English Schools
Dr Tam
Auckland- specially shipped.
Anyway, I saw a UK TV propramme here called something like 'That'll teach
'em' which was shown last year in the UK. It is about an *nglish Secondary
Modern School mock-up - 1960s style. They get modern kids and put them in
1960s style classes.Anyway, one of the things they had to do was eat kippers
for breakfast and all the kids hated them. I have always loved them and
could not understand why the youth of today hates kippers?
Of course in Scotland we had no secondary modern schools - only
comprehensive and 'grammar' schools of sorts.
We used to educate all sorts at the comprehensive by streaming - we had the
'domer' classes for the thickies who did woodwork and metal-bashing. They
are having the last laugh with the way things are at present they get paid
more than the brainy ones!
One thing I coudl not understand was that their school on TV was a boarder -
did you get Sec Modern boarders?
Of course in those days we would have had Wotan clones dishing out the cane
with gay abandon - did it really work though?
Dr Tam
Paul C
wrote:
>
>Of course in Scotland we had no secondary modern schools - only
>comprehensive and 'grammar' schools of sorts.
Senior Secondaries and Junior Secondaries
>
>Of course in those days we would have had Wotan clones dishing out the cane
>with gay abandon - did it really work though?
Yes.
--
Paul
D@vid SNSP
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That was a great series of programs. I loved it that a boy who had no way in
life found an interest in bricklaying. Too many yoofs are going to
University with too little intelect or chance of jobs at the end. Skilled
craftmen and wifeies are needed in Scotland now.
Edecation, Edecation, Edecation is my parties motto.
--
Scottish National Socialist Party ~ SNSP
Pąrtaidh Nąiseanta Sņisealta na h-Alba
http://www.snsp.info/
Ian Morrison
> On Mon, 2 May 2005 18:50:55 +1200, "Dr Tam" <Pro...@yahoo.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Of course in Scotland we had no secondary modern schools - only
>>comprehensive and 'grammar' schools of sorts.
>
>
> Senior Secondaries and Junior Secondaries
In my young day there were Burgh Schools if you failed your Qualy (I
didn't).
There were boarding facilities at many schools drawing pupils from
remote areas, including, for example, Inverness and the islands. These
have almost all been phased out, I believe.
------
Ian O.
The Real Fifeshire Bimbo
> Kippers or smoked Herring - love them and we get Aberdeen
> ones here in Auckland- specially shipped.
We get them in Canada too.
> Anyway, one of the things they had to do was eat
> kippers for breakfast and all the kids hated them.
> I have always loved them and could not understand
> why the youth of today hates kippers?
I love 'em!
Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Follow-ups set to scs
Michilín
Me too. A taste of childhood! I can get them from the local
supermarket; choice of Aberdeen, Scotland or Nova Scotia kippers. The
Nova Scotia ones cost one-third less than the Scottish ones - typical
Aberdeen rip-off.
Michilín
Nuair ně iad fŕsach, canaidh iad sěth ris.
They make a wilderness and call it peace.
Jackie Mulheron
> Of course in Scotland we had no secondary modern schools - only
> comprehensive and 'grammar' schools of sorts.
Well I went to what we called a "secondary school" - not a "secondary
modern" which does sound Anglistani.
But so does this creature you call a "comprehensive". In fact I've never
heard schools in Scotland called that.
And you lecture people hear with you half assed ignorant comments about what
is and isn't Scottish culture.
Dr Tam
"Jackie Mulheron" <JackieM...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Dr Tam" <Pro...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:c5kde.2954$Od6.4...@news.xtra.co.nz...
>
> > Of course in Scotland we had no secondary modern schools - only
> > comprehensive and 'grammar' schools of sorts.
>
> Well I went to what we called a "secondary school" - not a "secondary
> modern" which does sound Anglistani.
>
> But so does this creature you call a "comprehensive". In fact I've never
> heard schools in Scotland called that.
>
> And you lecture people hear with you half assed ignorant comments about
what
> is and isn't Scottish culture.
>
>
still are 90%) comprehensive. They don't explicitly call them
comprehensive - they are named this or that Academy eg Forfar Academy,Mearns
Academy and so on. I assume you went to school either in Ingerland or a
Catholic school and that would explain many of your dumb comments?
Comprehensive education means that they took everybody nomatter what their
background - there were no entrance exams for instance. They did of course
have the 11-plus a long time ago and this determined whether you did Latin
or not or ended up doing 'lesser' things such as woodwor at secondary.So in
the same school you would have all abilities - streamed.Contrast that with a
Grammar which was supposed to have entrance exams. Secondary moderns were
English and they catered for the less academic pupil.You did CSEs rather
than GSEs for instance and you would never have thought of doing A levels.
Dr Tam
http://www.literacytrust.org.uk/Update/excellence.html
Scotland stands by comprehensive education
As comprehensive education was rejected in England, the Scottish educational
community remained confident there would be fewer bombshells when Scottish
ministers reveal in September how they will spend their extra £4.1 billion
between 2002 and 2006.
It is assumed that commitments to key policies like social inclusion and new
community schools will be honoured.
Pat Watters, president of the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities,
said: "Comprehensive education is a right in Scotland and it's very
important it continues."
Ian Morrison
> Never heard of comprehensive education - Scottish schools were probably (and
> still are 90%) comprehensive. They don't explicitly call them
> comprehensive - they are named this or that Academy eg Forfar Academy,Mearns
> Academy and so on.
Scottish schools might be comprehensive in nature now, but they haven't
always been. My Secondary School (still called Madras College) turned
comprehensive, I think, in my third or fourth year.
> I assume you went to school either in Ingerland or a
> Catholic school and that would explain many of your dumb comments?
> Comprehensive education means that they took everybody nomatter what their
> background - there were no entrance exams for instance. They did of course
> have the 11-plus a long time ago
We did *not* have the 11-plus in Scotland. We had the Qualifying
Examination, which I passed. My best friend at Primary School didn't
pass and went to the Burgh School in Tayport. He had a second chance at
the Qualy, passed, and went to Secondary School (Bell Baxter).
> and this determined whether you did Latin
> or not or ended up doing 'lesser' things such as woodwor at secondary.
Wrong again! When my elder sister pased her Qualy, she didn't have to do
Latin at Secondary School, whereas I did. However, it wasn't all that
long before my sister's day that a certificate in Latin was a university
entrance requirement, so of course the higher-flying streams had to take it.
> So in
> the same school you would have all abilities - streamed.Contrast that with a
> Grammar which was supposed to have entrance exams. Secondary moderns were
> English and they catered for the less academic pupil.You did CSEs rather
> than GSEs for instance and you would never have thought of doing A levels.
I'll leave others to point out the errors in that paragraph.
------
Ian O.
Lachie
>Dr Tam wrote:
>
>> Never heard of comprehensive education - Scottish schools were probably (and
>> still are 90%) comprehensive. They don't explicitly call them
>> comprehensive - they are named this or that Academy eg Forfar Academy,Mearns
>> Academy and so on.
>
>Scottish schools might be comprehensive in nature now, but they haven't
>always been. My Secondary School (still called Madras College) turned
>comprehensive, I think, in my third or fourth year.
>
Sorry Ian, I think you will find that it should now be called Chennai
College.
Of course you may argue that Chennai has roots in Telegu and not in
Tamil, however the Legass has made it's decision and who are we to
question their decision?
SNiP
--
Lachie.
Nauta agricolae malam puellam dat?
Ian Morrison
> Sorry Ian, I think you will find that it should now be called Chennai
> College.
I'm sure it should, but very much doubt I would have any influence in
persuading Fife Council to change it, short of offering a substantial
donation, of course.
> Of course you may argue that Chennai has roots in Telegu and not in
> Tamil,
I might....
> however the Legass has made it's decision and who are we to
> question their decision?
Quite....
(Where did the name "Madras" come from anyway? It doesn't sound anything
like "Chennai", and it certainly wasn't a name borrowed from that of a
school in St Andrews and applied to a city in India.)
------
Ian O.
Karl-Heinz Efkemann
> On Mon, 2 May 2005 08:11:02 -0400, "The Real Fifeshire Bimbo"
> <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> wrote:
>
> >"Dr Tam" <Pro...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote
> >
> >
> >I love 'em!
> >
> >Cheers, Helen
> >hramsay at cogeco dot ca
>
> Me too. A taste of childhood! I can get them from the local
> supermarket; choice of Aberdeen, Scotland or Nova Scotia kippers. The
> Nova Scotia ones cost one-third less than the Scottish ones - typical
> Aberdeen rip-off.
Michilín, what can you tell about the bones in a Kipper? I have a phobia
of these small bones in a fish.
--
Karl-Heinz
Madra Dubh
"Karl-Heinz Efkemann" <khefk...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Yes, Highlander, are the bones of a Kipper as effective as a sheep's liver
for divination purposes?
Michilín
No.
Michilín
<khefk...@netscape.net> wrote:
>Am Montag, den 02.05.2005, 16:34 +0000 schrieb Michil=EDn:
>> On Mon, 2 May 2005 08:11:02 -0400, "The Real Fifeshire Bimbo"
>> <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> >"Dr Tam" <Pro...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote
>> >> Kippers or smoked Herring - [...]
>> >
>> >
>> >I love 'em!
>> >
>> >Cheers, Helen
>> >hramsay at cogeco dot ca
>> >[...]
>>=20
>> Me too. A taste of childhood! I can get them from the local
>> supermarket; choice of Aberdeen, Scotland or Nova Scotia kippers. The
>> Nova Scotia ones cost one-third less than the Scottish ones - typical
>> Aberdeen rip-off.
>
>Michil=EDn, what can you tell about the bones in a Kipper? I have a phobia
>of these small bones in a fish.
Scots normally use a blunt knife to lift away the backbone, which can
be scraped for any remaining meat. Many Scots have a thick slice of
bread with the kipper, so that any bones which stick in the throat can
be swept away by eating a piece of the bread. Bones sticking in adult
throats are rare; children are the commonest victims because of their
smaller throats in which the bones can be trapped.
In any case, the saliva in the mouth and throat dissolves trapped
kipper bones fairly quickly; usually within 10 to 20 minutes. The
bones which are not seen and are thus eaten are not thick enough to
cause damage, but are merely irritating. As I said above, the larger
bones attached to the backbone can be lifted away in one piece.
>--=20
>Karl-Heinz
Dr Tam
"Ian Morrison" <iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Dr Tam wrote:
>
> > Never heard of comprehensive education - Scottish schools were probably
(and
> > still are 90%) comprehensive. They don't explicitly call them
> > comprehensive - they are named this or that Academy eg Forfar
Academy,Mearns
> > Academy and so on.
>
> Scottish schools might be comprehensive in nature now, but they haven't
> always been. My Secondary School (still called Madras College) turned
> comprehensive, I think, in my third or fourth year.
>
maybe? Scotland has a long tradition of comprehensive education.Even in my
Mothers days of the 1930s they were comprehensive so God knows how far you
go back. Now it is true there has been and always will be the odd private
school but not many.Catholic schools are a dead loss - all religious crap.
> > I assume you went to school either in Ingerland or a
> > Catholic school and that would explain many of your dumb comments?
> > Comprehensive education means that they took everybody nomatter what
their
> > background - there were no entrance exams for instance. They did of
course
> > have the 11-plus a long time ago
>
> We did *not* have the 11-plus in Scotland. We had the Qualifying
> Examination, which I passed. My best friend at Primary School didn't
> pass and went to the Burgh School in Tayport. He had a second chance at
> the Qualy, passed, and went to Secondary School (Bell Baxter).
>
Essentially the same thing.
> > and this determined whether you did Latin
> > or not or ended up doing 'lesser' things such as woodwor at secondary.
>
> Wrong again! When my elder sister pased her Qualy, she didn't have to do
> Latin at Secondary School, whereas I did. However, it wasn't all that
> long before my sister's day that a certificate in Latin was a university
> entrance requirement, so of course the higher-flying streams had to take
it.
>
> > So in
> > the same school you would have all abilities - streamed.Contrast that
with a
> > Grammar which was supposed to have entrance exams. Secondary moderns
were
> > English and they catered for the less academic pupil.You did CSEs rather
> > than GSEs for instance and you would never have thought of doing A
levels.
>
> I'll leave others to point out the errors in that paragraph.
>
> ------
> Ian O.
No errors in that last paragraph.The odd few did A levels and got Cs and Ds
and may have ended up in some form of higher education.In Scotland we did
SCEs (Scottish Certificate of Education).
No point in me throwing pearls in front of swine.
Dr Tam
Adam Whyte-Settlar
>I have always loved them and
> could not understand why the youth of today hates kippers?
'Cos they've got *bones* in them Dumbo.
Ergo it takes *effort* to eat them.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Michilín" <mic...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:42782be4.1740262@news...
.
> >
> >Yes, Highlander, are the bones of a Kipper as effective as a sheep's
liver
> >for divination purposes?
>
> No.
The things one learns on usenet.
Alan Smaill
> "Ian Morrison" <iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:vQGde.21221$qK3....@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Dr Tam wrote:
>>
>> > Never heard of comprehensive education - Scottish schools were probably
> (and
>> > still are 90%) comprehensive. They don't explicitly call them
>> > comprehensive - they are named this or that Academy eg Forfar
> Academy,Mearns
>> > Academy and so on.
>>
>> Scottish schools might be comprehensive in nature now, but they haven't
>> always been. My Secondary School (still called Madras College) turned
>> comprehensive, I think, in my third or fourth year.
>>
> Beg to differ on that one but I assume you may be talking about the 1920s
> maybe? Scotland has a long tradition of comprehensive education.Even in my
> Mothers days of the 1930s they were comprehensive so God knows how far you
> go back. Now it is true there has been and always will be the odd private
> school but not many.Catholic schools are a dead loss - all religious crap.
Well, it depends where you were, but there were non-comprehensive
state schools in Scotland up to around 1970, with pupils going
to the more or less academic school on the basis of the exam that
Ian O mentions. (different in more rural areas without the numbers
to support separate schools, I suppose).
This was outside religious/private schools.
...
--
Alan Smaill
Ian Morrison
> Beg to differ on that one but I assume you may be talking about the 1920s
> maybe? Scotland has a long tradition of comprehensive education.Even in my
> Mothers days of the 1930s they were comprehensive so God knows how far you
> go back.
That's not true.
> Now it is true there has been and always will be the odd private
> school but not many.Catholic schools are a dead loss - all religious crap.
Catholic schools are often considered highly desirable by parents
wanting their children to have a decent education (g*d knows why!).
>
>
>> > I assume you went to school either in Ingerland or a
>>
>>>Catholic school and that would explain many of your dumb comments?
>>>Comprehensive education means that they took everybody nomatter what
>
> their
>
>>>background - there were no entrance exams for instance. They did of
>
> course
>
>>>have the 11-plus a long time ago
>>
>>We did *not* have the 11-plus in Scotland. We had the Qualifying
>>Examination, which I passed. My best friend at Primary School didn't
>>pass and went to the Burgh School in Tayport. He had a second chance at
>>the Qualy, passed, and went to Secondary School (Bell Baxter).
>>
>
> Essentially the same thing.
Not at all "the same thing". The Scottish Qualifying examination results
were not determined by numbers of places available, as were *nglish
11-plus results.
>
>
>> > and this determined whether you did Latin
>>
>>>or not or ended up doing 'lesser' things such as woodwor at secondary.
>>
>>Wrong again! When my elder sister pased her Qualy, she didn't have to do
>>Latin at Secondary School, whereas I did. However, it wasn't all that
>>long before my sister's day that a certificate in Latin was a university
>>entrance requirement, so of course the higher-flying streams had to take
>
> it.
>
>> > So in
>>
>>>the same school you would have all abilities - streamed.Contrast that
>
> with a
>
>>>Grammar which was supposed to have entrance exams. Secondary moderns
>
> were
>
>>>English and they catered for the less academic pupil.You did CSEs rather
>>>than GSEs for instance and you would never have thought of doing A
>
> levels.
>
>>I'll leave others to point out the errors in that paragraph.
>>
>>------
>>Ian O.
>
> No errors in that last paragraph.The odd few did A levels and got Cs and Ds
> and may have ended up in some form of higher education.In Scotland we did
> SCEs (Scottish Certificate of Education).
Just to take one example of an error in your paragraph, there was no
"GSE" exam in *nglish Secondary Modern schools.
>
> No point in me throwing pearls in front of swine.
Why not throw "neep tides" instead?
It doesn't say much for the engineering profession, when people as
ignorant of simple facts as yourself speak on its behalf.
------
Ian O.
Madra Dubh
The sheep will be ever so thankful.
<wink>
Madra Dubh
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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And you having had the advantage of an English public school education.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
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A W-S
Dr Tam
Dr Tam
Me an Inginiuir - you must be kidding - they pay them peanuts!
Not clever enough to be an engineer either.I'm a doctor of course you twat!
Dr Tam
Dr Tam
Dr Tam
Jim Stewart
I do not get paid peanuts. And I get to travel many places in the world.
I am at retirement age and have two houses, a fairly new van and enough in
my pocket to afford gas.
I do not sit around and worry about whose grammar school is best. There
are more important things to do. Like teaching those "peanut paid" engineers
to design safe structures and mechanisms. The ship (English of course) is
sinking
and you are sniveling about the Yorkshire pudding getting wet.
Jim Stewart
Custos Custodum
wrote:
>
>Me an Inginiuir - you must be kidding - they pay them peanuts!
>Not clever enough to be an engineer either.I'm a doctor of course you twat!
>
I congratulate you on achieving so much with so little!
Ian Morrison
It is a relief that you're not an engineer, but I'm a bit concerned that
you might be a medical doctor. Hopefully your doctorate is in Art
History, Media Studies or some other subject where lives are not put at
risk because your rather obvious failings.
------
Ian O.
Madra Dubh
No Kippers for the nipper in knickers then................
The Real Fifeshire Bimbo
> > Me an Inginiuir - you must be kidding - they pay them peanuts!
> > Not clever enough to be an engineer either.I'm a doctor of course you
twat!
>
> It is a relief that you're not an engineer, but I'm a bit concerned
> that you might be a medical doctor. Hopefully your doctorate is
> in Art History, Media Studies or some other subject where lives
> are not put at risk because your rather obvious failings.
Amen!
--
Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Follow ups trimmed to scs
Jackie Mulheron
>
> "Jackie Mulheron" <JackieM...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:3dnt83F...@individual.net...
>>
>> "Dr Tam" <Pro...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
>> news:c5kde.2954$Od6.4...@news.xtra.co.nz...
>>
>> > Of course in Scotland we had no secondary modern schools - only
>> > comprehensive and 'grammar' schools of sorts.
>>
>> Well I went to what we called a "secondary school" - not a "secondary
>> modern" which does sound Anglistani.
>>
>> But so does this creature you call a "comprehensive". In fact I've never
>> heard schools in Scotland called that.
>>
>> And you lecture people hear with you half assed ignorant comments about
> what
>> is and isn't Scottish culture.
>>
>>
> Never heard of comprehensive education - Scottish schools were probably
> (and
> still are 90%) comprehensive. They don't explicitly call them
> comprehensive - they are named this or that Academy eg Forfar
> Academy,Mearns
> Academy and so on. I assume you went to school either in Ingerland or a
> Catholic school and that would explain many of your dumb comments?
No. I went to an Academy. Yes there is a comprehensive education in Scotland
but no Comprehensive Schools. Those are in Anglistan.