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Murdo

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Dec 1, 2002, 9:33:43 PM12/1/02
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Here is a fascinating three-part series about the Morrisons of the
Outer Hebrides, written by Andrew Morrison, now Viscount Dunrossil
following the death of his father in 2000. Viscount Dunrossil senior
was the man who used to bring books to Nelson Mandela when he was a
prisoner on Robben Island, South Africa. He later negotiated the
release of James Cross, a British Trade Commissioner kidnapped by the
FLQ in Quebec in 1970 and threatened with execution.

http://www.tartans.com/articles/morrisonabio.html

Dunrossil has also written an interesting think-piece on Celtic
spirituality and the gift of second sight which can be accessed from
the link above.

The Morrison piece will be of interest not only to eponymous readers,
but also to people called Cian or MacCian (Caine) and Gilmore or
Gilmour (follower of Mary). Other Morrison connections include the
surnames Harris, Lewis, Smith, Black, MacAllister, Mackinnon,
MacVurich and Harper.

As Dunrossil points out, the Morrisons were not famous for being
soldiers, apart from Marion Morrison (better known as John Wayne) but
there are attractions to being a Morrison, to quote the 19th century
Gaelic scholar and collector, Alexander Carmichael:

"The Morrisons have been celebrated throughout the ages for their wit,
poetry, music, philosophy, medicine and science, for their
independence of mind and sobriety of judgement"

Lawyers, doctors, priests and ministers, poets and songwriters,
educators and blacksmiths. These are the Morrison skills, but the most
famous of all was their position in Gaelic society as traditional
Celtic judges, or brieves.

Of course not all Morrisons belong to the Outer Hebridean Morrisons.
Indeed there is evidence that the Outer Hebridean Morrisons started in
Raasay, the island between Skye and the Morthir (mainland) and moved
westwards later. There are families of Morrisons who claim decsent
from a Norman Maurice, as well as a Mull group of bards called
O'Muirgheasain. (O'Murison). And I believe that Ian Morrison of scs
fame has said that he now believes his family to have connections with
the Breadalbane family, if memory serves, making him a Campbell.

Again, if memory serves, the Breadalbane family which once owned more
of Scotland than any other family, fell on hard times and the last
Marquess, aka as Jock Campbell, worked as a lab assistant I believe,
in Hammersmith London, but he may be retired or even dead by now as
that was many years ago.

The Outer Hebridean Morrisons finally fell out with their patrons in
North Uist and some fled to the Mackay country in Sutherland, where
they were sheltered by the Mackay chief and whose descendants today
are no doubt weel acquent with our own Sheila Viemeister, Learned Lady
of the Mackays!


Ian Morrison

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Dec 2, 2002, 9:14:26 AM12/2/02
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"Murdo" <mu...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> The Morrison piece will be of interest not only to eponymous readers,
> but also to people called Cian or MacCian (Caine) and Gilmore or
> Gilmour (follower of Mary). Other Morrison connections include the
> surnames Harris, Lewis, Smith, Black, MacAllister, Mackinnon,
> MacVurich and Harper.

That covers just about everyone then.....

> "The Morrisons have been celebrated throughout the ages for their wit,
> poetry, music, philosophy, medicine and science, for their
> independence of mind and sobriety of judgement"

The only alleged trait I might quiblle with, as far as I am concerned,
is "sobriety".

>
> Lawyers, doctors, priests and ministers, poets and songwriters,
> educators and blacksmiths. These are the Morrison skills, but the most
> famous of all was their position in Gaelic society as traditional
> Celtic judges, or brieves.
>
> Of course not all Morrisons belong to the Outer Hebridean Morrisons.
> Indeed there is evidence that the Outer Hebridean Morrisons started in
> Raasay, the island between Skye and the Morthir (mainland) and moved
> westwards later.

I just read today that, under new European rules, Skye might be
re-designated part of the mainland, as it is less than one kilometre
offshore. Presumably the same would then apply to Raasay.

> There are families of Morrisons who claim decsent
> from a Norman Maurice, as well as a Mull group of bards called
> O'Muirgheasain. (O'Murison). And I believe that Ian Morrison of scs
> fame has said that he now believes his family to have connections with
> the Breadalbane family, if memory serves, making him a Campbell.

Well, not exactly. My most distant Morrison ancestor, so far traced, was
my great-great-grandfather, Duncan Morrison, born in Campsie in 1787. He
was a "master tailor", an occupation which I do not see in your list of
suitable ones for Morrisons. Perhaps he was one of the Jewish ones? His
descendants mostly worked in the calico printing industry, though one of
my great-uncles seems to have been a "marine engineer" in 1891 -
seemingly a strange occupation for one living so far inland. Perhaps he
was employed in the shipyards of nearby Kirkintilloch (I kid you not!),
where many Clyde puffers were built. I also have some other families in
my ancestry. From the Campsie area we have the names Dow (Duncan's wife)
and Kincaid (my great-grandmother). My forefathers tended to breed late
and die young, hence the fact that just four generations back takes me
to the 1780s. My great-grandfather Morrison was a clerk at the local
works in Lennoxtown, my grandfather was a bank agent, latterly in
Inverness, and my father was a research chemist and lecturer, latterly
in Dundee.

From my mother's side, I do have McCallum ancestors, from Kintyre, and
possibly Jura, some of whom may have taken part in the Massacre of
Glencoe, but probably only because they were Campbell tenants.

<snip>

------
Ian O.


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S Viemeister

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Dec 2, 2002, 9:26:39 AM12/2/02
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Murdo <mu...@shaw.ca> wrote
>
> Again, if memory serves, the Breadalbane family which once owned more
> of Scotland than any other family,
>
More than the Leveson-Gowers?

> The Outer Hebridean Morrisons finally fell out with their patrons in
> North Uist and some fled to the Mackay country in Sutherland, where
> they were sheltered by the Mackay chief and whose descendants today
> are no doubt weel acquent with our own Sheila Viemeister, Learned Lady
> of the Mackays!
>

Yes, there are still a number of Morrisons in Mackay country. I think
I've even spotted a few in my family tree.

Sheila

MacRobert

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Dec 2, 2002, 12:23:56 PM12/2/02
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On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:14:26 +0000 (UTC), "Ian Morrison"
<iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:


>Well, not exactly. My most distant Morrison ancestor, so far traced, was
>my great-great-grandfather, Duncan Morrison, born in Campsie in 1787. He
>was a "master tailor", an occupation which I do not see in your list of
>suitable ones for Morrisons. Perhaps he was one of the Jewish ones? His
>descendants mostly worked in the calico printing industry, though one of
>my great-uncles seems to have been a "marine engineer" in 1891 -
>seemingly a strange occupation for one living so far inland. Perhaps he
>was employed in the shipyards of nearby Kirkintilloch (I kid you not!),
>where many Clyde puffers were built.

Was there ever a whisky called 'Duggan's Dew of Kirkintilloch'? If
not, and your name is NOT Helen Ramsay, can you tell me where I heard
of this legendary drink? And no Googling; it takes all the fun out of
trivia.

Stephen

James Silverton

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Dec 2, 2002, 1:42:50 PM12/2/02
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"MacRobert" <.45inthe@pricot.man> wrote in message
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Good Lord! How on earth did they launch anything larger than a toy sailboat
at Kirkintilloch? Come to think of it, there *was* a canal. Is that what
they used?

I think saw some Duggan's Dew (not "of Kirkintilloch") a week or so ago in a
liquor store. Does it actually come from Kirkintilloch? The town was dry
when I knew it!


--
James V. Silverton
Potomac, Maryland, USA

Ian Morrison

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"James Silverton" <jim.si...@erols.com> wrote in message
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> Good Lord! How on earth did they launch anything larger than a toy sailboat
> at Kirkintilloch? Come to think of it, there *was* a canal. Is that what
> they used?

There *is* a canal - the recently reopened Forth and Clyde (part of the
"Millennium Link"). I think it is the "Forth & Clyde Canalbum", by the
ubiquitous Guthrie Hutton, that includes a picture of a puffer launch
into the canal at Kirkintilloch. The Forth & Clyde Canal is relatively
wide and deep. It was designed for reasonable sized ships. I am now keen
to confirm that my great-uncle was a marine engineer at Kirkintilloch.
That would make him just about my most interesting relative, apart from
Great Aunt Jenny, the Dunfermline suffragette.

>
> I think saw some Duggan's Dew (not "of Kirkintilloch") a week or so ago in a
> liquor store. Does it actually come from Kirkintilloch? The town was dry
> when I knew it!

I've never heard of it. A town could be dry yet still have spiritous
liquor manufactories. Speaking of spiritous liquor, I note that the
French are building a new distillery somewhere unlikely in Scotland
(possibly West Lothian), so that they can claim their "Glen Turner"
brand as genuine Scotch.

MacRobert

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On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:03:39 +0000 (UTC), "Ian Morrison"

<iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:

>"James Silverton" <jim.si...@erols.com> wrote in message

Is there no end to French perfidy! Next they'll be wearing kilts...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1900917920

MacRobert

S Viemeister

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Dec 2, 2002, 5:44:23 PM12/2/02
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James Silverton wrote:
>
> I think saw some Duggan's Dew (not "of Kirkintilloch") a week or so ago in a
> liquor store. Does it actually come from Kirkintilloch? The town was dry
> when I knew it!
>
The late, great Geordie Hamilton wrote a song about the dryness of
Kirkintilloch.

Sheila

ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:14:26 +0000 (UTC), I read these words from "Ian
Morrison" <iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> :

<snip>


>
>From my mother's side, I do have McCallum ancestors,

>some of whom may have taken part in the Massacre of Glencoe.....

I *knew* there had to be a reason that I disliked you !!!!!!

-- The Despicable Stewart PPP
(With the MacDonald Grandmother !)
-- Perfidious Alban
-- http://scs-informer.batcave.net/

MacRobert

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On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:25:25 GMT, rus...@concentric.net (MacHamish)

paused to reflect but wrote anyway:

>On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:21:40 -0500, MacRobert <.45inthe@pricot.man> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:03:39 +0000 (UTC), "Ian Morrison"
>><iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:

>>>I've never heard of it. A town could be dry yet still have spiritous


>>>liquor manufactories. Speaking of spiritous liquor, I note that the
>>>French are building a new distillery somewhere unlikely in Scotland
>>>(possibly West Lothian), so that they can claim their "Glen Turner"
>>>brand as genuine Scotch.
>>>
>>>------
>>>Ian O.
>>
>>Is there no end to French perfidy! Next they'll be wearing kilts...
>

>Does the word "Chatelherault" ring any bells, Monsieur Hamilton?
>
>MacHamish Mór


No, sorry. Is it something done up North?

MacR

Turlough

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MacHamish wrote:

> Better check your family tree. There's more than just monkeys up
> there. You might be a Duke, and I don't mean *of Hazzard*.

Hmmm. I thought *Chatelherault* was French for pawnbroker...

Sally

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Dec 2, 2002, 11:29:43 PM12/2/02
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she...@viemeister.com (S Viemeister) wrote in message news:<61f77172.02120...@posting.google.com>...

(watch me put my foot in this one) Campbell of Breadalbane was
originally of Glenrochy(yes/no) The Sinclair's of Caithness got
themselves into monetary difficulty and the note was held by Campbell
of Glenorchy. Who proceeded to take over and style themselves as Earl
Sinclair of Caithness. Took a while but the Sinclair's got it all
back and Campbell became of Breadalbane. Seems to me that particular
branch holds a nice piece of clan lands on the north west corner of
Scotland. Sal

ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:03:39 +0000 (UTC), I read these words from "Ian
Morrison" <iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> :

>"James Silverton" <jim.si...@erols.com> wrote in message
>news:asg9ja$mr0$1...@bob.news.rcn.net
>
>>

>> I think saw some Duggan's Dew (not "of Kirkintilloch") a week or so ago in a
>> liquor store. Does it actually come from Kirkintilloch? The town was dry
>> when I knew it!
>
>I've never heard of it. A town could be dry yet still have spiritous
>liquor manufactories.

Most notably..Lynchburg, Tennessee, the home of Jack Daniels.

-- The Despicable Stewart PPP

ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 20:37:19 -0500, I read these words from Turlough
<turlo...@excite.com> :

Much as the thought of having you as a neighbour dismays me.....
(This place is about 2 miles away !)

"Chatelherault Country Park
"
"A country park extending over 200 Ha (494 acres) 2 miles (3 km)
southwest of Hamilton in South Lanarkshire, Chatelherault was formerly
part of the estate of the Duke of Hamilton surrounding Hamilton
Palace. The palace was demolished but Chatelherault Hunting Lodge,
built for the 5th Duke of Hamilton, and an Iron Age fort survive. Also
within the park are a deep gorge of the Avon Water overlooked by 13th
Century Cadzow Castle, oak trees dating from the 15th Century and a
rare breed of white cattle bred by the Dukes of Hamilton and perhaps
descended from the ancient wild cattle of Scotland.

More at :
http://makeashorterlink.com/?S1F7233A2

MacRobert

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On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 09:13:02 GMT, ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk paused

to reflect but wrote anyway:

>On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 20:37:19 -0500, I read these words from Turlough

All this comes as a great relief, because I thought MacHamish was
describing how to use that mini-kilt thing on Ebay and as a local
pillar of the community you may be sure I didn't want to either miss
out or be caught out... Yes it is true that Hamilton is historically
a name derived from the "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" (as I think
Graham McDermott? Craig Cockburn? put it so long ago) but after
studying the Gospel according to Diaramid Logan I've concluded that we
did youall a big favor by replacing the androgenous Celts with Teutons
(at least!) of Norman genetic infusions. How in the world Ian O's
Viking gas masks come into all this is still a bit fuzzy unless
somehow the Dudleys were upwind.

MacRobert
(purveyor d'histoire)

James Silverton

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"Ian Morrison" <iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "James Silverton" <jim.si...@erols.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > I think saw some Duggan's Dew (not "of Kirkintilloch") a week or so ago
in a
> > liquor store. Does it actually come from Kirkintilloch? The town was dry
> > when I knew it!
>
> I've never heard of it. A town could be dry yet still have spiritous
> liquor manufactories.


I suspect the whisky is one of the cheaper brands, made in Scotland but
bottled in the US. I'll have to take a careful look at a bottle when next I
am in a liquor store. Here's a quote from an ad. by a store in
Massachusetts:

"86.8° -- Duggan's Dew O'Kirkintilloch brand is distilled and blended
in Scotland. Selected from the finest distilleries, Duggan's Dew is a superb
blend of the finest scotch whiskies.
750ml: $9.99 1.75 Liter: $18.99"


My local store misses off the "O'Kirkintilloch" part of the name in it's
advertising and I've never tried the stuff. By the way, the price of the
smaller bottle in the ad. would be about GBP6.25.

Jim.

Séimí mac Liam

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Dec 3, 2002, 10:57:35 AM12/3/02
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ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote in
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You seem awfully well-versed in Black Jack lore.

--

Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99

ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:09:34 -0500, I read these words from MacRobert
<.45inthe@pricot.man> :


Errrr, not the Dudleys !
You haven't seen my other post yet, have you ?

-- The Despicable Stewart PPP
-- Perfidious Alban
-- http://scs-informer.batcave.net/
>

>MacRobert
>(purveyor d'histoire)

Séimí mac Liam

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Dec 3, 2002, 12:46:02 PM12/3/02
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ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote in
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I'll have you know our phartogen smells like posies.

Séimí mac Liam

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Dec 3, 2002, 12:53:08 PM12/3/02
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ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote in
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> On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 20:37:19 -0500, I read these words from Turlough
> <turlo...@excite.com> :
>>
>>MacHamish wrote:
>>
>>> Better check your family tree. There's more than just monkeys up
>>> there. You might be a Duke, and I don't mean *of Hazzard*.
>>
>>Hmmm. I thought *Chatelherault* was French for pawnbroker...
>
> Much as the thought of having you as a neighbour dismays me.....
> (This place is about 2 miles away !)
>
> "Chatelherault Country Park
> "
> "A country park extending over 200 Ha (494 acres) 2 miles (3 km)
> southwest of Hamilton in South Lanarkshire, Chatelherault was formerly
> part of the estate of the Duke of Hamilton surrounding Hamilton
> Palace. The palace was demolished but Chatelherault Hunting Lodge,
> built for the 5th Duke of Hamilton, and an Iron Age fort survive. Also
> within the park are a deep gorge of the Avon Water overlooked by 13th
> Century Cadzow Castle, oak trees dating from the 15th Century and a
> rare breed of white cattle bred by the Dukes of Hamilton and perhaps
> descended from the ancient wild cattle of Scotland.
>

Would those be indigenous Scottish cattle and would they be Celtics or
Gemanics?

Séimí mac Liam

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MacRobert <.45inthe@pricot.man> wrote in
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And the netting needles were set in the back of a charging haggis much as a
picador sets his darts in the back of a Pamplona bovine. Olé. Ha, toro.

--

Saint Séimí mac Liam ingen Rebecca de Duddeleye

ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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On 3 Dec 2002 15:57:35 GMT, I read these words from "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwy...@aracnet.com> :

>ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote in
>news:6koouug3ou6oe106s...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:03:39 +0000 (UTC), I read these words from "Ian
>> Morrison" <iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> :
>>
>>>"James Silverton" <jim.si...@erols.com> wrote in message
>>>news:asg9ja$mr0$1...@bob.news.rcn.net
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think saw some Duggan's Dew (not "of Kirkintilloch") a week or so
>>>> ago in a liquor store. Does it actually come from Kirkintilloch? The
>>>> town was dry when I knew it!
>>>
>>>I've never heard of it. A town could be dry yet still have spiritous
>>>liquor manufactories.
>>
>> Most notably..Lynchburg, Tennessee, the home of Jack Daniels.
>>
>> -- The Despicable Stewart PPP
>> -- Perfidious Alban
>> -- http://scs-informer.batcave.net/
>>
>
>You seem awfully well-versed in Black Jack lore.

Bin there (Lynchburg), didn't get the tee-shirt, just a Zippo !
Most disappointed there was no "tasting" !

MacRobert

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On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 17:37:38 GMT, rus...@concentric.net (MacHamish)

paused to reflect but wrote anyway:

>On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:09:34 -0500, MacRobert <.45inthe@pricot.man> wrote:
>

>>Yes it is true that Hamilton is historically
>>a name derived from the "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" (as I think
>>Graham McDermott? Craig Cockburn? put it so long ago)
>

>Not so. The origin of the name is Scots. It comes from Hamilltoun, which
>broken down into its component parts is ham-ill-town. It harkens back to
>the days when the aforementioned illigitimate brothers of the 2nd duke were
>operating that chop house and blacksmithery in Paisley. Many people got ill
>shortly after dining at the establishment. Believing tainted ham to be the
>cause, they thus named the toun. Of course, as we know today, it wasn't
>actually ham being served. And now you know the rest of the story.
>
>MacHamish Mór

Having just reviewed the court records I can say with authority that
that is all just plain silly. Silly and quite possibly wrong. Turns
out the earliest known origins (and perhaps someone could back me on
this) are Moorish, derived from "al-ham d'al-toon" or "praise the
camel's hump!" Frankly one wonders just whatnh*ll that is supposed to
mean or even if the Moors were just too busy inventing zeros (notice
that twelve centuries later the crafty Nipponese ripped them off!) and
failed to send detectives after some northbound fugitive? From Iberia
to France, thence to *ngland and finally after suitable duplicity,
Scotland. The downhill trend continues to this very day, as does a
curious habit of hugging large hassocks.

MacRobert

MacRobert

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Dec 3, 2002, 3:01:32 PM12/3/02
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On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:09:18 -0500, "James Silverton"
<jim.si...@erols.com> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:

Then it really does exist. Interesting. Now then Mr. Silverton, can
you name the Scottish ships' Chief Engineer who drank the stuff in
literature?

and no googling, mind....

Stephen

Séimí mac Liam

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Dec 3, 2002, 2:40:14 PM12/3/02
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ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote in
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IMHO, you didn't miss much, as boubon goes, it's crap. But, then I think
all sour mash is crap. Bootleggers too cheap to feed the ruined mash to
the hogs.

ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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Dec 3, 2002, 6:31:58 PM12/3/02
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On 3 Dec 2002 19:40:14 GMT, I read these words from "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwy...@aracnet.com> :

Coincidently, I'm sitting here with a mix of Jack and Pepsi......
I'm either trying to kill the taste of the Jack Daniels or give
the Pepsi some flavour. Whichever way, it's alcoholic........
(Since you're about to ask, I did buy it. I actually like JD.)

Turlough

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Dec 3, 2002, 6:57:08 PM12/3/02
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ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> Coincidently, I'm sitting here with a mix of Jack and Pepsi......
> I'm either trying to kill the taste of the Jack Daniels or give
> the Pepsi some flavour. Whichever way, it's alcoholic........
> (Since you're about to ask, I did buy it. I actually like JD.)

Jaysus, Ian, that stuff is awful swill. A Scot drinking JD in Scotland
is like an Italian sitting in Milan eating raviloi out of a Chef
Boyardee can, or Conway eating meat without first having to remove the
fur. Is there no end to your despicable behaviour?

Turlough

ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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Dec 3, 2002, 7:38:05 PM12/3/02
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On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:57:08 -0500, I read these words from Turlough
<turlo...@excite.com> :

Put it this way, I rarely drink beer so I've been drinking blended
scotch for about forty years now. There are times when one seeks
a change....so it's JD, Dark Rum or Asbach Uralt !

The common factor is that *all* of the above can be mixed with
Coke, Pepsi, Dr Pepper, Lemonade, 7 Up, Sprite etc........

Is that despicable enough ??????????

Turlough

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Dec 3, 2002, 8:04:01 PM12/3/02
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ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> The common factor is that *all* of the above can be mixed with
> Coke, Pepsi, Dr Pepper, Lemonade, 7 Up, Sprite etc........
>
> Is that despicable enough ??????????

It's downright stomach churning...:>)))

Sally

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Dec 3, 2002, 11:31:54 PM12/3/02
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ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote in message news:<svpnuu0tetmtp5ggv...@4ax.com>...

one of the 28 that died that day?
one of the bairnies?

MacRobert

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Dec 4, 2002, 12:53:31 AM12/4/02
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On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 20:04:01 -0500, Turlough <turlo...@excite.com>

paused to reflect but wrote anyway:

>
>

You know, for a bartender you sure have a narrow viewpoint. The way I
see it, Ian is a nice, cheap date. At least he isn't particular who
he hangs around with!

MacRobert

Séimí mac Liam

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Dec 4, 2002, 1:40:30 AM12/4/02
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ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote in
news:jajquu87qua5at7j7...@4ax.com:

Can I recomend, Canadian Mist, MacNaughtons's or, if you want Bourbon, JW
Dant 12 year old? All will take a mix, though I can't fathom Dr. Pepper.

ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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Dec 4, 2002, 5:39:00 AM12/4/02
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On 4 Dec 2002 06:40:30 GMT, I read these words from "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwy...@aracnet.com> :

I'll try anything once. Dr Pepper and Dark Rum is OK if you run out of
Pepsi / Coke. Way back, I used to drink it with peppermint cordial !

Bryn Fraser

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Dec 4, 2002, 6:52:38 AM12/4/02
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ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk writes

Dark Rum!! I used to drink on my own :) but then I started putting
orange in it to get my RDA of vitamin C...


--
Bryn Fraser ?
~~~~~~~~~~~ + +
="=
~
The human lot. - He who considers more deeply knows that, whatever his acts and
judgements may be, he will always be wrong.

Nietzsche [HA 518]

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Séimí mac Liam

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Dec 4, 2002, 9:24:17 AM12/4/02
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ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote in
news:mkmruu0h6sehdf8bv...@4ax.com:

Perhaps I should also msntion that all of the above whiskies have the added
benefit of being much less costly than JD. Anything to save you from going
back to Fr. Pepper and peppermint schnapps,

Séimí mac Liam

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Dec 4, 2002, 9:28:25 AM12/4/02
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Bryn Fraser <br...@finhall.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:fhbAMCAG...@finhall.demon.co.uk:

OJ and Myer's Dark or Cruzan Clipper, looks like swamp water, tastes nice.
Friend of mine introduced me to Cuban Rum last year, tasted like a smooth
non-peaty, non-smoku single malt.

ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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Dec 4, 2002, 10:17:39 AM12/4/02
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On 4 Dec 2002 14:24:17 GMT, I read these words from "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwy...@aracnet.com> :
>ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote in

<Severe snipping was in order>
>
>
>Perhaps I should also mention that all of the above whiskies have the added

>benefit of being much less costly than JD. Anything to save you from going
>back to Fr. Pepper and peppermint schnapps,

Aaaah, Pfefferminz Schnapps !!! I've had that in Bremen.
They store it chilled and set it alight just before serving,
it really brings out the flavour ?

It's probably because of all those gut-burning drinks that I've tried
over the years that my stomach rebels at "neat" anything nowadays.

Rusty

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Dec 4, 2002, 10:50:08 AM12/4/02
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You're only a couple of miles from there? I've grabbed my old
brochures. Depending on wind direction, MacRobert could park his
dumpster in the ornamental species area southeast of the bridge and no
one will notice him if he scatters a few Kudzu seeds around. Once we
have his family tree worked up showing that he is the rightful owner,
he can move in and invite us all over for future scs get togethers,
quilting bees and such. Are you north or south of the entrance, Ian?
You may have to relocate once the Kudzu takes root.

Rusty

Rusty

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Dec 4, 2002, 10:55:47 AM12/4/02
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On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:21:40 -0500, MacRobert <.45inthe@pricot.man>
wrote:
>
>Is there no end to French perfidy! Next they'll be wearing kilts...
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1900917920
>
>MacRobert

Yeow! And a Yorkshire auction no less. Well, at least MacHamish and
I know where we can get Burns Night attire for our pups.

Rusty

ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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Dec 4, 2002, 11:40:45 AM12/4/02
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On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:50:08 GMT, I read these words from
yourg...@yahoo.com (Rusty) :

<snips>
>>"Chatelherault Country Park"


>> http://makeashorterlink.com/?S1F7233A2
>
>You're only a couple of miles from there?

>Are you north or south of the entrance, Ian?

About 2 miles South !
The entrance to Chatelherault is at Ferniegair,
a village halfway between Hamilton and Larkhall,
which is where we've lived for about twenty years.


>
>I've grabbed my old brochures.

Been there have you ?

Turlough

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Dec 4, 2002, 11:36:11 AM12/4/02
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"Séimí mac Liam" wrote:

> Can I recomend, Canadian Mist, MacNaughtons's or, if you want Bourbon,
> JW Dant 12 year old?

Now you're talking...

All will take a mix, though I can't fathom Dr. Pepper.

Tastes like soapy water to me.

Rusty

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Dec 4, 2002, 11:50:05 AM12/4/02
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On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:57:08 -0500, Turlough <turlo...@excite.com>
wrote:

No offense intended, Ian but have to agree with Turlough. Daniels and
Beam are only good for Juleps and rock hard holiday fruitcake gifts
for relatives who don't know any better. I know a guy from the West
Country who loves the stuff but I'm reminded of a shopping trip errand
on a couple of years ago. We were told to go and buy American Beer
for friends visiting from Bavaria. They wanted Coors. Lars had the
worst time trying to force his hand to pull the 6 pack off of the
shelf and I longed for the good old days when the stuff wasn't
distributed east of the Mississippi River.

Rusty

Rusty

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Dec 4, 2002, 11:52:07 AM12/4/02
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On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 20:04:01 -0500, Turlough <turlo...@excite.com>
wrote:

I'll bet he gets it from the Ramsey side of the family. :o)

Rusty

Séimí mac Liam

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Dec 4, 2002, 12:34:36 PM12/4/02
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ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote in
news:ni6suu431cbgsnvi0...@4ax.com:

Yes and if my experiance is anything to judge by, if you keep it up soon it
won't just be your stomach but your liver and brain as well. I do love the
stuff, just can't drink much of it these days.

Séimí mac Liam

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Dec 4, 2002, 12:46:46 PM12/4/02
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Turlough <turlo...@excite.com> wrote in
news:3DEE2EFB...@excite.com:

Should have known the Kenosha Kid would be knowledgeable in this area.

Rusty

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Dec 4, 2002, 1:10:02 PM12/4/02
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On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:40:45 GMT, ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

>On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:50:08 GMT, I read these words from
>yourg...@yahoo.com (Rusty) :
>
><snips>
>>>"Chatelherault Country Park"
>>> http://makeashorterlink.com/?S1F7233A2
>>
>>You're only a couple of miles from there?
>>Are you north or south of the entrance, Ian?
>
>About 2 miles South !

Settling MacRober southeast of the bridge won't work then.

>The entrance to Chatelherault is at Ferniegair,
>a village halfway between Hamilton and Larkhall,
>which is where we've lived for about twenty years.
>>
>>I've grabbed my old brochures.
>
>Been there have you ?

Either in 1991 or 1993. I can't remember now. I'm surprised I knew
where the brochures were after all these years. I've friends from
Hamilton but they moved to the states before the property was cleaned
up and the house was rebuilt. The last time Tom was home to visit
family was a couple of years ago when his haggis was confiscated at
Dulles upon return and he was hit by customs after his entire Highland
attire, consisting of Kilt, Prince Charlie, hose, skean dubh (and
probably one of those Yorkshire Willy Warmers from ebay but I didn't
ask) showed up in the post on the same day.

Rusty

Séimí mac Liam

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Dec 4, 2002, 12:51:09 PM12/4/02
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yourg...@yahoo.com (Rusty) wrote in
news:3dee1f54....@news.bellatlantic.net:

I'll start chiseling the necessary gravestones.

Madra Dubh

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"MacRobert" <.45inthe@pricot.man> wrote in message
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Good to see you back on line.
-Conway


ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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Dec 4, 2002, 5:34:18 PM12/4/02
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On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:10:02 GMT, I read these words from
yourg...@yahoo.com (Rusty) :

>On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:40:45 GMT, ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:50:08 GMT, I read these words from
>>yourg...@yahoo.com (Rusty) :
>>
>><snips>
>>>>"Chatelherault Country Park"
>>>> http://makeashorterlink.com/?S1F7233A2
>>>
>>>You're only a couple of miles from there?
>>>Are you north or south of the entrance, Ian?
>>
>>About 2 miles South !
>
>Settling MacRober southeast of the bridge won't work then.

South-east sounds OK !
If you get the distance right, he'd end up on the M74 Motorway.
He could assault all the *nglish tourists heading North !
At least it would keep him out of the way of the locals.

MacRobert

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Dec 4, 2002, 2:53:22 PM12/4/02
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On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:30:08 GMT, "Madra Dubh"
<cca...@worldnet.att.net> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:

And you too, old timer!

Stephen+

MacRobert

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Dec 4, 2002, 2:55:24 PM12/4/02
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On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:50:05 GMT, yourg...@yahoo.com (Rusty) paused

to reflect but wrote anyway:

>On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:57:08 -0500, Turlough <turlo...@excite.com>

In that case you won't want to learn what happened in 1977 just
upstream of Golden.

MacRobert


S Viemeister

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Dec 4, 2002, 7:56:11 PM12/4/02
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Rusty wrote:
> Once we
> have his family tree worked up showing that he is the rightful owner,
> he can move in and invite us all over for future scs get togethers,
> quilting bees and such.
>
Will you be joining us at the quilting get-together, Rusty?

Sheila

Murdo

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Dec 4, 2002, 8:46:18 PM12/4/02
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On 2 Dec 2002 06:26:39 -0800, she...@viemeister.com (S Viemeister)
wrote:

>Murdo <mu...@shaw.ca> wrote
>>
>> Again, if memory serves, the Breadalbane family which once owned more
>> of Scotland than any other family,
>>
>More than the Leveson-Gowers?

I believe so. There was a prophecy made by some cailleach (old hag)
when the Breadalbanes were at the height of their wealth and power
that one day they would be reduced to poverty. It happened.

>> The Outer Hebridean Morrisons finally fell out with their patrons in
>> North Uist and some fled to the Mackay country in Sutherland, where
>> they were sheltered by the Mackay chief and whose descendants today
>> are no doubt weel acquent with our own Sheila Viemeister, Learned Lady
>> of the Mackays!
>>
>Yes, there are still a number of Morrisons in Mackay country. I think
>I've even spotted a few in my family tree.
>
>Sheila



Robert Peffers

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Dec 5, 2002, 5:28:13 AM12/5/02
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"Séimí mac Liam" <gwy...@aracnet.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92DA41...@129.250.170.96...
Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
Anyone ever try the Royal Navy Issue Neaters?
--
Aefauldlie, (Scots for Sincerely),,
frae Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
In Kelty, *Kingdom Of Fife*,
Scotland, (UK).
b...@peffersspecs50.freeserve.co.uk
(Remove specs to make reply).

*The Eck's Files*, Web Site is http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk/

Elaine Goldberg

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Dec 4, 2002, 9:12:40 PM12/4/02
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Rusty wrote:

<snip>

>Once we have his family tree worked up
> showing that he is the rightful owner, he
> can move in and invite us all over for
> future scs get togethers, quilting bees
> and such.

As a matter of fact, we are planning a quilting bee in Scotland either
in late 2003 or early 2004. Would you be interested in joining us,
Rusty?

Elaine

Elaine Goldberg

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Dec 4, 2002, 9:21:29 PM12/4/02
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Sheila asked:

>Will you be joining us at the quilting
> get-together, Rusty?

I asked the same thing, before reading your post, Sheila.

Rusty....we're getting together at the Tate House in Georgia on the last
week end in April. Perhaps you could join us??

http://www.tatehouse.com/

I can't promise any quilting, but there will be other interesting
activities!

Elaine

Séimí mac Liam

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Dec 5, 2002, 10:04:34 AM12/5/02
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"Robert Peffers" <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
news:asmdjf$90m$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk:

Never had the pleasure. Is it a light or dark rum?

Rusty

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Dec 6, 2002, 9:04:02 PM12/6/02
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If knitters are allowed. Unfortunately, it's too far in the future in
order to plan anything since I work around Lars and his schedule which
can change from one month to another. It also makes trying to get
air fares cheaply nearly impossible.

Rusty

Rusty

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Dec 6, 2002, 9:10:20 PM12/6/02
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I wish I could give a definite yes but... If it was at the end of
March there may have been hope but as it stands right now, that should
be about the time I'm sending Lars back out to sea to earn more money.
When he's gone, it falls to me to keep the teenagers out of trouble so
leaving them home alone with both cars for a weekend is iffy, even
though they'd love it.

Thanks for the invite though!
Rusty

S Viemeister

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Dec 6, 2002, 9:24:36 PM12/6/02
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Knitters definitely allowed.
I'm more of a knitter than a quilter. Hand knitting and machine knitting.

Madra Dubh

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Dec 8, 2002, 10:28:43 AM12/8/02
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"MacRobert" <.45inthe@pricot.man> wrote in message
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I can sympathize with your recent server/provider problems.
I just went through a rash of that mesel'.
-Conway


MacRobert

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Dec 8, 2002, 2:24:02 PM12/8/02
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On Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:28:43 GMT, "Madra Dubh"

<cca...@worldnet.att.net> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:

>
>"MacRobert" <.45inthe@pricot.man> wrote in message
>news:a8nsuuc8uilq178jb...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:30:08 GMT, "Madra Dubh"
>> <cca...@worldnet.att.net> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:
>>
>> >
>> >"MacRobert" <.45inthe@pricot.man> wrote in message
>> >news:96nnuu02c3hplsoi8...@4ax.com...
>> >
>> >Good to see you back on line.
>> >-Conway
>> >
>>
>> And you too, old timer!
>>
>I can sympathize with your recent server/provider problems.
>I just went through a rash of that mesel'.
>-Conway
>

It was easy to fix, just one good threat to upgrade the motherboard
with a ball pein hammer...

Madra Dubh

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Dec 8, 2002, 3:53:03 PM12/8/02
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"MacRobert" <.45inthe@pricot.man> wrote in message
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I put my PC on the floor where I can kick the **** out of it from time to
time.
-Conway


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