Is the UK facing national disaster?
The Highlander
understand that the financial meltdown is not just something that
affects banks and the price of groceries. Judging from past riots in
the UK, France and other countries, the moment of truth will arrive
when the middle and working classes realize that there is little or
nothing the government can do to save them from joblessness,
bankruptcy and the loss of their homes and their familiar way of life.
Such a situation is tailor-made for groups who specialize in
disrupting law and order, such as the BNP, Combat 18, terrorists and
all the other low profile anti-social groups who will seize the
opportunity to disrupt society as festering anger erupts from those
who have lost everything and will look for someone to blame who is
close to hand, like immigrants.
Anyone who saw or participated in the Ban-The-Bomb marches will
remember how vicious the relationships between the marchers and the
police became. The recent rioting in Greece over the lack of jobs for
university graduates was a sudden reminder that all is not well, and
once the ordinary citizen links his problems to what most will see as
fat-cat politicians and bankers living high on the hog as usual, there
is ample history to show that an outraged British public can create as
vicious a riot as any Paris street crowd. A summer of broken glass,
broken heads and anger kept at boiling point could devastate the major
cities and inflame the countryside. Wrecked buses; cars set ablaze;
ambuances shuttling between hospitals; mounted policemen wielding
batons; calls for the Army maintain order in the streets; all this
could happen too easily.
Hand in hand with such riots goes robberies, home break-ins; police
unable to protect victims of beatings and muggings or even to appear
on the scene will lead to murders and looters running wild. Once
vigilantes organize themselves to protect their neighbourhoods, the
death toll will rise as armed patrols and weapons appear in public
with homeowners protecting themselves with whatever they can lay their
hands on, from kitchen knives to cricket bats to shotguns.
Could it happen? I think there's a fair chance that we might find
out.
deem...@aol.com
I think that there's a 100% chance that we'll find out :-)
Ian Smith
finger in the stour:
I reckon the UK is a complete mess. This nation has all but abandoned
it's once world-famous principles of self-reliance, success, innovation,
hard-work, basic hard-won freedoms, and the gung-ho spirit which got us
through World War 2. Instead we now reward failure, take wealth from the
productive and give it to the lazy and feckless, encourage crime and
corruption, denigrate our own white indigenous culture, appease
ungrateful immigrants who are hostile to our way of life, worship at the
totalitarian altar of political correctness, and come down like a ton of
bricks on anyone with the audacity to freely speak their mind. I often
wonder if people will ever get angry enough to actually fight back.
Perhaps, as you say, we might find out soon.
The Fifeshire Bimbo
> I reckon the UK is a complete mess. This nation has all but
abandoned
> it's once world-famous principles of self-reliance, success,
> innovation,
> hard-work, basic hard-won freedoms, and the gung-ho spirit which got
> us
> through World War 2. Instead we now reward failure, take wealth from
> the
> productive and give it to the lazy and feckless, encourage crime and
> corruption, denigrate our own white indigenous culture, appease
> ungrateful immigrants who are hostile to our way of life, worship at
> the
> totalitarian altar of political correctness, and come down like a
> ton of
> bricks on anyone with the audacity to freely speak their mind. I
> often
> wonder if people will ever get angry enough to actually fight back.
> Perhaps, as you say, we might find out soon.
Well said Ian!
Nkosi
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Couldn't agree more, meanwhile I am collecting shotgun shells :)
Nkosi@Work
conwaycaine
"Ian Smith" <ianin...@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:30:17 -0800, The Highlander scrievit this wi a
> finger in the stour:
Allow an outsider this comment.
You Brits always muddle through.
You may wait til the last minute, when all seems darkest and hope has fled.
But then, somehow, you rise and muddle through yet again.
For you see, it's not the government nor is it economic policies that will
save you, it's the people.
And the British people are tough old birds, very tough indeed..
Allow me to misquote Churchill in a comment he made to the nazi claim they
would wring England's neck like a chicken.
He said:
"Some chicken. Some neck!"
Now that's the kind of people you guys are..............
Ian Smith
stour:
Were this country not such a spineless excuse for a civilisation, and
able to trust its own people with the means to defend themselves, I would
have an extensive assortment of (currently illegal) hardware. Instead, my
only legal recourse, upon a bad situation, is to seize whatever comes to
hand on the spur of the moment, notionally win the scenario (if lucky),
and then fervently hope the resulting court case against me will conclude
in my favour that I was, after all, only exercising my basic human right
to self-defence.
Of course, should law and order break down in this fine land, then all
bets are off.
Ian Smith
finger in the stour:
> "Ian Smith" <ianin...@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote
Thank you ma'am. It is unfortunate that so many people have taken such a
long time to finally notice things going wrong. The cure is probably
going to hurt a great deal. I hope Scotland comes out on top.
Ian Smith
in the stour:
> "Ian Smith" <ianin...@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
> news:49a5a42a$0$5291$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:30:17 -0800, The Highlander scrievit this wi a
>> finger in the stour:
>
> Allow an outsider this comment.
> You Brits always muddle through.
> You may wait til the last minute, when all seems darkest and hope has
> fled. But then, somehow, you rise and muddle through yet again. For you
> see, it's not the government nor is it economic policies that will save
> you, it's the people.
> And the British people are tough old birds, very tough indeed..
>
> Allow me to misquote Churchill in a comment he made to the nazi claim
> they would wring England's neck like a chicken. He said:
> "Some chicken. Some neck!"
>
> Now that's the kind of people you guys are..............
Aye, you're probably right. But we seem to have bred a couple of
generations of sheep. Will they rip off their fleeces to expose the wolf
underneath, though? Or will it be yet another weak-willed compromise? I
am intrigued by the British film "V For Vendetta"; it is most relevant.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Eckshully, the war-mongering old bastard said:
Some chicken.................................then paused for an interminal
length of time to allow the USAin audience (who thought they had got the
joke already) to laugh and applaud and then
said:...........................Some neck.
Of course he knew his audience and expected them to react that way.
Doomsville's censored view of history would have us breaking a few
unfortunate's shop windows and then going home to watch how the US saved us
during the Battle of Britain on TV.
As for me - well I'm old enough to have lived through several
end-of-life-as-we-know-its. I'm just gratefull I lived sufficiently long to
witness the final vindicating verdict on the disaster of Thatcherism. Even
if I did have to endure 30 years of that short-sighted; well it's working OK
so far, bullshit.
Unfortunately, the spoiled brats who are still young enough to possess the
strength and energy to precipitate a fundamental change in UK history are
useless, gutless, babied wimps, who've never gone hungry a day in their
****ing lives.
Nevertheless, It remains an interesting time we live in.
I can't wait to see what will happen if we finally fail to borrow our way
out of debt this time.
conwaycaine
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:26:55 -0500, conwaycaine scrievit this wi a finger
>> Allow an outsider this comment.
>> You Brits always muddle through.
>> You may wait til the last minute, when all seems darkest and hope has
>> fled. But then, somehow, you rise and muddle through yet again. For you
>> see, it's not the government nor is it economic policies that will save
>> you, it's the people.
>> And the British people are tough old birds, very tough indeed..
>>
>> Allow me to misquote Churchill in a comment he made to the nazi claim
>> they would wring England's neck like a chicken. He said:
>> "Some chicken. Some neck!"
>>
>> Now that's the kind of people you guys are..............
>
> Aye, you're probably right. But we seem to have bred a couple of
> generations of sheep. Will they rip off their fleeces to expose the wolf
> underneath, though? Or will it be yet another weak-willed compromise? I
> am intrigued by the British film "V For Vendetta"; it is most relevant.
Of course they will.
This sheepish behavior one sees is but protective camouflage the Brits have
assumed in order to cut down on the clacking of PC types.
The iron is still there.
(I saw the film--I think. Is that the one where the man in a black cape and
mask goes out to single handedly pull down a dictatorship, killing many
along the way?)
conwaycaine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
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>>
>> You Brits always muddle through.
>> You may wait til the last minute, when all seems darkest and hope has
>> fled.
>> But then, somehow, you rise and muddle through yet again.
>> For you see, it's not the government nor is it economic policies that
>> will save you, it's the people.
>> And the British people are tough old birds, very tough indeed..
>>
>> Allow me to misquote Churchill in a comment he made to the nazi claim
>> they would wring England's neck like a chicken.
>> He said:
>> "Some chicken. Some neck!"
>
> Eckshully, the war-mongering old bastard said:
> Some chicken.................................then paused for an interminal
> length of time to allow the USAin audience (who thought they had got the
> joke already) to laugh and applaud and then
> said:...........................Some neck.
> Of course he knew his audience and expected them to react that way.
He was some kind of orator.
In the war effort, his speeches were worth several divisions at least.
"We will fight them on the beaches" etc
"This is not the end, nor is it the begining of the end. It is, however, the
end of the beginning"
"That was when we were courting them. Now that we are married, they'll see
an entirely different groom (or WTTE)"
>
> Doomsville's censored view of history would have us breaking a few
> unfortunate's shop windows and then going home to watch how the US saved
> us during the Battle of Britain on TV.
I believe you only had three channels at that time.
;=)
> As for me - well I'm old enough to have lived through several
> end-of-life-as-we-know-its. I'm just gratefull I lived sufficiently long
> to witness the final vindicating verdict on the disaster of Thatcherism.
> Even if I did have to endure 30 years of that short-sighted; well it's
> working OK so far, bullshit.
> Unfortunately, the spoiled brats who are still young enough to possess the
> strength and energy to precipitate a fundamental change in UK history are
> useless, gutless, babied wimps, who've never gone hungry a day in their
> ****ing lives.
I disagree.
> Nevertheless, It remains an interesting time we live in.
> I can't wait to see what will happen if we finally fail to borrow our way
> out of debt this time.
Remembering the ancient Chinese curse, are you?
>
Scotty
Very true and wise but I feel like raising a lynch party and go for those
b*st*rds, as someone said, it shouldn't be Merrill Lynch it should be
Lynch Merrill...
Adam Whyte-Settlar
>> Unfortunately, the spoiled brats who are still young enough to possess
>> the strength and energy to precipitate a fundamental change in UK history
>> are useless, gutless, babied wimps, who've never gone hungry a day in
>> their ****ing lives.
>
> I disagree.
You disagree with what?
You've actually met a UK kid that has gone hungry lately have you?
I havn't. What was his name?
deem...@aol.com
> "conwaycaine" <conwayca...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> news:XnTpl.9097$i9....@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>
> >> Unfortunately, the spoiled brats who are still young enough to possess
> >> the strength and energy to precipitate a fundamental change in UK history
> >> are useless, gutless, babied wimps, who've never gone hungry a day in
> >> their ****ing lives.
>
> > I disagree.
>
> You disagree with what?
> You've actually met a UK kid that has gone hungry lately have you?
You say that like it's a bad thing.
conwaycaine
"Scotty" <nob...@home.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:26:55 -0500, "conwaycaine"
> Very true and wise but I feel like raising a lynch party and go for those
> b*st*rds, as someone said, it shouldn't be Merrill Lynch it should be
> Lynch Merrill...
And many of the arrogant arses still think themselves above the law.
conwaycaine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
Comes the next war, you'll see I'm right.
They most certainly are NOT useless, gutless, babied wimps.
Ian Smith
finger in the stour:
Hopefully what we will see is a return to more sensible ways of running
our economy. Like living within one's means at both personal and national
level, for instance. The sort of thing that the present government is
incapable of, and which the new one will be forced into after being
handed their poisoned chalice at the next election. It looks to me right
now as if Gordon Broon is engaging in scorched earth policies before
finally being booted out.
nebulous
I came to that conclusion as well, some time ago. He almost deserves to be
elected again and then forced to sort out the mess he has made himself!
Neb
Fred J. McCall
:
:"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
:
Yeah? Who they gonna fight that against? Monaco?
--
"You keep talking about slaying like it's a job. It's not.
It's who you are."
-- Kendra, the Vampire Slayer
deem...@aol.com
> "conwaycaine" <conwayca...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> ::"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
>
> :news:tNmdnZZR_oa00jTU...@westnet.com.au...
>
> :>news:XnTpl.9097$i9....@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
> :>
> :>>> Unfortunately, the spoiled brats who are still young enough to possess
> :>>> the strength and energy to precipitate a fundamental change in UK
> :>>> history are useless, gutless, babied wimps, who've never gone hungry a
> :>>> day in their ****ing lives.
> :>>
> :>> I disagree.
> :>
> :> You disagree with what?
> :> You've actually met a UK kid that has gone hungry lately have you?
> :> I havn't. What was his name?
> :
> :Comes the next war, you'll see I'm right.
> :They most certainly are NOT useless, gutless, babied wimps.
> :
>
> Yeah? Who they gonna fight that against? Monaco?
>
I hear Andorra has started an expansionist policy.
deem...@aol.com
> "Ian Smith" <ianinho...@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
>
> news:49a9752a$0$6426$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:03:22 +1000, Adam Whyte-Settlar scrievit this wi a
> > finger in the stour:
>
> >>news:uAxpl.8782$v8....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
> >>> "Ian Smith" <ianinho...@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
Some said that in 04 about Bush...."It's his war, let him deal with
it".
The Fifeshire Bimbo
> Hopefully what we will see is a return to more sensible ways of
running
> our economy. Like living within one's means at both personal and
> national
> level, for instance.
It's funny you should mention that Ian. This was an article in the
local paper on Friday ...
http://www.thespec.com/article/521443
Recession? Artists know all about it Recession? Artists know all about
it
Creative types have found ways to survive on lower, unpredictable
incomes
Back to the realities of making your life happy and fulfilling and
filling the stomach and dressing the bod and paying off the mortgage.
Here are some practical tips on what I've learned to do in the crunch
of a recession/depression:
1. Live below your means. That means, take a hard look at what you
have coming into your household and live below it.
Talk to your family. It may mean moving to a cheaper space or turning
down the gas furnace or forgoing that daily Starbucks, but get real.
Money worries are one of the biggest reasons families split up. It's
hard to create when the wolf is at the door.
Cut up all credit cards except one for emergencies only. Pay off the
highest interest one first and negotiate with the companies to reduce
the interest rate. Get rid of that debt! Do I sound like a financial
planner? Yep.
2. Only use cash or debit and really see where your money is going
every week.
I hate budgets as much as anyone, but set one up just for a while to
get you started.
Shop for sale items at the local grocery stores. It is amazing the
great products that go on sale every week. Stock up when the price is
too good to miss.
3. Shop at the second-hand shops for your clothes.
I have found some unbelievable designer clothes, brand new for $2.99
each. I love the hunt. It is an adventure.
I am not saying don't shop at the mall or get things new. We have GOT
to keep money circulating to keep jobs and keep the oil in the engine,
but if you are out of a job right now, wake up. This is serious. Get
real.
4. Give some money away to a needy cause. This is soul work. Drop that
$10 into the kettle. What goes around comes around. And do something
nice today.
You have air to breathe and legs to walk and a voice to sing, and you
are here on the planet -- in Canada.
5. Create something. Anything. Write a poem or a song or just tinkle
on Gramma's old piano, or make soup or cookies. Rearrange your
furniture. Make a quilt, remake a dress, plant a seed, paint a
portrait, do a charcoal drawing ... just do it.
6. Don't spend anything for two days a week. Not a penny. Just have
fun going for a walk, take a Thermos of hot chocolate to a park and
watch the clouds. Go for a bike ride, or watch the birds.
Make a game out of it with the kids. Frugal rock! Use the library --
it's free and my favourite place in the world!
7. Be grateful. You don't live in a refugee camp. You don't live in a
war zone.
When I was growing up, my parents split, and we lost everything. We
lived on mother's allowance. I made my own clothes and had toasted
mayo sandwiches for dinner. Been there. But we had friends and music
and a sense of humour, and we got through.
Be grateful for the sunlight and the dark nights that let the stars
shine. Gratitude is a blessing.
8. Laugh -- a lot. Every day. See the humour in everything and have
good friends who love to laugh and love. Get funny movies from the
library.
9. Plant a garden or join a community garden. You can grow a garden on
a balcony in containers. Share seeds and plants and the harvest in the
fall.
Ask your neighbour who has a green thumb to advise you on how to grow
veggies. There is a wealth of knowledge in your back-yard
neighbourhood.
10. Be part of the community. Shop local. Buy art. Know your
neighbours. Keep a watchful eye on each other. Make a big pot of soup
and pass some over to them.
We all need to help each other. We'll weather this storm. We are
resilient, strong, creative beings here in Hamilton.
It takes one to know one.
Jude Johnson lives in Hamilton and is an artist, musician and
songwriter and director of the MAD creative art school. ju...@nas.net
The Fifeshire Bimbo
> Hopefully what we will see is a return to more sensible ways of
running
> our economy. Like living within one's means at both personal and
> national
> level, for instance.
I seem to recall you talking about a return to the barter sytem
recently but I can't find it and I read another article in Thursday's
Spec on that very subject ...
A haircut for a paint job
Bartering makes a comeback for those short on cash in tough times
Anne Wallace Allen
The Associated Press
BOISE, Idaho (Feb 27, 2009)
Tired of her pink bathroom countertops but short on cash for a
remodel, Rachel Alemany decided to get the work done the old-fashioned
way: through bartering.
Alemany has experience putting down flooring, so she and her husband
traded flooring work with a neighbour who has tiling experience.
"It was that easy," said Alemany, a special-education teacher. She got
the idea from her mother-in-law, who exchanged renovations for room
and board, and she might try it again: "I have other rooms in my house
that need work."
Bartering -- the trading of goods or services without using cash -- is
making a comeback in a troubled economy. It can be as simple as
trading babysitting with another family or as complex as an exchange
with strangers facilitated by one of the several websites that have
sprung up to connect barterers.
Bartering ads on Craigslist have increased about 100 per cent since
last year, said Susan MacTavish Best, a spokeswoman for the online
classified advertising service. Traffic is also up at organizations
that act as a go-between for clients.
Boise beautician Heather Wood has traded haircuts and pedicures for
years of daycare, kids' clothes, a paint job for her car, an oil
change, a set of professional portraits for her family and dental
cleaning.
"It's fun, and it builds a whole different kind of a relationship,"
said Wood, who has five children. "They're getting what they want and
I'm getting what I want. I would much rather do that than make cash
most of the time."
These days, making cash isn't always an option, so many have decided
it is worth the effort to trade, say, an outgrown kid's bike for a
neighbour's lawn mower or a massage for some gardening supplies.
Bartering can be less expensive than buying because there are few
overhead costs for rent or staff.
However, not all costs are eliminated. The IRS and the Canada Revenue
Agency consider barter dollars as identical to real currency for tax
reporting.
But bartering can also be more fun than laying down cash.
You can read the rest here ... http://www.thespec.com/article/521377
Adam Whyte-Settlar
Let's hope you're right come the revolution.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
>> I can't wait to see what will happen if we finally fail to borrow our way
>> out of debt
>> this time.
>
> Hopefully what we will see is a return to more sensible ways of running
> our economy. Like living within one's means at both personal and national
> level, for instance.
There's nothing wrong with borrowing up to a point. I've made heaps using
the banks money.
So long as you can service the loan during the worst case scenario I have no
objections.
The sort of thing that the present government is
> incapable of, and which the new one will be forced into after being
> handed their poisoned chalice at the next election. It looks to me right
> now as if Gordon Broon is engaging in scorched earth policies before
> finally being booted out.
Oohhh. Goody. Then we'll get those paragons of economic virtue The Tories
back in power.
Just when the Thatcher/Reagan free-market pholosophy finally reached it's
wholly inevitable and long-predicted bankrupt end-game.
You really think replacing the current set of inept tory toadies with
another set of inept tory toadies is going to make the slightest difference
to anything?
It didn't the last time. Nor the time before that - nor the time before
that.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"The Fifeshire Bimbo" <htr.@awa.an.bile.yer.heid.com> wrote in message
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> Bartering -- the trading of goods or services without using cash
Yeah - great idea.
I've got a three-legged goat and a hula-hoop and I want to barter it for a
Batman outfit.
Give me strength.
Hey - I've just had a spark of genius!! It's called "money"!
It will revolutionise human life on Earth if it ever catches on.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
> Cut up all credit cards except one for emergencies only. Pay off the
> highest interest one first and negotiate with the companies to reduce the
> interest rate.
At which point they will usually tell you to FOAD.
Best course is to simply switch the balance to a zero interest credit card
company every six months.
There are heaps of 'zero interest on transfered balance' offers out there.
In this economic climate paying interest is for wimps. Just say no.
conwaycaine
> "Ian Smith" <ianin...@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote
> Bartering makes a comeback
What do you mean "Makes a comeback"?
I've been bartering with my dear wife for decades.
conwaycaine
"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> :They most certainly are NOT useless, gutless, babied wimps.
> :
>
> Yeah? Who they gonna fight that against? Monaco?
You apparently are confusing the stout English Yeomen with the
frenchies............
conwaycaine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> Comes the next war, you'll see I'm right.
>> They most certainly are NOT useless, gutless, babied wimps.
>
> Let's hope you're right come the revolution.
It would seem that the daily newspapers are the next lot to go down the
tube.
Let's see how much aid a "Grateful" government gives our free press.
I tell you, the end times are upon us.
Fred J. McCall
:
:"The Fifeshire Bimbo" <htr.@awa.an.bile.yer.heid.com> wrote in message
:
Yeah, but the minute you have that stuff, some more will start trying
to inflate its value to make something out of nothing.
--
"Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute."
-- Charles Pinckney
Fred J. McCall
:
:"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
:
You mean that 'stout' English yeomanry like Boudie?
You know, a healthier diet might help with that 'stout' part....
--
"If you grab them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow."
-- Chuck Colson
Ian Smith
the stour:
You're absolutely right about that.
Ian Smith
finger in the stour:
> "Ian Smith" <ianin...@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
> news:49a9752a$0$6426$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>
>>> I can't wait to see what will happen if we finally fail to borrow our
>>> way out of debt
>>> this time.
>>
>> Hopefully what we will see is a return to more sensible ways of running
>> our economy. Like living within one's means at both personal and
>> national level, for instance.
>
> There's nothing wrong with borrowing up to a point. I've made heaps
> using the banks money.
> So long as you can service the loan during the worst case scenario I
> have no objections.
Of course, sensible borrowing for sensible investment.
>
> The sort of thing that the present government is
>> incapable of, and which the new one will be forced into after being
>> handed their poisoned chalice at the next election. It looks to me
>> right now as if Gordon Broon is engaging in scorched earth policies
>> before finally being booted out.
>
>
> Oohhh. Goody. Then we'll get those paragons of economic virtue The
> Tories back in power.
> Just when the Thatcher/Reagan free-market pholosophy finally reached
> it's wholly inevitable and long-predicted bankrupt end-game. You really
> think replacing the current set of inept tory toadies with another set
> of inept tory toadies is going to make the slightest difference to
> anything?
> It didn't the last time. Nor the time before that - nor the time before
> that.
I could say the same about present and past Labour governments who have
seen the private sector (the wealth creators) as simply something to
bleed dry and piss all the money up against a wall. The party of (really
f*cking) big government. I don't expect the Tories to have any special
tricks up their sleeves either. They are all part of the same problem; a
voting system which lets a stupidly small minority of voters decide which
bunch of blithering idiots will run this country.
Ian Smith
finger in the stour:
> "The Fifeshire Bimbo" <htr.@awa.an.bile.yer.heid.com> wrote in message
Well bartering is really useful for keeping the government out of one's
business. No receipts, no paper trail, no records. Nice. Especially if
governments attempt to do away with cash entirely, and have everyone's
credit card controlled from a central database, which of course will
_never_ _ever_ be used/abused in any way to control people's lives for
political purposes...
Ian Smith
finger in the stour:
> "Ian Smith" <ianin...@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote
Aye, bartering's a good idea. But what are "barter dollars"? If no cash
changes hands and no job is negotiated in monetary amounts, how can they
exist? Would anybody be daft enough to declare stuff like that on their
tax return? Surely the whole bartering idea is to keep government noses
out of our business? (And don't call me Shirley...) :-)
Fred J. McCall
:On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:55:40 -0500, The Fifeshire Bimbo scrievit this wi a
:
Value of barter services received is computed based on 'usual and
customary' costs of things. FAIL to declare stuff like that on your
tax return and get caught and you could go to jail.
conwaycaine
> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> :>
> :
> :You apparently are confusing the stout English Yeomen with the
> :frenchies............
> :
>
> You mean that 'stout' English yeomanry like Boudie?
You mean Body the Mouth?
> You know, a healthier diet might help with that 'stout' part....
It's that Anglo-Saxon blood line what dooms them to weight gain.
Ian Smith
finger in the stour:
Well, without a paper trail (e.g. amongst friends), how is this
enforceable, short of spying on everyone to check if they're bartering? I
realise of course that trading services online is an entirely different
kettle of traceable fish.
Fred J. McCall
:On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:41:05 -0700, Fred J. McCall scrievit this wi a
:finger in the stour:
:>
:> Value of barter services received is computed based on 'usual and
:> customary' costs of things. FAIL to declare stuff like that on your tax
:> return and get caught and you could go to jail.
:
:Well, without a paper trail (e.g. amongst friends), how is this
:enforceable, short of spying on everyone to check if they're bartering? I
:realise of course that trading services online is an entirely different
:kettle of traceable fish.
:
Just so long as none of your friends (or you) have any enemies (or
busybody neighbors) it's probably hard to trace. However, if there
ARE any such, all it takes is one telephone call....
--
"Rule Number One for Slayers - Don't die."
-- Buffy, the Vampire Slayer
The Fifeshire Bimbo
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:55:40 -0500, The Fifeshire Bimbo scrievit
> this wi a
> finger in the stour:
>> overhead costs for rent or staff.
>>
>> However, not all costs are eliminated. The IRS and the Canada
>> Revenue
>> Agency consider barter dollars as identical to real currency for
>> tax
>> reporting.
>>
>> But bartering can also be more fun than laying down cash.
>>
>> You can read the rest here ...
>> http://www.thespec.com/article/521377
>
> Aye, bartering's a good idea. But what are "barter dollars"?
I would suspect that they put a dollar value on the services traded.
>If no cash changes hands and no job is negotiated in monetary
>amounts,
>how can they exist?
Physically, they wouldn't.
Would anybody be daft enough to declare stuff like that on their
> tax return?
I would hope not. I'd say that would be one of the most important
reasons for doing it.
>Surely the whole bartering idea is to keep government noses
> out of our business? (And don't call me Shirley...) :-)
Shirley! Wouldn't dream of it
The Fifeshire Bimbo
> Value of barter services received is computed based on 'usual and
> customary' costs of things. FAIL to declare stuff like that on your
> tax return and get caught and you could go to jail.
So the idea is *not* to get caught.
Fred J. McCall
:"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote
:
Yeah, pretty much.
--
"The odds get even - You blame the game.
The odds get even - The stakes are the same.
You bet your life."
-- "You Bet Your Life", Rush
Adam Whyte-Settlar
You missed my point - I was calling *Labour* "the current set of inept tory
toadies". They aren't the Labour Party I grew up with - they are just
ToryLite. In fact they aren't even that 'Lite'.
who have
> seen the private sector (the wealth creators) as simply something to
> bleed dry and piss all the money up against a wall. The party of (really
> f*cking) big government. I don't expect the Tories to have any special
> tricks up their sleeves either. They are all part of the same problem; a
> voting system which lets a stupidly small minority of voters decide which
> bunch of blithering idiots will run this country.
Exactly - it's time for revolution.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
If you don't you could end up in jail. You would be set up or grassed off to
the authorities for sure.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
People like brain-dead would like nothing better than to inform on you.
The government don't *need* spies when you have neighbours. You've only to
witness the petty bitterness and bitching about bank officials bonuses to
realise that there is an army of twisted would-be grasses already in place.
Why should YOU get a tax-free bag of potatoes when they didn't?
Adam Whyte-Settlar
Who needs (paper) newspapers? They get their stories from Twitter anyway.
I probably read more newspaper stories than I ever have but all of them
online.
The writing has been on the wall for the printing-press media for at least
10 years. In fact I'm amazed they have survived as lont as they have. I
guess old habits die hard but with the next generation of netizens growing
up it's over for them.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:57:18 +1000, Adam Whyte-Settlar scrievit this wi a
> finger in the stour:
>
>> "The Fifeshire Bimbo" <htr.@awa.an.bile.yer.heid.com> wrote in message
>> news:70ufa5F...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>> Bartering -- the trading of goods or services without using cash
>>
>> Yeah - great idea.
>> I've got a three-legged goat and a hula-hoop and I want to barter it for
>> a Batman outfit.
>>
>> Give me strength.
>>
>> Hey - I've just had a spark of genius!! It's called "money"! It will
>> revolutionise human life on Earth if it ever catches on.
>
> Well bartering is really useful for keeping the government out of one's
> business. No receipts, no paper trail, no records.
Of course there is. You still have to record and then declare the value of
any non-cash income on your tax returns or you are committing a criminal
offence.
And don't think your neighbour won't grass on you.
Nice. Especially if
> governments attempt to do away with cash entirely, and have everyone's
> credit card controlled from a central database, which of course will
> _never_ _ever_ be used/abused in any way to control people's lives for
> political purposes...
It's not called a 'credit card' now - it's called 'the new ID card'. Your
credit card transactions will be only a small part of the data collected on
you.
I did try to warn you about this about five years ago but of course I was
judeged as just being anti-American or something like that.
Fred J. McCall
:
:"Ian Smith" <ianin...@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
:news:49aaf7fa$0$7450$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
:> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:41:05 -0700, Fred J. McCall scrievit this wi a
:> finger in the stour:
:>>
:>> Value of barter services received is computed based on 'usual and
:>> customary' costs of things. FAIL to declare stuff like that on your tax
:>> return and get caught and you could go to jail.
:>
:> Well, without a paper trail (e.g. amongst friends), how is this
:> enforceable, short of spying on everyone to check if they're bartering?
:
:People like brain-dead would like nothing better than to inform on you.
:The government don't *need* spies when you have neighbours. You've only to
:witness the petty bitterness and bitching about bank officials bonuses to
:realise that there is an army of twisted would-be grasses already in place.
:Why should YOU get a tax-free bag of potatoes when they didn't?
:
The real ones to worry about turning you in are those antisocial
self-important assholes like Asshat White Settler. They do it just as
a sop to their own self-righteous self-importance.
--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain
conwaycaine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
>> tube.
>> Let's see how much aid a "Grateful" government gives our free press.
>> I tell you, the end times are upon us.
>
>
> Who needs (paper) newspapers? They get their stories from Twitter anyway.
> I probably read more newspaper stories than I ever have but all of them
> online.
> The writing has been on the wall for the printing-press media for at least
> 10 years. In fact I'm amazed they have survived as lont as they have. I
> guess old habits die hard but with the next generation of netizens growing
> up it's over for them.
Well, it will make the governmental censoring of the news much easier.
conwaycaine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
> "Ian Smith" <ianin...@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
> of course I was judeged as just being anti-American or something like
> that.
Is there any doubt?
conwaycaine
> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:41:05 -0700, Fred J. McCall scrievit this wi a
> Well, without a paper trail (e.g. amongst friends), how is this
> enforceable, short of spying on everyone to check if they're bartering? I
> realise of course that trading services online is an entirely different
> kettle of traceable fish.
We have this quaint little custom of the IRS sharing the loot with the
snitches.
conwaycaine
> "Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote
> So the idea is *not* to get caught.
That is ALWAYS the idea, Miz Helen...........
Ian Smith
finger in the stour:
> "Ian Smith" <ianin...@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
> news:49aaee49$0$7450$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:57:18 +1000, Adam Whyte-Settlar scrievit this wi
>> a finger in the stour:
>>
>>> "The Fifeshire Bimbo" <htr.@awa.an.bile.yer.heid.com> wrote in message
>>> news:70ufa5F...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>> Bartering -- the trading of goods or services without using cash
>>>
>>> Yeah - great idea.
>>> I've got a three-legged goat and a hula-hoop and I want to barter it
>>> for a Batman outfit.
>>>
>>> Give me strength.
>>>
>>> Hey - I've just had a spark of genius!! It's called "money"! It will
>>> revolutionise human life on Earth if it ever catches on.
>>
>> Well bartering is really useful for keeping the government out of one's
>> business. No receipts, no paper trail, no records.
>
> Of course there is. You still have to record and then declare the value
> of any non-cash income on your tax returns or you are committing a
> criminal offence.
> And don't think your neighbour won't grass on you.
Well I break the speed limit every morning on the way to work, so sue
me. ;-)
> Nice. Especially if
>> governments attempt to do away with cash entirely, and have everyone's
>> credit card controlled from a central database, which of course will
>> _never_ _ever_ be used/abused in any way to control people's lives for
>> political purposes...
>
> It's not called a 'credit card' now - it's called 'the new ID card'.
> Your credit card transactions will be only a small part of the data
> collected on you.
> I did try to warn you about this about five years ago but of course I
> was judeged as just being anti-American or something like that.
Aye, the new ID card, which will replace bank/credit cards/cash, and be
controlled by the government. I have also been accused of paranoia by
some of my peers, or just plain deranged. I don't look forward to having
the last laugh; the very idea of such a dystopian existence repulses me
so much.
Ian Smith
finger in the stour:
I suspect non-declared bartering would go down a great treat in many
parts of Scotland; particularly the communities where canny Scots live
who might have a penchant for bending the rules a wee bit now and again.
Not that I would encourage people to break the law, you understand...
nebulous
I'm not sure it ever went away in some parts of Scotland.
Neb
Ian Smith
in the stour:
> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
On the other hand, the internet has been a great bastion of free
information and speech. Let us hope we can keep it that way.
S Viemeister
>
> I suspect non-declared bartering would go down a great treat in many
> parts of Scotland; particularly the communities where canny Scots live
> who might have a penchant for bending the rules a wee bit now and again.
> Not that I would encourage people to break the law, you understand...
In some parts of Scotland, that sort of bartering has never stopped!
Charles Ellson
wrote:
>
>"Ian Smith" <ianin...@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
>news:49aaee49$0$7450$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:57:18 +1000, Adam Whyte-Settlar scrievit this wi a
>> finger in the stour:
>>
>>> "The Fifeshire Bimbo" <htr.@awa.an.bile.yer.heid.com> wrote in message
>>> news:70ufa5F...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>> Bartering -- the trading of goods or services without using cash
>>>
>>> Yeah - great idea.
>>> I've got a three-legged goat and a hula-hoop and I want to barter it for
>>> a Batman outfit.
>>>
>>> Give me strength.
>>>
>>> Hey - I've just had a spark of genius!! It's called "money"! It will
>>> revolutionise human life on Earth if it ever catches on.
>>
>> Well bartering is really useful for keeping the government out of one's
>> business. No receipts, no paper trail, no records.
>
>Of course there is. You still have to record and then declare the value of
>any non-cash income on your tax returns or you are committing a criminal
>offence.
>
Not (in the Ukay) if the item is a chattel** which is not new.
** [...generally means personal possessions and includes items such as
paintings, furniture, vehicles, boats, jewellery, musical instruments,
wines and spirits and collectible items. - HMRC]
<snip>
conwaycaine
> On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:11:07 +1000, Adam Whyte-Settlar scrievit this wi a
>> It's not called a 'credit card' now - it's called 'the new ID card'.
>> Your credit card transactions will be only a small part of the data
>> collected on you.
>> I did try to warn you about this about five years ago but of course I
>> was judeged as just being anti-American or something like that.
>
> Aye, the new ID card, which will replace bank/credit cards/cash, and be
> controlled by the government. I have also been accused of paranoia by
> some of my peers, or just plain deranged. I don't look forward to having
> the last laugh; the very idea of such a dystopian existence repulses me
> so much.
Any truth to the rumor that the ID numbers will consist of three groups,
each group with six numbers?
conwaycaine
> On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:24:50 -0500, conwaycaine scrievit this wi a finger
>> Well, it will make the governmental censoring of the news much easier.
>
> On the other hand, the internet has been a great bastion of free
> information and speech. Let us hope we can keep it that way.
I think I remember reading our illustrious past President was having even
that monitored.
Fred J. McCall
:
:"Ian Smith" <ianin...@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
You mean Clinton? It was on his watch that Carnivore was implemented.
--
You have never lived until you have almost died.
Life has a special meaning that the protected
will never know.
conwaycaine
"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8j9pq4173qj5opc7n...@4ax.com...
> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> :> On the other hand, the internet has been a great bastion of free
> :> information and speech. Let us hope we can keep it that way.
> :
> :I think I remember reading our illustrious past President was having even
> :that monitored.
>
> You mean Clinton? It was on his watch that Carnivore was implemented.
>
Lucky for Clinton he wasn't alive when the Great Depression hit..........
Ian Smith
in the stour:
> "Ian Smith" <ianin...@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
Haven't heard that one, but rumour has it that after an inevitable
epidemic of missing/stolen compulsory ID cards, they will insert chips
under our skin. Over my dead body, that is...
Fred J. McCall
:
:"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I'm sorry you find the facts inconvenient on occasion, Conway, but
that doesn't stop them from being facts.
You want someone who has been consistently opposed to attempts to
'police' or 'regulate' the internet? Try Newt Gingerich.
Yeah, it's a strange, strange world for folks who think with their
ideologies.
--
"It's always different. It's always complex. But at some point,
somebody has to draw the line. And that somebody is always me....
I am the law."
-- Buffy, The Vampire Slayer
Adam Whyte-Settlar
>> It's not called a 'credit card' now - it's called 'the new ID card'.
>> Your credit card transactions will be only a small part of the data
>> collected on you.
>> I did try to warn you about this about five years ago but of course I
>> was judeged as just being anti-American or something like that.
>
> Aye, the new ID card, which will replace bank/credit cards/cash, and be
> controlled by the government. I have also been accused of paranoia by
> some of my peers, or just plain deranged. I don't look forward to having
> the last laugh; the very idea of such a dystopian existence repulses me
> so much.
Absolutely repulsive I agree.
And, as you imply, watching the terminally gullible and the utterly stupid
sleepwalk right into it is no fun either.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
> On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:57:44 -0500, conwaycaine scrievit this wi a finger
> in the stour:
>
>> "Ian Smith" <ianin...@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
>> news:49ac304a$0$28107$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>> On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:11:07 +1000, Adam Whyte-Settlar scrievit this wi
>>> a
>>>>>> "The Fifeshire Bimbo" <htr.@awa.an.bile.yer.heid.com> wrote in
>>>>>> message
>>
>>>> It's not called a 'credit card' now - it's called 'the new ID card'.
>>>> Your credit card transactions will be only a small part of the data
>>>> collected on you.
>>>> I did try to warn you about this about five years ago but of course I
>>>
>>> Aye, the new ID card, which will replace bank/credit cards/cash, and be
>>> controlled by the government. I have also been accused of paranoia by
>>> some of my peers, or just plain deranged. I don't look forward to
>>> having the last laugh; the very idea of such a dystopian existence
>>> repulses me so much.
>>
>> Any truth to the rumor that the ID numbers will consist of three groups,
>> each group with six numbers?
>
> Haven't heard that one, but rumour has it that after an inevitable
> epidemic of missing/stolen compulsory ID cards, they will insert chips
> under our skin. Over my dead body, that is...
That will be arranged of course. No ID chip - no NHS.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"S Viemeister" <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote in message
news:712qvkF...@mid.individual.net...
I would be very careful what you say in this public forum - especially when
you already have such a suspiciously foriegn sounding name.
The problem with bartering is as I alluded to earlier. If I've got a
three-legged goat and a hula hoop what are the chances I'm going to find
someone at the local market who not only has the second-hand Batman outfit
I'm looking for but also happens to want a three-legged goat and a hula
hoop?
Thats what we have MONEY for. Its just a more efficient form of bartering.
S Viemeister
> "S Viemeister" <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote in message
> news:712qvkF...@mid.individual.net...
>> Ian Smith wrote:
>>> I suspect non-declared bartering would go down a great treat in many
>>> parts of Scotland; particularly the communities where canny Scots live
>>> who might have a penchant for bending the rules a wee bit now and again.
>>> Not that I would encourage people to break the law, you understand...
>> In some parts of Scotland, that sort of bartering has never stopped!
>
> I would be very careful what you say in this public forum - especially when
> you already have such a suspiciously foriegn sounding name.
I thought my post was sufficiently non-specific (and non-incriminating).
> The problem with bartering is as I alluded to earlier. If I've got a
> three-legged goat and a hula hoop what are the chances I'm going to find
> someone at the local market who not only has the second-hand Batman outfit
> I'm looking for but also happens to want a three-legged goat and a hula
> hoop?
> Thats what we have MONEY for. Its just a more efficient form of bartering.
>
>
I've been known to use money, when absolutely necessary.
conwaycaine
> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> :Lucky for Clinton he wasn't alive when the Great Depression hit..........
>
> I'm sorry you find the facts inconvenient on occasion, Conway, but
> that doesn't stop them from being facts.
Is it true Wee Willy set the "Trickle Down" theory in motion?
> You want someone who has been consistently opposed to attempts to
> 'police' or 'regulate' the internet? Try Newt Gingerich.
Old Newt.
He's still your hero then.
> Yeah, it's a strange, strange world for folks who think with their
> ideologies.
It being a nice day here, I'll let that one slide.
Fred J. McCall
:
:"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
:news:purrq4p2i7inttp7e...@4ax.com...
:> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
:
:> :Lucky for Clinton he wasn't alive when the Great Depression hit..........
:>
:> I'm sorry you find the facts inconvenient on occasion, Conway, but
:> that doesn't stop them from being facts.
:
:Is it true Wee Willy set the "Trickle Down" theory in motion?
:
Nope. You really need to work on separating fact from ideology,
Conway. Clinton was the one who put Special Rendition in place and
had Carnivore developed to monitor the internet.
:> You want someone who has been consistently opposed to attempts to
:> 'police' or 'regulate' the internet? Try Newt Gingerich.
:
:Old Newt.
:He's still your hero then.
:
Just pointing out another one of those inconvenient facts for folks
like you, Conway.
:> Yeah, it's a strange, strange world for folks who think with their
:> ideologies.
:
:It being a nice day here, I'll let that one slide.
:
As well you should, since it's so sad when you self-inflict.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
Cory Bhreckan
It all depends on which leg the three-legged goat is missing (and the
colour of the hula hoop).
> Thats what we have MONEY for. Its just a more efficient form of bartering.
>
>
--
"For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall
S Viemeister
> Adam Whyte-Settlar wrote:
>> "S Viemeister" <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote in message
>> news:712qvkF...@mid.individual.net...
>>> Ian Smith wrote:
>>>> I suspect non-declared bartering would go down a great treat in many
>>>> parts of Scotland; particularly the communities where canny Scots
>>>> live who might have a penchant for bending the rules a wee bit now
>>>> and again. Not that I would encourage people to break the law, you
>>>> understand...
>>> In some parts of Scotland, that sort of bartering has never stopped!
>>
>> I would be very careful what you say in this public forum - especially
>> when you already have such a suspiciously foriegn sounding name.
>> The problem with bartering is as I alluded to earlier. If I've got a
>> three-legged goat and a hula hoop what are the chances I'm going to
>> find someone at the local market who not only has the second-hand
>> Batman outfit I'm looking for but also happens to want a three-legged
>> goat and a hula hoop?
>
> It all depends on which leg the three-legged goat is missing (and the
> colour of the hula hoop).
>
Deirdre Sholto Douglas
S Viemeister wrote:
>
> Cory Bhreckan wrote:
> > It all depends on which leg the three-legged goat is missing (and the
> > colour of the hula hoop).
> >
> How long have you been trying to get rid of your Batman outfit?
Ever since he got the Spiderman one.
Deirdre
nebulous
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
In the land of Barter, he who produces three-legged goats and hula hoops
does not survive. As he really shouldn't. In the land of credit he will
always find some tit, with a plastic card, to take them off his hands.
Why do you think people with poodle-clipping parlours in hill sheep country
are the first to go to the wall in a credit crunch?
Now if your product is something really useful barter works pretty well. My
forebears got on quite well for a couple of hundred years at least, swopping
fish for potatoes, chickens or oatmeal. Some of them even mastered the art
of swopping fish for whisky.
Of course money does work better, but it requires an element that is going
to be sadly missing in the next few years - blind faith. You have to make
money your God. You have to believe it holds the key to the life you want,
or it isn't worth diddly squat.
That faith is about to be sorely tested.
Neb
S Viemeister
>
> Now if your product is something really useful barter works pretty well. My
> forebears got on quite well for a couple of hundred years at least, swopping
> fish for potatoes, chickens or oatmeal. Some of them even mastered the art
> of swopping fish for whisky.
>
>
My ggGrandad swopped (home-made) whisky for French willow - he made
baskets, and firmly believed that the French willow worked better than
the local stuff.
Cory Bhreckan
How was his whisky?
S Viemeister
> S Viemeister wrote:
>> nebulous wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Now if your product is something really useful barter works pretty
>>> well. My forebears got on quite well for a couple of hundred years at
>>> least, swopping fish for potatoes, chickens or oatmeal. Some of them
>>> even mastered the art of swopping fish for whisky.
>>>
>>>
>> My ggGrandad swopped (home-made) whisky for French willow - he made
>> baskets, and firmly believed that the French willow worked better than
>> the local stuff.
>
> How was his whisky?
>
Cory Bhreckan
Since it was given to me as a Christmas present from my in-laws.
Peter Jason
"Cory Bhreckan" <corybhreckan@nospam_verizon.net> wrote in
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I would have thought that in colder climes there were plenty
of people who want sex with a goat while wearing a Batman
costume. Especially if the goat wears the costume!
You're sitting on a gold mine.
conwaycaine
> On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:57:44 -0500, conwaycaine scrievit this wi a finger
> in the stour:
>> Any truth to the rumor that the ID numbers will consist of three groups,
>> each group with six numbers?
>
> Haven't heard that one, but rumour has it that after an inevitable
> epidemic of missing/stolen compulsory ID cards, they will insert chips
> under our skin. Over my dead body, that is...
666, the mark of the beast.
(Really)
conwaycaine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
And one can neither buy nor sell (to quote a "myth")
Ian Smith
finger in the stour:
Private health care? Using bartered services for payment, of course.
preciou...@gmail.com
On Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:30:17 AM UTC, The Highlander wrote:
> Now that the UK is essentially bankrupt, people are starting to
> understand that the financial meltdown is not just something that
> affects banks and the price of groceries. Judging from past riots in
> the UK, France and other countries, the moment of truth will arrive
> when the middle and working classes realize that there is little or
> nothing the government can do to save them from joblessness,
> bankruptcy and the loss of their homes and their familiar way of life.
>
> Such a situation is tailor-made for groups who specialize in
> disrupting law and order, such as the BNP, Combat 18, terrorists and
> all the other low profile anti-social groups who will seize the
> opportunity to disrupt society as festering anger erupts from those
> who have lost everything and will look for someone to blame who is
> close to hand, like immigrants.
>
> Anyone who saw or participated in the Ban-The-Bomb marches will
> remember how vicious the relationships between the marchers and the
> police became. The recent rioting in Greece over the lack of jobs for
> university graduates was a sudden reminder that all is not well, and
> once the ordinary citizen links his problems to what most will see as
> fat-cat politicians and bankers living high on the hog as usual, there
> is ample history to show that an outraged British public can create as
> vicious a riot as any Paris street crowd. A summer of broken glass,
> broken heads and anger kept at boiling point could devastate the major
> cities and inflame the countryside. Wrecked buses; cars set ablaze;
> ambuances shuttling between hospitals; mounted policemen wielding
> batons; calls for the Army maintain order in the streets; all this
> could happen too easily.
>
> Hand in hand with such riots goes robberies, home break-ins; police
> unable to protect victims of beatings and muggings or even to appear
> on the scene will lead to murders and looters running wild. Once
> vigilantes organize themselves to protect their neighbourhoods, the
> death toll will rise as armed patrols and weapons appear in public
> with homeowners protecting themselves with whatever they can lay their
> hands on, from kitchen knives to cricket bats to shotguns.
>
> Could it happen? I think there's a fair chance that we might find
> out.
The Phantom Piper
>
> <snipped drivel to get to the point>
>
>...given your level of intelligence...
Says the eejit who just responded to a post made by
a man (now departed) MORE THAN THREE AND A
HALF YEARS AGO...
>...get a brain!
Physician, heal thyself!
(Oh, and while you were hoisting by your own petard
[look it up, dummy], you stupidly Top-Posted, as well.)
Amazed And Amused,
The Phantom Piper
killwhang
conway caine
"The Phantom Piper" wrote in message
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(Oh, and while you were hoisting by your own petard
[look it up, dummy], you stupidly Top-Posted, as well.)
Amazed And Amused,
killwhang
> "The Phantom Piper" wrote in message
>
> news:ad5e1b26-39c9-4715...@tr7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> (Oh, and while you were hoisting by your own petard
>
> [look it up, dummy], you stupidly Top-Posted, as well.)
conway caine
"killwhang" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:04:37 AM UTC+13, conway caine wrote:
> "The Phantom Piper" wrote in message
sewers.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
> "Ian Smith" <ianin...@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
> > On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:30:17 -0800, The Highlander scrievit this wi a
> > finger in the stour:
>
> Allow an outsider this comment.
> You Brits always muddle through.
> You may wait til the last minute, when all seems darkest and hope has fled.
> But then, somehow, you rise and muddle through yet again.
> For you see, it's not the government nor is it economic policies that will
> save you, it's the people.
> And the British people are tough old birds, very tough indeed..
>
> Allow me to misquote Churchill in a comment he made to the nazi claim they
> would wring England's neck like a chicken.
> He said:
> "Some chicken. Some neck!"
>
> Now that's the kind of people you guys are..............
Not me - I bailed out and fled as far away as I could the moment it became obvious what was about to go down.
Screw the British.
I'm all right.
Bryn Fraser
Bryn
conway caine
"Bryn Fraser" wrote in message
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> On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:04:37 AM UTC+13, conway caine wrote:
> > "The Phantom Piper" wrote in message
>
deal with???
Bryn Fraser
One died at the end of February, aged 50, two more diagnosed around
the same time, one with throat cancer, the other with ovarian cancer.
Alerted by the first death we pressed for diagnosis. Had we not, they
would have been ignored. Both have responded to treatment and should
make it. The boy (late 40s) 6 weeks of intense Radiotherapy (daily)
and Chemo (biweekly).
The girl endured 3 months of Chemo, two operations and lost all of her
girl's bits below the waist. Now 3 more months of Chemo. She is doing
well, depressed about the finality of motherhood but mostly about the
hair... In fact mostly the hair, not bald just thin and short..
I know a great deal about augmentation of these therapies and they
have both done well. It has cost a lot in time, energy and cash. I
don't regret any of it.. Though I wish it had never happened,
obviously.. Oh and my missus broke her pelvis...
Mary
news:551a5896-0603-4e8e...@b19g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
your two children responded to treatment. I can imagine your daughter must
be depressed about finality of motherhood and her hair. Maybe her hair will
thicken after her treatment ends and as time goes on. Does she have
children? Of course you would wish it never happened. Anybody would. It
must be hard on everybody, and hard on your children - getting treatment
would be no picnic but it is good they are doing well. Sorry about your wife
breaking her pelvis. I hope things improve very soon for all. Best of luck.
Mary
Bryn Fraser
> "Bryn Fraser" <brianlovett...@gmail.com> wrote in message
my daughter has never been a mother, she was not that bothered before
but now there is no chance it weighs on her mind but she accepts that
being alive is a good thing...
We are doing OK...
Séimí mac Liam
--
Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99
conway caine
"Bryn Fraser" wrote in message
They have always lived within 20 miles of an Atomic power station...
One died at the end of February, aged 50, two more diagnosed around
the same time, one with throat cancer, the other with ovarian cancer.
Alerted by the first death we pressed for diagnosis. Had we not, they
would have been ignored. Both have responded to treatment and should
make it. The boy (late 40s) 6 weeks of intense Radiotherapy (daily)
and Chemo (biweekly).
The girl endured 3 months of Chemo, two operations and lost all of her
girl's bits below the waist. Now 3 more months of Chemo. She is doing
well, depressed about the finality of motherhood but mostly about the
hair... In fact mostly the hair, not bald just thin and short..
I know a great deal about augmentation of these therapies and they
have both done well. It has cost a lot in time, energy and cash. I
don't regret any of it.. Though I wish it had never happened,
obviously.. Oh and my missus broke her pelvis...
inner drive being to protect the family at all costs.
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your loved ones.
Mary
> Bryn - All this must be a great strain for you and all your family. I'm
> glad
> your two children responded to treatment. I can imagine your daughter must
> be depressed about finality of motherhood and her hair. Maybe her hair
> will
> thicken after her treatment ends and as time goes on. Does she have
> children? Of course you would wish it never happened. Anybody would. It
> must be hard on everybody, and hard on your children - getting treatment
> would be no picnic but it is good they are doing well. Sorry about your
> wife
> breaking her pelvis. I hope things improve very soon for all. Best of
> luck.
>
> Mary
Thank you, Mary, your kindly thoughts are very welcome. Unfortunately
my daughter has never been a mother, she was not that bothered before
but now there is no chance it weighs on her mind but she accepts that
being alive is a good thing...
We are doing OK...
thing. Such bad times for all of you. But things will improve as time goes
by. My thoughts are with you all.
Mary
Bryn Fraser
wrote:
> Bryn Fraser <brianlovett...@gmail.com> wrote innews:1f2ab69e-dabb-4e6f...@v3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 8:03�pm, "Mary" <noth...@invalid.not> wrote:
> >> "Bryn Fraser" <brianlovett...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:551a5896-0603-4e8e...@b19g2000vbt.googlegroups.com
> >> ... On Nov 10, 3:16 pm, "conway caine" <conwayca...@bellsouth.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > "Bryn Fraser" wrote in message
>
> >> >news:97f257e2-f9e3-4c57...@o30g2000vbu.googlegroups.co
> >> >m..
> > .
> >> > On Oct 30, 5:42 am, killwhang <gyansor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:04:37 AM UTC+13, conway caine
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > "The Phantom Piper" wrote in message
>
> >> > I back, sorry half my kids have cancer, its distracting...
>
> >> > ****Dear God, Bryn. What sort of genetic anomalies are you guys
> >> > forced
> > to
> >> > deal with???
>
> >> They have always lived within 20 miles of an Atomic power station...
>
> >> must be hard on everybody, and hard on your children - getting
> >> treatment would be no picnic but it is good they are doing well.
> >> Sorry about your w
> > ife
> > luck.
>
> >> Mary
>
> > Thank you, Mary, your kindly thoughts are very welcome. Unfortunately
> > my daughter has never been a mother, she was not that bothered before
> > but now there is no chance it weighs on her mind but she accepts that
> > being alive is a good thing...
>
> > We are doing OK...
>
> Such great sadness, our thoughts are with you.
>
> --
> Prophet of The Great Tagger
> Canonized December '99
better now. All reports are good.. The surgeon is the same guy who
fixed me 20 years ago. He's cool..