Is Religion Tripe?
Glenallan
MacRobert
<.glenal...@yahoo.co.uk> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:
>Maybe.
>
It takes guts to prove it, though.
MacR
Jim Stewart
"MacRobert" <2...@mendment.Right!> wrote in message
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Perhaps it is a bunch of carp.
Jim Stewart
His Lawyer
in history. Just don't tell the billions
of suckers - they might cotton-on to our
scam.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
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> Maybe.
>
I recently met a guy who does not believe in Evolution *or* Creation theory!
To use Kiwi terminology he is a 'full-on, hard-case, fringy', but I have to
admire his originality.
His ideas are a bit edgy even for me but it is refreshing to meet someone
who thinks outside the circle.
A W-S
Douglas Clark
there is absolutely no truth in it.
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Jim Stewart
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> The problem is our brains are programmed for religion by evolution when
> there is absolutely no truth in it.
If there is no truth to it how did our brains get "programmed" ?
Are you suggesting we caught some virus of mass delusion?
What alternatives do you suggest?
Jim Stewart
neepy
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Religion is the source of all imaginable follies and disturbances; it
is the parent of fanaticism and civil discord; it is the enemy of
mankind. - Voltaire
The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason. - Ben Franklin
Man is quite insane. He wouldn't know how to create a maggot, and he
creates Gods by the dozen. - Michel de Montaigne
So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in
praise of intelligence; and in this respect ministers of religion
follow gospel authority more closely than in some others. - Bertrand
Russell
There was a time when religion ruled the world. It is known as the
Dark Ages.
- R.H. Green
Where knowledge ends, religion begins. - Disraeli
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction. - Blaise Pascal
The fact that a believer is happier than a sceptic is no more to the
point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. -
G.B. Shaw
Douglas Clark
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Ian Smith
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> Maybe.
>
>
I thought wee slices of funny meat soaked in gravy were tripe.
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> Maybe.
>
"If it wasn't for the dark ages, we would be exploring the
nearest star systems by now."
"The truth is that we are all merely a collection of molecules,
so crafted by a process of continuous evolution, that our
complexity might suggest some higher intelligence at work;
but the truth still stands."
"Objective, scientific reasoning is the torch by which we
illuminate the dark corners of superstition, religion and myth."
"I prefer to believe in modern scientific knowledge, rather than
some obscure stories written 2 thousand years ago."
-- IS
Michilín
As far as I'm concerned, Scotland will be reborn when the last
minister is strangled with the last copy of the Sunday Post.
Tom Nairn.
Michilín
Jim Stewart
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> It is much, much worse than "tripe".
Do you always quote out of context or does a thought pop into your schoolboy
brain?
Jim Stewart
neepy
What are his beliefs then? Is he one of the "intelligent design" lot?
Adam Whyte-Settlar
Well he did try to tell me but he lost me after about three seconds.
I'll be seeing him again next week so I'll try again.
A W-S
neepy
The OP asked "Is religion tripe?"
I replied that it is "much, much worse than tripe".
Explain how I was "quoting out of context". If you can.
Jim Stewart
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> "Jim Stewart" <ste...@ceet.niu.edu> wrote in message
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> > "neepy" <dsuthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > It is much, much worse than "tripe".
> >
> > Do you always quote out of context or does a thought pop into your
schoolboy
> > brain?
> >
> > Jim Stewart
>
> The OP asked "Is religion tripe?"
>
> I replied that it is "much, much worse than tripe".
>
> Explain how I was "quoting out of context". If you can.
I did not think that "much much worse than tripe" was any
sort of a logical arguement, merely a dimbulb afterthought to the
series of contextual 15-word quotes you haphazzardly strung
together in the same message.
Other that the apparent dislike you have for "religion" do you
have anything original to say on the topic? Or perhaps you have
some incident that religion has harmed either you personally or
some one you actually know.
Which of the three tennents of religion do you find so dangerously
repulsive:
Faith
Hope
Charity.
If you do not have enough original thought to make a cohesive paragraph or
even a sentance, I have left you a little space to fill in the blank.
Jim Stewart
Robert Peffers
Perhaps, like me he hates the unwritten, but very obvious, rules of every
religion that ever was.
Kill everyone that disagrees with you, is of a different faith than yours,
comes from a different sept of your religion and especially if they don't
have any religion.
Just think of all those savages who were killed by the Christians, the
Infidels, the Catholics killed by Protestants, the Protestants killed by
Catholics. Add into the mix Crusades, Witch burning, Jews into ovens. and so
on and it looks very like Religion has probably killed more people than
anything except illness and disease.
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Douglas Clark
slaughtered and ate the Neanderthals.
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Jim Stewart
> And the latest thinking is that the religious Cro Magnons, our ancestors,
> slaughtered and ate the Neanderthals.
>
>
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> > >
> > > "neepy" <dsuthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > "Jim Stewart" <ste...@ceet.niu.edu> wrote in message
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> > > > > > It is much, much worse than "tripe".
See, if they just had religion they would have only slaughtered the
Neanderthals. We would have tombstones and shrines and great
works of art both documented and performed to celebrate the
salvation of the Cro-Magnons from the viscious Nandolls...
What a great thing religion is for mankind. Kind of uplifting
Jim Stewart
Douglas Clark
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> And the latest thinking is that the religious Cro Magnons, our ancestors,
> slaughtered and ate the Neanderthals.
>
And I forgot to say that if you combine Robin Dunbar's thinking in 'The
Human Story' with David Horrobin's theory in 'The Madness of Adam and Eve'
then you will see that religion probably only arrived in the world with the
mutation that produced modern man 150,000 years ago, and the poor old
Neanderthals got none of it. That was why it was so easy for us to kill them
off although they had been around for 350,000 years. The DNA proof that we
were cannibals was in last week's New Scientist.
Madra Dubh
You might want to check some of the findings at Neanderthal burial sites.
Douglas Clark
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Madra Dubh
What they have found (but with some argument) are gravesites containing the
pollen and such of flowers.
From this it has been extrapolated that internment was occurring with some
sort of ceremony accompanying it.
For a very long time it was thought the Neanderthal simply flung grammaw's
bones to the back of the cave and on with the feast.
MacRobert
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Mut?
Madra Dubh
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The implication here is that the Neadethals had no religion yet there is
evidence (hotly contested by some) that said Neaderthals not only buried
their dead but also placed red ochre and flowers in their graves.
MacRobert
But weren't stone carvings of Mut, the earth mother, found in
Neanderthal sites?
Looks like a fat ol'hogger with no head.
Stephen
Douglas Clark
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Douglas Clark
for religious purposes.
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Elaine Goldberg
Douglas Clark wrote:
>They still seem to be arguing about
> Neanderthal burial sites.
Speaking of Neanderthal burial sites, did you ever read "Ember From The
Sun"?
http://www.campusi.com/price_0440224306.htm
I used to listen to books on tape while on the job. It's been years
since I heard this, but I loved it!
Elaine
Mike MacKinnon
> Maybe.
Well, it's well known that I think religion is tripe. Personally, I
don't feel the need for the psychological crutch that it seems to
provide. If you (and I mean the collective 'you') do, then be my
guest. I have nothing against religion per se, just the eejits that
seem to think that they have found the answers when they don't even
understand the questions.
And as for the creationists, well, words fail me. I seem to remember
that there was some medieval bishop who decided that the earth was
born in 4004BC. Does this still hold water among the creationists?
There again, like most loony philosophies, creationism was born in the
U$.
Anyone for a Scopes Monkey Trial?
M
Adam Whyte-Settlar
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> "Glenallan" <.glenal...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > Maybe.
>
>
> Well, it's well known that I think religion is tripe. Personally, I
> don't feel the need for the psychological crutch that it seems to
> provide. If you (and I mean the collective 'you') do, then be my
> guest. I have nothing against religion per se, just the eejits that
> seem to think that they have found the answers when they don't even
> understand the questions.
Hear hear - I almost understood one of the questions briefly - it took me a
year and a half of daily meditation and Hatha Yoga but I nearly got it. But
then I thought - 'I'm brilliant - I almost understand one of the questions'
and it all went to **** again. Bugger!
> And as for the creationists, well, words fail me. I seem to remember
> that there was some medieval bishop who decided that the earth was
> born in 4004BC. Does this still hold water among the creationists?
It certainly does - I mentioned a few months back that a sensible and decent
old Kiwi chap and I were discussing the comparative merits of various stone
building materials and I happened to make reference to Scottish Torridonian
Sandstone (Devonian period, Moine series) as being one of the oldest
materials available at 600,000,028 years old.
He politely informed me I was talking 'crip' as the oldest stone was only
6008 years old.
Never mind - more Californians believe they have been abducted by aliens
than believe in evolution.
I believe them.
After all - it's just about as plausable as anything anyone else has come up
with.
A W-S
Ian Morrison
> It certainly does - I mentioned a few months back that a sensible and decent
> old Kiwi chap and I were discussing the comparative merits of various stone
> building materials and I happened to make reference to Scottish Torridonian
> Sandstone (Devonian period, Moine series) as being one of the oldest
> materials available at 600,000,028 years old.
> He politely informed me I was talking 'crip' as the oldest stone was only
> 6008 years old.
You were talking "crip" - the Torridonian Sandstone dates from around
1,000,000,000 years ago (give or take a few decades). It is not
Devonian, it is Precambrian.
See, for example
http://www.earth.ox.ac.uk/~oesis/nws/loc-assynt.html
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> > It certainly does - I mentioned a few months back that a sensible and
decent
> > old Kiwi chap and I were discussing the comparative merits of various
stone
> > building materials and I happened to make reference to Scottish
Torridonian
> > Sandstone (Devonian period, Moine series) as being one of the oldest
> > materials available at 600,000,028 years old.
> > He politely informed me I was talking 'crip' as the oldest stone was
only
> > 6008 years old.
>
> You were talking "crip" - the Torridonian Sandstone dates from around
> 1,000,000,000 years ago (give or take a few decades). It is not
> Devonian, it is Precambrian.
Man! That really p***** me off.
I've believed for hundreds of millions of years that it was 600,000,000
years old when I was in my twenties.
I don't understand how I ****** that one up because I distinctly remember
checking it out on a geological map at Uni' and even wrote about it in an
essay. Further research is required I feel.
Oh well - at least I was 200,000,028 years closer than my sensible and
decent Kiwi nutcase friend.
A W-S
Madra Dubh
"MacRobert" <2...@mendment.Right!> wrote in message
Stephen, that I hadn't heard.
I do know the stylized figure of a rather plump woman was found all over
everywhere.
Hate to be all that imprecise but I can only remember their finding the wee
statues in Europe and the Middle East.
Madra Dubh
Hey, the last one was an absolute hoot.
A little warm in the court room though.
Ian Morrison
> Man! That really p***** me off.
> I've believed for hundreds of millions of years that it was 600,000,000
> years old when I was in my twenties.
You were maybe thinking of the Cambrian quartzite which caps many of the
highest peaks in the North West - lying on top of the Torridonian
sandstone. That's about 600,000,028 years old.
The "Old Red Sandstone" of, for example, parts of Easter Ross and Moray,
is Devonian in age - about 400,000,000 years old. It was in a chert
(fossilised soil) of that age that the earliest known air-breathing
terrestrial creature (a very unassuming millipede-like beastie) was
found at Cowie, near Stonehaven.
> I don't understand how I ****** that one up because I distinctly remember
> checking it out on a geological map at Uni' and even wrote about it in an
> essay. Further research is required I feel.
I think you'll find that I am right in this case. I often am.
Lesley Robertson
>
> I think you'll find that I am right in this case. I often am.
>
Anonymous of Delft
MacRobert
Well, I saw "Clan of the Cave Bear" and Ayla looked very svelt, so we
can rule her out.
MacR
MacRobert
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>"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Man! That really p***** me off.
>> I've believed for hundreds of millions of years that it was 600,000,000
>> years old when I was in my twenties.
>
>You were maybe thinking of the Cambrian quartzite which caps many of the
>highest peaks in the North West - lying on top of the Torridonian
>sandstone. That's about 600,000,028 years old.
>
>The "Old Red Sandstone" of, for example, parts of Easter Ross and Moray,
>is Devonian in age - about 400,000,000 years old. It was in a chert
>(fossilised soil) of that age that the earliest known air-breathing
>terrestrial creature (a very unassuming millipede-like beastie) was
>found at Cowie, near Stonehaven.
>
<gasp>
Can you imagine what it cost that poor thing to buy 500 kilts?
MacR
Glenallan
Why do you speak in asterisks
all over the place.
Like people in Lanarkshire say....
"Away and asterisk yourself" or
"I will asterisk you right on the jaw"
"Don't aterisk me around, Pal"
Or the lassie who said to the soldier,
"I'd love you to asterisk me"
Actually it is more insulting as one
set of asterisks can be used
for at least four different swear words.
If you really mean Tosh, you should say Tosh.
Frankly, I think you nurse a secret desire
to use lots of F words and B words.
but you know that would upset me.
G
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> "Mike MacKinnon" <mac...@eircom.net> wrote in message
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> > > Maybe.
> >
> >
> > Well, it's well known that I think religion is tripe. Personally, I
> > don't feel the need for the psychological crutch that it seems to
> > provide. If you (and I mean the collective 'you') do, then be my
> > guest. I have nothing against religion per se, just the eejits that
> > seem to think that they have found the answers when they don't even
> > understand the questions.
>
> Hear hear - I almost understood one of the questions briefly - it took me a
> year and a half of daily meditation and Hatha Yoga but I nearly got it. But
> then I thought - 'I'm brilliant - I almost understand one of the questions'
> and it all went to **** again. Bugger!
> <snip>
>
> A W-S
Keep working at it, my son..
It is not to understand the question but to understand the answer...
" HeyHeyHey! Pic-a-nic baskets!" ~ Yogi Bear
Ian Morrison
> Keep working at it, my son..
> It is not to understand the question but to understand the answer...
Well, I think we are all aware that the answer is 42.
>
>
> " HeyHeyHey! Pic-a-nic baskets!" ~ Yogi Bear
What's that got to do with the price of fish?
(Unless we're talking tuna sandwiches etc. in those picnic baskets, of
course)
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Madra Dubh
"MacRobert" <2...@mendment.Right!> wrote in message
I've read two of her books and saw the movie.
Is the dear lady still writing?
Madra Dubh
"MacRobert" <2...@mendment.Right!> wrote in message
But think of all the manly knees it could flash.
Madra Dubh
I'm surprised you'd make such a statement,Rick's comment being so
existential.
Rick
> Rick wrote:
>
> > Keep working at it, my son..
> > It is not to understand the question but to understand the answer...
>
> Well, I think we are all aware that the answer is 42.
>
Ah! But do you *comprehend* the answer?
> > " HeyHeyHey! Pic-a-nic baskets!" ~ Yogi Bear
>
> What's that got to do with the price of fish?
Or the price of Eggs in China?
> (Unless we're talking tuna sandwiches etc. in those picnic baskets, of
> course)
>
> ------
> Ian O.
Yogi is the only Yoga I know...
Well, I don't really know him, but I watched him a lot on t.v.
Loved the sound effect of running bear feet....
Rick
Yep. That's me! I'd still be an Istential only there's no money in it.
Hey! Ya gotta make a living...
Madra Dubh
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> woman Jean Auel could write some steamy sex scenes featuring Ayla and
> Jondalar. One of my fondest -- though now distant -- memories is of an
old
> girfriend who would read those passages to me in bed, and then we would
act
> them out. It was great fun, but, alas, she eventually ditched me for some
> girlie-man (Arnie Schwartzenegger's word, not mine) with lots of money.
> Just as well, I suppose.
Things always seem to turn out for the best or so it seems to the old Mad
Dog.
Madra Dubh
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I gotta couple of old black berets and an espresso machine.
Wanna grow beards and open a coffee shop there in Dahlonega?
Rick
> I gotta couple of old black berets and an espresso machine.
> Wanna grow beards and open a coffee shop there in Dahlonega?
Hell, Conway! We couldn't afford the rent!!
Jim Stewart
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Jim Stewart
Jim Stewart
> Ian Morrison wrote:
>
> > Rick wrote:
> >
> > > Keep working at it, my son..
> > > It is not to understand the question but to understand the answer...
> >
> > Well, I think we are all aware that the answer is 42.
Oh, that is so much better than 36....
Jim Stewart
Jim Stewart
Jim Stewart
MacRobert
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>
>"MacHamish" <rus...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:57:29 GMT, "Madra Dubh" <cca...@worldnet.att.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"MacRobert" <2...@mendment.Right!> wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> Well, I saw "Clan of the Cave Bear" and Ayla looked very svelt, so we
>> >> can rule her out.
>> >
>> >I've read two of her books and saw the movie.
>> >Is the dear lady still writing?
>>
>> Oh yes. I think there are now four books in the series. I tell ya, that
>> woman Jean Auel could write some steamy sex scenes featuring Ayla and
>> Jondalar. One of my fondest -- though now distant -- memories is of an
>old
>> girfriend who would read those passages to me in bed, and then we would
>act
>> them out. It was great fun, but, alas, she eventually ditched me for some
>> girlie-man (Arnie Schwartzenegger's word, not mine) with lots of money.
>> Just as well, I suppose.
>
>Things always seem to turn out for the best or so it seems to the old Mad
>Dog.
>
Just about the only thing from "The Mammoth Hunters" that I recall was
a recipe for tanning white leather. First, save your morning's first
piss in a bucket...
Dunno why, but every day for years now I look down and think "I could
be tanning leather with this!"
MacRobert
MacRobert
<ste...@ceet.niu.edu> paused to reflect but wrote anyway:
But both wrong. The answer is to enjoy every sandwich.
MacRobert
Adam Whyte-Settlar
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>
> > Man! That really p***** me off.
> > I've believed for hundreds of millions of years that it was 600,000,000
> > years old when I was in my twenties.
>
> You were maybe thinking of the Cambrian quartzite which caps many of the
> highest peaks in the North West - lying on top of the Torridonian
> sandstone. That's about 600,000,028 years old.
>
> The "Old Red Sandstone" of, for example, parts of Easter Ross and Moray,
> is Devonian in age - about 400,000,000 years old.
That's the stuff! - Tarradale Sandstone not Torridonian Sandstone. At least
that way I'm only 199,999,982 years out. Not bad.
Yeah - it's the stuff Redcastle on the Black Isle is built from I think.
Tarradale house is just a few miles along the road. It used to be a major
industry. In fact a lot of the buildings in Inverness were built with it,
Ferried across the Firth it was. The old jetty is still there near the
quarry site. Beautifull stuff to work with. Splits along the horizontal
plane dead easy and you can get a rough face on it with just a bolster and a
careful aim.
There is a golden yellow one too.
A W-S
josiah-...@dsl.pipex.com
Stewart" <ste...@ceet.niu.edu> :
Not really !
Six of one, half-a-dozen of the other !
-- The Despicable Stewart
-- Perfidious Alban
-- http://www.ian-stewart.dsl.pipex.com/
Ian Morrison
> That's the stuff! - Tarradale Sandstone not Torridonian Sandstone. At least
> that way I'm only 199,999,982 years out. Not bad.
199,999,972 years, to be exact.
> Yeah - it's the stuff Redcastle on the Black Isle is built from I think.
> Tarradale house is just a few miles along the road. It used to be a major
> industry. In fact a lot of the buildings in Inverness were built with it,
> Ferried across the Firth it was. The old jetty is still there near the
> quarry site. Beautifull stuff to work with. Splits along the horizontal
> plane dead easy and you can get a rough face on it with just a bolster and a
> careful aim.
Upon checking your "facts", I see that a great geologist, Sir Roderick
Impey Murchison, no less, was born at Tarradale. One of those employed
on his Geological Survey was John Horne who, with Benjamin Peach, was
responsible for sorting out the geology of the very North West Highlands
with which we started this little discussion. John Horne was a
contemporary of my Morrison ancestors in the Campsie area and his grave
is not a million miles from that of my great-grandparents in the
churchyard at Lennoxtown.
Lesley Robertson
> Rick wrote:
>
> > Keep working at it, my son..
> > It is not to understand the question but to understand the answer...
>
> Well, I think we are all aware that the answer is 42.
>
> >
> >
> > " HeyHeyHey! Pic-a-nic baskets!" ~ Yogi Bear
>
> What's that got to do with the price of fish?
> (Unless we're talking tuna sandwiches etc. in those picnic baskets, of
> course)
Yellow ducks and hairdressing equipment in there, if I remember rightly!
Lesley Robertson
Madra Dubh
"MacRobert" <2...@mendment.Right!> wrote in message
I didn't realize iodine had tanning properties.
Madra Dubh
The way the courts are running these days, we could file a suit and reclaim
the land.
'Course I'm Upper Town and might not have a claim.
Madra Dubh
"Jim Stewart" <ste...@ceet.niu.edu> wrote in message
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Oh Brother Jim.....
Oh brother where art thou?
Mike MacKinnon
Or even a beetrick???
M
Adam Whyte-Settlar
> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gb2Lc.9370$NA1.8...@news02.tsnz.net
>
> > That's the stuff! - Tarradale Sandstone not Torridonian Sandstone. At
least
> > that way I'm only 199,999,982 years out. Not bad.
>
> 199,999,972 years, to be exact.
Oh B*lls to it. I was pissed when I wrote that.
> > Yeah - it's the stuff Redcastle on the Black Isle is built from I think.
> > Tarradale house is just a few miles along the road. It used to be a
major
> > industry. In fact a lot of the buildings in Inverness were built with
it,
> > Ferried across the Firth it was. The old jetty is still there near the
> > quarry site. Beautifull stuff to work with. Splits along the horizontal
> > plane dead easy and you can get a rough face on it with just a bolster
and a
> > careful aim.
>
> Upon checking your "facts",
So is Tarradale Sandstone from the Moine series?
> I see that a great geologist, Sir Roderick
> Impey Murchison, no less, was born at Tarradale.
> One of those employed
> on his Geological Survey was John Horne who, with Benjamin Peach, was
> responsible for sorting out the geology of the very North West Highlands
> with which we started this little discussion. John Horne was a
> contemporary of my Morrison ancestors in the Campsie area and his grave
> is not a million miles from that of my great-grandparents in the
> churchyard at Lennoxtown.
The Highlands are a Mecca for geology students apparently - very complex
stuff thereabouts you know - even I can get it slightly wrong occasionally.
I was ten years out on my calculation last night in fact.
A W-S
Ian Morrison
> Oh B*lls to it. I was pissed when I wrote that.
There seems to be a trend emerging on s.c.s. lately of regulars posting
when p*ssed or hung over. Perhaps we should all observe a few days of
sobriety to enable our brains and livers (not to mention other bits
which resemble one subject of this thread) to recover?
Did someone not once say that "Tripe is the opiate of the people", or
something like that?
> So is Tarradale Sandstone from the Moine series?
If by "Moine series" you mean the Moine schists, no. IIRC, they are
reckoned to be roughly the same age as the Torridonian sandstone. They
are thrust over the Cambrian and preceding rocks, most visibly at
Knockan Cliff, where there is a geological trail. That event took place
during the great Caledonian Orogeny about 500 million years ago. The
earliest Devonian rocks are usually conglomerates formed as a result of
the rapid erosion of the young Caledonian mountain chain.
>
> > I see that a great geologist, Sir Roderick
> > Impey Murchison, no less, was born at Tarradale.
> > One of those employed
> > on his Geological Survey was John Horne who, with Benjamin Peach, was
> > responsible for sorting out the geology of the very North West Highlands
> > with which we started this little discussion. John Horne was a
> > contemporary of my Morrison ancestors in the Campsie area and his grave
> > is not a million miles from that of my great-grandparents in the
> > churchyard at Lennoxtown.
>
> The Highlands are a Mecca for geology students apparently
I had many happy field trips there as a student. The first year Easter
field trip took us to Ullapool, where it rained continuously for a week.
Many of my fellow students were not adequately equipped for that and I'm
sure it put most of them off geology for life.
> - very complex
> stuff thereabouts you know - even I can get it slightly wrong occasionally.
Shock! Horror! AW-S admits to being "slightly wrong"!
It can happen to the best of us....
Adam Whyte-Settlar
> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Kd8Lc.9441$NA1.8...@news02.tsnz.net
>
> > Oh B*lls to it. I was pissed when I wrote that.
>
> There seems to be a trend emerging on s.c.s. lately of regulars posting
> when p*ssed or hung over. Perhaps we should all observe a few days of
> sobriety to enable our brains and livers (not to mention other bits
> which resemble one subject of this thread) to recover?
>
> Did someone not once say that "Tripe is the opiate of the people", or
> something like that?
Your thinking of 'The Woman's Weekly'
> > So is Tarradale Sandstone from the Moine series?
>
> If by "Moine series" you mean the Moine schists, no. IIRC, they are
> reckoned to be roughly the same age as the Torridonian sandstone.
I've spent the best part of half an hour rummaging through my old study
notes in the darkest recesses of my hard drive. To give you an idea of how
long ago I wrote them they are in 'Claris Works' format.
Well - sod it all - I can't find the essay but somehow I had it in my head
that there was a succession of metasedimentary sandstone rock formations
known as the 'Moine series' (gaelic for marsh or bog I believe) that
constituted part of the Devonian deposits (which I rediscovered from my
'writings' date from 350 to 400 million years ago). But my brain must have
floundered in the primordial soup somewhere 'cos none of it makes sense now
that I come to check it out.
Weird eh? I must have been pissed when I wrote that essay too.
I've decided that from now on I will convert to the creationism and
absolutely insist that *all* rocks are 6,008 years old.
The veil has been lifted and I can finally appreciate the simplistic
attraction of the theory now - I must have been blinded by Satan all these
millions of years.
> > The Highlands are a Mecca for geology students apparently
>
> I had many happy field trips there as a student. The first year Easter
> field trip took us to Ullapool, where it rained continuously for a week.
Wow - no horizontal sleet and hail - you were indeed blessed.
> Many of my fellow students were not adequately equipped for that and I'm
> sure it put most of them off geology for life.
>
> > - very complex
> > stuff thereabouts you know - even I can get it slightly wrong
occasionally.
>
> Shock! Horror! AW-S admits to being "slightly wrong"!
Steady on now - I didn't 'admit' to 'being' "slightly wrong" I merely stated
that I 'can' be.
Geology just totally blows me away. I think it might be related to landscape
gardening on a deeply philosophical level.
I remember standing astride an unconformity somewhere in the hills near
Foyers on Loch Ness side - my feet straddling about 400,000,028 years,
during which time a massive 25,028 ft high mountain range had been born, had
risen, and then been eroded to nothing only by the gentle breeze and the
wear from birds wiping traces of wormguts from their beaks.
You and I (as brilliant geologists) are priviliged to be among the small
band of men that can understand mountains are, in reality, merely liquids.
A W-S
Ian Morrison
> I've spent the best part of half an hour rummaging through my old study
> notes in the darkest recesses of my hard drive. To give you an idea of how
> long ago I wrote them they are in 'Claris Works' format.
> Well - sod it all - I can't find the essay but somehow I had it in my head
> that there was a succession of metasedimentary sandstone rock formations
> known as the 'Moine series' (gaelic for marsh or bog I believe) that
> constituted part of the Devonian deposits (which I rediscovered from my
> 'writings' date from 350 to 400 million years ago). But my brain must have
> floundered in the primordial soup somewhere 'cos none of it makes sense now
> that I come to check it out.
That is the Moine Schists, and they are much older than the Devonian.
There used to be some debate over their exact age, but I'm not sure if
that has been resolved now. Your memory is correct in the sense that the
original sediments were metamorphosed into schists in the early stages
of the Caledonian Orogeny, then the whole lot was thrust over the
Cambrian, Torridonian and Lewisian stuff, approximately 420 million
years ago.
Picture at
http://earth.leeds.ac.uk/assynt/stac8.htm
> Weird eh? I must have been pissed when I wrote that essay too.
> I've decided that from now on I will convert to the creationism and
> absolutely insist that *all* rocks are 6,008 years old.
You will have to remember to up that number every year. I think the
original date calculated by Ussher was sometime in October, so you need
to establish what that is and add one to the number of years on every
subsequent anniversary. In fact you could make the event an excuse for a
wee celebration, and throw a party.
> Steady on now - I didn't 'admit' to 'being' "slightly wrong" I merely stated
> that I 'can' be.
>
> Geology just totally blows me away. I think it might be related to landscape
> gardening on a deeply philosophical level.
> I remember standing astride an unconformity somewhere in the hills near
> Foyers on Loch Ness side - my feet straddling about 400,000,028 years,
> during which time a massive 25,028 ft high mountain range had been born, had
> risen, and then been eroded to nothing only by the gentle breeze and the
> wear from birds wiping traces of wormguts from their beaks.
> You and I (as brilliant geologists) are priviliged to be among the small
> band of men that can understand mountains are, in reality, merely liquids.
D*mned solid "liquids" until acted on by the titanic forces of Nature!
I consider the whole of human history, not just landscape gardening, to
be little more than a bit of scratching around on the surface of our
planet, moving rock from one place to another.
josiah-...@dsl.pipex.com
Morrison" <iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> :
>"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:Kd8Lc.9441$NA1.8...@news02.tsnz.net
>
>> Oh B*lls to it. I was pissed when I wrote that.
>
>There seems to be a trend emerging on s.c.s. lately of regulars posting
>when p*ssed or hung over. Perhaps we should all observe a few days of
>sobriety to enable our brains and livers (not to mention other bits
>which resemble one subject of this thread) to recover?
G**d G*d man !!
Voluntary Sobriety on scs ?
Shirley Yugest ?
>
>Did someone not once say that "Tripe is the opiate of the people", or
>something like that?
Almost there.
Tony B Liar, " The _opinion_ of the people is tripe."
Snipped all the stuff about you and A W-S reminiscing
about the good old days when the rocks were all new.
Madra Dubh
That should cure him of his monkey shines.
Madra Dubh
Bee Wolf?
Madra Dubh
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:03:31 GMT, "Madra Dubh" <cca...@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Oops, hush my fingers.
At least you didn't make a slip and type "Iran".
Madra Dubh
Could we not use the word "Mecca" please?
Not that I'm attempting to silence you or anything.
Ian Morrison
> Could we not use the word "Mecca" please?
Well that's b*gg*red the ballroom dancing thread I was going to start....
------
Ian O.
Madra Dubh
> Madra Dubh wrote:
>
>
> > Could we not use the word "Mecca" please?
>
> Well that's b*gg*red the ballroom dancing thread I was going to start....
>
Well it's rare indeed that I beat you guys to the punch.
But do Foxtrot on.
Jim Stewart
Depends on whether he has a house full of dunlocks....
Jim Stewart
Elaine Goldberg
Ian O wrote:
>I consider the whole of human history,
> not just landscape gardening, to be little
> more than a bit of scratching around on
> the surface of our planet, moving rock
> from one place to another.
Very well. But, do you consider creationism to be simply a convenient
theory for people with hangovers the way A W-S seems to be suggesting?
Not that I'm arguing with him, you understand.
Elaine
Elaine Goldberg
Conway wrote:
>Bee Wolf?
Bea Benedaret?
Elaine
Elaine Goldberg
Conway wrote:
>Well it's rare indeed that I beat you guys
> to the punch. But do Foxtrot on.
You're not trying to (insidiously) start up a fox hunting thread are
you?
Elaine
Madra Dubh
Madra Dubh
"Elaine Goldberg" <ElaineF...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>
> Conway wrote:
>
> >Bee Wolf?
>
> Bea Benedaret?
Aunt Bea?
Madra Dubh
No way, Elaine
You saw what they did to AWS over plugging Flopsie, Mopsie, and Cottontail..
Can you imagine the punishment that would be meted out over stories of Fox
killing?
S Viemeister
Aultbea?
Michilín
<grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Ian Morrison" <iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:deeeb4198bff066084...@mygate.mailgate.org...
>> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:WcPKc.9241$NA1.8...@news02.tsnz.net
>>
>> > Man! That really p***** me off.
>> > I've believed for hundreds of millions of years that it was 600,000,000
>> > years old when I was in my twenties.
>>
>> You were maybe thinking of the Cambrian quartzite which caps many of the
>> highest peaks in the North West - lying on top of the Torridonian
>> sandstone. That's about 600,000,028 years old.
>>
>> The "Old Red Sandstone" of, for example, parts of Easter Ross and Moray,
>> is Devonian in age - about 400,000,000 years old.
>
>That's the stuff! - Tarradale Sandstone not Torridonian Sandstone. At least
>that way I'm only 199,999,982 years out. Not bad.
>Yeah - it's the stuff Redcastle on the Black Isle is built from I think.
>Tarradale house is just a few miles along the road. It used to be a major
>industry. In fact a lot of the buildings in Inverness were built with it,
>Ferried across the Firth it was. The old jetty is still there near the
>quarry site. Beautifull stuff to work with. Splits along the horizontal
>plane dead easy and you can get a rough face on it with just a bolster and a
>careful aim.
>There is a golden yellow one too.
>A W-S
>
>
Lived in a house built of it for years (well, off and on),
Tarradale House was a fascinating place to visit when I was a kid, It
was loaded with armour and weapons of all kinds and we got to play
with some of it. Court dress swords from the 18th century, that sort
of thing.
I have a feeling it was where our surprise gift of Mongol war arrows
came from - - they could have hated us enough to send two children a
present like that! I shot my brother in the leg with one - he shows
the wound to people at parties apparently - his claim to fame.
Michilín
Michilín
<iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:gb2Lc.9370$NA1.8...@news02.tsnz.net
>
>> That's the stuff! - Tarradale Sandstone not Torridonian Sandstone. At least
>> that way I'm only 199,999,982 years out. Not bad.
>
>199,999,972 years, to be exact.
>
>> Yeah - it's the stuff Redcastle on the Black Isle is built from I think.
>> Tarradale house is just a few miles along the road. It used to be a major
>> industry. In fact a lot of the buildings in Inverness were built with it,
>> Ferried across the Firth it was. The old jetty is still there near the
>> quarry site. Beautifull stuff to work with. Splits along the horizontal
>> plane dead easy and you can get a rough face on it with just a bolster and a
>> careful aim.
>
>Upon checking your "facts", I see that a great geologist, Sir Roderick
>Impey Murchison, no less, was born at Tarradale. One of those employed
>on his Geological Survey was John Horne who, with Benjamin Peach, was
>responsible for sorting out the geology of the very North West Highlands
>with which we started this little discussion. John Horne was a
>contemporary of my Morrison ancestors in the Campsie area and his grave
>is not a million miles from that of my great-grandparents in the
>churchyard at Lennoxtown.
>
That's the name! My brother and I were entertained by the caretaker
and her husband and went back twice to play with the wonderful weapons
collection!
It's built of Tarradale red sandstone all right. Here's a picture:
http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/teaching/tarradale/tarr_photos.html
So is the house for the farm of Tarradale Mains which abuts Tarradale
House and is owned by a man who was probably an old friend of Adam's,
Lord Burton, who was still Michael Baillie of Dochfour when I knew
him.
He's the chap who was hilariously parodied by the West Highland Free
Press when Sir Hereward Wake of Amhuinnsuidhe Castle on Harris wanted
public money to build a new road to keep vulgar passersby from staring
in through Wake's windows. The cash was okayed by Burton in his
capacity as Chairman of the Roads Committee. The Free Press got on his
case and the money was finally returned to where it belonged, in the
public road fund.
Dochfour himself (Dochfour, the place from which he takes his
old-style local nomenclature is a lovely place on Loch Ness side) is a
man of considerable substance in the area. He must be about 95 by now,
but he owns land everywhere.
Actually after having a quick read through the old stately home site,
I don't think he does - it all seems to belong to his son now,
presumably in anticipation of death duties. They've been living there
since the 1400s; a reward from Robert the Bruce to the original
Baillie for services rendered, I believe, but in the back of my mind
is a memory that like the old Earl of Cromartie, and also the old Lord
Lovat I believe, he may have married the daughter of the heiress and
after changing his name, was able to inherit the Barony or whatever it
is through the Scots law allowing females to pass on titles to
unrelated males. Not that that's of any great interest, other than
illustrating the good sense of marrying daughters of the aristocracy,
no matter how gross they look, if you want a luxurious life!
http://www.villawebsite.com/v9/dochfour_house.html
Michilín
Sally
Tripe: A part of the stomach of a ruminant, especially the ox kind,
used as food.
Slang - Any poor, worthless (usually offensive) thing, matter or
person.
Is religion worthless? To whomever considers it such! To others is
is food for the heart and mind of the believer.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Ian Morrison" <iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message .
> > You and I (as brilliant geologists) are priviliged to be among the small
> > band of men that can understand mountains are, in reality, merely
liquids.
>
> D*mned solid "liquids" until acted on by the titanic forces of Nature!
They *are* technically liquid - just not terribly viscous liquid.
I mean in the sense that when continents collide and push up mountain
ranges, once the continental action ceases the mountians 'slump' down again
under their own weight.
Of course they are subject to wind and rain erosion - not to mention those
pesky sparrows cleaning their beaks (in case you are wondering that is how
the Buddha tried to explain the length of an eon) but even without that they
begin to 'sink' of their own volition. So - they are liquid but you would
just have to hang around quite a while in the one spot to notice it. I'm too
busy right now.
A W-S
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Michilín" <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:40fdab85.37057756@news...
.
>
> So is the house for the farm of Tarradale Mains which abuts Tarradale
> House and is owned by a man who was probably an old friend of Adam's,
> Lord Burton, who was still Michael Baillie of Dochfour when I knew
> him.
Burton!! That old b*st*rd! What a repellent ungracious pr*ck he was - hope
he's dead by now.
I found his overbearing arrogance made it impossible to do business with
him. No manners at all.
A W-S
Jim Stewart
Im a mon key
Im a dun lock
Im a dun key
Jim Stewart
Jim Stewart
>
> MacHamish Mór
Did you ever try to dock a boon?
Jim Stewart
Elaine Goldberg
Conway wrote:
>Aunt Bea?
Bea Arthur?
Elaine
Ian Morrison
I met Lord Burton on one occasion, when staying on his campsite at Shiel
Bridge. I have to agree with AW-S, for once, in his character
assessment.
I vaguely recall that he was a beer baron from *ngland - not Scottish at
all. One of those Whyte-Settlars who own vast areas of Scotland, like
Keith Schellenberg, the knackerer's son from Middlesbrough. People
playing at being aristocrats are usually worse than the real thing, in
my experience.
------
Ian O.
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Lesley Robertson
<josiah-...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:b4hqf09j11r90q96a...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:46:11 +0000 (UTC), I read these words from "Ian
> Morrison" <iomor...@yahoo.co.uk> :> >news:Kd8Lc.9441$NA1.8...@news02.tsnz.net
> >
> >> Oh B*lls to it. I was pissed when I wrote that.
> >
> >when p*ssed or hung over. Perhaps we should all observe a few days of
> >sobriety to enable our brains and livers (not to mention other bits
> >which resemble one subject of this thread) to recover?
>
> G**d G*d man !!
> Voluntary Sobriety on scs ?
> Shirley Yugest ?
Can't do it. Clause 2375c of the Consitution requires frequent support for
Scotland's most famous industry.
>
> Almost there.
> Tony B Liar, " The _opinion_ of the people is tripe."
I hope you're wearing sackcloth and ashes.... It was 10 years ago today he
became leader of what used to be the Labour Party and set the stage to take
us under the heel of the imperialist opressors.
Lesley Robertson
neepy
> "neepy" <dsuthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:d4bd1f7c.04071...@posting.google.com...> news:<cdagg3$gm2$1...@usenet.cso.niu.edu>...
> > > "neepy" <dsuthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:d4bd1f7c.04071...@posting.google.com...
> > > > It is much, much worse than "tripe".
> > >
> > > Do you always quote out of context or does a thought pop into your
> schoolboy
> > > brain?
> > >
> > > Jim Stewart
> >
> > The OP asked "Is religion tripe?"
> >
> > I replied that it is "much, much worse than tripe".
> >
> > Explain how I was "quoting out of context". If you can.
>
> I did not think that "much much worse than tripe" was any
> sort of a logical arguement,
No, but it wasn't meant to be. However, if you want to have a
"logical arguement" about religion then I am happy to oblige.
In the meantime, explain how I was "quoting out of context".
> merely a dimbulb afterthought
Nope. The quotes were the "afterthought".
> to the series of contextual 15-word quotes
What is a "contextual quote"? Are you now saying I wasn't quoting out
of context?
> you haphazzardly strung together in the same message.
Seems like your only gripe is that I was able to find quotes by major
thinkers to support my view. It's because I have thought and read
about these things for a long time. You should get an education while
you still can.
>
> Other that the apparent dislike you have for "religion" do you
> have anything original to say on the topic?
Do you?
> Or perhaps you have
> some incident that religion has harmed either you personally or
> some one you actually know.
Not me personally, no. But I've seen people I know reduced to idiotic
arguments by their religion-befuddled minds.
"Why does the Bible matter?"
"Because it is the word of God."
"How do you know it is 'the word of God'?"
"Because it says so in the Bible."
And then there is history. And current affairs.
> Which of the three tennents of religion do you find so dangerously
> repulsive:
>
> Faith
>
> Hope
>
> Charity.
Faith. It means believing something (and acting according to that
belief) when there is no reason to believe. It is childish wishful
thinking.
>
> If you do not have enough original thought to make a cohesive paragraph or
> even a sentance, I have left you a little space to fill in the blank.
The other thing I dislike about the religious is their hypocrisy.
Since when did any religion (and most especially xianity) value
"original thought"?