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ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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Feb 4, 2003, 4:20:56 AM2/4/03
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Anyone have the words of this song ?
Can't find it anywhere on-line.

-- The Despicable Stewart
-- Perfidious Alban
-- http://www.ian.stewart.ukgateway.net/informer.htm

Elaine Goldberg

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Feb 4, 2003, 8:41:23 AM2/4/03
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The Despicable Stewart wrote:

>Anyone have the words of this song ?
>Can't find it anywhere on-line.

Try here:

http://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/dtrad/pages/tiMARCH42;ttMARCH42.html

Wha' saw the tattie howkers,
Wha' saw them gang awa'?
Wha' saw the tattie howkers,
Marching through the Broomielaw?

Some of them had bits of stockings,
Some of them had nane at a',
Some of them had umberellas
Marching through the Broomielaw.

Elaine

Mike MacKinnon

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Elaine Goldberg <ElaineF...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Same tune as "Wha wadna fecht for Chairlie"

M


ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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Feb 4, 2003, 4:18:00 PM2/4/03
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 06:41:23 -0700 (MST), I read these words from
ElaineF...@webtv.net (Elaine Goldberg) :

>
>The Despicable Stewart wrote:
>
>>Anyone have the words of this song ?
>>Can't find it anywhere on-line.
>
>Try here:
>
>http://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/dtrad/pages/tiMARCH42;ttMARCH42.html

Thanks Elaine.
There's a story behind my query.

Our next door neighbour (he's 80+ years) was, in his younger days, a
pretty good amateur painter. The other day he said, "You're a Glasgow
man, do you remember the song about the "Tattie Howkers" ?"

I did, but couldn't remember all the words. Anyway, he gave me a
photocopy of a drawing he did some years back. It's now at :
http://www.ian-stewart.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/howkers.htm

ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:40:15 -0000, I read these words from "Mike
MacKinnon" <mic...@eircom.net> :

>
>Same tune as "Wha wadna fecht for Chairlie"

AFAIK(new), it was actually a parody on "Wha saw the 42nd".
(same tune)

John Crighton

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Feb 4, 2003, 6:30:27 PM2/4/03
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Hello Elaine, Ian and the Group,
in Fife in the early 1960's, school kids were allowed, with
approval from the school, to pick potatos for local farmers
for about 2 to 3 weeks during the harvesting season.
Back then, I got 15 shillings per day.
Can you tell me if kids today are still allowed to go tattie
howking with school permission?

The second verse in the song referring to dress. We
were like scare crows. Wearing old clothes near to rags.
That was the first time I had ever seen grown women
wearing mens clothes, old suits. I remember that because
of the quip I received, "What are you efin gopin' at?"
I still think a woman in a man's pin strip suit, lining hanging
out the elbows, wellies and head scarf looks odd.

A couple of tractors with trailers would come round the
village and pick us up in the morning and drop us off in
the afternoon near our homes. They had to, because
after being bent over all day we could hardly walk.
For me it was a good experience, it motivated me to
try harder at school. I did not want a job involving
such aches and pains.

Ian, you triggered off my memory with that heading.
The school bully boys would raid our bags, stealing
our pieces and bottles of ginger at the side of the field.
This bully boy behavior went on for days, the farmer
was not interested in keeping order so we laced a few
of the bottles with urine.
When we told these bullies after one of their raids on the
lunch bags, about the special ginger, other kids then
joined in, exagerating how the sandwiches were also fixed.
They spat, puked and spewed at the mere thought of what
also might have been smeared in the sandwiches.
Some punches and kicks were received by us smaller boys
but revenge on the bullies that day was a magic moment
in my school life. :-)
Regards,
John Crighton
Sydney

elaine skinner

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Feb 4, 2003, 7:45:40 PM2/4/03
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I remember being a tattie howker.........I was only 14/15 at the time and I
was picked up by the van at about 6a.m. It was back breaking work and I
remember stealing an enormous tattie and putting it in my anorak.......I
left it on a post and when I fetched my anorak the tattie was
missing.......they were so mean and paid us so little and all we got was
painful backs......I never went back the next day:-)

Elaine.
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Elaine Goldberg

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Feb 4, 2003, 7:36:51 PM2/4/03
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The Despicable Stewart wrote:

>Thanks Elaine.

HTH.

>There's a story behind my query.

>Our next door neighbour (he's 80+ years)
> was, in his younger days, a pretty good
> amateur painter. The other day he said,
> "You're a Glasgow man, do you
> remember the song about the "Tattie
> Howkers" ?"

>I did, but couldn't remember all the
> words. Anyway, he gave me a
> photocopy of a drawing he did some
> years back. It's now at :

>  http://www.ian-stewart.pwp.blueyonder.
>co.uk/howkers.htm

That's a great drawing. I'm glad you posted it.

Elaine

ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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Feb 4, 2003, 8:12:13 PM2/4/03
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On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 00:45:40 -0000, I read these words from "elaine
skinner" <bonni...@blueyonder.co.uk> :

>I remember being a tattie howker.........I was only 14/15 at the time and I
>was picked up by the van at about 6a.m. It was back breaking work and I
>remember stealing an enormous tattie and putting it in my anorak.......I
>left it on a post and when I fetched my anorak the tattie was
>missing.......they were so mean and paid us so little and all we got was
>painful backs......I never went back the next day:-)
>

The song (at least this version) specifically relates to Irish
"howkers". The "Irish boat" berthed at the Broomielaw.

Elaine Goldberg

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Feb 4, 2003, 8:02:35 PM2/4/03
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John wrote:

>Hello Elaine, Ian and the Group,
>in Fife in the early 1960's, school kids
> were allowed, with approval from the
> school, to pick potatos for local farmers
>  for about 2 to 3 weeks during the
> harvesting season. Back then, I got 15
> shillings per day.

>Can you tell me if kids today are still
> allowed to go tattie howking with school
> permission?

Hi, John. I grew up in Iowa (the 'corn' state). My first job was also
underage, detasseling field corn. They'd load up open trucks with kids,
and take us to the cornfields where we'd walk the corn rows for 50 cents
an hour, pulling the tassels off the corn stalks. It was the only job
available to underage kids, and although we didn't have to bend down to
the ground like you did, we thought we'd die from the blistering sun,
heat, humidity, dirt and bugs! I don't even know if it's done,
manually, today. I do know that nobody would be transported like that
due to stringent seatbelt laws!

>The second verse in the song referring to
> dress. We were like scare crows.
> Wearing old clothes near to rags. That
> was the first time I had ever seen grown
> women wearing mens clothes, old suits.
> I remember that because of the quip I
> received, "What are you efin gopin' at?"
> I still think a woman in a man's pin strip
> suit, lining hanging out the elbows,
> wellies and head scarf looks odd.

>  A couple of tractors with trailers would
> come round the village and pick us up in
> the morning and drop us off in   the
> afternoon near our homes. They had to,
> because after being bent over all day we
> could hardly walk. For me it was a good
> experience, it motivated me to try
> harder at school. I did not want a job
> involving such aches and pains.

I just had to <snip> a lot of your post, because WebTV wouldn't let me
respond with so many lines of attributions! Sorry!

>Some punches and kicks
> were received by us smaller boys but
> revenge on the bullies that day was a
> magic moment in my school life. :-)

That's a great story! It's fun to reminisce, isn't it! I hope you're
writing down your stories the way Glenallen is.

Elaine

Ophelia

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Feb 4, 2003, 4:27:40 PM2/4/03
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<ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 06:41:23 -0700 (MST), I read these words from
> ElaineF...@webtv.net (Elaine Goldberg) :
>
> >
> >The Despicable Stewart wrote:
> >
> >>Anyone have the words of this song ?
> >>Can't find it anywhere on-line.
> >
> >Try here:
> >
> >http://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/dtrad/pages/tiMARCH42;ttMARCH42.html
>
> Thanks Elaine.
> There's a story behind my query.
>
> Our next door neighbour (he's 80+ years) was, in his younger days, a
> pretty good amateur painter. The other day he said, "You're a Glasgow
> man, do you remember the song about the "Tattie Howkers" ?"
>
> I did, but couldn't remember all the words. Anyway, he gave me a
> photocopy of a drawing he did some years back. It's now at :
> http://www.ian-stewart.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/howkers.htm

Thanks for sharing. He is very good:)

I did enjoy that:)

O


ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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Feb 5, 2003, 3:58:53 AM2/5/03
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:27:40 -0000, I read these words from "Ophelia"
<Oph...@invalid.com> :
<snip>

>>Anyway, he gave me a
>> photocopy of a drawing he did some years back. It's now at :
>> http://www.ian-stewart.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/howkers.htm
>
>Thanks for sharing. He is very good:)
>
>I did enjoy that:)

I thought I'd get my "cultural contribution" for the year,
over and done with, it's probably all downhill from here !

ejaycee

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<ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 00:45:40 -0000, I read these words from
"elaine
> skinner" <bonni...@blueyonder.co.uk> :
>
> >I remember being a tattie howker.........I was only 14/15 at
the time and I
> >was picked up by the van at about 6a.m. It was back breaking
work and I
> >remember stealing an enormous tattie and putting it in my
anorak.......I
> >left it on a post and when I fetched my anorak the tattie was
> >missing.......they were so mean and paid us so little and all
we got was
> >painful backs......I never went back the next day:-)
> >
We used to have tattie howking holidays from school. Some where
around August if my memory serves me right. I don't however
remember getting any wages. Do you think my parents were holding
out on us kids?????

Ejaycee

Glenallan

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Feb 5, 2003, 11:59:19 AM2/5/03
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<ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Ian, There is something very 'Irish' about the sketch.
The soft hats is more of an Irish characteristic, for me,
and the river is obviously the Clyde at the Broomielaw.
Is this a sketch of Irish tattie-howkers coming off the
boat for seasonal work, I wonder.

G
--


ZsaZsa

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"Elaine Goldberg" <ElaineF...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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John wrote:

>Hello Elaine, Ian and the Group,
>in Fife in the early 1960's, school kids
> were allowed, with approval from the
> school, to pick potatos for local farmers
> for about 2 to 3 weeks during the
> harvesting season. Back then, I got 15
> shillings per day.

>Can you tell me if kids today are still
> allowed to go tattie howking with school
> permission?

Hi, John. I grew up in Iowa (the 'corn' state).

Hi Elaine. For some reason I thought that you were Scottish, and had gone
to the US as an adult. Were you born in the US, or did you go there as a
child?


Duke of URL

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And Elaine is going to grow up one of these days real soon, too...


Nor

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AS I remember it when I was at school we only got 5 weeks holidays in summer
in Secondary so we could go tattie-picking in Oct for 3 weeks, seemingly
there was a shortage of folk tae dae the tattie-picking after the war (for a
fair number o years)......so we got 'tattie holidays'
As I remember it we got 10 shillings a week and were picked up at several
venues by a lorry and delivered to the field that was to be picked by 8am.
Some o the laddies would light a fire and we would put tatties into the
ashes to cook.....course most of the time the tatties were half-raw......we
ate em anyway! I remember the cold and the frost a lot of the time
(Brrrrrrr......)
My best memory of that time was coming home from a day of tattie-picking,
tired and cold, and meeting a laddie who lived next to us who told me that
there was a telly in our hoose......I didn't believe him.......but when I
got home there it was. Blank of course.....programmes didn't start till 7pm!
Got cleaned up and fed, all ready to settle doon tae watch this new
technology.........saw the 1st 5 minutes.......then fell fast asleep! lol
As tae the tattie-howkers song we sang 'bits and stockings' meaning boots
and stockings, I can't remember the rest
Gawd! I'm auld! lol
Noreen


ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 23:01:36 GMT, I read these words from "Nor"
<Nore...@Nowayblueyonder.co.uk> :

>
>As tae the tattie-howkers song we sang 'bits and stockings' meaning boots
>and stockings, I can't remember the rest

It's now at (illustrated version) :
http://www.ian-stewart.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/howkers.htm

ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:59:19 +0000 (UTC), I read these words from
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Yes. AFAIK that was what the song was about
(see my other post re "The Irish Boat")

John Crighton

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On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 00:45:40 -0000, "elaine skinner"
<bonni...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>I remember being a tattie howker.........I was only 14/15 at the time and I
>was picked up by the van at about 6a.m. It was back breaking work and I
>remember stealing an enormous tattie and putting it in my anorak.......I
>left it on a post and when I fetched my anorak the tattie was
>missing.......they were so mean and paid us so little and all we got was
>painful backs......I never went back the next day:-)
>

Hello Elaine,
I met several farmers tattie howking and they were mainly
miserable gits. Helen's dour and crabbit words are not strong
enough in describing these guys. A couple of farmers did allow
us to take several spuds each day. Then some greedy kid
abused the privilige and that would be the end of it. I can still
feel the agro. The old farmer swearing abuse and waving his
stick at us as he grabbed our bags for inspection, tipping out
the few potatoes he found and yelling at those kids not to come
back. I do not know if the kids that were sent off ever got
paid for the days they did work. Probably not. They took
advantage of us kids. The school headmaster had made it
clear before we went picking that he would not get involved
in disputes. So much for the caring and nurturing of young
people. What a joke! Elaine, I can understand your decision
not to go back the next day. Yes, they were "mean".

Just thinking about it now, if the farmer had made up little
bags with a few potatoes for each kid to bring back to their
mums each day, the kids would not have been sneaking
around hiding what they had pinched, their minds would
have been taken off the problem of nicking a few spuds.
The farmer would have benefited greatly by getting more
production from the kids. Anyway, that is all in the past,
probably don't use school kids anymore.

Regards,
John Crighton
Sydney

Elaine Goldberg

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Feb 5, 2003, 7:39:35 PM2/5/03
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Zsa Zsa wrote:

>Hi Elaine. For some reason I thought
> that you were Scottish, and had gone to
> the US as an adult. Were you born in
> the US, or did you go there as a child?

I was born in the US. My grandmother was Scottish. I like to go to
Scotland whenever I get the chance, and even toyed with the idea of
moving there at one time.

Elaine

Elaine Goldberg

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Feb 5, 2003, 7:41:08 PM2/5/03
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The Duke Of URL wrote:

>And Elaine is going to grow up one of
> these days real soon, too...

Aw, Uncle Duke, do I have to?

Elaine

Séimí mac Liam

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Feb 5, 2003, 9:35:34 PM2/5/03
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joh...@tpg.com.au (John Crighton) wrote in
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By what you say above, one kid, at least, would not have been satisfied
with what the farmer offered. I will give my nuts to anyone who comes and
asks, in large quantities, yet I have one lady, yet to be caught in the
act, who insists on stealing from my orchard. It shows a lack of respect.
It makes farmers mean.

--

Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99

Sandy Cruden

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The tattie howkin was great.We all looked forward to getting off school and
earning a fortune. The farmer picked us up on the trailer and took us to the
fields. Everyone had a strip to pick marked out by sticks stuck in the
ground. The tractor with the digger came along and everyone worked like
blazes to clear their strip before it came back again. We mainly picked
Kerr's Pinks around Milton of Balgonie. Some of them were huge. We got to
take tatties home at the end of the day. This was in the mid / late 50's. I
got 17/6 a day

I had a paper run as well ....The Evening Citizen.....This made me 24
shillings a week With my Tattie howkin money and paper run I was a
MILLIONAIRE!! Well nearly!

Sandy Cruden
Sydney and Bangkok

>
>
>
>
>


ZsaZsa

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"Elaine Goldberg" <ElaineF...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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You look Scottish in your picture on the scs website.


ZsaZsa

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My Da told me about going off to do that, and staying in digs with a few
other boys, and their young schoolteacher. They worked for 6 days, and the
teacher took them all to church on the Sunday. There was only one church
nearby, a wee free place. The next week, my Dad told the teacher that they
all had worked so hard all week, that he was having a lie-in on Sunday, and
to Hell wiith anybodoy who tried to tell him otherwise. The other boys
thought him quite brave to take this stand, and backed him up. The real
reason he didn't want to go, was not because he wanted to sleep in, he was
afraid to go back to the church. He said that the Hellfire and damnation
preacher had terrified him.


John Crighton

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On 6 Feb 2003 02:35:34 GMT, "Séimí mac Liam" <gwy...@aracnet.com>
wrote:

Hello ?
(sorry, I do not know Gaelic, I don't wish to address you incorrectly)
Yes, I can understand that stealing makes farmers mean.
I was describing farmers and incidents as I saw them, 1960 to 1962
in Fife. Not very complimentary to potato farmers in Fife back then,
but that is how it was. To me as a kid, they seemed to be always
angry and were frightening to be near. A few kids do the wrong
thing and spoil it for the rest.

To day you are a nut farmer, in America. Worlds away,
in distance and time! You and your workers have a
totally different set of attitudes and values to the people
I knew there, back then. The fact that you call your
workers ladies, speaks volumes. Please do not take
offence. Glad to know you have workers that you can trust.

Regards,
John Crighton
Sydney


Adam Whyte-Settlar

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"ZsaZsa" <re...@ng.org> wrote in message
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That doesn't mean she's not a nice person.
A W-S


Elaine Goldberg

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Zsa Zsa wrote:

>You look Scottish in your picture on the
> scs website.

I've always looked more like the Scottish side of the family.

Elaine

Séimí mac Liam

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joh...@tpg.com.au (John Crighton) wrote in
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Shyemy, my name is James, Jim to most. My father was William. It is not
one of the workers who steals from me. I do not limit gifts of nuts to
only my workers. I, too, was a tattie howker in the fifties and sixties.
I suspect part of the difference in attitude, both of the workers and
farmers, is as you say, time and place, but also because of the size of
the farms. 600 acres of potatoes is a bunch of potatoes. Where I worked
potatoes, the machine left a bit at the beginning and end of each row(10-
50 pounds)undug. No farmer of my acquaintance objected to anyone
gleening the row ends, until the greedy and lazy began taking potatoes
other than the ones that would be lost in any event. Farmers abhor waste
almost as much as they abhor theivery.

John Crighton

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On 6 Feb 2003 16:14:28 GMT, "Séimí mac Liam" <gwy...@aracnet.com>
wrote:
<snip>

>
>Shyemy, my name is James, Jim to most. My father was William. It is not
>one of the workers who steals from me. I do not limit gifts of nuts to
>only my workers. I, too, was a tattie howker in the fifties and sixties.
>I suspect part of the difference in attitude, both of the workers and
>farmers, is as you say, time and place, but also because of the size of
>the farms. 600 acres of potatoes is a bunch of potatoes. Where I worked
>potatoes, the machine left a bit at the beginning and end of each row(10-
>50 pounds)undug. No farmer of my acquaintance objected to anyone
>gleening the row ends, until the greedy and lazy began taking potatoes
>other than the ones that would be lost in any event. Farmers abhor waste
>almost as much as they abhor theivery.
>
>--
>
>Saint Séimí mac Liam
>Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
>Prophet of The Great Tagger
>Canonized December '99

Hello Jim,
nice to meet you.
In regard to the waste or leftovers, where I worked,
around the village of Oakley near Dunfermline, there
was very little waste after a field was picked. The kids
were lined up across an area of ground, two to a basket
and we would walk in a line, picking up the missed or
half buried spuds. This procedure was called harrowing.
The angry old farmer would be out in front, kicking up buried
spuds or using his stick, all the time swearing about the
fact that we lazy, useless bastards had missed them. In
that atmosphere of mutual disrespect, thieving is bound
to happened. Some farmers cheated on wages, and the
school kid workers stole. That is what I saw.

As a school kid worker I was paid 15 shillings a day by the
old man I just described. A few weeks later I played truant
from school and joined some adult pickers. I was paid one
pound a day and told to fill my bag. The atmosphere was
completely different. Of the half dozen farms I worked at,
around 1962, Reid's farm was fair. The others were
unfriendly and mean to me. Jim, I say again, please don't
take offence.

Jim, can you please explain the rest of your signature to me?
Regards,
John Crighton
Sydney


Ian Johnston

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Feb 6, 2003, 6:03:59 PM2/6/03
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:40:15, "Mike MacKinnon" <mic...@eircom.net>
wrote:

: Same tune as "Wha wadna fecht for Chairlie"

And almost the same words as "Wha saw the forty-second", unremarkably
enough.

Ian


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ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk

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Feb 6, 2003, 6:23:04 PM2/6/03
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On Thu, 06 Feb 2003 22:07:24 GMT, I read these words from
joh...@tpg.com.au (John Crighton) :
>
<snip>

>>Saint Séimí mac Liam
>>Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
>>Prophet of The Great Tagger
>>Canonized December '99
>
>Jim, can you please explain the rest of your signature to me?

Would newbies (that's anyone who came into scs after the above
date of '99) please note that any reply from the Nutman may,
just possibly but unlikely, contain a small degree of truth !

Helen Ramsay

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Feb 6, 2003, 10:23:07 PM2/6/03
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<ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

>
> Thanks Elaine.
> There's a story behind my query.
>
> Our next door neighbour (he's 80+ years) was, in his younger days, a
> pretty good amateur painter. The other day he said, "You're a Glasgow
> man, do you remember the song about the "Tattie Howkers" ?"
>

> I did, but couldn't remember all the words. Anyway, he gave me a


> photocopy of a drawing he did some years back. It's now at :
> http://www.ian-stewart.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/howkers.htm

Great sketch Ian! Thanks.

Cheers, Helen


John Crighton

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Feb 6, 2003, 10:42:30 PM2/6/03
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Hello Ian,
here in Australia, we have had some additional
royalty for over 30 years. Prince Leonard.
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~huttrivr/
I think there may be more Principalities and
Kingdoms up in Queensland.
Once upon a time, I lived in the Kingdom of Fife. :-)
Regards,
John Crighton
Sydney

Duke of URL

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Feb 6, 2003, 6:50:01 PM2/6/03
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"Elaine Goldberg" <ElaineF...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:18428-3E...@storefull-2116.public.lawson.webtv.net...

You misapprehend, darling niece - the question is whether or not we LET
you...


Séimí mac Liam

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joh...@tpg.com.au (John Crighton) wrote in
news:3e42c464...@News.CIS.DFN.DE:

--
Saint Séimí mac Liam- someone called me a saint for giving them hazelnuts

Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve-according to Mercutio, Queen
Mab(Maeve) has as her chariot an empty hazelnut shell

Prophet of The Great Tagger- the great Tagger is a poster on SCI, Paul
Carr

Canonized December '99-when I was first called a saint

David A. Allan

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> "Elaine Goldberg" <ElaineF...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:28088-3E...@storefull-2116.public.lawson.webtv.net...
<snip>

> >Can you tell me if kids today are still
> > allowed to go tattie howking with school
> > permission?

In Angus (Forfar area) they do indeed still have "tattie holidays" (in
October, IINM), to allow just that - IIRC, the area was given special
dispensation (in the 1980s?) to continue the practice of allowing schoolkids
a fortnight off school to assist in the potato harvest - all other areas had
to reduce the break to (again, IINM) a single week. Not sure if many kids
actually still 'tattie howk' nowadays, however!

(Not-so-fond memories of 'tattie howkin' as a schoolchild - the frosty
ground; the girny gaffer; the glaikit wifies who always 'swickit the
peenie'; the 'piecetimes' that were never long enough; the seemingly
interminable 'dreels'; the really horrible 'harras'; the (relative) joy at
being assigned an 'end rig'; the 'graduation' to 'skull timmin'; the lack of
'skulls' meaning you'd never get your 'bit pickit' before the digger came
around yet again...yucks!)

David (ex-tattie howker)


davi...@gmail.com

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On Tuesday, 4 February 2003 04:20:56 UTC-5, ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> Anyone have the words of this song ?
> Can't find it anywhere on-line.
>
> -- The Despicable Stewart
> -- Perfidious Alban
> -- http://www.ian.stewart.ukgateway.net/informer.htm

From Roy to Elaine Goldberg...
In the early 1930's my Grannie sang this song to me ( a six-year old or so!
).
However the first verse ended thus -
'Wha saw the tattie howkers sailin' doon the Broomielaw' !
My Grandmother told me that the song referred to casual Irish workers who took temporary work, harvesting the potato crop in the West of Scotland. They would then be paid a paltry wage, and I dare say would be glad to. They would sail back to Belfast or other Irish port at the end of the harvesting.
As a youngster in the 1930's Clackmannanshire countryside, we thought it a privilege to help with harvesting, and welcomed a two-penny bottle of Orange Crush or Irn Brew, as recompense for our efforts. Facts from an exiled Scot in Vemont !!.

soup

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On 03/01/2015 01:24, davi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, 4 February 2003 04:20:56 UTC-5, ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>> Anyone have the words of this song ?

> However the first verse ended thus -
> 'Wha saw the tattie howkers sailin' doon the Broomielaw' !

Should it not be "gangin' doon the broomilaw". Always thought it
applied to itinerant workers mainly from Scotland not Ireland and the
Broomielaw is a road in Newcastle. Mind you I suppose it is like
stovies, minestrone, the ball of Kirriemuir etc in that there are as
many different versions as people who sing it(cook it).
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Joe Makowiec

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Jan 9, 2015, 7:23:00 PM1/9/15
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On 09 Jan 2015 in soc.culture.scottish, soupdragon wrote:

> Photo here -
>
> http://www.glasgowhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Lancelot-and-
> Sultana-at-the-Broomielaw-1.jpg

Great pic - thanks!

--
Joe Makowiec
http://makowiec.org/
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JeffreyHamilton

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Jan 21, 2015, 6:56:26 PM1/21/15
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soupdragon wrote:
> soup <cheezs...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:m8m0fs$gbd$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 03/01/2015 01:24, davi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 4 February 2003 04:20:56 UTC-5,
>>> ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>>>> Anyone have the words of this song ?
>>
>>> However the first verse ended thus -
>>> 'Wha saw the tattie howkers sailin' doon the Broomielaw' !
>>
>> Should it not be "gangin' doon the broomilaw". Always thought it
>> applied to itinerant workers mainly from Scotland not Ireland and the
>> Broomielaw is a road in Newcastle.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broomielaw
>
> Photo here -
>
> http://www.glasgowhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Lancelot-and-
> Sultana-at-the-Broomielaw-1.jpg

Those are really unusual looking boats, what would normally be their cargo,
@soupdragon ?

cheers....Jeff


JeffreyHamilton

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Jan 21, 2015, 7:12:51 PM1/21/15
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Ok, looking at the other page that you posted I found this photo and
discovered that they are known as paddle tug's.
Now the shape makes sense, to me....
http://www.glasgowhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Clyde-Princes-Dock-Paddle-Tug.jpg

cheers....Jeff


grand...@gmail.com

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Bits and stockings. Bits meaning boots.

matho...@gmail.com

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Also sung in the movie 'The Great Escape' by Gordon Jackson and Angus Lennie on the 4th of July.

gchapm...@gmail.com

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On Tuesday, February 4, 2003 at 4:20:56 AM UTC-5, ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> Anyone have the words of this song ?
> Can't find it anywhere on-line.
>
> -- The Despicable Stewart
> -- Perfidious Alban
> -- http://www.ian.stewart.ukgateway.net/informer.htm

Elaine's words are correct. Same tune as "Wa Saw the 42nd" (bagpipe theme to Wee Willie Winkie, starring Shirley Temple).

The Phantom Piper

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On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 12:20:17 AM UTC-7, gchapm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Elaine's words are correct. Same tune as "Wa Saw the 42nd"
> (bagpipe theme to Wee Willie Winkie, starring Shirley Temple).

You are responding to a more-than-16-year-old post.


Less Dead Than This Thread,

The Phantom Piper

jacqueline...@yahoo.co.uk

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On Tuesday, 4 February 2003 09:20:56 UTC, ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> Anyone have the words of this song ?
> Can't find it anywhere on-line.
>
> -- The Despicable Stewart
> -- Perfidious Alban
> -- http://www.ian.stewart.ukgateway.net/informer.htm

Wha' saw the tattie howkers,
Wha' saw them gang awa'?
Wha' saw the tattie howkers,
Marching through the Broomielaw?

Some of them had boots and stockings,
Some of them had nane at a',
Some of them had tartan trussers
Marching through the Broomielaw.

Elaine

The Phantom Piper

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On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 8:46:02 AM UTC-7, jacqueline...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> Wha' saw the tattie howkers,
> Wha' saw them gang awa'?
> Wha' saw the tattie howkers,
> Marching through the Broomielaw?
>
> Some of them had boots and stockings,
> Some of them had nane at a',
> Some of them had tartan trussers
> Marching through the Broomielaw.

Ian passed away some years ago.

And the question you are responding to
was posted _more than 16 years ago_.

But hey, if it melts your butter then
by all means, necro away...


Bemused,

The Phantom Piper


Adam Whyte-Settlar

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Oct 29, 2019, 5:15:11 AM10/29/19
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So what if it was posted 16 years ago?
I posted loads of stuff about global heating 16 years ago and it all turned out to be spot on.

S Viemeister

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On 10/29/2019 9:15 AM, Adam Whyte-Settlar wrote:

> So what if it was posted 16 years ago?
> I posted loads of stuff about global heating 16 years ago and it all turned out to be spot on.
>
Long time no see.
Are you in NZ now, or Australia?

The Phantom Piper

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On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 2:15:11 AM UTC-7, Adam Whyte-Settlar wrote:
>
> So what if it was posted 16 years ago?

It is *my* job to haunt these battlements, and taking
action against unprovoked Necromantic Activity is an
important part of that job!

> I posted loads of stuff about global heating 16
> years ago and it all turned out to be spot on.

Yes...yes... And our warnings about creeping Fascism
are proving to have been all too canny as well. We
told them: "It CAN happen here! It CAN happen here!"
and lo, the fascists are no longer even troubling
themselves to be 'Crypto-' anymore...


Preparing For Kristallnacht Mark-2,

The Phantom Piper

Fifeshire Floozie

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Mar 25, 2020, 9:19:09 PM3/25/20
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On Tuesday, February 4, 2003 at 4:20:56 AM UTC-5, ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> Anyone have the words of this song ?
> Can't find it anywhere on-line.
>
> -- The Despicable Stewart
> -- Perfidious Alban
> -- http://www.ian.stewart.ukgateway.net/informer.htm

I can't believe you're still haunting scs :)

Fifeshire Floozie

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Mar 25, 2020, 9:46:29 PM3/25/20
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On Tuesday, February 4, 2003 at 4:20:56 AM UTC-5, ian-s...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> Anyone have the words of this song ?
> Can't find it anywhere on-line.
>
> -- The Despicable Stewart
> -- Perfidious Alban
> -- http://www.ian.stewart.ukgateway.net/informer.htm

Wha saw the tattie howkers? Wha saw them gaun awa?
Wha saw the tatttie howkers merchin doon the Broomielaw?
Some o them had boots an stockins
Some o them had nane at aa
Some o them had a wee drop whisky
For tae keep the cauld awa

The Phantom Piper

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Mar 25, 2020, 11:35:49 PM3/25/20
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On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 6:19:09 PM UTC-7, Fifeshire Floozie wrote:
>
> I can't believe you're still haunting scs :)

Enh, it's a Living...

Nice to see you!


Frae The Battlements,

The Phantom Piper

Dan Grant

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Jul 30, 2020, 5:55:39 PM7/30/20
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The version I remember is:
Wha' saw the tattie howkers?
Wha' saw them gang awa?
Wha' saw the tattie howkers?
ganging doon the Brimielaw.

Same o" them hod picks an" shovels
Same o' them hod nan atall.
Same o' them hod umbrellas
just to keep the rain awa.

The other versions seem to be taken from the 42nd Highlander (Black Watch) rendition.
But us Gordons didnee use them
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