Its Not Pronounced, Boss-castle!!!
VOR
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VOR
KevinMCM
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> In article <VD9CzHDT...@finhall.demon.co.uk>, VOR
> <Voice-o...@finhall.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>> Its Boss-cab-all....
>
>
> Why?
Its the way the Cornish tell'em..
Multi-story car parking, flash flood style
http://images.scotsman.com/2004/08/18/1808cra.jpg
Kevin.
VOR
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>In article <VD9CzHDT...@finhall.demon.co.uk>, VOR
><Voice-o...@finhall.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>>Its Boss-cab-all....
>
>Why?
Because that's the way I was taught to pronounce it.
>
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VOR
Sally
so what is the word correctly spelled?
I was taught that the surname Campbell is pronouned 'camel' Sinclair
= Sinkler
Except I was taught to pronounce it Sin clare. Different strokes for
different folks -
Ian Morrison
> so what is the word correctly spelled?
Boscastle. I had no idea it was pronounced any differently from how it
is spelt, but I didn't spend long there on my one and only visit, in
April 1973. I do remember how pretty it was. My only photograph of the
place is of a rather attractive rock near the harbour, which I trust is
still extant, even if the harbour isn't -
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bosc5.jpg
>
> I was taught that the surname Campbell is pronouned 'camel' Sinclair
> = Sinkler
> Except I was taught to pronounce it Sin clare. Different strokes for
> different folks -
I've never heard Campbell pronounced any differently from "CAM-bell".
"Sinclair" can be pronounced in numerous different ways depending on
one's level of pretension. In Scotland it is usually "Sinkler", in my
experience, though the other one is sometimes used.
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Ian O.
Michilín
"CAM-bell" and Sinkler are how every Scot I know says them. Boscastle
I've never even heard of, let along been to.
Michilín
Ian Morrison
> "CAM-bell" and Sinkler are how every Scot I know says them. Boscastle
> I've never even heard of, let along been to.
A lot of people have heard of it now! Previously it was best known, in
geological circles at least, for its refolded isoclines, such as those
in my photograph. IIRC, the products of the Hercynian Orogeny, like the
famous zig-zag folds at nearby Millook Haven.
There has been an alarming amount of water falling on the British Isles
this last week or so. Last Thursday there was the mudslide which closed
a 30 mile stretch of the A9 north of Dunkeld. On Monday, the flash flood
at Boscastle. Today, many motorists trapped between two landslides near
Loch Earn.
To add to the terrors of Mother Nature, in the "Guardian" today there is
a report of 5 tonne chunks of rock being broken off the top of 20 metre
or more high cliffs on the west side of the British Isles and hurled
inland up to 50 metres by giant waves. Apparently this has been
happening since at least 1755, so we can't blame the US government this
time.
There was a warning not to picnic close to cliff edges in violent
storms, because these WMD can come flying at you at speeds in excess of
5 metres per second. I am not aware of any Campbells or Sinclairs being
crushed thusly, however.
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Ian O.
VOR
<esd...@worldnet.att.net> writes
>VOR <Voice-o...@finhall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:<MAj0TUEr...@finhall.demon.co.uk>...
>> In message <NCuWQqOa...@indaal.demon.co.uk>, Malcolm
>> <Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> writes
>> >
>> >In article <VD9CzHDT...@finhall.demon.co.uk>, VOR
>> ><Voice-o...@finhall.demon.co.uk> writes
>> >
>> >>Its Boss-cab-all....
>> >
>> >Why?
>>
>> Because that's the way I was taught to pronounce it.
>> >
>
>so what is the word correctly spelled?
Boscastle... It looks weirder every time I look...
>
>
>I was taught that the surname Campbell is pronouned 'camel' Sinclair
>= Sinkler
>Except I was taught to pronounce it Sin clare. Different strokes for
>different folks -
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VOR
VOR
>> In message <NCuWQqOa...@indaal.demon.co.uk>, Malcolm
>> <Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> writes
>> >
>> >In article <VD9CzHDT...@finhall.demon.co.uk>, VOR
>> ><Voice-o...@finhall.demon.co.uk> writes
>> >
>> >>Its Boss-cab-all....
>> >
>> >Why?
>>
>> Because that's the way I was taught to pronounce it.
>> >
>
>so what is the word correctly spelled?
>
>I was taught that the surname Campbell is pronouned 'camel' Sinclair
>= Sinkler
>Except I was taught to pronounce it Sin clare. Different strokes for
>different folks -
Of course... I could be wrong and my Boscobel could be safe and sound in
Shropshire where I left it...
Pop! There goes the last brain cell!
In future I will just sit here...
--
VOR
Cory Bhreckan
>
> Michilín wrote:
>
> > "CAM-bell" and Sinkler are how every Scot I know says them. Boscastle
> > I've never even heard of, let along been to.
>
> A lot of people have heard of it now! Previously it was best known, in
> geological circles at least, for its refolded isoclines, such as those
> in my photograph. IIRC, the products of the Hercynian Orogeny, like the
> famous zig-zag folds at nearby Millook Haven.
It's been a while since I've seen a reference to orogeny mountain
building events (or isoclines/anticlines/geosynclines etc...). Did you
make the leap to plate tectonics and the "new" geology in the '70s? My
knowledge of geology is limited to the writings of John McPhee (Basin
and Range, Supect Terrain, Assembling California Annals of the Former
World etc...) and a few reference books but I am quite interested in the
field.
Michilín
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>In article <b8bcd929.04081...@posting.google.com>, Sally
><esd...@worldnet.att.net> writes
>>VOR <Voice-o...@finhall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:<MAj0TUEr...@finhall.demon.co.uk>...
>>> In message <NCuWQqOa...@indaal.demon.co.uk>, Malcolm
>>> <Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> writes
>>> >
>>> >In article <VD9CzHDT...@finhall.demon.co.uk>, VOR
>>> ><Voice-o...@finhall.demon.co.uk> writes
>>> >
>>> >>Its Boss-cab-all....
>>> >
>>> >Why?
>>>
>>> Because that's the way I was taught to pronounce it.
>>> >
>>
>>so what is the word correctly spelled?
>>
>>I was taught that the surname Campbell is pronouned 'camel' Sinclair
>>= Sinkler
>
>Then you were taught wrong, or taught in some foreign country. There are
>a great many Campbells where I live and without exception they pronounce
>their names Camble, like gamble.
>
>>Except I was taught to pronounce it Sin clare. Different strokes for
>>different folks -
>
>Sinclair is, sometimes, Sinkler, but the ones I know prefer Sin-clare.
>
>--
>Malcolm
Sinkler is very much the Highland pronunciation. Sin-Claire I would
associate with Canada (Pierre Trudeau's wife Margaret was a Sinclair.
Camble pretty much mimics the Gaelic pronunciation of Cam Beul
(Twisted Mouth). Cameron - Cam Sron (Twisted Nose)
Michilín
Séimí mac Liam
$a8.1...@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:
> http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bosc5.jpg
>I've never heard Campbell pronounced any differently from "CAM-bell".
I knew some folks in the 50's named Campbell. They pronounced it camel.
Another family domn the street from them a mile or so, spelled the same
way, pronounced cam bell. I've never heard the 'p' pronounced as part of
the name.
--
Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99
Séimí mac Liam
What would Dameron mean and has anyone ever seen it in Scotland
Michilín
Never. It sems to be English and occasionally German as Dammeron,
although it doesn't sound German or Austrian to my ear.
Here's a Campbell + Dameron link.
http://www.wintektx.com/freeman/tree/dat49.htm
Damweron - Damron family genealogy
http://www.mindspring.com/~ccchaney/ddfa/ddfa.html
Merone is a place in Lombardy and Damerone is Italian for "from
Merone". (I think I'm being influenced slightly by the name of the
Foreign Legion's most famous battle, Camerone in Mexico in 1864, whose
hero was Capitaine Danjou. The name sounds vaguely familar because of
all the other names which sound a little bit like it.
Michilín
Elaine Goldberg
Malcolm wrote:
>Then you were taught wrong, or taught in
> some foreign country. There are a great
> many Campbells where I live and
> without exception they pronounce their
> names Camble, like gamble.
My mother always pronounced Campbell like the word "camel". I don't
know if it was because that was the way she was taught, or if it was
just 'sloppy' ....but I suspect the former.
Speaking of words.....my favourite Scrabble® site is back online. I'm
not the only SCS poster who is participating.
Here's the link if some of you would like to join the fun:
http://www.braunston.com/kevin/scrabble/wsc.html
"Moonie"
Elaine Goldberg
Ian O wrote:
>There has been an alarming amount of
> water falling on the British Isles this last
> week or so.
It's been raining steadily all afternoon and evening, and flash flood
'warnings' and 'watches' have been issued for nearly every county in
Colorado. I'm not complaining, as it's a welcome relief after 3 or 4
years of severe drought conditions.
>Today, many motorists trapped between
> two landslides near Loch Earn.
I'm not expecting it to be that drastic here, but we usually have a lot
of 'lesser' rock slides in the canyon following weather like this.
Elaine
Séimí mac Liam
Damron is the actual spelling of the person's name and the last link
was helpful, thanks.
Ian Morrison
> Of course... I could be wrong and my Boscobel could be safe and sound in
> Shropshire where I left it...
I noticed, in a newspaper report of the damage at Boscastle, that the
museum of witchcraft survived unscathed but a nearby Christian bookshop
(or something like that) was completely destroyed. The Lord (if there
was one) moves in very mysterious ways....
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Ian O.
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Lesley Robertson
"Ian Morrison" <iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> schreef in bericht
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> "VOR" <Voice-o...@finhall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > Of course... I could be wrong and my Boscobel could be safe and sound in
> > Shropshire where I left it...
>
> I noticed, in a newspaper report of the damage at Boscastle, that the
> museum of witchcraft survived unscathed but a nearby Christian bookshop
> (or something like that) was completely destroyed. The Lord (if there
> was one) moves in very mysterious ways....
>
bewailing his losses all over the airwaves.... Apparently he had a large
number of knotted ropes - kept in buildings, usually in the thatch, to ward
off bad luck...
Lesley Robertson
Ian Morrison
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> Especially as he forgot to tell the witchcraft curator who has been
> bewailing his losses all over the airwaves.... Apparently he had a large
> number of knotted ropes - kept in buildings, usually in the thatch, to ward
> off bad luck...
Oh well, so much for the effectiveness of witchcraft. D*mn! Just as I
was thinking it might be worth a try.....
Mind you, I would have had to get rid of the rowan tree by my front
door, so its probably for the best.
Lesley Robertson
> "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
> news:gNZUc.822$Oa6...@fe39.usenetserver.com
>
> > Especially as he forgot to tell the witchcraft curator who has been
> > bewailing his losses all over the airwaves.... Apparently he had a large
> > number of knotted ropes - kept in buildings, usually in the thatch, to
ward
> > off bad luck...
>
> Oh well, so much for the effectiveness of witchcraft. D*mn! Just as I
> was thinking it might be worth a try.....
>
> Mind you, I would have had to get rid of the rowan tree by my front
> door, so its probably for the best.
>
Ubkess you're trying to hold thatch dowm, I suppose...
Lesley Robertson
S Viemeister
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> "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
> news:gNZUc.822$Oa6...@fe39.usenetserver.com
>
> > Especially as he forgot to tell the witchcraft curator who has been
> > bewailing his losses all over the airwaves.... Apparently he had a large
> > number of knotted ropes - kept in buildings, usually in the thatch, to ward
> > off bad luck...
>
> Oh well, so much for the effectiveness of witchcraft. D*mn! Just as I
> was thinking it might be worth a try.....
>
> Mind you, I would have had to get rid of the rowan tree by my front
> door, so its probably for the best.
>
Sheila
Ian Morrison
news:41249C3A...@which.net
> Getting rid of the rowan could anger the good fairies.........
Yes, but if I became a witch I wouldn't be able to get into my own
house! It has done a good job of keeping witches at bay since I planted
it in 2000 as part of a double celebration.
S Viemeister
>
> "S Viemeister" <firstname...@which.net> wrote in message
> news:41249C3A...@which.net
>
> > Getting rid of the rowan could anger the good fairies.........
>
> Yes, but if I became a witch I wouldn't be able to get into my own
> house!
>
witch?
Sheila
Sally
Thank you Ian - The rock is a nice place - especially to climb - or so
it looks.
The variance in pronouncing Campbell as Camel - people like my mother
from the Valley of Virginia.
Sally
Probably not, the ones I know of have long since 'gone to their maker' <G>
Michilín
wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:37:15 +0100, I read these words from Malcolm
><Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> :
>
>>
>>In article <7327cc583d48d19955...@mygate.mailgate.org>,
>>Ian Morrison <iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>>"VOR" <Voice-o...@finhall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:OfJE0+DC...@finhall.demon.co.uk
>>>
>>>> Of course... I could be wrong and my Boscobel could be safe and sound in
>>>> Shropshire where I left it...
>>>
>>>I noticed, in a newspaper report of the damage at Boscastle, that the
>>>museum of witchcraft survived unscathed but a nearby Christian bookshop
>>>(or something like that) was completely destroyed. The Lord (if there
>>>was one) moves in very mysterious ways....
>>>
>>Hmm, I think the newspaper may have been economical with the truth just
>>to make (up) a good story.
>
>In view of the subject now under discussion,
>shouldn't that read, "ecumenical with the truth" ?
>
>-- The Despicable Stewart
>-- Perfidious Alban
>-- http://www.ian-stewart.dsl.pipex.com/
Sometimes you excell yourself.
This is one of these occasions.
10/10!
Michilín
Michilín
Given some of his recent posts he may want to be just a wee bit wicked
occasionally and doesn't fancy sleeping in the car - or on top of the
broom......
Michilín
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Michilín" <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:41259655.1453700@news...
You might be interested to know that the legend of the witches broomstick
derives from the medieval holistic healers practise of using smoothly
rounded sticks in order to administer medicinal supositaries.
As you know, I strongly believe the members of scs should be well and timely
informed of
such matters.
You might also be keen to benefit from my unbounded knowledge regarding all
things arborologic arboral arborialol... Oh **** it!... - about trees.
The Rowan's roots (yuk yuk) go waaay back.
It is also known as the Mountain Ash in *nglandshire but to know all's like
myself it is Sorbus aucuparia and is a member of the rose family and is also
a cousin to the magnolias.
I know a little bit about them because I had the misfortune to employ a
superstitious rural Highland yokel as one of my merry band of tree surgeons.
He was excellent in almost all respects but his one major failing was that
he absolutely refused to cut down any rowan trees on religious grounds - he
was a primitive heathen you see. This meant that I would have to travel out
to various contracts simply to cut down one tree myself. I hated doing it
too but I worshipped the God of profit at the time and had no real choice in
the matter. I was therefore prompted to ascertain the root (yuo yuo) of his
costly paranoi.
Anyway - the tree developed significance in many European countries. In
ancient Greece it was believed to have been created from drops of blood
spilt from a magical chalice. The chalice had been stolen from Hebe (Goddess
of youth) by some low-life demons or some such and some cool good-guy eagles
where hot on their tails when the spillages occurred. This is why the leaves
look like eagles wings and the berries look like drops of blood.
Pay attention - this is all true.
The Vikings were also pretty big on Rowans to say the least. According to
them *the first woman* was made from a Rowan tree and she promptly saved
Thors life by bending over.
No no! - not like that - she bent over a fast flowing river (might have been
the Styx, not sure about that ) and Thor grabbed onto her and was saved from
being swept away and drownded.
The first man was made from an Ash tree by the way (Fraxinus excelsior to us
know alls).
As mentioned - in Britain the Rowan is supposed to protect against witches
and all less than enchanting spells.
Some people say that this derived from the five pointed star on each berry
opposite the stalk (if you've read any Dennis Wheatley you will know that
the pentagram is a protective symbol of course).
There is an old rhyme that goes;
'Rowan tree and red thread
make the witches tine their speed'
Also, the white flowers (like those of other magic trees like hawthorn and
elder) are held to support it's claim to being a Fairy tree.
The main use of the tree was, and still is, to protect a house from witches
and spells merely by its presence in the garden in front of the door. Twice
in my life I have planted a rowan in front of the door of a house I was
renting. I was quite shocked to discover that there were none in the garden
when I moved in.
Also, one can carry a twig if one feels one is especially vulnerable to
enchantment on any particular day. Another use was to protect milking cows
( a favourite target of wicked witches) by the judicious placement of a few
sprigs and branches.
I've also heard that crosses made from rowan twigs tied with red cotton are
carried on May Day eve for similar reasons though I've never actually seen
this.
One of the very few Garlic words I know is 'caorunn' which means Sorbus
aucuparia in Latin and there is a mountain near my auld hame which goes by
the name of Beinn Chaorunn and fairly close by there is a Loch a'chaorun.
The tree is on the clan badge of the Maclachlans (sp?) too.
The taboo against cutting them down seems to be strongest in the Highlands
where any excuse to avoid a bit of honest toil will do. In *ngland there is
a similar taboo against cutting down or - especially - burning the
elderflower tree (Sambucus nigra).
Most romanticists who have never visited the Hebrides will fondly imagine
gnarled auld wifies sitting over wooden spinning wheels all day long. Well
the wheels you imagine will properly be constructed of rowan wood. It is a
hard close grained wood and is used for the handles of tools and suchlike.
Polishes up lovely so it does.
The charlatans that make a living diving for water also use rowan twigs -
what else?
The berries are used to make the well known jelly which tastes disgusting
but is sold to gullible *nglish tourists by avaricious Invernesian
shopkeepers for obscene prices.
The very best use that the rowan is put to is, of course, to make a potent
alcoholic drink. This is often called 'wine' but can be made up to70% proof
in strength and to my mind this is the *real* reason that there is such a
taboo against damaging or felling this most beautifull of Scottish trees.
I think that's all I know for the moment.
A W-S
ejaycee
> Sally wrote:
>
> > so what is the word correctly spelled?
>
> Boscastle. I had no idea it was pronounced any differently from how
it
> is spelt, but I didn't spend long there on my one and only visit, in
> April 1973. I do remember how pretty it was.
Last time I was there[ which was some years ago] it was pronounced
Bow - cassle
It was indeed a beautiful spot even though it was raining that day.
I had been previously when it was a lesser known spot and that was a
glorious day without many tourists and the village shown to perfection
I grieve for the folks who live there and have had their livlihood and
wonderful village
destroyed and hope it is not too long before they regain their way of
life.
Ejay