APOLOGY - cu nivel
Futatorul
How you ,men of A(ol), have been affected by my accusers, I do not know.
For my part, even I nearly forgot myself because of them, so persuasively did
they speak. And yet they have said, so to speak, nothing true. I wondered
most at one of the many falsehoods they told, when they said that you should
beware that you are not deceived my me, since I am a clever speaker.....So
they, as I say, have said little or nothing true, while from me you will hear
the whole truth-but by Z, men of A(ol), not beautifully spoken speeches, like
theirs, adorned with phrases and words; rather what you hear will be spoken at
random in the words that I happen upon-for I trust that the things I say are
just-and let none of you expect otherwise.....
So first, men of A(ol) it is just for me to speak in defense against the
first false charges against and the first accusers, and next against the later
charges and the later accusers. For many have accused me to you, even long
ago, talking now for many years and saying nothing true: and I fear them more
than A and those around Him/er, although they too are dangerous.....They got
hold of the many of you from childhood, and they accused me and persuaded
you-although it is no more true than the present charge-that there is a certain
S (ob), a wise man, a thinker of the things aloft, who has investigated all
things under the earth, and who makes the weaker speech, the stronger.....the
most unreasonable thing of all is that it is not even possible to know and to
say their names, unless a certain one happens to be a comic poet, who persuaded
others, after being convinced themselves....for it is also not possible to have
any of them come forward here and to refute him, but it is necessary for me
simply to speak in my defense as though fighting with shadows and refuting with
no one to answer....
But, in fact, men of A(ol), that I do not do injustice according to M’s
indictment, does not seem to me to require much of a defense speech, but even
this is sufficient. But what I was saying earlier-that I have incurred much
hatred, and among many men-know well that this is true. And this is what will
convict me, if it does convict me: Not M or A, but the slander and envy of the
many. This has convicted many other good men too, and I suppose it will also
convict me.. And there is no danger that it will stop with me. Perhaps, then
someone might say "Then are you not ashamed S (ob) of having followed the sort
of pursuit from which you now run the risk of dying?". I would respond to him
with a just speech: "what you say is ignoble fellow, if you suppose that a man
who is of even a little benefit would take into account the longer living or
dying, but not rather consider this alone, whenever he acts: whether his
actions are just or unjust, and the deeds of a good man or a bad.....perhaps
you suppose, men of A(ol), that I have been convicted because I was at a loss
for the sort of speeches that would have persuaded you, if I had supposed that
I should do and say anything at all to escape the penalty. Far from it.
Rather I have been convicted because I was at a loss, not however for speeches,
but for daring, and shameless and willingness to say the sorts of things to you
that you would have been, most pleased to hear; me wailing and lamenting and
doing and saying many other things unworthy of me, as I affirm such things YOU
have been accustomed to hear from others. But neither did I then supposed
that I should do anything unsuitable to a free man because for the danger, nor
do I now regret that. I made my defense speech like this: I much prefer to die
having made my defense speech in this way than to live in that way.....
Pentru toti baietii plini de cultura....with my compliments
Il F
Daniil S
Futatorul
>Aren't we a bit presumptuous to quote such >ilustrious a source?
Not if "we" would like a response in kind....thank you for yours, you must
admit, the "match" was too good to pass up, wasn't it?
Il F
Daniil S
>Not if "we" would like a response in kind....thank you for yours, you must
>admit, the "match" was too good to pass up, wasn't it?
Similar harangues by Demosthenes or Cicero could have been just as "apropos". I
also suggest that you make nice to "Clara" and bring her back into the fold.
You have to admit that things are getting a bit boring around here.
An adversarial mind set is not necessarily bad, just as an accomodating one is
not necessarily good. This ecosystem, just like the "natural" world, needs its
diversity if it's not to slide into entropy. How do you feel about them apples?
Nowaaa
>Date: Mon, Nov 30, 1998 09:29 EST
>Message-id: <19981130092957...@ng27.aol.com>
>
>
>This ecosystem, just like the "natural" world, needs its
>diversity if it's not to slide into entropy.
but too much entropy from the same source soon becomes chaos.
How do you feel about them
>apples?
les pommes: il suffit q'une est pourrie....pour gaspiller le panier!!!
another citizen of A(ol),
friend of Socrates
Futatorul
natural desires some are necessary and some merely natural; and of the
necessary, some are necessary for happiness and some for freeing the body from
troubles and some for life itself...For we do everything for the sake of being
either in pain or in terror. ..For we are in need of pleasure only when we are
in pain, because of the absence of pleasure; and when we are not in pain, then
we no longer need pleasure. And this is why we say that pleasure is the
starting-point and goal of living blessedly. For we recognized this as our
first innate good, and this is our starting point for every choice and
avoidance, and we come to this by judging every good by the criterion of
feeling. And we believe many pains to be better than pleasures when greater
pleasure follows for a long while if we endure the pains. So, every pleasure
is a good thing, since it has a nature congenial (to us), but not every one is
to be chosen...It is, however, appropriate to make all these decisions by
comparative measurement and an examination of advantages and disadvantages.
For at some times we treat the good thing as bad and, conversely, the bad
things as good.
Prudence as the principle of all these things and is the greatest good. That
is why prudence is a more valuable thing than philosophy.. For prudence is the
source of all the other virtues, teaching that it is impossible to live
pleasantly without living prudently, honorably, and justly and impossible to
live prudently, honorably and justly without living pleasantly. For the
virtues are natural adjuncts of the pleasant life ad the pleasant life is
inseparable from them.
Asa ca eu ma duc sa-mi caut niste "real pleasures" ca pe scr nu prea gasesc
decit onanie mintala....Cheerio!!!!
Nowaaa
>decit onanie mintala....Cheerio!!!!
Cheerio!!!
Revenge is a kind of wild justice, which the more man's nature runs to, the
more ought law to weed it out. In taking revenge, a man is but even with his
enemy, but in passing it over, he is superior. That which is past is gone and
irrevocable, and wise men have enough to do with things present and to come;
therefore they do but trifle with themselves that labor in past matters. A man
that studies revenge keeps his own wounds green, which otherwise would heal and
do well.
"Vere magnum habere fragilitatem hominis securitatem Dei."
Wait for me, i'll take a beer ,too!!! Cheerios!!
Nowaaa
Date: Mon, Nov 30, 1998 10:50 EST
Message-id: <19981130105034...@ng-ch1.aol.com>
wrote:
<<<For at some times we treat the good thing as bad and, conversely, the bad
things as good.>>>
agree and twimc!!!
Of Men and Mice and On Truth and Lie (N)
---------------------------------------------------------
The intellect, as a means for the preservation of the individual, unfolds its
chief powers in simulation, for this is the means by which the weaker , less
robust individuals preserve themselves. In man this art of simulation
reaches its peak: from here deception, flattery, lying and cheating, talking
behind the back, posing, being masked, acting a role before others and before
oneself...individuals are deeply immersed in illusions and dream images; their
feeling nowhere leads into truth but content themselves playing games on the
backs of things.
But because man out of need and boredom, wants to exist socially, he requires
a peace pact . This peace pact brings with it something that could be called
this enigmatic urge for truth: "truth" a valid and obligatory designation of
things.
What is truth? A sum of human relations which
after long use seem firm ,canonical and obligatory to a people: truths are
illusions.
We still don't know where the urge for the truth comes from; as yet we have
heard only of the obligation imposed by the society that it should exist.
The Liar uses the valid designations , the words, to make the unreal appear as
real; he abuses the fixed conventions by arbitrary changes. When he does this
in a self-serving way damaging to others, then society will no longer trust
him but exclude him. What individuals hate at this stage is not the deception
but the consequences of certain kinds of deceptions.; men do not flee from
being deceived as much as from being damaged by deception.
In a similary limited way man wants the truth: he desires the agreeable
life-preserving consequences of truth, but he is indifferent to pure knowledge
, which has no consequences; he is even hostile to possibly damaging and
destructive truth.
But what about these conventions imposed by the society? Are they really the
products of knowledge, of the sense of truth? Is language the adequate
expression of all realities?
To be truthful : the obligation to lie according to a fixed , to lie herd-like
in a style obligatory for all......
Our herd is SCR!!!! Who knows the truth?
who will throw the stone?
Stephen Dancs,Toronto Canada
In a previous article, futa...@aol.com (Futatorul) says:
>daniils wrote:
>>
>>Aren't we a bit presumptuous to quote such >ilustrious a source?
>
>admit, the "match" was too good to pass up, wasn't it?
Then why aren't you dead yet? ;-)
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Stephen Dancs,Toronto Canada
>live in that way.....
>
>Pentru toti baietii plini de cultura....with my compliments
http://socrates.clarke.edu/aplg0190.htm
And because an unexamined life is unworthy of living, here are 4 questions
for you. What does erotic mean to you? What was your first erotic
experience? What was your strongest erotic experience? What's your
favorite erotic phantasy? ;-)
(NOTE: Answers to this posting will be monitored mainly on thea
"soc.culture.romanian" newsgroup.)
(Diogenes.) ;-)
Nowaaa
wrote > futa...@aol.com:
>Asa ca eu ma duc sa-mi caut niste "real pleasures" ca pe scr nu prea gasesc
>decit onanie mintala....Cheerio!!!!
what a classic!!!! it beats any P/S/N/B ...it takes me from the illusions to
the reality!!!!
domni, lololol
Daniil S
>(Diogenes.) ;-)
' Thing of it is: HAVE you foud him (ca sufla vintul a pustie in ultima vreme)?
Daniil S
invatat.
Stephen Dancs,Toronto Canada
In a previous article, now...@aol.com (Nowaaa) says:
>dan...@aol.com (Daniil S)
>>
>>This ecosystem, just like the "natural" world, needs its
>>diversity if it's not to slide into entropy.
>
>but too much entropy from the same source soon becomes chaos.
The author's entropy refered to the "thermal death" of a system, that with
the passing of time, will become a uniformly "warm" and boring "soup"
incapable of any more action, like a huge ocean incapable of boiling an
"egg", something, that the smallest "pot" in my "kitchen" can do. You
understood of it exactly as much as you understood of Y2K, NO and other
"trivial" matters. And besides, latest non-liniar physics, shows that
there's "order" in chaos... ;-)
>>How do you feel about them apples?
>
>les pommes: il suffit q'une est pourrie....pour gaspiller le panier!!!
Just wonder which one is the "pourrie" one, 'caz since Einstein, the thing
is relative you know... ;-)
> another citizen of A(ol),
> friend of Socrates
Yeah, right... I'm sure he wouldn't have accepted to circumcise all those
newborns just for the sake of making a bloody living and get some cheap
orgasmic thrills that he missed somewhere else by doing it... ;-)
(NOTE: Answers to this posting will be monitored mainly on the
"soc.culture.romanian" newsgroup.)
Nowaaa
>Date: Mon, Nov 30, 1998 14:06 EST
>Message-id: <73uqbt$juo$1...@learnet.freenet.hut.fi>
>
>
>The author's entropy refered to the "thermal death" of a system, that with
>the passing of time, will become a uniformly "warm" and boring "soup"
>incapable of any more action, like a huge ocean incapable of boiling an
>"egg", something, that the smallest
So what did you understand from my message? Vezi ca-ti cade dictionarul de
pe claviatura!!!
No BRO you don't know shit what's going beyond the postings on SCR but you feel
compelled to act/ to post and show what.....BLANK,BLANK,BLANK you understand!!!
The author himself threw the idea TWIMC which for once was IL F to bring(help
bring back Clara...one of them....hint/hint dummy!)
'cause entropy to him meant more(numbers/personalities) on scr not your stupid
soup. NOW eat your soup maybe by then your moronic brains will work better.
Again you stick yr nose in someone's dirty laundry.....talk about "trivial"
matters!!!
>And besides, latest non-liniar physics, shows that >there's "order" in
chaos... ;-
chaos....PROPS only you MORON!!!
>Just wonder which one is the "pourrie" one, 'caz since Einstein, the thing >is
relative you know... ;-)
>
>
Dig more in the dirty laundry an find IT!!!
A dracului aia ULUITA ca bine mai zicea ea!!!!!
The Foreigner
|Again you stick yr nose in someone's dirty laundry.....
Perhaps, if you kept your own dirty laundry in the bedroom where it belonged
instead of shoving your emotional immaturities up the wires to SCR, nobody's
nose would now be out of joint.
Nowaaa
>Date: Mon, Nov 30, 1998 20:12 EST
>Message-id:
>Perhaps, if you kept your own dirty laundry in the bedroom where it belonged
>instead of shoving your emotional immaturities up the wires to SCR,
hey wally as an opinion that's so true!!
but you see laundry was brought out by someone else part is mine part is
imaginary lie over lie over lie ...and i thought that i deal with a gentleman.
how would you have known that talking for 4 months almost every day (and
sometime for hours) with someone and share so many thought/ideas you could be
in this situation.
immaturities ??? just nice emotions for someone that i liked a lot.
is his behavior forgiveable in view of the special circumstances??? still
it's so ugly and nasty!!!!! but that's life sometime, be thatit is only
virtual life!!! it's worth writing a book!!!!
????????????????????????????????????
Nowaaa
PLEASE LET'S STOP ALL THIS CRAP!!!!!
IT IS TOO UGLY AND DEMEANING FOR ALL OF US!!!!
IF YOU STOP I'LL STOP!!!!!!
Pablito45
>Date: 11/30/98 6:15 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <19981130211549...@ng12.aol.com>
>still
>it's so ugly and nasty!!!!! but that's life sometime, be thatit is only
>virtual life!!! it's worth writing a book!!!!
Ar fii o ideie exceptionala sa ascrii o carte. In cazul acesta vei folosii
timpul in ceva folositor decat ce faci acuma...scrii tot felul de prostii si te
tot injosesti atata. Daca ai nevoie de ajutor sunt sigur ca Clara ar putea
sa'ti dea niste indrumarii.
Dupa cum Clara si alti (eu , Fanica , etc.) ti'am tot spus ca ea NU este
Adriana .
Clara este Clara Nicollet, de profesie scriitoare si domiciliata in Paris. Ar
fii cazul ca sa'i instriesti pe Il Futatore sau pe Coana Doftoritza Anghel ca
sa nu se mai lege de ea pe acest board. Domnitzo asa cum tu ai tot gonit'o de
pe acest boar ar fii cazul ca sa'i ceri scuze si s'o rogi sa reapara pe acest
board.
Domnitzo, Clara a fost o doamna foarte amabila si mi'a trimis una din cartiile
ei, cu un autograf. Cartea se numeste "Arta alegerii" si a fost publicata de
"Editura Victor"in 1997, Bucuresti.
Domnitzo decat sa acuzii si sa tot insulti lumea pe acest board de ce nu
incerti sa faci rost de cartea aceasta din Bucuresti sa te convingii pentru
totdeauna cine este CLARA.
Stephen Dancs,Toronto Canada
DISTOYER
>Date: 11/30/98 6:15 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <19981130211549...@ng12.aol.com>
> still
>it's so ugly and nasty!!!!! but that's life sometime, be thatit is only
>virtual life!!! it's worth writing a book!!!!
Domnitzo ar fii o ideie excelenta. Daca cumva vei avea nevoie de vre'un ajutor
poti sa aplelezi la Clara.
Clara, dupa cum ti'a spus ea si multi altii (eu, Fanica etc.)este intradevar
Clara Nicollet, este de profesie scriitoare si domicileaza in Paris.
Clara a fost deosebit de draguta si de amabila si mi'a expediat o carte cu un
autograf. Am primit cartea ieri si deja am inceput s'o citesc. Numele romanului
este "Arta Alegerii" si a fost publicata de catre "Editura Victor" anul trecut.
Domnitzo daca doresti sa te convingii de adevar poti sa incerci sa'i citesti
cartea. Sunt sigur ca daca o rogi frumos (dupa ce ai gonit'o fara nici un
motiv) si'ti ceri iertare, ea se va reintoarce pe SCR
Nowaaa
>Date: Tue, Dec 1, 1998 18:43 EST
>Message-id: <19981201184356.2108
Dear Mr. Mike Negosian,
enjoy the book you received and yes do thank the author for the effort made to
send that book to you.
I do not share your opinion regarding the few "thin" issues you brought up.
Pls read the posting by "athanor" and try to understand that many of the
personages, that some wrongly thought to be real people, are not in the
"theatre" anymore. Their Creator decided to let them rest for a while.
Domnitza, apparently, was one of those characters.
be well
Archivist4
>Message-id: <19981201113450...@ng-ch1.aol.com>
Domnitzo sorry dar mesajul acesta a fost scris acum 2 zile. Nu inteleg de ce a
durat asa de mult. poate ca "pretenul"nostru a inceput sa faca cenzura , la fel
cum tot facea anul trecut ,pe vremea asta, pe AOL cand toti ne'am retras din
cauza cenzurii