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Vincent

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Mar 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/2/98
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Last month I had to stay for a week in Romania. Most of the people working in
offices, restasurants etc. were very rude and inpolite. If you are trying to
get more investments and tourists, then why don't you be normal against western
people, people who are investing in your country?

Vincent ;((((


Matei Riain

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Vincent <spoor...@net.nl> wrote in article
<N.030298....@mt0203.wxs.nl>...

Waaahhhhh! Boo hoo hoo. Sniffle sniffle... Sob sob

DRJRW46

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Mar 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/2/98
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Dear Vincent,
I'm from Germany and had some very positive contacts with people in Romania. I
wonder how that you understood the inpolite people without understanding the
romanian language.
By the way I hope that you realized that in Europe the currencies
are (surprising) different that the dollar?
If you want to invest money in Romania, if you have some,
would be better to spend your time on business research than to
to talk people having a culture which is definetily older than the
US culture.
Assuming that you made some progress regarding the inpolite language I have to
tell you : STAI ACASA, CA ACOLO este LOCUL TAU!
Beste wishes
Josef Weingaertner

cristian

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Mar 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/2/98
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Vincent wrote:

> Last month I had to stay for a week in Romania. Most of the people working in
> offices, restasurants etc. were very rude and inpolite. If you are trying to
> get more investments and tourists, then why don't you be normal against western
> people, people who are investing in your country?
> Vincent ;((((

Hehehe Vincent me boy, I am afraid that rudness is a nondiscriminatory occurence
in Romania. Trust me on this, they are just as rude or more, with the Romanian
public. The best recommendation, make a big scene, holer, curse, and scream
blody murder ! Don't be shy to dump dishes & contents on the waiters head ;=)

m. cristian


Cristian Croitoru

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Mar 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/3/98
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Vincent wrote in message ...


>Last month I had to stay for a week in Romania. Most of the people working
in
>offices, restasurants etc. were very rude and inpolite.

That is the result of the communist era, the result of the upside down scale
of values imposed by the bloody communist rulers..
That's probably the most damaging scare (wound?)..

Cristian Croitoru

Wally Keeler

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Wally Keeler

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DRJRW46 (drj...@aol.com) writes:
> If you want to invest money in Romania, if you have some,
> would be better to spend your time on business research than to
> to talk people having a culture which is definetily older than the
> US culture.

It may be older, but certainly not wiser. For Chryst sake, Canada has 128
years of UNINTERRUPTED democracy. Now THAT's culture. Romania has got fuck
all to teach the world about that element of culture, so sit down and shut up.

Mike Popovici

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Mar 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/3/98
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Wally

Having the uninterrupted 128 years of democracy does not guarantee the
acquiring any valuable culture. In fact if you look at the greatest cultures
of the world e.g. China, Europe, their history is dominated mostly by
periods of total lack of democracy.

Your comment comes to confirm that the New World countries are trying to
replace the void in their cultural heritage by the loudly trumpeted
democracy where everybody can be a total moron and proud of it.

Now just to give you a well known example, France, a capitalist country of
both great culture and democracy is known to be very rude to their tourists.
How can you explain that Wally ?

Regards

Mike Popovici

Bogdan-Constantin CIURDEA

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Mar 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/3/98
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>
> Hehehe Vincent me boy, I am afraid that rudness is a nondiscriminatory occurence
> in Romania. Trust me on this, they are just as rude or more, with the Romanian
> public. The best recommendation, make a big scene, holer, curse, and scream
> blody murder ! Don't be shy to dump dishes & contents on the waiters head ;=)
>
> m. cristian
>
>
>

Very funny! You are beeing rude right now.


D Blackstone

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Mar 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/3/98
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In the 5 or 6 years that I have been going to Romania I have rarely
encounted any rudeness, and certainly a lot less than I have in my native
Britain, and the other European countries I have travelled to.
I expect the reason lies in your attitude and not with the
Romanians you encountered.

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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Vincent wrote:

> Last month I had to stay for a week in Romania. Most of the people working in

Farafastik

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Mar 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/3/98
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>D Blackstone :

" I expect the reason lies in YOUR ( emphasys mine)
and not with the Romanians you encountered..."

And so it is !
Mr Blackstone, go to the head of the class !
My hat off to you , sir. That's exactly where
the rub is. These individuals go to Romania
or any former communist country for that matter,
with an attitude of the XVII century explorers
visiting darkest Africa.
What they don't know is that many of the people
working in hotels and restaurants are either HS
or College grads who accept menial iobs driven
by the dire economical problems in post-commu-
nist Romania.
Treat them as decent human beings and you will
see the difference ! Treat them like half- savages
and they will return the compliment.With interest !
As long as you are civil to them, they'll treat you in
a very civilized manner.

Andrei

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>Last month I had to stay for a week in Romania. Most of the people working
in

>offices, restasurants etc. were very rude and inpolite. If you are trying
to
>get more investments and tourists, then why don't you be normal against
western
>people, people who are investing in your country?


Well,.... you are right.
I don´t know why sometimes it is so, but I can tell you it is like that,
and there is a difference between you as foreigner and the local people:
They treat you better !!
Why ? : They think you have more money.

You just have to read the answer posted bei : DRJRW46 and I think you will
find some answers.
It is a way of showing how smart romanians are : Romanian culture older than
US culture; in europe more currencies, etc. That doesn´t have anything to
do with your question, but Mr. Weingaertner demonstrates that he can be
inpolite, especially by screaming : " STAY HOME, BECAUSE THERE is YOUR PLACE
! " (transl.) Capital letters = to scream.

You don´t start yelling: look at them they´re ruder than us.
If somebody is rude to you don´t go down to his level - Ignore it !

I mean, for those of you who understand romanian, just read some of the
messages posted before with all the rude things, and bad words, and with
everybody tring to show how smart he or she is and how stupid the others.
Exemples: "Prostii", "Re: lume de incredere" etc.

If in an international newsgroup like that, that everybody can read, people
use such words and expressions offending others, you don´t have to worry
about waiters in Romania being rude.

Just remember: this newsgroup in entitled: soc.culture.romanian. Some of the
postings are good and if something doesn´t interest sombody or that person
has a different oppinion - just write your opinion. That doesn´t mean you
have to offend persons that don´t share your opinion !
But, I guess a Newsgroup is more or less anonymous, so everybody can write
anything.

Think - this is one of the very few romanian Newsgroups, so if somebody
searches for information on Romania, he (she) will read all this.

I refuse to think that all romanians are like that, I know a lot that aren´t
!! - the ones who are just scream louder and if you don´t listen to them
they offend you ! ;-))

--
Andrei

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Andrei

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Mar 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/3/98
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>>Vincent wrote in message ...

>>>Last month I had to stay for a week in Romania. Most of the people
working
>>in
>>>offices, restasurants etc. were very rude and inpolite.

>>That is the result of the communist era,
>

>Yeah!!!1 That's the best answer. It is the very best because now it is
>clear that these unfriendly people are innocent. Not they, the
>communists, are unfriendly... Fine. I'm sure in very short time all
>will be better if all think so.


The people are unfriedly not dirrectly because of the comunists. I don´t
think the comunists
told anybody : be rude, offend others, be inpolite.
The comunism just gave the romanian citizens a feeling of superiority :
romanians are the best, know everything, old culture etc. based on the
complete block of all news. After the very fast freedom for Romania some
realized, that that isn´t so. That superiority turned in inferiority for
some, soooo they try to gain back the superior feeling. The most direct way
of doing that is telling somebody he is stupid or being rude and inpolite :
what does He, want from me ! I am disturbed by somebody which I think is
superior so let me show him he isn´t.

Well, this is just an idea I don´t claim it is the truth, maybe one of many
possibilities.

The truth is : "Not all romanians are rude, just some of them!"
(if I apply my theory to this sentence, the ruder they are, the inferior
they feel)

Creative Intelligence Agency

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Mar 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/4/98
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Bogdan-Constantin CIURDEA <ciu...@dragon.uaic.ro> wrote in article

|>Hehehe Vincent me boy, I am afraid that rudness is a nondiscriminatory
occurence
|>in Romania. Trust me on this, they are just as rude or more, with the
Romanian
|>public. The best recommendation, make a big scene, holer, curse, and
scream

|>blody murder! Don't be shy to dump dishes & contents on the waiters head


;=)
|> m. cristian
|>
| Very funny! You are beeing rude right now.

He's rude. He's sometimes funny. But he's right.

Russell G.

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Mar 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/4/98
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Vincent, stay in Switzerland for a week and then tell me you still feel the
same way about Romania...

>western people, people who are investing in your country?

Funny... I'm sure most European nations DID NOTand WOULD NOT mind if you
kept your investments out of Romania and as close as possible to your side
of the Atlantic (after all, NAFTA'lina is supposed to cure all ailments).


Vincent wrote in message ...
>Last month I had to stay for a week in Romania. Most of the people working
in

>offices, restasurants etc. were very rude and inpolite. If you are trying
to
>get more investments and tourists, then why don't you be normal against
western
>people, people who are investing in your country?
>

>Vincent ;((((
>

Kyko

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Mar 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/4/98
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Well said brother!!
Perhaps they should make an effort to understand our culture, before they
jump on the train and expect to be conquerors.

B Cool1980

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Mar 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/4/98
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I don't know beats me


AK&G

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Mar 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/4/98
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Wally Keeler wrote:

> It may be older, but certainly not wiser.

Personnal opinion. Keep it, it's all yours, buddy.

> For Chryst sake (you meant Christ, of course), Canada has 128
> years of UNINTERRUPTED democracy.

Really? I'm fuckin' impressed. It started with the strangleing of the
Iroquois Ghief "by Maisonneuve HIMSELF", and continued into the modern
era with the indians forced to return in States to be massacrated by the
yank's, "The Duplessis Orphans", medical experiments (lethal or
crippleing) on large masses of population without their previous
approuval, and continued with the involvement of Canada in "Microwave
Harassment & Mind Control Experimentation".
True, strong and solid_build democracy, indeed..
For "the people". Well, at least a small part of it.

> Now THAT's culture.

Realy, stupid? Up yours!

> Romania has got fuck all to teach the world about that element of culture,
> so sit down and shut up.

If i'd be you I would hide in a very remote place, and never leave
again.Why should someone shut up, when ordered by the Jandar in charge
(in your dreams, jerk!)? Don't you heard? C'est interdit d'interdire,
ostie! Toi, va chier ailleurs pour lecher le cul des Super-Cultures qui
donnent des lessons "ex cathedra". Je t'en merde.

The Guardian

Alexandru-Florian Dumitrescu

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Mar 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/4/98
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My dear Vincent,
I spent one year in the United States, and I assure you I met a lot of
people rude and inpolite, but I also met nice people. I think that if you
stay for one month in Romania, you can meet nice people too.
Vincent ha scritto nel messaggio ...

Catalin A Popa

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Mar 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/4/98
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Wally, "Chryst" is spelled 'Christ.' The correct usage of that in a
sentence would be "Christ's sake." The name of Christ is beyond your
miserable life, so use it appropriately!

And, by the way, most people already sit down and shut up anyway....think
about it...this is a computer news channel... you sit down, type, and shut
up....there is no need to stand up and shout, right? That is a sign of
serious mental problems.....standing up, shouting, and typing on the SCR.

Catalin.


Wally Keeler wrote in message <6dfuo3$6...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...


>
>DRJRW46 (drj...@aol.com) writes:
>> If you want to invest money in Romania, if you have some,
>> would be better to spend your time on business research than to
>> to talk people having a culture which is definetily older than the
>> US culture.
>

>It may be older, but certainly not wiser. For Chryst sake, Canada has 128
>years of UNINTERRUPTED democracy. Now THAT's culture. Romania has got fuck

Rick Rosbag

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Mar 5, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/5/98
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Huh ?

I do not understand which country you have visited ......

I was in Romania for over 4 months, and I was surprised about the
friendly way many people behave in Romania. I also met rude people, but
are there places where you will not find rude people ?

Besides that, you visited a foreign country so you should be the one to
adjust.... There are differences between Romania and the West, this is
a fact.

I'm also happy that in Europe (general) we do not have this creepy way
of behaviour US citizens have when you enter a shop or public place.
Always this irritating smile on their faces ! You can't convince me
that anyone working at MC Donalds is the happiest person on the planet
Earth that day ! The job sucks ! So why this irritating smile on your
face ? Just do the job but don't pretend !

It's the sharade the U.S. always wears around itselve..... (Look how
people react on the news that their president has sex too !!!!!).

Anyway, I totally disagree......, and I didn't even react on the stupid
quote: " people who are investing in your country ?" . Perhaps your
arrogance was the reason why people were not nice to you.

By the way: I'm Dutch: the most friendly one in the country.

Rick :)--]---[

Rommy W

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Mar 5, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/5/98
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Dear Mr. Popa,
I appreciate that you have a lot of informations about the
canadian democracy (>128

>>years of UNINTERRUPTED democracy. Now THAT's culture. Romania has got fuck
>>all to teach the world about that element of culture, so sit down and shut
>up.) and generally said you demonstrate also a piece of culture
by your letter. I would recommend you to go to the canadian
school in order to understand the difference betwen CULTURE
and DEMOCRACY. I'm really sorry that I have to give instructions to a native
canadian called POPA.
Assuming that you will visit Romania sometime in the next future
I think that you earned that the people should be rude with
pseudo romanian canadian. Or maybe you are born closed to
Budapest? Who knows but you are not really very interesting!

Rommy W

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wo...@gmx.de (Werner Hintze) wrote:>That is the result of the communist era,

Yeah!!!1 That's the best answer. It is the very best because now it is
clear that these unfriendly people are innocent. Not they, the
communists, are unfriendly... Fine. I'm sure in very short time all
will be better if all think so. >

Dear Werner!
I like the way how you judge the situation but, just in this case,
it seems that you had problems to understand the discussed subject. My
recommendation: just start to think about
again....

Rommy W

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Mar 5, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/5/98
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I accept that you are tricky :
- you are talking about the US Code, title 47.. but you are leaving in Germany
! Ha, Ha Ha, Grues Gott! Hast Dich selbst verarscht!
-I have to remeber you that Romania has a much longer history
that the comunist era.
- if you have any feeling of inferiority better you dont send any mails
THINK ABOUT (and write after..)

leh...@ix.netcom.com

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Mar 5, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/5/98
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That was someone else's message; Catalin was merely responding to it.
Read the post *carefully* before you decide to give a lecture!

Zlata

Ovidiu Dumitrescu

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Mar 5, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/5/98
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Must have something to do with you. If in Romania you were so rude as
you proved to be by posting this garbage on scr, I have no problem
explaining the negative atitude you faced there.

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mitch

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Mar 6, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/6/98
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Strange what people think about us americans smiling. Did you ever think
maybe its because we are happy? Those people who work at McDonalds are
making more money and have more freedom than a rocket scientist in Romania
. My girlfriend is from Moldova
and when she is in America she always smiles, yet when I am in Moldova I do
not smile,
hmmmm figure that one out.
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Arnaud

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Aan 6-03-98 18:5116:49:30, in bericht <01bd4928$4f949920$6537a8c0@nicolaec>,
"Matei Riain" <ma...@erols.com> schreef:


>
> Werner Hintze <wer...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote in article
> <34ffefa...@news.snafu.de>...
> > "Matei Riain" <ma...@erols.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Maybe the guy who got treated badly is just too sensitive, or even a
> wimp.
> >
> > May be. I don't know him. Do you?
> >
> Bai analfabetule! Am zis ca POATE tipul e prea sensibil... Bineinteles ca
> nu-l cunosc.
>
Can you please translate this?

Greetings
Arnaud


JACK GOLD

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Daca "guest-ul" e tot asa de bou ca si autorul mesajului, atunci ede
inteles!
Jack
>.
>.


Russell G.

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mitch wrote in message <34FF9542...@concentric.net>...


>Strange what people think about us americans smiling. Did you ever think
>maybe its because we are happy? Those people who work at McDonalds >are
making more money and have more freedom than a rocket scientist in >Romania

Mitch, I don't think you qualify as an expert in the art of smile
interpretation to be speaking for "us americans". I could be mistaken...
maybe you do have years of research to prove me wrong... it just may be that
you are one of those "happy" McDonalds employees!

As for the rocket scientists... last I've heard, they were all employed by
NASA, Aerojet, and Lockheed Martin since most of the natives were too damn
happy working for McDonalds & BK.


> My girlfriend is from Moldova
>and when she is in America she always smiles, yet when I am in Moldova I
>do not smile, hmmmm figure that one out.


Of course she smiles Mitch... you're paying the damn bill. If you would've
paid close attention, you would've noticed that she smiles twice as much
when you are in Moldova!

Andrei

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Rommy W schrieb in Nachricht
<19980305213...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...


>I accept that you are tricky :
>- you are talking about the US Code, title 47.. but you are leaving in
Germany
>! Ha, Ha Ha, Grues Gott! Hast Dich selbst verarscht!


Not really ?
Than how come that I get only SPAM mail from USA ??


>-I have to remeber you that Romania has a much longer history
>that the comunist era.

true and ?

>- if you have any feeling of inferiority better you dont send any mails
>THINK ABOUT (and write after..)

It was just a theory - and a test ;-)

Andrei

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Wally Keeler

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Rommy W (rom...@aol.com) writes:
> Dear Mr. Popa,
> I appreciate that you have a lot of informations about the
> canadian democracy

Hey dickhead, I posted it, not Popasickle.

>>>(>128
>>>years of UNINTERRUPTED democracy. Now THAT's culture. Romania has got fuck
>>>all to teach the world about that element of culture, so sit down and shut
>>up.)

> and generally said you demonstrate also a piece of culture
> by your letter. I would recommend you to go to the canadian
> school in order to understand the difference betwen CULTURE
> and DEMOCRACY.

CULTURE & DEMOCRACY are not mutually exclusive. There is a difference in a
culture that has grown for generations under an evolving democracy, and a
culture that has been stifled for generations under dictatorshit.
Democracy has a way of making culture florish, whereas dictatorshit tends
to stifle culture. Democracy or dictatorshit are highly influential to
culture, and are intrinsically involved in cultural manifestations. As I
said, Canada has nothing to learn from Romania about democracy.

> I'm really sorry that I have to give instructions to a native
> canadian called POPA.

Given that I am not POPA, I would say that YOU are in sorry need of education.

> Assuming that you will visit Romania sometime in the next future
> I think that you earned that the people should be rude with
> pseudo romanian canadian.

I am an ethnic Canadian. I have enjoyed the culture of uninterrupted
democracy for my entire life, as my father enjoyed it, as his father
enjoyed it, and his father before him, and his father before him, and so on.

> Or maybe you are born closed to
> Budapest? Who knows but you are not really very interesting!

I am happy that I was born outside of Europe, that birthplace of two world
wars that were the most lethal cultural manifstations in the history of
the world. THAT is European culture, the culture of facism, nazism,
communism, monarchy, dictatorshit, etc. Some fucken culture. Big deal that
your culture has been around for centuries; given that WW1 & WW2 occurred
is evidence that Europeans learned squat from all that culture. Impressive.


Wally Keeler

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Rommy W (rom...@aol.com) writes:
> I accept that you are tricky :
> - you are talking about the US Code, title 47.. but you are leaving in Germany
> ! Ha, Ha Ha, Grues Gott! Hast Dich selbst verarscht!

> -I have to remeber you that Romania has a much longer history
> that the comunist era.

And with all that long history, Romanians never learned to avoid the
asshole-ism of dictatorshit. Some progression.

Wally Keeler

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"Matei Riain" (ma...@erols.com) writes:
> Mike Popovici <mpop...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in article
>> Wally
>> Having the uninterrupted 128 years of democracy does not guarantee the
>> acquiring any valuable culture. In fact if you look at the greatest
>> cultures
>> of the world e.g. China, Europe, their history is dominated mostly by
>> periods of total lack of democracy.

And WHAT is it that makes these the GREATEST cultures in the world.
Europe's culture progressed so well that it bequeathed unto the world
nazism, facism, communism, monarchism, dictatorshit, ethnic cleansing,
holocaust, a constant soaking of European soil with blood, blood and more
blood. And for this, the world gets some symphonies, paintings, and poems
by a handful of creative souls who manifested in spite of the European
cretins that contributed nothing to their creativity.

>> Your comment comes to confirm that the New World countries are trying to
>> replace the void in their cultural heritage by the loudly trumpeted
>> democracy where everybody can be a total moron and proud of it.

They are free to do that. They are free to do otherwise also. There is no
VOID in Canada's cultural heritage. After a century of European idiocy
(WW1 & WW2) European cultural has become, after centuries, old and
sclerotic, whereas, Canada is as fresh as a teenager. There is not the
burden of cultural heritage that a Canadian has to carry, and this makes
for a greater freedom of cultural movement. It is NEW & FRESH, whereas,
European culture has become old and stale -- evidence that many creative
Europeans feel they must come to the New World for the room to create
without the stifling straightjacket of heritage.

>> Now just to give you a well known example, France, a capitalist country
>> both great culture and democracy is known to be very rude to their
>> tourists.
>> How can you explain that Wally ?

Nope. Can you?

> Bravo - excellent response.

Shabby actually. But coming from someone who aspires to nothing more than
to be someone else's cheerleader because they having nothing of their own
to contribute, what else could be expected?


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LunitikMZK

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Thatz cuz guests act like they all that when they go in romania. They flip
their stacks, they show their dog gold chains..No wonder tha poor romanian
knocks them over tha head and takes all u got.

trust me......i have a PHD in that

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Dan Serban

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Mar 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/8/98
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Let's face it, folks:

We _are_ a balcanic nation.
Austrians are balcanic too. They have never had dictatorial communism,
and they are the most obnoxious Western people I've ever known.
Don't give me that crap like Romanians before 1945 were so much better
than us nowadays.
Mentality patterns that last for centuries now will not disappear over
night.

That's my opinion and I stand behind it.

Dan


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Preda Mihailescu

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Why are eastern Germans so very different from Western Germans, Dan ?

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Creative Intelligence Agency

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Matei Riain <ma...@erols.com> wrote in article
|Wally Keeler <cd...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in article

|>They are free to do that. They are free to do otherwise also. There is no
|>VOID in Canada's cultural heritage. After a century of European idiocy
|>(WW1 & WW2) European cultural has become, after centuries, old and
|>sclerotic, whereas, Canada is as fresh as a teenager. There is not the
|>burden of cultural heritage that a Canadian has to carry, and this makes
|>for a greater freedom of cultural movement. It is NEW & FRESH, whereas,
|>European culture has become old and stale -- evidence that many creative
|>Europeans feel they must come to the New World for the room to create
|>without the stifling straightjacket of heritage.
|
|Please Cpt. Canuck, what are some of Canada's major cultural contributions
|to the world? (Not counting Alannis Morrisette, the MacKenzie bros., Rush,
|etc.)
^^^^^\
I guess this excludes everything.

What are USA's major cultural contributions to the world? (not counting
Jimmy Stewart, the Three Stooges, The Beach Boys, etc.)

|As an American I am aware of the fact that we often eclipse our
|northern neighbor. Not that the rest of the world is missing out, but I
|would just like to learn about (aboot) some of the products of this
|vaunted NEW and FRESH cultural movement. Eh?

Use your web browser, and look for yourself.

Rommy W

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>Subject: Re: DEMOCRACY <> CULTURE

>From: "Creative Intelligence Agency" <poet...@idirect.com>
>Date: Sun, 08 March 1998 11:56 AM EST

>From: "Creative Intelligence Agency" <poet...@idirect.com>
>Date: Sun, 08 March 1998 11:56 AM EST

I think you are right talking about your northern neighbor.
The people from Canada writing such a letter demonstrate just their complex of
inferiority vs. USA or Europe.
On the other hand I have to remember that this user group
should maintain the romanian language even the topics are so interesting. Maybe
that's a new challenge for pseudo-canadians!

tmc Vasile Bouleanu

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In article <19980308184...@ladder02.news.aol.com> Rommy W,
rom...@aol.com writes:
>


Nu stiati ca Wali vorbeste si scrie prefect romaneste ? !

Vasile Bouleanu .

Matei Riain

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>
> Citeste mesajele inca o data si vei vedea.

Mi se pare ca nu-mi intelege romaneste draga. Din nefericire nu stiu
germana, si nu cred ca stii rusa - deci o sa switch to English... What the
hell are you trying to say?
> --


michae...@virgin.net

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Mitch,
Not only you're not a smiler, but you're rude unnecessarily. If you don't like
Moldova stay home in your native Iowa, somebody needs to work those fields
there. You might as well ask the local preacher what's the difference between a
natural smile and a fake one. Good luck on your investigations...and farming!

Mike
PS: The world is more and more convinced that people are applying for jobs with
McDonald' s just to have the upper hand on Romanian rocket scientist !

££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

mitch wrote:

> Strange what people think about us americans smiling. Did you ever think
> maybe its because we are happy? Those people who work at McDonalds are
> making more money and have more freedom than a rocket scientist in Romania

> . My girlfriend is from Moldova

Ciuck

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Matei Riain wrote in message <01bd4aad$c4da9960$58c4accf@nicolaec>...
>
>
>Dan Serban <dse...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
><01bd4a43$5af65800$ba11...@pbs001.usa.capgemini.com>...


>> Let's face it, folks:
>>
>> We _are_ a balcanic nation.
>> Austrians are balcanic too.
>

>I always thought that Austria was part of central europe...
>>
>>
Yes, moron, and so is Romania.

ahs

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Dan Serban wrote:

>Austrians are balcanic too.

That gives us a measure of D Serban

>and they are the most obnoxious Western people I've ever known.

Everything is relative. To ME they are the most simpatico Western

people I've ever known.

But I was speaking their language and I wasn't an obnoxious
little snot.

>Don't give me that crap like Romanians before 1945 were so much better
>than us nowadays.

They were, they were...

Matei Riain

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Oops! Am uitat sa scriu "intelegi"... Iarta-ma! Vroiam sa spun ca tu
nu-mi intelegi romaneste
>

Dan Serban

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ahs <a...@jps.net> wrote in article <350339B1...@jps.net>...

> But I was speaking their language and I wasn't an obnoxious
> little snot.
>

Nu stiu ce inseamna 'snot', dar ce vroiam sa zic este
ca si eu vorbesc germana... daca n-as fi vorbit-o,
respectiv daca n-as fi patruns putin in tipul de mentalitate
pe care il au austriecii, nu m-as fi avintat la a-mi exprima
dezgustul pe care mi-l provoaca.

Nu sunt un expert in etnologie, dar daca ii intrebi pe austriecii
insisi, 7 din 10 iti vor raspunde ca se considera balcanici.

Poti sa ma ataci la persoana, dar sa nu te astepti sa raspund
cu aceeasi moneda.

Dan


Matei Riain

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Bai, nenorocitule - the guy said Austria was a balcanic country... Since
when? And I was taught that Romania is part of Eastern Europe.


NArden6114

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> Despre ce vorbesti? Or are you
>trying to be sarcastic?

Let's stop this crazy thread!
Nicholas Valard

Wally Keeler

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"Matei Riain" (ma...@erols.com) writes:
>> Shabby actually. But coming from someone who aspires to nothing more than
>> to be someone else's cheerleader because they having nothing of their own
>> to contribute, what else could be expected?
>

> Cheeleader, huh? Then "rah rah rah, sis boom bah, go team go". I'd rather
> lead cheer for someone who can actually see through the west's "propaganda"
> then for some Canadian / bosgur fag that thinks he's the clever one.

Canadian for sure, but bosgur? Nope. That's your neighbourhood.


Wally Keeler

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"Matei Riain" (ma...@erols.com) writes:
> Please Cpt. Canuck, what are some of Canada's major cultural contributions
> to the world? (Not counting Alannis Morrisette, the MacKenzie bros., Rush,

> etc.) As an American I am aware of the fact that we often eclipse our


> northern neighbor. Not that the rest of the world is missing out, but I
> would just like to learn about (aboot) some of the products of this vaunted
> NEW and FRESH cultural movement. Eh?

The freshest I suppose would be the director of the world smash hit: The
Titanic.


Wally Keeler

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Rommy W (rom...@aol.com) writes:
> I think you are right talking about your northern neighbor.

Our northern neighbour is Russia.

> The people from Canada writing such a letter demonstrate just their complex of
> inferiority vs. USA or Europe.

So you claim. Canada has never been bombed, occupied, invaded (except for
a failed attempt by the USAmericans in 1812), etc. Whatever blood is on
the hands of Canadians, is a fraction of the blood on the hands of
USAmericans and Europeans. The culture of blood looks good on you.

> On the other hand I have to remember that this user group
> should maintain the romanian language even the topics are so interesting. Maybe
> that's a new challenge for pseudo-canadians!

It may be a challenge for Pseudo-anybodies, however, there ain't no pseudo
about me -- I'm an ethnic Canadian. If you don't like that -- good. We
have yet to indulge in the culture of dictatorshit. It's your culture, so
wallow in it.

Wally Keeler

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"Matei Riain" (ma...@erols.com) writes:
> Bai, nenorocitule - the guy said Austria was a balcanic country... Since
> when? And I was taught that Romania is part of Eastern Europe.

But Eastern Europe doesn't want any part of Romania. It's not even fit for
NATO.


Balantza

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In article <6dvr5v$e...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, cd...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
(Wally Keeler) writes:

> Canada has never been bombed, occupied, invaded (except for
>a failed attempt by the USAmericans in 1812), etc.

Many of the self-governing island of Pacific have never been bombed either;
they also match the wits, talents, folklore and culture of the Canadian bliss.

> Whatever blood is on the hands of Canadians, is a fraction of the blood on
the >hands of USAmericans and Europeans.

Whatever culture is on the hands of Canadians, is a small ersatz of the
EuroUSAmerican heritage, except for the Eskimo traditions, which are , of
course, 100% Canadian.

>The culture of blood looks good on you.

The Eskimo cannibalism, part of the Canadian heritage, is most vividly
reflected in the novel "The Cat's Eye" by one of the most cherished Canadian
contemporary writers."Contemporary" is kind of redundant, are there any classic
Canadians?

On behalf of all my EuroUSAmerican people, please allow me Mr. W to tender our
deepest regrets for your sorrow; you joined the party late so you missed all
the fun!


Creative Intelligence Agency

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Balantza <bala...@aol.com> wrote
|(Wally Keeler) writes:
|> Canada has never been bombed, occupied, invaded (except for
|>a failed attempt by the USAmericans in 1812), etc.
|
|Many of the self-governing island of Pacific have never been bombed
|either; they also match the wits, talents, folklore and culture of the
|Canadian bliss.

No dispute in that regard; never was. It would seem that you are quite the
expert at missing the point.

|>Whatever blood is on the hands of Canadians, is a fraction of the blood
|>on the hands of USAmericans and Europeans.
|
|Whatever culture is on the hands of Canadians, is a small ersatz of the
|EuroUSAmerican heritage, except for the Eskimo traditions, which are, of
|course, 100% Canadian.

You'll have to ask the Inuit whether they regard themselves as 100%
Canadians. Are you certain that Eskimo traditions are the same as Inuit?

|>The culture of blood looks good on you.
|
|The Eskimo cannibalism, part of the Canadian heritage, is most vividly
|reflected in the novel "The Cat's Eye" by one of the most cherished
|Canadian contemporary writers."Contemporary" is kind of redundant, are
|there any classic Canadians?

Well, we know how the Yanks love their Eskimo Pies.



|On behalf of all my EuroUSAmerican people, please allow me Mr. W to tender
|our deepest regrets for your sorrow; you joined the party late so you
|missed all the fun!

Now that you sclerotic has-beens are collecting pension funds, it time for
another turn. :-)


Dorin M. Petre

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On 9 Mar 1998 04:19:11 GMT, cd...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Wally Keeler)
wrote:

>Canadian for sure, but bosgur?

^^^^^^

The correct term is "bozgor", from the Slavonic "bez" (without) and
"gora" (mountains). Therefore "bozgor" means "without mountains", or,
figuratively, "people from the plains". It was not considered a
pejorative until some Hungarians realized Transilvania was a rather
mountainous region...

BTW, the true Romanian pejorative for Hungarian is "boanghen", in case
you wanted to know...

Dorin M. Petre

Creative Intelligence Agency

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Dorin M. Petre <o...@nospam.interaccess.com> wrote in article
| On 9 Mar 1998 04:19:11 GMT, cd...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Wally Keeler)
| wrote:
| >Canadian for sure, but bosgur?
| ^^^^^^
| The correct term is "bozgor", from the Slavonic "bez" (without) and
| "gora" (mountains). Therefore "bozgor" means "without mountains", or,
| figuratively, "people from the plains". It was not considered a
| pejorative until some Hungarians realized Transilvania was a rather
| mountainous region...

That's the term I was familiar with, and thank you for fleshing it out.

| BTW, the true Romanian pejorative for Hungarian is "boanghen", in case
| you wanted to know...

I didn't, but now that it is brought to my attention, thank you. Does it
have any particular etymology?


Balantza

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In article <01bd4bc8$3eb47c40$236c...@ns.idirect.com>, "Creative
Intelligence Agency" <poet...@idirect.com> writes:

> It would seem that you are quite the expert at missing the point.

In all fairness, Mr. K, I cannot say ditto about your good self, on the
contrary, you've just proved MY point:

<Are you certain that Eskimo traditions are the same as Inuit?>

"Frankly, my dear, I don't care"!


Wally Keeler

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& you don't know.


Balantza

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In article <6e4mk0$e...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, cd...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
(Wally Keeler) writes:

>> <Are you certain that Eskimo traditions are the same as Inuit?>
>>
>> "Frankly, my dear, I don't care"!
>
>& you don't know.
>
>

Yes, I do & yes, they are! [the same rich lore that has enriched the world
civilization]
You don't need to go to college to learn that. Anyone who solves crossword
puzzles knows it.

Now it's your turn: where is this from:
"My dear, I don't give a damn" ?


AK&G

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> Balantza (bala...@aol.com) writes:
> Now it's your turn: where is this from:
> "My dear, I don't give a damn" ?

Nu stii, stupid? Stai jos, si gura mica de-acu' incolo..
Ghio a lu' Hreanu' - Arbitru'

JACK GOLD

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In article <19980311043...@ladder02.news.aol.com> bala...@aol.com (Balantza) writes:
>In article <6e4mk0$e...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, cd...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>(Wally Keeler) writes:
>
>>> <Are you certain that Eskimo traditions are the same as Inuit?>
>>>
>>> "Frankly, my dear, I don't care"!
>>
>>& you don't know.
>>
>>
>
>Yes, I do & yes, they are! [the same rich lore that has enriched the world
>civilization]
>You don't need to go to college to learn that. Anyone who solves crossword
>puzzles knows it.
>
>Now it's your turn: where is this from:
>"My dear, I don't give a damn" ?
>
>.
Correct:

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!

Jack


Stephen Dancs

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AK&G (ur...@netcom.ca) writes:


>> Balantza (bala...@aol.com) writes:
>>
>> Now it's your turn: where is this from:
>> "My dear, I don't give a damn" ?
>

> Nu stii, stupid? Stai jos, si gura mica de-acu' incolo..
> Ghio a lu' Hreanu' - Arbitru'

"C'mon [Ghio], make my day!"

(Gone with the... referee!) ;-) LOL LOL...
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Stephen Dancs

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JACK GOLD (INJ...@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA) writes:


>bala...@aol.com (Balantza) writes:
>>
>>Now it's your turn: where is this from:
>>"My dear, I don't give a damn" ?
>

> Correct: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!

Oops, frankly, Jack, you're right. And frankly, it's nice to see that
someone gives a damn, hahaha... ;-)

(Gone with... a small error.) :)

Balantza

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In article <11MAR98.19...@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, JACK GOLD
<INJ...@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:

>>Now it's your turn: where is this from:
>>"My dear, I don't give a damn" ?
>>

>>.


>Correct:
>
>Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!
>
>

They're both correct, one is from the book, the other one from the movie..

My intellectually challenging Jeopardy-like question was addressed to The
Greatest Poet of Our Times in an attempt to replicate his even more
intellectually challenging Junior high question pertaining to the rich
cultural traditions oh, Canada.


Balantza

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In article <6e8aq3$f...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bv...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
(Stephen Dancs) writes:

>JACK GOLD (INJ...@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA) writes:
>>bala...@aol.com (Balantza) writes

,,,,,,,,,,


Manca-i muica de eroi,
Dai in unu' tipa doi !

Fred.Chabot

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Vincent <spoor...@net.nl> wrote in article
<N.030298....@mt0203.wxs.nl>...
> Last month I had to stay for a week in Romania. Most of the people
working in
> offices, restasurants etc. were very rude and inpolite. If you are trying
to
> get more investments and tourists, then why don't you be normal against
western
> people, people who are investing in your country?
>
> Vincent ;((((
>
>

Fred.Chabot

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VZeldag

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rlukas

TRUBADUR10

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Jack Gold says : " Coorect: Frankly,my dear, I don't give a damn "
and Phoney-ka says " Gegangen mit ...a samll error" but they is
both wrong:
First, the guy said : " Frankly,mah dea, Ah don' give no dam' "
and second the quote ain't from neither Mitchell nor Butler, it
was first used by ...Maria Banus in Secerisuri Sfinte din Hotii lui
Schiller de Goethe.
And now I have one:who said first , Apres moi, le deluge ?


Balantza

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In article <19980314151...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, truba...@aol.com
(TRUBADUR10) writes:

>And now I have one:who said first , Apres moi, le deluge ?
>
>
>

Madame de Pompadour a zis-o pe frantuzeste.

Ttzara

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tu ma,si ala al 14-lea!!! lol tt

JACK GOLD

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In article <19980314151...@ladder01.news.aol.com> truba...@aol.com (TRUBADUR10) writes:
>Jack Gold says : " Coorect: Frankly,my dear, I don't give a damn "
>and Phoney-ka says " Gegangen mit ...a samll error" but they is
>both wrong:
>First, the guy said : " Frankly,mah dea, Ah don' give no dam' "
>and second the quote ain't from neither Mitchell nor Butler, it
>was first used by ...Maria Banus in Secerisuri Sfinte din Hotii lui
>Schiller de Goethe.
>And now I have one:who said first , Apres moi, le deluge ?
>
>......................................................................
Nu stiu cine a zis asta, dar stiu eu una buna cu Napoleon. El a deschis
usa dand intaietate unei doamne, spunandu-i in doi peri: Passez
beaute! ceace ar fi putut sa fie si "Passe beaute". La care tipa nu
s-a intimidat si i-a raspuns in acelas fel: "Comme la gloire de votre
majeste!" Asta mi-a venit in minte, fiindca si eu uneori, cand dau
intaietate unei doamne, ii spun: "Apres vous...le deluge!" (Aia ma
intreaba daca sunt eu "deluju")

Jack


TRUBADUR10

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>bala...@aol.com (Balantza) a dit (precum) que:

>Madame de Pompadour a zis-o pe frantuzeste.<

iar Ma tante ttzara,cica, ala al xivlea !
Aiurea !
I knew you wouldn't know !

I asked who said it first ! And that was Papa Noah ! When
his Ark was ready he slammed the door shut,grabbed his
bottle of Tequila (muy especial) and shrugin', said:
Je m'en fish ! Dapa mine potopu !


Ttzara

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papa Noah,

asa dus cu potopu' si ras de tequila,...
aiurea stiai? ai scos deshtu afara sa vezi-ncotro bate vintu!
je m'enfish tuuu tt

ahs

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TRUBADUR10 wrote:

> And now I have one:who said first , Apres moi, le deluge ?

Taica Noe al batran

x95t...@wmich.edu

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In article <6dqc90$8...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
cd...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Wally Keeler) wrote:
>


> Democracy has a way of making culture florish, whereas dictatorshit tends
> to stifle culture. Democracy or dictatorshit are highly influential to
> culture, and are intrinsically involved in cultural manifestations.

Really ? who's goin' to pay the cultural bill in a democracy?
As of Ceausescu's dictatorship, it could afford to spend to teach and train
high school students to get the first prize for years in the International
School Olympiads ....

And THAT is unforgivable... those lousy stinkin' rude communists...


>
> I am an ethnic Canadian. I have enjoyed the culture of uninterrupted
> democracy for my entire life,

Reading through your messages, I would say that you rather enjoyed
yourself ..just the democracy.. let's not push it, OK ?
>
> I am happy that I was born outside of Europe, that birthplace of two world
> wars that were the most lethal cultural manifstations in the history of
> the world. THAT is European culture, the culture of facism, nazism,
> communism, monarchy, dictatorshit, etc. Some fucken culture. Big deal that
> your culture has been around for centuries; given that WW1 & WW2 occurred
> is evidence that Europeans learned squat from all that culture. Impressive.
>

As I know it, about WW1 & 2, your people just had the luck to fight on
"others" battlefields; doesn't the word WORLD WAR ring a little bell?
It's not the EUROPEANS WARS...


Anyway, good luck and good bye !

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x95t...@wmich.edu

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In article <6dh7v9$bkl$1...@news02.btx.dtag.de>,

To...@t-online.de (Andrei) wrote:
>
> >Last month I had to stay for a week in Romania.
>

> It is a way of showing how smart romanians are : Romanian culture older than
> US culture; in europe more currencies, etc. That doesn´t have anything to
> do with your question, but Mr. Weingaertner demonstrates that he can be
> inpolite, especially by screaming : " STAY HOME, BECAUSE THERE is YOUR PLACE
> ! " (transl.) Capital letters = to scream.
>

I think there is just plain culture, you don't need a tag for it
(romanian, US, canadian..)

> You don´t start yelling: look at them they´re ruder than us.

Perfectly agree with this !

> If somebody is rude to you don´t go down to his level - Ignore it !
>

Yes, theoreticaly you're right, but .. well, feels good to throw mud..
and think we're all equals and pigs..

> I mean, for those of you who understand romanian, just read some of the
> messages posted before with all the rude things, and bad words, and with
> everybody tring to show how smart he or she is and how stupid the others.
> Exemples: "Prostii", "Re: lume de incredere" etc.

You are perfectly right, maybe the solution would be to start another
discussion group, I'd propose "soc.politics.romanian", and let them
enjoy there all the dirty words and rude things they like..

>
> Just remember: this newsgroup in entitled: soc.culture.romanian. Some of the
> postings are good and if something doesn´t interest sombody or that person
> has a different oppinion - just write your opinion. That doesn´t mean you
> have to offend persons that don´t share your opinion !
> But, I guess a Newsgroup is more or less anonymous, so everybody can write
> anything.

Just from a glimpse at soc.culture.romanian, I think slowly things are
going a little bit better than, 2-3 years ago, when, well, I was reading
it just to "refresh" my XXX knowledge of romanian dirty vocabulary


>
> I refuse to think that all romanians are like that, I know a lot that aren´t
> !! - the ones who are just scream louder and if you don´t listen to them
> they offend you ! ;-))
>
> --

Isn't this true for any nation ? Probably just the percentage of people
not screaming and yelling to get ahead is different, for different
rates of economic success...
Well, maybe I'm too pessimist..

Laurentziu/ Larry Tobosh
> Andrei
>
> please remove the XXX from the e-mail adress
> andr...@unforgettableXXX.com
>
> Pursuent to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, ß227, "Any and
> all nonsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a
> download and archival fee of $500.00 U.S."
> E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms.

x95t...@wmich.edu

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In article <6df40q$gn5$1...@cantuc.canterbury.ac.nz>,
"Cristian Croitoru" <c.cro...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
>
>
> Vincent wrote in message ...

> >Last month I had to stay for a week in Romania. Most of the people working
> in
> >offices, restasurants etc. were very rude and inpolite.
> That is the result of the communist era, the result of the upside down scale
> of values imposed by the bloody communist rulers..
> That's probably the most damaging scare (wound?)..
>
> Cristian Croitoru
>
>
I will agree with this one, and tell you that I had myself the same
relative impression when I visited Moscow in '92. They were rude
for my standards, as we are probably rude for western standards.. just a
matter of relative magnitude.. Russia had its 80 years of communism, we
had our 40 years.. but don't bother too much about it, you can find
rude people everywhere around the world, in places you less expect; the
important thing here, as opossed to mathematics, or philosophy, where you
try to generalize, is to try and individualize this behavior. It is
not a whole nation that's beeing rude, but single individuals...
It is easy to be rude when you hide behind a political slogan, or
party or creed, in the crowd.

Sincerely, Laurentziu Tobosh

x95t...@wmich.edu

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In article <6dk48h$n...@news1.mclink.it>,
"Alexandru-Florian Dumitrescu" <@mclink.it> wrote:
>
> My dear Vincent,
> I spent one year in the United States, and I assure you I met a lot of
> people rude and inpolite, but I also met nice people. I think that if you
> stay for one month in Romania, you can meet nice people too.
> Vincent ha scritto nel messaggio ...

> >Last month I had to stay for a week in Romania. Most of the people working
> in
> >offices, restasurants etc. were very rude and inpolite. If you are trying
> to
> >get more investments and tourists, then why don't you be normal against
> western
> >people, people who are investing in your country?

I bet that the percentage of the rude ones heavily outnumbers the
percentage of the nice ones, everywhere you go...
But where I think Vincent has a point, is that you don't expect a rude
behavior when you think of yourself as a prospective customer.
This is where the "bloody" comunist rule is to blame: there were no
such concept as the CUSTOMER in the communist era, so people are
not used to this. In my short stay last summer back home, in Bucharest,
for 2 weeks, it was only once, at a beer pub on Smardan, that I felt
I was treated like a customer (in the western acceptance of the word),
from the first moment I stepped inside. Let's face it, we can do better..
The only point were I have an objection to Vincent, is where he
pictures himself as a GUEST. As already said, he was a CUSTOMER, and
YES, we do not know our interest, we do not know how to please our
customers (most of the time)

Sincerely, Laurentziu Tobosh

> >
> >Vincent ;((((

x95t...@wmich.edu

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In article <34FF9542...@concentric.net>,
mitch <shy...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> Strange what people think about us americans smiling. Did you ever think
> maybe its because we are happy? Those people who work at McDonalds are
> making more money and have more freedom than a rocket scientist in Romania
> . My girlfriend is from Moldova
> and when she is in America she always smiles, yet when I am in Moldova I do
> not smile,
> hmmmm figure that one out.
>

Have you ever worked at Mc Donalds ? I doubt it, you're so happy..

regards Laurentziu Tobosh

x95t...@wmich.edu

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In article <19980305213...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
rom...@aol.com (Rommy W) wrote:
>
> I accept that you are tricky :

Yes your highness..

> - you are talking about the US Code, title 47.. but you are leaving in
Germany

..he is "living" in Germany, that doesn't mean he should not be interested
in US law, have his sympaties with it, and so forth..

> ! Ha, Ha Ha, Grues Gott! Hast Dich selbst verarscht!
..nicht sprache Deutsc.. so..no comments on this

> -I have to remeber you that Romania has a much longer history
> that the comunist era.
> - if you have any feeling of inferiority better you dont send any mails
> THINK ABOUT (and write after..)
>
try to understand what he has written, before judging and shooting to death..
or maybe this need for superiority for any reason is too familiar to you?

Sincerely, Laurentziu Tobosh

Andrei

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>Yes, theoreticaly you're right, but .. well, feels good to throw mud..
>and think we're all equals and pigs..


Oink oink !! (tranl.: you are right !)


>You are perfectly right, maybe the solution would be to start another
>discussion group, I'd propose "soc.politics.romanian", and let them
>enjoy there all the dirty words and rude things they like..
>
>>

Well how can we do that?
By the way do you know of any other romanian Newsgroups ?


>
>Isn't this true for any nation ? Probably just the percentage of people
>not screaming and yelling to get ahead is different, for different
>rates of economic success...
>Well, maybe I'm too pessimist..

Or maybe not so let´s scream !!

Andrei

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x95t...@wmich.edu schrieb in Nachricht <6eftto$bnm$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...


>In article <19980305213...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
> rom...@aol.com (Rommy W) wrote:
>>
>> I accept that you are tricky :
>
>Yes your highness..
>
>> - you are talking about the US Code, title 47.. but you are leaving in
>Germany
>
>..he is "living" in Germany, that doesn't mean he should not be interested
>in US law, have his sympaties with it, and so forth..

I get all my SPAM from USA so that's why I wrote this !


>> ! Ha, Ha Ha, Grues Gott! Hast Dich selbst verarscht!
>..nicht sprache Deutsc.. so..no comments on this


it says : "m-am pacalit singur sau asa ceva)

>> -I have to remeber you that Romania has a much longer history
>> that the comunist era.
>> - if you have any feeling of inferiority better you dont send any mails
>> THINK ABOUT (and write after..)
>>
>try to understand what he has written, before judging and shooting to
death..
>or maybe this need for superiority for any reason is too familiar to you?

--

Bulichi Larva

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> As of Ceausescu's dictatorship, it could afford to spend to teach and train
> high school students to get the first prize for years in the International
> School Olympiads ....
>
> And THAT is unforgivable... those lousy stinkin' rude communists...


Jesus Christ! From which asshole are you comin'. When God made you, the
shipments of brain were late and he filled up your head with shit.
Go suck Ceausescu's dick somewhere else.

Preda Mihailescu

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JACK GOLD wrote:
>
> In article <19980314151...@ladder01.news.aol.com> truba...@aol.com (TRUBADUR10) writes:
> >Jack Gold says : " Coorect: Frankly,my dear, I don't give a damn "
> >and Phoney-ka says " Gegangen mit ...a samll error" but they is
> >both wrong:
> >First, the guy said : " Frankly,mah dea, Ah don' give no dam' "
> >and second the quote ain't from neither Mitchell nor Butler, it
> >was first used by ...Maria Banus in Secerisuri Sfinte din Hotii lui
> >Schiller de Goethe.
> >And now I have one:who said first , Apres moi, le deluge ?
> >
> >......................................................................
> Nu stiu cine a zis asta, dar stiu eu una buna cu Napoleon. El a deschis
> usa dand intaietate unei doamne, spunandu-i in doi peri: Passez
> beaute! ceace ar fi putut sa fie si "Passe beaute". i

Nu era "Passez, beaute, passez", accentul al doilea fiind insa de
maniera sa se inteleaga "passez, beaute passee" .... ?

A. Albu

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x95t...@wmich.edu wrote:
>
> In article <6dh7v9$bkl$1...@news02.btx.dtag.de>,
> To...@t-online.de (Andrei) wrote:
> >
> > >Last month I had to stay for a week in Romania.
> >
>
> > It is a way of showing how smart romanians are : Romanian culture older than
> > US culture; in europe more currencies, etc. That doesn´t have anything to
> > do with your question, but Mr. Weingaertner demonstrates that he can be
> > inpolite, especially by screaming : " STAY HOME, BECAUSE THERE is YOUR PLACE
> > ! " (transl.) Capital letters = to scream.
> >
>
> I think there is just plain culture, you don't need a tag for it
> (romanian, US, canadian..)
>
>


There is an other aspect to the Cultures and Civilization subject,

Cultures could exist within or outside civilization. If you do not
accept a value system defined by the past 500 years you are defying the
civilization.

Time, as history that exists in our conscience, gives semantic meaning
to the elements of the visual environment. The semantic meaning is an
expression of the system of values and measures defined as a
civilization. Within civilization, cultures could coexist. Some of them
are so crucial that if removed will alter the civilization. Others, are
not so important without them the civilization could go on.


The US culture is a part of the Western Civilization the Romanian is
rejecting it.

Adalbert Albu


TRUBADUR10

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>(Andrei)

>STAY HOME, BECAUSE THERE is YOUR PLACE

Yup ! and that IS English !!!

"Because that is where your place is" sounds a lilly bit more
plausible.

To say nothin' of this idiotic " RUDE AGAINST ". For cryin'
out loud ! It is " rude to " !. A Romanian saying goes like so :
A madman throws a pebble in the pond and a hundred wise
asses can't retrive it !
A semi-illiterate wrote "rude against" and the friggin' phrase
has a' ready become Oxonian inglese...

Hurray for idiocy...


Fred.Chabot

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Vincent <spoor...@net.nl> wrote in article
<N.030298....@mt0203.wxs.nl>...

> Last month I had to stay for a week in Romania. Most of the people
working in
> offices, restasurants etc. were very rude and inpolite. If you are trying
to
> get more investments and tourists, then why don't you be normal against
western
> people, people who are investing in your country?
>

> Vincent ;((((
>
>
Pendant mes nombreux séjours en Roumanie j'y ai rencontré seulement des
gens aimables, gentils et polis
Mais je vais au devant d'eux toujours la main tendue, plein de tolérance.
Comment les avez vous abordé?
Avec votre "supériorté" occidentale?
Retournez y avec un autre état d'esprit.
Amitiés.
Fred.

Fred.Chabot

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