usataurod
Nana Bukhsianidze
oriode kacis garda am NG-shi xmis amogeba aravis unda. tumca zogierti
mkitxveli fexs shemoadgams tu ara pirvelive tsinadadebashi sulelebs
dagvidzaxebs. mere ki isets itkvis, ifikreb sxvebs ras erchoda es
adamianio.
sxcvatashoris megobrebo mIRC-ze sheixedet da dartsmundebit rom es
sicariele araa imit ganpirobebuli rom kartvelebs tbilisshi an kutaishshi
kompiuterebi ar akvt. raodenoba kartveli monatsileebisa, chatt roomebshi
da mirc-ze miutitebs rom ganacxadi ubeduri kartveli eri kompiuters ver
shoulobso stsori araa. es ucxoelisatvis tvalis axvevas ufro hgavs.
sinamdvileshi ki mizezi sul sxvaa. tavshi vinmes tu rame ukria da
vargisi akvs satkmeli buchkebsgi zis iasavit da xmis amomgebi araa.
kartul skolebshi da universitetshi xelis atseva da pasuxis gacema
kitxvaze sircxvilad itvleba. mtavaria, seriozuli saxe daikavo da
kovlismcodnes gamoxedva daikeno. cota damcinav gimilshi sheurio da meti
araferia sachiro.
sxva kveknebis NG-ebi savsea tserilebit. ak kidev ramdens shemovixedav
erti-ori kaci tsers ragacas da isinic bunebrivia iglebian. moklet
pirdapir samarcxvinoa.
ak rom tsers xalxi klvelas ki ar hgonia danarchen kartvelebze chkviani
tavi. ara. magram azris gamotkmis shishi akvt moxsnili da etkoba
mitxvdnen rom ragind sakartveloshi misagebi gamometkveleba gkondes
saxeze, internetze sakmarisi araa. ragac tu ar datsere veravize verc
shtabechdilebas ver moaxden da verc veraferze ver ilaparakeb.
sxvatashoris saintereso ram gavige. turme pasportshi etnikurobis
chastera imxela davis sagani arc kofila rogorc dabadebis motsmobebshi.
axla erti shekitxva makvs, sakartvelos garet mkofebs ra informaciac
gvkonda iko ik xazgasmuli dabadebis motsmoba? me piradad aseti ram ar
tsamikitxavs. xoda... ismis shekitxva informaciis mxolod natsilis da
tanac im natsilis rac kartvel inteligencias, kartvel xalxs umotskalo
nacionalistebad da saberdznet turket izraelis doneze moazrovneebad
tsarmosaxavs, ra miznebs emsaxureba? dabadebis motsmobashi nebakoflobit
etnikurobis shetana vitom ra aseti velurobaa? ratom vitom? me sul ar
mgonia es cudi. tumca pasportshi da kvela shesavseb formashi es ar unda
itserebodes cxadia.
amaze xmas aravin igebs. tu informaciis natsilobriv tsaarmochenas hkonda
adgili aravin icoda es? magalitad lexom? is xom mainc sakartveloshi
cxovrobs?
kargit movrchebi axla shegonebebs. imedia is 5 kaci mainc ar gaifanteba
buchkebshi, danarchenebi ki igives gaagrdzeleben. mesmis zogi morcxvia
da zogs sakme akvs magram nutu kvela ert dgeshia 5 kacis garda?
kargad brdzandebodet.
nana
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Nana Bukhsianidze <gr...@nospammeridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> moklet,
> oriode kacis garda am NG-shi xmis amogeba aravis unda.
====
Besiki - getanxmebi Nana sruliad. oriode dgis tsin erti qartvelis tserili
mivige sadats igi gulistkivilit agnishnavs rom chveni NG gadaiqtsa shantajisa
da provokatsiebis buded. tumtsa me igi chventan shemosuli ar minaxavs, magram
rogorts chans man kargad shenishna chveni nakli. gasakviri araa rom 10 dgis
tsin Sandros mier gaxsnil klub "Sakartvelos" (yahoo.com-ze) hkavs ukve 50-ze
meti aqtiuri tsevri? es dasafiqrebelia... piradad me davigale Levantan
chidilshi. mis tavxedobas adgili ara aaqvs, da mgonia rom vinam igi aset
"politikas" gaagrdzelebs am jgufs araferi ar eshveleba. bodishi Levan, magram
es simartlea.
chkuas ar vastsavli Levans, magram man unda gadaxedos tavis qtsevebs da
gamoxtomebs.
====
>tumca zogierti
> mkitxveli fexs shemoadgams tu ara pirvelive tsinadadebashi sulelebs
> dagvidzaxebs. mere ki isets itkvis, ifikreb sxvebs ras erchoda es
> adamianio.
====
Besiki - sulelebs dagvidzaxebs aba ra. es artsaa gasakviri. chveni tavi
tsarmovidginot mat adgilze... shedixar qartul jgufshi rom qartvelebs guli
gauxsna da ras xedav ertmanetis chama-glejvashi arian (chems tamadobit) da
kovelive es inglisur enaze xdeba. axal shemosuli tu raimes ver itkvis kargad
da tu gind uzrdelurits ki, egreve miafrindebian chveni "kanonis damtsvelebi"
da aba she tavxedo gaetrie aqedano... vin shemova aq agarts jadoqari,
papisovi, kapitani nemo, pt.. tu kidev vin mostvlis mat saxelebs. isinits ki
agar gvkadrulobe Nana, shen tsarmoidgine. mets ukve agara maqvs aq
monatsileobis xalisi. jer rats damatsies is rom ara vtqva, ra agar mitsodes
"B...Si..", "Ass hole", "karlson" , "regveni", "uzrdeli", vigats "kapiatni
nemo" tu ra vitsi raga chamovtavlo agarts ki maxsovs imdeni titulebi mivige.
qartveli katsi rom ganatsxadebs kvela qartveli tsarmartia rom xatebs takvans
stsemeno da mas frtebs asxamen zogiertebi aba ra unda vtqva. mainteresebs
erti es rom me metqva ras mizamdnen:) saertod ukulturobaa aq chamovardnili.
zogma es politikur tu religiur arenad gadaaqtsia da ai amashi shevtsdit
chven. bolo katsi vints davkarget "xutkunchula" da "Gio" iko, iqneb mets var
damnashave rom Levans dzaglad vtvli da kurs vugdeb mis grenas? ratqma unda
damnashave var.... me piradad "mxilebuli"vikavi kapitan nemos pirovnebashi.
ufro metits, es imdenad sinamdviled miichnies rom NET angarishi gauuqmes
chems amxanags da mere meubnebian rom ratom esa tqvi da ratom isao. Davit
Cheidzem rom me mimitana echvad tsxadia, magram gasakviri isaa rom,
uzrdelobashi rom mamxila, ratom xmas ar igebda tavis forumze sadats turme
"Zvania dakodes" da "Shevardnadzis tsoli turme lesbianka kofila"... ara
mgonia rom davitma am tserilis damtseris Net angarishi sheamotsma da avtori
dasaja, ratom? imitom rom shevardnadzis tsoli misi tsoli araa? amastanave
igive Chelidze mxilebul iqna tavisive sheqmnil Chat roomze sruli
uzrdeobisatvis da tavxedobisatvis (ixilet misi forumi, tserili "chatelebi
mxilebul iqnen") rusi gogonebtan mimartebashi.... amas imitom ki ar vambob
rom daviti esti da isetia, ubralod kvelas mosdis shetsdomebi da unda vapatiot
ertmanets, gansakutrebit ki mat vints sxvas miutitebs "shavi" xaro da tavad
uares nabijebs adgams... samtsuxaroa rom es kvelaferi ese xdeba imis magivrad
rom gavamxnevot da mxari davuchirod ertmanets. aseve zogs tavisi dro rom
gamoekenebina saqartvelos ketildgeobisatvis uketesi iqneboda. bevri itkvis ar
vitsit web dizaini da ra vqnato. gasagebia, magram ras itkvit rom raime
mtsire motsulobis tsigni aigot, targmnot da mere mat miatsodot vints am
saqmeshi chaxedulia. ramden tsigns targmnida magalitad Levani es rom
moendomebina... chemi tserilis mizani ar tsarmoadgens vinmes mxilebasa tu
sakutari tavis gandidebas. ara, ubralod, zogjer simartlesats unda shevxedot
tvalebshi, gindats sarkeshi sakutari tavi davinaxot. piradad, ar vapireb am
temaze saubris gagrdzelebas da vinmestan kamats (tsinastar bodishi) ase rom
tu raimeshi vtsdebi bodishi da tu raimea dasamatebeli chems gareshe
imoqmedet.
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Lexo
Nana,
sruliad vetanxmebi shens tserilshi gamotqmul azrebs da dzalian moxaruli var
rom amaze vinmem xma amoigo. martlac, ukve agara maqvs survili mIRC-is
#Tbilisis arxze shevide, imitom rom sakmarisia vinmem raime progresul temaze
tsamoitskos laparaki, rom kovelnairad etsdebian chaachumon.
rac sheexeba imas rom me satanadod ver gavashuqe pasportshi erovnulobis
agnishvnastan dakavshirebuli sakitxebi, es mxolod imis bralia rom me piradad
kompiuteri ara maqvs, ofisshi tu movaxerxeb 10-20 tsutit gamokenebas da isic
ara koveldge. tan ukanaskneli 3 kviris ganmavlobashi Sakartveloshi ar vikavi.
mokled, informaciis nakleboba martlac problemaa. Tuki vinmes survili eqneba
"shemomtsiros" naxmari kompiuteri Sakartvelos saketildgeod :))))), didi
madlobeli viknebi (sxvata shoris, amastan dakavshirebit ixilet shemdgomi
gancxadeba).
pativiscemit,
Lexo
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JUSTICE FOR ALL!
David Chelidze
> ufro metits, es imdenad sinamdviled miichnies rom NET angarishi gauuqmes
besik, shen rom verapers tsesierad da stsore ver igeb axali araa
chemtvis. samtsuxarod am jgopis zogierti tsevrebi kidev usmenen shens,
geslita da bogmit gonebadabnelebuli adamianis, tsilistsamebebs.
kidev ertxel kategoriulad vatsxadeb sheni amxanagis angarishis
gaukmebastan aravitari kavshiri ar gvkonia! mag angarishi she tviton
gauukme shens amxanags! es sruli tsilistsamebaa shens mxriv da tu ar
moeshvebi USAPUDZVLO tsilistsamebas, idzulebuli viknebi satanado zomebi
mivigo.
> chems amxanags da mere meubnebian rom ratom esa tqvi da ratom isao. Davit
> Cheidzem rom me mimitana echvad tsxadia, magram gasakviri isaa rom,
> uzrdelobashi rom mamxila, ratom xmas ar igebda tavis forumze sadats turme
> "Zvania dakodes" da "Shevardnadzis tsoli turme lesbianka kofila"...
gasashterebeli pirdapir! Zvaniasa da Shevardnadze, besik, xalxma ukbilod
ixumra - rasats satanado shepaseba mietsa igive boardze (shensgan
gansxvavebit avtorebma agiares rom gadaacharbes). sulats ar mikvirs rom
shen es kmedeba gamogrcha mxedvelobidan -- ras izam ar dzalgidzs stsor
shukshi dainaxo simartle.
> ara
> mgonia rom davitma am tserilis damtseris Net angarishi sheamotsma da avtori
> dasaja, ratom?
imitom, rom im tserilis avtorebma tavisi shetsdoma agiares da meti agar
gaumeorebiat. shenvis es mtsneba (danashaulis agiareba) gaugebaria,
radgan shens ukugmart da bilts kmedebas verts agikvam da verst agiareb.
> imitom rom shevardnadzis tsoli misi tsoli araa? amastanave
> igive Chelidze mxilebul iqna tavisive sheqmnil Chat roomze sruli
> uzrdeobisatvis da tavxedobisatvis (ixilet misi forumi, tserili "chatelebi
> mxilebul iqnen") rusi gogonebtan mimartebashi....
amaze sitsilis meti ara damrchenia ra. eg rusi gogo ki ar iko, chemo
ukugmarto besik, aramed chveni chatis tsevri "jeba" - romelits mamrobiti
skesis tsarmomadgenelia. man 'ixumra' da "natashad" mogvevlina -
shesabamisad dasjili ikna da gavadzeve chatidan. eg messagits xumroba
iko, rogorts chemi "board"-s kvela tsevrma stsored agikva -- shens
garda, ra tkma unda. shen xom kvelaperi ukugma unda daatrialo da gaigo:)
-- egeb vinmes tsili dastsamo da tavs lapi daasxa.
> amas imitom ki ar vambob
> rom daviti esti da isetia, ubralod kvelas mosdis shetsdomebi da unda vapatiot
> ertmanets, gansakutrebit ki mat vints sxvas miutitebs "shavi" xaro da tavad
> uares nabijebs adgams...
gasashterebeli pirdapir! aba ristvis laparakob besik? am forumze chemi
samxilebeli agaraperi dagrcha da chems sakutar forums etsvie
"kompromatis" shesagroveblad? :) barakala shens katsobas!!! amdenad tu
ikavi datsemuli sulierad kidev ar megona...
> samtsuxaroa rom es kvelaferi ese xdeba imis magivrad
> rom gavamxnevot da mxari davuchirod ertmanets.
midit gaamxnevet besiki! :)) egeb tkvenzets midzebnos "kompromati" --
ise bevri dzebna ar chirdeba besiks -- rats gagiketebiat kvelaperi
arastsoria :))
> chemi tserilis mizani ar tsarmoadgens vinmes mxilebasa tu
> sakutari tavis gandidebas.
ara, besik, ara!!!:) shen tsminda filatropistuli motivebi gakvs :))
> ara, ubralod, zogjer simartlesats unda shevxedot
> tvalebshi, gindats sarkeshi sakutari tavi davinaxot.
hahahaha, mokled, besik -- magari xumara xar, ai! erti shennairi sarke
ashovnina kvela borot adamians -- imtsutshi kvela tavis kmedebasa da
motivs natel shukshi dainaxavda :)) agarts sindisis kejna eknebodat da
agars tkuili nerviuloba ukugmarti saktsielis chadenaze :))
> piradad, ar vapireb am
> temaze saubris gagrdzelebas da vinmestan kamats (tsinastar bodishi)
vai rom, pitsi mtsams da bolo makvirvebs, besik! :))) memgoni sheni
mxridan "saubris" (upro stsored tsilistamebis kompaniis) argagrdzelebaze
bevrs epareba echvi...
> ase rom
> tu raimeshi vtsdebi bodishi da tu raimea dasamatebeli chems gareshe
> imoqmedet.
ara, ra bichia chveni besiki, ara? kats tsili dastsama, atasi chori
mougona, arapers moerida tavis ktsevashi da exla atsxadebs "tu raimes
vtsdebi bodishi"-o:)
mag simartlit gagimarjosa da gagaxaros gmertma, chemo besik!
"mxilebuli" chelo
Nana Bukhsianidze
>getanxmebi Nana sruliad. oriode dgis tsin erti qartvelis tserili
> mivige sadats igi gulistkivilit agnishnavs rom chveni NG gadaiqtsa shantajisa
besik stsored magas vtser me chems tserilshi rom tsutsuneben, an
sulelebs gvedzaxian vitom es NG chveni ikos. am dros ki tu rame akvt
satkmeli adgnen da pirdapir tkvan da NG-s xarisxs tvit shematon raime.
> piradad me davigale Levantan
> chidilshi.
gacherda levani. mereda raa es levani aseti rom turme rac MIRC-ze xalxia
da sxvadasxva chatt roomebshi kvela misi gakceulia? ara. sizarmacis
bralia. chatts sxva specifika akvs da ertmanetze gadavi tu gexerxeba
shegidzlia sul ar gkondes azrebi tavshi.
>
> ====
>
> >tumca zogierti
> > mkitxveli fexs shemoadgams tu ara pirvelive tsinadadebashi sulelebs
> > dagvidzaxebs. mere ki isets itkvis, ifikreb sxvebs ras erchoda es
> > adamianio.
>
> ====
>
> Besiki - sulelebs dagvidzaxebs aba ra. es artsaa gasakviri.
xo mitumetes rom kartvelebi arian da sulelebad xalxis gamocxadeba
urchevniat vidre raime chkvianuris tkma. es ukanaskneli did sirtules
tsarmoadgens ragacatom.
>chveni tavi
> tsarmovidginot mat adgilze... shedixar qartul jgufshi...
> axal shemosuli tu raimes ver itkvis kargad
> da tu gind uzrdelurits ki, egreve miafrindebian chveni "kanonis damtsvelebi"
> da aba she tavxedo gaetrie aqedano...
> vin shemova aq agarts jadoqari,
> papisovi, kapitani nemo, pt.. tu kidev vin mostvlis mat saxelebs.
papisovis garda arc ert matganze didad guli ar shemtkiva.
papisovs tvinic hkonda sakmarisi da tserac exerxeboda. me amis taobaze
adre gamovtkvi protesti. tumca xalxis gakra mainc ar gamouva levans romc
undodes. ai illarions ki edzaxa cudi stikvebi magram am kacma didi
kuradgeba ar miakcia da mainc tsers, levanis mis shesaxeb azris
miuxedavad. ras camochimet es kaci martla meufis adgilze?
>isinits ki
> agar gvkadrulobe Nana, shen tsarmoidgine. mets ukve agara maqvs aq
> monatsileobis xalisi. jer rats damatsies is rom ara vtqva, ra agar mitsodes
> "B...Si..", "Ass hole", "karlson" , "regveni", "uzrdeli", vigats "kapiatni
> nemo" tu ra vitsi raga chamovtavlo agarts ki maxsovs imdeni titulebi mivige.
namdvilad araa sasiamovno tsasakitxi aravistvis aseti sitkvebi. da
namdvilad kacis gamostsorebas da mis gaumjobesebas ki ara mis gafuchebas
gamoitsvevs.
> qartveli katsi rom ganatsxadebs kvela qartveli tsarmartia rom xatebs takvans
> stsemeno da mas frtebs asxamen zogiertebi aba ra unda vtqva.
levans etkoba protestantebi mostsons. mere ra? ertia mtel kartvel xalxs
ar unda exebodes tsamdautsum magram shors romaa etkoba detalebs vegar
xedavs, ise pataraa sakartvelo.
>mainteresebs
> erti es rom me metqva ras mizamdnen:) cut...
>ratqma unda
> damnashave var.... me piradad "mxilebuli"vikavi kapitan nemos pirovnebashi.
> ufro metits, es imdenad sinamdviled miichnies rom NET angarishi gauuqmes
> chems amxanags da mere meubnebian rom ratom esa tqvi da ratom isao.
ar vitkodi ase. ufro stored sachivari datseres ( zustad ar vici imitom
rom sxivs mail boxebs ver shevamotsmeb). angarishi ki administratorma
gaaukma shens amxanags da kidev iman rom mukarebis zgva rom tsamosula
sheni misamartit shenc ar geko sifrtxile. sul mtlad msxvrplad nuki
tsarmoidgen tavs she kaco.
>Davit
> Cheidzem rom me mimitana echvad tsxadia, magram gasakviri isaa rom,
> uzrdelobashi rom mamxila, ratom xmas ar igebda tavis forumze sadats turme
> "Zvania dakodes" da "Shevardnadzis tsoli turme lesbianka kofila"... ara
> mgonia rom davitma am tserilis damtseris Net angarishi sheamotsma da avtori
> dasaja, ratom? imitom rom shevardnadzis tsoli misi tsoli araa? amastanave
> igive Chelidze mxilebul iqna tavisive sheqmnil Chat roomze sruli
> uzrdeobisatvis da tavxedobisatvis (ixilet misi forumi, tserili "chatelebi
> mxilebul iqnen") rusi gogonebtan mimartebashi.... amas imitom ki ar vambob
> rom daviti esti da isetia,
besik, rad ginda axla es magalitebi? tu maseti ram xdeba mis forumshi
mkitxveli sheva da tsaikitxavs da tavis daskvnas tviton gamoitans. rashi
schirdeba sheni daxmareba? ise tu ar mogetsona, ik ar ikavi she kaco?
ver mitsere tserili ras mied-moedebit, azrze modit-tko? NG-m vigacis
forumi ratom unda archios?
es piradi saxis tserilshi kide sheidzleba daitseros magram NG-ze shen
ragas fen am ambebs? moklet martla vardebi ukiduresobebshi,
gansakutrebit sxvisi nifxvebis fena gikvars. rac me tu mkitxav unda
gamoastsoro, rogorc religiurma kacma.
ver vitkvi rom gadasarevad mogekcnen danarchenebi magram es tserilebis
gamofena, da axla forumis ambebis mokola ram gafirkebina? magas xo ici
rom saxalxod choraoba hkvia?
>ubralod kvelas mosdis shetsdomebi da unda vapatiot
> ertmanets,
mere seminariashi shen stsavlob she kaco da magaliti shen mieci xalxs.
apatie tu rame sheeshalat da mtlad ert mamaos nu daemsgavsebi
sakartvelodan agsarebis dros motxorbil ambebs rom ukveboda mere mtel
mrevls da archevinebda. mamao archili albat gagigia.
nana
natia
>sxvatashoris saintereso ram gavige. turme pasportshi etnikurobis
>chastera imxela davis sagani arc kofila rogorc dabadebis motsmobebshi.
nana, eg arts me ar vitsodi. ra tskarots me tsavikithe, ik arts ki mahsovs,
rom dabadebis motsmoba ase hazgasmit agenishnot. gamomrcha mhedvelobidan?
ahla erti sakithia chemtvis gaurkveveli: ra dokumentia dabadebis motsmoba?
sad ithoven mis tsardgenas? tu samsahurshi, bankshi, saelchoshi da a.sh.
dabadebis motsmobias ithoven, mashin mand chatserili etnikuroba isetive
problema ikneba, rogorts pasportshi chatserili. am shemthvevahsi, chemi
azrit, ar unda iknes etnikuroba arts ert matganshi mohseniebuli. da tu
dabadebis motsmoba erti piradi sabutia romelits mholod mosahleobis
agritshvis chatarebisas ikneba gamokenebuli, mashin ratom unda tsaertvas
halhs imisi upleba rats undat is chautseron taviant shvilebs? am ukanasknel
shemthvevashi chemtvis gaugebarits kia, ratom gamoitsvevs raimenair
diskriminatsias etnikurobis mohsenieba.
natia
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> BesikiNews wrote:
besik,
kidev erts getkodi.
ar gegonos rom ar maxsovdes ra magra mogxvda zogiertebisagan roca
sacodav jadokars tserili tsaushale. dzaan kargad maxsovs. isic vici rom
ak martla ikna gamokveknebuli sxva NG-dan informacia rac shen gexeboda.
magram... vax deda.... azrze ar var, vin gichivla da am sashinel temaze
laparaki pirdapir dzalian cud xasiatze makenebs. rad ginda am nagavshi
kekva?
me shen girchevdi, rom damshviddi, gadakare rac ki mdzime azrebi gakvs,
daivitske da eshmakebs nu ahkolixar martla. rad ginda tserilebis da
faktebis fena?
avs da kargs kvela kargad xedavs. bevri adamiani kitxulobs da garedan
miukerdzoebel daskvnas aketebs. sheni damatebiti daxmareba aravis
schirdeba. es mxolod shentvisaa saziano.
eh... martla sacodavi es NG?
dagvexmaret xalxo!
torem davarxrchvet ertmaneti.
tu sadme xart.
--
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
da tu
> dabadebis motsmoba erti piradi sabutia romelits mholod mosahleobis
> agritshvis chatarebisas ikneba gamokenebuli, mashin ratom unda tsaertvas
> halhs imisi upleba rats undat is chautseron taviant shvilebs? am ukanasknel
> shemthvevashi chemtvis gaugebarits kia, ratom gamoitsvevs raimenair
> diskriminatsias etnikurobis mohsenieba.
tanac ar dagavitskdes rom roca etnikuri umciresobebis uflebebis dacvaze
midgeba sakme, mashin vin risi dammtkicebeli ikneba?
ai magalitad amerikashi 1/8 indieli tu xar specialuri uflebebi gakvs.
saidan amtkicebs xalxi amas? ar vici mekanizmebi magram mgoni
zepirsitvierebas da sisxlis analizs ar unda ekrdnobodnen. ;-)
nana
Alligator
:) Rogorc utkvamt "grdzeli sitkva mokled itkmis shairia amad kargi"-o ;)
>oriode kacis garda am NG-shi xmis amogeba aravis unda. tumca zogierti
:) Ver dagetanxmebi ;) Rac me vnaxe pirikit :) Xmis amogeba ki ara
emailshi rupori araa & megaponi torem imasac gamoikenebdnen da kidev
idzulebit radiomauckeblobasac :) Ise madlobeli ki var spami rom ar modis mag
shinaarsis...
Erti egaa sakmao raodenobis xalxi dzalian cudad itans rom ar etanxmebian
:) Alergiaa akvt pirdapir da ras izam ;)
>mkitxveli fexs shemoadgams tu ara pirvelive tsinadadebashi sulelebs
>dagvidzaxebs. mere ki isets itkvis, ifikreb sxvebs ras erchoda es
>adamianio.
:) THe world is big & the life is tough ;)
>sxcvatashoris megobrebo mIRC-ze sheixedet da dartsmundebit rom es
>sicariele araa imit ganpirobebuli rom kartvelebs tbilisshi an kutaishshi
>kompiuterebi ar akvt.
Ki eg vnaxe erti orjer... Tito orola tipi im MIRC-shi kurdebad ssxedan,
neta ki vin airchia sainteresoa da ( oh zogiertis ocnebav, ras idjejilebdnen
am NG-shi zogiertebi, ar daamgvanebdnen sasaplaos :) visi laparakic ar
moeconebat bac da.. mogadzroben channelidan...
Caa-hack-eb da machin ki kvela bac... mokled ra...
>sinamdvileshi ki mizezi sul sxvaa. tavshi vinmes tu rame ukria da
>vargisi akvs satkmeli buchkebsgi zis iasavit da xmis amomgebi araa.
:) Tavi upro dzviri ugirt da imitom :)
>kartul skolebshi da universitetshi xelis atseva da pasuxis gacema
>kitxvaze sircxvilad itvleba.
Eg didi xania egrea... Magastan ertad scavlac "egrexebat".. Hoda mere
visi bralia rom, verc ik shouloben samushaos da aket tu gamoagcies on
mamikoebis pulebs xardjaven & mainc ar ( tu ukve ver ) scavloben an ki
aralegalura shav samushaobeze arian ( tu sxva rameebis gamo cixeshi ar
gaakvexes ).
> mtavaria, seriozuli saxe daikavo da
>kovlismcodnes gamoxedva daikeno. cota damcinav gimilshi sheurio da meti
>araferia sachiro.
Mduh :) Damcinavis ki ma gitxra.. Xalxi ak gamexebuli vin ristvis
ibrdzvis ver gaigeb :)
>sxva kveknebis NG-ebi savsea tserilebit. ak kidev ramdens shemovixedav
>erti-ori kaci tsers ragacas da isinic bunebrivia iglebian. moklet
:) Oh come on :) Ai meomruli sulis patronebi romaa ak zigi imat daglas
vin sheatkobs?
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>Besiki - getanxmebi Nana sruliad. oriode dgis tsin erti qartvelis tserili
>mivige sadats igi gulistkivilit agnishnavs rom chveni NG gadaiqtsa
shantajisa
>da provokatsiebis buded.
Gmerto ki nu micken? Vin iko is kartveli Duke? Aba hkitxe tavs rogor
grdznobda? Isic mtrebs edzebda tu vinmes gadarchena undoda?
Tu sulac Levarsy iko is kartveli?
Ra shantaji, ra provokacia? Shantaji ra aris cesierad me mgopni mas ar
esmoda da tu shen etanxmebi amashi ar shen ici ra aris eg :)
Mainc risi da riti shantajireba sheidzleba am NG-shi? Minimumi
shantajisatvis isaa rom ragaca pakti X ar unda gaxdes cnobili publikisatvis
an vinme Y isatvis.. Da rao NG shi eg gamova? Tu vinmes ashineben ai es ar
kna an is keni torem NG shi vitkvit rac da vinc xaro? Da mere?
Im provokaciis mockobas ki tvini unda tavhi, tanac samagisod
mockobili/trained.
Ra iarlikebs arigeb Duke? Vin vis ashantajebda? An Levarsis landzgva gineba
iko provokacia? Eg azrrovnebis dones upro achvenebs .. vidre provokacias
hgavs.. Dapikreba jpbia vidre mtel NG shantajistebis da provokatorebis
labels daatkepeb...
> tumtsa me igi chventan shemosuli ar minaxavs, magram
>rogorts chans man kargad shenishna chveni nakli. gasakviri araa rom 10 dgis
:) Oh oh hoho :) Shorsmxedveli da bevrismcodne kopila is kaci :)
Sheidzleba me vcdebi an mas konda rame optika :)
>tsin Sandros mier gaxsnil klub "Sakartvelos" (yahoo.com-ze) hkavs ukve
50-ze
>meti aqtiuri tsevri? es dasafiqrebelia... piradad me davigale Levantan
>chidilshi.
:) Krepis soldat Atamano budesh...
>mis tavxedobas adgili ara aaqvs, da mgonia rom vinam igi aset
:) Aba davigaleo? Raga eg da raga Baratashvilis merani :) poezia
gkvarebia Duke :)
>"politikas" gaagrdzelebs am jgufs araferi ar eshveleba. bodishi Levan,
magram
>es simartlea.
Aha :) Amasac movescarit :) Levan, belado .. Duke bodishs ixdis tkveni
pasuxi?
>chkuas ar vastsavli Levans, magram man unda gadaxedos tavis qtsevebs da
>gamoxtomebs.
:) LOL, aba es raa aris tu ara chkuis scavleba Duke? Isic eget stilshi
mushaobs :) Mgalitad - chems mimart aravitari negatiuri grdznoba araakvs,
ubralod idioti da ragveni micoda :) arc chkuas mascavlis ubralod ena unda
davakeno da ar vemaimuno, arc imas maidzulebs rom davetanxmo - ubralod tu ar
vetanxmebi saertod unda gavchumde etc... See the resemblance?
>Besiki - sulelebs dagvidzaxebs aba ra. es artsaa gasakviri. chveni tavi
>tsarmovidginot mat adgilze... shedixar qartul jgufshi rom qartvelebs guli
>gauxsna
Uhhhuuuhh :) Romeli shemovida ak egeti? Is volshebniki to Ionovi? An NG
shi gulis gaxsna ragaa?
>a ras xedav ertmanetis chama-glejvashi arian (chems tamadobit) da
:) Aba ;) Ai Levarsim sul uari tkva Alligatoris nacarmze.. Ver getkvi
xorczec tu ara magram imdeia :) Sheni sitkva Duke?
>kovelive es inglisur enaze xdeba. axal shemosuli tu raimes ver itkvis
kargad
:) Practice my friend practice.. Martivi mizezia... Driveri kartuli
normaluri ara gvakvs :) Klaviaturaze asoebis dacera ki "texavs" ase rom...
>agar gvkadrulobe Nana, shen tsarmoidgine. mets ukve agara maqvs aq
Shizz :) Did U miss comrade Ionov? Why do U care about them? Do what U
want or think is right to do, what about them? Ra tavs vaconebt vinmes?
>monatsileobis xalisi. jer rats damatsies is rom ara vtqva, ra agar mitsodes
>"B...Si..", "Ass hole", "karlson" , "regveni", "uzrdeli", vigats "kapiatni
>nemo"
:) The second compliment I think is one word Duke.. Besides there was no
need to list those here...
>u ra vitsi raga chamovtavlo agarts ki maxsovs imdeni titulebi mivige.
:) I am glad U liked DUke of the Darkness though :)
>chven. bolo katsi vints davkarget "xutkunchula" da "Gio" iko, iqneb mets
var
>damnashave rom Levans dzaglad vtvli da kurs vugdeb mis grenas?
:) Ah oh.. Now U Duke :) Interesting is that contagious? Why do you call
him such a name? Nothing else to say? Besides before U didn't use this kind
fo words, what's up now?
>ratqma unda damnashave var.... me piradad "mxilebuli" ikavi kapitan nemos
pirovnebashi.
:) From what I know U were accused in violation of something else?
>ufro metits, es imdenad sinamdviled miichnies rom NET angarishi gauuqmes
>chems amxanags da mere meubnebian rom ratom esa tqvi da ratom isao. Davit
:) Terrific :) Anyway was that an excuse to cuss?
>mxilebul iqnen") rusi gogonebtan mimartebashi.... amas imitom ki ar vambob
Rao? Rusi gogonebi? Ummm :) Something wrong about them Duke?
>rom gavamxnevot da mxari davuchirod ertmanets. aseve zogs tavisi dro rom
:) Xeli chavchidot ertmanets... Ai beladobis mosurne ki bevri ikneba :)
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>sad ithoven mis tsardgenas? tu samsahurshi, bankshi, saelchoshi da a.sh.
i.e. INS needs it...
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bid...@my-dejanews.com
> dagvexmaret xalxo!
> torem davarxrchvet ertmaneti.
> tu sadme xart.
sheidzleba vtsdebi, magram ratomgats am tserilshi sasotsarkveta momesma.
damshviddi, nana :) rogorts albat am tserilidanac xvdebi, am NG-shi mimotseras
gatsilebit meti xalxi adevnebs tvals, vidre ggonia. meore sakitxia, rom kvela
ar stsers, sxvadasxva mizezebis gamo.
rats sheexeba aq gamokveknebul tserilebs, isini dzalian saintereso sakitxavia,
kovel shemtxvevashi mati garkveuli natsili maints :)
mokled, tqven martoni ara xart!
mogvianebit gilocav 8 marts :)
bidzina
lev...@my-dejanews.com
"natia" <na...@psu.edu> wrote:
>
> >sxvatashoris saintereso ram gavige. turme pasportshi etnikurobis
> >chastera imxela davis sagani arc kofila rogorc dabadebis motsmobebshi.
>
> nana, eg arts me ar vitsodi. ra tskarots me tsavikithe, ik arts ki mahsovs,
> rom dabadebis motsmoba ase hazgasmit agenishnot. gamomrcha mhedvelobidan?
:-) gasasterebli pirdapir. Amis mere gasakviri rom kartevelebi ver axerxeben
kveqnis martvas? bulgareli mjgolis mabis ari iqos, ra gaxda _faktis_
dadgena? saertod piradobis damadasturebel sabutebze laparakoben cnobebshi.
umtavresi gaurkveveli isaa ra _pasportzea_ laparaki. ertaderti kartuli
pasporti sazgvargaret gasvlisas gaicema da masshi, saertashoriso
standartebis cabajvit, erovneba araa moxseniebul. mtavaria ra kveqnis
mokalake xar.
rcheba piradobis mocmoba romelic qvela katvels unda kondes, da romelshic
mititebuli ethnikuri carmoshoba. mash ratom saubroben pasportshi ramis
shecvlaze? nutu piradobis mocmobas pasports utoleben?
mtlad rom avrio monasteri, ai erti cvrilmanic:
Prime-News news agency, Tbilisi, in Georgian 28 Jan 99
Communist rally protests at Georgia's "occupation" by NATO, Turkey
Text of report by Georgian news agency Prime-News [ ] The participants in the
rally voiced support for the inclusion of the indication of ethnic origin and
_patronymics_ in Georgian identity documents. / /
mamis saxelis moshla komunistebis bodvaa tu sakartvelos mtavrobam martla
gadacqvita am rusuli gavlenis moshoreba. es kvlav gaurkvevelia.
> gaugebarits kia, ratom gamoitsvevs raimenair
> diskriminatsias etnikurobis mohsenieba.
natia teoriulad, etnkuri carmoshobis moxsenieba dadagvas udris. tu ginda
icode vinaa sxva jgupis carmomadgeneli, daxedav mis sabuts da uars etqvi
samushaoze da e.sh. sinamdvileshi, enis ar codna an gvari upro ashkara cqaroa
dachagvistvis da sanam rusi carmoshobis mokalake kartulad ar dailaparakebs,
potenciurad qoveltvis ikneba shevicroebis msverpli.
kartvelebis mier am temaze gagizeba kargad achvenebs tu ramdenad
aratvitdajerebulia kjartveloba: sakutar saxlshi gadashenebis eshinia.
sinamdvileshi, ara-ethnikur kartvelebs unda ashinodet amis, radgan tu xilul
barierebs moshli (ethnikur agnishnvas, sxvaenovan ganatlebas, da a sh) mati
kartuli sazogadoebis shemadgenel nacilad gaxdoma gaadvildeba.
amis ar dasashvebad misca rusetma ethnikur jgupebs arakartuli skolebi rom amit
daesustebia sakartvelo.
oriode clis cin rusetshi rom cades pasportshi ethnikuri carmoshobis amoshla
( rogorc amas saxarovi itxovda adre) tatretma da kidev ramdenime sxva
respulibkam sastitki agshpoteba gamotkva. amashi tavianti gansxvavebulobis
chaxshobis saprtxe dainaxes.
levani
natia
> >kitxvaze sircxvilad itvleba.
> Eg didi xania egrea... Magastan ertad scavlac "egrexebat".. Hoda mere
> visi bralia rom, verc ik shouloben samushaos da aket tu gamoagcies on
> mamikoebis pulebs xardjaven & mainc ar ( tu ukve ver ) scavloben an ki
> aralegalura shav samushaobeze arian ( tu sxva rameebis gamo cixeshi ar
> gaakvexes ).
dziritadad, magram igi ert-or metad mnishvnelovan problemasats sheeho.
tu vinmes meti inpormatsia akvs am etnikurobis problemastan
dakavshirebit, imedia datsers rames.
ert-ert chemtvis metad mnishvnelovan sakithze ki zviadma gaaketa kargi
komentari. is situatsia rats tbilisis skolebshia da ra midgomats
sashualo skolis mostsavleta umetesobas (chemi azrit umetesobas) akvs
stsavlis mimart - kartveli eris tragediaa. sad aris problemis dziri da
satskisi? datskebuli upasuhismgeblo mastsavleblebit, damtavrebuli
saertod uvargisi ganatlebis sistemita tu ukugmarti standartebit rats
umaglesdamtavrebuls moethoveba- kvelaperi ertad kmnis chaobs. mtavari ki
isaa, rom sashualo skola jer kidev is adgilia (da is asakia
mostsavletatvis), rodesats sheidzleba (da autsilebelia) stsori da
dzlieri sapudzveli chaekaros adamianis ganatlebas. tsalkeuli
mastsavleblebi da tsalkeuli skolebi amas aherheben. da tu erteulebi
aherheben, ratom aris es danarchenebisatvis problema? albat imitom, rom
bevri saertod ver hedavs problemas. da tu ramdemime tavdadebuli
mastsavlebeli hedavs da raimes tsdilobs, hshirad saotsari nervebisa da
brdzolis pasi ujdeba kovelive, rasats kvela ver udzlebs... dznelia
skolismostsamleebis samkaroshi migebuli "kargi bichis" da "magari gogos"
gagebis agmophvra, rotsa es "idealebi" arstsavlasa da skolidan
gaparvastanaa mholod dakavshirebuli. aris ki gza aseti hedva
sheatsvlevino mozards, romlis samkaro da sotsialuri garemo
satsinaagmdegos kadagebs? aris, magram dzalian tsitsaboa es gza. me
isits ki ar vitsi saidan unda davitskot.
Natia
BesikiNews
David Chelidze <ch...@removethis.psu.edu> wrote:
> >[cut].... me piradad "mxilebuli"vikavi kapitan nemos pirovnebashi.
> > ufro metits, es imdenad sinamdviled miichnies rom NET angarishi gauuqmes
>
> chemtvis. samtsuxarod am jgopis zogierti tsevrebi kidev usmenen shens,
> geslita da bogmit gonebadabnelebuli adamianis, tsilistsamebebs.
>
> kidev ertxel kategoriulad vatsxadeb sheni amxanagis angarishis
> gaukmebastan aravitari kavshiri ar gvkonia! mag angarishi she tviton
> gauukme shens amxanags!
====
Besiki - ki davit turme me vuchivle mas....
=====
>es sruli tsilistsamebaa shens mxriv da tu ar
> moeshvebi USAPUDZVLO tsilistsamebas, idzulebuli viknebi satanado zomebi
> mivigo.
=====
Besiki - Go head Davit, ukve kargad itsit tu rogor dasajot tavxedi xalxi...tu
gind me tviton mogtsemt chemi Net angarishis momsaxure administratsiis
misamarts. neta ras etkvit exla es iqneba gasakviri...
=====
>
> > chems amxanags da mere meubnebian rom ratom esa tqvi da ratom isao. Davit
> > Cheidzem rom me mimitana echvad tsxadia, magram gasakviri isaa rom,
> > uzrdelobashi rom mamxila, ratom xmas ar igebda tavis forumze sadats turme
> > "Zvania dakodes" da "Shevardnadzis tsoli turme lesbianka kofila"...
>
> gasashterebeli pirdapir! Zvaniasa da Shevardnadze, besik, xalxma ukbilod
> ixumra - rasats satanado shepaseba mietsa igive boardze (shensgan
> gansxvavebit avtorebma agiares rom gadaacharbes).
====
Besiki - kargad vitsi rom man ixumra da mets xumrobit vupasuxe. tumtsa man es
seriozulad miigo da bodishi moixada.
======
>sulats ar mikvirs rom
> shen es kmedeba gamogrcha mxedvelobidan -- ras izam ar dzalgidzs stsor
> shukshi dainaxo simartle.
====
Besiki - ar gamomrchenia, me marto paraleli gavakete "nemostan". ise mas ar
sheedzlo xumroba???
=====
>
> > ara
> > mgonia rom davitma am tserilis damtseris Net angarishi sheamotsma da avtori
> > dasaja, ratom?
>
> imitom, rom im tserilis avtorebma tavisi shetsdoma agiares da meti agar
> gaumeorebiat. shenvis es mtsneba (danashaulis agiareba) gaugebaria,
> radgan shens ukugmart da bilts kmedebas verts agikvam da verst agiareb.
====
Besiki - imitom rom chemi xumroba ver gaigo da agiara, tumtsa shen amis
taobaze saertod xma ar amogigia.
=====
>
> > imitom rom shevardnadzis tsoli misi tsoli araa? amastanave
> > igive Chelidze mxilebul iqna tavisive sheqmnil Chat roomze sruli
> > uzrdeobisatvis da tavxedobisatvis (ixilet misi forumi, tserili "chatelebi
> > mxilebul iqnen") rusi gogonebtan mimartebashi....
>
> amaze sitsilis meti ara damrchenia ra. eg rusi gogo ki ar iko, chemo
> ukugmarto besik, aramed chveni chatis tsevri "jeba" - romelits mamrobiti
> skesis tsarmomadgenelia.
===
Besiki - me iq ar vikavi da arts mainteresebs; shens forumze ki ase ar
foqroben.
====
>man 'ixumra' da "natashad" mogvevlina -
> shesabamisad dasjili ikna da gavadzeve chatidan.
====
Besiki - dasjili iqna imotom rom "natashis' saxeli miigo??? sasatsiloa... da
amitom gaadzeve? sheni iq saubridan ar chans rom shen shenishne misi vinaoba
shesadzloa vtsdebi...
=====
>eg messagits xumroba
> iko, rogorts chemi "board"-s kvela tsevrma stsored agikva -- shens
> garda, ra tkma unda.
====
Besiki - kvelas rom stsored ageqva es faqti shen ase ar "gamogamziurebdnen" da
sxvata azri is iko rom am tserilis avtors dautskes mititebani es ar unda
gageketebinao. zogma ki daamata rom ar unda mogtseulikavit ase...
>shen xom kvelaperi ukugma unda daatrialo da gaigo:)
> -- egeb vinmes tsili dastsamo da tavs lapi daasxa.
===
Besiki - ukve dagtsame tsili ver xedav da lapi dagsxi turme:)
====
>
> > amas imitom ki ar vambob
> > rom daviti esti da isetia, ubralod kvelas mosdis shetsdomebi da unda
vapatiot
> > ertmanets, gansakutrebit ki mat vints sxvas miutitebs "shavi" xaro da tavad
> > uares nabijebs adgams...
>
> gasashterebeli pirdapir! aba ristvis laparakob besik? am forumze chemi
> samxilebeli agaraperi dagrcha da chems sakutar forums etsvie
> "kompromatis" shesagroveblad? :)
====
Besiki - igive sitkvebi rom tavad migego da ase gagego es tserili uketesi
iqneboda... tu dagavitskda rogor "gamoamzeure" chems shesaxeb tserili
"Orthodox Ng-dan" ai xalxo asetia Besiki batonio da amitom vsjito. xom ar
dagavitskda???
====
>... ikavi datsemuli sulierad kidev ar megona...
====
Besiki - amaze ki didi madloba, tu aqamde ar gegone aseti znedatsemuli da
mxolod exla daminaxe...
====
>
> > samtsuxaroa rom es kvelaferi ese xdeba imis magivrad
> > rom gavamxnevot da mxari davuchirod ertmanets.
>
> midit gaamxnevet besiki! :)) egeb tkvenzets midzebnos "kompromati" --
> ise bevri dzebna ar chirdeba besiks -- rats gagiketebiat kvelaperi
> arastsoria :))
====
Besiki - me ar mchirdeba aravis gamxneveba. tumtsa es ukanasknelits sakmaod
maqvs... ise ki am grdznobas kvela sachiroebs, tavad shents. tu dagavitskda
rom rogori gulistkivili agnishnavdi pirvelad rom shens forumze aravin
shemodioda anda shen qartul eleqtronul jurnalze aravin araferi stqva. ase
araa...
=====
>
> > chemi tserilis mizani ar tsarmoadgens vinmes mxilebasa tu
> > sakutari tavis gandidebas.
>
> ara, besik, ara!!!:) shen tsminda filatropistuli motivebi gakvs :))
====
Beseki - rogorts ginda ise chatvale Davit; ise bodishs mogixdit kvelas rom
pasuxs ar gtsemt... sashinlad tsudad var da amastanave dzalzed dakavbuli.
albat momitevebt...
=====
>
> > ara, ubralod, zogjer simartlesats unda shevxedot
> > tvalebshi, gindats sarkeshi sakutari tavi davinaxot.
>
> hahahaha, mokled, besik -- magari xumara xar,
===
Besiki - es ki kargi "komplimentia". ase rom ikve chemtan mimartebashi
gantskobili koveltvis ra michirda:)
====
>ai! erti shennairi sarke
> ashovnina kvela borot adamians --
===
Besiki - "boroti" - dzalian rbili sitkvaa tsota raime daamate...
===
>imtsutshi kvela tavis kmedebasa da
> motivs natel shukshi dainaxavda :)) agarts sindisis kejna eknebodat da
> agars tkuili nerviuloba ukugmarti saktsielis chadenaze :))
>
> > piradad, ar vapireb am
> > temaze saubris gagrdzelebas da vinmestan kamats (tsinastar bodishi)
>
> vai rom, pitsi mtsams da bolo makvirvebs, besik! :))) memgoni sheni
> mxridan "saubris" (upro stsored tsilistamebis kompaniis) argagrdzelebaze
> bevrs epareba echvi...
===
Besiki - namdvilad ar vapireb gavagrdzelo amaze laparaki rametu tsina tserilis
azri stsored ver gaiget...
===
>
> > ase rom
> > tu raimeshi vtsdebi bodishi da tu raimea dasamatebeli chems gareshe
> > imoqmedet.
>
> ara, ra bichia chveni besiki, ara? kats tsili dastsama, atasi chori
> mougona, arapers moerida tavis ktsevashi da exla atsxadebs "tu raimes
> vtsdebi bodishi"-o:)
====
Besiki - tsilistsameba shen forumze unda gangexila da ara aq. ratom ar dasaje
is katsi rom "gamxila" rus gogonastan saubarshi. ai is unda dasajo:)
====
>
> mag simartlit gagimarjosa da gagaxaros gmertma, chemo besik!
> "mxilebuli" chelo
====
Besiki - madlobt. You are too kind today:)
===
Alligator
like " at wrong time & wrong place"
>>ai! erti shennairi sarke
>> ashovnina kvela borot adamians --
:) Sarkeshi kureba rom rames shvelodes :) Albat sicilis otaxi kvela
saavadmkoposhi ikneboda :)
>Besiki - "boroti" - dzalian rbili sitkvaa tsota raime daamate...
Duke :) Are U into Sado-Maso too?
Thanks,
Alligator
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/silver/36
shakro papa
mec shensavit "akhali" var ak.
ak zogierti martlac rom "gvirabs tkhris bombeidan londonamde" .
imedi makvs sheicvleba rame
Shakro II papa
Nana Bukhsianidze
da chveni mogvatseebi melnis dazogvas shedgomian.
mamis saxeli ragas cvlis? :-)
--------------------------------------------------------------------
l...@mail.utexas.edu
> mamis saxeli ragas cvlis? :-)
:))) Mamas....albat :)) aba meti ra unda shetsvalos? :))
Ise im taobis (da am taobisaz sheidzleba) "autoritetebs" albat ar unda atkobdet
mamis saxelebis gaukmeba da misi uarkopitad chveneba. Xom mogexsenebat....tu
rogor "aadvilebs" comunicatsias......"-*ich. -obit mimartva " :))
Garda amisa...... "tesierma" da kurisdamgdebma sidzeebma rogor unda mimarton
"protektor" simamrebs, mag axal....mamissaxel gaukmebul situatsiashi? :))
Ise....mag sakitxze ...raime axali info tu geknat...gtxovt gamoakveknot...anda
e-mailit mainz momatodot.
L.D.
shakro papa
metki ,magram... es 1 main unda gitkhra: 1.ar mitskino ilias perefrazi.
2.web gverdi skhvaa da NG skhva. kargia rom mkholod kartulad kamatobt.
3.ramdenadac me vici momavali modzgvari(mgvdeli) saero sakmeebshi ar unda
ereodes(tumca mkhilebis upleba akvs).es didi rjulis kanonis
dargvevaa.politikosi mgvdlebis arsebobac chvens uakhles istoriashi didi
rjulis kanonis dargveva iko.
tu vinmem rame shescoda(eriskaculad rom vtkvat"mihkara") shens tsinashe
mitevebas da patiebas shengan unda vscavlobdet.
web gverdze karg sakmes aketeb da chventan - tcodvilebtan kamatshi
dros nu dakargav da "karmas" nu iphucheb
pativiscemit
Shakro II papa
P.S. aset temaze met messegs ar gamovushveb . ar shens da arc shems dros ar
davkargav. gpirdebi.
shakro papa
Chelos boardzec iko am temaze kamati da chemi azri iko: miecat adamianisatvis
archevnis sashualeba sheetana tu ar sheetana erovneba dabadebis
motsmobashi(e.i. mshoblebs edzleoda upleba). tavisupleba da demokratia khom
stsored archevis uplebis da sashualebis konaa. aseti statistikis(es ikneboda
dinamiuri statistika) kona sashualebas miscemda mtavrobas upro kargi analizi
gaeketebina erov.umc.sakitkhis mimart.
ki kartuli naciistvis rac mokhda saprtkhes ar tsarmoadgens, magram ra
garantiaa rom ramdenime tselitsadshi igive reakcia ar ekneba am pakts rac
konda rusetshi? Shakro II papa
lev...@my-dejanews.com
Nana Bukhsianidze <gr...@nospammeridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> moklet chemi shtabechdileba shemdegia, jurnalistebma ver gaiges ra xdeba
> da chveni mogvatseebi melnis dazogvas shedgomian.
nana, shen guluxvi xar. chemi shtabecdileba gacilebit uaresia :-)
> mamis saxeli ragas cvlis? :-)
es msoplmxedvelobata omia. rusebi qvelapers akcevdnen quradgebas. mati
centralizaciss survili qopis qvela dargshi icreboda, mat shoris rusuli
saxelis pormis gavrcelebashi.
tu komunistebis xavili martalia, sheijleba sakartvelos mtavroba cdilobs
am erti rusuli gavlenis nimushic moshalos. simboluria magram mainc
mnishvnelovani.
komunistebis girsebis (tu ugirsobis) dasturia is rom amis ubrjolvelad datmbac
ar surt. amashi tavinati mzis morig dabnelebas xedaven.
ra tkma unda sinamdvileshi mrtavari isaa ramdenad shemcirdeba im kartvelta
ricxvi romlebic aratu taviant 'nachalniks' aramed sakutar mshobelsac 'ichobit'
mimartavs. samcuxarod piradad vicnob ramdenime asets.
levani
bid...@my-dejanews.com
pasportshi ar unda iqnes erovneba moxseniebuli. koveli tavmokvare saxelmtsifo
tanastsorad unda icavdes tavis moqalaqeta uflebebs erovnebis miuxedavad.
(pasporti xom _moqalaqeobriobis_ damadasturebeli sabutia).
amastan, gavbedav da ert shenishvnas mogtsem shens tseriltan dakavshirebit:
In article <7c9c6j$ojk$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
lev...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
[cut...]
> :-) gasasterebli pirdapir. Amis mere gasakviri rom kartevelebi ver axerxeben
> kveqnis martvas? bulgareli mjgolis mabis ari iqos, ra gaxda _faktis_
> dadgena?
levan, ukve sakmao xania vkitxulob shens tserilebs da rodesac qartvelebzea
laparaki, mat koveltvis mesame pirshi moixsenieb xolme. "kartvelebs hgoniat",
"kartvelebi ver axerxeben", etc.
ratom levan? es arastsoria.
unda ikos: "kartvelebs ar shegvidzlia", "kartvelebi ver vaxerxebt", etc.
:)
bidzina
Marika
shakro papa <sha...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> Getankhmebi Levarsi
>
> Chelos boardzec iko am temaze kamati da chemi azri iko: miecat adamianisatvis
> archevnis sashualeba sheetana tu ar sheetana erovneba dabadebis
> motsmobashi(e.i. mshoblebs edzleoda upleba). tavisupleba da demokratia khom
> stsored archevis uplebis da sashualebis konaa. aseti statistikis(es ikneboda
> dinamiuri statistika) kona sashualebas miscemda mtavrobas upro kargi analizi
> gaeketebina erov.umc.sakitkhis mimart.
ukve ramodenimejer gamoitqva es azri - rom mtavrobas gauadvildeba mosaxleobis
etnikuri wemadgenlobis wepaseba da a.w. erti ram mainteresebs, neta rogor
moaxerxeben magas - kvelas satitaod pasports weumocmeben? aris amisatvis
mosaxlebis aghricxva romelic unda tardebodes regularulad, ara?
chemi azrit es kvelaperi ert mizans emsaxureba - kidev erti mizezi rom xalxs
puli dasdzalon. vis rawi ainteresbs pasportwi anda sxva sabutwi etnikurobis
wetana? mxolod imas vinc pasports wegicvlis (da maszed zemod mdgomt - all the
way up :-)). gamoacxadeben mere - vtqvat, 2000 clis maisistvis kvelas axali
pasporti unda qondes - dzveli aghar imoqmedebso - da atkdeba erti ambavi:
visac tu mogzauroba, scavla, binis and manqanis kidva unda - damatebiti xarji
- axali pasporti sascrapod, da rodis iko rame sascrapod ketdeboda, sapasurs
kidev ori imdeni tu ar daumate. mere vis ra etnikuroba ekutvnis - egec ra
kargi ckaroa. wen nametani saechvo gvari gaqvs, iqneb sulac qartveli ara
xar!? :-)
M.
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> Getankhmebi Levarsi
>
> Chelos boardzec iko am temaze kamati da chemi azri iko: miecat adamianisatvis
> archevnis sashualeba sheetana tu ar sheetana erovneba dabadebis
> motsmobashi(e.i. mshoblebs edzleoda upleba). tavisupleba da demokratia khom
> stsored archevis uplebis da sashualebis konaa. aseti statistikis(es ikneboda
> dinamiuri statistika) kona sashualebas miscemda mtavrobas upro kargi analizi
> gaeketebina erov.umc.sakitkhis mimart.
es bolo tsinadadeba sakmaod sainteresoa. titkmis ar amaxvilebs amaze
kuradgebas aravin.
sakme imashia erti xelis mosmit kvelas mxolod mokalakeebad gamocxadeba
cota ar ikos asimilacias hgavs?;-)
anu tu etnikuri umciresoba xar, tavshi kvac gixlia, araferi amaze ar
metkvelebs garda sheni axirebuli tsarmodgenebisao. rac mimachnia rom
cota ar ikos gadacharbebulia.
sakartveloshi saukuneebis ganmavlobashi cxovrobdnen kurtebi da aisorebi,
me vfikrob rom am xalxebs dacva schirdeba. somxebs didi dacva ar
chirdebat, mshvenivrad grdznoben tavs somxetshic da somxets garet
dasavletshi xom saertod. magram kvelas ert tafaze ver moatavseb. ra knan
axla am aisorebma magati samshoblo rom agar arsebobs? anda kurtebma
romlebsac mxolod turkebis erakelebis da iranelebis dzaladoba da mxecoba
elit tavian mshobliur mitsaze? amitom vfikrob rom etnikuroba sadgac unda
ikos mititebuli da kvelaze uketesi adgili dabadebis motsmobaa amisatvis.
nutu amerikashi rom modian ebraelebi am tavis ebraelobas imit
amtkiceben, rom mamikom tkva misi dediko ebraeli ikoo? ragac dzalian
mepareba echvi amashi.
ise ebraelebis garda msoflioshi bevri tanjuli da jvarcmuli eria, ( me
mgoni chvenc daaxloebit mag kategoriashi shevdivart) amitom mtlad
ebraelebivit tu ver gaijejileben ikneb tavianti erovnebis da meobis
shenarchunebashi xeli ar shevushalot.
nana
lev...@my-dejanews.com
Marika <na...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> In article <7c9prf$4r4$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> shakro papa <sha...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> > archevnis sashualeba sheetana tu ar sheetana erovneba dabadebis
> > motsmobashi(e.i. mshoblebs edzleoda upleba).
shakro, mec qoveltvis mimachnda rom roca dabadebis mocmobaas exeba sakme,
somboluri mosazrebebis gamo archevani unda arsebobdes. chemi azrit,
standartizaciis gamo araa mizansheconili zog dabadebis mocmobashi iqos da
zigshi ar iqos eg monacemi, amitom visac surs calke pormas mivcemdi,
standartultan ertad.
rac sheexeba kveqnis etnikur shemadgenlobas, sheijleba mosaxleobis agceris
dros, romelic male unda chards cesit, erti kitxva mas exebodes da amit
edevnos tvali mag sakitxs.
ise ki, megrelebs da svanebs sagangebod ar agnishnavs sakartvelos agcera ukve
50 celze metia magram amit isini ar gamkralan. xolo chvens megobar rusebs
jalian surt rom es ori ethnikuri jgupi tvalsachinod iqos moxseniebuli
sakartvelos mosaxleobis shemadgenlovbashi. mixvdebi ratomac albat :-)
> chemi azrit es kvelaperi ert mizans emsaxureba - kidev erti mizezi rom xalxs
> puli dasdzalon.
nana, es gasakviri ar ikneba dgevandeli kartuli mtavrobis mxridan. da mainc
imeds vitoveb rom mtlad masec araa sakme.
gamoacxadeben mere - vtqvat, 2000 clis maisistvis kvelas axali
> pasporti unda qondes - dzveli aghar imoqmedebso - da atkdeba erti ambavi:
magram dgevandel kartul pasportshi (romelic mxolod kveqnis garet gasvlisas
gaicema) etnikurobis grapa ara arsebobs.
levani
lev...@my-dejanews.com
bid...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> levan, ukve sakmao xania vkitxulob shens tserilebs da rodesac qartvelebzea
> laparaki, mat koveltvis mesame pirshi moixsenieb xolme. "kartvelebs hgoniat",
> "kartvelebi ver axerxeben", etc.
bidzina, es mec didi xania shevnishene da martali gitxra tavad ver shevjeli
amexsna damajereblad. erti isaa rom zog shemtxvevahi meotxe piri rom vixmaro
chemi tavic unda mivatalo, rac arascori ikneba.
uketesia upro davakonkreto romel jgups vexebi rasac momavlashi vecdebi
L_e_x_o
> sxvatashoris saintereso ram gavige. turme pasportshi etnikurobis
> chastera imxela davis sagani arc kofila rogorc dabadebis motsmobebshi.
> gvkonda iko ik xazgasmuli dabadebis motsmoba? me piradad aseti ram ar
> tsamikitxavs. xoda... ismis shekitxva informaciis mxolod natsilis da
> tanac im natsilis rac kartvel inteligencias, kartvel xalxs umotskalo
> nacionalistebad da saberdznet turket izraelis doneze moazrovneebad
> tsarmosaxavs, ra miznebs emsaxureba? dabadebis motsmobashi nebakoflobit
> etnikurobis shetana vitom ra aseti velurobaa? ratom vitom? me sul ar
> mgonia es cudi. tumca pasportshi da kvela shesavseb formashi es ar unda
> itserebodes cxadia.
Ra tkma Unda, Pasportebze aravin davobs. Vinc davobs, davobs scored dabadebis
mocmobaze da kidev mamis saxelze, romelic aseve amoiges sruliad gaugebari
(tu gasagebi) mizezis gamo.
Me piradad orives aucileblad vtvli.
L_e_x_o
L_e_x_o
> mamis saxelis moshla komunistebis bodvaa tu sakartvelos mtavrobam martla
> gadacqvita am rusuli gavlenis moshoreba. es kvlav gaurkvevelia.
Ra shuashia rusuli gavlena, Sad ikvnen rusebi, roca kartvelebshi mamis saxeli
ixsenieboda? Umetesi gvarebis xom akedan carmodgeba?!
Saertod, ratom ar unda ikos mamis saxeli? identifikaciisatvis marto saxeli da
gvari rom sakmarisi araa, xom faktia da ra, ori saxeli dairkvan kartvelebma,
amerikelebivit, rac martlac da rom ar arsebobda tradiciulad?
Mamis saxelis rom kacs shercxveba, ra vutxra iset kacs.
L_e_x_o
shakro papa <sha...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> gamarjoba bidzina
> mec shensavit "akhali" var ak.
> ak zogierti martlac rom "gvirabs tkhris bombeidan londonamde" .
> imedi makvs sheicvleba rame
>
> Shakro II papa
Kartveli xaar, shakro papaaa?
(vgulisxmob, sakartvelodaan sceer?) :-)
Mec sakartvelodaan vsceer.
Mokitxvit, Lexo
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> > mamis saxelis moshla komunistebis bodvaa tu sakartvelos mtavrobam martla
> > gadacqvita am rusuli gavlenis moshoreba. es kvlav gaurkvevelia.
>
> Ra shuashia rusuli gavlena, Sad ikvnen rusebi, roca kartvelebshi mamis saxeli
> ixsenieboda? Umetesi gvarebis xom akedan carmodgeba?!
>
> Saertod, ratom ar unda ikos mamis saxeli? identifikaciisatvis marto saxeli da
> gvari rom sakmarisi araa, xom faktia da ra, ori saxeli dairkvan kartvelebma,
> amerikelebivit, rac martlac da rom ar arsebobda tradiciulad?
>
> Mamis saxelis rom kacs shercxveba, ra vutxra iset kacs.
mec vfikrobdi netav ratomaa es rusuli tko. imdenjer tsamikitxavs, esada
es amis da amis dzeo dzvel tsakroebshi. ra shuashia ruseti?
gitxarit, melans zogaven metki da ar gjeravt.:-)
ra sisulelea gmertmani.
bolobolo gadatskvites mamis saxelis amogeba?
atsi kartvelebma axali saxelebi unda dairkvan. magalitad amovigot
tsarsulidan silibistro, polikarpe afrosine da shevuertot dges
gamokenebul saxelebs.
ise marika martalia amistana kanonebis gadamkide mgoni kovel tsles axali
dokumentebis ageba dagvchirdeba.
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> Kartveli xaar, shakro papaaa?
> (vgulisxmob, sakartvelodaan sceer?) :-)
ehh....
gamurebivit mogvdis vinc ik agar vart.
Alligator
> ehh....
>gamurebivit mogvdis vinc ik agar vart.
Seriozulad, ras gulisxmob Nana?
Thanks,
Alligator
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/silver/36
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> >> (vgulisxmob, sakartvelodaan sceer?) :-)
> > ehh....
> >gamurebivit mogvdis vinc ik agar vart.
>
> Seriozulad, ras gulisxmob Nana?
>
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> In article <7cce57$epj$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, shakro papa
> <sha...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>
> > LEXOS
> > lexo akac archevani unda mieces adamians. piradobis motsmobashi da nebismier
> > skhva sabutshi mamais sakhelis anu "SECOND NAME"s mititeba aucilebeli araa.
> > visac rckhvenia an skhva mizezebis(magaliti LASHA ARUTINAS DZE DADESHKELIANI
> > mimikhvdi?)gamo sheudzlia ar datceros.ubralod ar unda .dzalian
> > grdzelia...da.a.sh.
> >
> ---
> >
> > MARIKAS MARIKA sakartveloshi khar tu garet? mag. shtatebshi kvela sachiro
> > informacia devs nomershi :) . mimikhvdi? e.i. statistikistvis ara akvs
> > mnishvneloba ra utseria imas motcmobashi mamis sakhelic rom ar eceros an
> > gamocvlili ikos # igive rcheba. we need to work smart not to hard. me
> > namdvilad ar minda raime pulis makhe rom gaaketon mosakhleogis gasatkaveblad.
> > tu vigac mag gundidan ggonivar misamarti shegeshala. aseti pulis makheebi
> > aris tskaro bevr organizaciisa. da es kargia dakarge mag: paspori?- 40$
> > akhali. kuradgebit unda iko torem 40$ dakargav. money talks and works
> >
>
> Batono shakro :-)
>
> martali gitxra ver mivxvdi ra "nomerzea" aq laparaki da wtatebwi kopnas ra
> mniwvneloba aqvs... tu "namek" scored gavige veraprit ver dagetanxmebi.
> ai idzaxi - adamians unda mieces sawualeba tviton gadackvitos pasportwi tu
> chaceros tavisi erovneba an mamis an meore saxeli... xoda ras gamoicvevs
> es?
me shakro papas natkvami ase gavige rom socialur securities nomershi
mteli informacia devso. sxvatashoris me shevamchnie ro driver license
aseve ragac farulad atarebs informacia chemze. magalitad chemi saxelis
asoa, shtatis nomeri da albat sadgac emigrantis nomeric aris dartkmuli.
magram me amashi veravin gamarkvevs. ux ra chkvianebi arian? chven kidev
rasac kvia dagvigia pirebi da kvelas gulaxdilad laparaks vtxovt. :-)
>visac eg grapa pasportwi ar gaachnia naxevar-adamianad miigheben.
pasportshi da piradobis motsmobashi ar unda etseros araferi maseti
magram dabadebis motsmobashi ki. ikneb vinmes eamakeba tavisi kurtoba.
sxvatashoris me viamakebdi. mere ra arsad ar unda shemedzlos amis
chatsera? mtlad gadamlashebac ar varga, etnikuroba uflebaa da ara
privilegia sxvatashoris.
>ra
> sachiroa isedac ertmanetze gulmosuli da nackeni xalxis kidev upro
> gaghizianeba da erovnebebis mixedvit dakopa?!
magi gmerts unda vkitxot babilonis godola rad ar agvashenebia: dagvko da
gavtisha. :-)
>
> albat bevri gamibrazdeba magram me chem azrs mainc gamovtqvam - vinc
> sakartvelowia dabadebuli da gazrdilia, rac ar unda gvari qondes qartveli
> unda erqvas.
me mgonui kartveli suleli unda ikos magaze rom gabrazdes, magram
umciresobebi ki magra gagiziandebian. ra rusetshi rom mecxovra rusi unda
vkofilikavi?
anda ak rom var amerikeli var? ragac ucxo frinvelad vgrdzonb tavs. me
mgoni ar var. arc minda. magram dedamitsis shvili var da kvelgan unda
shemedzlos cxovreba tu vinmes safrtxes ar vukmni ratkmaunda.
>ai vinc kanonit itvleba saqartvelos moqalaqed is "by dafault"
> qartveli unda ikos.
daanebebs azerbaijaneli mosaxleoba gamravlebas tavs, uceb kartvelebad
rom gaigvidzeben. :-)
moklet sakmaod saintereso sakitxia.
amerikas ver mivbadzavt megobrebo amashi. es kvekana dzalian
specifiuria. aborigenebi da avtokhtoni ak rezervaciashi zis. danarcheni
turkselchukivitaa shemosuli. amitom etnikuri ambiciebi dachlungebulia.
rasobrivi kidev aris isev specifiuri tsarsulis gamo afrika
mankanatmshenebel karxanad rom tsarmoidgines. rasobrivi sxvaobebi
chventan araa, magram aborigenoba da ase shemdeg didi faktoria.
amerikis mibadzvam siscxliani momavali sheidzleba shvas. ise rogorc
sabchota kavshirshi xalxta dzalit chamegobrebam da faruli antagonizmis
vitom gakrobam. anu xelovnurobam. ufro evropis magalitebi gamogvadgeba.
shakro papa
gipasukhot
kvelas. es tu ukherkhulobas gikmnit mashin agnishnet da chveulebriv cal calke
mivcem "replys".
..........
In article <36E900...@nospammeridianworldservices.com>,
Nana Bukhsianidze <gr...@nospammeridianworldservices.com> wrote:
NANAS :
chvens droshi kvelaze kai varianti iko kvelaperi daetovebinat ise rogorc iko.
ekhal ik daitckeba da ukve aris umartavi procesebi. erikhelis mosmit
mokalakeebad gamockhadeba ar sheidzleba. amis shesakheb parlaments mgoni
kanoni ukve migebuli akvs(vin sheidzleba ikos sakartvelos mokalake). me ar
vici ik ra tseria.kovel shemtkhvevashi unda ikos sakartvelos mokalakestan
ertad ara mokalakis upleba movaleobani da mekalaked migebis tsesi. 1 tkhovna
kvelas tu ki vinme parlamentis serveridan gamodikhart an kavshiri gakvt
mattan.gadaecit rom biograpiebis postirebas webze jobia kanonebis(umc, mok da
skhva)web gverdi gaaketon 3enovani. es dazogavs puls da skhva ramesac roca
uckhoettan chirdebat saubari.
rac sheekheba umciresobebs. unda ikos umciresobis ganmarteba. "cotani vart",
"chven skhvanairi gmerti gvtsams", "chven ganskhvavebuli sex gemovneba gvakvs"
vinc amas ambobs ar nishnavs rom is umciresobaa.
shemdeg ganmartebuli unda ikos vin aris erovnuli umciresoba sakartveloshi.
chemis azrit:
osebi, abkhazebi, kurtebi da aisorebi
shemdeg am umciresobata uplebebi damatebit mokalakis uplebebtan.
nana erovnulobis archevis da statistikis shesakheb MARIKAS vpasukhob.
torem sul tkven rom gipasukhot danarcheni upasukhod damcheba :)
_____________________________________________
LEXO
Ra tkma Unda, Pasportebze aravin davobs. Vinc davobs, davobs scored dabadebis
mocmobaze da kidev mamis saxelze, romelic aseve amoiges sruliad gaugebari
(tu gasagebi) mizezis gamo.
Me piradad orives aucileblad vtvli.
Ra shuashia rusuli gavlena, Sad ikvnen rusebi, roca kartvelebshi mamis saxeli
ixsenieboda? Umetesi gvarebis xom akedan carmodgeba?!
Saertod, ratom ar unda ikos mamis saxeli? identifikaciisatvis marto saxeli da
gvari rom sakmarisi araa, xom faktia da ra, ori saxeli dairkvan kartvelebma,
amerikelebivit, rac martlac da rom ar arsebobda tradiciulad?
Mamis saxelis rom kacs shercxveba, ra vutxra iset kacs.
L_e_x_o
LEXOS
lexo akac archevani unda mieces adamians. piradobis motsmobashi da nebismier
skhva sabutshi mamais sakhelis anu "SECOND NAME"s mititeba aucilebeli araa.
visac rckhvenia an skhva mizezebis(magaliti LASHA ARUTINAS DZE DADESHKELIANI
mimikhvdi?)gamo sheudzlia ar datceros.ubralod ar unda .dzalian
grdzelia...da.a.sh.
identurobis shesakheb ikhile kvemot
___________________________________________
In article <7cb9jr$cr0$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
Marika <na...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> In article <7c9prf$4r4$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> shakro papa <sha...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> > Getankhmebi Levarsi
> >
> > Chelos boardzec iko am temaze kamati da chemi azri iko: miecat
adamianisatvis
> > archevnis sashualeba sheetana tu ar sheetana erovneba dabadebis
> > motsmobashi(e.i. mshoblebs edzleoda upleba). tavisupleba da demokratia khom
> > stsored archevis uplebis da sashualebis konaa. aseti statistikis(es ikneboda
> > dinamiuri statistika) kona sashualebas miscemda mtavrobas upro kargi analizi
> > gaeketebina erov.umc.sakitkhis mimart.
>
> ukve ramodenimejer gamoitqva es azri - rom mtavrobas gauadvildeba mosaxleobis
> etnikuri wemadgenlobis wepaseba da a.w. erti ram mainteresebs, neta rogor
> moaxerxeben magas - kvelas satitaod pasports weumocmeben? aris amisatvis
> mosaxlebis aghricxva romelic unda tardebodes regularulad, ara?
>
> chemi azrit es kvelaperi ert mizans emsaxureba - kidev erti mizezi rom xalxs
> puli dasdzalon. vis rawi ainteresbs pasportwi anda sxva sabutwi etnikurobis
> wetana? mxolod imas vinc pasports wegicvlis (da maszed zemod mdgomt - all the
> way up :-)). gamoacxadeben mere - vtqvat, 2000 clis maisistvis kvelas axali
> pasporti unda qondes - dzveli aghar imoqmedebso - da atkdeba erti ambavi:
> visac tu mogzauroba, scavla, binis and manqanis kidva unda - damatebiti xarji
> - axali pasporti sascrapod, da rodis iko rame sascrapod ketdeboda, sapasurs
> kidev ori imdeni tu ar daumate. mere vis ra etnikuroba ekutvnis - egec ra
> kargi ckaroa. wen nametani saechvo gvari gaqvs, iqneb sulac qartveli ara
> xar!? :-)
>
> M.
MARIKAS MARIKA sakartveloshi khar tu garet? mag. shtatebshi kvela sachiro
informacia devs nomershi :) . mimikhvdi? e.i. statistikistvis ara akvs
mnishvneloba ra utseria imas motcmobashi mamis sakhelic rom ar eceros an
gamocvlili ikos # igive rcheba. we need to work smart not to hard. me
namdvilad ar minda raime pulis makhe rom gaaketon mosakhleogis gasatkaveblad.
tu vigac mag gundidan ggonivar misamarti shegeshala. aseti pulis makheebi
aris tskaro bevr organizaciisa. da es kargia dakarge mag: paspori?- 40$
akhali. kuradgebit unda iko torem 40$ dakargav. money talks and works
_________________________________________________________________________
In article <7cbiou$m0f$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
lev...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7cb9jr$cr0$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> Marika <na...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> > In article <7c9prf$4r4$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > shakro papa <sha...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> > miecat adamianisatvis
> > > archevnis sashualeba sheetana tu ar sheetana erovneba dabadebis
> > > motsmobashi(e.i. mshoblebs edzleoda upleba).
chemi azrit,
> standartizaciis gamo araa mizansheconili zog dabadebis mocmobashi iqos da
> zigshi ar iqos eg monacemi, amitom visac surs calke pormas mivcemdi,
> standartultan ertad.
>
> rac sheexeba kveqnis etnikur shemadgenlobas, sheijleba mosaxleobis agceris
> dros, romelic male unda chards cesit, erti kitxva mas exebodes da amit
> edevnos tvali mag sakitxs.
>
> ise ki, megrelebs da svanebs sagangebod ar agnishnavs sakartvelos agcera ukve
> 50 celze metia magram amit isini ar gamkralan. xolo chvens megobar rusebs
> jalian surt rom es ori ethnikuri jgupi tvalsachinod iqos moxseniebuli
> sakartvelos mosaxleobis shemadgenlovbashi. mixvdebi ratomac albat :-)
>
LEVARSIS
LEVAN marikas vupasukhe statistikaze . rac agtceras puli unda comp.kselis
ganvitarebas moakhmaron jobia da sakmec gaadvildeba
SHAKRO II PAPA
Shakro II papa
lev...@my-dejanews.com
L_e_x_o <l_e...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> Ra shuashia rusuli gavlena, Sad ikvnen rusebi, roca kartvelebshi mamis saxeli
> ixsenieboda? Umetesi gvarebis xom akedan carmodgeba?!
lexo, chven gvarebis carmoshobaze ar vlaparakobt. gvari ucvlelia.
kartvels rom mivmartav rogorc cesi saxels an kal/batono+saxel vxmarob.
ramdeni kartveli ginaxvs zviad konstantines jeze rom laparakobdes? tavad zviad
gamsaxurdia rogor moikceoda ase rom miemarta mistvis vinmes.
> identifikaciisatvis marto saxeli da gvari rom sakmarisi araa,
romeli identifikaciistvis? qopiti urtiertobis dros kartvelebi ar mgonia
mamis saxelit ansxvavebdnen sexnia mogvareebs. qovel shemtxvevashi me rac
xalxshic vtrilebdi ase iqo.
opicialuri sakmecarmoeba sxva ambavia magram misi mogvareba sheijleba
rogormenairad
>ori saxeli dairkvan kartvelebma, amerikelebivit, rac martlac da rom ar
arsebobda tradiciulad?
qvela kutxeshi ara, tumca ori ki ara otxi da xutisaxeli erkva xalxs
sakartvelos mtianetshi. monatvlisas gana saeklesio saxeli ar ejleoda
bavshvs? tavad samegreloshi rogro iqo sakme? roca kartul gazetebshi
gardacvlilta gancxadbas vkitxulob, jalian xshirad vacqdebi or saxelian
adamianebs. da bolos, dedachems da dedachemsac ori saxeli akvs, zaira (ana)
da tea (zilpa). deidachems, mis metsaxels miatvlidi, sami gamouvidoda.
> Mamis saxelis rom kacs shercxveba, ra vutxra iset kacs.
lexo, zog rameshi vicro politikur interesebs unda gacde da
saerto erovnuli ram unda dainaxo. mamis saxelis moshoreba patara simboluri
nabijia romelic kartvlma erma gadadga sakutari saxis dasamtkiceblad.
misi dgevandeli ganmaxorcieleblis armoconebis gamo tavad am nabijs nu
ukuagdeb, torem cvrilmanuri kricashichadgomis kidev ert magalits mogvcem.
grmad mcams rom roca dasavletis arasamtvrobo organizebiebidan scavlob
mokalakeobrivi aktiurobis da pasuxismgeblurobis sesaxeb, amas ar gascavlian.
levani
Marika
<sha...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> LEXOS
> lexo akac archevani unda mieces adamians. piradobis motsmobashi da nebismier
> skhva sabutshi mamais sakhelis anu "SECOND NAME"s mititeba aucilebeli araa.
> visac rckhvenia an skhva mizezebis(magaliti LASHA ARUTINAS DZE DADESHKELIANI
> mimikhvdi?)gamo sheudzlia ar datceros.ubralod ar unda .dzalian
> grdzelia...da.a.sh.
>
---
>
> MARIKAS MARIKA sakartveloshi khar tu garet? mag. shtatebshi kvela sachiro
> informacia devs nomershi :) . mimikhvdi? e.i. statistikistvis ara akvs
> mnishvneloba ra utseria imas motcmobashi mamis sakhelic rom ar eceros an
> gamocvlili ikos # igive rcheba. we need to work smart not to hard. me
> namdvilad ar minda raime pulis makhe rom gaaketon mosakhleogis gasatkaveblad.
> tu vigac mag gundidan ggonivar misamarti shegeshala. aseti pulis makheebi
> aris tskaro bevr organizaciisa. da es kargia dakarge mag: paspori?- 40$
> akhali. kuradgebit unda iko torem 40$ dakargav. money talks and works
>
Batono shakro :-)
martali gitxra ver mivxvdi ra "nomerzea" aq laparaki da wtatebwi kopnas ra
mniwvneloba aqvs... tu "namek" scored gavige veraprit ver dagetanxmebi.
ai idzaxi - adamians unda mieces sawualeba tviton gadackvitos pasportwi tu
chaceros tavisi erovneba an mamis an meore saxeli... xoda ras gamoicvevs
es? visac eg grapa pasportwi ar gaachnia naxevar-adamianad miigheben. ra
sachiroa isedac ertmanetze gulmosuli da nackeni xalxis kidev upro
gaghizianeba da erovnebebis mixedvit dakopa?!
albat bevri gamibrazdeba magram me chem azrs mainc gamovtqvam - vinc
sakartvelowia dabadebuli da gazrdilia, rac ar unda gvari qondes qartveli
unda erqvas. ai vinc kanonit itvleba saqartvelos moqalaqed is "by dafault"
qartveli unda ikos. mere tu surs tavisi romelime cinaparis erovneba
miighos - mawin mieci eg tavisupleba.
da bolos - nacionalobis sapudzvelze sxva pirovnebis damcireba da suleluri
oxunjoba ukulturobis mimanishnebelia - tu nacionalobis sapudzvelze vinmes
cinaaghmdeg raime danawauli chaidine - kidev upro uaresi. pasportwi am
grapis shetana niwnavs amdagvari danawaulic dakanonebas.
america axsene - me ar minaxavs amerikul pasportwi grapa rasistvis - tetri
tu zangi da arc erovnulobis grapa arsebobs. aris mxolod moqalaqe.
erti is mitxarit tu vinmem icis iugoslaviawi neta sanam ertiani iugoslavia
iko serbebs, xorvatebs tu qondat pasportwi erovnebis grapa? nutu aqamde ar
iscavlet xalxo - klasebad, erovnebebad, kastebad, religiur jgupebad
dakopas arasdros araperi kargi ar moutania.
marika
George Gaprindashvili
would like to focus on this one:
>mastsavlebeli hedavs da raimes tsdilobs, hshirad saotsari nervebisa da
>brdzolis pasi ujdeba kovelive, rasats kvela ver udzlebs... dznelia
>skolismostsamleebis samkaroshi migebuli "kargi bichis" da "magari gogos"
>gagebis agmophvra, rotsa es "idealebi" arstsavlasa da skolidan
Unfortunately even adult Georgians do not tend to admit that the main
feature of a "kargi bichi" or "magari gogo" should be high
professionalism and fairness. That's what it comes from. "Tevzi
tavidan kroldeba..." Of course such people (adults or youngsters)
cannot survive on the West where unfair OR improfessional people have
zero value (thank's God).
Regards to all,
Gia Gaprindashvili
Systems Administrator and Programmer Analyst
Midwest Graphics
__________________
http://www.cs.umn.edu/~gaprinda
lev...@my-dejanews.com
natia <na...@psu.edu> wrote:
> is situatsia rats tbilisis skolebshia da ra midgomats
> sashualo skolis mostsavleta umetesobas (chemi azrit umetesobas) akvs
> stsavlis mimart - kartveli eris tragediaa. sad aris problemis dziri da
> satskisi?
natia es vrceli sakitxia da mas uecvelad bevri mizezi akvs. mat shoris chemi
azrit erti isaa rom saxelmcipo institutebis parglebshi carmatebis mopovebis
mcdeli xalxi bevrs am sistemis damkashad miachnia. vinaidan skola sabcota
saxelmcipos erti instituti iqo, ik bejitoba am sistemis mxardacerad
agikmeboda.
es damonebuli xalxis bunebrivi reakciaa: vinaidan aktiuri cinaagmdgoba
sashishia, pasiurad ecinaagmdegebi, e.i. ar scavlob da bejit moscavles
gariqav.
samcuxarod es uarqopiti damokidebuleba vrceldeba iset sakcielzec romelic ara
mxolod rusuli an komunisturi xelisuplebis jirgamomtxrelia, aramed tavad
kartvelistvis sasargeblo ramisac. hoda magalitad qvela bejiti moscavle
komunisti xdeba, imis miuxedavad _sakmit_ dakavshirebulia mattan tu ara.
tanac ara marto skolis moscavle, aramed nebismieri piri romelic cesrigis
moqvarulia. chemi klaselis mamas ejaxdnen komunistiao, imitom rom puris
gamqidvels zusti xurdis dabruneba motxova (!?)
araertxel shevescari am jgupshi, romelic kartuli sazogadoebis nimushia,
sabcota qopit xedvashecvlilma xalxma rogor agikva sazogado sakitxze azris
gamotkma komunistur kontrolis nishnad. Zviadma isic tkva krtams rom ar
ajlev komunisti xom ara xaro. am xalxs komunisti, e.i pirovneba romelic
miznis misagcevad araniar zneobriv kanonebs ar cnobs, patiosan adamintan qavt
gaigivebuli da amit normalur sazogadoebisken mimaval gzas tavadve ixergaven.
roca besikis alagmvaze iqo msjeloba, itkva rom mis sakcielze chivili
miugebeli iqo, imitom rom chivils sabcota kavshirshi cudi saxeli konda .
sanacvlod kcevis sacqaod tbilisis ubnis daucereli kanonebi mogvitanes. amis
mtkmeli samcuxarod am kveqnis ert ert sauketeso universitetidan icereboda.
ase mglis shishit cxvars cqvetaven da amitom dgevandel sakartveloshi aseti
cxvari (ganatlebuli and bejiti xalxi) naklebad moipoveba.
me mcared mecineba xolme adamianis aset dacemas rom vxedav. magram
carmoidgine ramxela dacolis kveshaa mozardi roca tanaklaselebis mier
gariqulia mxolod imitom rom scavla unda. gana chemsavit chaicinebs pasuxad
da qursac ar sheibertavs?
sxvebis ar vici da chemi dakvirvebit is xalxi romelic bejit mocapes komunists
ejaxis, xshirad scored am 'komunistta' lakiebis ojaxidanaa gamosuli.
Levani
shakro papa
gamosasvlelad igeb). rac sheekheba mamis sakhel sheudzlia miutitos iniciali
da "umamgrapo" ar ikneba tu ar unda. ise ki aucilebeli araa rom kacma kvela
grapas pasukhi gasces. me vguliskhmob dabadebis motsmobis #. shtatebshi aris
aseti(dabadebis mocmobis ara) social security number. ik chans romel shtatshi
(upro zustad areashi), ikna gacemuli. zogiertma mitkhra rom rasis dadgenac ki
sheudzlia (ramdenad martalia ar vici,ise ki es ukheshi dargvevaa ra tkma
unda) . dab motsmobis an ID nomeri sheidzleba gaketdes msgavsi.mkholod
statistikisatvis.
illar...@my-dejanews.com
Oriental culture.
Different question is, do we need to adhere to that particular tradition?
Personally I use only name and surname, just because it makes more sense to
me, and my attitude is "Fuck stupid traditions, progress is the change,
everything that is not subject to change is DEAD"
In article <7cbv3f$1jj$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
L_e_x_o <l_e...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>
> > mamis saxelis moshla komunistebis bodvaa tu sakartvelos mtavrobam martla
> > gadacqvita am rusuli gavlenis moshoreba. es kvlav gaurkvevelia.
>
> Ra shuashia rusuli gavlena, Sad ikvnen rusebi, roca kartvelebshi mamis saxeli
> ixsenieboda? Umetesi gvarebis xom akedan carmodgeba?!
>
> Saertod, ratom ar unda ikos mamis saxeli? identifikaciisatvis marto saxeli da
> gvari rom sakmarisi araa, xom faktia da ra, ori saxeli dairkvan kartvelebma,
> amerikelebivit, rac martlac da rom ar arsebobda tradiciulad?
>
> Mamis saxelis rom kacs shercxveba, ra vutxra iset kacs.
>
Nana Bukhsianidze
>
> Completely agree with you. It's not Russian influence, rather it's part of
> Oriental culture.
>
> Different question is, do we need to adhere to that particular tradition?
> Personally I use only name and surname, just because it makes more sense to
> me, and my attitude is "Fuck stupid traditions, progress is the change,
> everything that is not subject to change is DEAD"
centuries before Russians and I remeber reading father's name as one of
the important part of identity. So declaration that it is Russian is
quite populist.
I don't know what does this mean generally and I don't see the
importance of this change, but also I don't see any point in insisting
that father's name should be there. I know that in phone books it will
make it more difficult to make differenc between 1000-s of Davit
Giorgadzes or Giorgi Mchedilishvilis.
About "Daed", it does change ( it decays).
nana
L_e_x_o
illar...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Completely agree with you. It's not Russian influence, rather it's part of
> Oriental culture.
Thanks for right words.
> Different question is, do we need to adhere to that particular tradition?
> Personally I use only name and surname, just because it makes more sense to
> me, and my attitude is "Fuck stupid traditions, progress is the change,
> everything that is not subject to change is DEAD"
Also sounds promising, we all remember "Tsarsulis mavne gadmonashtebs--
Daundibeli brdzola", and how it worked :-)
L_e_x_o
Nana Bukhsianidze
tu sheidzleba imis damtkiceba rom mamis saxelis moxsenieba kartuli
tradiciacaa ( ratkmaunda rusebivit chven or saxels ar vedzaxit
adamians), mashin logika cota gaugebaria.
me ak samtsuxarod ar mimitsvdeba xeli bevr informaciaze amitom bundovnad
maxsovs " movida igi ieses dze" da ragac amdagvarebi...
arika da ortodoxoba rusuli tradiciacaao, gadavaketot mashin sveticxoveli
katolikur eklesiad.
garda amisa cvlilebebs marto chvenze tu avigebt, sxvebsac gadavxedot.
magalitad amerikashi ramdeni adamiani chamodis da chamosula romlis
kulutras saxelebis sul sxva sistema axasiatebs, ras gamouchimiat es
katolikuri tu ra vici sadauri "middle name" kvela dokumentshi?
metkivt neba gakvs ar sheavsovo. mesmis magram rad xarjaven melans
mosaxleobis tundac 50 procentis gamo? danarchenebs (azielebs da agm
evropelebs) aseti ram ar gaachniat.
me piradad ar var mamis saxelis amogebis tavgadakluli mxardamcheri and
motsinaagmdege. tu ver damimitkiceben rom es rusifikaciam shemoitana (
echvi mepareba amashi) cota ar ikos gasakvir nabijad mechveneba. tuki es
rusifikaciis shedegia mashin ki mxars davucherdi mxolod mosaxleobis
gamokitxvis shedegebis gagebis mere. cota demokratiulobac ar gvatskenda
aset shemtxvevebshi.
n
--
natia
> feature of a "kargi bichi" or "magari gogo" should be high
> professionalism and fairness. That's what it comes from. "Tevzi
> tavidan kroldeba..." Of course such people (adults or youngsters)
> cannot survive on the West where unfair OR improfessional people have
> zero value (thank's God).
gamarjoba gia,
didi hania sheni tserilisatvis ar momikravs tvali am jgupshi da imedia
amieridan isev hshirad vihilav.
martalia, me sashualo skolis mostsavleebze mkonda saubari, magram shen
komentarshi kidev shva probleba agnishne - saertod propesionalizmis
daupasebloba da ar mothovna sakartveloshi. martalats asea.(kovel
shemthvevashi ase iko 6 tslis tsinat da tu mas shemdeg raime
sagrdznobladaa shetsvlili rats me ar vitsi, albat mapatierbs mkithveli).
sakithavi isaa, ratom daikarga (upro stsorad, sazogadoebis dzalian
mtsire natsilsga shercha) es paseuloba?
uamravi pasuhi arsebobs am kithvaze. ert-erti pasuhi isaa, rom chventan
dzalian dzneli (zogjer ki sheudzlebeli) iko satanado tsodnisa da
tsrtvnis migeba. magram es kidev tsalke msjelobis sakitia. meore pasuhi
albat isaa, rom tundats magalkvalipitsirebuli spetsialisti rom iko,
maints shimshilit mokvdenbi, anu satanado anazgaurebas verasodes povebs
sheni garja.
me ki is matsuhebs, rom tu ahalgazrda _tavisi survilit_ midis umagles
skolashi, mashin ase iolad rogor ukargavs mas tsodnis daulebis survils
mholod is pakti, rom sibejites dges shesabamisi materialuri ketildgeoba
ar moakvs? paradoksia pirdapir. tu mholod materialuri ketildgeobaa
mtavari, mashin saertod raga ginda metsnierebashi, shva uamravi adgilia
sadats "jibis gaskeleba" sheidzlba. miuhedavad amisa maints amdeni
umaglesdamtavrebuli, lektori, kandidati tu propesori kavs sakartvelos.
rashia sakme? imashi hom ara, rom kldiashviliseuli "kartuli kudabzikoba"
dgesats tsotshalia! ogond shva nivtieri gamohatuleba akvs. dgevandeli
sazogadoebis did natsils mholod titulebi miachnia _autsilebel_ da
saubedurod _sakmaris_ pirobad "srulpasovani" mokalakeobisatvis. vinga
chivis tavshi ra gakvs an ramdenad ketilsindisierad aketeb shens sakmes.
erti patara magalitit ikneb upro tshadi gavhado satkmeli: amas tsinat
amerikis ert-ert 'High School'-shi gatsvlit mohvedrili kartveli
mostsavle mesaubra. shemomchivla, rom egona shedzlebda skolis
damtavrebis shemdeg akve gaegrdzelebina stsavla. am mizezit, turme rats
chamovida sul kargad stsavlobs. ahla gaarkvia, rom idzulebulia dabrundes
tbilishi da meubneba - ra tkuilad shemtcha amdeni nastsavli! rom
mtsodnoda ukan vbrundebodi hom ar shevitsuhebdi tavso. rogorts mere
gavarkvie dabrunbistanave sameditsino institutshi apirebs chabarebas!
sheidzleba bevrni mzad arian sameditsino instituti ise daamtavron, rom
tavi rats sheidzleba naklebd sheitsuhon stsavlit, magram ert dges rom
ekimis rolshi agmochndebian da avadmkops tvalebshi shehedaven mashin?
mashinats albat mzad arian _tkuilisatvis_. ho da, kvelaperi maints
titoeuli pirovnebis survils, sindissa da pasuhismgeblobamde dadis.
P.S. rats sheeheba shens mier nahseneb samartlianobas (fairness), ris
mimart samartlianobas gulishmob?
natia
>...vinaidan skola sabcota
>agikmeboda.
>es damonebuli xalxis bunebrivi reakciaa: vinaidan aktiuri cinaagmdgoba
>sashishia, pasiurad ecinaagmdegebi, e.i. ar scavlob da bejit moscavles
>gariqav.
>samcuxarod es uarqopiti damokidebuleba vrceldeba iset sakcielzec
romelic ara
>mxolod rusuli an komunisturi xelisuplebis jirgamomtxrelia, aramed tavad
>kartvelistvis sasargeblo ramisac. hoda magalitad qvela bejiti moscavle
>komunisti xdeba, imis miuxedavad _sakmit_ dakavshirebulia mattan tu
ara.
>magram
>carmoidgine ramxela dacolis kveshaa mozardi roca tanaklaselebis mier
>gariqulia mxolod imitom rom scavla unda.
levan, dznelia ar davetanhmo shens tserils. arasodes aris advili rotsa
pirovneba sazogadoebis mier agiarebul tsesebs upirispirdeba,
gansakutrebit ki skolis asakshi. laparaki stsored "tsudis" da "kargis"
garchevazea, torem skolidan vin ar gaparula? da bevri ukugmarti
mastsavleblis gakvetili saertod ar imsahurebda arts mosmenas da arts
dastsrebas.
ise ki, tsesier adamians hom ras ar utsodebda halhi. me erthel ists ki
shevnishne, rom "patiosani" lamis " satsodavis" sinonimad iko ktseuli.
>sabcota qopit xedvashecvlilma xalxma rogor agikva sazogado sakitxze
azris
>gamotkma komunistur kontrolis nishnad. Zviadma isic tkva krtams rom ar
>ajlev komunisti xom ara xaro. am xalxs komunisti, e.i pirovneba romelic
>miznis misagcevad araniar zneobriv kanonebs ar cnobs, patiosan
adamintan qavt
>gaigivebuli da amit normalur sazogadoebisken mimaval gzas tavadve ixergaven.
samtsuharod asea. ogond zviadma ra igulisxma, amaze verapers getkvi.
(imdeni saheli shegarkva me piradad kvela agarts mahsovs:-). tsdilobs
ragatsa githras am kvelaprit da gamohatavs aseti taviseburi humrobis
pormit me mgoni).
paktia, rom rotsa krtamis mitsema/armitsemaze kamatobdit, shenma
tavdajerebulma prazebma ara marto zviadi, aramed shvebits gaagizianes.
amas mholod imit ver avhsni, rom kvela shva tsuds verapers hedavs
krtamis mitsemashi. ara. martalia, sheidzleba ertnairi
brdzolisunarianoba an _brdzolis survili_ ( kvelaze mtavaria!) kvelas
ara akvs, rats albat gangvashvavebs ertmanetisagan. sxvis magier rom ar
vilaparako, chems pirad mosazrebas getkvi am sakithze.
koveltvis miharoda tu iset adamians agmovachendi chems gverdit, visats
miugeblad miachnda krtamis ageb-mitsemobidan datskebuli kvela is
simahinje, ris gverditats varsebobdit. mets koveltvis vtsdilobdi
ert-erti "ardamtmobi" da "stsori" adamiani vkopilikavi. samtsuharod
agmovachine, rom dgevandel sakartvloshi sheudzlebelia bolomde ar ugalato
shens rtsmenas. amas mashin mivhvdi, rotsa chemi erti amhnagi
tsvrilmanisatvis kartul militsias chauvarda helshi! kidev mashinats,
rotsa
chemtvis dzvirpsi adamiani tbilisis saavadmkoposhi mohvda (da ar iko es
vigats ektnis lodini mosatsdelshi, rotsa shegidzlia mholod sakutari
drois da nervebis pasad tsinaagmdegoba gatsio da stsori archevani
gaaketo). bevrjer dro ar itsdis, mholod erti shansi gedzleva da vigatsis
sitsotshle shenze (garkveultsilad) kidia. ai aset dros krtamis ki ara,
sakutari sitsotshlis mitsemasats ar dazardebi.
itkvi, mets davtmobdi, magram mere pasuhs movthovdi da samartals
movdzebnidio (mahsovs ase tkvi bolos). neta ra gzit modzebnidi
samartals? martla pehebit hom ar
dakidebdi ektnebs? me rom ver davkide veravin ra unda mekna? (kvelaze
uaresi rats shevdzeli rodesme is iko, maset halhs vuthari ras vpikrobdi
matze. mere ra? dzalian ar sheetsuhebina chems negatiur azrs vinme :-)).
ikneb militsiashi unda mivsulikavi da "mekrtame ekimis
tsinaagmdeg" sakme agmedzra? sasatsiloa aba ra aris! imisi tkma minda am
kvelaprit, rom samtsuharod chvens kvekanashi sheudzlebelia mholod is
aketo, rats gtsams rom stsoria, radgan bevrjer dzalian didi sapasuri
gidevs ert mhares (adamianis sitsotshle) da meore mhares mholod erti
archevani gakvs - mat nebas dahkve:(((
natia
Alligator
>>sashishia, pasiurad ecinaagmdegebi, e.i. ar scavlob da bejit moscavles
>>gariqav.
rchebi vin? Tavcarieli?
Me mgoni eg imis brali upro iko rom kvela m icoda rom rac ar unda gfescavla
mainc patroniani debili dajdeboda "karg" adgilze...
>>mxolod rusuli an komunisturi xelisuplebis jirgamomtxrelia, aramed tavad
>>kartvelistvis sasargeblo ramisac. hoda magalitad qvela bejiti moscavle
>>komunisti xdeba, imis miuxedavad _sakmit_ dakavshirebulia mattan tu
>ara.
:) Ratom? Me pirada ki mkonda tavi mageebit gamotenili tavis droze
magram mainc. Erti ramea dajereba, meore ki gageba imisa rasac cdiloben
dagajeron... Sxvata shoris arabejitebs upro iolad chaukvexeb tavhsi rames
vidre ganatlebuls... Imitom ar iko zviadia rom cioda igive xalxi mere da
sipatebs ikacravdnen da mere 94-95 kovel agdgomas mis mobrunebas elodnen?
>>magram
>>carmoidgine ramxela dacolis kveshaa mozardi roca tanaklaselebis mier
>>gariqulia mxolod imitom rom scavla unda.
Arc imxela... Axla tu ginda tan skolac gechiros da tan medalic caigo
albat gagichirdeba, pizikurad dro ar gekopa albat :) Me sadac avscavlobdi
kovel shemtxvevashi tu vinme garikuli iko ara 5osnobis gamo...
>garchevazea, torem skolidan vin ar gaparula? da bevri ukugmarti
>mastsavleblis gakvetili saertod ar imsahurebda arts mosmenas da arts
>dastsrebas.
;) Getanxmebi, kacs tu scavla ar unda arc skola da arc universiteti ar
ushvelis.. Eger cxonebuli Iosebi seminariidan gamoagdes tavis droze magram
rac daatriala mere ki naxa/axsovs albat bevrs :)
>ikneb militsiashi unda mivsulikavi da "mekrtame ekimis
>tsinaagmdeg" sakme agmedzra? sasatsiloa aba ra aris! imisi tkma minda am
Ho, ogond imat tsalke puli undat rom sasacilod ar agigdon ;)
Thanks,
Alligator
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/silver/36
lev...@my-dejanews.com
natia <na...@at.psu.edu> wrote:
> ise ki, tsesier adamians hom ras ar utsodebda halhi. me erthel ists ki
> shevnishne, rom "patiosani" lamis " satsodavis" sinonimad iko ktseuli.
anda mtald sulelis an gizis :-) mteli shexedualbaa shecvlili roca xalxi ase
xedavs movlenebs da samcuxaro isaa rom normalurad miachniat es.
> samtsuharod asea. ogond zviadma ra igulisxma, amaze verapers getkvi.
> (imdeni saheli shegarkva me piradad kvela agarts mahsovs:-). tsdilobs
> ragatsa githras am kvelaprit da gamohatavs aseti taviseburi humrobis
> pormit me mgoni).
rogorc adre vutxari zviads, igi sabcota sistemit datrgunuli pirovnebaa.
imdenad datrgunuli, gonia roca krtams ar ijlevi, krizangi, zmoti vinme xar.
ashkaraa mas ar esmis krtamis micemis mteli siave.
es dasajraxi imdenad araa ramdenadac samcuxaro radgan is da mas da mis
msgavsebs shvela cirdeba. mtavari isaa, rogorc shen agnishne, ramdenad akvt
brjolis unari sherchenili, ramdenad surt caobidan amosvla.
am mxriv mes mier chemvis custom slayeris sherkmeva imas manishnebs rom man
ver dainaxa chemi kmedebis arsi. sruliad mcdarad kvexnis da upiratesobis
nishnad miigo. imedia odesgac mixvdeba rom mcdari iqo
panatikosi viknebi rom vamtkico pistoletit mukaris drosac ki ar gavigeb
krtamso. sakme isaa shens gulshi rogor apaseb am damamcirebel da mavne
sakciels, da roca savsebit shesajleblia, uars tu ambob vigac bechavis mier
shens dabechavebaze.
levani
George Gaprindashvili
gamarjoba natia, namdvilad "davikarge":) ise zalian khshirad pasiurad
vmonacileob NG-shi -vkitkhulob....
>me ki is matsuhebs, rom tu ahalgazrda _tavisi survilit_ midis umagles
>skolashi, mashin ase iolad rogor ukargavs mas tsodnis daulebis survils
>mholod is pakti, rom sibejites dges shesabamisi materialuri ketildgeoba
>ar moakvs?
Ici martla am ekvsi clis cinat ramdenime zalian chkviani studenti
makhsovs ubralod rom vegar gaagrdzeles scavla (ase vtkvat diplomi ki
aiges magram ak kagaldze araa laparaki, laparaki
codna-propesionalizmzea). Am perestrooikam es problema kide upro
daamzima. Zogi akhla ubralod ojakhsac archens da mshoblebsac...
Skolas rac sheekheba... Bavshvebze advili mimbazveli bunebas ar
gamougonia. tan cudis mibazvaa advili torem kargis mibazvac ro aseve
ikos ra gvichirs...
Ase rom cota ram drois bralicaa. ara me aravitar shemtkvevashi
gamartlebas ar vezeb. Situacia unda gascordes aucileblad torem vai
sakartvelos.
>paradoksia pirdapir. tu mholod materialuri ketildgeobaa
>mtavari, mashin saertod raga ginda metsnierebashi, shva uamravi adgilia
>sadats "jibis gaskeleba" sheidzlba. miuhedavad amisa maints amdeni
>umaglesdamtavrebuli, lektori, kandidati tu propesori kavs sakartvelos.
>rashia sakme? imashi hom ara, rom kldiashviliseuli "kartuli kudabzikoba"
>dgesats tsotshalia!
magas (kartul kudabzikobas) ra moklavs xalxo... Egaa sakartvelos
"kashchei bessmertnii"
>ogond shva nivtieri gamohatuleba akvs. dgevandeli
>sazogadoebis did natsils mholod titulebi miachnia _autsilebel_ da
>saubedurod _sakmaris_ pirobad "srulpasovani" mokalakeobisatvis. vinga
>chivis tavshi ra gakvs an ramdenad ketilsindisierad aketeb shens sakmes.
Absolutely...
>
>erti patara magalitit ikneb upro tshadi gavhado satkmeli: amas tsinat
>amerikis ert-ert 'High School'-shi gatsvlit mohvedrili kartveli
>mostsavle mesaubra. shemomchivla, rom egona shedzlebda skolis
>damtavrebis shemdeg akve gaegrdzelebina stsavla. am mizezit, turme rats
>chamovida sul kargad stsavlobs. ahla gaarkvia, rom idzulebulia dabrundes
>tbilishi da meubneba - ra tkuilad shemtcha amdeni nastsavli! rom
>mtsodnoda ukan vbrundebodi hom ar shevitsuhebdi tavso. rogorts mere
>gavarkvie dabrunbistanave sameditsino institutshi apirebs chabarebas!
ras izam... sakcielis akhsna sheizleba, gamartleba ara...
ver khvdeba rom is codna mas dachirdeba(ara marto $-ze araa laparaki).
>sheidzleba bevrni mzad arian sameditsino instituti ise daamtavron, rom
>tavi rats sheidzleba naklebd sheitsuhon stsavlit, magram ert dges rom
>ekimis rolshi agmochndebian da avadmkops tvalebshi shehedaven mashin?
>mashinats albat mzad arian _tkuilisatvis_. ho da, kvelaperi maints
>titoeuli pirovnebis survils, sindissa da pasuhismgeblobamde dadis.
yes...
>
>
>P.S. rats sheeheba shens mier nahseneb samartlianobas (fairness), ris
>mimart samartlianobas gulishmob?
Ak laparakia ubralo rameze rac kvelam vicit visac an gviscavlia an
gvimushavia ak. Me erti shemtkveva ar vici ro daargvion principi :
uketesad scavlobdi - uketesi grade gekneba. Igive samsakhurshi -
vargkhar ramed - ishovi samsakhurs gindac aranairi nacnobi ar gkavdes.
me ar vambob rom kontakti rogorc aseti tavistavad cudia. Kontakti
mashinaa cudi roca nacnobebiani debili ikavebs mcodne unacnobos
adgils. Me amas cota mentalitetsac vabraleb (kartuls, kavkasiurs,
aziurs tu ginda). Ak kapitalizmi-komunizmi araper shuashia (Levanis
didi mokitkva chemgan). Pakistan-indoets arasodes komunizmi-socializmi
ar koniat mara arc fairness-it gamoirchevian maincdamainc. Mokled
"sakmis chackoba" ikac kvavis,... kvekana ki chkneba...
didi mokitkva kvelas,
Nana Bukhsianidze
Ak kapitalizmi-komunizmi araper shuashia (Levanis
> didi mokitkva chemgan). Pakistan-indoets arasodes komunizmi-socializmi
> ar koniat mara arc fairness-it gamoirchevian maincdamainc. Mokled
> "sakmis chackoba" ikac kvavis,... kvekana ki chkneba...
sadgac getanxmebi, magram kapitalizms gaachnia, chventan romaa
kapitalizmi imaze uaresia albat pakistanshi. dzaladoba maimuni policia,
moskiduli samartaldamcavi organoebi. shedegad erts ukavia albat erti
kalaki.
tuki am samartaldamcavi organoebis gapatiosneba moxda rodesme, mashin
tavisufal tsarmoebas gaexsneba gza. rac kerdzo pasuxismgeblobas da
interesebs tsin tsamotsevs. mashin ki uvici bugalteris dakiravebas
amjobineben chkvianis da sakmis mcodnis, da ase shemdeg da ase shemdeg.
sakme imashia kapitalizms iseve rogorc komunizms maimunebis xelshi
tavisuflad ganukitxaobashi gadazrda sheudzlia. ai telavshi merma skolebi
gakida. rom kitxes ras shvebio, kerdzo sakutrebaa, vinac meti fuli momca
imas mivkideo. bavshvebi ki garet darchnen. axla kitxe amistana mers
rame. piliciac tavisi ekoleba da sasamartloc. kerdzo da sazogadoebrivi
sakutreba orive arsebobs kapitalizmis dros, magram axla sazogadoebrivi
sakutreba am chkuiskolofebs hgoniat komunizmis gadmonashti.
aset situaciashi ganatleba arafershi ar gamoadgat mosaxleobis 95%-s.
5% ki ragac sastsaulit axerxebs tavis codnit sadgac gasvlas. anu
shimshilit sikvdilisagan dadzromas. me magalitad gamomadga chemi codna.
da isic shevamchnie rom igive patiosanma xalxma rom ar istsavla
inglisuri ( me rom ingilusri vici imas didi stsavla ar undoda), akaoda
chveni specialoba araao dgesac ise zian saxelmtsifo organoebs
chabgauchebulebi.
unda agvnishno rom kartul organizaciashi namdvilad ver vishovne
veraferi. dedachems da mamachems chatskoba etakilebodat aba ise vis rad
vundodi, tundac ati tavi mbmoda? ar erchiat gamosadegi nacnobis debili
shvili?
sakme imashia mattvis gind debili mjdariko skamze gind chkviani, mainc
ik ikvnen sadac undodat rom kofilikvnen. anu ar aris namdvili
konkurencia.
kai gashlifuli kapitalizmi ise gadaarchenda sakartvelos rogorc araferi.
40 tseli unda movitminot xalxo. rom mokvdeba bolo monobashi dabadebuli,
mere albat ashendeba kvekana.
moklet, es mindoda rom metkva.
nana
>
> didi mokitkva kvelas,
>
> Gia
> http://www.cs.umn.edu/~gaprinda
--
lev...@my-dejanews.com
Nana Bukhsianidze <gr...@nospammeridianworldservices.com> wrote:
>rom kitxes ras shvebio, kerdzo sakutrebaa, vinac meti fuli momca
> imas mivkideo.
nana, ra tkma unda maseti xalxis mier ganmartebuli kerjo sakutreba mxolod
imas nishnavs rom isini gasanatlebelia. aseti mcdari shexedulebebi ucxo araa
artaxebidan axlad gantavisuplebul sazogadoebashi. ertgan cavikitxe, omis
shemdgom iaponiashi avtobusis konduktorebs didi omi kjondat avtobusshi mcevel
xalxtan. isini ekamatebodnen, demokratia ar gvakvs ratom gvishli rac gvinda
is vaketoto? borotma enebma rom es daixvion xelze da xalxs utxran ai tkveni
demokratia, sigaretis kvamlit ixrchobito aranairad ar ikneba misagebi.
mtavaria is gaigos xalxma tu ra aris tavisupali sabazro ekonomika da ramdenad
tavisupalia igi.
exla ki kartvelebis bejitobis tema rom gavagrjelo, ai erti saintereso
shemtxveva. am kalma samedicino momsaxurebis gaumkjobesebis moznit programa
chamoaqaliba sakartvelloshi da ramdenime problemas gadaacqda:
The Atlanta Journal and Constitution
February 11, 1996, Pg. 01J
Couple take medical know-how to Georgian comrades
[...]
Another obstacle was the lingering socialist work ethic.
Debra Koerner admitted a lackadaisical attitude toward school sometimes
made her angry.
"Six hours a day was pushing it for them, and they were always late,"
she said. "My goal is for the doctors to take over. Our
participation is almost over. But my doctors weren't always as
motivated as I wanted them to be."
Or as modern. Treating women like servants did not sit well with Debra
Koerner. To combat in-equality, she fomented a mini-revolution by teaching
her interpreter and friend, Maya, two useful American phrases: "Your mother
does not work here" and "Go get your own damn coffee."
Still, progress is being made. /end/
levan