Etymology of name "Putin"
Frenchy lady
I would like to know more about the etymology of president Putin's
family name.
Could anybody help me ?
P.S. I'm French, I can read English, but not Russian.
Thanks in advance !
F. L.
Mr. Fun
"Frenchy lady" <Sylvain...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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If Putin is an insect, which one?
vello
Put-in, small "put"?? No idea what "put" means.
Trident
How about: put-in garbage.
Trident
MirTopolskiRexPrez
> Nobody knows for sure. I think the most likely etymology is
> from "putya" which in some Russian dialects means
> dimwit, useless man. In this interpretation "Putin" would
> mean son of a village idiot or something like that.
No way. Reportedly his name has Karelo-Finnish origin. I reposted
references to s.c.baltics a few months ago.
MirTopolskiRexPrez
> but "no way"? No way you can exclude it.
Hey the guy is *very smart*, ergo no way "a village idiot"! Consider
Brookski to see the difference! :-D Now being at this consider business
note that Putin's appearance is typical for a "piterskij chukhonec"
(питерский чухонец), ergo Karelo-Finnish connections are quite
plausible. As for the references, try DejaNews - I discovered smth in
russian internet and reposted to s.c.baltics a few months ago (thread
"Putin ...").
kirill
DK is engaging in the typical intellectual diarreah of "russian"
self-haters. You can find such clowns at the Moscow Times and
the Moscow News.
kirill
"Put" means "way" in Russian. A derivative word is "rasputitsa"
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasputitsa) so an association with
"road" is also there. You can see where "Rasputin" and similarly
"Putin" comes from.
Franceski
"kirill" <kir...@university.ca> wrote in message
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fatso
> LOL. You are the best, Kirill! I am a "russian" and a self-hater.
> Good job.
>
> Now, very slowly, to make sure you understand:
>
> 1) Family names can be very, very old, and their etymologies can
> be very very strange (I knew one Rabinovich whose family came
> from a Russian village where all peasants were given Jewish names
> by master).
>
> 2) If someone's family had any trait in one person 20+ generations
> ago, it bears essentially no relation to the presently living person.
> Chances are excellent you can find an imbecile in Einstein's family.
> So your taking an offence for Putin is *extremely* stupid.
>
> 3) I'd be interested in seeing a more likely etymology given.
> Yours, seemingly most obvious, from "put'/путь" does not strike
> me is as very likely. In this case derivation from old slavic name
> Putyaj/Putilo is much more likely but what the hell Putyaj means
> remains unclear.
>
> 4) Similarly, the etymology of Rasputin is almost certain to not have
> anything to do with "put'". It comes from an old name
> Rosputa/Rasputa (which may or may not be related to
> rasputnyj/licentious). Rasputa/rasputitsa (flood, mud road season)
> and rasput'e (crossroad) are probably only homonyms.
>
> DK
Putain (fr) or putana (sp) = a whore
Could Vladimir Putin be a descendand of a whore, which came to Russia
c/o Napoleon's Grand Armee?
fatso
Mr. Fun
"Franceski" <lu...@me.ca> wrote in message
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> For us "Poutine" is a bunch of french fries with cheese and gravy.
>
You are confusing Vladimir Putin with Vladimir Pomfritz.
Durak
"Mr. Fun" <Funn...@WhoopieCushions.ru> wrote in message
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Easy. A lice.
Franceski
"Durak" <a@b.c> wrote in message news:425148ca$7...@clarion.carno.net.au...
D'apres ce que j'ai compris, ce qui fait le plus de sens, c'est que Poutine
aurait pour racine "la voie" ou "le chemin". D'autres dise "inutile" ou
encore "putain".
MirTopolskiRexPrez
> Could Vladimir Putin be a descendand of a whore, which came to Russia
> c/o Napoleon's Grand Armee?
Pani Walewska? Hardly ...
The Black Monk
http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/6536-1.cfm
regards,
BM
DK wrote:
> In article <1112461497.0...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Frenchy lady" <Sylvain...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >I would like to know more about the etymology of president Putin's
> >family name.
>
> Nobody knows for sure. I think the most likely etymology is
> from "putya" which in some Russian dialects means
> dimwit, useless man. In this interpretation "Putin" would
> mean son of a village idiot or something like that.
>
> DK
MirTopolskiRexPrez
he should ascend Russian throne before it's too late!
Sunshine
President Putin is too smart to do that. There are no kings or tsars or
royalty anywhere in the world left with absolute power but as President
of Russia thats what President Putin has. Whty would he give that up?
Besides the last Tsar of Russia was executed as was his whole family.
Other kings all over the world have also been variously executed,
exiled, stripped off their wealth and power and dignity and in Britain
the royals are the butt of standup comedians and comedy shows with the
tabloids hovering like vultures over the slightest faux pax. Why would
President Putin want any of that?
All he needs is a little change in law that wont restrict him to just
two terms as President as at present.
Sunshine
kirill
Two term limits are a gimmick. Roosevelt was president for four consequtive terms.
In Canada Trudeau was in office for almost 16 years and there are no limits
on terms.
Of course if Putin tries to stay on then this will "prove" to the foam-at-the-mouth
russophobes that he is a "dictator" even though he has no rivals in popularity.
vello
You can talk about "popularity" in contecst of nations with free media
only. It's easy to be popular when oppositions mouth is tied and faces
far from TV screens.
fatso
> You can talk about "popularity" in contecst of nations with free media
> only. It's easy to be popular when oppositions mouth is tied and faces
> far from TV screens.
>
you russki dimwits did not take notice, obviously, what I had to say
some 4 months ago. It was ALL revealed in the revelations by one
Nostradamus ,a french-jewish seer, some 400 yrs ago.
He said, clearly, that after the Boris, the Three-fingered one(missing
thumb in Yeltzin's right hand counts as two fingers to orthopaedic
surgeon)- after him will come The Ratcatcher and ascend the Throne of
Muscovy. It is well known that Putin was called a Rat by his betters in
the former KGB.
So go forth, you vodka&salo eaters, find the connection between Putin
and a Rat!
fatso
Sunshine
You dont have to defend President Putin with me. I agree with you that
there is really no one else to lead Russia today.
When the new Constitution was enacted in 1993 for the Russian
Federation it limited the term of office of the President to only two
terms just as the the US has limited the term of their President too to
two terms only. The reason was to avoid one person staying too long in
power as during the Soviet years. In the modern world only dictators
and despots want to be 'President for life' like some Presidents in
African or South American countries and in the Central Asian Republics.
But President Putin has a lot of work to get done like introducing
economic, social and political reforms, winning the Chechysn war etc so
he needs time and two terms of four years each is not enough. However
the law limiting the Presidency to two terms can be changed as long as
they get a clear majority in a ful Parliament but since President Putin
enjoys a majority in Parliament that shouldnt be a problem. Of course
there will be criticism but thats something that wont bother him,
You are certainly right about the US President Franklin D. Roosevelt
being elected for the 4th Term in office in Nov 1944 but that was due
the way he had helped the US pull through the Depression between the
two World Wars with the New Deal and his leadership in WWII. But by
April 1945 he died of a brain hemorrhage and was succeeded by his vice
president Harry S. Truman. This is why in 1951 the Twenty-second
Amendment to the United States Constitution was passed, which limited
all presidents from that point forward to two terms which was until
then only a custom that had been established by the first US President
ie George Washington and had been followed by every president up to
Roosevelt. But now it was no longer just a custom or directive but
became law.
Canada has a Prime Minister (not a President) and like the Prime
Ministers of other democratic governments like the UK and India there
is no limit for Prime Ministers for the number of terms they can serve
in office provided they win the general elections and have the
confidence of their respective parties and their members in Parliament.
Sunshine
Begemot2
>For us "Poutine" is a bunch of french fries with cheese and gravy.
In Portuguese, "Putim" sounds a lot like "pudim" ("pudding").
kirill
> Hello Kirill,
> You dont have to defend President Putin with me. I agree with you that
> there is really no one else to lead Russia today.
>
> When the new Constitution was enacted in 1993 for the Russian
> Federation it limited the term of office of the President to only two
> terms just as the the US has limited the term of their President too to
> two terms only. The reason was to avoid one person staying too long in
> power as during the Soviet years. In the modern world only dictators
> and despots want to be 'President for life' like some Presidents in
> African or South American countries and in the Central Asian Republics.
Yeltsin's constitution also gave the president too much power.
> You are certainly right about the US President Franklin D. Roosevelt
> being elected for the 4th Term in office in Nov 1944 but that was due
> the way he had helped the US pull through the Depression between the
> two World Wars with the New Deal and his leadership in WWII.
Putin has helped Russia pull through a much harsher depression.
Before Putin there was economic collapse, under his government there
has been growth. Russia is on track to reach its 1991 level of GDP
by 2007.
> But by
> April 1945 he died of a brain hemorrhage and was succeeded by his vice
> president Harry S. Truman. This is why in 1951 the Twenty-second
> Amendment to the United States Constitution was passed, which limited
> all presidents from that point forward to two terms which was until
> then only a custom that had been established by the first US President
> ie George Washington and had been followed by every president up to
> Roosevelt. But now it was no longer just a custom or directive but
> became law.
As long as the economy keeps going well this law will make sense.
>
> Canada has a Prime Minister (not a President) and like the Prime
> Ministers of other democratic governments like the UK and India there
> is no limit for Prime Ministers for the number of terms they can serve
> in office provided they win the general elections and have the
> confidence of their respective parties and their members in Parliament.
Which shows that term limits have no connection to democracy. If Putin can
win the next election he should be able to govern for another term. It
is highly offensive for western media outlets, including Canadian ones,
to sermonize about the "lack of Russian democracy" because fringe candidates
don't get elected. During the last federal election in Canada, the Green
Party got almost no media coverage compared to the Liberals, neo-Conservatives
and NDP. The Green Party has about 5% support which is the same as SPS and
Yabloko in Russia. The western media also brazenly lies about the amount
of coverage that Khakamada and Yavlinsky got during the last election. One
is supposed to think that they got no coverage when in fact they got as much
as the NDP in Canada. Bush's or Martin's official roles don't get zero coverage
during election campaigns in the USA and Canada, respectively. Yet in Russia
coverage of Putin in official roles is deemed a crime against democracy.
The western media is only stoking anti-western sentiment with its hate-filled
drivel, even if the media owners and editors think they are still fighting
a righteous cold war against the USSR.
Franceski
> Sunshine wrote:
> > Hello MirTopolskiRexPrez,
> > President Putin is too smart to do that. There are no kings or tsars or
> > royalty anywhere in the world left with absolute power but as President
> > of Russia thats what President Putin has. Whty would he give that up?
> >
> > Besides the last Tsar of Russia was executed as was his whole family.
> > Other kings all over the world have also been variously executed,
> > exiled, stripped off their wealth and power and dignity and in Britain
> > the royals are the butt of standup comedians and comedy shows with the
> > tabloids hovering like vultures over the slightest faux pax. Why would
> > President Putin want any of that?
> >
> > All he needs is a little change in law that wont restrict him to just
> > two terms as President as at present.
>
> Two term limits are a gimmick. Roosevelt was president for four
consequtive terms.
> In Canada Trudeau was in office for almost 16 years and there are no
limits
> on terms.
Trudeau! What a shame. The most pretentious and snobish PM ever. It's an
insult that an airport in Quebec has his name. Most are glad he's dead.
Franceski
You are right. Vitriolic, but right. Russia is always criticized more then
other countries. For what reasons, I'm not sure. I think that there are
still a kind of fear of Russia left by all the cold war propaganda machine
of the west. Putin is not perfect, but he's not bad. The medias everywhere
are deeply biased. Russian medias for total abscence of criticism. Western
medias (humm, what is west now anyway? Certainly not an homogenous group)
for having double standards when covering political affairs of Russia and
other countries.
The tendency to support pro-western revolutions everytime a pro-moscow
candidate wins an election is hard to justify when the same medias close
their eyes on irregularities in traditionnal allies elections and recognize
the winner instantly. Ok, Ukraine looked suspicious, but who complained
about Bush robbery and all the appearances of fraud in 2000? Only a few shy
editorials dared to criticize a little bit. What's happening now is that the
message received in former USSR countries is the following: If you're not
happy with the results of the election, just complain, threathen, use
violence if needed to get your candidate to win. This is not exactly
democracy. Democracy is not the voice of the strongest or the voice of the
most angry, it's the voice of the majority. What if after the 1995
referendum, angry separatist quebecois unsatisfied by the results made a
"lily revolution"? The double-standard would have been evident. For the
medias, west is always rigth and Russia is always wrong. Any mean to
marginalize Russia is OK, because hey, the TV says it is right. Populations
of western countries are almost totally controlled by the best information
manipulators. This said, russian medias sux too.
kirill
Franceski wrote:
>
> "kirill" <kir...@university.ca> wrote in message
> news:xkA4e.593$2W4...@fe51.usenetserver.com...
> > Sunshine wrote:
> > > Hello MirTopolskiRexPrez,
> > > President Putin is too smart to do that. There are no kings or tsars or
> > > royalty anywhere in the world left with absolute power but as President
> > > of Russia thats what President Putin has. Whty would he give that up?
> > >
> > > Besides the last Tsar of Russia was executed as was his whole family.
> > > Other kings all over the world have also been variously executed,
> > > exiled, stripped off their wealth and power and dignity and in Britain
> > > the royals are the butt of standup comedians and comedy shows with the
> > > tabloids hovering like vultures over the slightest faux pax. Why would
> > > President Putin want any of that?
> > >
> > > All he needs is a little change in law that wont restrict him to just
> > > two terms as President as at present.
> >
> > Two term limits are a gimmick. Roosevelt was president for four
> consequtive terms.
> > In Canada Trudeau was in office for almost 16 years and there are no
> limits
> > on terms.
>
> Trudeau! What a shame. The most pretentious and snobish PM ever. It's an
> insult that an airport in Quebec has his name. Most are glad he's dead.
Only in Quebec and Alberta.
kirill
The meddling in the Balkans and ex-USSR is quite intense. Assorted "NGO"s
are created in fragile transition countries to manipulate public opinion,
through unscientific polls and hysterical claims, and to organize militants
(e.g. Otpor, Pora, etc). These organizations exist on western, mainly US,
money and would not form naturally in these countries. This is the export
of revolution, the crime that the west accused the USSR of committing. This
sort of meddling would backfire in Quebec and other countries where the
government is functional and seen as legitimate by most people.
> The double-standard would have been evident. For the
> medias, west is always rigth and Russia is always wrong. Any mean to
> marginalize Russia is OK, because hey, the TV says it is right. Populations
> of western countries are almost totally controlled by the best information
> manipulators. This said, russian medias sux too.
Actually there is much, much more self-criticism in the Russian media than
in the western media. After the Iraq invasion the American (and Canadian)
media have no credibility. They parroted every lie of the Bush regime.
The CBC actually censored reports on civilian casualties during the initial
drive to Bagdad. I remember Don Murray wailing over some building burning
near a mosque in Kosovo, but another CBC reporter was beaming with pride
as images of a mosque destroyed by American forces in Fallujah were shown,
while he was yammering about "successful pounding of militants". People
in Russia don't give the media the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately
people in the west do.
Captain!
"DK" <d...@no.email.thankstospam.net> wrote in message
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> In article <1112461497.0...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "Frenchy lady" <Sylvain...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>I would like to know more about the etymology of president Putin's
>>family name.
>
> Nobody knows for sure. I think the most likely etymology is
> from "putya" which in some Russian dialects means
> dimwit, useless man. In this interpretation "Putin" would
> mean son of a village idiot or something like that.
>
> DK
>
how about "put'" which is "path".
or for a more cynical person " puty" which is "shackles".
Captain!
bwahahaha....
once again kirill has spoken. dima makes jokes about putin, thus he is a
self hating russian or " one o dem self-hatin rUsskis".
Captain!
>
<snip>
People
> in Russia don't give the media the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately
> people in the west do.
>
that all depends on your family and social circles i think.
Captain!
>
> "kirill" <kir...@university.ca> wrote in message
> news:xkA4e.593$2W4...@fe51.usenetserver.com...
>> Sunshine wrote:
>> > Hello MirTopolskiRexPrez,
>> > President Putin is too smart to do that. There are no kings or tsars or
>> > royalty anywhere in the world left with absolute power but as President
>> > of Russia thats what President Putin has. Whty would he give that up?
>> >
>> > Besides the last Tsar of Russia was executed as was his whole family.
>> > Other kings all over the world have also been variously executed,
>> > exiled, stripped off their wealth and power and dignity and in Britain
>> > the royals are the butt of standup comedians and comedy shows with the
>> > tabloids hovering like vultures over the slightest faux pax. Why would
>> > President Putin want any of that?
>> >
>> > All he needs is a little change in law that wont restrict him to just
>> > two terms as President as at present.
>>
>> Two term limits are a gimmick. Roosevelt was president for four
> consequtive terms.
>> In Canada Trudeau was in office for almost 16 years and there are no
> limits
>> on terms.
>
>
> Trudeau! What a shame. The most pretentious and snobish PM ever. It's an
> insult that an airport in Quebec has his name. Most are glad he's dead.
>
why?
MirTopolskiRexPrez
> It was ALL revealed in the revelations by one
> Nostradamus ,a french-jewish seer, some 400 yrs ago.
> He said, clearly, that after the Boris, the Three-fingered one(missing
> thumb in Yeltzin's right hand counts as two fingers to orthopaedic
> surgeon)- after him will come The Ratcatcher and ascend the Throne of
> Muscovy.
LOL. Who invented this crap, weirdo? Please repost Nostra's (French)
original!
MirTopolskiRexPrez
Well big country like Russia needs more time and effort for reformatting
itself in a peaceful mode. I guess that current French presidential
republicanism is the best model for Russia. So let us compare "small"
France with its 6-year Prez term to "big" Russia. CIA sez:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/
1) Russian land area = 16,995,800 sq km
2) French land area = 545,630 sq km
Ergo maths + Maple sez that Russian mostly desired Prez term is:
evalf(6*sqrt(16995800/545630)) = 33.48674506 years
This suits better to monarchy than plain presidency, isn't it?
CrustyTheClown
"Captain!" <Spammer...@now.net> wrote in message
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kirill thinks everyone should be dead.
CrustyTheClown
"MirTopolskiRexPrez" <b...@black.hole> wrote in message
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If it was based on how many are HIV infected, how long would Putin/Chirac
serve?
Perhaps serving as president should be the same as for CEO's? In this case
the bonus would be an additional year, not a financial bonus. For instance,
if Putin ensures that Russia's supplies its full quota to the European
sex-slave industry, he could be awarded stock options in the "Pink Pussycat
Men's Club" or an additional year as Russia's president or a matching set of
bathroom towels including scented soap and bubble bath crystals.
CrustyTheClown
>
> "DK" <d...@no.email.thankstospam.net> wrote in message
> news:d2ntkl$t76$1...@news.doit.wisc.edu...
>> In article <1112461497.0...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>> "Frenchy lady" <Sylvain...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>I would like to know more about the etymology of president Putin's
>>>family name.
>>
>> Nobody knows for sure. I think the most likely etymology is
>> from "putya" which in some Russian dialects means
>> dimwit, useless man. In this interpretation "Putin" would
>> mean son of a village idiot or something like that.
>>
>> DK
>>
>
Obviously "Putin" is derived from "Pootie-Poot".
MirTopolskiRexPrez
U R just mucho stoopet Brookski. Get lost awhile ...
anyway if France had the US 4-year Prez term then the Russian one would
be slightly more realistic:
evalf(4*sqrt(16995800/545630)) = 22.32449671 years
Franceski
Abusing police brutality toward french canadians. The only PM to use The War
Measures Act during peacetime, an ironic choice for a man who had always
placed such a high value on civil liberties. This allowed the Armed Forces
and police to arrest and detain hundreds of people, many of them simply
separatist sympathizers with no connection to the FLQ. The huge debt of
Canada. Constitutionnal betrayal of 1982, and so muh more. He could have had
his name in another province, not here. He had an incredible ego. When a
humorist asked him questions about his last book, he lost control, he told
him "Vous etes une merde" = You are a shit. He hit him on his face (glasses)
and kicked him in the balls. Doesn't look like a great man's behavior to me.
And soon after, they rename the Dorval airport after his name.
The only good things he did was to introduce official bilingualism and piss
off the US.
Captain!
> In article <KCJ4e.4054$vt1.3763@edtnps90>, "Captain!"
>>
>>bwahahaha....
>>once again kirill has spoken. dima makes jokes about putin, thus he is a
>>self hating russian or " one o dem self-hatin rUsskis".
>
so you really are a self hating russian?
I really think it's the most likely etymology
> of the name. You see, etymology is a lot more than just a bunch of
> similar-sounding words (ct. your "put'" and "puty")
>
> DK
>
>
Captain!
oh c'mon. you can't say that you don't appreciate the humor in a good kick
in the balls.
Captain!
"DK" <d...@no.email.thankstospam.net> wrote in message
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> In article <KCJ4e.4054$vt1.3763@edtnps90>, "Captain!"
> <Spammer...@now.net> wrote:
>>
>>once again kirill has spoken. dima makes jokes about putin, thus he is a
>>self hating russian or " one o dem self-hatin rUsskis".
>
> of the name. You see, etymology is a lot more than just a bunch of
> similar-sounding words (ct. your "put'" and "puty")
>
> DK
>
so? maybe the putin family used to make shackles back in the day.
maybe they were a family of pathfinders who's services were sought from near
and far.
Franceski
Yeah, of course. PET even had a smile all the time doing it. So that
explains everything... I just tried to imagine Charles De Gaulle or Queen
Elizabeth doing something similar. It looked weird to me.
Captain!
this topic reminded me of some of my notes from a while back which i will
post for those who may be interested.
etymology, etimologiya:
"spasibo" comes from three words : "spasi" (save) , "tebya" (your), and
"bog" (god).
"kopeika" is not derived from "kopit' " as my teacher said some people
believe. instead it comes from " kop'yo" which means "spear". on the early
kopeks there was a horseman with a spear and this is where their name came
from.
ruble (rubl') comes from the verb " rubit' " which means "to chop". the old
rubles were "chopped" from a long roll of silver by moneymakers.
"persten' " which i believe means a wedding ring comes from the old russian
word for finger "perst" (palets was only the thumb in old russian).
sa...@neura.it
I would give you an very original derivation.
Today I read from an authoritative Italian newspaper, "L'Arena di
Verona", than Putin should descend from an Venetian family. In fact,
in Venetian the word "putin" literally mean "baby, young boy".
Franceski
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Did anyone thought about puta, putan, putain. Russian has a lot of latin
origins and this is very latin.
kirill
I like this one. There are a few western transplants into Russia.
For example Lermontoff who was a Scott. But I still think that
Putin is just a shortened version of Rasputin. Another poster
had an article about bastards of Russian royalty getting clipped
versions of royal names, but the formula they presented doesn't
apply to Putin's name. I think that Putin is a clipped version
that is consistent with the recipe for clipping royal names but
for some reason applied to a commoner name.
CrustyTheClown
His name is derived from what his horny mama said to his papa...put in!, put
in!
13jac...@gmail.com
You can see the current spread of the surname Putin in Veneto and Italy at this link:
http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turismo-viaggi-e-tradizioni-italia?cognome=putin&x=0&y=0#.Vh1_GPntmko
