Why russians are antiamericans so much?
Michael Petukhov
> Russian chauvinists, I have never implied that "Russia has to be destroyed
> because it screws up the US ruining them culturally, financially , morally"
> But since you are a Russian , I even don't ask you to explain why you think
> so, because absurdity, quibbling and hating truth about themselves is a
> part of your Russian nature.
Althought you did not ask I wonna tell you why I (and majority of
russian) are so antiamericans.
Today morning on the way to office I bought as usual Komersant daily
(a business type newspaper similar to Financial Tiles or Wall St. journal).
The article of interest is "Udmurtia (it is a district in Russia, MP)
canceled the funeral".
The story is following:
In 1996 US goverment opened tender for untilization of used solid fuel
engines of US ICBMs which was won by Lockheed Martin. The method is based
on simple firing engines in the low preasure chamber. Fine! The plant
was build in remote place of Nevada desert and was capable of utilizing
of 300 roket engines per year. It start working but immideately stoped
after utilizing of only 18 engines. The reason is simple. It leaded to
huge contamination of the area with dioxines. After that the plant was
offered for free to russian goverment (and was generally accepted) for
utilizing russian (and US) used roket ingines. A good deal, isn't it?
Moreover the plant in Nevada was build in some 250 km from nearest
populated area while in Russia they planed to build it in Vodkinsk in
5km only from residential area and in the territory of plant which
builds famous Topol-M missiles. Not a bad idea? All just for free!
There have been enough Moscow burocrats in Elcine goverment who
attempted to promote this project. But mass protests from local people
forced goverment to cancel this project finnaly.
I think you may now better understand russian antiamericanism.
Michael
ASN
- they always supported all the enemies of us, even the worst ones of the
bandits or thieves, and prosecute the nations and states, who showed an
intention to be friendly with us (White Russia, Jugoslavia etc)
- of their cinema : they have got all the financial resources in that area,
they destroyed the wonderful french cinema and the other ones in Europe, and
what do they produce after that? One good film in 5 years, as maximum, the
rest is designed for the 14-years-old oligophrenes, not more.
- they pushed by us in the years '90-99 the thieves and diversants on the
power, all the monsters like Eltsin, Gaidar, Tchubais, Kozyrev, threatened
us and made hysterics by any danger for them ("the reforms cannot be
fulfilled without the reformators!")... And now they fastidiously screw up
the face : "those Russians!.. They cannot without stealing".
- now, when they look to be a little bit more friendly to Russia, they
present us only the good words and clapping on shoulder, and stay the same
in their political activities. They probably hope that we are the same also,
like in the Gorbachov time...
I can understand very much that many of the Americans can be normal good
people, but their system is so that it plays no role.
Serge
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Ania
1. For their treatment of the indigenous population. 2. For their political
interference in other countries businesses; for exploiting local labour and
natural ressources; 3. For exploiting America's natural ressources. For
being number one consumers in the world. 4. For bringing the anticulture of
fast-food and simplified language; as well as large cheap stores that
disrupt local businesses.
And many many more.
A.
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ValuedCustomer
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> Why I don't like the US:
> 1. For their treatment of the indigenous population.
As if the Russian's treatment of thier indigenous populations was
better...yeah right.
>2. For their political
> interference in other countries businesses;
You mean like Russia's interference in the Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia,
Estonia, Poland, East and West Germany, Austria, Hungary, Kazakhstan,
Chechnya and on and on and on????
> for exploiting local labour and
> natural ressources;
You mean like Russia arresting people on phony charges and sending them to
gulags where many died by slave labor? You mean like Russia being the
biggest enviromental polluter in the world? You mean like Russia
systematically deforesting Siberia???
> 3. For exploiting America's natural ressources.
So when will Russia stop exploiting its natural resources? If Russia
followed your advice, they would be in even a worse situation because they
would be shipping no oil, precious metals or timber. You prefer Russians
starve to death rather than exploit their resources?
> For
> being number one consumers in the world. 4. For bringing the anticulture
of
> fast-food and simplified language; as well as large cheap stores that
> disrupt local businesses.
They exist because people support them. Only the Soviet Union made things
that no one needed.
Get a clue. It's called "free market economy" i.e. supply and demand. If
there is no demand then there is no need to supply.
Local business went out of business because somebody came along with an idea
that people liked better.
Khruschev's favorite store is Home Depot.
P.S. Weren't you just flapping your lips in the breeze about how wonderful
IKEA is???
A G
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> "Ania" <asoch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Why I don't like the US:
> > 1. For their treatment of the indigenous population.
>
> As if the Russian's treatment of thier indigenous populations was
> better...yeah right.
right. I quite sure that there are no ghettos or reservations for indigenous
people in russia. there never were any unlike USA.
>
> >2. For their political
> > interference in other countries businesses;
>
> You mean like Russia's interference in the Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia,
> Estonia, Poland, East and West Germany, Austria, Hungary, Kazakhstan,
> Chechnya and on and on and on????
why dont you give examples here instead of listing all of the 'republics'
that wanted to be 'independant' ???
>
> > for exploiting local labour and
> > natural ressources;
>
> You mean like Russia arresting people on phony charges and sending them to
> gulags where many died by slave labor? You mean like Russia being the
> biggest enviromental polluter in the world? You mean like Russia
> systematically deforesting Siberia???
Phoney has an 'e' in it. there were no 'gulags' but rarther just one. you
probably dont even kno what it stands for without looking it up.
please give examples of pollution statistics with references to support your
claim .
>
> > 3. For exploiting America's natural ressources.
>
> So when will Russia stop exploiting its natural resources? If Russia
> followed your advice, they would be in even a worse situation because they
> would be shipping no oil, precious metals or timber. You prefer Russians
> starve to death rather than exploit their resources?
well, most of them benefit ... yanks !
>
> > For
> > being number one consumers in the world. 4. For bringing the anticulture
> of
> > fast-food and simplified language; as well as large cheap stores that
> > disrupt local businesses.
>
> They exist because people support them. Only the Soviet Union made things
> that no one needed.
> Get a clue. It's called "free market economy" i.e. supply and demand. If
> there is no demand then there is no need to supply.
> Local business went out of business because somebody came along with an
idea
> that people liked better.
> Khruschev's favorite store is Home Depot.
>
> P.S. Weren't you just flapping your lips in the breeze about how wonderful
> IKEA is???
<zap>
ValuedCustomer
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> > "Ania" <asoch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:U2Og8.350$Xf4.4...@rdr1.wms.teleglobe.net...
> > > Why I don't like the US:
> > > 1. For their treatment of the indigenous population.
> >
> > As if the Russian's treatment of thier indigenous populations was
> > better...yeah right.
>
> right. I quite sure that there are no ghettos or reservations for
indigenous
> people in russia. there never were any unlike USA.
>
Reservations were set aside so the American Indians could retain their
tribal way of life. Funny thing is many of the tribes have become very
prosperous by using their tribal lands to interact with the white man...i.e.
mineral and oil rights, casinos, etc. You wish you had as much money as some
of the tribes have.
> >
> > >2. For their political
> > > interference in other countries businesses;
> >
> > You mean like Russia's interference in the Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia,
> > Estonia, Poland, East and West Germany, Austria, Hungary, Kazakhstan,
> > Chechnya and on and on and on????
>
> why dont you give examples here instead of listing all of the 'republics'
> that wanted to be 'independant' ???
>
What's the difference? They all wanted to be free of Russia. The Prague
Spring is common knowledge as are others. Guys like Honecker only ruled as
long as Moscow said they could.
Russia had spetnaz troops dress up as Afghan palace guards, killed all of
the palace guards and then killed the president and his family in cold
blood.
Would you call that interference in somebody else's affairs, kozyol? Maybe
they were confused? Maybe they thought he was czar Nicholas II risen from
the grave?
The only difference was the spetnaz didn't loot the bodies like the
Bolsheviks did...they couldn't stick around fearing somebody would catch
on...Afghans don't speak with Russian accents.
> >
> > > for exploiting local labour and
> > > natural ressources;
> >
> > You mean like Russia arresting people on phony charges and sending them
to
> > gulags where many died by slave labor? You mean like Russia being the
> > biggest enviromental polluter in the world? You mean like Russia
> > systematically deforesting Siberia???
>
> Phoney has an 'e' in it. there were no 'gulags' but rarther just one. you
> probably dont even kno what it stands for without looking it up.
> please give examples of pollution statistics with references to support
your
> claim .
>
>
Gulag is a commonly accept word taken to mean the prison system in Soviet
Russia. 200,000 slave laborers died building the White Sea canal and most of
them hadn't done anything that would warrant them being in the gulag in the
first place.
One amusing story about Russia's environmental pollution pertains to the
immense military-industrial complex that Russia built up to create
biological and chemical weapons...in spite of the fact that they signed a
treaty saying they wouldn't. There's an island in the Aral sea that Russia
used for biowarfare expiramentation. They dumped the waste from their
expiraments into the sea. By gross over-irrigation, the Aral sea started to
dry up exposing all of the bio-junk the Russians left there.
Then there's the nuclear subs that Russia just parks any ol place...nuclear
reactor in plave and polluting away.
You can always start looking at all of the heavy metal waste that Russia
simply dumps into rivers...often causing things such as mental retardation
in children down stream. The list goes on and on...but you won't hear the
Russian gov talking about it...and you definitely won't see them cleaning it
up.
> >
> > > 3. For exploiting America's natural ressources.
> >
> > So when will Russia stop exploiting its natural resources? If Russia
> > followed your advice, they would be in even a worse situation because
they
> > would be shipping no oil, precious metals or timber. You prefer Russians
> > starve to death rather than exploit their resources?
>
> well, most of them benefit ... yanks !
If that's the case, I recommend you just let us come in by ourselves. We'll
take the minerals, oil, timber without paying Russia a cent. We'll use
American labor. Since it doesn't benefit Russians anyway, I am sure no one
will have a problem with this.
A G
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> > "ValuedCustomer" <bitb...@devnull.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Ania" <asoch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:U2Og8.350$Xf4.4...@rdr1.wms.teleglobe.net...
> > > > Why I don't like the US:
> > > > 1. For their treatment of the indigenous population.
> > >
> > > As if the Russian's treatment of thier indigenous populations was
> > > better...yeah right.
> >
> > right. I quite sure that there are no ghettos or reservations for
> indigenous
> > people in russia. there never were any unlike USA.
> >
>
> Reservations were set aside so the American Indians could retain their
> tribal way of life. Funny thing is many of the tribes have become very
> prosperous by using their tribal lands to interact with the white
man...i.e.
> mineral and oil rights, casinos, etc. You wish you had as much money as
some
> of the tribes have.
why would I ? the money is not the point of life contrary to most beliefs,
oh wait ... you are in America - I am sorry , you dont have any moral
standards do you ?!
>
> > >
> > > >2. For their political
> > > > interference in other countries businesses;
> > >
> > > You mean like Russia's interference in the Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia,
> > > Estonia, Poland, East and West Germany, Austria, Hungary, Kazakhstan,
> > > Chechnya and on and on and on????
> >
> > why dont you give examples here instead of listing all of the
'republics'
> > that wanted to be 'independant' ???
> >
>
> What's the difference? They all wanted to be free of Russia. The Prague
> Spring is common knowledge as are others. Guys like Honecker only ruled as
> long as Moscow said they could.
>
> Russia had spetnaz troops dress up as Afghan palace guards, killed all of
> the palace guards and then killed the president and his family in cold
> blood.
> Would you call that interference in somebody else's affairs, kozyol? Maybe
i did not call you names , please follow the same practice and dont act like
a child.
> they were confused? Maybe they thought he was czar Nicholas II risen from
> the grave?
and how is that meant to be funny ? The tsar was ritually killed and the
remains were drunk by the killers that were present ! there are no remains
to rise out of a grave and as for what buried in St Petersburg , those are
close relatives whose bones were taken from a Romanov museum in Moscow
during "restoration" works some years ago. I cannto recall the printed
resource right now however.
> The only difference was the spetnaz didn't loot the bodies like the
> Bolsheviks did...they couldn't stick around fearing somebody would catch
> on...Afghans don't speak with Russian accents.
>
>
> > >
> > > > for exploiting local labour and
> > > > natural ressources;
> > >
> > > You mean like Russia arresting people on phony charges and sending
them
> to
> > > gulags where many died by slave labor? You mean like Russia being the
> > > biggest enviromental polluter in the world? You mean like Russia
> > > systematically deforesting Siberia???
> >
> > Phoney has an 'e' in it. there were no 'gulags' but rarther just one.
you
> > probably dont even kno what it stands for without looking it up.
> > please give examples of pollution statistics with references to support
> your
> > claim .
> >
> >
<zap the crap>
and what do you have to say about america bombing Serbia with warheads
containing uranium ? And specifically destroying oil refineries and
polluting the water ?
>
> > >
> > > > 3. For exploiting America's natural ressources.
> > >
> > > So when will Russia stop exploiting its natural resources? If Russia
> > > followed your advice, they would be in even a worse situation because
> they
> > > would be shipping no oil, precious metals or timber. You prefer
Russians
> > > starve to death rather than exploit their resources?
> >
> > well, most of them benefit ... yanks !
>
> If that's the case, I recommend you just let us come in by ourselves.
We'll
> take the minerals, oil, timber without paying Russia a cent. We'll use
> American labor. Since it doesn't benefit Russians anyway, I am sure no one
> will have a problem with this.
well if putin (note the lack of capitalisation) starts giving away Russsian
territories then that could happen unless nationalists step in. japanese can
wish about getting the kurils and crap in the other.
<zip>
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
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> >
> > they were confused? Maybe they thought he was czar Nicholas II risen from
> > the grave?
>
> and how is that meant to be funny ? The tsar was ritually killed and the
> remains were drunk by the killers that were present ! there are no remains
> to rise out of a grave and as for what buried in St Petersburg , those are
> close relatives whose bones were taken from a Romanov museum in Moscow
> during "restoration" works some years ago. I cannto recall the printed
> resource right now however.
>
Oh, dear, dear. You must have read somewhere that the tsar was liquidated
and have somehow interpreted that literally, taking it to mean that he was
turned
into a liquid. Is the drinking of the tsars' body something out of you own
imagination, or did you really read and believe such a story?
Similarly for the rest of the factual information in the remainder of the
paragraph.
Fossil Cloud
> 1. For their treatment of the indigenous population.
US injuns are the freest and the richest injuns in the world
2. For their political
> interference in other countries businesses;
Like the largest financial assistance? non-proliferation pressure?
human rights protection? conflicts mediation? Why do you think
everybody is asking US to interfere? Even Arafat
> for exploiting local labour and
creating jobs for the jobless
> natural ressources;
generating income for poor nations
> 3. For exploiting America's natural ressources.
What do you suggest to do with natural resources, and who if not US
should utilize its own resources?
> For
> being number one consumers in the world.
And what nation in your judgement should be the #1 consumer?
> 4. For bringing the anticulture of
> fast-food and simplified language;
Yep. Elitism and snobbery get little respect here
> as well as large cheap stores that
> disrupt local businesses.
We have lots of local businesses on every corner. Mass consumption
retail is not economically adeqate domain for them though. US does not
create the laws of economics, just lets them play freely. Artificially
conserving little shops would amount to a taxation in favor of small
shop owners. We have areas where small local businesses flourish due
to tourism, they are supported by local zoning policies. In any case
every consumer has a real choice where to shop.
> And many many more.
>
No doubt. Explains Russia.
> A.
>
Fossil Cloud
You don't like US because it occupies the place that in full fairness
should be occupied by Russia. The rest is detail.
Mir Topolski
"ValuedCustomer" <bitb...@devnull.com> wrote:
> Reservations were set aside so the American
> Indians could retain their tribal way of life.
The latest millenium joke? - Good job, Custo!
captain crap
Michael Petukhov
> "Ania" <asoch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Why I don't like the US:
> > 1. For their treatment of the indigenous population.
>
> As if the Russian's treatment of thier indigenous populations was
> better...yeah right.
>
> >2. For their political
> > interference in other countries businesses;
>
> You mean like Russia's interference in the Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia,
> Estonia, Poland, East and West Germany, Austria, Hungary, Kazakhstan,
> Chechnya and on and on and on????
A stuipid comment. All major powers did including US, Britane and
those Germany, Austria and Poland when they had force. Moreover major
powers
continue doing this right now.
>
> > for exploiting local labour and
> > natural ressources;
>
> You mean like Russia arresting people on phony charges and sending them to
> gulags where many died by slave labor? You mean like Russia being the
> biggest enviromental polluter in the world? You mean like Russia
> systematically deforesting Siberia???
Again very stuipid. Gulag was in USSR not in Russia and only during
Stalin rule. US did just the same with aboroginal indians and
japanese US citizens. Who do you think was inventor of concentration
camps. It was brits who did it during Anglo-Bure war. Russians and
Germans were just good students of that science. As for biggest
polluter. where did take this shit? Modern Russia is the only
industral country in the world who already fulfilled its obligations
due to Kyoto protocol.
I do no read the rest since no doubts it very stuipid as well.
regards
Michael
Michael Petukhov
more details about that story one can read at:
http://gazeta.ru/2002/03/04/Environmenta.shtml
Michael
Michael Petukhov
> "ASN" <als...@comail.ru> wrote in message news:<a606tm$r8f$1...@storm.comstar.ru>...
>
> You don't like US because it occupies the place that in full fairness
> should be occupied by Russia. The rest is detail.
Stuipid as usual. We have many shortages but not a places to occupy.
Michael
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> > "Ania" <asoch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > Why I don't like the US:
> > > 1. For their treatment of the indigenous population.
> >
> > As if the Russian's treatment of thier indigenous populations was
> > better...yeah right.
> >
> > >2. For their political
> > > interference in other countries businesses;
> >
> > You mean like Russia's interference in the Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia,
> > Estonia, Poland, East and West Germany, Austria, Hungary, Kazakhstan,
> > Chechnya and on and on and on????
>
> A stuipid comment. All major powers did including US, Britane and
> those Germany, Austria and Poland when they had force. Moreover major
> powers
> continue doing this right now.
>
>
> >
> > > for exploiting local labour and
> > > natural ressources;
> >
> > You mean like Russia arresting people on phony charges and sending them
to
> > gulags where many died by slave labor? You mean like Russia being the
> > biggest enviromental polluter in the world? You mean like Russia
> > systematically deforesting Siberia???
>
I saw an article just yesterday about Russia pleaing to stop deforestation
of Siberia. Environmental anarchy.
> Again very stuipid. Gulag was in USSR not in Russia and only during
> Stalin rule. US did just the same with aboroginal indians and
> japanese US citizens.
CCCP=Russia. Russians only try to separate the two when there is something
they don't want to admit to.
Russia is still a gulag anyway. People who are taken into police custody are
routinely tortured and often disappear. 1000's of women are raped and the
crimes are never prosecuted. You see, Russian men have muslim attitude
towards women...they are toys for men so no wonder why they ignore these
crimes. I see hazing in the military is till a big problem. Last statistic I
saw was 2000 recruits die every year from hazing and committing suicide just
to get out of the Russian military. You have millions of street children,
most of whom have living parents. They become street children because their
parents simply discard them. Orphans in state orphanages have their own
gulag. A big percentage grow up to be drug addicts and criminals because the
Russian orphanage system stinks. You claim Chechnya is a Russian territory.
Why don't you read about what is going on there? You can be very proud of
what Russians are doing to Russians there.
>Who do you think was inventor of concentration
> camps. It was brits who did it during Anglo-Bure war. Russians and
> Germans were just good students of that science. As for biggest
> polluter. where did take this shit? Modern Russia is the only
> industral country in the world who already fulfilled its obligations
> due to Kyoto protocol.
>
Russia only backs Kyoto because it sees the loopholes in it as a way to make
money. It wants to sell it's "pollution capacity" to other countries.
But Kyoto has nothing to do with all the crap that Russia has already
dumped. Kyoto is a big game. Russia is just playing its hand.
> I do no read the rest since no doubts it very stuipid as well.
>
You can dismiss my statements out of hand if you like. Keep your eyes
closed. If you decide to do some research, you will find what I say is true
and you will not be very happy with your country's actions.
ValuedCustomer
with poison, they sucked to emulsified body fluids back out for nourishment.
Sounds like AG has little knowledge of his own history. They did pour acid
on the bodies but there is no such report about "ritualization" or drinking
remains.
AG also failed to note the similar MO between murder of the czar and the
murder of the Afghan president. Both were gunned down, including their
families.
Seems a standard Russian practice...Pyotr Veliki also had similiar problems
with the Streltsy. It seems the only way Russia can have a change in gov is
by great violence.
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Trident
I do believe "the place" is not geographical but geopolitical - as in having clout.
Trident
Ania
http://www.alaskool.org/projects/native_gov/recollections/peratrovich/Elizab
eth_1.htm
These are the testemonies of the Alaskan natives, their recollections about
the life "under" Russians and later when the Americans came. It also
contains a letter of petition to the US president - among other things they
demand to reduce the power of the missionaries. Note - when Russians were
there, most of the Natives didn't even KNOW they were under Russians!!
A.
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Ania
level is also among the lowest in the country. The life expectancy is the
lowest.
I will call you a ponpon. It's a piece of fluf that hangs from a wool hat.
Bye, Ponpon.
A.
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Will
The Lada and Zil
Will
> > "Ania" <asoch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:U2Og8.350$Xf4.4...@rdr1.wms.teleglobe.net...
> > > Why I don't like the US:
> > > 1. For their treatment of the indigenous population.
> >
> > As if the Russian's treatment of thier indigenous populations was
> > better...yeah right.
> >
> > >2. For their political
> > > interference in other countries businesses;
> >
> > You mean like Russia's interference in the Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia,
> > Estonia, Poland, East and West Germany, Austria, Hungary, Kazakhstan,
> > Chechnya and on and on and on????
>
> A stuipid comment. All major powers did including US, Britane and
> those Germany, Austria and Poland when they had force. Moreover major
> powers
> continue doing this right now.
Hey Ivan how many Americans live in your shitty nation? You ruskies
are over the US.
>
>
> >
> > > for exploiting local labour and
> > > natural ressources;
> >
> > You mean like Russia arresting people on phony charges and sending them to
> > gulags where many died by slave labor? You mean like Russia being the
> > biggest enviromental polluter in the world? You mean like Russia
> > systematically deforesting Siberia???
>
> Again very stuipid. Gulag was in USSR not in Russia and only during
> Stalin rule. US did just the same with aboroginal indians and
> japanese US citizens. Who do you think was inventor of concentration
> camps. It was brits who did it during Anglo-Bure war. Russians and
> Germans were just good students of that science. As for biggest
> polluter. where did take this shit? Modern Russia is the only
> industral country in the world who already fulfilled its obligations
> due to Kyoto protocol.
Modern Russia is a cesspool with low industry and a need to ally
with EU or US.
ValuedCustomer
.
>
> I will call you a ponpon. It's a piece of fluf that hangs from a wool hat.
> Bye, Ponpon.
> A.
If you are going to attempt to fluff up your posts with your newly
discovered words, you should at least get the word right before posting.
We'll just call you firefly.
staten
|
| - they always supported all the enemies of us, even the worst ones of the
| bandits or thieves, and prosecute the nations and states, who showed an
| intention to be friendly with us (White Russia, Jugoslavia etc)
You forgot to name Saddam and his buddy Laden. If not 9/11, you would still
keep smuggling arms to this thug like that ex-KGB guy....
| - of their cinema : they have got all the financial resources in that
area,
| they destroyed the wonderful french cinema and the other ones in Europe,
and
| what do they produce after that? One good film in 5 years, as maximum, the
| rest is designed for the 14-years-old oligophrenes, not more.
I wonder why when they show Mexican endless movie serials half of Russia
is chained to their TV screens? Is this because they are such great
connoisseurs of European movie art?
| - they pushed by us in the years '90-99 the thieves and diversants on the
| power, all the monsters like Eltsin, Gaidar, Tchubais, Kozyrev, threatened
| us and made hysterics by any danger for them ("the reforms cannot be
| fulfilled without the reformators!")... And now they fastidiously screw up
| the face : "those Russians!.. They cannot without stealing".
No one but you elected those “monsters” like you did Lenin , Stalin,
Andropov. So if still in misery, there is no one to blame but yourselves.
| - now, when they look to be a little bit more friendly to Russia, they
| present us only the good words and clapping on shoulder, and stay the same
| in their political activities. They probably hope that we are the same
also,
| like in the Gorbachov time...
Before those were not only “good words” ; we showered you with bucks hoping
that you may be once in a millennium may become civilized nation; but you
failed -- stole everything what can be stolen remaining the same thieves
and crooks like you were under Brezhnev .
| I can understand very much that many of the Americans can be normal good
| people, but their system is so that it plays no role.
|
| Serge
But in contrast to Americans , your former system played very important
role – at least it helped to keep your mafia, money laundering and stealing
from spreading . Likewise, then - just the best could leave your
country-prison ; now - the gates open to all Russian junk.
vansmak
Griffinthal is a puerile crossposting fuckhead, and that is true.
Alex Shlega
> russian) are so antiamericans.
This is absurd. Where did you see that majority? Personally I am not
antiamericanist and my friends are not.. Even if this group is mostly
visited by people like you that actually means nothing.
> There have been enough Moscow burocrats in Elcine goverment who
> attempted to promote this project. But mass protests from local people
> forced goverment to cancel this project finnaly.
>
> I think you may now better understand russian antiamericanism.
Oh, man.. You are talking about our own politics and blame USA in their
stupidity?! I suppose it's our russian normal behaviour.. Let's find
somebody and make him responsible for our own fault.
Alex
>
> Michael
Alex Shlega
> 1. For their treatment of the indigenous population. 2. For their
political
> interference in other countries businesses; for exploiting local labour
and
> natural ressources; 3. For exploiting America's natural ressources. For
> being number one consumers in the world. 4. For bringing the anticulture
of
> fast-food and simplified language; as well as large cheap stores that
> disrupt local businesses.
I do not understnad why do you see problems here? The world is tough and
more powerful countries always influence less powerfull. That's normal. If
you do not like simplified language do not use it. But if this language has
power to survive in competition with more complicated languages then it is
probably a good one. What's wrong with fastfood? You do not like it? There
is a lot of restaurants you can visit in this case.. As to "number 1
consumers in the world" who stops Russia from doing the same?!
The only fact I do not like is that Russia does not do the same what the
US does. Unfortunately Russia simply can not afford it.
I wonder why so many people here think that USA is so bad only because it
does not care about Russia and other countries so much. Obviously it does
not have to and it will not do it. Yes, I believe that world is kind of
jungles. Prepare to fight for yourself and do not think that somebody else
will do it.
Alex
Michael Petukhov
Including geopolitical. We are not europeans, Chineses and arabs.
Thus our geopolitical place is FSU territory. We will have lots
to do there during next 100 years. If US wonts have russians
as good friends they have better to keep hands off the FSU.
Michael
Michael Petukhov
> >
>
> I saw an article just yesterday about Russia pleaing to stop deforestation
> of Siberia. Environmental anarchy.
I did not read however I do not think it has something to do with
reality on the ground (as usual) Simply because due to the size of
Sibiria it is not just technically possible to "deforest" it. However
your right we have to work hard to stop any anarchy in this and other
areas.
>
> > Again very stuipid. Gulag was in USSR not in Russia and only during
> > Stalin rule. US did just the same with aboroginal indians and
> > japanese US citizens.
>
> CCCP=Russia.
Not yet but you right again will be soon.
> Russians only try to separate the two when there is something
> they don't want to admit to.
No I admit this and much more.
> Russia is still a gulag anyway. People who are taken into police custody are
> routinely tortured and often disappear. 1000's of women are raped and the
> crimes are never prosecuted.
Well at the moment we have highest rate of criminality in ages
but still it is 2 to 3 times lower than it is in US.
> You see, Russian men have muslim attitude
> towards women...they are toys for men so no wonder why they ignore these
> crimes.
Are you serious?
> I see hazing in the military is till a big problem. Last statistic I
> saw was 2000 recruits die every year from hazing and committing suicide just
> to get out of the Russian military.
3000 as far as I know. As I said we have lots of problems to solve.
This one of the first. For instance yesterday first 76-th VDV division
was declared to be converted into 100% professional division by
this year.
> You have millions of street children,
> most of whom have living parents. They become street children because their
> parents simply discard them.
Consequece of freedom and the same as everythere else in capitalist
countries including US where people unfrtunately have to care about
themselfs. In USSR we did not have it. Are you suggesting
to reconsider?
> Orphans in state orphanages have their own
> gulag. A big percentage grow up to be drug addicts and criminals because the
> Russian orphanage system stinks. You claim Chechnya is a Russian territory.
> Why don't you read about what is going on there? You can be very proud of
> what Russians are doing to Russians there.
The war is war. They attacked us in 99 and now have to pay the
high price. For how long? Well knowing history of our relations my
guess is for 20 or years until the generation of Chechens who
started all this shit in 91 will killed or gone in other way.
we are not afraid of in a hurry. To my taste Putin is too soft
with Chechens but I trust him. He is smarter than me and surely
knows better how to pacify them with minimal casualties on both
sides.
>
> >Who do you think was inventor of concentration
> > camps. It was brits who did it during Anglo-Bure war. Russians and
> > Germans were just good students of that science. As for biggest
> > polluter. where did take this shit? Modern Russia is the only
> > industral country in the world who already fulfilled its obligations
> > due to Kyoto protocol.
> >
>
> Russia only backs Kyoto because it sees the loopholes in it as a way to make
> money. It wants to sell it's "pollution capacity" to other countries.
> But Kyoto has nothing to do with all the crap that Russia has already
> dumped. Kyoto is a big game. Russia is just playing its hand.
As everybody else. However the fact we have decreased "green gases"
to the level below speciafied in Kyoto for Russia. All others did not
and US even has no intentions to.
>
> > I do no read the rest since no doubts it very stuipid as well.
> >
>
> You can dismiss my statements out of hand if you like. Keep your eyes
> closed. If you decide to do some research, you will find what I say is true
> and you will not be very happy with your country's actions.
I am not very happy indeed. But we have completely opposite
views what to do to improve the situation. But I am sure you
will like our improvements.
Michael
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
> Including geopolitical. We are not europeans, Chineses and arabs.
> Thus our geopolitical place is FSU territory. We will have lots
> to do there during next 100 years. If US wonts have russians
> as good friends they have better to keep hands off the FSU.
>
Your place is Russia, the area around Moscow.
Please stay away from the FSU, i.e. keep your claws out of the
liberated countries of the former Russian empire.
Of course all other imperialist pretenders are also unwelcome
Kuzhon
> "ASN" <als...@comail.ru> wrote in message
> news:a606tm$r8f$1...@storm.comstar.ru...
> | I don't like America because:
> |
> | - they always supported all the enemies of us, even the worst ones of the
> | bandits or thieves, and prosecute the nations and states, who showed an
> | intention to be friendly with us (White Russia, Jugoslavia etc)
>
> You forgot to name Saddam and his buddy Laden. If not 9/11, you would still
> keep smuggling arms to this thug like that ex-KGB guy....
AFAIK, Saddam&Benny were born by CIA&Cś? If not 9/11, they would still
the best friends of USA.
...
> | - they pushed by us in the years '90-99 the thieves and diversants on the
> | power, all the monsters like Eltsin, Gaidar, Tchubais, Kozyrev, threatened
> | us and made hysterics by any danger for them ("the reforms cannot be
> | fulfilled without the reformators!")... And now they fastidiously screw up
> | the face : "those Russians!.. They cannot without stealing".
>
> No one but you elected those "monsters" like you did Lenin , Stalin,
> Andropov. So if still in misery, there is no one to blame but yourselves.
Nobody has elected them.
>
>
> | - now, when they look to be a little bit more friendly to Russia, they
> | present us only the good words and clapping on shoulder, and stay the same
> | in their political activities. They probably hope that we are the same
> also,
> | like in the Gorbachov time...
>
> Before those were not only "good words" ; we showered you with bucks
they are back, as i know?
hoping
> that you may be once in a millennium may become civilized nation; but you
> failed -- stole everything what can be stolen remaining the same thieves
> and crooks like you were under Brezhnev .
>
>
>
> | I can understand very much that many of the Americans can be normal good
> | people, but their system is so that it plays no role.
> |
> | Serge
Do you mean, USA is OK in compare to Russian?
Kuzhon
ValuedCustomer
Nobody else is going to do it for you. Are you listening Russians?
There ain't no western plots or conspiracys so stop feeling sorry for
yourselves and stop blaming others.
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ValuedCustomer
in China? Westerners that go to China will tire of eating chicken feet
quickly and will seek out western food. It's kind of stupid on the Chinese
part to make this illegal. It shows more backwardsness to enact such laws. I
think they should have a tourist stop where they take people to see all of
the Chinese they are forcibly removing from Beijing prior to the Olympics.
Maybe they have some king of national park for people down on their luck?
But thanks for setting Ania straight. Fast food restaurants would not exist
in Europe if Europeans didn't buy there. Somebody is keeping them in
business. America gladly absorbs the parts of any culture that it takes a
liking to. We are not like the French who obsess over every little
Americanism that creeps in.
American movies are the same way. People are buying the tickets. What does
it say about Russian and Euro movie makers when they FAIL TO PROVIDE TO
THEIR CONSUMER'S TASTES in movies. They go out of business. Russians really
don't even support Russian movies. They counterfeit everything anyway so
there isn't much opportunity for a film maker to earn a living.
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Alex Shlega
I am not an imperialist if I am talking about Rusian geopolitical
interests. But I agree that FSU is inside Russia's interests. I do not know
where are you from but if you country can not afford to influence others
that does not mean Russia also have to keep silence. It's simply
impossible.. However of course I am not talking about any sort of war
conflicts and so on. As it is said FSU is our geopolitical place. Just by
our own placement.
But I do not agree with the statement that USA should keep hands of the
FSU. This statement is simply useless.. If we can not influence FSU then
somebody else will. Most probably the USA will do it. We can not avoid it,
we can only try to have more influence on our neighbours than the USA.
Again, that does not mean that Russia should produce mighty army and threat
it's neighbours. There are other and much more friendly ways.
Alex
Alex Shlega
everything anyway so
> there isn't much opportunity for a film maker to earn a living.
I think this is the main problem. Russia can not support a lot of what we
previously could be proud of. I do not know if Russia lacks money only or
may be it also lacks people or something else.. Does not matter. The fact is
that this makes russians to feel bad.. As if you thought that you are
strong(whatever we say now USSR was a strong country and all other world had
to count it), but suddenly there is one who is much stronger and you are in
a deep shit. You can either start complaining or try to recover somehow.
Unfortunately many of us are just complaining. But it is even worse that we
complain about others but not about ourselves.
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
Influence but not subjugate, occupy.
The USA influences both Canada and Mexico, but does not forcibly occupy.
Alex Shlega
> The USA influences both Canada and Mexico, but does not forcibly occupy.
Believe me or not but Russia simply has not enough power to occupy others
now. Even if it had we have more freedom now to avoid it.
As to the USA.. What about Irak, Ugoslavia, Serbia, Afghanistan, and now
Georgia? Not such a peacefull influence also.
Alex
Michael Petukhov
> > Althought you did not ask I wonna tell you why I (and majority of
> > russian) are so antiamericans.
>
> This is absurd. Where did you see that majority? Personally I am not
> antiamericanist and my friends are not..
So do I so what?
> Even if this group is mostly
> visited by people like you that actually means nothing.
>
Why? Ok is it not a perfect representation but still it is a
representation of public opinion.
> > There have been enough Moscow burocrats in Elcine goverment who
> > attempted to promote this project. But mass protests from local people
> > forced goverment to cancel this project finnaly.
> >
> > I think you may now better understand russian antiamericanism.
>
> Oh, man.. You are talking about our own politics and blame USA in their
> stupidity?!
Sorry those guys are not stuipid. More likely they were paid
to make that decision. Who do you think would pay for buidling
this shitty plant in Vodkinsk? Ok we do not know. Who would gain
from this? I think there cannot be any doubts about that.
>I suppose it's our russian normal behaviour.. Let's find
> somebody and make him responsible for our own fault.
Common! it is human nature. Everybody blaime others. only
losers blaime themselfs. It seems you wonna be among them.
What's for?
Michael
>
> Alex
>
>
> >
> > Michael
Michael Petukhov
> "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <urj...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:3C85F1EB...@bellsouth.net...
> > Michael Petukhov wrote:
> >
> > > Including geopolitical. We are not europeans, Chineses and arabs.
> > > Thus our geopolitical place is FSU territory. We will have lots
> > > to do there during next 100 years. If US wonts have russians
> > > as good friends they have better to keep hands off the FSU.
> > >
> >
> > Your place is Russia, the area around Moscow.
> > Please stay away from the FSU, i.e. keep your claws out of the
> > liberated countries of the former Russian empire.
> > Of course all other imperialist pretenders are also unwelcome
>
> I am not an imperialist if I am talking about Rusian geopolitical
> interests.
Common! If you just starts talking about our geopolitical interests
you becomes russian imperialist. It is most terrible type of imperialists.
Unlike any others russians are not allowed to talk about their interests.
So you have simple choice shutup or be ready to become imperialists.
What do you prefer?
> But I agree that FSU is inside Russia's interests.
WOW! there is some hope for you brother.
>I do not know
> where are you from but if you country can not afford to influence others
> that does not mean Russia also have to keep silence. It's simply
> impossible.. However of course I am not talking about any sort of war
> conflicts and so on.
Why not if it is small victorius war? In this business everything depends
on final results. if you are winner everybody agree you was absolutely
right but if you lost... well I can tell you you have better be winner.
>As it is said FSU is our geopolitical place. Just by
> our own placement.
> But I do not agree with the statement that USA should keep hands of the
> FSU. This statement is simply useless.. If we can not influence FSU then
> somebody else will. Most probably the USA will do it. We can not avoid it,
> we can only try to have more influence on our neighbours than the USA.
> Again, that does not mean that Russia should produce mighty army and threat
> it's neighbours. There are other and much more friendly ways.
That's true but I think we have to have mighty army. Just in case.
As for US influence in FSU I am strongly pessimistic. The reason is
geography and disposition of main players in the euroasia. In short run
certainly US will stay there but only until and as long they pay
every single day of their staying there in cash. In long run however
FSU states have no other choice but integrate into something similar
to SU or disappear from earth face.
Michael
>
> Alex
Michael Petukhov
Sorry but there will be no hopes for you. But I think you know this
without my note, don't you?
Michael
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
> > Influence but not subjugate, occupy.
> > The USA influences both Canada and Mexico, but does not forcibly occupy.
>
> Believe me or not but Russia simply has not enough power to occupy others
> now. Even if it had we have more freedom now to avoid it.
Many times burned, twice and more wary.
Dovirjaj no provirjaj and
be careful playing with a vicious dog.
>
> As to the USA.. What about Irak, Ugoslavia, Serbia, Afghanistan, and now
> Georgia? Not such a peacefull influence also.
>
I am forced to agree.
Annia
>
> The only fact I do not like is that Russia does not do the same what the
> US does. Unfortunately Russia simply can not afford it.
>> Alex
>
>
Sorry, I don't get this sentence. YUou can write in Russian if you want.
A.
Annia
their own business? Why do you think strong powers have to interfere?
It's like you coming to this ng and telling us what to do and how to write -
and yeah, maybe shutting down the ng... Who are you to tell others how to
live?
A.news:a64sdo$hck$1...@news.sovam.com...
Annia
You call it "influence"? When the US financed and supported the overthrow of
the first nationally elected governemnt in Guatemala because the commercial
interests of the US were affected and put their own government! What about
Haiti, Columbia, Ecuador? What about the School of Americas that trained and
provided military forces to suppress and terrorise the citizens?
Everywhere Americans go covered under the pretty words of helping the world
they cause destructions and misery. They think they are the police of hte
world. What they really are - they are the biggest world's bullies!
A.news:3C8613D2...@bellsouth.net...
ValuedCustomer
2. CD's, DVD, Video, Computer software is routinely and pervasively
counterfeited.
3. It is not enough to make artsy films unless you are only an artist. If
you are supplying an entertainment commodity, then your storyline must be
directed at your intended market.
You need marketing and distribution network. A film isn't much good if
nobody sees it.
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firefly
Annia wrote:
> Russia must do the same what the US is doing.Bomb the Chechens terrorists
to the stone age.Only dead Chechen is good Chechen.Wjhy Russia is
kiullinfg they own soldiers? why not BNUKE them, it is si easy.
>
firefly
Annia wrote:
>>It is the uSA who is producing the arms and selling to everyone.They are the
one who are treat to all World, like the Zionist are.
>
>
firefly
During the USSR was peace in Europe, now is war every where.Why don't
Russia put Gortbachev in Hail together with the Alcoholic Yeltsyn.
They destroyed Russia, they destroyed everything what the Russia build
for centuries.America is the one who is trainning the terrorists against
the another countries, they train Osama and supply him with the weapons
and the stingers against the Russia during the Afgan war.They support
the Chchen terrorists cross Georgia against the Russia.They train the
Albanian KLA terrorists against the Serbia.Why they don't bomb the
Kosovo terrorists? because they are the US friend,KLA terrorists
give them the green light how to occupy the balkans.Now they are
trainning the Iraqi terrorists against the Saddam rezime.Who is
in Russia today, all member of the CIA.Every one in business,Human
Organization, religion,social workers,advisior etc. are CIA
workers,Ambassador CIA member or FBI, yes this people are in Russia
to distabilize the Russian governmnet.Read usia.gov,pentagon.gov or
Whitehouse.gov you will find the ionformation what I am talking about.
What do you think,why they invide Litvia,Latvia,Estonia to NATO?
not to play chest, but to put they millitary base around the Russia.
who is in Russia
firefly
ValuedCustomer
as does the US.
One day's worth of Canada-US trade is more than a year's worth of US-Russia
trade.
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ValuedCustomer
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ValuedCustomer
What destructions and misery are you talking about?
Do you think the US should sit idly by while countries like Columbia smuggle
drugs into the US?
You live in Canada. Tell us how the USA bully is maiking your life
unbearable there.
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ValuedCustomer
"Kuzhon" <kuz...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> AFAIK, Saddam&Benny were born by CIA&Co? If not 9/11, they would still
> the best friends of USA.
> ...
Nope. Bin Laden was scheduled for execution after the USS Cole but the
trigger was never pulled. He was designated bad-boy long before that.
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
> Every big American city has nuclear storage neer residential area.
>
There are many big American cities, so the following should be
an easy thing for you to provide us.
Please name ten big American cities and what you consider to be
their nuclear storage areas near residential areas.
City name loc. of nuclear storage distance
1) ????? ???????????? ????
2) ????? ???????????? ????
...
That's storage areas not just locations of power plants.
staten
to other lands, Russians wouldn't hesitate to call it "proper Russia". When
it comes to accepting responsibility for crimes committed on those lands ,
those lands miraculously become non-Russian. Ditto for all those pro-Soviet
ass lickers . Those retards never shy away from expressing their admiration
with Soviet achievements where the core made up Russians . But when it
comes to accepting responsibility for crimes committed by Soviets , it turns
out the latter were Jews, Latvians, Ukes etc.
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|
| "Michael Petukhov" <petu...@bpc.spbstu.ru> wrote in message
| news:a39cf3c3.02030...@posting.google.com...
| > "ValuedCustomer" <bitb...@devnull.com> wrote in message
| news:<VGQg8.57378$Iu2.17...@news02.optonline.net>...
| > > "Ania" <asoch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > > news:U2Og8.350$Xf4.4...@rdr1.wms.teleglobe.net...
| > > > Why I don't like the US:
| > > > 1. For their treatment of the indigenous population.
| > >
| > > As if the Russian's treatment of thier indigenous populations was
| > > better...yeah right.
| > >
| > > >2. For their political
| > > > interference in other countries businesses;
| > >
| > > You mean like Russia's interference in the Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia,
| > > Estonia, Poland, East and West Germany, Austria, Hungary, Kazakhstan,
| > > Chechnya and on and on and on????
| >
| > A stuipid comment. All major powers did including US, Britane and
| > those Germany, Austria and Poland when they had force. Moreover major
| > powers
| > continue doing this right now.
| >
| >
| > >
| > > > for exploiting local labour and
| > > > natural ressources;
| > >
| > > You mean like Russia arresting people on phony charges and sending
them
| to
| > > gulags where many died by slave labor? You mean like Russia being the
| > > biggest enviromental polluter in the world? You mean like Russia
| > > systematically deforesting Siberia???
| >
|
| I saw an article just yesterday about Russia pleaing to stop deforestation
| of Siberia. Environmental anarchy.
|
| > Again very stuipid. Gulag was in USSR not in Russia and only during
| > Stalin rule. US did just the same with aboroginal indians and
| > japanese US citizens.
|
| CCCP=Russia. Russians only try to separate the two when there is something
| they don't want to admit to.
| Russia is still a gulag anyway. People who are taken into police custody
are
| routinely tortured and often disappear. 1000's of women are raped and the
| crimes are never prosecuted. You see, Russian men have muslim attitude
| towards women...they are toys for men so no wonder why they ignore these
| crimes. I see hazing in the military is till a big problem. Last statistic
I
| saw was 2000 recruits die every year from hazing and committing suicide
just
| to get out of the Russian military. You have millions of street children,
| most of whom have living parents. They become street children because
their
| parents simply discard them. Orphans in state orphanages have their own
| gulag. A big percentage grow up to be drug addicts and criminals because
the
| Russian orphanage system stinks. You claim Chechnya is a Russian
territory.
| Why don't you read about what is going on there? You can be very proud of
| what Russians are doing to Russians there.
|
| >Who do you think was inventor of concentration
| > camps. It was brits who did it during Anglo-Bure war. Russians and
| > Germans were just good students of that science. As for biggest
| > polluter. where did take this shit? Modern Russia is the only
| > industral country in the world who already fulfilled its obligations
| > due to Kyoto protocol.
| >
|
| Russia only backs Kyoto because it sees the loopholes in it as a way to
make
| money. It wants to sell it's "pollution capacity" to other countries.
| But Kyoto has nothing to do with all the crap that Russia has already
| dumped. Kyoto is a big game. Russia is just playing its hand.
|
| > I do no read the rest since no doubts it very stuipid as well.
| >
|
| You can dismiss my statements out of hand if you like. Keep your eyes
| closed. If you decide to do some research, you will find what I say is
true
| and you will not be very happy with your country's actions.
|
|
| > regards
| >
| > Michael
| >
| >
| > >
| > > > 3. For exploiting America's natural ressources.
| > >
| > > So when will Russia stop exploiting its natural resources? If Russia
| > > followed your advice, they would be in even a worse situation because
| they
| > > would be shipping no oil, precious metals or timber. You prefer
Russians
| > > starve to death rather than exploit their resources?
| > >
| > > > For
| > > > being number one consumers in the world. 4. For bringing the
| anticulture
| > > of
| > > > fast-food and simplified language; as well as large cheap stores
that
| > > > disrupt local businesses.
| > >
| > > They exist because people support them. Only the Soviet Union made
| things
| > > that no one needed.
| > > Get a clue. It's called "free market economy" i.e. supply and demand.
If
| > > there is no demand then there is no need to supply.
| > > Local business went out of business because somebody came along with
an
| idea
| > > that people liked better.
| > > Khruschev's favorite store is Home Depot.
| > >
| > > P.S. Weren't you just flapping your lips in the breeze about how
| wonderful
| > > IKEA is???
Alex Shlega
> their own business? Why do you think strong powers have to interfere?
> It's like you coming to this ng and telling us what to do and how to
write -
> and yeah, maybe shutting down the ng... Who are you to tell others how to
> live?
You are taking such things too personally. When did I tell you how to
live? I do not care.. This group is related to russian culture and that was
my point in one of my messages. If you think all these antiamerican
discussions are good enough for such a group just go ahead.
As to strong power, I am convinced that strong power will always interfere.
Why? Just to have what it wants to have.
Alex
Alex Shlega
> you becomes russian imperialist. It is most terrible type of imperialists.
> Unlike any others russians are not allowed to talk about their interests.
> So you have simple choice shutup or be ready to become imperialists.
> What do you prefer?
>
Ok, I agree.. But I am peaceful imperialist.
> > But I agree that FSU is inside Russia's interests.
>
> WOW! there is some hope for you brother.
I am not your brother:) And I do not think I need such a hope:)
> Why not if it is small victorius war?
It is just my own point of view. I am not interested in any wars where
Rurssia is involved.
> That's true but I think we have to have mighty army. Just in case.
Yes. That's true.
> every single day of their staying there in cash. In long run however
> FSU states have no other choice but integrate into something similar
> to SU or disappear from earth face.
Yes, I agree again.
Alex
>
> Michael
>
> >
> > Alex
Alex Shlega
> > antiamericanist and my friends are not..
>
> So do I so what?
If you say that this is not a representation then I do not know what to
say..
> > Even if this group is mostly
> > visited by people like you that actually means nothing.
> >
>
> Why? Ok is it not a perfect representation but still it is a
> representation of public opinion.
No. In this NG as I understand there is only up to 10 russians.. Most of
them are former russians(ref Annia) . So this is not a real representation.
> Sorry those guys are not stuipid. More likely they were paid
> to make that decision. Who do you think would pay for buidling
> this shitty plant in Vodkinsk? Ok we do not know. Who would gain
> from this? I think there cannot be any doubts about that.
Anyway, the USA can not build something on russian territory until our
politics allow that.
> Common! it is human nature. Everybody blaime others. only
> losers blaime themselfs.
No. You can say whatever to other people but you have to keep your eyes
opened and understand your faults at least internally.
> It seems you wonna be among them. What's for?
As I said it does not seem to me so.
Alex
>
> Michael
>
>
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Michael
Alex Shlega
"Annia" <asoch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I think others already understood.. But if you really need a translation,
here it is:
Единственное, что мне не нравится, это то, что Россия не может позволить
себе вести такую же политику, как США. Агрессивную, в смысле.
Alex
>
>
Michael Petukhov
> > Common! it is human nature. Everybody blaime others. only
> > losers blaime themselfs.
>
> No.
what no? All blaime others with a few exceptions like you.
> You can say whatever to other people but you have to keep your eyes
> opened and understand your faults at least internally.
And externaly. But the thing is before getting better one have
to repeat 1000s times "I am good", I am best, there is nobody better
than me" and believe in that. This does not guarantee success but this
is fist step on the road up. Believing in "I am bad" theory can lead
only down. That's why they want we believe in it. With, I have to admit
some success (ref. to you and alike). Do not be naive.
Michael
Michael Petukhov
> > Common! If you just starts talking about our geopolitical interests
> > you becomes russian imperialist. It is most terrible type of imperialists.
> > Unlike any others russians are not allowed to talk about their interests.
> > So you have simple choice shutup or be ready to become imperialists.
> > What do you prefer?
> >
>
> Ok, I agree.. But I am peaceful imperialist.
>
> > > But I agree that FSU is inside Russia's interests.
> >
> > WOW! there is some hope for you brother.
>
> I am not your brother:)
OK! If you do not like it. How about comrade? Can I call you comrade
Shlega?
> And I do not think I need such a hope:)
The hope is just a hope even if you do not need it.
>
> > Why not if it is small victorius war?
>
> It is just my own point of view. I am not interested in any wars where
> Rurssia is involved.
In any? War can be interesting in you. If they start killing you be
sure you will be very interesting.
"...Ruskies know they do not matter outside Russia, if only a tiny bit.
There is nothing they can do about it (for the same reason) so they
only whine and bitch all around them. Ruskies know just a little about
their own culture before the Bolshevik putch, Soviet time culture was
presented in the West and hidden from soviets, and post-soviet culture
is parochial and mediocre..."
How do you like above? Do you agree with that kind of views? This by the
way pretty common view on Russians of so many in West. Certainly they
would never say this into you face. Political correctess... but here
in net they feel free you can see their real ugly face. Those are just
the same people who invaded in 41 and killed 26.6 millions of russians,
belorussians, ukranians kazakh, tatars etc. Among those 26.6 mil 7.5 mil
were civilians executed by zondercommndes only, another 4.5 mil of
civilians died due to absence of any food supply in accupied territory etc
some 4 mil forced to work in Germany and 50% died there.
should I continue?
They can come next time. May I ask you what are you going to do
about all this? Only crying that you are "not interested in
ANY (!!!) wars where Rurssia is involved".
Michael
captain crap
Because i got a speeding ticket in arizona, fucking americans.
captain crap
thanks for the laughs for yet an other day my friends......
Alex Shlega
And this usually leads to wars, conflicts etc. When you are trying to see
your own faults you have better chances to find a compromiss.
But.. In this case I also blaime others. However not the USA but Russia is
responsible for many of it's problems.
> And externaly. But the thing is before getting better one have
> to repeat 1000s times "I am good", I am best, there is nobody better
> than me" and believe in that. This does not guarantee success but this
> is fist step on the road up.
I do not mind. I agree. 100% convinced.. Will vote for that anywhere. Both
hands..
BUT. If that one believes in himself, that's good. Sooner or later he will
get what he wants. Hopefully you will not mind that we all make mistakes.
And hence you can not be absolutely sure if you will get what you want. The
one who believes in himself will not stop his attempts if he fails with the
current one. Vice versa the one who thinks that he did everything right but
he did not succeed because of other guys will most probably stop at this
point and start complaining. Why? Because those guys are still there and he
can do nothing about it. Or just kill them all.
> Believing in "I am bad" theory can lead
> only down.
You do not understand me. Or I could not explain my point of view. I never
said something like "I am bad". I can be bad in some particular situation
but I am good in general. For me that does not require any arguments.. Kind
of a faith.
Even if I have not got something that does not mean that I am bad. I am
good. Not perfect, but good. And this unperfectness allows me to make
mistakes. That's my right to make mistakes. As well as I have a right to
succeed. If I admit that it does not make me worse but I can ajust my
behaviour so that next time I will do something else to reach my goals.
Otherwise I will have to repeat my unsuccessfull actions infinite
times(because they are the best).
Alex
PS. If seems to me that your message had only one intention.. The main idea:
"The USA is bad". Is that your way to prove yourself that you are good? Just
by showing that others are bad?
>
> Michael
Alex Shlega
> sure you will be very interesting.
Ok, this is about words. More correctly I am not interested in wars like
we had in Afghanistan in 80th years.
> They can come next time. May I ask you what are you going to do
> about all this? Only crying that you are "not interested in
> ANY (!!!) wars where Rurssia is involved".
Do not try to misinterpret my main idea. That does not make any sence. I
am not interested in occupational wars, I am interested in strong Russia but
not in a small victorious war that you suggested a few messages above. Or do
you suggest to invade them BEFORE they come? Even if they are not going to
come? If you do so then they are absolutely correct if they do not believe
us still.
Alex
ValuedCustomer
law.
"captain crap" <whoms...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
> "Alex Shlega" <ash...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<a6730i$n73$1...@news.sovam.com>...
>
> >Michael Petukhov wrote:
> > >
> > > WOW! there is some hope for you brother.
> >
> > I am not your brother:)
>
> OK! If you do not like it. How about comrade? Can I call you comrade
> Shlega?
>
> .......................................................
>
> .............................................
> Those are just
> the same people who invaded in 41 and killed 26.6 millions of russians,
> belorussians, ukranians kazakh, tatars etc. Among those 26.6 mil 7.5 mil
> were civilians executed by zondercommndes only, another 4.5 mil of
> civilians died due to absence of any food supply in accupied territory etc
> some 4 mil forced to work in Germany and 50% died there.
>
> should I continue?
>
> They can come next time. May I ask you what are you going to do
> about all this? Only crying that you are "not interested in
> ANY (!!!) wars where Rurssia is involved".
>
First I admit to all that I have heavily edited the above back and forth.
Keeping only the part pertinent to what I wish to point out !!
Michael.
How about Kamerad rather than comrade?
After all the Stalin and Hitler, communists and nazis, began their trip
as bonded allies and conspirators.
" Die fahne hoch, die reihe fest geshlosen, marshieren wir in einem
reinem fest ....... Kameraden wir ........ rot fahne ..."
from a stiring nazi march
I realize that the point which you were trying to make to Alex is that
he might think differently about a war in which Russia is involved,
If it involved him and his being killed.
E.g. if Alex were Polish, Ukrainian, Chech/Slovak, Hungarian, Chechen
etc. :)
Alex Shlega
> he might think differently about a war in which Russia is involved,
> If it involved him and his being killed.
This is another story. Once again I am not talking about self defence.
Alex
staten
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| > "ASN" <als...@comail.ru> wrote in message
| > news:a606tm$r8f$1...@storm.comstar.ru...
| > | I don't like America because:
| > |
| > | - they always supported all the enemies of us, even the worst ones of
the
| > | bandits or thieves, and prosecute the nations and states, who showed
an
| > | intention to be friendly with us (White Russia, Jugoslavia etc)
| >
| > You forgot to name Saddam and his buddy Laden. If not 9/11, you would
still
| > keep smuggling arms to this thug like that ex-KGB guy....
|
| AFAIK, Saddam&Benny were born by CIA&Co? If not 9/11, they would still
| the best friends of USA.
| ...
the
| > | power, all the monsters like Eltsin, Gaidar, Tchubais, Kozyrev,
threatened
| > | us and made hysterics by any danger for them ("the reforms cannot be
| > | fulfilled without the reformators!")... And now they fastidiously
screw up
| > | the face : "those Russians!.. They cannot without stealing".
| >
| > No one but you elected those "monsters" like you did Lenin , Stalin,
| > Andropov. So if still in misery, there is no one to blame but
yourselves.
| Nobody has elected them.
| >
| >
| > | - now, when they look to be a little bit more friendly to Russia, they
| > | present us only the good words and clapping on shoulder, and stay the
same
| > | in their political activities. They probably hope that we are the same
| > also,
| > | like in the Gorbachov time...
| >
| > Before those were not only "good words" ; we showered you with bucks
| they are back, as i know?
| hoping
| > that you may be once in a millennium may become civilized nation; but
you
| > failed -- stole everything what can be stolen remaining the same
thieves
| > and crooks like you were under Brezhnev .
| >
| >
| >
| > | I can understand very much that many of the Americans can be normal
good
| > | people, but their system is so that it plays no role.
| > |
| > | Serge
|
| Do you mean, USA is OK in compare to Russian?
|
| Kuzhon
Depends what is "OK" for Russia and what for the USA.
staten
"Michael Petukhov" <petu...@bpc.spbstu.ru> wrote in message
news:a39cf3c3.02030...@posting.google.com...
| How do you like above? Do you agree with that kind of views? This by the
| way pretty common view on Russians of so many in West. Certainly they
| would never say this into you face. Political correctess... but here
| in net they feel free you can see their real ugly face. Those are just
| the same people who invaded in 41 and killed 26.6 millions of russians,
| belorussians, ukranians kazakh, tatars etc. Among those 26.6 mil 7.5 mil
| were civilians executed by zondercommndes only, another 4.5 mil of
| civilians died due to absence of any food supply in accupied territory etc
| some 4 mil forced to work in Germany and 50% died there.
In Russia a human life always was cheaper than a penny , in WWII it was
cheaper than dirt. This plus blunders of Stalinist leadership committed in
WWII also contributed greatly to the total of all losses. Nevertheless,
Russians managed to kill more people of their own during peace time about
what they prefer keep silence, but the great dead body count sustained in
WWII for many years has served as good excuse for miserable life after the
war was far over .
staten
"Michael Petukhov" <petu...@bpc.spbstu.ru> wrote
| Again very stuipid. Gulag was in USSR not in Russia and only during
| Stalin rule. US did just the same with aboroginal indians and
| japanese US citizens. Who do you think was inventor of concentration
| camps. It was brits who did it during Anglo-Bure war. Russians and
| Germans were just good students of that science. As for biggest
| polluter. where did take this shit? Modern Russia is the only
| industral country in the world who already fulfilled its obligations
| due to Kyoto protocol.
It's because almost all industry in Russia is standstill. When your factory
chimneys are covered with web, chemical vats dried out but open-hearth
furnaces are idling , it's not so hard to comply with any protocol.
captain crap
>cheaper than dirt. This plus blunders of Stalinist leadership >committed in
>WWII also contributed greatly to the total of all losses. >Nevertheless,
>Russians managed to kill more people of their own during peace >time about
>what they prefer keep silence, but the great dead body count >sustained in
>WWII for many years has served as good excuse for miserable life >after the
>war was far over
That's a harsh thing to say.
Michael Petukhov
> > what no? All blaime others with a few exceptions like you.
>
> And this usually leads to wars, conflicts etc. When you are trying to see
> your own faults you have better chances to find a compromiss.
> But.. In this case I also blaime others. However not the USA but Russia is
> responsible for many of it's problems.
Well this is a kind of trivial. Of caurse we are primarily responsible
not for many but all. After all we among others things allowed others
(inluding US) to use our weakness (I hope temporary one) against us.
This is not a question. The question is should we closed eyes on that
activity of "others"? And this I think was nicely illustated by the story
I have cited. Actually not all others but some and very particular others.
Should it be forgotten if and when we become strong again? I do not
think so.
>
> > And externaly. But the thing is before getting better one have
> > to repeat 1000s times "I am good", I am best, there is nobody better
> > than me" and believe in that. This does not guarantee success but this
> > is fist step on the road up.
>
> I do not mind. I agree. 100% convinced.. Will vote for that anywhere. Both
> hands..
>
> BUT. If that one believes in himself, that's good. Sooner or later he will
> get what he wants. Hopefully you will not mind that we all make mistakes.
> And hence you can not be absolutely sure if you will get what you want. The
> one who believes in himself will not stop his attempts if he fails with the
> current one. Vice versa the one who thinks that he did everything right but
> he did not succeed because of other guys will most probably stop at this
> point and start complaining. Why? Because those guys are still there and he
> can do nothing about it. Or just kill them all.
I would agree but it is not a problem of the moment. The problem is
that still so many russians do not believe in themself. That's a problem.
If and when we become too selfcondifent again your arguments would be
totaly valid but not now. It is similar of bicycle driving. in order
to keep balance one have to turn bit to right after that a bit to left
etc. If you know only right (or left turning) you will fall down.
Understand?
>
>
> > Believing in "I am bad" theory can lead
> > only down.
>
> You do not understand me. Or I could not explain my point of view. I never
> said something like "I am bad". I can be bad in some particular situation
> but I am good in general. For me that does not require any arguments.. Kind
> of a faith.
>
> Even if I have not got something that does not mean that I am bad. I am
> good. Not perfect, but good. And this unperfectness allows me to make
> mistakes. That's my right to make mistakes. As well as I have a right to
> succeed. If I admit that it does not make me worse but I can ajust my
> behaviour so that next time I will do something else to reach my goals.
> Otherwise I will have to repeat my unsuccessfull actions infinite
> times(because they are the best).
>
> Alex
>
> PS. If seems to me that your message had only one intention. The main idea:
> "The USA is bad". Is that your way to prove yourself that you are good?
Wrong! But why not to inform our dear opponents that they live in a
shitty corrupt country? Certainly it should be based on well
established facts rather than expressing of negative emotions and
anger.
>Just by showing that others are bad?
If US is bad this should be exposed to everyone including to themselfs?
I have a lot to say about US. In my view it is shitty barbaric totalitarian
country gilty of all kind of crimes including crimes against humanity.
For instance it is the only one who has used weapons of massdisruction
against civilians (Hirosima and Nagasaki) and still is proud about
its barbarism. Iraq/Saddam is just innocent baby compare to US/Trumen.
Who they are to say Iraq is country of evil?
Our goverment certaily would have to say much more but you know "official
relations" do not allow to say many things. I understand this. but
I am not an official. As a free man living in a free country which in my
view is just the best contry in the world, I am going to use my freedome
of speach fully. I visited, lived or worked in some 30 countries incuding
US and can make educated judgement.
I hope I have clearified my true intentions for you.
Michael
>
>
> >
> > Michael
Annia
Michael Petukhov
It is not clear to which part of my post you try to respond on.
It seems you wonna change unplesant subject, right?
> That’s right, CCCP always = Russia.
So you agree?
> Likewise, when claiming their rights
> to other lands, Russians wouldn't hesitate to call it "proper Russia". When
> it comes to accepting responsibility for crimes committed on those lands ,
> those lands miraculously become non-Russian.
Cite where I suggest that. without it it sounds like defamation.
> Ditto for all those pro-Soviet
> ass lickers . Those retards never shy away from expressing their admiration
> with Soviet achievements where the core made up Russians . But when it
> comes to accepting responsibility for crimes committed by Soviets, it turns
> out the latter were Jews, Latvians, Ukes etc.
Who are those Soviets? they are those jews, lanvians, ukranians etc.
USSR was internationalistic country. so new UNION will be when it restores
control over its historical territory. As for crimes show me a territory
in the world where have been no crimes. US is known to be one of the most
crimanl state in the world for instance.
Michael
>
Michael Petukhov
>
> > They can come next time. May I ask you what are you going to do
> > about all this? Only crying that you are "not interested in
> > ANY (!!!) wars where Rurssia is involved".
>
> Do not try to misinterpret my main idea. That does not make any sence. I
> am not interested in occupational wars, I am interested in strong Russia but
> not in a small victorious war that you suggested a few messages above.
I see nothing bad in small victorius wars if they are small and victorius.
by the way how about chechenia?
> Or do
> you suggest to invade them BEFORE they come?
No.
> Even if they are not going to
> come?
wait and create conditions culturaly, politically and economically.
>If you do so then they are absolutely correct if they do not believe
> us still.
what if I do not? Look often you are running before paravoz.
If you have doubts ask me and I tell you the true, comrade.
Michael
Michael Petukhov
It is very difficult to impossible to separate defence from offence
if it comes to a real war. As I said before the moral appreciattion of
war is based only on its results, which can be hardly predicted before
its beginning.
I think nowdays everybody among russians and aborad agree that invasion
into Afganistan in 79 was a kind of very bad aggresive war. But it is
only because it was unsucceessful. Imagine if Afgan people would accept
ideas of communism, helped to eliminate a couple of warbarons and started
building of new society and plan economy. It was possible for instance in
Mongolia a bit early. Everybody would say than it was a great decision
to invade (or provide internationalistic help) to Afganistan.
To our western friends I can note if afgan people accepts communism it
would be doing better than it is right now in heroin free market system.
And also nobody would crash planes in TWC.
Michael
>
> Alex
ValuedCustomer
"Michael Petukhov" <petu...@bpc.spbstu.ru> wrote in message
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> ideas of communism, helped to eliminate a couple of warbarons and started
> building of new society and plan economy.
Haven't you commies screwed up enough people's lives already?
A muslim country accepting godless communism? Brilliant idea.
Michael Petukhov
> "Michael Petukhov" <petu...@bpc.spbstu.ru> wrote in message
> news:a39cf3c3.02030...@posting.google.com...
> > Imagine if Afgan people would accept
> > ideas of communism, helped to eliminate a couple of warbarons and started
> > building of new society and plan economy.
>
> Haven't you commies screwed up enough people's lives already?
No more than democratic capitalists did in Africa (slavary trade) and
China (heroin wars) etc.
>
> A muslim country accepting godless communism? Brilliant idea.
personally I see no problems with they religion. we successfully did
it several times in other places with muslim populations like
North Kavkasus or Central Asia. Communism prooved to be religion
independent.
Michael
Michael Petukhov
> Michael Petukhov wrote:
>
>
> First I admit to all that I have heavily edited the above back and forth.
> Keeping only the part pertinent to what I wish to point out !!
No problem
> How about Kamerad rather than comrade?
> After all the Stalin and Hitler, communists and nazis, began their trip
> as bonded allies and conspirators.
> " Die fahne hoch, die reihe fest geshlosen, marshieren wir in einem
> reinem fest ....... Kameraden wir ........ rot fahne ..."
> from a stiring nazi march
Well to my knowledge the only one category of people which do believe
the
legend that Stalin was ally to Hitler are pathological russophobs.
If you are not one we can talk. How about Stalin was prepairing a
powerful attack into Hitler open back when germans have sunk in bloody
battles with West? Deal of august 1939 was indeed genius diplomatic
move made
by Stalin. Who could imagine that such world powers like France and
Britan
can be destoyed in one month only without any serious damage for
Germans.
I can imagine how stalin was disappointed by their performance in
May-June, 1940. If they (France and Britane) could resist at least for
one year
(as planed in 39) the whole Europe would applaud Red Army invasion in
41 or
42.
>
> I realize that the point which you were trying to make to Alex is that
> he might think differently about a war in which Russia is involved,
> If it involved him and his being killed.
> E.g. if Alex were Polish, Ukrainian, Chech/Slovak, Hungarian, Chechen
> etc. :)
Very limited understanding indeed and a trivial question. Of caurse
as being true democrat I cannot deny any nations equal rights to
protect themselfs from anyone's invasion including Russian invasion.
Michael
ValuedCustomer
The Soviet Union was essentially a slave state. You had no right to travel
abroad. You had no right of self determination. If the state said you are a
ditch digger, that's what you were.
More reasons why the Soviet Union collapsed. Artists could not create works
without consideration of censorship.
Dr. Zhivago was a "bottom drawer" work which got published and made
Pasternak an enemy of the state. There are many such stories.
Akmatova's life is worth considering when one wants to see how wonderful the
Soviet Union was (and still is).
ValuedCustomer
"captain crap" <whoms...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> The Soviet Union was essentially a slave state.
> If the state said you are a ditch digger, that's what you were.
Methinks, they were right in your case. ROTFL
Michael Petukhov
> Russia had slavery in its past too.
>
> The Soviet Union was essentially a slave state. You had no right to travel
> abroad. You had no right of self determination. If the state said you are a
> ditch digger, that's what you were.
Is not true. It was difficult but not impossible. I personally
without being CP member or anything like this did twice over the world
trips in scientific research ship. As many my friends in other intitutes
of academy of sciences did.
> More reasons why the Soviet Union collapsed. Artists could not create works
> without consideration of censorship.
This is too much. USSR could not collapsed due to artists in any way.
We simply had not enough artists for that. You understanding of this
subject is extremely poor. If you wonna to know it was due to Gorby
and his politburo friends.
>
> Dr. Zhivago was a "bottom drawer" work which got published and made
> Pasternak an enemy of the state. There are many such stories.
This is not bad at all for quality of literature. All those stories
became greate russian literature of XX century. By far the best in the
world.
>
> Akmatova's life is worth considering when one wants to see how wonderful the
> Soviet Union was (and still is).
>
Still... are you sure in which reality you are?
Michael
staten
"Michael Petukhov" <petu...@bpc.spbstu.ru> wrote in message
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|
| It is not clear to which part of my post you try to respond on.
| It seems you wonna change unplesant subject, right?
Why should I change? It's privilege of Russians to change or to silence
shameful subjects of their history.
| > That’s right, CCCP always = Russia.
|
| So you agree?
Sure. Building of such a brutal , vicious regime could take place only in
Russia - a backward country that lived under oppression of czars for
centuries.
| > Likewise, when claiming their rights
| > to other lands, Russians wouldn't hesitate to call it "proper Russia".
When
| > it comes to accepting responsibility for crimes committed on those lands
,
| > those lands miraculously become non-Russian.
|
| Cite where I suggest that. without it it sounds like defamation.
It's actually not referred to your post but VC's comment : " CCCP=Russia.
Russians only try to separate the two when there is something they don't
want to admit to...."
| > Ditto for all those pro-Soviet
| > ass lickers . Those retards never shy away from expressing their
admiration
| > with Soviet achievements where the core made up Russians . But when it
| > comes to accepting responsibility for crimes committed by Soviets, it
turns
| > out the latter were Jews, Latvians, Ukes etc.
|
| Who are those Soviets? they are those jews, lanvians, ukranians etc.
| USSR was internationalistic country.
That's right, they were , but saying that Jews or Latvians took the same
part as Russians did in violence and crimes committed by the Soviet regime
is more than preposterous. That's exactly my and Customer's point is
about -- Russians when it boils down to something shameful in their past
always try to separate themselves from dirt by dividing Russia and the USSR
to two different societies . In contrast when cosmos or ballistic missiles
are mentioned , they certainly are achievements of Russians .
|so new UNION will be when it restores control over its historical
territory.
..and you don't need to be Solomon to guess that the new Union would be
leaded by Russia; hardly Russians would entrust a leading role in union to
some Jews or Latvians...
BTW, what Union are you talking about? A new Soviet Union? If so, how you
imagine to "restore control", as before, with tanks, NKVD and gulags?
As for crimes show me a territory
| in the world where have been no crimes. US is known to be one of the most
| crimanl state in the world for instance.
That's what you say - Russian bigots. However if you take a history of your
own state, hardly there was a similar state in the history of humanity
that could kill so many its own citizens during peace time . "Crime" is a
too mild word to describe all atrocities and brutalities committed by your
despots in the name of hazy utopia.
staten
"Michael Petukhov" <petu...@bpc.spbstu.ru> wrote in message
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| "ValuedCustomer" <bitb...@devnull.com> wrote in message
| > Russia had slavery in its past too.
| >
| > The Soviet Union was essentially a slave state. You had no right to
travel
| > abroad. You had no right of self determination. If the state said you
are a
| > ditch digger, that's what you were.
|
| Is not true. It was difficult but not impossible. I personally
| without being CP member or anything like this did twice over the world
| trips in scientific research ship. As many my friends in other intitutes
| of academy of sciences did.
|
Oh sure thing, for KGB stookachs to get permission for traveling abroad
was not hard thing at all. In contrast, they were a must with every possible
Soviet delegation traveling in foreign countries. For the rest mortals even
trip to Socialist Poland was a taboo.
| > More reasons why the Soviet Union collapsed. Artists could not create
works
| > without consideration of censorship.
|
| This is too much. USSR could not collapsed due to artists in any way.
| We simply had not enough artists for that. You understanding of this
| subject is extremely poor. If you wonna to know it was due to Gorby
| and his politburo friends.
|
It wasn't because of Gorby. Gorby was just a guy who dared to say openly
that the Soviet regime is fatally ill. But the Soviet regime was so rotten
through , so corrupted and so degraded that even mentioning about its
immorality and shortcomings openly was enough so that to cause a fall - a
fall under burden of its own weight.
| > Dr. Zhivago was a "bottom drawer" work which got published and made
| > Pasternak an enemy of the state. There are many such stories.
|
| This is not bad at all for quality of literature. All those stories
| became greate russian literature of XX century. By far the best in the
| world.
"Great Russian literature" became before introducing a total control over
minds. Pasternak, Akhmatova, Bulgakov were children of their age knowing no
publishers in the KGB shoulder-straps. Right after their era, there was no
one work that might have been called "great".
| >
| > Akmatova's life is worth considering when one wants to see how wonderful
the
| > Soviet Union was (and still is).
| >
|
| Still... are you sure in which reality you are?
|
| Michael
Sure. You and the rest Russian flag-wavers on this NG still living in the
Soviet Union.
captain crap
Michael Petukhov
> "Michael Petukhov" <petu...@bpc.spbstu.ru> wrote in message
> news:a39cf3c3.02030...@posting.google.com...
> | "ValuedCustomer" <bitb...@devnull.com> wrote in message
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> | > Russia had slavery in its past too.
> | >
> | > The Soviet Union was essentially a slave state. You had no right to
> travel
> | > abroad. You had no right of self determination. If the state said you
> are a
> | > ditch digger, that's what you were.
> |
> | Is not true. It was difficult but not impossible. I personally
> | without being CP member or anything like this did twice over the world
> | trips in scientific research ship. As many my friends in other intitutes
> | of academy of sciences did.
> |
>
> Oh sure thing, for KGB stookachs to get permission for traveling abroad
> was not hard thing at all. In contrast, they were a must with every possible
> Soviet delegation traveling in foreign countries. For the rest mortals even
> trip to Socialist Poland was a taboo.
>
you seems suggest that I was KGB stookachs as you call it, don't you?
Is what that correct? if so and if you do not show your evidences
I'll call you liar in each next post in this NG. So I am waiting.
Michael
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
> "ValuedCustomer" <bitb...@devnull.com> wrote
> > A muslim country accepting godless communism? Brilliant idea.
>
> personally I see no problems with they religion. we successfully did
> it several times in other places with muslim populations like
> North Kavkasus or Central Asia. Communism prooved to be religion
> independent.
>
"Communism prooved to be religion independant" :)
What an understatement!
That really tickles my funnybone.
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
> "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <urj...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<3C87A6BF...@bellsouth.net>...
> > Michael Petukhov wrote:
> >
> >
> > First I admit to all that I have heavily edited the above back and forth.
> > Keeping only the part pertinent to what I wish to point out !!
>
> No problem
>
> > How about Kamerad rather than comrade?
> > After all the Stalin and Hitler, communists and nazis, began their trip
> > as bonded allies and conspirators.
> > " Die fahne hoch, die reihe fest geshlosen, marshieren wir in einem
> > reinem fest ....... Kameraden wir ........ rot fahne ..."
> > from a stiring nazi march
>
> Well to my knowledge the only one category of people which do believe
> the legend that Stalin was ally to Hitler are pathological russophobs.
> If you are not one we can talk. How about Stalin was prepairing a
> powerful attack into Hitler open back when germans have sunk in bloody
> battles with West? Deal of august 1939 was indeed genius diplomatic
> move made by Stalin.
> Who could imagine that such world powers like France and Britan can
> be destoyed in one month only without any serious damage for Germans.
> I can imagine how stalin was disappointed by their performance in
> May-June, 1940. If they (France and Britane) could resist at least for
> one year (as planed in 39)
> the whole Europe would applaud Red Army invasion in 41 or 42.
The sound of one hand clapping.
staten
First of all I didn't say anything about you personally , just in general.
If you recognized yourself in this category it's not my fault and I
absolutely don't care how you're gonna to call me - you are entitled for
your opinion , I'm for mine; if you disagree say it that what counts but
don't start playing an innocent virgin demanding satisfaction because no
one believes her virginity.
Annia
realise the erosion of it. It's high time Americans see that their media
and the government are corrupt and serve commercial interests. It's no
longer people who rule in America, but large corporations and thus America
can't really be called a democratic country. Look at your own laws, find
nothing wrong with your current US president's policy?
Bill of Rights:.
Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom
of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed.
Amendment III No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house,
without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be
prescribed by law.
Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not
be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported
by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise
infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury,
except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when
in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be
subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb;
nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,
nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just
compensation.
Amendment VI In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right
to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district
wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been
previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of
the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have
compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the
Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Amendment VII In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall
exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no
fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any Court of the
United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines
imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall
not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the
Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
respectively, or to the people.
Face it, what is Amendment II but a warning to the government to behave
itself and respect its people.
A.
"ValuedCustomer" <bitb...@devnull.com> wrote in message
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> USA is a shining beacon of freedom and prosperity throughout the world.
> What destructions and misery are you talking about?
> Do you think the US should sit idly by while countries like Columbia
smuggle
> drugs into the US?
>
> You live in Canada. Tell us how the USA bully is maiking your life
> unbearable there.
>
>
> "Annia" <asoch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Excuse me! What about most of the countries of Central and South
America?
> > You call it "influence"? When the US financed and supported the
overthrow
> of
> > the first nationally elected governemnt in Guatemala because the
> commercial
> > interests of the US were affected and put their own government! What
about
> > Haiti, Columbia, Ecuador? What about the School of Americas that trained
> and
> > provided military forces to suppress and terrorise the citizens?
> > Everywhere Americans go covered under the pretty words of helping the
> world
> > they cause destructions and misery. They think they are the police of
hte
> > world. What they really are - they are the biggest world's bullies!
> > A.
> > "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <urj...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:3C8613D2...@bellsouth.net...
> > > Alex Shlega wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <urj...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:3C85F1EB...@bellsouth.net...
> > > > > Michael Petukhov wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Including geopolitical. We are not europeans, Chineses and
arabs.
> > > > > > Thus our geopolitical place is FSU territory. We will have lots
> > > > > > to do there during next 100 years. If US wonts have russians
> > > > > > as good friends they have better to keep hands off the FSU.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your place is Russia, the area around Moscow.
> > > > > Please stay away from the FSU, i.e. keep your claws out of the
> > > > > liberated countries of the former Russian empire.
> > > > > Of course all other imperialist pretenders are also unwelcome
> > > >
> > > > I am not an imperialist if I am talking about Rusian geopolitical
> > > > interests. But I agree that FSU is inside Russia's interests. I do
not
> > know
> > > > where are you from but if you country can not afford to influence
> others
> > > > that does not mean Russia also have to keep silence. It's simply
> > > > impossible.. However of course I am not talking about any sort of
war
> > > > conflicts and so on. As it is said FSU is our geopolitical place.
Just
> > by
> > > > our own placement.
> > > > But I do not agree with the statement that USA should keep hands
of
> > the
> > > > FSU. This statement is simply useless.. If we can not influence FSU
> then
> > > > somebody else will. Most probably the USA will do it. We can not
avoid
> > it,
> > > > we can only try to have more influence on our neighbours than the
USA.
> > > > Again, that does not mean that Russia should produce mighty army and
> > threat
> > > > it's neighbours. There are other and much more friendly ways.
> > > >
> > > > Alex
> > >
> > > Influence but not subjugate, occupy.
> > > The USA influences both Canada and Mexico, but does not forcibly
occupy.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Stuart Wilkes
There was Albania... "There is no God, and Mohammed is his Prophet"
Stuart Wilkes
mall...@yahoo.com
>
> There was Albania... "There is no God, and Mohammed is his Prophet"
Touche!
ValuedCustomer
Too bad they abandoned communism as soon as they had the option. I guess it
wasn't such a paradise after all?
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Stuart Wilkes
> Albania...another communist paradise!
> Too bad they abandoned communism as soon as they had the option. I guess it
> wasn't such a paradise after all?
On occasion, my tongue is firmly in cheek...
Stuart Wilkes