Ha ha ha HARRY
d@ve
Bryn Fraser
<d...@vedundee.com> writes
I found it in a cupboard at home and thought "Goodho!"... That'll save
time..
>
>
--
Bryn
Remove the gremlins to email me...
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Bryn Fraser" <br...@finhall.gremlinsdemon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Bv$UxAANN...@finhall.demon.co.uk...
> In article <yomFd.118113$48.9...@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, d@ve
> <d...@vedundee.com> writes
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4170083.stm
> >
> >We knew yer Granny wis a nazi
So you alone have at last identified the Father? Bravo Dave.
>
> I found it in a cupboard at home and thought "Goodho!"... That'll save
> time..
Are you mounting a challenge for my coveted postion as 'most obtuse poster
on scs'?
A W-S
Bryn Fraser
<grawi...@hotmail.com> writes
Perhaps I should have prefixed it: Harry commented " I found it etc..."
What a silly fuss and bother, not even a good swastika...
Michilín
CNN has become all apoplectic and bulgy-eyed over it (Lots of Jewish
people work there)
Being Americans, they are of course debating suitable "punishments"
(Americans love punishment) and are lining up to smack the royal
moosh.
I shall probabl;y never eat off Royal Doulton again. Give me the plain
peasant version every time and pass me the Red Banner as I tune up on
the Internationale and Hava Nagila.
Michilín
d@ve
>
> I shall probabl;y never eat off Royal Doulton again. Give me the plain
> peasant version every time and pass me the Red Banner as I tune up on
> the Internationale and Hava Nagila.
>
> Michilín
Hava Na bloddy Nagila - It wis that bloody tune that sent me on my way to
Eretz Kosher all those years ago.
Now I'll be bloody hummming it all night.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
> In article <41e64c2b$1...@clear.net.nz>, Adam Whyte-Settlar
> <grawi...@hotmail.com> writes
> >
> >"Bryn Fraser" <br...@finhall.gremlinsdemon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:Bv$UxAANN...@finhall.demon.co.uk...
> >> In article <yomFd.118113$48.9...@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, d@ve
> >> <d...@vedundee.com> writes
> >> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4170083.stm
> >> >
> >> >We knew yer Granny wis a nazi
> >
> >So you alone have at last identified the Father? Bravo Dave.
> >
> >>
> >> I found it in a cupboard at home and thought "Goodho!"... That'll save
> >> time..
> >
> >Are you mounting a challenge for my coveted postion as 'most obtuse
poster
> >on scs'?
> >
>
> Perhaps I should have prefixed it: Harry commented " I found it etc..."
And to be fair perhaps I should have read the article before now.
What a load of bollocks about nothing. It was a *fancy dress* party FFS.
Perhaps that's the problem - if he was a real nazi like his
step-grandparents then no-one would be surprised.
What exactly is he supposed to apologise for? Acknowledging that the nazi's
once existed?
If he had gone dressed as Napoleon I could understand the fuss - I mean ol'
Boney was a *French* mass-murdering, imperialistic, war-mongering
megalomaniac after all.
I guess he would have felt a right tit all evening though.
A W-S
Alan Hardie
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41e6...@clear.net.nz...
>
> > Perhaps I should have prefixed it: Harry commented " I found it etc..."
>
> And to be fair perhaps I should have read the article before now.
>
> What a load of bollocks about nothing. It was a *fancy dress* party FFS.
It was a "colonials and natives" party. Dunno about you but I never really
saw the Nazis as chummy colonial types.
> Perhaps that's the problem - if he was a real nazi like his
> step-grandparents then no-one would be surprised.
You're presupposing that he isn't.
> What exactly is he supposed to apologise for? Acknowledging that the
nazi's
> once existed?
For wearing their ensignia on his arm - because of what it represents.
That's what he should apologise for. And he should apologise for being a
total ****wit - though I concede - given his parentage he was bound to be.
josiah-...@dsl.pipex.com
Fraser <br...@finhall.gremlinsdemon.co.uk> :
>In article <yomFd.118113$48.9...@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, d@ve
><d...@vedundee.com> writes
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4170083.stm
>>
>>We knew yer Granny wis a nazi
>
>I found it in a cupboard at home and thought "Goodho!"... That'll save
>time..
Prequel -
"Who's is this Granny ?"
It belonged to my Uncle Edward, Harry.
His friend Adolphus gave it to him when he visited him"
"May I borrow it ?"
-- TDS
Michilín
Boy, your taste really ia all in your mouth, isn't it?
Michilín
MacRobert
<grawi...@hotmail.com> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:
!!!
<blink.... blink>
aureole wit, so ya are.
MacR
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Alan Hardie" <axha...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:41e6...@clear.net.nz...
> >
> > > Perhaps I should have prefixed it: Harry commented " I found it
etc..."
> >
> > And to be fair perhaps I should have read the article before now.
> >
> > What a load of bollocks about nothing. It was a *fancy dress* party FFS.
>
> It was a "colonials and natives" party. Dunno about you but I never really
> saw the Nazis as chummy colonial types.
I didn't read the fine details - I read it was 'Fancy Dress'.
> > What exactly is he supposed to apologise for? Acknowledging that the
> nazi's
> > once existed?
>
> For wearing their ensignia on his arm - because of what it represents.
Didn't the German Army *all* wear the Swastika? Much the same way as the US
army wears the Stars and Stripes on a badge? SFAIUI he was supposed to be a
'Desert Fox' or something like that. Again, I didn't read the fine details
so I might have that wrong. Rommel wore a Swastika - he also tried to
asassinate Hitler.
OK - it was a pretty stupid costume and in obvious poor taste, but it's not
really in the same league as bombing Iraqi civilians using blatent lies as
an excuse is it? Hav'nt noticed Bush apologising for that yet - whereas
Harry *has* apologised for his poor taste.
Is it illegal to wear it? Is it illegal to be a nazi? It was a private fancy
dress party. He should tell the hypocritical UK public - the same people
that support the fascist and illegal invasion of Iraq - to **** off and mind
their own business.
> That's what he should apologise for. And he should apologise for being a
> total ****wit - though I concede - given his parentage he was bound to be.
Lady Di and an obscure proffesional cricketer? Hmmm - what chance did he
have eh?
>
>
>
>
mac...@eircom.net
M
Lesley Robertson
"Alan Hardie" <axha...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> That's what he should apologise for. And he should apologise for being a
> total ****wit - though I concede - given his parentage he was bound to be.
>
Would there have been this fuss if he'd dressed up as Satan? There's a lot
of folk around with nothing better to do than look for chances to get
themselves a little bit of publicity by taking offence at something or
other - like the lovely Mr Howard for a start. And you can imagine the
conversation at the German Embassy befor yesterday's PM "Hey Fritz, the BBC
wants us tobe offended - how offended are we?" Result - 20 minutes bullying
of a thoughtless kid who's having to face up to the fact that someone he
thought was a friend sold that photo to one of the scandal rags.
At the same time, the floods, destruction and missing families in the West
Of Scotland merited a brief 30 second mention.
Lesley Robertson
Lachie
>
>"Alan Hardie" <axha...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:110565553...@nnrp-t71-03.news.uk.clara.net...
>>
>> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:41e6...@clear.net.nz...
>> >
>> > > Perhaps I should have prefixed it: Harry commented " I found it
>etc..."
>> >
"I was born in Dusseldorf und that is why they call me Rolf"
>> > And to be fair perhaps I should have read the article before now.
>> >
>> > What a load of bollocks about nothing. It was a *fancy dress* party FFS.
>>
>> It was a "colonials and natives" party. Dunno about you but I never really
>> saw the Nazis as chummy colonial types.
>
>I didn't read the fine details - I read it was 'Fancy Dress'.
>
>> > What exactly is he supposed to apologise for? Acknowledging that the
>> nazi's
>> > once existed?
>>
>> For wearing their ensignia on his arm - because of what it represents.
>
>Didn't the German Army *all* wear the Swastika? Much the same way as the US
>army wears the Stars and Stripes on a badge? SFAIUI he was supposed to be a
>'Desert Fox' or something like that. Again, I didn't read the fine details
>so I might have that wrong. Rommel wore a Swastika - he also tried to
>asassinate Hitler.
>OK - it was a pretty stupid costume and in obvious poor taste, but it's not
>really in the same league as bombing Iraqi civilians using blatent lies as
>an excuse is it? Hav'nt noticed Bush apologising for that yet - whereas
>Harry *has* apologised for his poor taste.
"Don't be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the Nazi party!"
>Is it illegal to wear it? Is it illegal to be a nazi? It was a private fancy
>dress party. He should tell the hypocritical UK public - the same people
>that support the fascist and illegal invasion of Iraq - to **** off and mind
>their own business.
>
>
I saw the Producers last Wednesday, we were treated to long legged
dancing girls in SS Uniforms waving swastikas, German soldiers dancing
in the shape of a swastika with tanks paratroopers and mirror balls,
much Heil Hiltering and goose-stepping. Homing pigeons that saluted
Adolf Schicklgruber also provided great hilarity.
I spent most of the evening laughing my self stupid, it is the must see
show in London at the moment, with a run booking until the end of 2005.
It is making the production company rather a lot of money.
Oh and Charlie and his boys had a good time when they went to see it.
>> That's what he should apologise for. And he should apologise for being a
>> total ****wit - though I concede - given his parentage he was bound to be.
>
>Lady Di and an obscure proffesional cricketer? Hmmm - what chance did he
>have eh?
>>
"Springtime for Hitler"
from Mel Brooks' The Producers
Germany was having trouble, what a sad, sad story
Needed a new leader to restore its former glory
Where oh where was he? Where could that man be?
We looked around, and then we found, the man for you and me,
And now it's ...
Springtime for Hitler and Germany,
Deutschland is happy and gay.
We're marching to a faster pace,
Look out, here comes the master race.
Springtime for Hitler and Germany,
Winter for Poland and France.
Springtime for Hitler and Germany,
Come on, Germans, go into your dance ...
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
(Gun fires twice)
Goose-step's the new step today
(Machine gun fires)
Bombs falling from the skies again,
(Bomb falls and explodes)
Deutschland is on the rise again
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
U-boats are sailing once more
[woman's voice]: "Well! Talk about bad taste!"
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Means ... that ... soon we'll be going ...
We've got to be going ...
You know we'll be going to ... WAR!
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/hitler.html
http://www.producersonbroadway.com/
--
Lachie.
"Suerte que mis pechos sean pequenos, y no los confundas con montanas."
Ripoll.
Michilín
Thank you for saving me the trouble of repeating what you wrote above.
Seconded!
Michilín
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
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>
> a friend sold that photo to one of the scandal rags.
The same rag that pushes a near-nazi racist agenda itself when it suits,
and - incidentally - put huge faked photo's of German footballers wearing
nazi helmets on it's front page when *ngland were playing them at football a
few years back.
The hypocritical b*st*rds don't really give a toss that Harry is young and
stupid and has a sick sense of 'humour' - it's whatever they think will sell
a paper on the day.
A W-S
Ian Morrison
> The same rag that pushes a near-nazi racist agenda itself when it suits,
> and - incidentally - put huge faked photo's of German footballers wearing
> nazi helmets on it's front page when *ngland were playing them at football a
> few years back.
> The hypocritical b*st*rds don't really give a toss that Harry is young and
> stupid and has a sick sense of 'humour' - it's whatever they think will sell
> a paper on the day.
Hypocrisy seems to sell tabloids. Either their "readers" don't notice or
they don't care. It is exactly the same when the "Sun", or similar,
mount attacks on child abusers on page 1, while on page 3 they show
pictures of barely pubescent girls showing off their assets. The "Daily
Express" is one of the worst offenders in that regard - while the
editorials attack "declining moral standards", theier owner is pumping
out soft porn on his TV channels. Murdoch's not much better.
I caught a glimpse of the "Harry" picture on the front of one of these
disgusting rags and could have sworn that he was holding a ciggie (?).
In my view, that is a far worse message to be giving out than some party
dress nonsense.
What really worries me, though, is people using this as an opportunity
to attack "political correctness". In my experience, most of those who
attack the mythical concept of "political correctness" are themselves
usually fascist. That includes the entire BNP, BTW, and one must be
wary of siding with the likes of them.
------
Ian O.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Ian Morrison" <iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7fYFd.134219$48.1...@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Adam Whyte-Settlar wrote:
>
> > The same rag that pushes a near-nazi racist agenda itself when it suits,
> > and - incidentally - put huge faked photo's of German footballers
wearing
> > nazi helmets on it's front page when *ngland were playing them at
football a
> > few years back.
> > The hypocritical b*st*rds don't really give a toss that Harry is young
and
> > stupid and has a sick sense of 'humour' - it's whatever they think will
sell
> > a paper on the day.
>
> Hypocrisy seems to sell tabloids. Either their "readers" don't notice or
> they don't care. It is exactly the same when the "Sun", or similar,
> mount attacks on child abusers on page 1, while on page 3 they show
> pictures of barely pubescent girls showing off their assets. The "Daily
> Express" is one of the worst offenders in that regard - while the
> editorials attack "declining moral standards", theier owner is pumping
> out soft porn on his TV channels. Murdoch's not much better.
I checked it out and the front page I was referring to above showed the
German manager not players.
It was before the Euro 2000 England-Germany match, covered the entire front
page and consisted of a picture of the German manager wearing a
'Pickelhaube' helmet with the headline;
"Achtung. Surrender. For you Fritz ze World Cup is over".
Not exactly calculated to foster a benign relationship with our dear
ex-nazi, sausage-eating kraut EU partners eh?
I also remember Nicholas Ridley, one of the Mad Cow's hatchetmen and later
to become a 'back-to-basic morality' cabinet minister, comparing Helmut Kohl
to Adolf Hitler.
That was just ridiculous too - Kohl was twice Hitlers size and far too
blonde to grow a stiff 'pencil moustache', but did the Tories check the
facts?
Not a chance.
Racist little *nglanders the lot of 'em.
> I caught a glimpse of the "Harry" picture on the front of one of these
> disgusting rags and could have sworn that he was holding a ciggie (?).
> In my view, that is a far worse message to be giving out than some party
> dress nonsense.
Yes, it was a fag SFAIK.
But it's OK - it was a 'Rothmans', ie; officially by appointment to the
crown, (as proudly advertised on every packet).
> What really worries me, though, is people using this as an opportunity
> to attack "political correctness". In my experience, most of those who
> attack the mythical concept of "political correctness" are themselves
> usually fascist. That includes the entire BNP, BTW, and one must be
> wary of siding with the likes of them.
Better watch your step with me then. I've been attacking both the BNP *and*
PC for years - given the opportunity or no.
For a 'mythical concept' it's destructive power must be right up there with
'The Christmas Spirit'.
A W-S
Lesley Robertson
"Ian Morrison" <iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> schreef in bericht
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>
> What really worries me, though, is people using this as an opportunity to
> attack "political correctness". In my experience, most of those who attack
> the mythical concept of "political correctness" are themselves usually
> fascist. That includes the entire BNP, BTW, and one must be wary of
> siding with the likes of them.
>
as I stayed up to watch the Titan programme.
Lesley Robertson
Jackie Mulheron
"Alan Hardie" <axha...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> news:41e6...@clear.net.nz...
>>
>> > Perhaps I should have prefixed it: Harry commented " I found it etc..."
>>
>> And to be fair perhaps I should have read the article before now.
>>
>> What a load of bollocks about nothing. It was a *fancy dress* party FFS.
>
> It was a "colonials and natives" party. Dunno about you but I never really
> saw the Nazis as chummy colonial types.
It said nothing about being chummy on the invite.
Alan Hardie
"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
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>
> news:110565553...@nnrp-t71-03.news.uk.clara.net...
> >
> > For wearing their ensignia on his arm - because of what it represents.
> > That's what he should apologise for. And he should apologise for being a
> > total ****wit - though I concede - given his parentage he was bound to
be.
> >
> He's 20. Most males (and females for that matter) of 20 are f*ckw*ts.
I disagree. I could buy into that line of reasoning if he were 15. Not 20.
He should know better and in his position he is obliged to know better.
> Would there have been this fuss if he'd dressed up as Satan? There's a lot
> of folk around with nothing better to do than look for chances to get
> themselves a little bit of publicity by taking offence at something or
> other - like the lovely Mr Howard for a start.
Or me. It offended me and I am not courting publicty.
>And you can imagine the
> conversation at the German Embassy befor yesterday's PM "Hey Fritz, the
BBC
> wants us tobe offended - how offended are we?" Result - 20 minutes
bullying
> of a thoughtless kid who's having to face up to the fact that someone he
> thought was a friend sold that photo to one of the scandal rags.
Which is precisely why he should have known better. It's not as if he won't
have been tutored in the ways of the tabloids and of money grubbing
"friends".
>
> At the same time, the floods, destruction and missing families in the West
> Of Scotland merited a brief 30 second mention.
Fair point - but that's the EBC for you.
Alan Hardie
The Iraqi argument is irrelevent to this argument.
Lesley Robertson
"Alan Hardie" <axha...@clara.co.uk> schreef in bericht
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>
> Or me. It offended me and I am not courting publicty.
>
Lesley Robertson
Michilín
The voice of reason.
Michilín
Alan Hardie
Yes. Whilst we have a monarchy - paid for by us and representing us, the
answer is yes. Which is why there is a fuss.
The Phantom Piper
<grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
...
*/8~D
I see this whole affair as mere confirmation
of what you get when you install Germans
on the Einglisch throne!
Does no one remember their *REAL SURNAME*?
(It's "Saxe-Coburg Gotha," for those who might
not know it. You know, "Gotha" - as in the Gotha
Bombers which bombed London during WWI?)
From William of Orange (Dutch) through the
Geordies, Einglannd has always sought to
prevent the horrors of a Catholic Monarch by
running to the Teutons. Now at least, their
true colours are on display for all to see!
(Perhaps they can replace the Cross used by
the Anglican Church with a Hakenkreuz, when
Bonnie Prince Tampon ascends as its potentate.)
Playing, "Einglannd Uber Alles,"
---The Phantom Piper
Adam Whyte-Settlar
> > hypocritical UK public - the same people
> > that support the fascist and illegal invasion of Iraq .
>
> The Iraqi argument is irrelevent to this argument.
No it isn't.
I was using it to underline the hypocrisy of a people that decry 'fascist
leanings' ie: 'Harry the Nazi' (so-called), when they condone fascist
behavior in their political leaders when it suits them.
Do you think the illegal invasion, occupation and mass bombing of the
civilians of another nation (a la the nazis) is indicative of more liberal
traits when carried out by your own government.
A W-S
Greyrover
"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:
> > Or me. It offended me and I am not courting publicty.
> >
> Do you really think he's important enough to get offended about?
Are any of the royals?
Greyrover
Alan Hardie
>
> "Alan Hardie" <axha...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:110579680...@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net...
>
> > > hypocritical UK public - the same people
> > > that support the fascist and illegal invasion of Iraq .
>
> >
> > The Iraqi argument is irrelevent to this argument.
>
> No it isn't.
Yes it is. People's opinions on one of the subjects will not necessarliy be
a measure of their opinions on the other. You may as well throw in a line or
two about people's opinions on global warming or the Asian tsunami.
Lesley Robertson
attention, etc.
There's plenty of real things to get offended about.
Lesley Robertson
Lesley Robertson
"The Phantom Piper" <Gh...@Spirit.org> schreef in bericht
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> I see this whole affair as mere confirmation
> of what you get when you install Germans
> on the Einglisch throne!
>
> Does no one remember their *REAL SURNAME*?
Well not really. I can't remember what the surname of the Greek monarchy
is/was, but that's what the kids would normally carry, from Prince Philip.
Lesley Robertson
Lesley Robertson
"Greyrover" <grey...@earthlink.net> schreef in bericht
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And I refuse to get upset about the antics of an adolescent.
Lesley Robertson
Adam Whyte-Settlar
>
> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:41e9...@clear.net.nz...
> >
> > "Alan Hardie" <axha...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:110579680...@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net...
> >
> > > > hypocritical UK public - the same people
> > > > that support the fascist and illegal invasion of Iraq .
> >
> > >
> > > The Iraqi argument is irrelevent to this argument.
> >
> > No it isn't.
>
> Yes it is.
No it isn't.
And if you're not carefull I'll redirect your posts to
alt.hitting-on-the-head-lessons.
>People's opinions on one of the subjects will not necessarliy be
> a measure of their opinions on the other. You may as well throw in a line
or
> two about people's opinions on global warming or the Asian tsunami.
Tosh.
That *would* be irrelevent.
My observation that condoning fascism in one's government whilst decrying it
in the Monarchy is hypocritical is a perfectly valid point.
So there.
A W-S
Joe Makowiec
> Well not really. I can't remember what the surname of the Greek
> monarchy is/was, but that's what the kids would normally carry, from
> Prince Philip.
Von Battenburg? Erm, Mountbatten? Or maybe von Schleswig-Holstein-
Sonderburg-Glücksburg?
http://www.thepeerage.com/p10076.htm
--
Joe Makowiec
http://makowiec.org/
Email: http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe
Michilín
Oldenberg.
The family is descended from Christian of
Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg, who became Kinmg of Denmark because
his wofe was the only legal heir but a male monarch was required.
William of Denmark, third son of the newly created King of Denmark
took the name of George I of Greece. The previous monarch until he
abdicated was Otto of Wittlesbach and in between, Prince Alfred of
Edinburgh was canvassed for the job but Queen Victoria felt it was
beneath the family's dignity for a member to become King of Greece.
Later George married a young Grand Duchess from a collateral branch of
the Tsar's family, Olga Constantinova. They reigned until his
assanination in 1913 (?) and then Greece became a republic after a
short period with Olga as Regent.
Another branch of that family produced Prince Feliks Yusopov, the
richest man in Tsarist Russia, a cousin of the Tsar and the man who
murdered Rasputin.
I met him briefly at a Russian wedding in Paris in 1956. (I have
Russian relations; formerly Scottish; from pre-revolutionary days)
He was a tiny, effeminate man whom I learned later was a notorious
transvestite and who took an extreme interest in my Highland clothes,
especially my sporran - I was wearing the full black jacket, lace
jabot outfit and was later told by a Georgian princess that I looked
"spectacular".
After Yusopov had been shooed away by my Russian host - Yussopov died
in 1973; he had only been 22 or 23 when he murdered Rusputin - the
Georgian princess, who was the same age as me and had thick glasses
and terminal acne, insisted on introducing me to her numerous family,
all of whom did their best to appear thrilled at meeting me, while
eyeing my outfit dubiously and obviously wondering if I'd conned their
child into believing I was not some sort of pervert.
(Had the same problem with some Japanese once - their eyes bugging in
disbelief - probable quote: "the son of a bitch just stood there, in a
skirt, flaunting himself in front of my wife!" I remember Scottish
boys on a school trip to Leningrad in the 1950s being arrested by
Russian police as they got off the boat on charges of being
transvestites - the local consul got them released. Being Scottish is
not just an ethnicity - it's a commitment!)
I subsequently took the princess to a Red Army Chorus performance in
the Albert Hall. Nobody ever told me that most of her family had
allegedly been slaughtered by the Communists - God knows there were
plenty of them still available to stand around at the wedding,
simpering doubtfully at me - but it caused some small problems when
her family found out where their daughter had been. Later she gave me
a tie which she had made for me by hand (her family, like many
Russians in Paris then, was flat broke and this was how they survived)
which I still own. I never saw her again.
Returning to the Family Oldenberg:
The family had always demonstrated their total love of Greece, which,
combined with a complete lack of haughtiness on their part - a
characteristic shared by the popular Danish Royal family, their
cousins, decided to bring back the monarchy and decided to abolish it
again while King Constantine was on the throne. He had been a popular
king, being an Olympic gold medal winner, etc. etc.
Prince Philip is the son of Prince and Princess Andrew of Greece (like
Mr. and Mrs, in royal circles) and in fact does not have a drop of
Greek blood in him, but is part Russian (Tsar's family) and part
German (by his ggg-grandfather or whatever, the ancestor of the Danish
Royal Family. This is why when the murdered Tsar and his family's
bones were finally found buried in Ekaterinaberg, the person who
supplied the confirming DNA was Prince Philip.
In that respect, these royal families do serve a useful purpose, as do
the people of Iceland and the old House of Lords, because all are
descended from fully documented ancestors whose medical histories are
known and who provide medical science with a perfect record of
generational descent to study for inherited illnesses and other
problems, as for example, George II's porphyria, which is still
present in some Royal Family members today, and the haemophilia which
aflicted the Tsarevitch (Tsar's son) but which the Royal Family
miraculously managed to avoid because only women can pass the illness
on and none of Victoria's daughters was the mother of a British king
or queen.
Michilín
MacRobert
<grawi...@hotmail.com> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:
>
>"Alan Hardie" <axha...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:110579680...@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net...
>
>> > hypocritical UK public - the same people
>> > that support the fascist and illegal invasion of Iraq .
>
>>
>> The Iraqi argument is irrelevent to this argument.
>
>No it isn't.
>I was using it to underline the hypocrisy of a people that decry 'fascist
>leanings' ie: 'Harry the Nazi' (so-called), when they condone fascist
>behavior in their political leaders when it suits them.
Uh, Adam, the Baath party is the fascist one here.
>Do you think the illegal invasion, occupation and mass bombing of the
>civilians of another nation (a la the nazis) is indicative of more liberal
>traits when carried out by your own government.
>A W-S
Why are you so down on the Iraqis? What did they do to you?
Stephen
Greyrover
"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:
> They don't bother me, I don't bother them.
> And I refuse to get upset about the antics of an adolescent.
Nor do I these days.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"MacRobert" <F...@chance.withthis.email> wrote in message
news:004mu0hk18bi1uflv...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:41:35 +1300, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"
> <grawi...@hotmail.com> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:
>
> >
> >"Alan Hardie" <axha...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:110579680...@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net...
> >
> >> > hypocritical UK public - the same people
> >> > that support the fascist and illegal invasion of Iraq .
> >
> >>
> >> The Iraqi argument is irrelevent to this argument.
> >
> >No it isn't.
> >I was using it to underline the hypocrisy of a people that decry 'fascist
> >leanings' ie: 'Harry the Nazi' (so-called), when they condone fascist
> >behavior in their political leaders when it suits them.
>
> Uh, Adam, the Baath party is the fascist one here.
Them too.
> >Do you think the illegal invasion, occupation and mass bombing of the
> >civilians of another nation (a la the nazis) is indicative of more
liberal
> >traits when carried out by your own government.
> >A W-S
>
> Why are you so down on the Iraqis? What did they do to you?
So you (rightly IMO) condemn them for doing it but think it's fine for Bush
to do it.
Doesn't surprise me.
A W-S
Stephen Copinger
<snip>
>>> > Or me. It offended me and I am not courting publicty.
>>> >
>>> Do you really think he's important enough to get offended about?
>>
>> Yes. Whilst we have a monarchy - paid for by us and representing us, the
>> answer is yes. Which is why there is a fuss.
>>
> The fuss is being generated by a gang of folk wanting to sell papers, get
> attention, etc.
> There's plenty of real things to get offended about.
> Lesley Robertson
>
ID card proposals? A much more serious threat to civil liberty than a junior
royal dressing up for a party.
Beannachd leibh
Stephen
--
This is a personal email, which does not necessarily express the views or
position of Highland Law Practice.
Lesley Robertson
"Michilín" <mic...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:41eac8c5.20113812@news...
>
> Prince Philip is the son of Prince and Princess Andrew of Greece (like
> Mr. and Mrs, in royal circles) and in fact does not have a drop of
> Greek blood in him, but is part Russian (Tsar's family) and part
> German (by his ggg-grandfather or whatever, the ancestor of the Danish
> Royal Family. This is why when the murdered Tsar and his family's
> bones were finally found buried in Ekaterinaberg, the person who
> supplied the confirming DNA was Prince Philip.
>
an unbroken female line back to her.
Lesley Robertson
Michilín
Well, here's the Daily Telegraph story mentioning Prince Philip -
that's the closest I can get - you are of course the expert.
MacRobert
<grawi...@hotmail.com> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:
>
>"MacRobert" <F...@chance.withthis.email> wrote in message
>news:004mu0hk18bi1uflv...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:41:35 +1300, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"
>> <grawi...@hotmail.com> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:
>>
>> >
>> >"Alan Hardie" <axha...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >news:110579680...@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net...
>> >
>> >> > hypocritical UK public - the same people
>> >> > that support the fascist and illegal invasion of Iraq .
>> >
>> >>
>> >> The Iraqi argument is irrelevent to this argument.
>> >
>> >No it isn't.
>> >I was using it to underline the hypocrisy of a people that decry 'fascist
>> >leanings' ie: 'Harry the Nazi' (so-called), when they condone fascist
>> >behavior in their political leaders when it suits them.
>>
>> Uh, Adam, the Baath party is the fascist one here.
>
>Them too.
>
> > >Do you think the illegal invasion, occupation and mass bombing of the
>> >civilians of another nation (a la the nazis) is indicative of more
>liberal
>> >traits when carried out by your own government.
>> >A W-S
>>
>> Why are you so down on the Iraqis? What did they do to you?
>
>So you (rightly IMO) condemn them for doing it but think it's fine for Bush
>to do it.
I don't see how you can surmise that from what I wrote.
>Doesn't surprise me.
I'll bet if I jumped off your dresser it'd surprise you.
>A W-S
Stephen
Alan Hardie
"Stephen Copinger" <stephen....@highlandlaw.bounce.co.uk> wrote in
message news:41eb8f4d$0$2648$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net...
>
> "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
> news:mDrGd.3702$aa6...@fe61.usenetserver.com...
> <snip>
> >>> > Or me. It offended me and I am not courting publicty.
> >>> >
> >>> Do you really think he's important enough to get offended about?
> >>
> >> Yes. Whilst we have a monarchy - paid for by us and representing us,
the
> >> answer is yes. Which is why there is a fuss.
> >>
> > The fuss is being generated by a gang of folk wanting to sell papers,
get
> > attention, etc.
> > There's plenty of real things to get offended about.
> > Lesley Robertson
> >
> Quite true. Have the tabloids launched any great complaint about the
govts.
> ID card proposals? A much more serious threat to civil liberty than a
junior
> royal dressing up for a party.
True - and yet like Adam's argument - effectively an Ad Hominem argument.
Harry's idiocy stands on its own. As an act of idiocy.
Madra Dubh
"MacRobert" <F...@chance.withthis.email> wrote in message
Especially, Stephen, if he came home and caught you.................
MacRobert
<axha...@clara.co.uk> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:
I disagree. To me it epitomises a far more pernicious mindset, that
Naziism was or is something to be treated as a party joke. It is akin
to the constant use of argument that compares people to Hitler,
fascists and Nazis when to do so mocks the reality of what the Nazis
did. It also denigrates the suffering of Europeans as a result and
like children playing games, denies that this particular 'monster in
the closet' is real.
Stephen
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Madra Dubh" <cca...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:NfXGd.18183$S11.7901@bgtnsc04-..
> >
> > I'll bet if I jumped off your dresser it'd surprise you.
>
> Especially, Stephen, if he came home and caught you.................
>
through the floorboards.
A W-S
Adam Whyte-Settlar
> Adam's argument - effectively an Ad Hominem argument.
How so?
Madra Dubh
Well that certainly dashed a long cherished belief, that all those romantic
beach cottages there in your tropical paradise had sand floors along with
their thatched roofs and sides.
(And that is 32 feet per second per second)
In any event I agree that Stephen would make quite the
splat......................
Madra Dubh
I thought that was spelled "Hominy".
Me and Rick loves Hominy.
We even knows how to make it.
You see, you start with lots of wood ashes and you runs water through them
many times.
This leeches out lye.
Then................
(Well, you take it for a while, Rick)
MacRobert
<tnnurse...@hotmail.com> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:
>In article <1m9Hd.21012$S11....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Madra Dubh" <cca...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:41ec...@clear.net.nz...
>> >
>> > "Madra Dubh" <cca...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> > news:NfXGd.18183$S11.7901@bgtnsc04-..
>> >> >
>> >> > I'll bet if I jumped off your dresser it'd surprise you.
>> >>
>> >> Especially, Stephen, if he came home and caught you.................
>> >>
>> > All 200lbs descending at 32 feet per second... I'd just let him crash
>> > through the floorboards.
>>
>> Well that certainly dashed a long cherished belief, that all those romantic
>> beach cottages there in your tropical paradise had sand floors along with
>> their thatched roofs and sides.
>> (And that is 32 feet per second per second)
>
>No. That's acceleration. If the dresser was 32 feet high, then he would
>indeed be doing 32 feet per second. But as that is unlikely anywhere
>other than Jack and the Beanstalk Land, he's more likely to be doing
>about 6 feet a second (assuming 'dresser' = Welsh variety)
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Pedantically yours..
Thanks, Nurse. I really wasn't looking forward to crashing through
the floor, but for reasons less obvious than one might think. You
failed to mention the controlled decelleration provided by crushing
Adam's wiry frame and the protection from jagged splinters afforded by
the cheap canvas pallet he sleeps on between tricks, but let's not
quibble.
No, the reason I didn't want to crash through the floorboards was the
embarrassment it would cause Adam. Most homes are built with floor
joists, a subfloor and a finished floor as structural elements. Built
properly, a floor will withstand a live (or momentary load) far in
excess of my stout self jumping from a dresser. If not, the bed legs
would punch through and so would Adam each time he fell off his
stepladder! Therefore, crashing through the floorboards would expose
Adam's house as some sort of substandard beach shack, or one of those
tin & tar firetraps one sees in third world slums. Give the man some
dignity, I say!
MacRobert
Madra Dubh
"T N Nurse" <tnnurse...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tnnurseNOUCE99-500...@singer.cent.gla.ac.uk...
> In article <1m9Hd.21012$S11....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Madra Dubh" <cca...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> news:41ec...@clear.net.nz...
>> >
>> > "Madra Dubh" <cca...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> > news:NfXGd.18183$S11.7901@bgtnsc04-..
>> >> >
>> >> > I'll bet if I jumped off your dresser it'd surprise you.
>> >>
>> >> Especially, Stephen, if he came home and caught you.................
>> >>
>> > All 200lbs descending at 32 feet per second... I'd just let him crash
>> > through the floorboards.
>>
>> Well that certainly dashed a long cherished belief, that all those
>> romantic
>> beach cottages there in your tropical paradise had sand floors along with
>> their thatched roofs and sides.
>> (And that is 32 feet per second per second)
>
> indeed be doing 32 feet per second. But as that is unlikely anywhere
> other than Jack and the Beanstalk Land, he's more likely to be doing
> about 6 feet a second (assuming 'dresser' = Welsh variety)
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Pedantically yours..
Yes but you see nowhere does he state the height of the bureau above the
floor boards (though why he would have a bureau in his auto is beyond
explanation).
Further, whether he fell two feet or two hundred feet, the rate of
acceleration would remain the same.
And it would be the rate of acceleration AWS and I are discussing., not
attained speed.
We do not have enough information at this point to calculated attained
speed.
Perhaps if we took up a collection to pay passage, we might induce Stephen
to fly to NZ and jump off the infamous bureau while the stop watches clicked
away...
Smugly yours
-Conway, Free Faller
MacRobert
<cca...@worldnet.att.net> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:
You might! I would!
Stephen
Nebulous
"T N Nurse" <tnnurse...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tnnurseNOUCE99-500...@singer.cent.gla.ac.uk...
> In article <1m9Hd.21012$S11....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Madra Dubh" <cca...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > news:41ec...@clear.net.nz...
> > >
> > > "Madra Dubh" <cca...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > > news:NfXGd.18183$S11.7901@bgtnsc04-..
> > >> >
> > >> > I'll bet if I jumped off your dresser it'd surprise you.
> > >>
> > >> Especially, Stephen, if he came home and caught you.................
> > >>
> > > All 200lbs descending at 32 feet per second... I'd just let him crash
> > > through the floorboards.
> >
> > Well that certainly dashed a long cherished belief, that all those
romantic
> > beach cottages there in your tropical paradise had sand floors along
with
> > their thatched roofs and sides.
> > (And that is 32 feet per second per second)
>
> indeed be doing 32 feet per second. But as that is unlikely anywhere
> other than Jack and the Beanstalk Land, he's more likely to be doing
> about 6 feet a second (assuming 'dresser' = Welsh variety)
>
>
clothes for you in the morning variety. I was also wondering why Stephen was
jumping off rather than on.
Neb
Madra Dubh
"MacRobert" <F...@chance.withthis.email> wrote in message
Yes you would time the trip to be in NZ during their summer season thus
avoiding the frigid cold of Lookout Mountain.
Crafty fellow that you are............
(And the expression is "You mighty right I would")
<heh>
Madra Dubh
"Nebulous" <Nebu...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:41ed7ab4$0$16582$cc9e...@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
Easy enough.
He jumps off after he jumps on.............
Ian Morrison
> I was assuming his dresser was of the attractive female who puts on your
> clothes for you in the morning variety. I was also wondering why Stephen was
> jumping off rather than on.
Because he's a closet woofter?
------
Ian O.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"MacRobert" <F...@chance.withthis.email> wrote in message
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:13:46 +0000, T N Nurse
> <tnnurse...@hotmail.com> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:
>
> >In article <1m9Hd.21012$S11....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> > "Madra Dubh" <cca...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:41ec...@clear.net.nz...
> >> >
> >> > "Madra Dubh" <cca...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:NfXGd.18183$S11.7901@bgtnsc04-..
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'll bet if I jumped off your dresser it'd surprise you.
> >> >>
> >> >> Especially, Stephen, if he came home and caught you.................
> >> >>
> >> > All 200lbs descending at 32 feet per second... I'd just let him crash
> >> > through the floorboards.
> >>
> >> Well that certainly dashed a long cherished belief, that all those
romantic
> >> beach cottages there in your tropical paradise had sand floors along
with
> >> their thatched roofs and sides.
> >> (And that is 32 feet per second per second)
> >
> >No. That's acceleration. If the dresser was 32 feet high, then he would
> >indeed be doing 32 feet per second.
Yeah yeah - I know all that - couldn't be arsed sorting out my original
(scrubbed) message that included a reference to just that. It was Madra I
was replying to remember - Not me fault if someone to helped him type an
answer.
What I have never been able to ascertain exactly is the terminal velocity of
a falling human body, and at what distance from the plane you have just
hypothetically left your parachute in, would you reach said velocity?
I read of this Russian (?) pilot who fell 17,000 ft and lived (what was left
of him) and figured that once you got above a certain height it wouldn't
make any difference to your chances of surviving.
I guessed 127mph was as fast as you were likely to fall. So tell me what the
correct figure is Einstein and how far do you have to fall before it makes
no odds. For the sake of argument I'll accept an answer based on constant
atmospheric density from sea level up.
>
> Built
> properly, a floor will withstand a live (or momentary load) far in
> excess of my stout self jumping from a dresser.
Did I forget to mention the trapdoor? How remiss of me.
A W-S
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Ian Morrison" <iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:b6hHd.170950$48.1...@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
In any case, in the notorious historical incident that sparked this
long-running saga of the bureau, it was the PFD whom allegedly did the
diving, not me.
*I* was the one who got the cracked ribs.
Madra Dubh
So you say, so you say.
I for one believe it was overzealousness on your part.
Madra Dubh
Eh? Eh?
What answer?
What question, for that matter?
Is it time to go to bed yet?
MacRobert
<grawi...@hotmail.com> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:
>
>"MacRobert" <F...@chance.withthis.email> wrote in message
>news:f4hqu05ei1jukq50u...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:13:46 +0000, T N Nurse
>> <tnnurse...@hotmail.com> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:
>>
>> >In article <1m9Hd.21012$S11....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>> > "Madra Dubh" <cca...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >No. That's acceleration. If the dresser was 32 feet high, then he would
>> >indeed be doing 32 feet per second.
>
>Yeah yeah - I know all that - couldn't be arsed sorting out my original
>(scrubbed) message that included a reference to just that. It was Madra I
>was replying to remember - Not me fault if someone to helped him type an
>answer.
>What I have never been able to ascertain exactly is the terminal velocity of
>a falling human body, and at what distance from the plane you have just
>hypothetically left your parachute in, would you reach said velocity?
IIRC it is roughly 180-200 mph after which the air resistance cancels
further acceleration. In your case, if you rolled over and farted it
would momentarily be about 27 mph.
>I read of this Russian (?) pilot who fell 17,000 ft and lived (what was left
>of him) and figured that once you got above a certain height it wouldn't
>make any difference to your chances of surviving.
Odd things happen. Many moons ago when I was in jump school we were
told of a civilian woman whose chute failed to open. She hit while
still in the arched position, meaning her torso struck and was lucky
enough to hit a boggy spot. She lived. Evidently any of the limbs
would have been driven straight back into her body had they hit first.
Mind you, this was at least 28 years ago and it is likely I don't
remember anything accurately at that range...
>I guessed 127mph was as fast as you were likely to fall. So tell me what the
>correct figure is Einstein and how far do you have to fall before it makes
>no odds. For the sake of argument I'll accept an answer based on constant
>atmospheric density from sea level up.
It isn't measured in Einsteins and you can google it up. Naturally,
(all together, folks) I couldn't be _rs_d.
>
>>
>> Built
>> properly, a floor will withstand a live (or momentary load) far in
>> excess of my stout self jumping from a dresser.
>
>Did I forget to mention the trapdoor? How remiss of me.
>A W-S
Agh! Trapdooooooooooooooorrr!!
MacR
MacRobert
<cca...@worldnet.att.net> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:
Nah. He's just too cheap for a box spring. Get rid of the futon,
Adam and happy landings!
MacR
Ian Morrison
> IIRC it is roughly 180-200 mph after which the air resistance cancels
> further acceleration. In your case, if you rolled over and farted it
> would momentarily be about 27 mph.
That's the secret of surviving such a fall, is it? It sounds a bit like
jumping up and down while a lift (elevator, I believe you call them)
plummets out of control.
Returning to the original dresser question, surely the velocity attained
depends not just on gravity, but on the starting velocity. With a good
spring, that could add quite a few metres per second. I had a cat once
which specialised in leaping off the top of the bedroom door on to my
stomach in the middle of the night. I can tell you that the terminal
velocity of, say, a 3.5kg cat is considerably more than that due to
gravity alone from a descent of, say 1.5 metres, otherwise I might not
have been woken quite so rudely.
In the case of AW-S, he is fortunate that the PFD is (presumably) on the
petite side, or he might not be with us today.
------
Ian O.
Stephen Copinger
<snip>
> Returning to the original dresser question, surely the velocity attained
> depends not just on gravity, but on the starting velocity. With a good
> spring, that could add quite a few metres per second. I had a cat once
> which specialised in leaping off the top of the bedroom door on to my
> stomach in the middle of the night. I can tell you that the terminal
> velocity of, say, a 3.5kg cat is considerably more than that due to
> gravity alone from a descent of, say 1.5 metres, otherwise I might not
> have been woken quite so rudely.
>
(S=ut+1/2at^2)
In the case of descending from a sea level dresser [1], the a is your 9.8
meters per second per second.
[1] For a dresser up a sufficiently high mountain the value will be lower.
Beannachd leibh
Stephen
--
This is a personal email, which does not necessarily express the views or
position of Highland Law Practice.
MacRobert
<stephen....@highlandlaw.bounce.co.uk> paused to reflect but
wrote anyway:
>
>"Ian Morrison" <iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:DKvHd.175796$48.8...@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
><snip>
>> Returning to the original dresser question, surely the velocity attained
>> depends not just on gravity, but on the starting velocity. With a good
>> spring, that could add quite a few metres per second. I had a cat once
>> which specialised in leaping off the top of the bedroom door on to my
>> stomach in the middle of the night. I can tell you that the terminal
>> velocity of, say, a 3.5kg cat is considerably more than that due to
>> gravity alone from a descent of, say 1.5 metres, otherwise I might not
>> have been woken quite so rudely.
>>
>Flashback to Higher Physics: es equals you tea plus half a tea squared!
>(S=ut+1/2at^2)
>In the case of descending from a sea level dresser [1], the a is your 9.8
>meters per second per second.
>
>
>[1] For a dresser up a sufficiently high mountain the value will be lower.
>Beannachd leibh
>Stephen
In the town of Ajloun, Jordan, I once had a pet hedgehog who'd work
his way up to the top of a door by bracing himself between the door
and the wall and climbing. Hodge (or was it Podge?) would wait until
someone came past, then jump down onto their head. Allowing one less
metre for an upright adult compared to one recumbant, I'd say his
velocity was less important than his scratchy little paws or the
spines. If it happened today I'd guess we'd need to substitute a pint
cubed for tea squared. Naturally, it was an African hedgehog, not the
faster European, lest anyone wonder.
MacR
Madra Dubh
"MacRobert" <F...@chance.withthis.email> wrote in message
Hammock, Stephen, hammock.
That wot those South Sea Island types sleep on.
You know, with the scented breezes wafting through the palm
fronds...................
Nebulous
I once read a whole book of great escapes which was mainly about people
falling out of aircraft during WWII and living. I suppose so many people
fell out of aeroplanes during the war that some were bound to make it. One
escape I remember was of a man falling through trees. He was scratched and
torn all over, but didn't even have a broken bone. The book gave the
terminal velocity as 120 miles an hour, so you're close enough. It depends
very much what shape you make. Sky divers jump out of planes with quite a
gap between first and last, yet still manage to join up at the same height.
The later ones dive in a streamlined manner whereas the first ones spread
out to maximise resistance.
Neb
Nebulous
version was more fun.
Neb
Adam Whyte-Settlar
> > I read of this Russian (?) pilot who fell 17,000 ft and lived (what was
> left
> > of him) and figured that once you got above a certain height it wouldn't
> > make any difference to your chances of surviving.
> > I guessed 127mph was as fast as you were likely to fall. .
> I once read a whole book of great escapes which was mainly about people
> falling out of aircraft during WWII and living. I suppose so many people
> fell out of aeroplanes during the war that some were bound to make it. One
> escape I remember was of a man falling through trees. He was scratched and
> torn all over, but didn't even have a broken bone.
Found the Russian pilot story. He wasn't as badly hurt as I thought:
1. "Lieutenant I. M. Chisov of the former Soviet Union was flying his
Ilyushin 4 on a bitter cold day in January 1942, when it was attacked by 12
German Messerschmitts. Convinced that he had no chance of surviving if he
stayed with his badly battered plane, Chisov bailed out at 21,980 feet.
With the fighters still buzzing around, Chisov cleverly decided to free-fall
out of the arena. It was his plan not to open his chute until he was down
to only 1000 ft above the ground. Unfortunately, he lost consciousness en
route. As luck would have it, he crashed at the edge of a steep ravine
covered with 3 ft of snow. Hitting at about 120 mi/h, he ploughed along its
slope until he came to rest at the bottom. Chisov awoke 20 min later,
bruised and sore, but miraculously he had suffered only a concussion of the
spine and a fractured pelvis. Three and one-half months later he was back
at work as a flight instructor."
>The book gave the
> terminal velocity as 120 miles an hour, so you're close enough.
Same as my Russian guy.
But look at this! (Record height parachute jump)
" From the very edge of space itself, almost 102, 800 feet above the earth.
This drop included a free fall lasting more than an incredible 4 1/2
minutes, during which Captain Kittinger reached a falling speed of 714 miles
per hour before his parachute finally opened at 18,000 feet".(Life Magazine)
http://www.173rdairborne.com/amazingpara.htm
But I would guess that must have been before he hit the atmosphere.
Spread-eagled at around sea level, 120mph seems
to be getting the votes at present.
It depends
> very much what shape you make. Sky divers jump out of planes with quite a
> gap between first and last, yet still manage to join up at the same
height.
> The later ones dive in a streamlined manner whereas the first ones spread
> out to maximise resistance.
I got maximum points for technique and landing on my first parachute jump.
But I'm sure you will have guessed that already.
I've mentioned this before a few years ago, but I discovered that the reason
they train one to scream; "ONE THOUSAND! TWO THOUSAND!...etc.," at the top
of one's voice as one leaps from the plane is to save one the embarrassment
of screaming; "AAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!" at the top of one's voice as one
leaps from the plane.
They (the instructors) have wisely realised that the first time a human
body, against all instincts, carries out this insane action, it doesn't
actually have a choice about screaming per se - it only has a choice *what*
it screams.
A W-S
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"MacRobert" <F...@chance.withthis.email> wrote in message
It was the bomb aimers fault - nothing wrong with the bed.
Nothing wrong with (good) futons either. It's western bodies that are
springless and saggy.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
It was.
(The true story of ) my Bidie-in leaping on me in bed one morning and
cracking two of my lower ribs was no fun at all.
A W-S
Alan Hardie
>
> What I have never been able to ascertain exactly is the terminal velocity
of
> a falling human body, and at what distance from the plane you have just
> hypothetically left your parachute in, would you reach said velocity?
> I read of this Russian (?) pilot who fell 17,000 ft and lived (what was
left
> of him) and figured that once you got above a certain height it wouldn't
> make any difference to your chances of surviving.
There's a well know case of a British rear-gunner who, when his plane
started to go down - turned round to find that his parachute hadn't been
packed. Took the decision to jump rather than burn and fell something like
20,000 ft. Passed out before he hit the ground and survived with minor
bruising. I know this coz his grandson was on the telly a few weeks back to
recount the story.
Michilín
As I recollect, once the Germans realized who he was (an Allied airman
without any trace of a parachute whose fall was broken by fir trees)
they gave him a signed affidavit testifying to his incredible escape.
When I was learning to fly (biplane, Tiger Moth DH109) we were told
that if we were crashlanding, to do so on top of a wood as the soft
fir/spruce/whatever tree tops would absorb all the shock. (This was in
Perthshire; specifically Scone.) A week or two later someone did just
that and said it was like falling on a bed.
I don't know if it would work with deciduous trees.
Michilín
Michilín
Poor girl - I bet she never heard the end of what was obviously a
romantic impulse (bad taste is sometimes almost incomprehensible)
I imagine your language must have blistered paint.
Michilín
Nebulous
Are you a fan of Pulp Fiction? The bit where Bruce Willis tells his bidie-in
he has broken a rib must strike a chord with you.
Neb
Jackie Mulheron
>
> "Alan Hardie" <axha...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:110579680...@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net...
>
>> > hypocritical UK public - the same people
>> > that support the fascist and illegal invasion of Iraq .
>
>>
>> The Iraqi argument is irrelevent to this argument.
>
> No it isn't.
> I was using it to underline the hypocrisy of a people that decry 'fascist
> leanings' ie: 'Harry the Nazi' (so-called), when they condone fascist
> behavior in their political leaders when it suits them.
Your quite right. The comfortable middle class are the biggest hypocrites
around. That or their heads up their pseudo-arses.
> Do you think the illegal invasion, occupation and mass bombing of the
> civilians of another nation (a la the nazis) is indicative of more liberal
> traits when carried out by your own government.
As long as the Chardonnay keeps running they don't really care. Vote Labour
and delude yourself it's socially just.
Jackie Mulheron
>>
>> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:41e9...@clear.net.nz...
>> >
>> > "Alan Hardie" <axha...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > news:110579680...@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net...
>> >
>> > > > hypocritical UK public - the same people
>> > > > that support the fascist and illegal invasion of Iraq .
>> >
>> > >
>> > > The Iraqi argument is irrelevent to this argument.
>> >
>> > No it isn't.
>>
>
> No it isn't.
> And if you're not carefull I'll redirect your posts to
> alt.hitting-on-the-head-lessons.
>
>>People's opinions on one of the subjects will not necessarliy be
>> a measure of their opinions on the other. You may as well throw in a line
> or
>> two about people's opinions on global warming or the Asian tsunami.
>
> Tosh.
> That *would* be irrelevent.
> My observation that condoning fascism in one's government whilst decrying
> it
> in the Monarchy is hypocritical is a perfectly valid point.
> So there.
Yes, but the Monarchy don't give them the breaks to buy their Chardonnay so
they're fair game.