previous Chief Constable (a
lady) said that she had better things to spend the money on, specifically
foot patrols...

I don't have a problem.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

D. Spencer Hines

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Jul 18, 2008, 5:43:37 PM7/18/08
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"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> We don't have any speed cameras here either as a previous Chief Constable
> (a lady) said that she had better things to spend the money on,
> specifically foot patrols...

Sounds Sensible.

> I don't have a problem.

Yep...

That's your standard Brit "I tend my garden" -- "No problem in MY backyard"
attitude re security.

It's the "Little England" outlook...

Here seen in Yorkshire.

London is FAR away -- and Mosul completely off his radar screen.

William Black

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Jul 18, 2008, 7:06:47 PM7/18/08
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"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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I spend a reasonable amount of time in London, Birmingham, Coventry and
Leeds/Bradford.

I have never yet experienced the problems described in your story.

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