ra sichumea? gvchirdeba visitorebi garedan.
Nana Bukhsianidze
ai kvelaferi movagvaret, dimitri volshebniki titkmis gavadzevet, agar
schanan shovinisti rusebi tu vitom rusebi rom sakmeebi vurchiot. titkos
dzalian motsadinebulebi vikavit jgufis gatsmendisatvis. momilocnia
kvelastvis chemis chatvlit, mizani titkmis migtseulia! mereda ra? arc
araferi. sichume da motskeniloba. rogorc schans umravlesoba kartvelebs
saocrad dakavebuli dgis tsesrigi gvakvs, zogic gabrazebulia, zogic
ubralod morcxvobs. salaparakos meti ra gvakvs, chvens samshobloshi
scemen jurnalistebs, moxucebul kalebs nigbiani vajkacebi tsixlebit da
xelketebit umaspindzldebian, rom es ukanasknelni eiforiashi darchnen
samudamod, xelfasebs ar arigeben. chaatares archevnebi, mosaxleobam
aravitari monatsileoba ar miigo titkmis. rogor mogtsont is fakti rom
4%-iani barieri arsebobs ( rom gansxvavebulad moazrovneebs aravitari
shansi ar akvt rogorc amomrchevlebs aseve rogorc politikosebs) da amave
dros mosaxleobis 3/4 tu ar gadis archevnebze da 1/4-idan vigac 20%-s (
mosalxeobis 5%) igebs is gamarjvebulad itvleba. tu es sakmarisi araa, ai
batono staravoitova mokles, modit shevafasot. tu chveni mamapapis tsess
mivsdevt da gardacvlilebze agarafers vitkvit. axlaxans dimitris tserili
tsavikitxe, ambobs: shexedet ras gavxart ra mosatsekni jgufiao. ar minda
davetanxmo magram titkmis martalia. ert rames vfirob etkoba ise
chavmegobrdit ertmanetis "gashaveba" agar gvartobs (xshirad es
newsgroupebi sxvas arafers aketeben).
ai me chemi tsvlili shevitane sakmeshi da momakvdavs kidev erti suntkva
shtavbere.
axla sxvebis jeria.
nana
ise erti idea makvs, modit saxelebi shevicvalot da am mogonili
pirovnebebis saxelit rame sisuleleebi vsterot ( rom ar gvestkinos
sheuracxkofebi) rom gavagvidzot am jgufis garindebuli mosaxleoba. :-)))
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Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> In article <3656E9...@meridianworldservices.com>,
> Nana Bukhsianidze <gr...@meridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> > gamarjobat xalxo!
> > ai kvelaferi movagvaret, dimitri volshebniki titkmis gavadzevet,
>
> da gesli
>
> >agar
> > schanan shovinisti rusebi tu vitom rusebi rom sakmeebi vurchiot. titkos
> > dzalian motsadinebulebi vikavit jgufis gatsmendisatvis. momilocnia
> > kvelastvis chemis chatvlit, mizani titkmis migtseulia! mereda ra? arc
> > araferi. sichume da motskeniloba. rogorc schans umravlesoba kartvelebs
> > saocrad dakavebuli dgis tsesrigi gvakvs, zogic gabrazebulia, zogic
> > ubralod morcxvobs. salaparakos meti ra gvakvs, chvens samshobloshi
> > scemen jurnalistebs, moxucebul kalebs nigbiani vajkacebi tsixlebit da
> > xelketebit umaspindzldebian, rom es ukanasknelni eiforiashi darchnen
> > samudamod, xelfasebs ar arigeben. chaatares archevnebi, mosaxleobam
> > aravitari monatsileoba ar miigo titkmis. rogor mogtsont is fakti rom
> > 4%-iani barieri arsebobs ( rom gansxvavebulad moazrovneebs aravitari
> > shansi ar akvt rogorc amomrchevlebs aseve rogorc politikosebs) da amave
> > dros mosaxleobis 3/4 tu ar gadis archevnebze da 1/4-idan vigac 20%-s (
> > mosalxeobis 5%) igebs is gamarjvebulad itvleba. tu es sakmarisi araa, ai
> > batono staravoitova mokles,
>
> Boneric; tu dzalian guli gichukdebat, cremlebi im atasobit qartvelistvis
> dagvaret, cocxlad rom dacves da tavebi daachres samachablosa da abkhazetshi;
> agar aris dro rom gons movegot, mtris adgilas mteri davinaxot da chveni
> bedovlaturi uazro kvelasmokvareobit is mainc agar gavachuqot rac shemogvrcha
> odes kopili sakartvelodan?
mapatie magram sad vtkvi rom guli michukdeba? ise kvela adamiani codoa
dzaladobit sikvdilisatvis. dzaladobas ver gaamartleb verafrit. torem
saxlarovis da staravoitovas mekanikuri tu matematikuri midgoma
kveknebisa tu erebis mimart chemtvis kargadaa cnobili.
nana
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> Nana Bukhsianidze <gr...@meridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> > > chaatares archevnebi,[..] rogor mogtsont is fakti rom
> > > 4%-iani barieri arsebobs ( rom gansxvavebulad moazrovneebs aravitari
> > > shansi ar akvt rogorc amomrchevlebs aseve rogorc politikosebs)
>
> naqopia da politikuri asparezis martvadobas isaxavs miznad. vinaidan
> sakartveloshi ori an tundac sami mtavari partia ar arsebobs da amastan
> politikur jalta didi daksaksulob da mravalperovnebaa, aucilebelia raime
> sashualebit seriozuli politikuri motamasheebis da jalebis gamorcheva
> axirebuli an tundac calmizniani jgupebisagan.
>
> 4% zgurbli scored am miznitaa mogonili, da ara marto sakartveloshi. es
> uzrunvelqops rom archeul partias an pirvnebas amomrchevelta sul mcire 4
> procenti ucers mxars. cinaagmdeg shemtxvevashi qvela dauzarebel sherekils
> sheejleba sakanonmdeblo an samtavrobo organoshi moxvedra da tavisi cvrilmani
> proektis ganxorcielebistvis brjola
eh ... es sherekilebi 4%ian zgurbls dzalian xshirad abijebdnen da kidev
abijeben didi tsarmatebit am chvens kvekanashi. es matsuxebs stsored.
rogorme xalxma unda istavlos avisa da kargis garcheva torem xshirad
"sherekilebi" umravlesobas igeben da moazrovne jgufebi sadgac ikit
rchebian.
axla bn. reno siradzes minda rom vupasuxo.
me batono reno archevnebze ar gasvla did gamosavlad ar mimachnia. tu
maincdamainc aravin ginda mokalakes rogorc tsarmomadgeneli, ar sjobia
gaisarjo, mixvide im saarchevno ubanshi da kvela kandidatura gadaxazo?
xom vxedavt rom ar ishleba es archevnebi? da mgoni arc araferi ar
chashlis?
gaixsenet baltiispiretis saxalxo fronti, mat miiges "komunistur"
archevnebshi monatsileoba, da tsarmatebas miagtsies, archevnebi mat
politikuri brdzolis civilur sashualebad dainaxes. tankebit da ertmanetis
furtxebit sakme ar ketdeba. maxsovs irakli tsereteli ra didi
tavdajerebit ambobda ra gvchirs chven baltiispiretis misabadzio. rac
shemdeg moxda kvelaferma achvena rom dzalian bevri rame gvkonda
misabadzi turme, ufro storad gasatvlasitsinebeli.
amit droshi tsavaget da daviksakset.
maxsovs nodar natadze lamis rom scemes archevnebisatvis mxaris dacheris
gamo. mashin umravlesoba ase fikropbda, sjobs brmad vendot ert kacso. ai
is ras itkviso. axlac igive situaciaa. erti kaci ras itkvis imas
vakuradebt. anda saertodac agar gvinda agaraferi apatiashi vart, vitom
chveni kveknis momavali chveni ki ara sxvisi sashenebeli ikos.
samtsuxaroa es kovelive.
ise rac sheexeba im sashinelebas rasac chveni policia schadis zviadisti
kalebis mimart, imas verasodes ver mivigeb. sakme imashia rom es
zviadisti mandilosnebi ragac tsarmoudgeneli dzalebit tu mizezit
axerxeben am cema tkepis atanas, magram sinamdvile imashia rom
arazviadistic rom sheikribos erti 20-ode kaci da davushvat sulikos
leksad xmamagla gamotkmit rustavelze chaiaron imatac ketebit
gaumaspindzldebian shavosani raindebi ( zoros magoneben ise, daarkvit
zviadistebo mat zoroebi :-) ).
es "zoroebi" unda gakrnen im kuchebidan tu gvinda rom xalxi gverkvas.
nana
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> martla? raze shegvatkve? zviads rom ar vadgergdzelebt koveli cerilis bolos,
> imitom xom ara?
tkven dzvirfaso echviano tomav, stsorad ver mimixvdit tserilis shinaars.
dzalian urtsmunoebashic nu gadavardebit.
>
> netav shennairi "namdvili kartvelebi" ratom ar sckaloben am jgufs? ushlit
> vinme aq stumrobas?
rodis aket dautsket ase tskaloba am newsgroups batono tomav?
>
> ex... sheni gulistkivilic gasagebia, reno genacvale:-)... magram shen mainc
> aravin mogcems xmas, ramdeni bogmac ar unda antxio...
sad dainaxet mis tserilshi bogma? tu piradad icnobt?
saocrebaa pirdapir zogiertebis logika: tu is ar mogtsons rac
umravlesobas an zviadisti xar an kidev shevardnadzisti, da
sadgegrdzeloebis temebic amogetsura. ase nu msjelobt getakva.
nana
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> Irakly wrote:
>
> > me arasodes ar ucherdi mxars putchistebs...
>
> kargi kofila iarlikebis micebeba sxvebistvis? xom gamoscade
>
> shens tavze? me tu mavnebeli var, shenc ikavi teroristi,
>
> ras gaibute? :-)
>
> rac sheexeba nanas, verafrit ver gavige rashi var damnashave.
>
> me mag qalbatonistvis araferi ar damibralebia da arc araferi
>
> maqvs gasakofi. roca reno siradzem mtel jgufs sheuracxkofa
>
> miakena da axlandeli mtavrobis marionetebad gamogvacxada,
>
> sakadrisi pasuxic miigo. mere ki, renos magivrad, rbilad rom
>
> vtkvat, ganerviulebul qalbatonebtan momixda kamati. amgvari
>
> uazro shexla-shemoxlis gagrdzelebis aravitari survili ara maqvs.
>
> naxvamdis.
>
> DT
>
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gamarjoba!
Ar vici ra gkvia supernewsis usero;
martali xar. me optionshi "all messages" ar mkonda archeuli da renosadmi
sheni tserili ragacatom chemma navigatorma chems sapasuxod gamogzavnil
tserilad tsarmomidgina. shenma tonma dzalian gamakvirva, imitom rom me
mgoni araferi ar mkonda vinmes gasagizianeblad datserili.
ganerviulebuli kalbatoni kidev me ar gaxlavar. sad shemamchnie erti es
nerviuloba? ra kvelas ganerviulebuli kalbatonebi gidgat tvaltsin? (
gansakutrebit politikas rom sheexeba sakme, morcha arika kali
nerviulobso. :-)) )kalma kivilis da tvalebis brialis garda kidev icis
tsknarad da normalurad laparaki.
gexumre da eg iko. tu rame getskina bodishs gixdi. ise ki gavvocdi,
sheni sitkvit rom vtkva kalbatons sadgegrdzeloebis tematikis amotsurvaze
rom damitske laparaki. turme me ar mpasuxobdi. chvenshi kalebi
maincdamainc did tamadebad ar itvlebian. amis mere am "all messages"
avirchev, rom sxvis magivrad ar gavisarjo.
ise ert rames vitkodi. modit am zviadizms da putchizms kartulad nu
shevexebit, torem bevrma sheidzleba tavi ar motokos da atkdeba
utsmatsuri landzgva-gineba. mitumetes rom bevri am sakitxit dakavebuli
pirovneba dialogis survils da unars ar amjgavnebs. tumca es ar gexeba
arc shen da arc iraklis.
kidev ertxel bodishis moxdit
nana
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Nana Bukhsianidze <gr...@meridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> gamarjobat xalxo!
> ai kvelaferi movagvaret, dimitri volshebniki titkmis gavadzevet,
arsad ar gadzevebula, mikuchebulia da dros ucdis rom isev gadmoantxios shxami
da gesli
>agar
> schanan shovinisti rusebi tu vitom rusebi rom sakmeebi vurchiot. titkos
> dzalian motsadinebulebi vikavit jgufis gatsmendisatvis. momilocnia
> kvelastvis chemis chatvlit, mizani titkmis migtseulia! mereda ra? arc
> araferi. sichume da motskeniloba. rogorc schans umravlesoba kartvelebs
> saocrad dakavebuli dgis tsesrigi gvakvs, zogic gabrazebulia, zogic
> ubralod morcxvobs. salaparakos meti ra gvakvs, chvens samshobloshi
> scemen jurnalistebs, moxucebul kalebs nigbiani vajkacebi tsixlebit da
> xelketebit umaspindzldebian, rom es ukanasknelni eiforiashi darchnen
> samudamod, xelfasebs ar arigeben. chaatares archevnebi, mosaxleobam
> aravitari monatsileoba ar miigo titkmis. rogor mogtsont is fakti rom
> 4%-iani barieri arsebobs ( rom gansxvavebulad moazrovneebs aravitari
> shansi ar akvt rogorc amomrchevlebs aseve rogorc politikosebs) da amave
> dros mosaxleobis 3/4 tu ar gadis archevnebze da 1/4-idan vigac 20%-s (
> mosalxeobis 5%) igebs is gamarjvebulad itvleba. tu es sakmarisi araa, ai
> batono staravoitova mokles,
adre iko chasadzaglebeli egec, nabichvari Saxarovic da misi dampali coli
Boneric; tu dzalian guli gichukdebat, cremlebi im atasobit qartvelistvis
dagvaret, cocxlad rom dacves da tavebi daachres samachablosa da abkhazetshi;
agar aris dro rom gons movegot, mtris adgilas mteri davinaxot da chveni
bedovlaturi uazro kvelasmokvareobit is mainc agar gavachuqot rac shemogvrcha
odes kopili sakartvelodan?
>modit shevafasot. tu chveni mamapapis tsess
> mivsdevt da gardacvlilebze agarafers vitkvit. axlaxans dimitris tserili
> tsavikitxe, ambobs: shexedet ras gavxart ra mosatsekni jgufiao. ar minda
> davetanxmo magram titkmis martalia. ert rames vfirob etkoba ise
> chavmegobrdit ertmanetis "gashaveba" agar gvartobs (xshirad es
> newsgroupebi sxvas arafers aketeben).
> ai me chemi tsvlili shevitane sakmeshi da momakvdavs kidev erti suntkva
> shtavbere.
> axla sxvebis jeria.
>
> nana
> ise erti idea makvs, modit saxelebi shevicvalot da am mogonili
> pirovnebebis saxelit rame sisuleleebi vsterot ( rom ar gvestkinos
> sheuracxkofebi) rom gavagvidzot am jgufis garindebuli mosaxleoba. :-)))
> --
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Irakly
Me am grupis mkithveli var. inglisuri jer ar vici ise kargat rom aktiuri
monacileoba mivigo. kartulad kidev ak aravis ar unda saubari da albat es
scorea. Tu nebas momcemt patara komentaris gauketeb tkven cerils.
>salaparakos meti ra gvakvs, chvens samshobloshi
>scemen jurnalistebs, moxucebul kalebs nigbiani vajkacebi tsixlebit da
>xelketebit umaspindzldebian, rom es ukanasknelni eiforiashi darchnen
>samudamod, xelfasebs ar arigeben. chaatares archevnebi, mosaxleobam
>aravitari monatsileoba ar miigo titkmis. rogor mogtsont is fakti rom
>4%-iani barieri arsebobs ( rom gansxvavebulad moazrovneebs aravitari
>shansi ar akvt rogorc amomrchevlebs aseve rogorc politikosebs) da amave
>dros mosaxleobis 3/4 tu ar gadis archevnebze da 1/4-idan vigac 20%-s (
>mosalxeobis 5%) igebs is gamarjvebulad itvleba.
ratom gikvirt? eseti ubedureba didi hania sacartveloshi. albat kvela
mivechviet amas da amitom agar aris es salaparako. chven hom vendet
"demokrat" shevardnadzes, da ehla vacalot kidev cota hans. albat es
kvelaperi sachiroa da chven ubralod ver vhvdebit ra akvs chapikrebuli am did
pirovnebas. albat es aris demokratiza-a-a-cia.
>tu es sakmarisi araa, ai
>batono staravoitova mokles, modit shevafasot. tu chveni mamapapis tsess
>mivsdevt da gardacvlilebze agarafers vitkvit.
es aris sashineli tragedia. ra unda itkvas im sazogadoebaze sadac kalebs ese
klaven(samcuharod dges sakartveloc titkmis ar chamorchenila did mezobels am
sakithshi. chventan jer xelketebs urtkaven).
gardacvlilebze an kargi unda itkves an araperi magram ert informacias mainc
mogacodebt. TV programa "vremechkoshi" romelic moskovis 3 arhze gamodis gia
etershi dareka abhazma deputatma da shemdegi ram gamoatshada: chven abhazebi
dzalian madlobelebi vart kalbaton starovoitovasio . chven aktiurad mhars
gvicherdao. am cels agvistoshi chamosuli iko sohumshio da ase shem...
shegahsenebt rom starovoitova rogorc saharovi tvlida sakartvelos patara
imperiat.
rusetshi starovoitova itvleboda cheshmarit demokratad da mesmis ratom,
magram magisi azrit
gamodis rom 300000 gamogdebul kartvels "demokratiul" abhazetshi tshovrebis
upleba ara akvt. gamodis rom demokratia rusebistvis da abhazebistvis ertia
da kartvelebistvis sul shva ramea.
me mgoni dzalian cudi araperi davcere micvalebulze da mamapapis tsesebi ar
davargvie....
>ise erti idea makvs, modit saxelebi shevicvalot da am mogonili
>pirovnebebis saxelit rame sisuleleebi vsterot ( rom ar gvestkinos
>sheuracxkofebi) rom gavagvidzot am jgufis garindebuli mosaxleoba. :-)))
es saintereso azria. magram erti rame unda gavaketod. im degenerati
shovinictis sahels nu ahsenebt an shvanaerat daarkvit imitom rom gindac
kartulad dascert magaze, mainc mihvdeba vizea laparaki da isev daitkebs...
Mokithvit Irakly
Reno Siradze
>
nana genacvale,
sheni gulistkivili gasagebia, magram samcuxarod am jguphis stumrebis
umravlesoba is xalxia, romlebic im egretcodebul archevnebshic miigebden
monacileobas da visac sachiroa, imasac miscemden xmas:(
pativiscemit,
reno
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Nana Bukhsianidze <gr...@meridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> > chaatares archevnebi,[..] rogor mogtsont is fakti rom
> > 4%-iani barieri arsebobs ( rom gansxvavebulad moazrovneebs aravitari
> > shansi ar akvt rogorc amomrchevlebs aseve rogorc politikosebs)
nana, 4% zgurbli raime boroti chanapikri ki araa aramed sagi azris
naqopia da politikuri asparezis martvadobas isaxavs miznad. vinaidan
sakartveloshi ori an tundac sami mtavari partia ar arsebobs da amastan
politikur jalta didi daksaksulob da mravalperovnebaa, aucilebelia raime
sashualebit seriozuli politikuri motamasheebis da jalebis gamorcheva
axirebuli an tundac calmizniani jgupebisagan.
4% zgurbli scored am miznitaa mogonili, da ara marto sakartveloshi. es
uzrunvelqops rom archeul partias an pirvnebas amomrchevelta sul mcire 4
procenti ucers mxars. cinaagmdeg shemtxvevashi qvela dauzarebel sherekils
sheejleba sakanonmdeblo an samtavrobo organoshi moxvedra da tavisi cvrilmani
proektis ganxorcielebistvis brjola, rac politikur process gautavebeli
kamatis da vachrobis gzaze daaqenebs.
roca polonetis saarchevno sistema sheimushaves, sxvagvarad mozrovnetatvis
shansi rom miecat archevnebis proporciuli sistema qovelgvari zgurblis
gareshe datoves, ramac sruli domxali moitana. gamocdilebit ckuanascavlama
polonelebma shemdeg archevneistvis 5 % zgurbli shemoiges da nacilobriv
mainc dacmindes asparezi araserioxuli jalebisgan.
> > batono staravoitova mokles,
gias vetanxmebi imashi rom eg kali chveni satirali araa. misi mokvla sxva
ubedurebas miutitebs, magram es rusebis tavsatexia. tumca misi sikvdilit
chven araperi gveshveleba, radgan misnairi kopakebi mravlad aran im
kveqanashi, me piradad mag kalis armousvlelshi casvlam guli ar damcvia.
levani
Supernews User
imitom xom ara?
vinme aq stumrobas?
aravin mogcems xmas, ramdeni bogmac ar unda antxio...
irakly
memgoni shen upro mavnebeli har am jgupistvis da sakartvelostvis vidre 1000
volshebniki. upro meti bogma gakvs.
shen tu namdvili kartveli har volshebnikia David Agmashenebeli.
Irakly
Supernews User <dt1...@email.com> записано в статью
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Irakly
>tu maincdamainc aravin ginda mokalakes rogorc tsarmomadgeneli, ar sjobia
>gaisarjo, mixvide im saarchevno ubanshi da kvela kandidatura gadaxazo?
>xom vxedavt rom ar ishleba es archevnebi? da mgoni arc araferi ar
>chashlis?
archevnebi rom ar ishleba es ar nishnavs rom demokratiulia. brejnevis dros
arc erti archevnebi ar chashlila.
chemi azrit mokalakem unda miigos nebismier archevnebshi monatileoba da
rodisme miagtevs mizans(brejnevis archevnebsac hgonda bolo), magram dges
rogorc archevnebma achvenes halhs didi apatia akvs.
shva sakithia saidan modis es apatia.
>gaixsenet baltiispiretis saxalxo fronti, mat miiges "komunistur"
>archevnebshi monatsileoba, da tsarmatebas miagtsies, archevnebi mat
>politikuri brdzolis civilur sashualebad dainaxes. tankebit da ertmanetis
>furtxebit sakme ar ketdeba.
100% getanhmebi.chvenc am gzaze videkit magram archevnebi ar
"chagvetvala".upro scored ar "chagvitvales".ehla gamodis rom isev komunistur
archevnebshi unda miigos halhma monacileoba da tu carmatebas miagtsevs albat
isev ar "chaitvleba". gadatrialebam sheachera demokratiuli processi da
amitom bevri dro unda gavides rom halhs ndoba daubrundes demokratiuli
archevnebis.
>ise rac sheexeba im sashinelebas rasac chveni policia schadis zviadisti
>kalebis mimart, imas verasodes ver mivigeb.
natsilobrivad ukve miige, imitom rom am kalebshi pirvel rigshi hedav
zviadist kalebs da ara kartvel kalebs.im policielebs rom urtkaven
arcmuneben rom tkven kalebs ar urtkamt, zviadistebs urtkavt.
titon es termini- "zviadisti" chemi azrit aris dzalian mavnebeli
sakartvelostvis.
> sakme imashia rom es
>zviadisti mandilosnebi ragac tsarmoudgeneli dzalebit tu mizezit
>axerxeben am cema tkepis atanas, magram sinamdvile imashia rom
>arazviadistic rom sheikribos erti 20-ode kaci da davushvat sulikos
>leksad xmamagla gamotkmit rustavelze chaiaron imatac ketebit
>gaumaspindzldebian shavosani raindebi ( zoros magoneben ise, daarkvit
>zviadistebo mat zoroebi :-) ).
>es "zoroebi" unda gakrnen im kuchebidan tu gvinda rom xalxi gverkvas.
am zoroebs gavakrobt da shva zoroebi mova. ejovi dahvrites, iagoda movida,
iagoda dahvrites, beria movida da a.sh. mizezi unda moispos.
tu gvinda halhi gverkvas zoroebi ki ar unda gavakrot, mafia da kopili
komunisturi nomenklatura unda movashorot helisuplebas sakartveloshi da
zoroebi amis mere titon gakrebian.
Irakly
Supernews User
tqveni cerilis shinaars aranairi kavshiri ar hqonda chems pasuxtan
pativcemulsacemi renosatvis. tu tkvenc etanxmebit imas, rom am jgufis
stumarta umravlesobam archevnebshi miigo monacileoba da "visac sachiroa"
imas misca xma, mashin tkventan araferi maqvs salaparako... samcuxarod. sul
kargad brdzandebodet
irakly,
mavnebeli vin aris, momavalshi gamochndeba. "davit agmasheneblebi" ki martla
momravldnen rusetshi, shegidzlia sheexmiano da mxaric dauchiro, aba shen
ici:
The "Co-Ordination Council for Restoration of Legitimate
Government" Takes Responsibility for the October 19 Mutiny
In its last statement, the Moscow-based Co-ordination Council
for Restoration of Legitimate Government (i.e. the government
of ex-president Zviad Gamsakhurdia) takes responsibility for
the October 19 mutiny in Western Georgia led by Akaki Eliava.
The authors of the statement demand Shevardnadze to free all
the suspects arrested in connection with the mutiny, as well
as all supporters of the legitimate government, and resign.
According to the statement, the legimate government will soon
come to power, and stability in Georgia will be maintained by
armed forces of a "United Caucasian House".
by Toma Chagelashvili. "Sakartvelos Gazeti", November 27
Irakly
>mavnebeli vin aris, momavalshi gamochndeba. "davit agmasheneblebi" ki
martla
>momravldnen rusetshi, shegidzlia sheexmiano da mxaric dauchiro, aba shen
>ici:
>The "Co-Ordination Council for Restoration of Legitimate
>Government" Takes Responsibility for the October 19 Mutiny
>In its last statement, the Moscow-based Co-ordination Council
>for Restoration of Legitimate Government (i.e. the government
>of ex-president Zviad Gamsakhurdia) takes responsibility for
>the October 19 mutiny in Western Georgia led by Akaki Eliava.
>The authors of the statement demand Shevardnadze to free all
>the suspects arrested in connection with the mutiny, as well
>as all supporters of the legitimate government, and resign.
>According to the statement, the legimate government will soon
>come to power, and stability in Georgia will be maintained by
>armed forces of a "United Caucasian House".
>by Toma Chagelashvili. "Sakartvelos Gazeti", November 27
me arasodes ar ucherdi mxars putchistebs.am organizacias araperi saerto ara
akvs arc Gamsahurdiastan da arc kopil kanonier mtavrobastan.upro ahlos
ehlandel mtavrobastan aris. Eliavam Shevardnadzes emsahura 5 celi da
Gamsahurdias nahevari celic ar emsahura. me velodi imas rom "zviadistobas"
da terroristobas damabralebdit. Nanamac ubralod sakithi dasva da im tsutshi
"zviadisti" gahda. imitom daudzahe amas mavnebloba.
Tu am grupashi ar sheidzleba ganshvavebuli azris gamotkma mashin
shematkobinet ra sheidzleba da ra ara.
tkven rom ar shegatsuhot hmas agar amovigeb. shekmenit virtualuri Mokalaketa
kavshiri da ichukchuket ertmanetshi.
Irakly
Supernews User
> me arasodes ar ucherdi mxars putchistebs...
kargi kofila iarlikebis micebeba sxvebistvis? xom gamoscade
shens tavze? me tu mavnebeli var, shenc ikavi teroristi,
ras gaibute? :-)
rac sheexeba nanas, verafrit ver gavige rashi var damnashave.
me mag qalbatonistvis araferi ar damibralebia da arc araferi
maqvs gasakofi. roca reno siradzem mtel jgufs sheuracxkofa
miakena da axlandeli mtavrobis marionetebad gamogvacxada,
sakadrisi pasuxic miigo. mere ki, renos magivrad, rbilad rom
vtkvat, ganerviulebul qalbatonebtan momixda kamati. amgvari
uazro shexla-shemoxlis gagrdzelebis aravitari survili ara maqvs.
naxvamdis.
lev...@my-dejanews.com
>
> rogorme xalxma unda istavlos avisa da kargis garcheva torem xshirad
> "sherekilebi" umravlesobas igeben da moazrovne jgufebi sadgac ikit
> rchebian.
Nana savsebit getanxmebi. Imedia imashi dametanxmebi rom es saarchevno
kanonis probl;maa ki araa aramed amomrchevelta. me regularulad vkitxuliob
sazogadoebis interesta dacvis ligis (PIPL) cnobebs da vxedav rom es da sxva
organizacia cdilobs mosaxleobistvis tavisupali archevnebis cnebebis
ganmartebas. bunebrivia, aseti cvlileba ertbashad ar moxdeba magram es ar
unda iqos mosalodneli. mtavaria pata-patara nabijebi da tavad
archevnebis chatarebis aucileblobis shegneba.
lev...@my-dejanews.com
"Irakly" <ira...@online.ru> wrote:
>
> >ise rac sheexeba im sashinelebas rasac chveni policia schadis zviadisti
> >kalebis mimart, imas verasodes ver mivigeb.
>
> natsilobrivad ukve miige, imitom rom am kalebshi pirvel rigshi hedav
> zviadist kalebs da ara kartvel kalebs.
irakli, am shemtxvevashi ar xar martali vinaidan nanam ubralod gamosarchevad
uconda am xalxs eg saxeli. saertod getanxvebi rom eg sitqva
damamcirebelia da tavad vcdilob ar vixmaro. amave dros, tvit am xalxis
momkmedeba mibijgebs im daskvnisaken rom mat erti pirvnebis garda
araperi ar akvt sabrjolveli, rac mats samcuxaro poliktikur miamitobasa
da umomavlobaze metqvelebs.
Reno Siradze
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na...@my-dejanews.com
da saertod - moazrovne moqalaqeta raodenoba sul 5% sheadgens...
ra tqma unda tu xumrobaa mec vixumreb egre, magram xalxma dzalian kargad icis
ra unda - yvelam icis, mat aravitari ganatleba da chkuis scavla ar schirdebat
rom sikete siavisagan gnasxvavon, xalxs normaluri ekonomiuri situacia unda,
aravis ar unda omi da shimshili.
magram roca qveyanawi dzalauplebis monopoliaa, rogorc iko komunistebis an
zviadis dros da bolos rogorc exla aris, xalxi apatiashi vardeba, gamosavali
ar arsebobs garda radikaluri zomebisa. komunisturi era radikalurad sheicvala
da xalxi eiporiis gavlenit gavida archevnebze - mere isev omi da tankebi shua
qalaqshi, xalxi isev gavida xmis misacemad. Magram yovelive am radikalur
cvlilebas demokratia ar moutania, dzalaupleba isev da isev patara jgupis -
erti adamianis xelshi vardeboda. Istoria meordeba yovel nabijze, ratom
gikvirt rom xalxs aghar aaqvs arapris rcmena, ra mnishvnelobaa vis miscemen
xmas - veraperi daarghvevs am monopolias.
magram me mainc didi imedi maqvs rom drota ganmavlobashi es situacia
sheicvleba. omi arasdros ar iyo gamosavali - chemi azrit mxolod gaauaresa
isedac dangreuli qveyana. adamians tavisi xalxis rcmena unda hqondes.
marika
In article <73t1ge$7jv$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
lev...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Nana Bukhsianidze <gr...@meridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> >
> > rogorme xalxma unda istavlos avisa da kargis garcheva torem xshirad
> > "sherekilebi" umravlesobas igeben da moazrovne jgufebi sadgac ikit
> > rchebian.
>
> Nana savsebit getanxmebi. Imedia imashi dametanxmebi rom es saarchevno
> kanonis probl;maa ki araa aramed amomrchevelta. me regularulad vkitxuliob
> sazogadoebis interesta dacvis ligis (PIPL) cnobebs da vxedav rom es da sxva
> organizacia cdilobs mosaxleobistvis tavisupali archevnebis cnebebis
> ganmartebas. bunebrivia, aseti cvlileba ertbashad ar moxdeba magram es ar
> unda iqos mosalodneli. mtavaria pata-patara nabijebi da tavad
> archevnebis chatarebis aucileblobis shegneba.
>
lev...@my-dejanews.com
dt1...@email.com (Supernews User) wrote:
>
> rac sheexeba nanas, verafrit ver gavige rashi var damnashave.
> me mag qalbatonistvis araferi ar damibralebia da arc araferi
> maqvs gasakofi. roca reno siradzem mtel jgufs sheuracxkofa
> miakena da axlandeli mtavrobis marionetebad gamogvacxada,
> sakadrisi pasuxic miigo. mere ki, renos magivrad, rbilad rom
> vtkvat, ganerviulebul qalbatonebtan momixda kamati. amgvari
> uazro shexla-shemoxlis gagrdzelebis aravitari survili ara maqvs.
> naxvamdis.
DT
isev da isev am jgupis stumrebi karis jaxunit gvtoveben imis gamo rom
gaugebrobis an tundac umisamarto kbenis atana ar jalujt. arada ra
advilia am ratomgac daujleveli dabrkolebis gadalaxva. ubralod ert qurshi
sheushvi da meoredan gamoushvi rac pirad sheuracxqopad migachnia.
DT es shentvis gansakutrebit advili unda iqos vinaidan sakutar vinaobasac ar
amxel ramdenadac vxedav.
kamats rom tavi davanebot ra saxis saubari ikneboda shesajlebeli qovel
mochvenebit tu namdvil sheuracqopis gamo rom aket ikit daipanton monacileni?
mitumets am shemtxvevashi, roca saubris da msjelobis tema chven ki ara
sakartveloa.
rogorc kidev ertxel mtkicdeba, am jgupis monacileni jalian carb zuradgebas
akceven sakutari pirovnebis girsebis dacvas, sazogado sakmisda sazianod.
gasakviria rom sakartveloshi ver xerxdeba shekruli politikuri mojraobis
shenarchuneba?
lev...@my-dejanews.com
na...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
vinaidan am cerilis avtorma sxva saxeli moacera, ar vici nana buxsianijes
vpasuxob tu ara, tumca amas didi mnishvneloba ar kavs.
gaccilebit upro mnishvnelovania is mosazreba romelic adre ukve gamochnda am
jgupshi da dges meordeba
> In article <73t1ge$7jv$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> lev...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > es []
> > organizacia cdilobs mosaxleobistvis tavisupali archevnebis cnebebis
> > ganmartebas.
> >
> xalxma dzalian kargad icis
> ra unda - yvelam icis, mat aravitari ganatleba da chkuis scavla ar schirdebat
> rom sikete siavisagan gnasxvavon, xalxs normaluri ekonomiuri situacia unda,
> aravis ar unda omi da shimshili.
es zogadi gancxadebebi uecvelad scoria da qoveli cocxali organizmis mier
tkivilis an an gacirvebis aridebis survils areklavs. aseve universaluri
adaminuri, da gindac cxoveluri, survilia shtamomavlobas codna gauziaro misive
sasargeblod. veraper damamcriebel an satakilos vinmesgan ramis scavlashi
ver vxedav, da verc am sitqvebis avtorma unda dainaxos, tuki igi skolashi or
celze meti mainc darcha rom sxvisgan rame escavla.
qvelas unda kargad cxovreba, magram tu xalxs is ar esmis rom populistebi
rogorc cesi mimzidveli arian magram ubedureba moakvt, umetesoba mat daucers
mxars. es mravaljer moxda msoplioshi da sheijleba sakartveloishic
ganmeordes. Ra aris imashi cudi rom xalxi gaaprtxilo iap molaparakeebs
moeridon? anda, tu es damamcireblad chans, ims ra ushavs rom xalxs
sarchevno procedurebi ascavlo rom, tu surt, avantiurist adamianebi airchion?
chven mankanis tarebis scavlas ar vukadrisobt da sanacvlot pirdapir ar
mivujdebit saces sxvata sazianod. mash ra udgas cin xalxistvis politikis
taktikis da strategiis anbanis scavlebas. gana datvuri samsaxuri ar ikneba
vinmes vutxrat kargia mocesrigebuli sazogadoeba rom ginda magram rom ar
dagamciro ar gascavli rogor miagcio am mizanso?
> komunisturi era radikalurad sheicvala
> da xalxi eiporiis gavlenit gavida archevnebze -
da imis gamo rom poliktikurad dauxvecavi iqo, iseti metauri airchia romelmac
kargad cnobili movlenebs sheucqo xeli. sxvata shoris, kveqnis pirveli
metauric imas izaxda me aravis sascavlebeli ar mcirs, qvelaperi vicio.
amis gamo mcodne xalxis ubralo rchevebsac ar daujera da sabralod daasrula
politikuri kariera da sicocxle.
Irakly
gamosarchevad
>uconda am xalxs eg saxeli. saertod getanxvebi rom eg sitqva
>damamcirebelia da tavad vcdilob ar vixmaro. amave dros, tvit am xalxis
>momkmedeba mibijgebs im daskvnisaken rom mat erti pirvnebis garda
>araperi ar akvt sabrjolveli
rogor sheidzleba ibrdzolo micvalebulistvis? ertmhrivad nu ukurebt amas. me
adrec mitkvia da erthelac gavimeoreb: arsebobs kanonebi romelic unda
davicvat tu gvinda normalur, demokratiul kvekanashi vichovrot. demokratia
nishnavs halhis helisublebas. halhi irchevs helmdzgvanelobas(prezidenti,
parlamenti da a.sh.).es helisubleba isev am halhma unda gadairchios
ramdenime clis mere. tu es cesi irgveva(ar aris mnishvneloba vin aris
prezidenti), mashin morcha demokratia da ickeba haosi. am shemthvevashi
ginda ruzvelti chamoikvane kvekanashi ginda washingtoni cesrigs ver
daamkareb. imitom rom arsebobs bevri halhi romelnic grdznoben tavs
sheuratkoplad. halhis archevani behebze daikides da zed gadauvares kidevac.
amitom am kalebis sakcieli aris NORMALURI. gijebi ar arian. ubralod am
formit demokratiulad achadeben protests. iarags hom ar isvrian? pirikit
itmenen xelketebis dartkmas.
ase rom sabrdzolveli akvt da ibrdzvian erti ramis gamo - KANONI.
shegidzliat nebismieri iarliki damkidot(zviadisti, provinciali, teroristi),
amas ara akvs mnishvneloba, magram imas rac shevardnadzem chaidina chemtvis
gamartleba ara akvs. tu undoda magas da magis halhs sakartvelos
"gadarchena" chamosuliko da archevnebshi miego monacileoba(an 1991 an
shemdegshi). unda ecada kvelanairi mshvidobiani gza, magram shva gzas
helisuplebashi kommunisti ar airchevs. an intriga an gadatrialeba.
msoplioshi icvleba situacia da imedi makvs rom kovelive putchisti da
diktatori daisjeba rodisme. Pinochetis magaliti amas amtkicebs.
Irakly
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> ufleba aravis ar miucia. me mgoni Besiks sxvaze meti
>
> dro aqvs da tavisufal dros dimitri jadoqris cerilebis
>
> gauqmebit ertoba. sxva mikerdzoeba magistvis jer ar
>
> shemimchnevia:-)
>
> samagierod zog-zogiertebs moeconat idea da Besiktan
>
> peticiebs ceren, mavanis da mavanis cinaagmdeg zomebi
>
> miigeo. imedia Besiks jer ar carmoudgenia tavi am
>
> jgufis direqtorad (an prefeqtad, rogorc im zogiertebs
>
> gaexardebodat), torem male albat qrtamsac shestavazeben
>
> :-)
>
> DT
>
> PS. isev zogiertebis sakuradgebod: zamtris ardadegebze
>
> rom movicalo da mec davicko sxvisi cerilebis cashla,
>
> mere ra geshvelebat? cota daufiqrdit, sanam rames
>
> amoshaqravt xolme:-)
>
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chemtvis gaugebaria ragac.
besiki kvelas vinc jadokris mier tsamotskebul threadebs upasuxebda
tserils ubrunebda ukan. me es sakutar tavze gamovcade. radgan chemive
tserilebi momivida ukan.
rogorc mosalodneli iko mobezrda jadokars amdeni tserilebis ukan migeba
da dagvaneba tavi. tu martla rames shlidi besik isic gagvagebie. ak
kartulad midis laparaki da dasamali araferia.
garda amisa erti saintereso kitxva makvs, saidan icit tkven DT-v rom
vigac vigaceebma ragac peticiebi gaugzavnes besiks? ra xdeba ak saertod?
vinmem Cc gamogigzavnat, tu rashia sakme?
ase xalxis zurgs ukan arc tserilebis tsashlaa sakadrisi sakcieli da arc
choraoba.
an besiki choraobs an tkven gakvt ragac metodi gamodzebnili rata misi
mail-boxi gaxsnat... ar vici aseti rameebi da gulaxdilad vitkodi arc
mainteresebs.
me ng-shi aravitari peticia ar daminaxavs, ase rom tu aset rames adgili
hkonda avtors rogorc schans ar surda rom gamoecxadebina.
eseigi makvs ori shekitxva.
1) besik martla tsashale jadokris tserilebi? tu tavi moabezre da imitom
dagvaneba tavi.
2) saidan gaigo dt-m peticiebis arseboba?
madlobt
nana
Nana Bukhsianidze
> saertod, chemze gabrazebul xalxs minda vtxovo -
>
> civi ckali daliet da mere chems cerilebs gadaxedet.
es me ar mexeba... amitom chems mimart gamogzavnil tserilshsi cota
zedmetad mechveneba. tumca mesmis albat dagezara axali tserilis
gashanshaleba gabrazebuli xalxis mimartulebit.
iraklis tsarili ar tsamikitxavs da amitomac veraferi ver gavige roca
tavi dasde gindat tu ara peticiebs ugzavniano besikso...
vifikre rom saocrad gatsaful computer bugebtan makvs sakme romlebic
ertmanetis mail boxebsac ki amotsmeben.
axla tu saertod vinmeze var gabrazebuli es mxolod erti rusi avtoria
romelic didrusul shxams antxevs chvens newsgroupshi.
nana
Reno Siradze
Nana Bukhsianidze wrote:
>
> ise baton renos minda vkitxo:
> ase agresiulad rom laparakobt,
nana, chemi agresiulob gagikvirda?! es agresiuloba ra mosatania mati avtomatebis
kakantan?!
>
>
>
> survili gakvt rom vinmem normaluri pasuxi
> gagcet, tu pasuxi tkventvis mnishvnelovani araa?
aki gitxarit mattan laparakis da kamatis dro amoicuratko! mattan prokurori
ilaparakebs!!!
> saidan icit rom DT-s
> tanamdeboba ekutvnis da xels itbobs xalxis ubedurebaze? an ra icit rom
> igi mokalaketa kavshiris tsevria? tkva sadme? an saidan icit rom man
> dagvamxo kvekana tavze? tu es zogadi laparakia da faktebs ar emkareba,
> mashin ase gamodis rom turme erti natsili erisa meore natsils amxobs
> tavze kvakanas, magram ai dro mova da is pirveli natsili daamxobs tavze
> kvekanas meore natsils. ra mshvenieri suratia. aravin aravis kvekanas
> tavze ar amxobs, es chveni eris gaxlechiloba da ertmanettan laparakis
> unaris dakargvaa rac chven gvachanagebs.
nana, genacvale, ra vqna?! - gumanita vgrdznob vistanaca maqvs saqme.
romeli erti naxevari da meore naxevari?! imas rasac tkven naxevars edzaxit- erti
mucha uzurpatorebia. tanac araqartvelebi!
>
> anu, rac ar unda mtsare ikos faktia rom tkveni poziciis
> motsinaagmdegenic kartvelebi arian da kvelas erti samshoblo akvt. axla
> ra vknat ar mivigot ertmaneti? fakts sad gavekcevit?
nana, zemotac vtkvi da kidev ertxel gipasuxeb: ar arian egeni qatvelebi, ARA!(mat
geneologias unda gadaxedot)
>
> es saertod dzalian saxifato temaa da danagmul mindorze sairusl gavs,
> magram mainc unda avgnishno, rom sakartveloshi am mimartulebit didi
> sisuleleebi xdeba. ai avigot tundac 9 aprili.
nana, getkoba shentvis cnobili ar aris is, rac mteli qveknistvis didi xania ukve
cnobilia: 9 aprilis sixlis gvris ert-erti motave moq. shevardnadze iko! 9 aprilis
gmiri, usinatlo qalebi ki, vagzlis moednis metroshi matxovroben dges!
>
> ak laparakia ara zviadze da eduardze, ara shenze da chemze aramed
> kvekanaze. rac levanma dzalian kargad tkva.
erti shenishvna: rodesac zviad gamsaxurdiazea laparaki, iq shevardnadzis gvaris
xsenebac ki, mkrexelobaa!!!
lev...@my-dejanews.com
"Irakly" <ira...@online.ru> wrote:
> > Levanma tkva gamsaxurdias momxreebze:
> > amave dros, tvit am xalxis
> >momkmedeba mibijgebs im daskvnisaken rom mat erti pirvnebis garda
> >araperi ar akvt sabrjolveli
>
> rogor sheidzleba ibrdzolo micvalebulistvis?
iraqkly shen carmoidgine sanam chemi qurit ar movismine zogierti
tavgadadebuli gamsaxurdias momxre rogor msjelobs rom sheijleba igi mkvdaric
ki araa da shejleba tavis dros gamochndes kidec, ar vujerebdi msgav xmebs.
erti mxriv es samcuxaroa, radgan es imas mianishnebs rom sakartveloshi
imdenad sasocarkvetilia xalxi (didi nacili mains) rom zgaprebs igonebs
(imedia, kristianobis pirvel clebtan msgavsebas advilad xedav) meores
mxriv es patki sagangashoa radgan es xaxli sinamdvilestan tvalis
gascorebis nacvlad ocnebebshi arsebobs. gaxsovdes rom sinamdvile mosaconi ar
unda iqos, ubralod scorad unda sheapaso igi da ganxorcielebadi gegema unad
sheimushao mis shesacvlelad. sxvagvarad, loti adamianivit iknebi gvinit
rom cdilobs tkivilis chaxshobas.
> adrec mitkvia da erthelac gavimeoreb: arsebobs kanonebi romelic unda
> davicvat tu gvinda normalur, demokratiul kvekanashi vichovrot. demokratia
> nishnavs halhis helisublebas. halhi irchevs helmdzgvanelobas(prezidenti,
> parlamenti da a.sh.).es helisubleba isev am halhma unda gadairchios
> ramdenime clis mere.
zogadad getanxmebi, magram mgoni shenc calsaxad agikvam am sakitxs. da
tkma ar unda rom gamsaxurdiam calsaxad agikva eg cneba. adaminai da misi
kanonebi arc titaniumivit mqari unda iqos da arc minasavit mqipe, imitom
rom carmoudgenlad gaartulebs qopas. roca vinmes virchevt, imas ar nishnavs
rom vadis gasvlamde gulxeldakrepili unda vijdet da davanebot tavisi
sibriqvit an boroti ganzraxvit tavze dagvangrios momavali. shegaxseneb
somxetis prezidentis magalits, romelsac ckua eqo da carbi jalis cin gverdze
gadadga rom kveqanashi simshviide sheenarchunebia. ra tkma unda mas
sheejlo eqvira archeuli metauri var da vadis gasvlamde pexsac ar gavadgamo,
mitumetes rom aranairi codva ar konda chadenili. magram adamaini imit
gansxavdeba kompiuterisgan rom gumani gaachnia da iqenebs. meore magaliti tu
ginda, carmoidgine diplomatiuri xelsheuxeblobiani adamini rom shemogivardes
saxlshi ojaxis cevrebi dagixocos da mare ena gamogicios, xelsheuxebloba
makvs, toitsqc ver damakarebo. rava, neba sheniao etqvi?
demokratiul garemoze tu vlaparakobt isic unda avgnishnot rom vis-vis da
gamsaxurdias namdvilad ar gaachnda amis natamali. magi ki ara civillizebuli
politikuri kcevis anbanic ar icoda. amastan, kartveli
amomrchevlebi jer kidev shors arain demokratiuli sazogadoebis sruli
gatavisebisagan.
> imitom rom arsebobs bevri halhi romelnic grdznoben tavs
> sheuratkoplad. halhis archevani behebze daikides da zed gadauvares kidevac.
> amitom am kalebis sakcieli aris NORMALURI.
irakli, am adamianta _grjnobbebia_ mosalodneli da gasagebi, mati sakcieli
ki diaxac rom araa normaluri. mati sakcieli mamalis mier qivilit soplis
shenebas upro gavs radgan usasrulo svlebis da gancxadebebis garda arapers
aketeben. tandatan mati sakcieli cirkis sanaxaobas upro emsgavseba imitom
rom damkvirvebeli arsebits verapers xedavs mats kmedebebshi.
> tu undoda magas da magis halhs sakartvelos
> "gadarchena" chamosuliko da archevnebshi miego monacileoba(an 1991 an
> shemdegshi). unda ecada kvelanairi mshvidobiani gza,
'unda' ar itvleba irakli. chatvale rom momxdari sinamdvilea da imaze ipikre
rogor miudge mas. amastan ikneb erti ram amixsna, tu dgevandeli mtavroba
cqalcagebulia da xalxis motxovna pexebze kidia, magram amave dros mattan
sabrjolvelad, shenive tkmit, 'iarags hom ar isvrian?', ratom gonia
gamsaxurdias zigoert momxres rom kuchashi svlis da 'shercxvenit' moxerxdeba
mati morjuleba? sadaa ak logika?
Irakly
>tkma ar unda rom gamsaxurdiam calsaxad agikva eg cneba. adaminai da misi
>kanonebi arc titaniumivit mqari unda iqos da arc minasavit mqipe, imitom
>rom carmoudgenlad gaartulebs qopas. roca vinmes virchevt, imas ar
nishnavs
>rom vadis gasvlamde gulxeldakrepili unda vijdet da davanebot tavisi
>sibriqvit an boroti ganzraxvit tavze dagvangrios momavali.
ukanonoba upro artulebs qopas. kanonis shecvla kanonierat sheidzleba. tu
gulxeldakrepili ar unda vijdet mashin Eliava gmiri kopila. tu es cesi ar
exeba konkretulad shevardnadzes? rogor unda gaarkvios halhma visi motbena
kidev sheidzleba da vin unda "daibridos"?
>somxetis prezidentis magalits, romelsac ckua eqo da carbi jalis cin
gverdze
>gadadga rom kveqanashi simshviide sheenarchunebia. ra tkma unda mas
>sheejlo eqvira archeuli metauri var da vadis gasvlamde pexsac ar
gavadgamo,
>mitumetes rom aranairi codva ar konda chadenili.
ucodveli marto Hristea. sainteresoa Elcins da Gorbachevs ra unda eknat
19.8.1990-shi? ratom ar dautmes mshvidobianat GKChP-es? shvata shoris
shevardnadzec gamovida mitingze (roca kvelaperi morcha) da dauchira mhari
prezidents: diktatura ne proideto idzahda.
> magram adamaini imit
>gansxavdeba kompiuterisgan rom gumani gaachnia da iqenebs. meore magaliti
tu
>ginda, carmoidgine diplomatiuri xelsheuxeblobiani adamini rom
shemogivardes
>saxlshi ojaxis cevrebi dagixocos da mare ena gamogicios, xelsheuxebloba
>makvs, toitsqc ver damakarebo. rava, neba sheniao etqvi?
kanonis mihedvit ar unda daekaro magram am shemthvevashi mkvlels
xelsheuxebloba ar ushvelis. ogont amis mere sasamartlo mainc unda ikos da
diplomatis mkvleli unda gasamartldes. sasamartlo chatvlis afektis faktors da
nakleb dasasjels miscems an saertot ar dasjis. me mgoni cesit ese unda ikos.
amiti gamoiricheba usamartloba.
>demokratiul garemoze tu vlaparakobt isic unda avgnishnot rom vis-vis da
>gamsaxurdias namdvilad ar gaachnda amis natamali. magi ki ara
civillizebuli
>politikuri kcevis anbanic ar icoda.
ras nishnavs "civilizebuli politikuri kcevis anbani"? tu sheidzleba
magaliti moikvanet. uketesi ikneba shevardnadzis civilizebuli kcevis
gamokenebis magaliti. icoda es anbani ioseliani Shveicariashi rom gagzavna
abhazetis bedis gadasatkvetad ?
>'unda' ar itvleba irakli. chatvale rom momxdari sinamdvilea da imaze
ipikre
>rogor miudge mas. amastan ikneb erti ram amixsna, tu dgevandeli mtavroba
>cqalcagebulia da xalxis motxovna pexebze kidia, magram amave dros mattan
>sabrjolvelad, shenive tkmit, 'iarags hom ar isvrian?', ratom gonia
>gamsaxurdias zigoert momxres rom kuchashi svlis da 'shercxvenit'
moxerxdeba
>mati morjuleba? sadaa ak logika?
>levani
sad aris logika imashi rom ert shemthvevashi unda sheurigde momxdars da
meore shemthvevashi ar unda ijde gulxeldakrepili da gamoikeno kvela
sashvaleba(magalitad rusetis tankebi da floti)? da ra sachiroa saertot
xelketit morjuleba tu aravis ar esvrian da saertot uperspektivoa kuchebshi
svlebi?
Irakly
Irakly
Irakly
Bodishi rom latinur shripts vhmarob, magram ra vkna veraprit ver gamovikene
tkveni shriptebi.
>aki gitxarit mattan laparakis da kamatis dro amoicuratko! mattan prokurori
>ilaparakebs!!!
Albat amashi martali brdzandebit da me tkuilat vkargav dros roca vcdilob
civilizeburat velaparako. Chemtvis ubralod sainteresoa rogor sheasruleben
movaleobas da mipasuheben zogiert elementalur kithvebze. Shevardnadzis
sakcielis gamartlebas mainc didi demagogiis nichi unda.
Samcuharot dges internetshi gasvlis sashvaleba upro aset halhs akvt.
Pativiscemit Irakli Mirianashvili
lev...@my-dejanews.com
"Irakly" <ira...@online.ru> wrote:
> ukanonoba upro artulebs qopas. kanonis shecvla kanonierat sheidzleba.
orivejer martali xar irakli. samcuxarod, ar var darcmunebuli rom mzad xar am
idealis gulisatvis daivicqo erti ukanonoba da supta dapidan sheudge shenive
natkvamis ganxorcielebas. tu gautaveblad vixsenet rom gamsakhurdia mtavroba
ukanonod daamxes da amjamindeli mtavrobac dasamxobia, verasdros ver
mivalt kanonierebis dasamqarebel certilamde.
> tu gulxeldakrepili ar unda vijdet mashin Eliava gmiri kopila. tu es cesi ar
> exeba konkretulad shevardnadzes? rogor unda gaarkvios halhma visi motbena
> kidev sheidzleba da vin unda "daibridos"?
shen ar gsurs dainaxo rom shevardnajesa da ioselian kitovnebs shoris
gansxvavebaa, amis gamo am temaze laparaks azri ar kavs
> sainteresoa Elcins da Gorbachevs ra unda eknat
> 19.8.1990-shi? ratom ar dautmes mshvidobianat GKChP-es?
dasatmobi araperi iqo radgan samxedroebi tavad chaplavdnen. ai
sakartveloshi 1921 cels rom aujanqdnen carb jalas, sahineli sisxlisgvra
moimkes da mizans ra tkma unda ver miagcies.
> >carmoidgine diplomatiuri xelsheuxeblobiani adamini rom
> >shemogivardes saxlshi ojaxis cevrebi dagixocos da mare ena gamogicios, > > >
>xelsheuxebloba makvs, toitsqc ver damakarebo. rava, neba sheniao etqvi?
>
> kanonis mihedvit ar unda daekaro magram am shemthvevashi mkvlels
> xelsheuxebloba ar ushvelis. ogont amis mere sasamartlo mainc unda ikos da
> diplomatis mkvleli unda gasamartldes. sasamartlo chatvlis afektis faktors da
> nakleb dasasjels miscems an saertot ar dasjis. me mgoni cesit ese unda ikos.
> amiti gamoiricheba usamartloba.
netavi martali iqo da qvelaperi ase martivad iqos. magram modi upro
dacvrilebit gavarchiot es shemtxveva.
> kanonis mihedvit ar unda daekaro magram am shemthvevashi mkvlels
> xelsheuxebloba ar ushvelis.
romeli kanonis mixedvit? xelsheuxeblobis?
diplomatiuri xelsheuxebloba aranair shemtxvevashi ar vrceldeba sisxlis
samartlis danashaulze da mitumetes ganzrax mkvelobaze. arcerti kveqana ar
daicavs _mkvlels_.
>am shemthvevashi mkvlels xelsheuxebloba ar ushvelis.
imitom rom ojaxis cevri tavdamsxmis mogeriebisas moklavs mas?
>ogont amis mere sasamartlo mainc unda ikos da
> diplomatis mkvleli unda gasamartldes.
irakli tu diplomati tavdasxmis dros, mogeriebisas ikna mokluli, mashin
araniri _sasamartlo_ ar shedgeba radgan gamojieba daadgens rom diplomatis
mkvleloba tavdacvis miznit moxda rac saqoveltaod michneulia kanonier
kmedebad. tuki gamojiebam uecvelad ver daadgina es da sakme sasamartlomde
mivida, apektis moshvelieba araa momgebiani gamamartlebeli mizezi ragdan
apekti gonebis dabnelebas miutitebs magram pasuxismgeblobisgan ar
antavisuplebs adamians. sulierad daavadebulsac ki saavadmqoposhi agzavnian
raime zianis gamocvevis gamo. ak ki pirikit is unda damtkicdes rom ojaxis
cevrma saprtxis acilebis miznit gaauvnebla momxduri diplomati ramac
ukanasknelis sikvdili gamoicvia.
>sasamartlo chatvlis afektis faktors da nakleb dasasjels miscems an saertot ar
dasjis.
vtkvat sheni mosisxle mteri dainaxe, gacopdi, cemit mokali da mere
sasamartloze tkvi apektshi viqavi da cota momisajeto, ar ivargebs, scored
imitom rom apektshi iqavi da sakutar grjnobebi ve motoke. apekti rom
shemamsubukebeli garemoeba iqos, mashin sruli domxali ikneboda
sazogadoebashi. gaixsene getaqva rom nasvami mjgoloba damajimebeli
garemoebaa da mosamartles rom utxra e bico, mtvrali viqavi da ver devinaze ai
bavshvebis jgupi da imitom gadavuareo, viris abano garantirebuli gekneba.
> ras nishnavs "civilizebuli politikuri kcevis anbani"? tu sheidzleba
> magaliti moikvanet. uketesi ikneba shevardnadzis civilizebuli kcevis
> gamokenebis magaliti. icoda es anbani ioseliani Shveicariashi rom gagzavna
> abhazetis bedis gadasatkvetad ?
irakli, sisxlis samarlis kanonis sheneuli gagebis danaxvis mere ar mikvirs
rom rom akamde ver sheamchnie ZG da ESh shoris romels upro konda aseti
kceva. amitom magaliteb mogiqvan: odesme ginaxavs gamsaxurdias cqnarad,
qvirilis,xelebis knevis gareshe esaubra meurneobaze, politikaze, kveqnis
martvaze. an rom shetkmulebebis kseli ar moeksova, an tavisi mokishpeebis da
mtrebisatvis saxelebi ar ecodebian da ar daelanjga? meores mxriv Shevi tu
ginaxavs odesme aset mdgomareobashi? es imas ar nishnavs rom mas aseti
azrebi ar akvs. ubralod kargad icis rom tu rogor carmoachen shens azrebs
ganapirobebs tu rogor agikvamen garshemo.
>icoda es anbani ioseliani Shveicariashi rom gagzavna abhazetis bedis
>gadasatkvetad ?
kvlavac ver axerxeb arsis danaxvas. es magaliti mis politikur gonierebaze
upro mokmedebs vidre mis civilizebulobaze, maram tanabrad vargisiania.
shevim kargad icoda rom sanam eg najirala jalauplebas plobda da aulagmavad
datareshobda, mistvis gundrukis kmeva jobda mastan sherkinebas. ratom?
imitom rom roca susti xar xerxi jobia gonesa tu kaci moiginebsa.
ai scored amis cneba ar konda zviads da imitom iqo egona sitqvebit
davamarcxeb mterso.
> sad aris logika imashi rom ert shemthvevashi unda sheurigde momxdars da
> meore shemthvevashi ar unda ijde gulxeldakrepili da gamoikeno kvela
> sashvaleba
irakli me ar mitkvams _qvela_ sashualeba unda gamoiqeno aramed,
gulxeldakrepili ar unda ijde metki. mat shoris didi sxvaobaa. da me megona
shen rom tkvi iarags xom ar esvriano, jaladobis mocinaagmdege iqavi.
kidev gavimeoreb rom sheijleba ar sheurigde momxdars da usasrulod ecado
shuri ijio, vis vis da kartvelebs magi ar escavlebat. ise ki shurisjiebis
shedegis magalitistvis sakartvelos mtianets gadaxede da jajit shemosil
kalebs kitxe jobda tu ara mati kacebi sherigebodnen mezoblis mier cqenas.
ai esaa logika romlis mixedvitac vmokmedeb da romelic vatqob shen ver
migigia, imedia jer-jerobit.
> da ra sachiroa saertot xelketit morjuleba tu aravis ar esvrian da saertot >
uperspektivoa kuchebshi svlebi?
vuertdebi am kitxvas, samcuxarod zust pasuxs ver gagcem radgan me sakartvelos
mtavrobis an policiis cevri ar var. chemi varaudit mati sisastike imitaa
gamocveuli rom ara-mimteveblur sazogadoebashi cxovroben, sadac gansxvavebuli
azris kona gind politikashi, gind sarcmunoebashi, gind carsulze, gind
pirovnebaze titkmis danashauls udris.
mokitxvit
Reno Siradze
Irakly wrote:
gamarjoba irakli,
eeex... ra vqna, saertod ar mindoda matvis mepasuxa, magram eshmakma
macduna... phui eshmaks!!!irakli, kidev ertxel vcadot fontis dakeneba . tu
shesadzleblloba gaqvs IRC shi mushaobisa, mashin dalnetis romelime serverit
shemodi, magalitad - "spider.ca.us.dal.net", xolo arxi - #ushba.
realur droshi shegvidzlia visaubrod da iqve dagayenebieb qartuls!
tu ara gaqvs shesadzlebloba, mashin mitxari ra dros ginda (romeli saatidan)
rom chems komputerze shemogishva da pirdapir gagaketebieb dawnloads!
me mgoni ukve dadga dro qartuli, qartulad vcerod da ara kizilbashurad:)
pativiscemit reno siradze
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Irakly
am
>idealis gulisatvis daivicqo erti ukanonoba da supta dapidan sheudge
shenive
>natkvamis ganxorcielebas. tu gautaveblad vixsenet rom gamsakhurdia
mtavroba
>ukanonod daamxes da amjamindeli mtavrobac dasamxobia, verasdros ver
>mivalt kanonierebis dasamqarebel certilamde.
ukanonobis davitkeba rogor sheidzleba? "ukanonoba" marto sitkva hom ar aris.
es aris mokluli halhi, dangreuli kvekana da a.s. supta dapashi ras
gulishmob? amjamindeli mtavroba dasamhobia, magram mshvidobianat. me imedi
makvs rom es male mohdeba. da sachiro ikneba aucileblat chveni "nurnbergis
processi"(sasamartlo processi da ara shurisdzieba).
>> kanonis mihedvit ar unda daekaro magram am shemthvevashi mkvlels
>> xelsheuxebloba ar ushvelis.
>
>romeli kanonis mixedvit? xelsheuxeblobis?
>imitom rom ojaxis cevri tavdamsxmis mogeriebisas moklavs mas?
zustad amitom. me am sakithshi ver shegakamatebi. ert rameshi me mgoni
dametanhmebi rom rac ar unda mohdes unda gairchios da scored shepasdes.
>odesme ginaxavs gamsaxurdias cqnarad,
>qvirilis,xelebis knevis gareshe esaubra meurneobaze, politikaze, kveqnis
>martvaze. an rom shetkmulebebis kseli ar moeksova, an tavisi mokishpeebis
da
>mtrebisatvis saxelebi ar ecodebian da ar daelanjga?
me ar vamtkiceb rom rogorc politikosi geniosi iko. pirvel rigshi iko
adamiani. kvela adamians akvs naklisi. amashi ar aris sakme. polonetis
prezidenti valensa iko elektriki, litvas prezidenti landsbergisi iko
musikosi, gavelic ar iko arasodes didi diplomati. landsbergisi ar vici
magram valensa iknevda helebs. magram am kveknebshi zogiert halhs gone eko
da civilizeburat shecvales mtavroba. me marto amis momhre var da ara calke
pirovnebis. ar gegonot rom me ver vitan marto shevis. me saertod ver vitan
im komunistur-mafiozur sistemas romelic sheikmna sakartveloshi.
ekonomika dangreulia. normaluri carmoeba ar arsebobs. laris kursi
helovnuria.
sakartveloa rusetis patara modeli. sul "pokazuhaa". naftsadenit atkueben
halhs. vtkvat gavida es nafti. pasebi kovel cels vardeba amitom sheidzleba
am proektis interesi saertod daikargos. 30 clis mere roca nafti amoicureba
ras vizamt? tranzitis pulis imedi nu gakvt. umetesoba dajdeba zogiert
mafiozur klanebis shveicariis angarishebze. amashi echvi ar shegeparot.
> meores mxriv Shevi tu
>ginaxavs odesme aset mdgomareobashi? es imas ar nishnavs rom mas aseti
>azrebi ar akvs. ubralod kargad icis rom tu rogor carmoachen shens azrebs
>ganapirobebs tu rogor agikvamen garshemo.
intrigebshi magaria. amas ver caartmev. magram sakartvelos amiti ra?
>>icoda es anbani ioseliani Shveicariashi rom gagzavna abhazetis bedis
>>gadasatkvetad ?
>
> kvlavac ver axerxeb arsis danaxvas. es magaliti mis politikur
gonierebaze
>upro mokmedebs vidre mis civilizebulobaze, maram tanabrad vargisiania.
>shevim kargad icoda rom sanam eg najirala jalauplebas plobda da aulagmavad
>datareshobda, mistvis gundrukis kmeva jobda mastan sherkinebas. ratom?
>imitom rom roca susti xar xerxi jobia gonesa tu kaci moiginebsa.
kargi - moashora jalauplebidan.kitovanic moashora da zogierti
shvac.sakartvelos amiti ra? abhazeti ar daikarga? ra iko mtavari interesi
shveicariashi, sakartvelos mtlianobis sakithi tu ioselianis moshoreba?
Irakly
Irakly
ori babua damihvrita KGB-m. erti 1924 celshi da meore 1938 celshi.
amitom ver vitan "iverielebs".
Irakly
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lev...@my-dejanews.com
dt1...@email.com (Supernews User) wrote:
> ah, ar shecde, reno, ar daujero!
apaaappapaaa paa, ar gadevirie kaci magi rom tkva renom.
baababoo boo varaloo lale jan tiko tiko... karg xasiatze unda qopiliqo reno
torem ase advilad rogor ganizraxa tavisi kompiuteris gul-boqvis gaxsna!
(uh, ikneb gul-boqvis nacvlad renoseulad "baqvis gadaxsna" unda mexmara, an
kidev uketesi, "dundulebis gaceva" "nipxavis chajroba" rogor zgers?
bah buh baaa beee beee
bee beee beee
lev...@my-dejanews.com
"Irakly" <ira...@online.ru> wrote:
> >idealis gulisatvis daivicqo erti ukanonoba da supta dapidan sheudge [...]
>
> ukanonobis davitkeba rogor sheidzleba?
bodishi batono, davicqebis nacvlad sheijleba patieba upro upriani qopiliqo.
magram umtavresi isaa rom usasrulod tu ipikre axali mtavroba dasamxobia
da gasasamartelebeliao, verasdros ver damqardeba simshvide. gana ase rtuli
shesagnebia es?
> amjamindeli mtavroba dasamhobia, magram mshvidobianat.
ak prazeologiur shecdomas ushveb. archevnebit _gadarcheva_ aris shesajlebeli
rac sasurvelicaa. damxoba jalis gamoqenebas itvaliscinebs da amis gamo
audgiloa. tu archevnebis gzit mtavrobis shecvlas cdilob, es misasalmebelia,
radgan shens mier civilizebuli politikuri procesis migebas mianishnebs. erts
ki shegaxseneb rom archevnebistvis politikuri mushaobaa saciro da ara
kuchashi gauatavebeli siaruli. archevnebshi gamarjvebis shemdeg ki kveqnis
martvis gegmaa aucilebli rom saxelmcipo umartav gems ar daemsgavsos. esec
kuchashi svlit da qvelaperi kargad iknebas ajxilit ar xdeba samcuxarod.
> >imitom rom ojaxis cevri tavdamsxmis mogeriebisas moklavs mas?
>
> zustad amitom. me am sakithshi ver shegakamatebi. ert rameshi me mgoni
> dametanhmebi rom rac ar unda mohdes unda gairchios da scored shepasdes.
irakli, shekakamtebis nu geshinia, upro sashishi isaa roca ramis siscoreshi
darcmunebuli ar xar da kargad dapikrebis gareshe gamogakvs daskvnebi.
getanxmebi rom momxdaris garkvevis miznit gamojieba unda shedges, magram
gaxsovdes rom miukerjvebeli gamojieba qoveltvis sasurvel shedegs ar moitans,
e.i. shen rom damnasheved ggonia, is adamiani sheijleba idanashaulo
agmochndes.
> me ar vamtkiceb rom rogorc politikosi geniosi iko. pirvel rigshi iko adamiani.
magram gana politikuri tanamdeboba araa mtavrobashi, da mitumetes, kveqnis
metaurad qopna?????????!!!!!!!!!!!
> prezidenti valensa iko elektriki, [..]valensa iknevda helebs. magram am
>kveknebshi zogiert halhs gone eko da civilizeburat shecvales mtavroba.
jalian kargi rom valensa axsene. mec xshirad momiqvania misi magaraliti
renosa da ailastvis, tumca ushedegod. ikneb shen dametanxmo rom misi
adamianebtan urtiertobis uunaroba da kedmagloba imdenad gamagizianebeli
gaxda garshemo mqoptattvis rom samarcxvinod chamoagdes mcvervalidan.
getanxmebi rom polonelebs axradac ar moividat misi damxoba. amave dros tavad
valensac ar iqo gamsaxurdias doneze autaneli.
getqvi vin iqo zviadis doneze dacentrili, ekvadoris prezidenti abdala
bukarami, romelic imdenad autaneli gaxda rom parlamentma tanamdebobidan
gadaaqena. magram abdalasac eqo ckua da roca dainaxa mtavroba da
sheiaragebuli jalebis umetesoba mis cinaagmdeg iqo, agar ganaxorciela mukara
da samxedro brjola ar daicqo, beds sheurigda.
> ekonomika dangreulia. normaluri carmoeba ar arsebobs. laris kursi helovnuria.
me tu mkitxav, am mtavrobis majageblebs iseti sameurneo gegmebi akvt tom
dgevandeli mdgomareoba sheijleba samotxed mogechvenos.
> 30 clis mere roca nafti amoicureba ras vizamt?
5 miliardi clis shemdeg mzis sistema da dedamica saertod gakreba, amitom
davanebot tavi arsebobas? ranairi azrovbnebaa es?
> > Shevim kargad icis rom tu rogor carmoachen shens azrebs
> >ganapirobebs tu rogor agikvamen garshemo.
>
> intrigebshi magaria. amas ver caartmev. magram sakartvelos amiti ra?
irakli es intigaa ki araa, adaminuri urtiertobis sapujlvelia. tu qvelas
pirshi miaxale matze rasac pikrob, jalian rtuli ikneba cxovreba. aseve
camgebiania cxel gulze mokmedeba da mixznis misagcevad moukneloba.
> kargi - moashora jalauplebidan.kitovanic moashora da zogierti
> shvac.sakartvelos amiti ra? abhazeti ar daikarga?
ki magram abxazetis shenarchuneba marto garkveuli jgupis sakme xom araa.
rogor, cinandeli mtavroba moaxeerxebda _sheiaragebuli_ shetevis mogeriebas?
shesabamisi jala tu ar gakvs, rogor gaumklavdebi mters? samachablo aseve ar
daikarga paktiurad zviadis prezidentobis dros?
Reno Siradze
lev...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <M5e92.210$n4.663393@WReNphoon2>,
> dt1...@email.com (Supernews User) wrote:
>
> > ah, ar shecde, reno, ar daujero!
>
> apaaappapaaa paa, ar gadevirie kaci magi rom tkva renom.
>
> baababoo boo varaloo lale jan tiko tiko... karg xasiatze unda qopiliqo reno
> torem ase advilad rogor ganizraxa tavisi kompiuteris gul-boqvis gaxsna!
> (uh, ikneb gul-boqvis nacvlad renoseulad "baqvis gadaxsna" unda mexmara, an
> kidev uketesi, "dundulebis gaceva" "nipxavis chajroba" rogor zgers?
>
> bah buh baaa beee beee
>
> bee beee beee
>
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Ndaaa... es ukbve mdzime shemtxvevaaa:)))
kidev erxel vrcmundebi "ushvelebeli politikosis" mokvarulebis, anu
"edarastebis" sulier ubadrukobashi.
magari xar jigarrrrrrro, she nagdo tbiliselo!!! egre gaagrdzele, ogond ukan -
ukan ixede xolme, emand vinme ar camogeparos...:)))
efreitor
reno
GEGE
> ise ert rames vitkodi. modit am zviadizms da putchizms kartulad nu
> shevexebit, torem bevrma sheidzleba tavi ar motokos da atkdeba
> utsmatsuri landzgva-gineba. mitumetes rom bevri am sakitxit dakavebuli
>
> pirovneba dialogis survils da unars ar amjgavnebs. tumca es ar gexeba
> arc shen da arc iraklis.
> Dzvirpaso Nana,
Rogorc am group-is veterani (mkitkhveli) gacvdi cnobas ( rogorc
shedarebit axlaxans mosuls): Lanzgva-gineba zviadizmsa da mastan
dakavshirebul sakitxebis irgvliv am djgupis dzveli tradiciaa.Me
vitkodi, macocxlebeli ckaro. Sxva tipis discussia male kvdeba (zogdjer
"stumar -volshebnikebis" gadacharbebuli, groteskuli devnit tu gaertoba
xolme zogierti. Goimivit avardeba, rogorc chems dros itkodnen.
Pasuxis gacema-ki batono, magram : " amovkvetot! davuketot sainformacio
gru! Vichivlot Web-mastertan! etc." pirdapir sasaciloa, satireli rom ar
ikos. Aset gacecxlebashi ert kai tbilisel kacs, Davit Zlotchenkos
atkines guli da scored is amokvetes chveni netidan. eeh...)
Ert-ert umcvaves epizods 1996-is zapkhulshi hkonda adgili. Im droindel
mokamateta shoris iko b-ni Renoc (LK, Aila, etc- sxvata shoris sad
gakra eg cecxlovani fineli kalbatoni?). Amitomac nu gagikvirdeba
rodesac mas sakmaod "familiarulad" mimartaven (rogorc amascina cerilshi
iko).
Ise kargi ikneboda djgupis arkivis naxva. Vinmem tu icics, arsebos kidev
ftp arkivi? Ert dros mas djgupis damaarsebeli, Irene Gabashvili uvlida.
Ise sitkvam moitana, da saocaria rom tvit djgupis iniciatori, Irene
Gabashvili ,praktikulad arasodes ar gamosula sitkvit am forumshi.
Sainteresoa, tu adevnebs mainc tvals am group-s? Es ise,
liriul-istoriuli gadaxveva.
Ise siamovnebit vkitxulob Nanas gulcrpel cerilebs.
Gogi
RemarQ User
meubnebi, ramis xom ar geshinia? :-)
es "ushvelebeli politikosi" ras daixvie enaze, magis
qveda sacvalic xom ar gelandeba? sheni ubedureba scored
isaa, rom "ambrosichis" ginebis meti araferi gaqvs
satqmeli, tumca am jgufshi mag temaze aravin ar
gekamateba..
kidev ertxel, vai shens patrons, wolkswagen..
DT, ton cauchemar
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lev...@my-dejanews.com
GEGE <ge...@mail.dfh.dk> wrote:
> Dzvirpaso Nana,
>
> Pasuxis gacema-ki batono, magram : " amovkvetot! davuketot sainformacio
> gru! Vichivlot Web-mastertan! etc." pirdapir sasaciloa,
gogi,
ratom aris sasacilo an gasakicxi tavxedi da borotganzraxviani adamianis am
newsjgupidan gajeveba? ratom unda vitminot ubralo xalxma mis mier jgupis
danagvianeba? shenc gereva sitzvis tavisupleba da saubris chashlis survili
ertmaneshi?
> Davit Zlotchenkos atkines guli da scored is amokvetes chveni netidan.
daviti aravis ar amoukvetia jgupidan im ubralo mizezis gamo rom titkmis
arasdros umonacilia ak.
> Ert-ert umcvaves epizods 1996-is zapkhulshi hkonda adgili. Im droindel
> mokamateta shoris iko b-ni Renoc [..] Amitomac nu gagikvirdeba
> rodesac mas sakmaod "familiarulad" mimartaven
chems shesaxeb vitqvi rom renosadmi aranairi uarqopiti grjnoba ar mankvs.
mistvisvea uketesi tu besarion gigushvilis msgavsi bic-bucuri metqvelebidan
zrdilobian saubarze gadava. aucilebeli araa sheni uarqopiti azrebi binjuri
sitqvebit gadmoce.
renos ver davarcmuneb rom 'ederasti' an ieronimus bosxis naxatebis urchxuli
ar ar var, radgan misi politikuri kerpis msgavsad masac aklia sinamdvilis
shepasebis unari. ase rom gind ederastis natkvamad miichnios es, gind
masonis da gindac romis papis agentisa: tu magaze uketes metqvelebas ver
axerxeben qopili mtavrobis cevri da prezidentis evropashi carmomadgeneli,
ikneb mtlad uadgilo araa msazgvreli "provincieli".
levani
WebMaster
> Dzvirpaso Nana,
>
> Pasuxis gacema-ki batono, magram : " amovkvetot! davuketot sainformacio
> gru! Vichivlot Web-mastertan! etc." pirdapir sasaciloa,
=======================
B.S. - Gigi mogaxseneb rom es NG kvelastvisaa da me ar vapireb qartvelebis tserilebis gauqmebas. xshirad mets mlandzgaven, magram ras vizamt, slaparako xom unda ikves raimeze an vinmeze:)
==============================================
> Davit Zlotchenkos atkines guli da scored is amokvetes chveni netidan.
==================
B.S. - Daviti aravis ar gaudzevebia, tumtsa amas mnishvneloba ara aqvs rametu igi titqmis ar monatsileobda shvens saubrebshi. man me "jadoqris" shemokvana damabrala da ise tsavida, ase rom tavad mixvdi misi tsasvlis mizezs. grdznobebs ahkva da meti araferi.
=============================
Besiki
Irakly
>meubnebi, ramis xom ar geshinia? :-)
>es "ushvelebeli politikosi" ras daixvie enaze, magis
>qveda sacvalic xom ar gelandeba? sheni ubedureba scored
>isaa, rom "ambrosichis" ginebis meti araferi gaqvs
>satqmeli, tumca am jgufshi mag temaze aravin ar
>gekamateba..
>
>kidev ertxel, vai shens patrons, wolkswagen..
>
>DT, ton cauchemar
ert rameshi batoni reno 100% martalia. "abrosichebi" sul psevdonimebis ukan
imalebian. galandzgaven shvas da mere kithuloben "ramis hom ar geshinia"?
besiki scored aketebs rom arc ert cerils ar shlis. magram ert rames vthov
:vinc namdvili sahelis gareshe landzgavs sxvebs imastan zomebi miigos.
me mkvia Mirianashvili Irakly. chem sahels ar vmalav da amisi ar meshinia.
vcdilob aravin gavlandzgo (dzlivs vikaveb tavs).
da shen(an tkven ,ar vici sheidzleba chemze uprosi har(t)) vina har
"gvemo sacvalze" egre vashkacurad rom laparakob?
P.S ise psevdonimebis gareshe ar shegidzliat "ushveleblebo" (magalitat
shegivardnadze ) da sxvebsac ugonebt(wolksvageni,provinciali da a.sh...).
mec momigonet. da rodesac me movindomeb landzgvas am psevdonims siamuvnebit
gamovikeneb.
Irakly
Irakly
ushvelebelia aba ra aris. amis cin ukve davcere me rom laris kursi
helovnuria. kargi, vtkvat abhazetis da samachablos dakargva cinandeli
helisuplebis bralia.
mere ioselianebi da kitovanebi ushlidnen. ekonomika mainc sheekmna cota
normaluri. rogorc zurab jvaniam stkva 1997 cels amerikam daehmara
sakartvelos da misca $100 millioni.
sakartvelodan casulia daahloebit erti mollioni mokalake. absoluturi
umetesoba mushaobs da tavis ojahebs da natesavebs sakartveloshi archens.
daahloebit daitvalet ramdeni tanha shedis sakartveloshi am halhisgan. ra
tkma unda zustad veravin ver itkvis magram kovelivem rom $10 (me visac
vicnob moscovshi $200 naklebs krizisamde ar agzavniden) gagzavnos tveshi
gamodis $120 millioni celicadshi. dges roca rusetshi krizisia da
kartvelebi ver aketeben ukve am "investicias" laris kursi davarda.
me darcmunebuli var rom laris kursi amis gamo davarda magram es ar aris
mtavari mizezi. mtavari is aris rom "ushvelebel" mtavrobas ar ackobs
namdvili reformebi. jibes ureformotac iskeleben.
echvi ar mepareba rom umetesoba kreditebi ikurdeba imis magivrat rom
normalur ekonomikas shekmnaze cavides. magram shvata shoris 40000 policiels
archens "demokratiuli" mtavroba.es ar aris gasakviri: diktatorebs arasodes
ar ackobt rom mis kvekanashi ikos bevri mdidari(anu upro tavisupali).upro
advili kontrolia. romel kveknebs sheeho rusetis krizisi? pirvel rigshi
imgens sadac rusetis ekonomikikuri modelia archeuli
(mafiozur-komunisturi).magalitad belorusia. ra tkma unda es krizisi pirvel
rigshi ubralo halhistvisaa da ara imgenistvis chrdiloetidan mzis amosvlas
rom elodebian da dasavletidan ahal kreditebs.
kidev erthel, vai tkven "ushvelebel" patrons, DT
Irakly
lev...@my-dejanews.com
"Irakly" <ira...@online.ru> wrote:
>
> ekonomika mainc sheekmna cota normaluri.[]
irakli, aki 'ushvelebli' politikosi gmertis toli ar ariso? ras nishnavs
"sheekmna"? marto ert adaminazea damokidebuli meurneobis shekmna da mit
umetes xalxis azrovnebis gardakmna? ecade zviadis da eduardis
kuslismkocnelebs ar daemsgavso, romlebic ertmanets ajageben magram ertairad
agmertben sakutar kerpebs.
ras pikrob xalxze? rogor ggonia ramdenad mzadaa kartveli ari ceshamritad
kanonieri sabazro meurneobisatvis. ramdenia mzad shegavatebi da ioli gza ar
ejebos, ramdens surs begaris gadaxda (mahsinac ki begaris argaplangvis
garantia rom kondes)? jer kidev bevri sakitxia gadasacreli sanam metaurs
davdebt brals sakmis chaplavebashi.
>mtavari is aris rom "ushvelebel" mtavrobas ar ackobs namdvili reformebi. jibes
>ureformotac iskeleben.
martali xar. meres mxriv, gana gulcrpelad itqvi rom mrgval magidas an
socialistebs an mit umetes, populist leobiristul partias gaachnia sabazro
meurneobis shekmnis gegma an tundac survilic ki?
rad ginda xalxi motquvdes mati dapirebebit da mere uares uimedobas mieces?
lev...@my-dejanews.com
"WebMaster" <ekl...@socantel.net> wrote:
> B.S. - Gigi mogaxseneb rom es NG kvelastvisaa da me ar vapireb =
> qartvelebis tserilebis gauqmebas.
xalxno, moicat erti cutit! ris gaukmeba-argaukmbis dapirebaze
laparakobs besiki?! ikneb rame gamomrcha magram vin misca mas ase
mokcevis upleba? ra, es jgupi camqvaniani gaxda ucrad?
da tundac rom iqos camqvani besiki, ra azri akvs amas tu aravis cerilebs
ar gaaukmebs (quradgebas ar vamaxvileb mis ethnikur
mikerjoebulobaze, roca kartvelebs aparebs xels)?
Zach
>
> kuchashi saseirnot hom ar gamodian.es tu ar ici aris demonstracia. es >mtel msoplioshi migebuli protestis formaa. esec politikuri mushaobaa.
irakli, shen protestze laparakob, romelic chveulebriv vinmes
cinaagmdegaa mimartuli. politikuri mushoba ki xalxshi sheni azrebis
gavrcelebas nishnavs da momaval amomrrchevlebtan shexvedras da mattvis
samokmedo gegmis gacnobas gulisxmobs. am demonstrantebs misamrti
echlebat.
>> miukerjvebeli gamojieba qoveltvis sasurvel shedegs ar
>>moitans, e.i. shen rom damnasheved ggonia, is adamiani sheijleba >>idanashaulo agmochndes.
>
> me mgoni am gamojiebis shedegi shentvisac saintereso ikneba. hom ar > aris gamorichuli rom shen scdebi?
imdia es ritorikuli shekitxvaa radgan arc me, ar chen, ar petrem ar
vicit vcdebit tu ara. mxolod varaudi shegvijlia. xolo tu sheni kitxva
araritorikulia, mashin vigacis udanashaulobis prezumpcias ivicqeb, rac
metad shemashpotebelia.
> valensam kommunizmtan brdzolashi tavisi istoriuli missia sheasrula. >rogorc politikosma amiti polonets sikete moutana magram magisi dro >tamtavrda rodesac realuri ekonomiuri problemebi daitco.
irakli, misi problema komunisturi cqobis damxobistanave daicqo. rogorc
akaki bakrajem tkva gamsaxurdiaze, es xalxi chinebuli damangrevelia
magram uvargisi agmshenebeli.
verc valensam, verc gamsaxurdiam ver shejles mxedartmtavridan metaurad
gadakceuliqvnen. es tragedia araa, radgan qvelas garkveuli nici akvs.
tragedia isaa roca shes tavs gverdidan ver apaseb, sakutar
shesajleblobebs zgvars ver xedav da droze ar toveb asparezs, qvelas
sasargeblod.
> vin ambobs 5 millird cels da vin ambobs davanebot tavi arsebobas? me > vtkvi realuri 30 celi. mashin sheidzleba chvenc vikot cochlebi. ici >rogor emzadeba arabetis kveknebi im dros roca nafti amoicureba?
ki magram irakli, sikvdilis sheshit tavi vis mouklia? rogor shen
axsene, mzad unda iqo gardaubvalis moxdenisatvis magram arcert sparsetis
quris kveqanas jer ar utkvams, 50 celshi navti gakreba
amitom shevcqvitot misi amokachvao. ase rom moikcnen mashin ar im
techknologiuri gadamzadebistvis eknebat saxsrebi romelzec shen
mimitite.
da qvelapers rom tavi davanebot, shens shishs mashin ekneboda
sapujlveli sakartvelo rom ashenebdes am navtobsadens. sinamdvilshi ki
navtobsadeni sxvisi pulit shendeba da arc navtia kartuli. sakartvelo
misi gatarebit miigebs odnav shemosavals.
chemi gulcrpeli survili ikneboda rom sakartvelo mis dgevandel
mtavrobastan ar gaaigivo. es mtavroba, misi aptrebi da turebi, ert dros
agar ikneba. navtobsadenis dro ki dges-xvalaa. tu am mtavrobis jinit
dges eg shansi davkarget, bevri garshemo mqopi mxolod moxaruli ikneba
kartvelebis gautanlobisa da sibrivis.
levan kverenckiladze
RemarQ User
> sul psevdonimebis ukan imalebian. galandzgaven shvas
> da mere kithuloben "ramis hom ar geshinia"?
> besiki scored aketebs rom arc ert cerils ar shlis.
> magram ert rames vthov :vinc namdvili sahelis gareshe
> landzgavs sxvebs imastan zomebi miigos.
> me mkvia Mirianashvili Irakly. chem sahels ar vmalav
> da amisi ar meshinia.
> vcdilob aravin gavlandzgo (dzlivs vikaveb tavs).
> da shen(an tkven ,ar vici sheidzleba chemze uprosi
> har(t)) vina har "gvemo sacvalze" egre vashkacurad
> rom laparakob?
gamoamzhgavna. sxvata shoris, landzgva aq magan daicko,
roca shennairad sheubera da mteli jgufi kretinebad
gamogvacxada. exla ijdes da komputeris ekrans ukbinos
tu unda, aq meored shemobrdzandeba da uares dges
davakeneb. ise mainc raze matkob, rom "ambrosichi" var?
isev adrindel kitxvas dagisvam - zviadis qeba-didebas
rom ver mamchnev, imitom xom ara? shesashuria pirdapir,
ra advilad alageben xolme taroebze cxovrebas
zogiertebi..
Rac sheexeba "damalvas", chemtvis dzalian advilia
nebismieri saxelit cera, tundac Reno Mirianashvili
viqnebi:-), ase rom Besiktan sachivrebis cera ar
gishvelis, jobia cota ufro gonebagaxsnilad ukuro
kvelafers. Psevdonimit ratom vcer, es adre ukve
avuxseni besuks, magram shen magas albat mainc ver
mixvdebi. "zomebis migebaze" ki sxva dros mogaxseneb..
> P.S ise psevdonimebis gareshe ar shegidzliat
> "ushveleblebo" (magalitat shegivardnadze ) da
> sxvebsac ugonebt(wolksvageni,provinciali da a.sh...).
> mec momigonet. da rodesac me movindomeb landzgvas am
> psevdonims siamuvnebit gamovikeneb.
"Godzilla" an "King-Kongi" iko. "provincials" ragac ver
vixseneb.. ah, albat "da a.sh."-istvis dagchirda…:-)
> kidev erthel, vai tkven "ushvelebel" patrons, DT
saertod, jer cera-kitxva iscavle, chemo Irakly, da
kidev ertxel gadaikitxe chemi cerilebi. sabavshvo
bagshi kamatis survili ara maqvs. jer iqneb gaarkvio,
vin visi "patronia", an saertod razea laparaki, sanam
vinmes rames etkvi, an sakutari genealogiis gamofenas
moackob.
DT
RemarQ User
dro aqvs da tavisufal dros dimitri jadoqris cerilebis
gauqmebit ertoba. sxva mikerdzoeba magistvis jer ar
shemimchnevia:-)
samagierod zog-zogiertebs moeconat idea da Besiktan
peticiebs ceren, mavanis da mavanis cinaagmdeg zomebi
miigeo. imedia Besiks jer ar carmoudgenia tavi am
jgufis direqtorad (an prefeqtad, rogorc im zogiertebs
gaexardebodat), torem male albat qrtamsac shestavazeben
:-)
DT
PS. isev zogiertebis sakuradgebod: zamtris ardadegebze
rom movicalo da mec davicko sxvisi cerilebis cashla,
mere ra geshvelebat? cota daufiqrdit, sanam rames
amoshaqravt xolme:-)
Irakly
>ki shegaxseneb rom archevnebistvis politikuri mushaobaa saciro da ara
>kuchashi gauatavebeli siaruli. archevnebshi gamarjvebis shemdeg ki kveqnis
>martvis gegmaa aucilebli rom saxelmcipo umartav gems ar daemsgavsos. esec
>kuchashi svlit da qvelaperi kargad iknebas ajxilit ar xdeba samcuxarod.
kuchashi saseirnot hom ar gamodian.es tu ar ici aris demonstracia. es mtel
msoplioshi migebuli protestis formaa. esec politikuri mushaobaa. misces
mtavrobam kovel dge erti saati TV-ze da amdens agar "ivlian".
>getanxmebi rom momxdaris garkvevis miznit gamojieba unda shedges, magram
>gaxsovdes rom miukerjvebeli gamojieba qoveltvis sasurvel shedegs ar
moitans,
>e.i. shen rom damnasheved ggonia, is adamiani sheijleba idanashaulo
>agmochndes.
me es mahsovs da zustad amitom var gamojiebis momhre. sheidzleba me vcdebi
da rac adre tetri iko dges shavad mechveneba. me mgoni am gamojiebis shedegi
shentvisac saintereso ikneba. hom ar aris gamorichuli rom shen scdebi?
>jalian kargi rom valensa axsene. mec xshirad momiqvania misi magaraliti
>renosa da ailastvis, tumca ushedegod. ikneb shen dametanxmo rom misi
>adamianebtan urtiertobis uunaroba da kedmagloba imdenad gamagizianebeli
>gaxda garshemo mqoptattvis rom samarcxvinod chamoagdes mcvervalidan.
>getanxmebi rom polonelebs axradac ar moividat misi damxoba. amave dros
>tavad valensac ar iqo gamsaxurdias doneze autaneli.
valensam kommunizmtan brdzolashi tavisi istoriuli missia sheasrula. rogorc
politikosma amiti polonets sikete moutana magram magisi dro tamtavrda
rodesac realuri ekonomiuri problemebi daitco. polonelebma gadairchies da
ara samarchvinot chamoagdes. vin upro autaneli iko ar vici es imgenma stkvan
vinc ver itanda da ver itans. chemtvis amaze laparaki absurdia.
>5 miliardi clis shemdeg mzis sistema da dedamica saertod gakreba, amitom
>davanebot tavi arsebobas? ranairi azrovbnebaa es?
vin ambobs 5 millird cels da vin ambobs davanebot tavi arsebobas? me vtkvi
realuri 30 celi. mashin sheidzleba chvenc vikot cochlebi. ici rogor emzadeba
arabetis kveknebi im dros roca nafti amoicureba? shen ara stkvi:"..kveqnis
martvis gegmaa aucilebli rom saxelmcipo umartav gems ar daemsgavsos".
Irakly
WebMaster
RemarQ User wrote in message <7Yoa2.896$45.1388207@WReNphoon1>...
ufleba aravis ar miucia. me mgoni Besiks sxvaze meti
dro aqvs da tavisufal dros dimitri jadoqris cerilebis
gauqmebit ertoba. sxva mikerdzoeba magistvis jer ar
shemimchnevia:-)
B.S. - martalia, chemtvis amis neba aravis ar moutsia da gindats momtset amis ufleba arts chveni NG-s tsevrebs ara aaqvs. rametu chveni jgufi atarebs
"soc. ..." saxels, es imis manishnebelia rom am jgufs moderatori ara hkavs. rats sheexeba jadoqris tserilebis gauqmebas, amis shesaxeb mgoni mogaxsenet rom me es imitom ki ar gavakete rom amit vertobodi:) aramed zogiertebma damabrales misi aq shemokvana da vifiqre radgan asea gangatavisuflebt misgan da mere vnaxot ras moimoqmedebt da ras momigonebt... rogorts xedavt me amas mivagtsie tumtsa zogi im "jadoqarze" uaresi agmochnda. asea tu ise me aravitar tserilebis gauqmebas agar vapireb, gindats es chems girsebas exebodes....
========================
samagierod zog-zogiertebs moeconat idea da Besiktan
peticiebs ceren, mavanis da mavanis cinaagmdeg zomebi
miigeo. imedia Besiks jer ar carmoudgenia tavi am
jgufis direqtorad (an prefeqtad, rogorc im zogiertebs
gaexardebodat), torem male albat qrtamsac shestavazeben
:-)
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B.S. - idea mshvenieria, magram amis gaketeba kanonit akrzalulia. "jadoqarma" ver gvichivla rametu man kanonebi ar itsis da kompiuteruli gamotsdileba sakmaod ara aaqvs. mas arts sheedzlo echivla rametu misi vinaoba gaxmaurdeboda. rats sheexeba chems "direqtorad" tavis gamotsxadebisa amas ar vapireb da arts mqonia azrad arasdros. "WebMaster"-is saxeli ki imis shemdeg davirqvi rotsa shevudeqi "jadoqris" motsilebas, rametu gulupkvrilod damejerebina rom amis ufleba mqonda:)
rats sheexeba chems dzvel saxels "BesikiNews" es zogiertebs aq ar mostsondat, zogma isits ki tqva ra tavs idebo, ase rom vrchebi "WebMaster"-ad rametu am saxels bevri atarebs sxva jgufebshi da tsota sheumchneveli vxdebi sxvebis mimart.
====================================
PS. isev zogiertebis sakuradgebod: zamtris ardadegebze
rom movicalo da mec davicko sxvisi cerilebis cashla,
mere ra geshvelebat? cota daufiqrdit, sanam rames
amoshaqravt xolme:-)
=========================
B.S. - amis gaketebas arts tqven girchevt, rametu rogorts agixsenit amit mxolod mtel chven NG gaauqmeb da meti araferi. tsota dafiqrdit vidre raime nabijs gadadgamdet amastan dakavshirebit. amit agretve gauqmdeba tqveni "Newsserver"-i da shesadzloa jarimats miigot tu es damtktsdeba. amis gamoashkaraveba ki dzalzed advila....
=============================
Irakly
aris gamorichuli rom shen scdebi?
>
>vicit vcdebit tu ara. mxolod varaudi shegvijlia. xolo tu sheni kitxva
>araritorikulia, mashin vigacis udanashaulobis prezumpcias ivicqeb, rac
>metad shemashpotebelia.
ritorikulia.
>ki magram irakli, sikvdilis sheshit tavi vis mouklia? rogor shen
>axsene, mzad unda iqo gardaubvalis moxdenisatvis magram arcert sparsetis
>quris kveqanas jer ar utkvams, 50 celshi navti gakreba
>amitom shevcqvitot misi amokachvao
isev ver gamige scored. me ar vambob rom unda sheckdes es mushaoba. sakme
imashia rom marto naftsadeni ar ushvelis sakmes. amis garda realuri
ekonomika unda ikos. carmoeba. umetesoba halhma mushaoba icis. pirobebi unda
shekmna. carmoebis garda turizmic arsebobs. 30 clis mere roca nafti
amoicureba ra ekonomika gvekneba, ra samushao adgilebi?
>chemi gulcrpeli survili ikneboda rom sakartvelo mis dgevandel
>mtavrobastan ar gaaigivo. es mtavroba, misi aptrebi da turebi, ert dros
>agar ikneba. navtobsadenis dro ki dges-xvalaa. tu am mtavrobis jinit
>dges eg shansi davkarget, bevri garshemo mqopi mxolod moxaruli ikneba
>kartvelebis gautanlobisa da sibrivis.
>levan kverenckiladze
chemtvis sul ertia ra mtavroba ikneba. ogond cota mainc demokratias
daemsgavsos politikuri ckoba.
Irakly
Irakly
>kanonieri sabazro meurneobisatvis.
umetesoba mzad aris rom daitkos am meurneobis sheneba. chven normaluri halhi
vart. amashi echvi tu geparebad mashin razea laparaki? mtel msoplios tu
sheudzlia chven ratom ara? ra gvaklia? ukve bevrma kvekanam gaiara es gza.
mzad ar aris kopili komunisturi chinovnikebi da mafiozebi.
am halhs arasodes ar umushaviad realurad. "kapitalizm- iskusstvo sozdavat ,
a kommunizm iskusstvo raspredeliat". ar mahsovs zustad es vin tkva magram
score natkvamia. shevardnadzes ar sheidzleba mosthovo normaluri ekonomikis
shekmna. magram tu amisi survili namdvilat akvs mashin mtavrobashi amdeni
kopili komunisti ar unda ikos. gadahedet im halhis biografiebs romelic
shediodnen mtavrobashi 1992-1998 clebshi.magalitat niko lekishvilis
biografias an dgevandel premieris biografias romelmac 15 celi ishroma
komkavshirshi da partiashi.
http://server.parliament.ge/GOVERNANCE/GOV/vlortkip.html
komunistebis garda ikvnen ioseliani, kitovani,nadibaidze,georgadze da
margiani. rogor shekmnis es halhi cheshmarit ekonomikas? erti ramea kargi
rom bolo dros dasavletshi nascavli halhic gamochda magram am halhis codnas
komunistebi shva ramistvis ikeneben.
>martali xar. meres mxriv, gana gulcrpelad itqvi rom mrgval magidas an
>socialistebs an mit umetes, populist leobiristul partias gaachnia sabazro
>meurneobis shekmnis gegma an tundac survilic ki?
>rad ginda xalxi motquvdes mati dapirebebit da mere uares uimedobas mieces?
mrgval magidas ra undoda gamigia araerthel, magram shesdzlebda amas tu ara
aravin icis. kovel shemthvevashi antikomunisturad iko ganckobili. da tanac
vin acala? nahevari celi cotaa rom rame shecvalo. 6 celic albat cotaa
magram ragacis shekmna sheidzleba. socialistebi da leiboristebi vin arian
konkretulad ar vici magram me mgoni igive kopili komunistebi-populistebi
arian rogorc mokalaketa kavshiri(sad aris millioni samushao adgili?).
Irakly
Irakly
RemarQ User
Nana,
gtavazobt amonacers erti gushindeli postidan.
magas vgulisxmobdi, roca peticia vaxsene:
>>>
> Article: 9 of 10
> From: Irakly <ira...@online.ru>
> Subject: Re: i
> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:08:40 +0300
>
> ... besiki scored aketebs rom arc ert cerils ar
> gareshe landzgavs sxvebs imastan zomebi miigos. me
>>>
saertod, chemze gabrazebul xalxs minda vtxovo -
civi ckali daliet da mere chems cerilebs gadaxedet.
tu iq raime sibindzures ipovit (renos shemotavazebuli
trikotazhis temis garda, razec ver movitmine, rom
ukanve ar mimefarebina mistvis cxvirshi), mashin
sajarod bodishs movixdi. tu ver ipovit, mashin isev
civi ckali daliet da kargad brdzandebodet. vinc
xumrobas da bindzur zhargonebs ver ansxvavebs, gmertma
egetive bednieri amkofos mteli sicocxle:-)
redardebi da dimpitauri,
DT
Irakly
>> shlis. magram ert rames vthov :vinc namdvili sahelis
>> gareshe landzgavs sxvebs imastan zomebi miigos. me
>> mkvia Mirianashvili Irakly...
>saertod, chemze gabrazebul xalxs minda vtxovo -
>civi ckali daliet da mere chems cerilebs gadaxedet.
>tu iq raime sibindzures ipovit (renos shemotavazebuli
>trikotazhis temis garda, razec ver movitmine, rom
>ukanve ar mimefarebina mistvis cxvirshi), mashin
>sajarod bodishs movixdi. tu ver ipovit, mashin isev
>civi ckali daliet da kargad brdzandebodet. vinc
>xumrobas da bindzur zhargonebs ver ansxvavebs, gmertma
>egetive bednieri amkofos mteli sicocxle:-)
>
>redardebi da dimpitauri,
humrobas varchev. magram ai am postingshi ar shegedzlo reno ar gehsenebina?
kaci hmas agar igebs da mainc ar scildebi.
nu tu daijere rom me seriozulat movithov rame cenzuras da amisi imedi makvs?
gabrazebuli ara var pirikit madlobeli var rom psevdonimebi shemomtavaze.
Godzila upro momcons.
redardebi da dimpitaurebi
DT&Co production,all right reserved ( plagiatad rom ar chametvalos )
Irakly
lev...@my-dejanews.com
"Irakly" <ira...@online.ru> wrote:
> isev ver gamige scored. me ar vambob rom unda sheckdes es mushaoba. sakme
> imashia rom marto naftsadeni ar ushvelis sakmes.
irakli, shen uporo axlos xar sakartvelostan amitom ikneb upro gesmis ambebi,
magram me jer ar gamigia navtobsadenis garda araperi gvindao kartvelebs rom
atkvat.
ise ki imas shegaxseneb rom tu kartvelebi mxolod navtobsadenze amqareben
imeds es araa gasakviri: samcuxarod erti vinmis an ramis mxsnelad movlinebis
imedi axali araa sakartveloshi. tundac gamsaxurdias da shevardnajis mati
momxreebis mier macxovrad dasaxva rad girs!
> chemtvis sul ertia ra mtavroba ikneba. ogond cota mainc demokratias
> daemsgavsos politikuri ckoba.
es chveni saerto survilia. mxolod gaxsovdes rom misi ganxorcieleba
ertmanetistvis tvalebis mushtrvit ar gamova, motmineba da zogi
arasasiamovnos davicqebacaa saciro tu es mshvid samushao garemos shekmnis.
RemarQ User
martalia, tqven namdvilad ar gexebodat chemi
komentarebi gabrazebuli xalxisatvis. vagiareb, rom
zarmaci var :-)
irakly,
shentanac vagiareb, rom xandaxan dzalian mcare ena
maqvs, magram sxvanairad ar gamodis uimedo xalxtan
kamati - bevrjer davrcmundi amashi internetze. iset
shxamian adamianebtan, rogoric chven rom vicit isaa:),
anda nanam rom axsena cina cerilshi, mxolod erti
taqtika chris - "naglyi fraer xuzhe tanka":-).
sxvanairad kidev ufro tavxedurad iqcevian, roca
cesierad upasuxeb.
Ciao,
lev...@my-dejanews.com
sheshpotdio. amis nacvlad ki amas vkitxulob?
"WebMaster" <ekl...@socantel.net> wrote:
>
> "soc. ..." saxeli, es imis manishnebelia rom am jgufs moderatori ara =
> hkavs. rats sheexeba jadoqris tserilebis gauqmebas, amis shesaxeb mgoni =
> mogaxsenet rom me es imitom ki ar gavakete rom amit vertobodi:)
rogor axerxebs besiki vinmes cerilebis cashhlas roca aravis aurchevia jgupis
camqvanbad da roca tavad agnishnavs, jgupi ucamqvanoao?
besikma an azris gadmocema ar icis anda did usamartloba xdeba!
kvemot miqvanilis mtkemli rogor sheijleba jgupis camqvanad dainishnos?
> "jadoqarma" ver gvichivla rametu man kanonebi ar itsis da kompiuteruli =
> gamotsdileba sakmaod ara aaqvs. mas arts sheedzlo echivla rametu misi =
> vinaoba gaxmaurdeboda.
FBI dosieebis da agentobis ariqos, besik, ase gesmis shen sakmis vitareba?
tu adamianma kanonebi ar icis amitom upleba gakvs gatelo, imitom rom
ucodinrobis gamo ver gichivlebs? an misi vinaobis gamxela ra saprtxea?
saidan modis aseti azrebi mudmivi studentis gonebashi? tu ikneb imitom xar
mudmivi studenti besik, rom xarxisxs ver igeb gonebrivi sissustis gamo?
gmertmani, amdeni umecrebis moroshvis shemdeg meore upro savaraudoa.
ikneb vinmem damamshvidos rom besiki, zneobriv da etikur normebtan mcqralad
mqopi adamiani, ar akontrolebs am jgupis karibces.
santa klosis arsebobis moimede,
levan kverenchxilaje
RemarQ User
Just wondering, are you the same consistent,
well-behaved and polite specimen who wrote this
genial posting?
> Subject: Re: i
> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:34:35 GMT
> From: lev...@my-dejanews.com
>> dt1...@email.com (Supernews User) wrote:
>> ah, ar shecde, reno, ar daujero!
> apaaappapaaa paa, ar gadevirie kaci magi rom tkva
> renom.
> baababoo boo varaloo lale jan tiko tiko... karg
> xasiatze unda qopiliqo reno torem ase advilad rogor
> ganizraxa tavisi kompiuteris gul-boqvis gaxsna!
> (uh, ikneb gul-boqvis nacvlad renoseulad "baqvis
> gadaxsna" unda mexmara, an kidev uketesi, "dundulebis
> gaceva" "nipxavis chajroba" rogor zgers?
> bah buh baaa beee beee
> bee beee beee
-**** Posted from remarQ, Discussions Start Here(tm) ****-
WebMaster
>In article <91301061...@nntpcache2.nortel.net>,
>>
>> B.S. - Levan, shen memgoni ver xvdebi verafers. aravis tserilebi ar =
>> tsamishlia, garda "jadoqrisa"
>
>Besik, she sitqvebove argar gesmis? gan ar ambob cavshaleo? da am paktis
>mixverdris gamo ar avgshpotdi?
>
>ese igi matali rom am adamianma cerilebis cashla moaxerxa satanado
>shetanxmebis gareshe?
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B.S. - es satanado shetanxmeba shengan xom ar unda amego???
amis shesaxeb kvelam itsoda da xmats aravis ar amougia, mxolod shens garda.
tu ase dastiri im "jadoqars" axlave davudzaxeb:)
========================================
> vin misca am ukugmarti gagebis mkones aseti
>jalaupleba?
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B.S. - ukmarti gagebis mqone ratom var, shennairad rom ar vfiqrob??? tu,
shennairad rom ar vlandzgav xalxs???
=================================
>rodidan gaxda es jgupi camqvaniani? ra cesebis mixedvit xdeba
>jgupis martva? ikneb vinmem gamarkvios amashi.
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B.S. - arasodes ar gamxdara es jgufi tsamkvaniani da arts gaxdeba. rats
sheexeba chems qmedebas shens garda kvelam moitsona. ravqna kvelas ver
asiamovnebs katsi...garkvevit ki ra mogaxseno, tuki aqamde ver gaerkvie
verafershi; tqventvis mxolod pirovnuli sheuratskofaa da ara raime sagi azris
gamotana.
====================================
>
>> B.S. - es raxdeba Levan "jadoqris" tanamonatsile gaxdi, ise shegvejavre =
>> rom chventan laparaks mastan saubars archev???
>
> gmerto chemo, aseti umecari krogor aris es besiki rom arc ki malavs
tavis
>umecrebas!!! besik, kidev ertxel shegaxseneb rom maincdamainc me ar unda
>sheuracxmqon rom sheuracxqopisas xma amovigo, maincdamainc me ar unda
>camishalon cerili rom cerilis cashlaze xma amovigo. amas gascavlian im
>ubadruk sasuliero seminariashi? najiralis moconebas ar udris roca
>_kanonierad_ mastan mopqrobas kitxov kaci.
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B.S. aq ki uazroa sheni pasuxi da saertod ar sheesabameba temas. mxolod
pirovnuli sheuratskofa girchevnia raimeze normalurad laparaks.
=========================
>
>dimitris gajeveba ar madardebs magram aman sheni sahisnlad mcdari
>azrovneba carmoachina da amis gamo var agshpotebuli.
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B.S. - rotsa "jadoqari" xshiri stumari iko chventan ise shegeshindat rom
zogma jgufis datovebats ki gadatskvita. me mogashoret is aqedan da madlobis
magier amgvari sitkvebi mesmis chems shesaxeb? "viro madlio" - ase itkvian
amgvar vitarebaze. mgoni martla sjobs "jadoqari" dagvibrundes vidre sheni
gesliani tserilebi vikitxot...
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>
>> rashuashia "tovlis-papa" maints ver gavige... mosalotsi rom gavakete web
=
>> gverdze: http://www.angelfire.com/pa/besiki/xmas.html is xom ar
>> shegshurda???
>
>ara, besik chemo, sheni ra unda shemshurdes kaci umecrebis caobshi
ixrchobi.
============================
B.S. - rogor apireb "umetsaris" ganatlebas aseti landzgva-ginebit da
agresiulobit??? tu asea shemtsdarxar dzmao, rametu dzalit da sheuratskofit
aravis ar gaunatlebia utsodarni. tu es sheni metodia??? Freidis tsignebi
tsagekitxe fsiqoloogis dargshi, rom amashi dartsmunde anda gadaxede
istorias...
====================================
>ubralod mindoda vinmes etkva chemtvis "Yes, Virgiania, there is a Santa
>Claus".
>
>tu is dadasturda rom besiks chauvarda xelshi am newsjgupis sadaveebi,
>mashin amashi ecvi shemepareba.
>Levani
===========================
B.S. - ra gadardebs ase Levan sheni tserilebi da sxva qartvelebis tserilebi
ar tsamishlia da nervebs tsinastsar ratom ishli. tu dzaan ginda amaze
pasuxi, mogaxseneb rom chveni jgufi chems xelshi iqneba es rom mindodes.
ukve tsarmovidgen, amis tsodna shen rom gqondes kvelas gagvadzevebdi aqedan
(ramodenime erteulis garda) da mxolod imitom rom "tashs" ar gikravt.
tavi damanebe tu adamiani xar... mgoni chemi dzagebit shen ufro met samares
itxri "chkviano patrioto". riti amtkitseb amas maints ver vxvdebi...
qartvelebis sheuradskofit xom ara???
Besiki
========================
lev...@my-dejanews.com
"Irakly" <ira...@online.ru> wrote:
> >> ... besiki scored aketebs rom arc ert cerils ar
> >> shlis. magram ert rames vthov :vinc namdvili sahelis
> >> gareshe landzgavs sxvebs imastan zomebi miigos. me
> >> mkvia Mirianashvili Irakly...
amis sacinaagdego araperi ar makvs. xalxis pativiscema moitqxovs
rom adamianuri saxeli gvagigrson am jgupshi mosaubre-mokamateebs.
DTs aratu es ar surs, aramed renos pacnuri tiradebit umaspinjldeba (tumca
renos sakcieli ratomgac ar moscons). amas garda, iset sitqvebs xmarobs
bazris ashars rom sheepereba.
>DT wrote
>on Sat, 05 Dec 1998 15:09:31 -0800
> Dear re...@concentric.net,
>thanks for advice. as I see now, there are too many "filters" and boring rules
>on this poor NG:-).[cut] The hell with these stupid rules, let's take it easy.
> As for your correspondence with Mr. Tsouladze, I also can't figure out what he
>wants. he sounds strange, and, to put it mildly, disgusting:-) I'd advise him
>to use either spellchecker or brains:-), or just to speak Georgian.
>Tsouladze, be cool:)
> DT
Lookee here, DT, (or, is it 'lookit over here'?) the same thing goes for you.
additionally you are an erratic person ('the hell (you wanted to say 'to
hell') with the rules, let's take it easy'; 'to put it mildly, disgusting
:-)' ) on top of being a rude and generally disagreable specimen.
I'd advise you to clean up you foul mouth, before writing any more in English
or Georgian.
levan kverenchkilaje
WebMaster
lev...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <74f3mm$773$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
megobrebo, besikis camqvanobaze rom vikitze megona metqodnen tquilad
sheshpotdio. amis nacvlad ki amas vkitxulob?
camqvanbad da roca tavad agnishnavs, jgupi ucamqvanoao?
besikma an azris gadmocema ar icis anda did usamartloba xdeba!
B.S. - Levan, shen memgoni ver xvdebi verafers. aravis tserilebi ar tsamishlia, garda "jadoqrisa" da isits imitom rom shennairma sag moazrovnem damabrala chems mier misi aq shemokvana.
=======================
kvemot miqvanilis mtkemli rogor sheijleba jgupis camqvanad dainishnos?
FBI dosieebis da agentobis ariqos, besik, ase gesmis shen sakmis vitareba?
tu adamianma kanonebi ar icis amitom upleba gakvs gatelo, imitom rom
ucodinrobis gamo ver gichivlebs? an misi vinaobis gamxela ra saprtxea?
===================
B.S. - es raxdeba Levan "jadoqris" tanamonatsile gaxdi, ise shegvejavre rom chventan laparaks mastan saubars archev??? tu dzaan shegebrala igi??? dzalian mgrdznobiare kofilxart. gasakviria. tu asea exlave davudzaxeb rom ukan dabrundes:) gons moego, chkviano patrioto....
======================
saidan modis aseti azrebi mudmivi studentis gonebashi? tu ikneb imitom xar
mudmivi studenti besik, rom xarxisxs ver igeb gonebrivi sissustis gamo?
gmertmani, amdeni umecrebis moroshvis shemdeg meore upro savaraudoa.
===================
B.S. - madlobt Levan, tqven koveltvis xasiatdebodit amgvari "kulturit", araferi ar gamikvirdeba shengan. ratom? shennairad rom ar vfiqrob???
=======================
ikneb vinmem damamshvidos rom besiki, zneobriv da etikur normebtan mcqralad
mqopi adamiani, ar akontrolebs am jgupis karibces.
=======================
B.S. - vinmes vtxov damchvidos Levan, torem albat guli tsudad gauxdeba. mas xom "jadoqarits" sheetsoda aqedan rom vaidzule tsasuliko.
========================
santa klosis arsebobis moimede,
levan kverenchxilaje
============
B.S. - "santa klosisa"(Santa Clous) ra mogaxseno chkviano katso, magram Saint Nicholas ki pativsa vtsem, es saxeli xom aqedan gamomdinareobs. rashuashia "tovlis-papa" maints ver gavige... mosalotsi rom gavakete web gverdze: http://www.angelfire.com/pa/besiki/xmas.html is xom ar shegshurda???
ratom mkben maints ver gavige....
Reno Siradze
> gamarjoba irakli,
dges rac saqartveloshi xdeba, imas "ushveleblis" moyvarulebi xalxs
abraleben(es uqnara qartvelebi rom ara , ra xania saqartveloshi samotxe
iqnebodao). gamosavali?! gamoucvalot xalxi "ushvelebels", tumca ams tvitonac
gegmazomierad asrulebs:(
"edarastebis", "edofilebis" da phurtxilokiebis sayvareli temaa: zviad
gamsaxurdiam gaxlicha sazogadoeba, man gadahkida dzma-dzmas!(???)
es rogor, moqalaqe inkognitoebo da naxevrad inkognitoebo?! am bolo 80 clis
mandzilze, saqartveloshi , saerto sikvaruli da idilia iko
dasadgurebuli?!(xalxs partiuli bonzebi uzomod ukvarda?!). HAIT, TKVE
UNAMUSOEBO!!! mteli am xnis ganmavlobashi, "ushveleblebi" da mati cinaprebi
mxolod sidzulvilsa da gvardzls ar tesavden?! scored es gvardzlia dges
saqartvelos rom spobs da anadgurebs!!!
irakli, kidev ertxel damikavshirdi internetshi qartuli enis gamokenebis
taobaze qartul , ager chatshic carmatebit vikenebt qartul anbans.
pativiscemit
reno
------------------------------------------
igive chems sakvarel qartul enaze:
ВАЛАРЯНБА ИРАЙКИ,
ГЦДС РАЪ САХАРЗЕДКНШИ ЮГДБА , ИЛАС "УШЕДКДБКИС" ЛНЧЕАРУКДБИ ЮАКЮС АБРАКДБДМ(ДС
УХМАРА ХАРЗЕДКДБИ РНЛ АРА, РА ЮАМИА САХАРЗЕДКНШИ САЛНЗЮД ИХМДБНГАН).
ВАЛНСАЕАКИ?! ВАЛНУЪЕАКНЗ ЮАКЮИ "УШЕДКДБДКС", ЗУЛЪА АЛАС ЗЕИЗНМАЪ ВДВЛАЖНЛИДРАГ
АСРУКДБС:(
"ДГАРАСТДБИ", "ДГНФИКДБИС" ГА ФУРЗЮИКНЙИДБИС САЧЕАРДКИ ЗДЛАА: ЖЕИАГ
ВАЛСАЮУРГИАЛ ВАЮКИЩА САЖНВАГНДБА, ЛАМ ВАГАаЙИГА ЫЛА-ЫЛАС(???)
ДС РНВНР, ЛНХАКАХД ИМЙНВМИТНДБН ГА МАЮДЕРАГ ИМЙНВМИТНДБН?! АЛ БНКН 80 ЬКИС
ЛАМЫИКЖД, САХАРЗЕДКНШИ, САДРЗН СИЧЕАРУКИ ГА ИГИКИА ИЧН ГАСАГВУРДБУКИ?!(ЮАКЮС
ОАРТИУКИ БНМЖДБИ УЖНЛНГ УЧЕАРГА?!). аАИТ, ЗХЕД УМАЛУСНДБН!!! ЛЗДКИ АЛ ЮМИС
ВАМЛАЕКНБАШИ, "УШЕДКДБКДБИ" ГА ЛАЗИ ЬИМАОРДБИ ЛЮНКНГ СИЫУКЕИКСА ГА ЦЕАРЫКС АР
ЗДСАЕГДМ?! СЬНРДГ ДС ЦЕАРЫКИА ГЦДС САХАРЗЕДКНС РНЛ СОНБС ГА ГА АМАГВУРДБС!!!
ИРАЙКИ, ЙИГДЕ ДРЗЮДК ГАЛИЙАЕШИРГИ ИМТДРМДТШИ ХАРЗУКИ ДМИС ВАЛНЧДМДБИС ЗАНБАЖД,
АВДР ЩАТШИЪ ЬАРЛАТДБИЗ ЕИЧДМДБЗ ХАРЗУК ДМАС
ОАТИЕИСЪДЛИЗ
РДМН
lev...@my-dejanews.com
dt1...@email.com (RemarQ User) wrote:
> Just wondering, are you the same consistent,
> well-behaved and polite specimen who wrote this
> genial posting?
Yup, that's me.
You still need to clean up your language, though. You
need to stop using bellow-the-belt moves such as calling
Reno 'Volkswagen'. That is similar to calling a blind man
a bat; Neither have controll over these things.
If you believe, as you calim, that you have a bitter tongue, you
are mistaken. You have an abusive tongue of a brat, and I
do hope you are not older than 18. even if yes (or should we
have said 'if ya'?), that is not an excuse.
You will do well if you manage to say something
without a barrage of insults. That is not RemaQabale at all since
anyone can manage that, and you are an example of this.
Levan
lev...@my-dejanews.com
"WebMaster" <ekl...@socantel.net> wrote:
>
> B.S. - Levan, shen memgoni ver xvdebi verafers. aravis tserilebi ar =
> tsamishlia, garda "jadoqrisa"
Besik, she sitqvebove argar gesmis? gan ar ambob cavshaleo? da am paktis
mixverdris gamo ar avgshpotdi?
ese igi matali rom am adamianma cerilebis cashla moaxerxa satanado
shetanxmebis gareshe? vin misca am ukugmarti gagebis mkones aseti
jalaupleba? rodidan gaxda es jgupi camqvaniani? ra cesebis mixedvit xdeba
jgupis martva? ikneb vinmem gamarkvios amashi.
> B.S. - es raxdeba Levan "jadoqris" tanamonatsile gaxdi, ise shegvejavre =
> rom chventan laparaks mastan saubars archev???
gmerto chemo, aseti umecari krogor aris es besiki rom arc ki malavs tavis
umecrebas!!! besik, kidev ertxel shegaxseneb rom maincdamainc me ar unda
sheuracxmqon rom sheuracxqopisas xma amovigo, maincdamainc me ar unda
camishalon cerili rom cerilis cashlaze xma amovigo. amas gascavlian im
ubadruk sasuliero seminariashi? najiralis moconebas ar udris roca
_kanonierad_ mastan mopqrobas kitxov kaci.
dimitris gajeveba ar madardebs magram aman sheni sahisnlad mcdari
azrovneba carmoachina da amis gamo var agshpotebuli.
> rashuashia "tovlis-papa" maints ver gavige... mosalotsi rom gavakete web =
> gverdze: http://www.angelfire.com/pa/besiki/xmas.html is xom ar =
> shegshurda???
ara, besik chemo, sheni ra unda shemshurdes kaci umecrebis caobshi ixrchobi.
ubralod mindoda vinmes etkva chemtvis "Yes, Virgiania, there is a Santa
Claus".
tu is dadasturda rom besiks chauvarda xelshi am newsjgupis sadaveebi,
mashin amashi ecvi shemepareba.
levani
lev...@my-dejanews.com
Reno Siradze <reno.s...@byteenchanters.com> wrote:
> dges rac saqartveloshi xdeba, imas "ushveleblis" moyvarulebi xalxs
> abraleben
>
> "edarastebis", "edofilebis" da phurtxilokiebis sayvareli temaa: zviad
> gamsaxurdiam gaxlicha sazogadoeba, man gadahkida dzma-dzmas!(???)
samcuxarod reno kvlavac agrejelebs umisamarto da arazusti braldebebis
prkvevas. da amit ganucqvetliv shegvaxsenbes rom misi politikuri kerpis
ertguli rcheba.
shevardnajis moqvaruli an momxre ar unda iqos kaci rom gamsaxurdias naklebi
agnishnos, reno. amistvis gonieri da miukerjoebelli damklvirvebelia saciro.
zviadma ar gaxlicha sazogadoeba magram man tavisi cvlili sheitana. amstan,
xalxs iseti paranoiuli ideebi chaunerga, didi xani dacirdeba mat davicqebas.
cheshmaritad rom maoxrebeli mkvdaris rols tamashobs eg kaci.
> irakli, kidev ertxel damikavshirdi internetshi qartuli enis gamokenebis
> taobaze qartul , ager chatshic carmatebit vikenebt qartul anbans.
>
> ------------------------------------------
> igive chems sakvarel qartul enaze:
ai kidev erti magaliti renos uzustobis da paktebis haiharad carmodgenisa:
reno shen rac dacere _kartul_ enaze iqo, kartuli enis aramcodne mas ver
gaigebs. sxva ambavia rom sheni naceri arakartuli _anbanit_ iqo gadmocemuli.
nutu ase rtulia amis garcheva, tu arc ki gainteresebs ramdenad martalia
sheni natkvai, tuki sxvisi galanjgvis da eshmakad carmoshenis shanss
mogcems?
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> >es "ushvelebeli politikosi" ras daixvie enaze,
>
> ushvelebelia aba ra aris. amis cin ukve davcere me rom laris kursi
> helovnuria. kargi, vtkvat abhazetis da samachablos dakargva cinandeli
> helisuplebis bralia.
> mere ioselianebi da kitovanebi ushlidnen. ekonomika mainc sheekmna cota
> normaluri. rogorc zurab jvaniam stkva 1997 cels amerikam daehmara
> sakartvelos da misca $100 millioni.
> sakartvelodan casulia daahloebit erti mollioni mokalake. absoluturi
> umetesoba mushaobs da tavis ojahebs da natesavebs sakartveloshi archens.
> daahloebit daitvalet ramdeni tanha shedis sakartveloshi am halhisgan. ra
> tkma unda zustad veravin ver itkvis magram kovelivem rom $10 (me visac
> vicnob moscovshi $200 naklebs krizisamde ar agzavniden) gagzavnos tveshi
> gamodis $120 millioni celicadshi. dges roca rusetshi krizisia da
> kartvelebi ver aketeben ukve am "investicias" laris kursi davarda.
> me darcmunebuli var rom laris kursi amis gamo davarda magram es ar aris
> namdvili reformebi. jibes ureformotac iskeleben.
> normalur ekonomikas shekmnaze cavides. magram shvata shoris 40000 policiels
> archens "demokratiuli" mtavroba.es ar aris gasakviri: diktatorebs arasodes
> ar ackobt rom mis kvekanashi ikos bevri mdidari(anu upro tavisupali).upro
> advili kontrolia. romel kveknebs sheeho rusetis krizisi? pirvel rigshi
> imgens sadac rusetis ekonomikikuri modelia archeuli
> (mafiozur-komunisturi).magalitad belorusia. ra tkma unda es krizisi pirvel
> rigshi ubralo halhistvisaa da ara imgenistvis chrdiloetidan mzis amosvlas
> rom elodebian da dasavletidan ahal kreditebs.
>
>
kvelafershi getanxmebi irakli, garda imisa rom gadakidebixart am DT-s
ginda tu ara "ushveleblis" momxre xaro. ambobs ar varo da daujere,
ratomaa amis dashveba ase dzneli?
saintereso iko sheni tserili.
magaze ar mifikria rom ara exportis shemcireba( rasac oficialurad
amboben) aramed sakartveloshi shemogzavnili valutis masis dacema itsvevs
laris vardnas da axla inflaciit cdiloben(???) am fulis ukan mozidvas. me
es sakitxi kargad ar mesmis. vitom laris inflacia dolaris masas ratom
gazrdis? shegidzliat chamakenot sakmis kursshi? chemis azrit mxolod
sheamcirebs es dolaris masas. me ekonomisti ara var da amistom am
sakitxs kargad ver vxedav.
imashic getanxmebi rom rogorc schans gadasaxadebshi biznesebis
chaxrchoba da startup anu damtskebi poziciis ar gatvalistsineba, aris
mshvenieri xerxi, rata sakartveloshi fulis patroni aravin gaxdes garda
kreditebze shemomsxdari biurokratebisa. imitom rom fuli, aris dzala da
dzala tavisuflebas shobs.
garda amisa fuli samushao adgilebsac gaachenda rom es vinmes
ainteresebdes.
kreditebi ichmeba. ratkmaunda. aba sadaa es fuli? da ra ikna misit
migtseuli?
romeli struktura mushaobs? da romeli gamostsorda? an romeli adgas
gamostsorebis gzas?
erti sabanko sistema mushaobs uket vidre "okros tasebi" da mistanani.
meti araferi. magram am "okros tasebma" sinamdvileshi erti saukunit
ikit gadastsies namdvili sabanko reforma. anu es vitom kargi mushaoba
aris mochvenebiti da garedan shemosul tanxazea damkarebuli. xalxs
bankshi fuli ar sheakvs da banki ki xalxis fulis gareshe ris maknisia?
garda amisa turme tu 10 000 ginda sesxad mgoni 100% girao ki ar
akmakofilebt aramed 100 000 mainc unda chasdo. anu sheni saxli da mteli
koneba 10 000 tvis. anu sheni cxovreba. vin moaxdina ase kvelafris
shefaseba? romel kanonebs emkareba es?
ekonomikis tvalsazrisit chveni kvekana xuxulas hgavs. da erti sulis
sheberva da xuxulasavit daingreva.
samtsuxaro faktia magram garda xelisuflebis gansakutrebuli
damokidebulebisa, chvens aset mdgomareobas agrmavebs xalxis ucodinroba
kapitalisturi ekonomikis kanonebisa. anu me vfikrob rom dznelad
moinaxeba aseti ramis mcodne pirovnebebi sakartveloshi.
garda amisa amas emateba aramokalaeobrivi cnobiereba. ak me shens
sakvarel mokalakeebs ar vgulisxmob. aramokalakeobrivi cnobiereba stsored
imashi gamoixateba rom rogorc ki xeli xerxze miutsvdebat, egreve im
totis mochras itskeben romelzedac tviton zian da romelzedac mati
shtamomavlobis bedia damokidebuli.
kargad maxsovs, rogor ixdida mteli chveni ubani sinatlis gadasaxads
tslebis ganmavlobashi, gadasaxadis amkrefi gaxldat vigac simpatiuri
axlagazrda kaci. kvelas dzalian mostsonda igi da moklet did imedebs
gamotkvamdnen rom ikneb telass moeca agtkmuli elektroenergia. ert
mshvenier dges sxva amkrefi mogvadga karze da tkva rom turme tslebis
ganmavlobashi es chveni gadasaxadi telasshi ar shedioda... ki magram is
kaci tu telasis tanamshromeli ar iko mashin namdvili tanamshromeli sadga
gadaikarga? ratom daschirda ramodenime tselitsadi chvens ubnamde
mogtsevisatvis? ar ifikro rom pasuxi ar vici. ratkmaunda vici. is
ketilgimiliani kaci ratkmaunda telasshi mushaobda, magram telasi im fuls
ijibavda da chvens kvitrebs albat sadgac krida.
is meore gadasaxadis amkrefi ki albat axal chamjibavta tsres ekutvnoda,
da amitom gatkva tavisi tavidan mocilebuli motsinaagmdege.
ai, esaa aramokalakeobrivi damokidebuleba. rac arafer sxvaze ar
miutitebs garda gonebrivi chamorchenilobaze da chkuis simokleze.
bodishit am igav-arakis motxrobisatvis, dartsmunebuli var tkvenc araerti
aseti ambavi gakvt mosatxrobi da ase rom aravis gagkvirvebiat rac
movkevi, magram sakitxavi isaa tu ratomaa es seni sarevelasavit modebuli
chvens xalxshi?
nutu tsesieri diktatori da tsesieri mkveli gvchirdeba rom kanonebi
davicvat?
ar vici...
nana
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RemarQ User
Come on, give me a break…who da hell you think you are
to judge anyone else. I remember you from another
discussion group, and remember the best ever answer
given to you by an anonymous Georgian fellah who
named himself "..Please!!!" (though I've got a clue who
was that). Just recall that answer and be happy.
DT
PS. eh, civi ckali etkoba saqmes ar shvelis...
ukve meramdened vrcmundebi, rom zog mamakacs ufro susti
nervebi aqvs, vidre qalbatonebs:-)
lev...@my-dejanews.com
"Irakly" <ira...@online.ru> wrote:
> umetesoba mzad aris rom daitkos am meurneobis sheneba. chven normaluri halhi
> vart. amashi echvi tu geparebad mashin razea laparaki?
irakli, sheni msjeloba sasiamovno mosasmenia da gasaxaria rom ase sagad apaseb
mdgomareobas. mxolod imas shegaxseneb rom roca kartveli xalxis sabazro
ekonomikistvis mzadqopnaze vlaparakob, imas ki ar vgulisxmob rom is
aranormaluria, aramed mxolod imas rom cheshmaritad tavisupal meurneobastan
gautvitcnobieris gamo sheijleba kargad ar icodes aseti meurneobis pujemdebluri
cnebebi.
tundac am jgupshi gamocheniltagan ramdens esmis sitqvis tavisupleba
satanadod? ramdens gonia rom es qvelapris tkmis nebartvas nishnavs? tanac
ise arian tavdajerebuli, aket cdiloben 'codnis' gazirebas. tuki dasavletshi
mqopi axalgazrdebi ver igeben am cnebas, rogor moeli rom sakartveloshi mqopi
45 clis adamiani gaigebs.
kidev gavimeoreb, ramis arcodna mxolod regvens rcxvenia! ckviani magram
uvici adamiani grjnobs rom uvicia da cdilobs scavlit datovos uvicta rigebi.
ogond jer is unda agiaron tavis cinashe rom ragaca sheijeleba scored ar
esmodet.
>mtel msoplios tu sheudzlia chven ratom ara? ra gvaklia? ukve bevrma kvekanam
>gaiara es gza.
mtels msoplios rom sheejlos mashin qvela norvegiasavis an amerikasavit
ikneboda. samcuxarod, msoplios xalxta did umravlesobas jer ver mouxerxebia
amis migceva. ra akliat? magalitad, is samokalako pasuxismgebloba da
tvisebebi nanam rom axsena. kidev szxva mizezebia, romlis didi cili, chemi
azrit, am pirveli mizezidan gamomdinareobs, tumca amze cxare da dausrulebeli
kamaratia politikuri da sazogadoebrivi mecnierebis creebshi.
> shevardnadzes ar sheidzleba mosthovo normaluri ekonomikis
> shekmna. magram tu amisi survili namdvilat akvs mashin mtavrobashi amdeni
> kopili komunisti ar unda ikos.
xshirad survili ertia da sinamdvile meore. jaanac rom gindodes am xalxis
mocileba, imaze unda ipikro ertbashad moshorebis gamo mati gaaptreba ramdenad
saziano ikneba kveqnistvis. araa kargi mati mtavrobashi qopna magram ikneb
nelnela moxerxdes mati gajeveba. ertbashad da ugnurad gamsaxurdiam cada
mgeltan shebrjoleba da xom xedav rac mouvida.
samxret amerika aige. uamravi diktatori da avazaki rogorc ikna moishores
xalxebma tavidan magram amastan isic datkves rom zog shemtxvevashi mat
danashauls ar mokitxavdnen. zogjer uketesi momavlistvis saciroa carsulis
davicqeba, ramdenadac mtkivneuli ar unda iqo es zigistvis.
> mrgval magidas ra undoda gamigia araerthel, magram shesdzlebda amas tu ara
> aravin icis. kovel shemthvevashi antikomunisturad iko ganckobili.
anti- ragacis cinaagmdeg qopnas nishnavs. is ki ar chans sanacvlod ra unda
am xalxs. romc chandes, mizani ertia, misi misagcevi vargisi gegma ki svxva.
xshirad ketili survilis mkone adamiani sashishia mizans tu arascori gzit
epotineba. shen rom kbili gtkiodes, araekim dedas amkurnalebieb tu ekims?
Godzilla
>shentanac vagiareb, rom xandaxan dzalian mcare ena
>maqvs, magram sxvanairad ar gamodis uimedo xalxtan
>kamati - bevrjer davrcmundi amashi internetze.
uimedo halhi titkmis ar arsebobs. uimedo konkretulad ras nishnavs? risi
imedi unda kondes halhs magis mimart? magalitad me da levani didhans
vkamatobt da ertmaneti ar gagvilandgia imis miuhedavat rom 99% sakithshi
ertmanets ar vetanhmebit. me sulac ara makvs imedi rom tavis azrs rameshi
shecvlis. levanim isic dacera rom "cqlis nmaqvaa magram, ai pasuhi".
vici rom zogiertebze alergia gakvs magram agresiuloba aravis ar shvelis.
ai magaliti:
>vinaidan am jgufshi sichume da mockeniloba dasadgurebula,
>rogorc es grmadpativcemulma qalbatonma Nana Bukhsianidzem
>shenishna, gtavazobt ecviot website-s misamartze -
><http://www.evitech.fi/~giorgig/gr_kgb.html>
>da gamotkvat azri iq sheqmnili "didebuli" koleqciis taobaze.
>gansakutrebit saintereso iqneba tqveni azri seqcia
>"Georgian clergymen"-isa da, agretve, zemoxsenebuli
>koleqciis "superpatrioti" avtor(eb)is shesaxeb.
es koleqciac nahet:
http://www.yi.com/home/GugushviliBessarion/ihfhr_2.html
vici rom shentvis es dznelia, magram aba erthel kidev gadahede am
"kolekciebs" (gansakutrebit meores) da gulahdilat mipasuhe: ar sheidzleba
rom es martali ikos? tu es 100% sicrue marto imitom rom ganshvavebuli azris
halhma dacera? ikneb namdvilia es politpatimrebis siebi? shen kidev idzahi
moigones. ra fantazia unda konded "superpatriotebs" rom es moigonon?
daupikrdi, tu es tkuili ar aris mashin es halhi martla patriotebia imitom
rom adamianis uplebebis dargvevaze kvirian. tu "ambrosichi" ara har shentvis
sul erti unda ikos romeli partiidan aris es halhi. imitom rom gahsovdes:
dges dolkvadze zis ciheshi da gelbahiani. hval kidev DT-s chasvamen. da
sheidzleba verc erti advokati ver daamtkicebs rom terroristi ara har.
Irakly
lev...@my-dejanews.com
dt1...@email.com (RemarQ User) wrote:
> Come on, give me a break…who da hell you think you are
> to judge anyone else.
I am no judge, just a person who dislikes abusive and rude people.
If you want to sling mud, go somewhere else.
lk
RemarQ User
> rude people.
> If you want to sling mud, go somewhere else.
> lk
step: before giving your arrogant "advices", look at
yourself and your hysterical and "polite" posts,
maybe you'll want to shut up...
DT
RemarQ User
samcuxarod imdeni dro ara maqvs, rom kvela tqveni
cerili cavikitxo, pasuxistvis mitumetes:-) gamocdebs
rom movrchebi, mere sheidzleba... amjerad mxolod erti
shenishvna, rasac tvali movkari: godzillas mokvanili
cifrebi da ekonomikuri argumentebi, rbilad rom vtqva,
arakoreqtulia. Godzilla, tu martla gainteresebs ra
xdeba qartul, da saertod ekonomikashi, shedi
<http://www.georgia.net.ge/geplac/>-ze da GET-is bolo
nomrebi amobechde. GET-ic agenti ar gegonos:-), eg
masalebi sakmaod zustia, tu damijereb:-)
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> In article <91309327...@nntpcache2.nortel.net>,
> "WebMaster" <ekl...@socantel.net> wrote:
>
> > B.S. - es satanado shetanxmeba shengan xom ar unda amego???
> > amis shesaxeb kvelam itsoda da xmats aravis ar amougia,
>
> ai es mainteresebs da mipasuxe getaqva.
>
> > B.S. - ukmarti gagebis mqone ratom var, shennairad rom ar vfiqrob??? tu,
> > shennairad rom ar vlandzgav xalxs???
> > =================================
>
>
> > B.S. - ra gadardebs ase Levan sheni tserilebi da sxva qartvelebis tserilebi
> > ar tsamishlia da nervebs tsinastsar ratom ishli.
>
> diskriminaciazes ar ixevs ukan. gana aseti shexedulebebis adamians unda
> sheejlos am jgupshi raime cerilis cashla? ase davkarget piradi girseba?
>
> > >rodidan gaxda es jgupi camqvaniani? ra cesebis mixedvit xdeba
> > >jgupis martva? ikneb vinmem gamarkvios amashi.
> > B.S. - arasodes ar gamxdara es jgufi tsamkvaniani da arts gaxdeba. rats
> > sheexeba chems qmedebas shens garda kvelam moitsona.
>
> getaqva.
>
> > mgoni martla sjobs "jadoqari" dagvibrundes vidre sheni gesliani tserilebi
> >vikitxot...
>
> cashla da rogor ailagmos shens mier amis momavlashi gaketebis shesajlebloba.
>
> > tu dzaan ginda amaze
> > pasuxi, mogaxseneb rom chveni jgufi chems xelshi iqneba es rom mindodes.
>
> kaci ilia meores mier kartvelta maoxrebelis monatlvas icavs da ijaxis
> sxvas vtelav shen ra kuci gecviso.
> am adamians nagavs ar vandob! mash ratom vimcirebt tavs ise rom mas vandobt
> jgupis gacmendas. ikneb vinmem tkvas, indoel miukarebelta msgavsad
> mjoris mosashoreblad besiki vargia mxolod, masze mets amas veravis vakadrebto.
> magram es ase aara, am shemtxvevashi mainc. mash ratom ar vimaglebt xmas roca
> es samarcxvino azrebis mkone kaci igdebs xelshi potenciurad metad
> jlier iarags. gana jaba ioselianis magalitma araperi gvascavla?
>
> mtlad gulareuli,
> levan kverencxilaje
>
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levan;
gasagebia rasac ambob. araa kargi tu vinmes sdzaludzs tserilebis
tsashla.
ragacatom ara mgonia rom mas martla tsaeshalos es tserilebi.
tu martla tsashala, mashin getanxmebi rom unda gairkves saidan miigo es
informacia da ratom unda hkondes mas exclusiuri ufleba tu unari
tserilebi shalos tavisi survilis mixedvit.
kargad maxsovs ise rom laparaki iko moderatoris aucileblobaze.
zogiertebi daetanxmnen am azrs. umravlesobam ki martla moitsona
jadokartan brdzolis ragac gzebis gamonaxvis aucilebloba. ramdenad
nishnavs es rom moitsones moderatori ar vici. me mgoni es sxvadasxva
movlenebia da ertidaigives ar nishnavs.
magram levan davushvat da besiks martla miutsvdeba xeli aset rameze, me
mgoni amas ver mouvli ase shekitxvebis dasmit. me mgoni mcodne
pirovnebebs unda vkitxot ramdenadaa es shesadzlebeli da ra informacias
flobs igi. mere vnaxot vin iko am informaciis tskaro da movitxovot rom
shecvalos ragac ragaceebi, rom kidev ar gaxdes shesadzelebeli rigiti
tsevris mier sxvisi tserilebis tsashla.
kvela asaxelebs vigac irens gvari damavitskda, nutu man misca mteli
informacia besiks?
ise besik, tkvi martla tsashale am jadokris tserilebi?
me vfikrob rom amas adgili ar hkonia da sanerviuloc araferia.
tumca mortsmune kaci albat ar unda itkuebodes. tu besiki ar itkueba
mashin gamodis martla staushlia, rac maocebs. imitom rom ar velodi rom
is aset xerxs mimartavda. ra shachiro iko adamianis sruli ganiarageba
mastan brdzolis mosagebad?
Godzilla
>ginda tu ara "ushveleblis" momxre xaro. ambobs ar varo da daujere,
>ratomaa amis dashveba ase dzneli?
nana, tu shen ambob mashin mjera.
>saintereso iko sheni tserili.
>magaze ar mifikria rom ara exportis shemcireba( rasac oficialurad
>amboben) aramed sakartveloshi shemogzavnili valutis masis dacema itsvevs
>laris vardnas da axla inflaciit cdiloben(???) am fulis ukan mozidvas. me
>es sakitxi kargad ar mesmis. vitom laris inflacia dolaris masas ratom
>gazrdis?
ra exportzea laparaki. ra gvakvs saexporto dges gvinis da borjomis garda?
inflacia aris dzalian mavnebeli. veraper puls ver mozidavs. es sisulelea. tu
carmoeba ar aris dolarebi realurad unda shevides kvekanashi. an kreditis da
investiciis formit an rogorc halhs shemokonda rusetidan krizisamde (ise
daupikrdit , msoplioshi romeli kvekana arsebobs rom 15-20% mosahleoba
sazgvar gared mushaobdes da ase damokidebuli ikos shva kvekanase). seriozul
investicias vin gaaketebs dges sakartvelos ekonomikashi? romeli uchoeli
gaudzlebs mushaobas banditur pirovnebebshi (erti variantia rom chinovniki
cilshi chasva)? halhi aci puls vegar sheitans. mtavrobistvis erti imedia -
krediti. es rogorc vici shevardnadzemac ganachada. es kreditic mavnebelia tu
scored ar gamoikeno. imitom rom igive narkotikia. dges visiamuvnebt da hval
cudi dge dagvadgeba. mtavrobistvis ar vici magram halhistvis marto erti gza
arsebobs - carmoeba da korupciastan ukompromiso brjola. ai zustad amistvis
ar aris mzad dgevandeli mtavroba(da samcuharod mosahleobac romelic "shkola
vijivanias" gadis kovel dge). imitom rom mtavrobashi umetesobas komunisturi
azrovneba akvs. komunisti kidev krtams aris michveuli, cilebs, adgilebis
kidvas da "pokazuhobas". namusi da sakartvelos interesi behebze hkidiat.
>garda amisa fuli samushao adgilebsac gaachenda rom es vinmes
>ainteresebdes.
rogor pikrobt vin upro metia dges sakartveloshi biznesmeni da musha tu
policieli da sukis agenti? am unamusobas hom dacva schirdeba.
>erti sabanko sistema mushaobs uket vidre "okros tasebi" da mistanani.
>meti araferi. magram am "okros tasebma" sinamdvileshi erti saukunit
>ikit gadastsies namdvili sabanko reforma. anu es vitom kargi mushaoba
>aris mochvenebiti da garedan shemosul tanxazea damkarebuli. xalxs
>bankshi fuli ar sheakvs da banki ki xalxis fulis gareshe ris maknisia?
rusetis sisuleleebis kopio aris es kvelaperi da aferistoba.rogorc me vici
normalur kveknebshi aris eseti kanoni: bankebi puls mosahleobisgan rom
igeben 5-6% metis micemis upleba ara akvt. es imitom aris rom bankma es puli
unda atrialos an carmoebashi chados.
tu banki aigebs puls halhisgan 20-50% rogorc hdebada chventan, carmoebas
krediti unda misces 25-70% rom titon rame moigos. verc erti carmoeba eset
kredits ver aigebs. amitom aris es 5-6% barieri mogonili rom pulma
carmoebaze imushaos. ase rom 5-6% mets tu kpirdeba banki es aris aferistoba
da kveknistvis da ekonomikastvis mavne. samcuharod es halhma ar icoda da
mtavrobam "ratomgac" ar auhsna.
>garda amisa turme tu 10 000 ginda sesxad mgoni 100% girao ki ar
>akmakofilebt aramed 100 000 mainc unda chasdo. anu sheni saxli da mteli
>koneba 10 000 tvis. anu sheni cxovreba. vin moaxdina ase kvelafris
>shefaseba? romel kanonebs emkareba es?
banditur kanonebs.
>ekonomikis tvalsazrisit chveni kvekana xuxulas hgavs. da erti sulis
>sheberva da xuxulasavit daingreva.
>samtsuxaro faktia magram garda xelisuflebis gansakutrebuli
>damokidebulebisa, chvens aset mdgomareobas agrmavebs xalxis ucodinroba
>kapitalisturi ekonomikis kanonebisa. anu me vfikrob rom dznelad
>moinaxeba aseti ramis mcodne pirovnebebi sakartveloshi.
mtel msoplioshi moinaha da chventan ara? ras aketebt dasavletshi? gaihed
gamoihedet garshemo. kapitalistebtan kvelapershia chadebuli "zdraviy smisl".
meti araferi. arafris mogoneba ar aris sachiro. demokratiis da ekonomikis
kanonebi ukve mogonilia. idealuri ar aris magram amaze uketesi halhs ar
mougonia. ar arsebobs rom erti kartveli ar moidzebnos rom es kanonebi ar
escavla sadme dasavletshi. am halhs monahva unda da sashvaleba unda mieces
reformebis.
>garda amisa amas emateba aramokalaeobrivi cnobiereba. ak me shens
>sakvarel mokalakeebs ar vgulisxmob. aramokalakeobrivi cnobiereba stsored
>imashi gamoixateba rom rogorc ki xeli xerxze miutsvdebat, egreve im
>totis mochras itskeben romelzedac tviton zian da romelzedac mati
>shtamomavlobis bedia damokidebuli.
>kargad maxsovs, rogor ixdida mteli chveni ubani sinatlis gadasaxads...
>...bodishit am igav-arakis motxrobisatvis, dartsmunebuli var tkvenc araerti
>aseti ambavi gakvt mosatxrobi da ase rom aravis gagkvirvebiat rac
>movkevi, magram sakitxavi isaa tu ratomaa es seni sarevelasavit modebuli
>chvens xalxshi?
mec movtkuvdi erthel roca puli chavabare samachablos ltolvilebistvis da mere
gaerkva rom aferistebi ikvnen.
es ubedureba marto chven ara gvchirs. kvela kopil komunistur kveknebshi
esea. magaze uvaresi hdeba rusetshi imitom rom dges ak umetesobas isev
komunistebi enatreba da archevnebi rom chaataro moigeben. kartvelebs kidev
arasodes aurchevia komunistebi. arc 1918 cels da arc 1992 cels. sul rusetis
dahmarebit gvajdebian tavze. magram ruseti ukve sustia da imedi makvs rom
aci chven momavals chven avirchevt.
>nutu tsesieri diktatori da tsesieri mkveli gvchirdeba rom kanonebi
>davicvat?
>ar vici...
>nana
diktatorebis da mkvlelebis dros ar viscavlet tsesebis dargveva? kovel dge
cesi irgvevoda da adamianis sicochle arafers nishnavda. amas bevri miechvia.
amitom ar ukureb me 1991-92 gadatrialebas ese iolad rogorc zogierti. es iko
pirvel rigshi kanonis dargveva. miuhedavad imisa kargi iko tu cudi. ai rodis
iko sachiro kanonis dacva - roca sakartvelo sahelmciproebit orsulat iko da
gaprthileba schirdeboda rusetis akusherobis dahmarebit aborti gauketes da
daibada debili. aman gamoicvia haosi da banditebis sataveshi mosvla da ara
zviadis "helebis knevam".
Mokithvit Irakly
Godzilla
Godzilla
>>irakly,
>>shentanac vagiareb, rom xandaxan dzalian mcare ena
>>maqvs, magram sxvanairad ar gamodis uimedo xalxtan
>>kamati - bevrjer davrcmundi amashi internetze.
uimedo halhi titkmis ar arsebobs. uimedo konkretulad ras nishnavs? risi
imedi unda kondes halhs magis mimart? magalitad me da levani didhans
vkamatobt da ertmaneti ar gagvilandgia imis miuhedavat rom 99% sakithshi
ertmanets ar vetanhmebit. me sulac ara makvs imedi rom tavis azrs rameshi
shecvlis. levanim isic dacera rom "cqlis nmaqvaa magram, ai pasuhi".
vici rom zogiertebze alergia gakvs magram agresiuloba aravis ar
shvelis.pirikit agresias icvevs.
ai magaliti:
>>vinaidan am jgufshi sichume da mockeniloba dasadgurebula,
>>rogorc es grmadpativcemulma qalbatonma Nana Bukhsianidzem
>>shenishna, gtavazobt ecviot website-s misamartze -
>><http://www.evitech.fi/~giorgig/gr_kgb.html>
>>da gamotkvat azri iq sheqmnili "didebuli" koleqciis taobaze.
>>gansakutrebit saintereso iqneba tqveni azri seqcia
>>"Georgian clergymen"-isa da, agretve, zemoxsenebuli
>>koleqciis "superpatrioti" avtor(eb)is shesaxeb.
>es koleqciac nahet:
>http://www.yi.com/home/GugushviliBessarion/ihfhr_2.html
vici rom shentvis es dznelia, magram aba erthel kidev gadahede am
"kolekciebs" (gansakutrebit meores) da gulahdilat mipasuhe: ar sheidzleba
rom es martali ikos? tu es 100% sicruea marto imitom rom ganshvavebuli
azris
halhma dacera? ikneb namdvilia es politpatimrebis siebi? shen kidev idzahi
moigones. ra fantazia unda konded "superpatriotebs" rom es moigonon?
daupikrdi, tu es tkuili ar aris mashin es halhi martla patriotebia imitom
rom adamianis uplebebis dargvevaze kvirian. tu "ambrosichi" ara har shentvis
sul erti unda ikos romeli partiidan aris es halhi. imitom rom gahsovdes:
dges dolkvadze zis ciheshi da gelbahiani. hval kidev DT-s chasvamen. da
verc erti advokati ver daamtkicebs rom terroristi ara har.
Mokithvit Irakly
Godzilla
apaseb
>mdgomareobas. mxolod imas shegaxseneb rom roca kartveli xalxis sabazro
>ekonomikistvis mzadqopnaze vlaparakob, imas ki ar vgulisxmob rom is
>aranormaluria, aramed mxolod imas rom cheshmaritad tavisupal meurneobastan
>gautvitcnobieris gamo sheijleba kargad ar icodes aseti meurneobis
pujemdebluri
>cnebebi.
saidan sheiscavlis halhi tu pirobebs ar sheukmni? scavlas praktika unda.
sheudzlia dges chveulebriv adamians cahvides bankshi da krediti aigos da
mere krtamebis gareshe rame sakme daitkos? es sxema carmoidgine da kvelapris
imeds dakargav.
>kidev gavimeoreb, ramis arcodna mxolod regvens rcxvenia! ckviani magram
>uvici adamiani grjnobs rom uvicia da cdilobs scavlit datovos uvicta rigebi.
>ogond jer is unda agiaron tavis cinashe rom ragaca sheijeleba scored ar
>esmodet.
getanhmebi absoluturad.
>mtels msoplios rom sheejlos mashin qvela norvegiasavis an amerikasavit
>ikneboda. samcuxarod, msoplios xalxta did umravlesobas jer ver mouxerxebia
>amis migceva. ra akliat?
saberdznets an portugalias davemsgavsot. ar aris sakmarisi? es mainc hom
realuria? ar gvinda norvegia.
>xshirad survili ertia da sinamdvile meore. jaanac rom gindodes am xalxis
>mocileba, imaze unda ipikro ertbashad moshorebis gamo mati gaaptreba
>ramdenad
>saziano ikneba kveqnistvis. araa kargi mati mtavrobashi qopna magram ikneb
>nelnela moxerxdes mati gajeveba. ertbashad da ugnurad gamsaxurdiam cada
>mgeltan shebrjoleba da xom xedav rac mouvida.
ertbashad mocilebas ra sjobia magram getanhmebi rom es ararealuria. mtavaria
is rom kartvelebis umetesobam mihvdes rom mosacilebelia es halhi.
gamsahurdiam ebrdzola mgels ki ara "datvs" da "melias". "mela" "datvis"
gareshe titkmis nolia. rogorc mere gaerkva "datvi" susti kopila da tanac
loti. magram "melia" gvashinebda: davnebdet ,"datvi" modis!!! chven
davijeret (zviadim ara) da ai ra mogvivida .pirvel rigshi chven, da mere
zviads. imitom rom zviadi cavida rogorc tavisupali adamiani. chven kidev
iseti monebi vart rom chveni micis patronebic ara vart dges.
ai ra "zgapari" mogikevi.
Irakly
P.S.
DT, miakcie kuradgeba visi keba-didebit davamtavre es cerili. agresiuloba ar
ikos ogont.
illar...@yahoo.com
>
> saidan sheiscavlis halhi tu pirobebs ar sheukmni? scavlas praktika unda.
> sheudzlia dges chveulebriv adamians cahvides bankshi da krediti aigos da
> mere krtamebis gareshe rame sakme daitkos? es sxema carmoidgine da kvelapris
> imeds dakargav.
It's a typical "Soviet" thinking that someone will do something for you. One
word describes it: "inertia". Nation is destined to be a victim of corruption
(or become source) when they permanently expect something from government...
The biggest reason why US is so efficient is that people are more aggressive
(in a good meaning). And I do not know why you think Norway is comparable to
US. Comparing any European country (even with the most efficient economy -
UK) with US is like comparing apples and oranges. Europe is socialized! Lazy
and too expensive european workforce has become legend!
>
> >mtels msoplios rom sheejlos mashin qvela norvegiasavis an amerikasavit
> >ikneboda. samcuxarod, msoplios xalxta did umravlesobas jer ver mouxerxebia
> >amis migceva. ra akliat?
>
> saberdznets an portugalias davemsgavsot. ar aris sakmarisi? es mainc hom
> realuria? ar gvinda norvegia.
>
> >xshirad survili ertia da sinamdvile meore. jaanac rom gindodes am xalxis
> >mocileba, imaze unda ipikro ertbashad moshorebis gamo mati gaaptreba
> >ramdenad
> >saziano ikneba kveqnistvis. araa kargi mati mtavrobashi qopna magram ikneb
> >nelnela moxerxdes mati gajeveba. ertbashad da ugnurad gamsaxurdiam cada
> >mgeltan shebrjoleba da xom xedav rac mouvida.
>
> ertbashad mocilebas ra sjobia magram getanhmebi rom es ararealuria. mtavaria
> is rom kartvelebis umetesobam mihvdes rom mosacilebelia es halhi.
> gamsahurdiam ebrdzola mgels ki ara "datvs" da "melias". "mela" "datvis"
> gareshe titkmis nolia. rogorc mere gaerkva "datvi" susti kopila da tanac
> loti. magram "melia" gvashinebda: davnebdet ,"datvi" modis!!! chven
> davijeret (zviadim ara) da ai ra mogvivida .pirvel rigshi chven, da mere
> zviads. imitom rom zviadi cavida rogorc tavisupali adamiani. chven kidev
> iseti monebi vart rom chveni micis patronebic ara vart dges.
> ai ra "zgapari" mogikevi.
>
> Irakly
>
> P.S.
> DT, miakcie kuradgeba visi keba-didebit davamtavre es cerili. agresiuloba ar
> ikos ogont.
>
>
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mtlad gulareuli,
levan kverencxilaje
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Godzilla
You are wrong. I am not "homo sovetikus".
>It's a typical "Soviet" thinking that someone will do something for you.
One
>word describes it: "inertia". Nation is destined to be a victim of
corruption
>(or become source) when they permanently expect something from
government...
I don't expect anything from government . I think we must to
compel our
goverment to do reforms. It's not "inertia". You did not understand me
right.
>The biggest reason why US is so efficient is that people are more
aggressive
>(in a good meaning). And I do not know why you think Norway is comparable
to
>US. Comparing any European country (even with the most efficient economy -
>UK) with US is like comparing apples and oranges. Europe is socialized!
Lazy
>and too expensive european workforce has become legend!
May be Europe is socialized, but it is not socialism. Today the georgian
economik system rather is comparable to socialism mixed with criminal.
Excuse me for my english
Yours sincerely
Irakly
Godzilla
lev...@my-dejanews.com
Nana Bukhsianidze <gr...@meridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> gasagebia rasac ambob. araa kargi tu vinmes sdzaludzs tserilebis
> tsashla.[..]umravlesobam ki martla moitsona
nana
amrevi da piraduli sheuracxqopis mimqenebeli adamianebis gajevebas
diaxac rom vucer mxars, magram satanado cesebis shekmnis, monacileta
mier kencis qris da mati dacvis sapujvelze.
>ramdenad nishnavs es rom moitsones moderatori ar vici. me mgoni es sxvadasxva
> movlenebia da ertidaigives ar nishnavs.
ra tkma unda sxvadasxvaa, da tavad besikic ambobs camqvani ar varo.
mashin mitumetes sagangashoa mis mier ceriliebis cashla, radgan es saerto
shetanxmebis da newsjgupis cesebis moconebis gareshe moxda. mitumetes
sheuracxmqopelia besiks rom meindo es sakme. besikis ethikurad
umartebulo sakcielis mraval sabuts tavad besiki gvacvdis da tanac is
mjgavndeba rom amis gamo sircxvilis grjnobac ki ar akvs.
> me mgoni mcodne pirovnebebs unda vkitxot ramdenadaa es shesadzlebeli da ra
>informacias flobs igi.
mec magas vcdilob amjamad da tu vinmes sheujlia daxmareba movucodeb
gvacnobos.
> imitom rom ar velodi rom
> is aset xerxs mimartavda. ra shachiro iko adamianis sruli ganiarageba
> mastan brdzolis mosagebad?
oh nana, me mgoni besikma mravaljer gvachvena rom aseti rameze mcqralad araa.
kidev ertxel gavimeoreb rom dimitri regvens ki ar vicav aramed am jgupis
girsebas. aravis ara akvs upleba am gjupis monacileebis gverdis avlit
sheepotinos cerilebis cashlis sakitxs. mitumetes agmashpotebeli roca amas
saechvo ethikis adamni axerxebs romlemac ertxel ukve moipara sxvisi
namushevari, akaoda sakartvelos saketildgeod.
besikma icodes, sakartvelos interesebis 'dasacavad' chvens sheuracxopas
me pidarad ar vapatieb da imas ar vapikrebineb vinmes naxet ras itanen
kartul jgupshio. qvelas igives movucodeb.
levani
Godzilla
>samcuxarod imdeni dro ara maqvs, rom kvela tqveni
>cerili cavikitxo, pasuxistvis mitumetes:-) gamocdebs
>rom movrchebi, mere sheidzleba... amjerad mxolod erti
>shenishvna, rasac tvali movkari: godzillas mokvanili
>cifrebi da ekonomikuri argumentebi, rbilad rom vtqva,
>arakoreqtulia. Godzilla, tu martla gainteresebs ra
>xdeba qartul, da saertod ekonomikashi, shedi
><http://www.georgia.net.ge/geplac/>-ze da GET-is bolo
>nomrebi amobechde. GET-ic agenti ar gegonos:-), eg
>masalebi sakmaod zustia, tu damijereb:-)
chemi mizani ar iko zusti cifrebis mokvana. ubralod me ese vhedav krizisis
mizezs.
tu chemi argumentebi ar aris koreqtuli (rasac ra tkma unda ar gamovrichav)
mashin sheni argumentebi moikvane da konkretulad rashi ar metanhmebi. ratom
mohda sheni azrit sakartveloshi
krizisi? velodebi pasuhs. tu ginda gamocdebis mere mipasuhe. arsad
mechkareba.
Irakly
WebMaster
lev...@my-dejanews.com пишет в сообщении <74jic6$ef$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
...>> B.S. (old) - es satanado shetanxmeba shengan xom ar unda amego???
>> amis shesaxeb kvelam itsoda da xmats aravis ar amougia,
>
>rodis moxda es shetanxmeba da ranairad moaxerxe cerilebis cashla?
>ai es mainteresebs da mipasuxe getaqva.
===============================
Besiki - me ukve agixseni aravitari shetanxmeba da xelshekruleba me ar
damidvia aravistan. chvens jgufs rom shvela schirdeboda me tavad avige es
"dzalaufleba" xelshi. ratom? imitom rom pirveli - "jadoqris" shemokvana me
damabrales ramodenime tsevrma; da meore - mgonia rom mxolod me maqvs sakmao
tsodna "JAVA script-isa" da saertod kompiuteruli tsodnisa, rom es
gameketebina. amas sxva ver gaaketebda (ertis garda).
tu ranairad movaxerxe amis gaketeba mapatie da amas ver gastsavli, rametu
vshishob rodesme vnebebs akvebi da daitskeb kvela "sxvanairad" moazrovnes
tserilebis tsashlas. mat shoris mets viqnebi albat:)
===================================
>
>> B.S.(old) - ukmarti gagebis mqone ratom var, shennairad rom ar vfiqrob???
tu,
>> shennairad rom ar vlandzgav xalxs???
>
>besik imitom xar ukugmarti da mcdari gagebis rom ai amas ambob:
=====================
Besiki - ar aris logikuri tqveni msjeloba...
==============================
>
>> B.S. - ra gadardebs ase Levan sheni tserilebi da sxva qartvelebis
tserilebi
>> ar tsamishlia da nervebs tsinastsar ratom ishli.
>
>adre varaudi gamovtkvi axla ki ashkaraa rom es kaci erovnul sapujvelze
>diskriminaciazes ar ixevs ukan. gana aseti shexedulebebis adamians unda
>sheejlos am jgupshi raime cerilis cashla? ase davkarget piradi girseba?
============================
Besiki - ufroda ufro shordebit chesmaritebas... nationalistobaga meklda da
esats damabrale. "jadoqris" tserilebi imotom ki ar tsavshale aqedan rom is
rusi an tatari iko, aramed aiklo aqauroba misma tserilebma (romelits
saqartvelos saertod ar exeboda). tserilebi romelits savse iko shovinizmit,
sakartvelos landzgva-ginebit. ai aset kats ifarav patrioto...
=================================
>> B.S. - arasodes ar gamxdara es jgufi tsamkvaniani da arts gaxdeba. rats
>> sheexeba chems qmedebas shens garda kvelam moitsona.
>
>kargi batono. magram cerilebis cashla rogro moxda? amis _gza_ >amixseni
>getaqva.
=====================
Besiki - amas ver gastsavli. mizezi ukve agixseni, ver vamkareb tqvenze
ndobas rametu vnebebs emorchilebit da xshirad landzgavt xalxs tkuilubralod.
tu amas ase ar fiqrob, gadaxede tqvens tserilebs tavidan (chems mier
motserili tserilebi kmara) da amashi dartsmundebi. ert sxvis shetsdomas
ustsoreb piradi ati shetsdomit...
bodishs mogixdit.
==============================
>
>> mgoni martla sjobs "jadoqari" dagvibrundes vidre sheni gesliani tserilebi
>>vikitxot...
>
>arc erti da arc meore, mxolod is unda dadgindes rogor moaxere ceriliebis
>cashla da rogor ailagmos shens mier amis momavlashi gaketebis
shesajlebloba.
======================
Besiki - datsknardit Levan, tkuilubralot nu dardobt. vitsi geshinia rom
shens tserilebi "amgvar siashi" xvdeba, magram me ar vapireb amis gaketebas,
rametu arakatsuri mgonia (zogiert shemtxvevis garda).
tsere rats ginda, tugind shemzets, verafrit veravis ver gaakvirvebt rametu
tavad ufro shegelaxebat saxeli. me ki tqveni azri ukve agar mainteresebs
rametu rogorts ukve agixseni simartlets kargavs tavis girsebas tu dzaladobit
xdeba misi danergva...
==========================
>
>> tu dzaan ginda amaze
>> pasuxi, mogaxseneb rom chveni jgufi chems xelshi iqneba es rom mindodes.
>
>xalxno ratom vabedinebt zneobriv kompas areul adamians amis tkmas?
>kaci ilia meores mier kartvelta maoxrebelis monatlvas icavs da ijaxis
>sxvas vtelav shen ra kuci gecviso.
==================
Besiki - me ki ar vitsav aravis aramed kanoni shegaxsenet (ufro stsored
gastsavlet) natlobis arsisa. es kanoni ieso qristes dadgenilia da tu amas ar
etanxmebit ugmerto adamians ufro daemsgavsebit vidre raime patriots.
vimeoreb, kanoni ki asetia: "aravis ar aaqvs ufleba daabrkolos adamiani
natlobisagan"; ramdenadats kvela adamiani tsodvilia amitom kvelas edzlevat
ufleba montvlisa da monaniebisa. saertod ki davamateb rom vinam raime azrs
shemogvtavazebde kargad tsaikitxo tserili da misi arsi...
====================
>am adamians nagavs ar vandob! mash ratom vimcirebt tavs ise >rom mas
vandobt
>jgupis gacmendas. ikneb vinmem tkvas, indoel miukarebelta msgavsad
>mjoris mosashoreblad besiki vargia mxolod, masze mets amas veravis
vakadrebto.
>magram es ase aara, am shemtxvevashi mainc. mash ratom ar vimaglebt xmas
roca
>es samarcxvino azrebis mkone kaci igdebs xelshi potenciurad metad
>jlier iarags. gana jaba ioselianis magalitma araperi gvascavla?
>mtlad gulareuli,
>levan kverencxilaje
==================
Besiki - Levan shen ragatsas gamomtkueb. ukve mogaxsene rom imis magivrad
rom logikurad imsjelo pirad sheuratskofas akeneb kvelas vints shens azrebs
ar etanxmeba. es ase ar aris dzmao.
tavi damanebe tu dzma xar, vinam tskobilebidan ar gamovsulvar.
gul areuli ki martla xar:) didi xania aseti simartle ar gitqvia ...
=================
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> I did not mean you. I meant majority of the nation. Every nation deserves
> government it has. Consider this: What is the source of problems in Georgia
> and other NIS countries? BUDGET DEFICIT! What's a cure? Either increase
> earnigns(tax collection) or decrease costs(mostly financing of inefficient
> government enterprises).
Also, the ratio export versus import is rediculously small number, which
means that there is no production and real jobs in Georgia. I am not
economist, but I see that even in the best situation when everybody pays
taxes if there won't be any private sector, I doubt that goverment could
feed all population through taxes. If I am wrong correct me please. I
find this very interesting topic for conversation.
>Why government is not taking these measures?
> BECAUSE THEY ARE UNPOPULAR! Why? ????????????????? Any thoughts?
>
> I can't agree with you that European countries are not socialistic.
This is very very interesting. Please tell us what are the socialistic
features of European countries? I guess a lot of readers already know
but I don't.
> Especially Germany, France, Spain, Scandinavian countries...They would not be
> better off than Georgia if they had the same level of corruption and
> criminal.
My conclusions are following: economical stucture of a country is of
course very important, but the most important factor is the culture of a
nation or nations living in a country. Every culture finds the way to
adjust to certain economical structure in some way.
Well, let's compare the systme of heritage working in certain cultures.
As all of us know Socializm was not based on anything close what would
admit proporty or heritage, but the cultures living in SU were based on
this system. Let's be honest, could socializm destroy heritage system?
Only partially. Everybody whom I knew get appartments, and lands from
their fathers and mothers just for free. There actually was no homeless
person if they had alive parents and no parent needed nursing home as a
result.
Now let's compare to the picture in US. Heratage exists of course but in
a more changed manner. You could get something only after the death of
your parent and may be all proporty will be left to favorite cat but not
to you. In my oppinion this last example would be much closer to the
dream of socialists, but it is not socializm at all. It is culture.
Why I chosed this example? Because it is close to the origination of
proporty and society. it is basic like bread and water.
So, if under certain system one nation lives great but the second dies
in corruption is not the weakness of a structure, it is culture what
casues the problem. Could we be sure that there won't be corruption
(gifts, favores, presents, the twisted ways of appriciation...) in
capitalizm?
If the culture remains the same, what could it change?
I know I sound very pessimistic but I am affreid I am quite realistic
too.
BTW, as I found out that there is a big sale in Georgia!!! The products
presented are profitable positions. If you have 1000, you could get very
important post somewhere.
When I learnt this I felt absolutely stupid. And very angry too.
As I see, positions are understood as good nice eggs given by the red
hen of someone's grandmother. Let's pretend that we are the society!!!
Nana
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> In article <366CAA...@meridianworldservices.com>,
> Nana Bukhsianidze <gr...@meridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> > levan;
> > gasagebia rasac ambob. araa kargi tu vinmes sdzaludzs tserilebis
> > tsashla.
> > tu martla tsashala, mashin getanxmebi rom unda gairkves saidan miigo es
> > informacia da ratom unda hkondes mas exclusiuri ufleba tu unari
> > tserilebi shalos tavisi survilis mixedvit.
>
> ar aris sachiro rom es gavaketo. sakmarisia kargad itsode HTML da JAVA rom es
> gaaketo. amis gaketeba shents shegidzlia tsota rom gargad flobde am enebs.
> araferi sheitsvleba tqveni agshfotebit. is tsodna rats me maqvs am dargshi
> ver daivitskeba. amis gaketeba shemidzlia nebismieri kompiuteridan da
> nebismieri saxelit ase da kovelive es aravitar kavshirs ar amkarebs NG
> serveris xelmdzgvanelobastan tanamshromlobtan.
> ==================================================
besik HTML ase tu ise vici, dzalian gtxov mastsavlo rogor moaxrxe am
dimitris sterilebis tsashla? shens servers romc ikenebdes ara mgonia
serveris administratortan megobrobde and tviton iko severis
administratori. dzalian sainteresoa tu visitoris doneze sheidzleba
ertmanetis tserilebis tsashla. gvastsavle erti da avshendebit kvela.
levansac ainteresebs es sakitxi. :-)
damimtkice rom vizitoris doneze shli tserilebs da tsashale chemi sterili
dzalian gtxov. avdgebi da mec visstavli mashin mag profesias.
kidev raa ak gaugebari? jadokars ki ar mistiris levani aramed ashfotebs
is fakti rom sheidzleba vinmes xeli miutsvdebodes nebismieri tserilis
tsashlaze. rac absoluturad arademokratiulia.
Nana
tu am tserls ver vixilac NG-shi mashin davrtsmundebi rom martla
shegidzlia tsashla.
ise ara mjera.
illar...@yahoo.com
government it has. Consider this: What is the source of problems in Georgia
and other NIS countries? BUDGET DEFICIT! What's a cure? Either increase
earnigns(tax collection) or decrease costs(mostly financing of inefficient
BECAUSE THEY ARE UNPOPULAR! Why? ????????????????? Any thoughts?
I can't agree with you that European countries are not socialistic.
Especially Germany, France, Spain, Scandinavian countries...They would not be
better off than Georgia if they had the same level of corruption and
criminal.
Anyway, nothing personal was intended when I wrote this and my previous
message.
Regards,
In article <74jppo$7u2$1...@news.sovam.com>,
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ekl...@socantel.net
> nana
> amrevi da piraduli sheuracxqopis mimqenebeli adamianebis gajevebas
> diaxac rom vucer mxars, magram satanado cesebis shekmnis, monacileta
> mier kencis qris da mati dacvis sapujvelze.
>
> >ramdenad nishnavs es rom moitsones moderatori ar vici. me mgoni es sxvadasxva
> > movlenebia da ertidaigives ar nishnavs.
>
> ra tkma unda sxvadasxvaa, da tavad besikic ambobs camqvani ar varo.
> mashin mitumetes sagangashoa mis mier ceriliebis cashla, radgan es saerto
> shetanxmebis da newsjgupis cesebis moconebis gareshe moxda. mitumetes
> sheuracxmqopelia besiks rom meindo es sakme. besikis ethikurad
> umartebulo sakcielis mraval sabuts tavad besiki gvacvdis da tanac is
> mjgavndeba rom amis gamo sircxvilis grjnobac ki ar akvs.
==========================
Besiki - Levan ratom aris sheuratskmfobeli rom chemtvis moendot es saqme. shen
kvlav agrdzeleb landzgva-ginebas im adamianis mimart romelsats ar stsnob
saertod da mxolod imitom rom shennairad ar fiqrobs. bolo dros momechvena rom
shen patara bavshvivit msjelob ukve. ramdeni tslisa xar??? rogorts ertma
chvennma tanamemamulem agnishna "axalgazrda ki dagvindeba, magram papistola
kats ki agaraferi ar eshveleba". memgoni es shen gexeba da adastureb amis
cheshmaritebas. uazroa sheni sheshfoteba da saqtsieli. kvlav geubnebi
datsknardi. tu shen ginda am NG xelmdzgvaneloba mxolod gvitxari da am
survilsats agisrulebt. me piradad davucher mxars chens kandidatobas. shen xom
gamoirchevi magali sulierid da mtkitse xasiatit...
mxars ki dagicher magram vfiqrob ver gaamartleb am tanamdebobas. rametu
elementaruli tsodna ara gaqvs HTML da JAVA script-isa. me ki shens
mastsavleblobas ar vapireb, rametu ar mikvars tavdajerebuli da uzrdeli
bavshvebi:)
=========================================
>
> > me mgoni mcodne pirovnebebs unda vkitxot ramdenadaa es shesadzlebeli da ra
> >informacias flobs igi.
>
> mec magas vcdilob amjamad da tu vinmes sheujlia daxmareba movucodeb
> gvacnobos.
=================================
Besiki - tqveni erti daudevari nabiji da chveni NG-its gauqmdeba... UPSS, mere
ki namdvilad dagerqmeva "patriotis" saxeli....
=====================================================
> > imitom rom ar velodi rom
> > is aset xerxs mimartavda. ra shachiro iko adamianis sruli ganiarageba
> > mastan brdzolis mosagebad?
>
> oh nana, me mgoni besikma mravaljer gvachvena rom aseti rameze mcqralad araa.
> kidev ertxel gavimeoreb rom dimitri regvens ki ar vicav aramed am jgupis
> girsebas. aravis ara akvs upleba am gjupis monacileebis gverdis avlit
> sheepotinos cerilebis cashlis sakitxs. mitumetes agmashpotebeli roca
amas
> saechvo ethikis adamni axerxebs romlemac ertxel ukve moipara sxvisi
> namushevari, akaoda sakartvelos saketildgeod.
>
> besikma icodes, sakartvelos interesebis 'dasacavad' chvens sheuracxopas
> me pidarad ar vapatieb da imas ar vapikrebineb vinmes naxet ras itanen
> kartul jgupshio. qvelas igives movucodeb.
> levani
=========================
Besiki - ra unda gelaparako, uazrod landzgav xalxs... vitsit ra brdzeni
adamianits brdzandebit vagiarebt shens patriotobasa da nichs. koveli sheni
tserili aris kbena chems mimart, ratom??? amit xom ar artsmuneb xalxs rom shen
martali xar. rats ginda is ikavi da rats ginda is midzaxe, amit verafers ver
damakleb. erts ki getkvi rom tavi damanebo...
=========================================================
ekl...@socantel.net
Nana Bukhsianidze <gr...@meridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> lev...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> levan;
> gasagebia rasac ambob. araa kargi tu vinmes sdzaludzs tserilebis
> tsashla.
> ragacatom ara mgonia rom mas martla tsaeshalos es tserilebi.
> tu martla tsashala, mashin getanxmebi rom unda gairkves saidan miigo es
> informacia da ratom unda hkondes mas exclusiuri ufleba tu unari
> tserilebi shalos tavisi survilis mixedvit.
================================ Besiki - Nana, aravitari informatsiis migeba
ar aris sachiro rom es gavaketo. sakmarisia kargad itsode HTML da JAVA rom es
gaaketo. amis gaketeba shents shegidzlia tsota rom gargad flobde am enebs.
araferi sheitsvleba tqveni agshfotebit. is tsodna rats me maqvs am dargshi
ver daivitskeba. amis gaketeba shemidzlia nebismieri kompiuteridan da
nebismieri saxelit ase da kovelive es aravitar kavshirs ar amkarebs NG
serveris xelmdzgvanelobastan tanamshromlobtan.
==================================================
> kargad maxsovs ise rom laparaki iko moderatoris aucileblobaze.
> zogiertebi daetanxmnen am azrs. umravlesobam ki martla moitsona
> jadokartan brdzolis ragac gzebis gamonaxvis aucilebloba. ramdenad
> nishnavs es rom moitsones moderatori ar vici. me mgoni es sxvadasxva
> movlenebia da ertidaigives ar nishnavs.
> magram levan davushvat da besiks martla miutsvdeba xeli aset rameze, me
> mgoni amas ver mouvli ase shekitxvebis dasmit. me mgoni mcodne
> pirovnebebs unda vkitxot ramdenadaa es shesadzlebeli da ra informacias
> flobs igi. mere vnaxot vin iko am informaciis tskaro da movitxovot rom
> shecvalos ragac ragaceebi, rom kidev ar gaxdes shesadzelebeli rigiti
> tsevris mier sxvisi tserilebis tsashla.
> kvela asaxelebs vigac irens gvari damavitskda, nutu man misca mteli
> informacia besiks?
> ise besik, tkvi martla tsashale am jadokris tserilebi?
==================================
Besiki - me arasodes ar vitkuilebi (xumrobis garda). ra aris gaurkveveli jer
kidev vera vxvdebi. me ukve vagiare rom misi ramodenime tserili tsavshale. es
ki sakmaria. "jadoqari" daigala da migvatova. madlobis magier ki ai es mivige.
mgonia jadoqrebi mogenatrat. am survilsats shegisrulebt mxolod mitxarit.
=================================================
> me vfikrob rom amas adgili ar hkonia da sanerviuloc araferia.
> tumca mortsmune kaci albat ar unda itkuebodes. tu besiki ar itkueba
> mashin gamodis martla staushlia, rac maocebs. imitom rom ar velodi rom
> is aset xerxs mimartavda. ra shachiro iko adamianis sruli ganiarageba
> mastan brdzolis mosagebad?
> nana
=======================
Besiki - No more comments...
Godzilla
>government it has. Consider this: What is the source of problems in
Georgia
>and other NIS countries? BUDGET DEFICIT! What's a cure? Either increase
>earnigns(tax collection) or decrease costs(mostly financing of inefficient
>government enterprises). Why government is not taking these measures?
>BECAUSE THEY ARE UNPOPULAR! Why? ????????????????? Any thoughts?
I agree with you. It is our main promlem. Absence of national trust.
Unpopular government can't remove country from crizis. Likely we really
deserve it.
>I can't agree with you that European countries are not socialistic.
>Especially Germany, France, Spain, Scandinavian countries...They would not
be
>better off than Georgia if they had the same level of corruption and
>criminal.
These countries are socialistic. There is not our "native" socialism. They
are different concepts.
Unfortunately, we have highest level of corruption and criminal. I wrote
about this not once.
>Anyway, nothing personal was intended when I wrote this and my previous
>message.
Ok. I am understood.
Irakly
na...@my-dejanews.com
Besik, morchi celqobas! rom idzaxi jadoqari gavagdeo, neta rogor izamdi magas?
moderatori xar? tu misi message-bis cashla shegidzlia e.i. shen kopilxar
jadoqari :-) html-is anda "javas" codna araa sakmarisi.
caikitxe
http://www.netannounce.org/news.announce.newusers/archive/usenet/what-is/part1
imedia saintereso iqneba.
soc.culture.rep-of-georgia unmoderated ng-ia. ise ar xdeba rom erti adamiani
tavisi survilit uceb arsebuli ng-s moderatori gaxdeba. Me piradad
mocinaaghmdege var rom sakartvelos ng-s moderatori hkavdes, amitom ar minda
detalebwi gadavardna :-) visac ainteresebs = tavisi gamokvleva chaataros.
aseve cancel-is shesaxeb - Besiks weudzlia tavisi postingis canceli, magram
sxvisi, tundac kvelastvis "sakvareli" jadoqris postigis canceli advili ar
aris, da html amashi namdvilad ver daexmareba :-)
Marika
David Chelidze
namdvilad mikvirs ase sheumchnevlad rogor midis es diskusia. miuxedavad
chemi gadatvirtuli ganrigisa valdebulad vtvli tavs chemi azri gamovtkva
amis shesaxeb.
WebMaster wrote:
> Besiki - me ukve agixseni aravitari shetanxmeba da xelshekruleba me ar
> damidvia aravistan. chvens jgufs rom shvela schirdeboda me tavad avige es
> "dzalaufleba" xelshi.
dzalian didi bodishi, magram vin ggonia sheni tavi, besik? dzalaupleba
aige xelshi? nutu martla ggonia rom ase kargad archev shavs tetrisagan
rom kvelas magivrad shegidzlia imokmedo (chveni sakoveltao ketildgeobis
miznit)? vera xedav da kristian kats tavi gmerttan gagistsorebia ...
> ratom? imitom rom pirveli - "jadoqris" shemokvana me
> damabrales ramodenime tsevrma; da meore - mgonia rom mxolod me maqvs sakmao
> tsodna "JAVA script-isa" da saertod kompiuteruli tsodnisa, rom es
> gameketebina. amas sxva ver gaaketebda (ertis garda).
kidev ertxel shegekitxebi, vin ggonia sheni tavi, bidziko? baton renos
sitkvebs movishveliebdi ak magram jerjerobit vikaveb tavs. xalxno,
stknarad vikot torem besiki agchurvili tavisi JAVA scriptita da
komputeruli tsodnit, daamate amas misi sakoveltaod tsnobili internetis
moraluri kanonebis pativistsema, sakmaod didi dzalas tsarmoadgens. vai
chvens beds...
> tu ranairad movaxerxe amis gaketeba mapatie da amas ver gastsavli, rametu
> vshishob rodesme vnebebs akvebi da daitskeb kvela "sxvanairad" moazrovnes
> tserilebis tsashlas. mat shoris mets viqnebi albat:)
kvelas gvchirdeba shengan ganatleba, besik. dagvde pativi da agvixsen
tvalebi im udides saotsrebaze rasats hkvia JAVA scripti da komputeris
amomtsuravi tsodna. moige motskaleba mokvdavta tavze da ara marto
dagvitsvi koveli momxdurisagan tu ubedurebisagan aramed agvchurve sheni
tsodnit rom shemdgomshi ar motsde upro mnishvnelovan sakmeebs da chven
tviton davtset zurgshi dana mters!
> Besiki - ar aris logikuri tqveni msjeloba...
amas sheni sheuvali logikit amtkitseb, besik!
> Besiki - ufroda ufro shordebit chesmaritebas... nationalistobaga meklda da
> esats damabrale. "jadoqris" tserilebi imotom ki ar tsavshale aqedan rom is
> rusi an tatari iko, aramed aiklo aqauroba misma tserilebma (romelits
> saqartvelos saertod ar exeboda). tserilebi romelits savse iko shovinizmit,
> sakartvelos landzgva-ginebit. ai aset kats ifarav patrioto...
besik, dzalian gtxov kvelapers ukugma nu atrialeb. "jadokris" tserilebis
tsashlis ARAVITARI kanonieri da moraluri upleba shen ar gkonda da
ARAVITARI gamartleba mag saktsiels ar moedzebneba (tvit sakartvelo
ketildgeobats). levani "jadokars" ki ar itsavs aramed internetis
sakoveltaod tsnobil da migebul kanonebsa da moralur normebs -- romlebis
absolutur artsodnasa da ignoninerbas amjgavneb am jgupshi koveldge. ise,
levanisa da nanas garda aravin gepasuxeba da albat migachnia kvela
danarcheni gitsonebs shens saktsiels. me piradad did protests gamovtkvam
amastan dakavshirebit da movutsodeb kvelas visats gaachnia kidev is
mokalakeobrivi grdznoba romelzedats nanam ase gamomxatavad ilaparaka
gamotkvas tavisi azri amis shesaxeb. da tu kmedeba ikneba sachiro ikneb
moinaxos vinme "with superior computer knowledge to deal with the
problem" :)
> Besiki - ert sxvis shetsdomas ustsoreb piradi ati shetsdomit...
vitom? egeb pirikit?
> Besiki - datsknardit Levan, tkuilubralot nu dardobt. vitsi geshinia rom
> shens tserilebi "amgvar siashi" xvdeba, magram me ar vapireb amis gaketebas,
> rametu arakatsuri mgonia (zogiert shemtxvevis garda).
> tsere rats ginda, tugind shemzets, verafrit veravis ver gaakvirvebt rametu
> tavad ufro shegelaxebat saxeli. me ki tqveni azri ukve agar mainteresebs
> rametu rogorts ukve agixseni simartlets kargavs tavis girsebas tu dzaladobit
> xdeba misi danergva...
besik, nutu kitxulob shens tserilebs da mere agzavni ak? tavis girsebis
shelaxvaze arapers vilaparakeb, magram ase sajarod aseti utiprobisa da
uvitsobis gamotana nametania, getakva!
> >> tu dzaan ginda amaze
> >> pasuxi, mogaxseneb rom chveni jgufi chems xelshi iqneba es rom mindodes.
aki vtkvi chumad vikot torem ertxelats ikneba da gagvibrazdeba DIDI
BESIKI da mere vai chvens brals!!! besik, tu am jgupis gaukmeba
dagisaxavs miznad tkvi ase da moeshvi mikib-mokibvas: ogeond itsode:
piradad me ubrdzolvelad ar dagnebdebi da arts am jgupis uzurpatsias ar
daganebeb. ar gegonos gishvelos sheni JAVA scriptis uzado tsodnam:)
> Besiki - saertod ki davamateb rom vinam raime azrs
> shemogvtavazebde kargad tsaikitxo tserili da misi arsi...
imedia sakutar rchevas maits mikvebi momavalshi...
> Besiki - tavi damanebe tu dzma xar, vinam tskobilebidan ar gamovsulvar.
ise, levan, ar geshinia besiki tskobidan rom gamovides???
dagonebuli da imedit savse, chelo
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> David Chelidze wrote:
>
> > baton renos
> > sitkvebs movishveliebdi ak magram jerjerobit vikaveb tavs.
>
> mogvevlineboda, rogorc computeruli experti.Magram misi cerili, romelic
> upro adre gamochnda, profesionalis pasuxs ar sheicavda. Am dros ki Nanam
> rogorc chans (WebMaster-is cerilidan gamomdinare) Besiki gamoicvia
> tatamze: Aba, tu bichi xar chemi cerili cashaleo. Vai rom Nanas cerili
> martla agar ikitxeba (chemi computeridan kovel shemtkvevashi).
arc chemidan ar ikitxeba.
gamodis ar itkueboda. es sxvatashoris cudi araa mistvis matkuara ar
kofila. :-) chven ki namdvilad davrtsmundit im faktshi rom informacia
romelic vinmes amis sashualebas adzlevs besikis xelshia da albat ara
marto mis xelshi. ramodenime serverze zis NG-o, ra vici etkoba arc ise
bevrze da besiki kvelgan axerxebs shegtsevas.
rogorc schans es ng araa ise shekmnili rogorc chemi informaciis
tskaroebi amboben. java scriptit da html-it tsavshaleo rom ambobs besiki
me mgoni acharbebs. HTML_it tsashlili tserili sad gagonila? ra es misi
daarsebuli website xom araa? :-) etkoba besikma cota meti icis vidre
HTML da ragacatom ar amxelda.
ise rogorc schans irenisagan gaigo ragac informacia. me ase
gadavtskvite. hkonda tu ara am kalbatons amis ufleba es kidev
sakitxavia. tumca ara var srulebit dartsmunebuli amashi
nana
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> >me piradad did protests gamovtkvam
> >amastan dakavshirebit da movutsodeb kvelas visats gaachnia kidev is
> >mokalakeobrivi grdznoba romelzedats nanam ase gamomxatavad ilaparaka
> >gamotkvas tavisi azri amis shesaxeb.
>
> akvs. imitom mivmarte besics rom DT-s cerilebi cashalos. vipikre rom orives
> gavashakirebdi. shvata shoris DT-m daijera da chem thovnas "peticia" ucoda.
> kvelanaeri cenzuris cinaamdegi var da protests vuertdebi. magram cenzura
> arsebobs shva formebshic. magalitat ertmanetis sidzulvili rasac mohqveba
> mere landzgva da gineba. amis mere sheurackobil halhs am NGis danahvac ar
> undat. levanis postingshi mokvanilia es magalitebi. samcuharot es isev
> besiktan dakavshirebuli magalitebia (sinamdvileshi es marto magas ar eheba).
> ertmanets unda mousminot da tu ver itant adamianis azrebs an argumentulad
> auhsenit ratom, an tu gezarebat(an argumentebi ara gakvt) saertod ar
> upasuhot.
> besiki ar aris martali magram tkven ise atsvebit rom bolos saertod gaagdebt
> am NG-an. imis miuhedavat rom me besiks ar vetanhmebi bevr sakithshi da
> magisi azrebi chemtvis aris miugebeli me ara var amisi momhre. es isetive
> miugebelia rogorc cerilebis cashla.
>
> Irakly
martalia irakli kacis gagdeba NG-dan arafrit ar chamouvardeba tserilebis
tsashlas. is ki ara dzaladobas hgavs.
mec getanxmebi sul megona rom xumrobda, tumca bolomde ar vikavi
dartsmunebuli. me tvit besikma chamakena sakmis kursshi rodesac vikitxe
tu ratom momivida tserili ukan. man amixsna rom ase ebrdzoda iaponiis da
shvedetis ambebis talgas romelic volshebnikisagan modioda. da mtxova rom
NG-s garet mepasuxebia mistvis tu amas sachirod chavtvlidi. NG sashinel
dgeshi iko mashin.
axla dafikrebuli var imaze rom shesadzloa am tserilebis tsashla arc ise
dzneli sakmea da tkuilubralod akvs es sharavandedi. imitom rom marto
java scriptit da html-it sheiaragebul kacs tu amis gaketeba sheudzlia es
imas nishnavs rom arc ise dzneli kofila. tuki kvela chventagans tu es
ainteresebs sheudzlia cota gaindzres da tsashla istavlos (html-is
stavlas 1 kvirac ar unda) mashin arc iseti dzalauflebis patroni besiki
ar gamodis. cxadia rom mis gasalandzgad datseril tserilebs ar shlis,
eseigi tavisi interesebis dasakmakofileblad namdvilad ar ikenebs am "iol
xerxs".
amaze rom davfikrdi sul sxvagvarad davinaxe es problema. tuki tserilebis
tsashla cut da copy-s donis problemas tsarmoadgens gasakviri araa rom im
jadokarze bolosdabols sulma tsasdzila rom sheeshinebina.
chven ki vinaidan jer ar vicit tu ra advilia es sakme sashinelebad
tsarmovidginet.
mainteresebs amixsnat axlos var tu ara cheshmaritebastan.
protests vuertdebi, dagvifare besik cenzurisagan! :-)
xolo isic gagvagebie tu ra sirtulis amocanaa tserilis tsashla?
administratoris da moderatoris poziciashi gakenebs es tu vizitoris
doneze axerxeb amis gaketebas?
nana
P.S.
sxvatashoris am dimitri volshebnikis mier shekminili zgva rom gvlekda
mashin mec vfikrobdi tu rogor sheidzleboda gafiltvra misi tsamotskebuli
tserilebisagan chveni ng-is imitom rom 400 tserilidan 1 iko marto
sakartveloze da misi danaxva sheudzlebeli xdeboda.
tumca ar vicodi tu es azri danashaulebrivi iko.
David Chelidze
ekl...@socantel.net wrote:
> mxars ki dagicher magram vfiqrob ver gaamartleb am tanamdebobas. rametu
> elementaruli tsodna ara gaqvs HTML da JAVA script-isa. me ki shens
> mastsavleblobas ar vapireb, rametu ar mikvars tavdajerebuli da uzrdeli
> bavshvebi:)
besik, vinaa amis shemdeg "tavdajerebuli da uzrdeli bavshvi." tkven,
batono, ragats ginaxia, ragats gistsavlia, ragats migitvisebia da tavshi
aggvardnia! kvlav gekitxebi, vin ggonia sheni tavi? messia? ise axia
chvens tavze es ambavi rametu aravin ar agimagla xma rom es umetsari,
gandidebis maniit shepkrobili adamiani gonze moekvana. mainteresebs
ratom aravin ar amoigo xma rotsa DID BESIKSA da davit zlitchenkos shoris
diskusia mimdinareobda? vpikrob imitom rom zlotchenko tsarmoshvebit
kartveli ar iko da mis nashroms ki kartveli tsarmoshvebis vai kristiani
iparavda "sakartvelos ketildgeobis" lozungs amoparebuli. amis gamo is
katsi davkarget romelits pirveli iko internetze sakatveloze originaluri
inpormatsiit da ar trabaxobda tavisi JAVA scriptisa tu HTML-is tsodnit
aramed uangarod igtsvoda sakartvelos popularizatsiisatvis. da dagvrcha
chven ubadlo besiki romelits tsxvirshi amogvadens tavis "HTML da JAVA
script-sa." me dziritadad mkitxveli var am jgupisa magram rotsa
sachiroeba moitxov xma unda amovigot, xalxno!!!!
> Besiki - tqveni erti daudevari nabiji da chveni NG-its gauqmdeba... UPSS, mere
> ki namdvilad dagerqmeva "patriotis" saxeli....
batono besik, levans araperi gauketebia iseti rats am jgupis gaukmebas
gamoitsvevda da mjera arts gadadgams aset nabijs. samtsuxarod igives ver
vitkvi tkvens shesaxeb, rametu tkveni ukmexi gantsxadeba imisa rom
tserilebi tsashalet autsilebeli da sakmarisi pirobaa am jgupis
gasaukmeblad. da shesabamisad dapikrdit vis unda erkvas vai patriotisa
da kristianis saxeli.
> Besiki - rats ginda is ikavi da rats ginda is midzaxe, amit verafers ver
> damakleb. erts ki getkvi rom tavi damanebo...
ise mets vrtsmundebi rom besiktan laparakit verapers ver gavxdebit,
magram maints makvs imedi rom aris shansi da mova gons da mixvdeba rom
JAVA-sa da HTML-s garda bevri akvs kidev sastsavli da dasanaxi.
guldatskvetili, chelo
WebMaster
Nana Bukhsianidze <gr...@meridianworldservices.com> wrote in article besik
HTML ase tu ise vici, dzalian gtxov mastsavlo rogor moaxrxe am
dimitris sterilebis tsashla? shens servers romc ikenebdes ara mgonia
serveris administratortan megobrobde and tviton iko severis
administratori. dzalian sainteresoa tu visitoris doneze sheidzleba
ertmanetis tserilebis tsashla. gvastsavle erti da avshendebit kvela.
levansac ainteresebs es sakitxi. :-)
damimtkice rom vizitoris doneze shli tserilebs da tsashale chemi sterili
dzalian gtxov. avdgebi da mec visstavli mashin mag profesias.
kidev raa ak gaugebari? jadokars ki ar mistiris levani aramed ashfotebs
is fakti rom sheidzleba vinmes xeli miutsvdebodes nebismieri tserilis
tsashlaze. rac absoluturad arademokratiulia.
Nana
tu am tserls ver vixilac NG-shi mashin davrtsmundebi rom martla
shegidzlia tsashla.
ise ara mjera.
=====================================================
Besiki- Nana, am chem tserils rom ixilav ramodenime xnis shemdeg sheni
originaluri tserili agar iqneba, rogorts tqven mtxovet. da albar
dartsmundebit rom me amis gaketeba shemidzlia da ar "vtripachob" tkuilad.
pativistsemit - Besiki Sisauri
Reno Siradze
na...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Besiks albat dzalian siamovnebs rom kvela sheashpota :-)
>
> Besik, morchi celqobas! rom idzaxi jadoqari gavagdeo, neta rogor izamdi magas?
> moderatori xar? tu misi message-bis cashla shegidzlia e.i. shen kopilxar
> jadoqari :-) html-is anda "javas" codna araa sakmarisi.
>
> caikitxe
samcuxarod mas hgonia, rom idiotebtan aqvs saqme.
kidev ertxel qartulis shesaxeb: ra gaxda aseti usashvelo, rom qartulis qartuli
anbanit cera gauchirda am xalxs?!
dges dejanews. com idanc shevamocme da shesanishnavad icereba da ikitxeba!
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GEGE
> baton renos
> sitkvebs movishveliebdi ak magram jerjerobit vikaveb tavs.
Baton Renos moshveliebas vapirebdi: vpikrobdi axal rolshi
mogvevlineboda, rogorc computeruli experti.Magram misi cerili, romelic
upro adre gamochnda, profesionalis pasuxs ar sheicavda. Am dros ki Nanam
rogorc chans (WebMaster-is cerilidan gamomdinare) Besiki gamoicvia
tatamze: Aba, tu bichi xar chemi cerili cashaleo. Vai rom Nanas cerili
martla agar ikitxeba (chemi computeridan kovel shemtkvevashi). Ikneb
ubralod daemtxva ragac shemtkveviti errori, ha? Ras itkvit bn-Davit da
bn-Reno? Ikneb araemociuri, profesionaluri "likbezi" chagvitarot, rom
vicodet raa shesadzlebeli da ra ara.
Ise cnobisatvis kidev vimeoreb: jgupis iniciatori da manageri pirvel
xanebshi iko Irene Gabashvili (romelic ukve meramdene celia chvens
jgupshi ar gamochenila).
Am teknikuri sakitxis gasashukeblad cota xans emociebs moveshvat
(saertod ki emociebis momxre var).
> besik, dzalian gtxov kvelapers ukugma nu atrialeb. "jadokris"
> tserilebis
> tsashlis ARAVITARI kanonieri da moraluri upleba shen ar gkonda da
> ARAVITARI gamartleba mag saktsiels ar moedzebneba (tvit sakartvelo
> ketildgeobats).
Absoluturad getanxmebi. Ura-patriotizmi da inkvizicia sruliadac ar
gvchirdeba. Volshebnikmac da Gordeevmac rac undat ilaparakon. Tu ginda
gaeci chkvianuri, dasabutebuli da amave dros gesliani pasuxi. Tu nervebi
geshleba, saertod nu miakcev kuradgebas da sxva temaze gaxseni "thread"i
(mag. Virginity in Georgia). Magram censura absoluturad miugebelia.
Sevdit,
GG.