Virks - Need info
Virk
Virks giving details of Virks in India (Karnal, Jalandhar, Ludhiana, Patiala
areas). I am missing some record for Jagraon Tehsil in Ludhiana area. If
someone know of any good book / reference, please let me know.
I came to know that there are Virks in Pakistan - Punjab too. Does any one
have reference on that too.
Regards,
Kulveer S Virk
Unknown
for a long tirade from Sandeep about how Pakistani Virks are traitors...
Virk wrote in message <77ofbr$q2o$1...@remarQ.com>...
Unknown
sv...@hotmail.com
Contact him, he may be able to help.
sandeep
District, Nankana Sahib, my Maternal
grandfather owned lands at Chuharkana, and areas around it!!
Famous Virks!!
Sardar Kapur Singh virk aka "Singhpuria" (after Banda Bahadur he was jathedar
of Dal Khalsa)
Jathedar Kartar Singh Virk aka "Jhabbar" (got freed gurdwaras like Nankana
Sahib and Golden Temple from Mahants)
Virks were once forbidden to be Sikhs by Guru Amardas as they practiced
infanticide!! but later when Virks stopped
it Guru Amardas allowed them to become Sikhs!!
Virks were believed to be tall (majority of male virks are not less then 6') and
fierce!!
When Jathedar Kartar Singh virk aka Jhabbar went to free the Gurdwara Panja
Sahib at Hasan Abdal from Hindu Mahant. That Mahant filed a petition against
Kartar Singh that "a person belonging to a barbarian tribe has occupied
his ancestorial property (Panja Sahib)"
In Punjab folklore Virks were also called "Dhagga Chor" or the "thiefs of a
calf".
But.... If you want want to read biographies of Nawaab Kapur Singh Virk and
Kartar Singh Jhabbar then please
visit
history of the Sikhs page!
at
Virk wrote:
> Hi! I am a Virk from Ludhiana (Punjab). I found a good book on history of
> Virks giving details of Virks in India (Karnal, Jalandhar, Ludhiana, Patiala
> areas). I am missing some record for Jagraon Tehsil in Ludhiana area. If
> someone know of any good book / reference, please let me know.
>
> I came to know that there are Virks in Pakistan - Punjab too. Does any one
> have reference on that too.
>
> Regards,
> Kulveer S Virk
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S Singh Sandhu
sandeep <sba...@home.com> wrote:
>Here is what I know about Virk Jutts!!! My mother is a Virk from Sheikhupura
>District, Nankana Sahib, my Maternal
>grandfather owned lands at Chuharkana, and areas around it!!
>
>Famous Virks!!
>
>Sardar Kapur Singh virk aka "Singhpuria" (after Banda Bahadur he was jathedar
>of Dal Khalsa)
>
>Jathedar Kartar Singh Virk aka "Jhabbar" (got freed gurdwaras like Nankana
>Sahib and Golden Temple from Mahants)
>
>
>Virks were once forbidden to be Sikhs by Guru Amardas as they practiced
>infanticide!! but later when Virks stopped
>it Guru Amardas allowed them to become Sikhs!!
>
>Virks were believed to be tall (majority of male virks are not less then 6') and
>fierce!!
say virks are tall , jatts are tall and lanky mostly , although
you can find the shorter central asian type also.
S Singh Sandhu
sandeep <sba...@home.com> wrote:
Btw what abt putting information abt all this on the web since you
already have a website on sikh history.
sandeep
S Singh Sandhu wrote:
> sandeep <sba...@home.com> wrote:
> Btw what abt putting information abt all this on the web since you
> already have a website on sikh history.
Sure!! I am working on it!! There was a British historian in Punjab in 19th century
who did a very very
detailed study about "Races, Castes, and Professions of Punjab" it is from this book
that I heard
Bajwas are originally from Sialkote district and many moved to nearby Ludhiana!!
Bajwas and Bajju Rajputs of Rajasthan are same people!!
I read few pages of this book about 4-5 years ago!! Name of the author is McLeod???
or something!!!
Once I got hold of this book I will definetely design a separate section on History
of the Sikhs web site named "Heritage" where I will put this information!!
Thanks
Sandeep Singh Bajwa
gan...@my-dejanews.com
"S Singh Sandhu" <s760...@np.edu.sg> wrote:
>
> sandeep <sba...@home.com> wrote:
> >Here is what I know about Virk Jutts!!! My mother is a Virk from Sheikhupura
Virks are an important clan of the Jat Saka tribe. This clan produced
the Virka imperial Buddhist dynasty (420 AD - 640) of northern and central
Sakasthana (Indus-Ganga country) whose last emporer was HarshaVardhana. Sir
Cunningham (former Director General of Indian Archeological Survey) and Todd
were among the first to discover their clan and tribe identity from coins,
Tibetan Buddhist texts and inscriptions at Mandasor. Under one of the Virk
Rajas, the Jats crushed the Hun attempt to invade Punjab from MP/Rajasthan in
the 5th century.
One of the Virka inscriptions at Mandasor states "Jarto Hunan Vijay" (The Jats
defeated the Huns").
For more read excerpts below on Saka dynasties:
Ethnological information collected in colonial censuses shows that
the majority (+65%) of the population of the northwest ("Sakasthan" including
Punjab, Rajasthan, Gujarat, northern Maharashtra and western UP) is of Saka
origin. Terms like "Sakasthana" and "Saka" appear on ancient Saka
inscriptions and coins found as far as Mathura, Ujjain and Vidharba in
western UP (former United Provinces), western MP (Malwa) and Maharashtra,
respectively. Other major Saka cities and centers include Sialkot, Jalandar,
Taxila, Moga, Ropar, Patiala, Batinda, Jodhpur, Peshawar, Kabul. Peshawar
and Mathura were the twin capital of the Kushana Sakas.
Herodotus ("father of history") mentions that the Scythian tribes
controlled central asia down to the ganga river during the 5th century BC.
The largest Saka imperial dynasties of Sakasthana include the Satraps (204 BC
to 78 AD), Kushanas (50 AD - 380), Virkas (420 AD - 640) while others like
the Mauryas (324 - 232 BC) and Dharan-Guptas (320 AD - 515) expanded their
empires towards the east.
A brief selected list of Saka rulers of Punjab and the northwest spanning 16
centuries includes Porus (4th century BC), Mauryas (3rd century BC),
Rudradaman, Azes, Maues, Soter Megas (2nd century BC), Azilises, Wima
Kadphises (1st century AD), Kanishka I, Haviska (2nd century), Vasudeva (3rd
century), Vyaghra rata , Yasovardhana (4th century), Naravardhana,
Rajyavardhana (5th century), Harshavardhan (6th century), AnangPala, JaiPala
(11th century AD), PrithviRaj (12th century).
The demise of the Mogul-Rajput empire in the late 17th and early 18th
centuries was due largely to the Saka political revival in the west and
northwest as expressed by the rise of Maratha, Jat and Sikh power.
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saved Punjab and Punjabis should be grateful to them..
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your historical rulers, REAL kshatriyas, and landlords and dont let
dasya-bhiya fantasies get the better of your monkey brains. Real history in
historically separate Sakasthana (Indus-Ganga country) was made by Saka
armies, landlords, rulers, and generals not monkey armies found in the gangu
Ramayana!
Before Mahmud, Punjab was a Jat-Saka-Shahi and Saka tribes have ruled
the northwest from 500BC-1100AD. Mahmud's own personal historian from 11th
century records this!
Even the 2 biggest empires Bhiya-Brahmanists like to swoon over were Saka
empires created by Jats and other Saka allies (Gujjars, Awans, Yadavs, etc.).
The Imperial Mauryas and Guptas: Jat-Saka Empires
--------------------------------------------------
Maurya empire : 324 - 232 BC
Chandragupta Maurya - 324 - 301
Bindusara - 301 - 269
Ashoka - 269 - 232
Gupta empire : 320 AD - 515
Chandragupta I - 320 - 335
Samudragupta - 335 - 375
Chandragupta II - 375 - 415
Kumaragupta - 415-455
Skanda Gupta - 455 - 467
In mainstream Indian history books written by neo-Brahmanist historians, the
two largest imperial dynasties which expanded eastward from northwest
Sakasthana - the Mauryas (324 - 232 BC) and Guptas (320 AD - 515) - are
claimed to be Brahmanas and (Ghori’s) "Hindu" kings! These claims, however,
are rejected by coin, inscriptional, archeological and literary evidence
which points to their Jat-Saka origin. These imperial systems were
essentially republican Saka coalitions in which other Saka tribes and allies
(e.g. Gujar, Ahir, Yadava) played an important role.
Reality and Facts:
1) In the northwest subcontinent, the Brahmanists have never formed the
ruling class over any known period of history. The recorded rulers over 3500
years of known history have been drawn from the followings groups and their
descendants: British, Sikhs/Jats/Gujars/Rajputs, Afghans, Moguls, Sakas
(Scythians), Bactrian Greeks and Vedics. The Kshatriya (ruling class,
administrators and soldiers) during all periods and in all regions of the
world have come to power through conquest by their sword and military prowess
despite Brahmanical canards about "creating Kshatriyas". To gain the favor
and employment from chieftans rising to power, the ready witted priests
concocted fanciful tales of divine origin from solar and lunar lineages and
imaginary Brahmanical gods.
2) The fact is that there have always been two types of ruling classes
(Kshatriyas) in southasia: i) those who patronized the Brahmin priesthood and
ii) those who felt no need or desire to do so and patronized other religions
(e.g. Vedic religion, Saka religion, Buddhism, Islam, Sufism, Sikhism,
Christianity). In dateless and placeless revisionist Brahmanical texts
(written centuries later when Brahmins gained larger influence; eg. post-9th
century Shankarcharya revival), the latter are dubbed "mlechas", "sudra", and
"low castes kings", etc. while the former are glorified with fantastical
tales and showered with the blessings of their devtas. The second type form
most of the known and verifiable Kshatriyas and ruling orders in the history
of southasia - all in the case of the northwest!
3) The Puranas do not even refer to the largest imperial dynasties of
the north such as the Mauryas (324 - 232 BC) and Dharan Guptas (320 AD -
515) as "Kshatriyas". Regarding the Mauryas, Dehiya [p.147] states "Another
indication of the foreign origin (Saka) of these people is . . . The Vishnu
Purana calls them (Gupta rulers) Sudras. The Markandeya Purana brands the
Mauryas as Asura. The Yuga Purana called them `utterly irreligious, though
posing as religious'. The Mudra Rakshasa calls these people as mlechas and
Chandragupta himself is called 'Kulahina', an upstart of unknown family".
Mauryan coins have the symbol of the sun, a branch, a humped bull and
mountain (Dehiya, p.155). All these are pre-eminently Scythian MassaGetae
icons who were Sun worshippers with the high mount symbolizing earth and the
irregular curving lines alongside it symbolizes water. The tree branch is a
symbol of productivity of the earth - agriculture and soldiering were the
traditional "noble" occupation of Sakas. The historians of Darius record
that when he attempted to attack the Scythian MassaGetae (an old-Iranian
culture of central asia) along the Black sea in the 5th century BC, the Saka
kings swore by the sun god and refused to surrender "earth and water".
D.B. Spooner who evacuated Pataliputra was struck by his findings and writes
in his article "The Zoroastrian Period of Indian History" as follows: "For
Chandragupta' s times, the evidences are more numerous and more detailed, and
indicate a following of Persian customs all along the line - in public works,
in ceremonial, in penal institutions, everything".
4) Regarding the Guptas, Dehiya [p.181] states "The coins of
SamudraGupta, Chandragupta I, Kacha, Chandragupta II Vikramaditya,
Kumaragupta I, Skandagupta, etc. all have the central asian long coat and
trousers and boots and long swords. This is the most significant fact
proving that the Guptas were in fact central asian Jats (a major Saka tribe)
. . . ".
P. L. Gupta writes "The most common gold coins of the Guptas appear to be the
direct descendants of the gold coins of the later Kushans . . .". He adds
that the standing pose of the Gupta kings at the altar is almost identical to
that of the Kushan kings, as is their dress - Kushan long coats and trousers
(uchkin, salwar/kameez). The Kushana or Kasvan tribe of the Sakas had rule
over Sakasthan (northwest) in the period from 1st century to 4rd century AD.
The early Gupta coins are significantly called "dinar" and their weight is
the same as those of westerly Kushana coins. Moreover, Alberuni (an Arab who
traveled to southasia in A.D. 1030) learnt that "the Guptas were powerful but
bad and the locals (in the gangetic region) celebrated the end of their rule
by starting a new era" (Dehiya, p. 190). This again supports the Scythian
origin of the Guptas: the end of the Saka empire in the eastern subcontinent
was a cause of celebration to the gangetic Brahmins.
5) The term "Gupta" is a misnamed version of "Jarta" found in early
texts and inscriptions by modern pro-Brahmanist historians (e.g. Majumdar,
Belvelkar, Satavalekar). "Jarta" is the sanskritized form of "Jat" as other
Saka tribal names "Gujar" become "Gurjara" and Munda become Marunda. Gupta
is derived from "Goptri" meaning "military governor" as in the inscription of
Skandagupta (Dehiya, p 176). It was not a surname or clan name but a title.
Chandragomin, a gramarian of 6th century AD, wrote "Ajay Jarto Hunan" or "the
invincible Jartas defeated the Hunas". Dehiya [p. 22] further writes
"The Jain author Vardhamana mentions Sakas and Jartas in 1139-40 AD
(Ganaratana Mahodadhi, Kasika, 201). Chandragomin, therefore makes no
mistake at all when he states that the invincible Jats defeated the Hunas.
Yasodharman (Virk) as well as the so-called Guptas were Jats . . . even
though the Hunas were themselves late-comer Jats. The clan name of Toramana
and Mahirgula, viz Jauvla, is still available among Indian Jats who are now
called Jauhl. Majumdar and Belvelkar have to revise their revision. Their
is no need to change the word Jat (Jarta) into Gupta. The original is quite
correct and was mentioned by a contemporary writer".
6) A contemporary inscription at Mandasor (558 AD) supports
Chandragomin's account that under the command of Yashodharman Virk, "the Jats
not only defeated the Huns but also exterminated them" (Puniya, 178). This
is futher confirmed by Archarya Gopita, a Jain scholar of the 12th century
AD, according to whom "Huns were defeated by the Jats". Similarly, the
Artharva Veda says that god Rudra is the king of a people called
"Garta-Sada": "Gartasadam Jananam Rajanam". Many modern Brahmanist
"historians" like Satavalekar, after numerous contortions (Dehiya, p. 310),
translate "Garta" as being equivalent to a cave (Guha) !
The coin, inscriptional, archeological and literary evidence from
Jain/Puranic/Persian/Buddhist/Chinese sources clearly demonstrate the
non-Brahmanical and non-gangetic origins of the Mauryas (Maur clan) and
Guptas (Dharan clan). Both are proved to be Saka imperial dynasties which
expanded their empire into the eastern subcontinent from their home base in
northwest "Sakasthana". Jat/Gujar clans and villages named "Maur" and
"Dharan" exist even today in Punjab, Haryana, Bihar and western MP.
Selected Historical References on Sakas and Northwest Sakasthana
(See Dhillon (1994) for catalogue of over 400 references)
Banerjea, J.N. (1987), The Scythians and Parthians in India, in a
Comprehensive History of India, edited by K.A.N. Sastri, Vol. 2,
Peoples Publishing House, New Delhi, India, 1987, pp 186-309, pp
830-838.
Bingley, A.H. (1978), History, Caste & Culture of the Jats and Gujars, Ess
Ess Publications, New Delhi, India (first published in 1899).
Cunningham, A. (1971), Coins of the Indo-Scythians, Sakas, and Kushanas,
Reprinted by Indological Book House, Varanasi, India (first published
1888).
Dahiya, B.S. (1980), Jats: The Ancient Rulers, Sterling Publishers Pvt.
Ltd., New Delhi, India.
Dhillon, B.S. (1994), History and Study of the Jats, Beta Publishers
Inc., Ottawa, Canada
Eggmont, P.H.L. (1970), Alexander's Campaign in Ghandhara and Ptolemy's List
of Indo-Scythian Towns, Orientalis Lavaniensia Periodica I, pp 63-123.
Gupta, P.L. (1988), Coins, National Book Trust, New Delhi, India, pp51-52.
Hewitt, J.F. (1894), The Ruling Races of Prehistorical Times in India,
South-Western Asia, and Southern Europe, Archibald Constable & Co. ,
London, pp. 481-487.
Herodotus (B.C. 490-425): The Histories, translated by de Selincourt,
Penguin Books, New York, 1988.
Ibbetson Denzil (1916), Punjab Castes: Races, Castes and the Tribes
of the People of Punjab, Cosmo Publications, New Delhi (1981).
Jats, The New Encylopaedia Britannica, Vol. Encyclopedia Britannica, Inc.,
Chicago, pp. 510.
Kosambi, D.D. (1953), “The Study of Indian Tradition”, Indica, Silver
Jubilee Issue.
Pradhan, M.C. (1966), The Political System of the Jats of Northern India,
Oxford University Press, London.
Ptolemy (90-168 A.D.), Geography of Claudius Ptolemy, translated and edited
by E.L. Stevenson, The New York Public Library, New York, 1932.
Pawar, H.S. (1993), The Jats: their Origin, Antiquity and Migrations,
Manthan Publications, Rohtak, India
McCrindle, J.W. (1987), Ancient India as Described in Classical Literature,
reprinted by Eastern Book House, Patna, India, pp 164-165 (first
published 1901).
McGovern, W.N. (1939), The early Empires of Central Asia, he University of
North Carolina Press, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, pp 419-21.
Rolle, R. (1989), The World of the Scythians, University of California
Press, Berkeley.
Sara, I. (1978), The Scythian Origin of the Jat-SIkh (Part 1 & 2), The Sikh
Review, pp. 15-27, pp. 214-233.
Smith, V. A. (1903), The Kushana or Indo-Scythian Period in Indian History
(165 B.C.-320 A.D.), Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great
Britain and Ireland, pp. 1-64.
Tod, J.(1972), Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan, Vol. 1, Routledge &
Kegan Paul Ltd., London, pp. 623(first published in 1829).
gan...@my-dejanews.com
Mo
are dead and long gone . What is important is that India is
united now and should stay united and get Pakistanis and
Bangladeshis to give up foolish freedom destroying
monotheism and return to their cultural roots..
gan...@my-dejanews.com
History will become increasingly irrelevant to former 7% massaleh-wallah and
and palm reader Kirars . . . believe me!
If Kirars dont "care" why not put the real history back into the school
books and take out the fraud/fantasy. Start by calling Mauryas, Guptas
and Virkas the Sakas (Jats, Gujars, Awans, Yadavs, etc.) that they were!
We are all "Hindus" arent we?
However, despite the increasing kirar "dislike" for history, the 150 million
Sakas between the Ganga-Pakistan border and another 100 million from there to
Indus DO CARE about their REAL history, incriptions, coins, ancient texts and
cities.
> are dead and long gone . What is important is that India is
Like Ram-Janambhoomi is "dead and long gone". (Never was either).
> united now and should stay united and get Pakistanis and
> Bangladeshis to give up foolish freedom destroying
The Kirar Empire is such a success - they are clamouring to get in!
Without the Sakas feeding it for 50 years with their "Green Revolution" (and
getting plundered by kirar low lifes), Fuduland would have been worse than
Bangladesh with Fudus flocking to Bangladesh as the "promised land"!
> monotheism and return to their cultural roots..
The truth is all the Sakas, dalits and shudras (93%) are sick of the kirar's
50 year old totally failed, artificial and poverty stricken plunder cow that
Brahmanoid vultures hijacked from the British in 1947 and turned into the
biggest slum and gutter on earth.
They want to end all the kirar "Ghori Hindu" insanity, foolishness and fraud
and return to their REAL cultural roots and ancient historical
countries - like the 2500 year old "Sakasthana" (Indus-Ganga country).
After freeing themselves from the kirar vultures, they want to build their
countries, people and cultures and become like Korea and Japan instead
of a Somalia existence kirars have driven them into.
Mo
>Start by calling Mauryas, Guptas
and Virkas the Sakas (Jats, Gujars, Awans, Yadavs, etc.)
that they were!<
who are now in the process of taking over Pakistan..
Sandeep Singh Bajwa
being "HERITAGE".
This section will try to answer to the questions like "Who are Jutts, Khatris,
Ramgarhias, MAzhabis, etc"
At this time I am just collecting material!!! Can you help??
Thanks
Sandeep Singh Bajwa
gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
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yash...@my-dejanews.com
gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Virks are an important clan of the Jat Saka tribe. This clan produced
> the Virka imperial Buddhist dynasty (420 AD - 640) of northern and central
> Sakasthana (Indus-Ganga country) whose last emporer was HarshaVardhana. Sir
> Cunningham (former Director General of Indian Archeological Survey) and Todd
> were among the first to discover their clan and tribe identity from coins,
> Tibetan Buddhist texts and inscriptions at Mandasor.
Harshavardhan was the only major ruler of his brief dynasty,
one of his grandmothers was born in the Gupta family. Harshvardhana
is well known because he is mentioned in contemporary Sanskrit
texts as well as the account of a Chinese visitor Hiuen-tsang
(see http://www.umanitoba.ca/faculties/arts/asian_studies/).
He supported all religions, not just Buddhism.He is himself
considered to be the author of some Sanskrit books.
He is not related to the Virks.
Needless to say, there was never anything called "Sakasthan".
Yashwant
kab...@jps.net
>
> In article <77tk2o$57k$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > Virks are an important clan of the Jat Saka tribe. This clan produced
> > the Virka imperial Buddhist dynasty (420 AD - 640) of northern and central
> > Sakasthana (Indus-Ganga country) whose last emporer was HarshaVardhana. Sir
> > Cunningham (former Director General of Indian Archeological Survey) and Todd
> > were among the first to discover their clan and tribe identity from coins,
> > Tibetan Buddhist texts and inscriptions at Mandasor.
>
> Harshavardhan was the only major ruler of his brief dynasty,
> one of his grandmothers was born in the Gupta family. Harshvardhana
> is well known because he is mentioned in contemporary Sanskrit
> texts as well as the account of a Chinese visitor Hiuen-tsang
> (see http://www.umanitoba.ca/faculties/arts/asian_studies/).
> He supported all religions, not just Buddhism.He is himself
> considered to be the author of some Sanskrit books.
>
> He is not related to the Virks.
>
> Needless to say, there was never anything called "Sakasthan".
>
> Yashwant
Thanks for the correction, Yashwant. I should mention that contrary to
Cunningham and Todd's theories of about a century ago, the Sakyas were not
the same as Sakas. Kautilya claims that the Sakyas were members of the Vajje
confederation that had its origins in the Himalayan region of central Nepal.
The Sakas did not enter India until around the time of the Parthian takeover
of Persia, and they were confined to the northwest.
For the gradual formation of urban areas in India leading up to Mauryan
civilization, see the Allchin's latest book on the subject.
Regards,
Paul Kekai Manansala
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9845/austric.htm
yash...@my-dejanews.com
The ancient Shakyas have nothing to do with the Shakas.
Gautam Buddha was a Shakya, hence he is often called
"Shakya-muni". One can find a long geneology of the
Shakyas given in Buddhist texts like Mahavansha.
It is clear that the Shakyas were a branch of the
Ikshvakus, a famous clan. Lord Ram was an Ikshvaku.
The Shakya kingdom at Kapilvastu was destroyed in Buddha'a
lifetime. However Shakyas must have survived because we
find a later Shakya clan ruling Nepal.
Yashwant
The word "India" was used by ancient Greeks. They actually
pronounced it "Hindia", however in Greek alphabet there is
no character for "H". Thus in terms like "Hellas" (Greece)
the "H" sound is assumed.
gan...@my-dejanews.com
yash...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <77tk2o$57k$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > Virks are an important clan of the Jat Saka tribe. This clan produced
> > the Virka imperial Buddhist dynasty (420 AD - 640) of northern and central
> > Sakasthana (Indus-Ganga country) whose last emporer was HarshaVardhana. Sir
> > Cunningham (former Director General of Indian Archeological Survey) and Todd
> > were among the first to discover their clan and tribe identity from coins,
> > Tibetan Buddhist texts and inscriptions at Mandasor.
>
> Harshavardhan was the only major ruler of his brief dynasty,
> one of his grandmothers was born in the Gupta family. Harshvardhana
Wrong:
Harshavardhan was the last Buddhist Saka ruler of "Sakasthana". Coins,
inscriptions from Indus-ganga region are full of references to Sakas and
"Sakasthana" (e.g. At Mathura and Peshawar: "Sarvasa Sakasthana Puyae" =
"For the merit of the Sakasthani nation").
Harshavardhan was the 7th Raja of the Buddhist Virka dynasty. It spanned over
220 years (420AD-640) and was geographically confined to the historically
separate northwest Sakasthana (Indus-Ganga region) - i.e. foreign Gangus,
Beharis, Bengalis, Tamils, malabaris had nothing to do with it despite
all the 20th century historical fraud, fantasy and envy of former 7%
massalae-walas and palm readers!
Virka coins studied by Sir Alexander Cunningham (former Director General of
Indian Archeological Survey) and others show he was a Jat of the Virk
Clan. His geneology also survives in Tibetan Buddhist texts of his court
laureate named Bana!
Chandragomin, a gramarian of 6th century AD, wrote "Ajay Jarto Hunan" or "the
invincible Jartas defeated the Hunas". A contemporary inscription at
Mandasor (558 AD) supports Chandragomin's account that under the command of
Yashodharman Virk, "the Jats not only defeated the Huns but also exterminated
them" (Puniya, 178). This is futher confirmed by Archarya Gopita, a Jain
scholar of the 12th century AD, according to whom "Huns were defeated by the
Jats". Similarly, the Artharva Veda says that god Rudra is the king of a
people called "Garta-Sada": "Gartasadam Jananam Rajanam". Many modern
Brahmanist "historians" like Satavalekar, after numerous contortions (Dehiya,
p. 310), translate "Garta" as being equivalent to a cave (Guha) !
Selected Historical References on Sakas and Northwest Sakasthana
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gan...@my-dejanews.com
yash...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <77tk2o$57k$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > Virks are an important clan of the Jat Saka tribe. This clan produced
> > the Virka imperial Buddhist dynasty (420 AD - 640) of northern and central
> > Sakasthana (Indus-Ganga country) whose last emporer was HarshaVardhana. Sir
> > Cunningham (former Director General of Indian Archeological Survey) and Todd
> > were among the first to discover their clan and tribe identity from coins,
> > Tibetan Buddhist texts and inscriptions at Mandasor.
>
> Harshavardhan was the only major ruler of his brief dynasty,
Wrong: it was over 220 years - see other post.
> one of his grandmothers was born in the Gupta family. Harshvardhana
Wrong: The Virkas were confined to the historically and geographically
separate Indus-Ganga country (politically separate over 90% of 3500 years!).
The coin, inscriptional, archeological and literary evidence from
Jain/Puranic/Persian/Buddhist/Chinese sources clearly demonstrate the
non-Brahmanical and non-gangetic origins of the Mauryas (Maur clan) and
Guptas (Dharan clan).
Here is the solid historical evidence:
1) The Puranas do not even refer to the largest imperial dynasties of
the north such as the Mauryas (324 - 232 BC) and Dharan Guptas (320 AD -
515) as "Kshatriyas". Regarding the Mauryas, Dehiya [p.147] states "Another
indication of the foreign origin (Saka) of these people is . . . The Vishnu
Purana calls them (Gupta rulers) Sudras. The Markandeya Purana brands the
Mauryas as Asura. The Yuga Purana called them `utterly irreligious, though
posing as religious'. The Mudra Rakshasa calls these people as mlechas and
Chandragupta himself is called 'Kulahina', an upstart of unknown family".
2) Mauryan coins have the symbol of the sun, a branch, a humped bull and
mountain (Dehiya, p.155). All these are pre-eminently Scythian MassaGetae
icons who were Sun worshippers with the high mount symbolizing earth and the
irregular curving lines alongside it symbolizes water. The tree branch is a
symbol of productivity of the earth - agriculture and soldiering were the
traditional "noble" occupation of Sakas. The historians of Darius record
that when he attempted to attack the Scythian MassaGetae (an old-Iranian
culture of central asia) along the Black sea in the 5th century BC, the Saka
kings swore by the sun god and refused to surrender "earth and water".
3) D.B. Spooner who evacuated Pataliputra was struck by his findings and
writes in his article "The Zoroastrian Period of Indian History" as follows:
"For Chandragupta' s times, the evidences are more numerous and more detailed,
and indicate a following of Persian customs all along the line - in public
works, in ceremonial, in penal institutions, everything".
4) Regarding the Guptas, Dehiya [p.181] states "The coins of
SamudraGupta, Chandragupta I, Kacha, Chandragupta II Vikramaditya,
Kumaragupta I, Skandagupta, etc. all have the central asian long coat and
trousers and boots and long swords. This is the most significant fact
proving that the Guptas were in fact central asian Jats (a major Saka tribe)
. . . ".
5) P. L. Gupta writes "The most common gold coins of the Guptas appear to be
the direct descendants of the gold coins of the later Kushans . . .". He adds
that the standing pose of the Gupta kings at the altar is almost identical to
that of the Kushan kings, as is their dress - Kushan long coats and trousers
(uchkin, salwar/kameez). The Kushana or Kasvan tribe of the Sakas had rule
over Sakasthan (northwest) in the period from 1st century to 4rd century AD.
The early Gupta coins are significantly called "dinar" and their weight is
the same as those of westerly Kushana coins. Moreover, Alberuni (an Arab who
traveled to southasia in A.D. 1030) learnt that "the Guptas were powerful but
bad and the locals (in the gangetic region) celebrated the end of their rule
by starting a new era" (Dehiya, p. 190). This again supports the Scythian
origin of the Guptas: the end of the Saka empire in the eastern subcontinent
was a cause of celebration to the gangetic Brahmins.
6) The term "Gupta" is a misnamed version of "Jarta" found in early
texts and inscriptions by modern pro-Brahmanist historians (e.g. Majumdar,
Belvelkar, Satavalekar). "Jarta" is the sanskritized form of "Jat" as other
Saka tribal names "Gujar" become "Gurjara" and Munda become Marunda. Gupta
is derived from "Goptri" meaning "military governor" as in the inscription of
Skandagupta (Dehiya, p 176). It was not a surname or clan name but a title.
Chandragomin, a gramarian of 6th century AD, wrote "Ajay Jarto Hunan" or "the
invincible Jartas defeated the Hunas".
7) Dehiya [p. 22] further writes
"The Jain author Vardhamana mentions Sakas and Jartas in 1139-40 AD
(Ganaratana Mahodadhi, Kasika, 201). Chandragomin, therefore makes no
mistake at all when he states that the invincible Jats defeated the Hunas.
Yasodharman (Virk) as well as the so-called Guptas were Jats . . . even
though the Hunas were themselves late-comer Jats. The clan name of Toramana
and Mahirgula, viz Jauvla, is still available among Indian Jats who are now
called Jauhl. Majumdar and Belvelkar have to revise their revision. Their
is no need to change the word Jat (Jarta) into Gupta. The original is quite
correct and was mentioned by a contemporary writer".
8) A contemporary inscription at Mandasor (558 AD) supports
Chandragomin's account that under the command of Yashodharman Virk, "the Jats
not only defeated the Huns but also exterminated them" (Puniya, 178). This
is futher confirmed by Archarya Gopita, a Jain scholar of the 12th century
AD, according to whom "Huns were defeated by the Jats". Similarly, the
Artharva Veda says that god Rudra is the king of a people called
"Garta-Sada": "Gartasadam Jananam Rajanam". Many modern Brahmanist
"historians" like Satavalekar, after numerous contortions (Dehiya, p. 310),
translate "Garta" as being equivalent to a cave (Guha) !
> is well known because he is mentioned in contemporary Sanskrit
> texts as well as the account of a Chinese visitor Hiuen-tsang
> (see http://www.umanitoba.ca/faculties/arts/asian_studies/).
> He supported all religions, not just Buddhism.He is himself
> considered to be the author of some Sanskrit books.
>
> He is not related to the Virks.
Buddist texts and Virka coins and inscriptions clearly
indentify him as a Jat of the Virk clan - hence the dynastic
name VIRKA !!!!
In facts Brahmins tried to have him assasinated because of his
greater leanings towards Buddhism. The plot was discovered and
the traitors slaughtered.
>
> Needless to say, there was never anything called "Sakasthan".
Dream on RSS (1925) Brahmanoid kirar clowns on their 20th century
dasya-go-Vedic fantasy trip and ONE FUDU NATION empire!
Then, why do inscriptions and coins from Indus to ganga litter
the lansdcape and say "Sakas", "Sakasthana", "Sakamuni", etc.
Saka Mathura Capital Lion Inscriptions:
"Sarvasa Sakasthana Puyae" (For the merit of Sakasthani people").
Herodotus ("father of history") mentions that the Scythian tribes
controlled central asia down to the ganga river during the 5th century BC.
The largest Saka imperial dynasties of Sakasthana include the Satraps (204 BC
to 78 AD), Kushanas (50 AD - 380), Virkas (420 AD - 640) while others like
the Mauryas (324 - 232 BC) and Dharan-Guptas (320 AD - 515) expanded their
empires towards the east.
Over 65% of the northwest populations (e.g. jats, rajputs, gujars,
awans, khatris, ahirs, tarkhans, etc.) have been derived to Saka tribes
based in information in colonial censuses.
Oldest Brahmins temple in northwest dates to 10th century AD - really
ANCIENT and post-Buddhist (10th century AD) revisionist and plagerized
gangu-Bahman texts
"forbid brahmins from travelling to Vahika-desa (northwest country"!!!
Gandasa
Commentator
gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
<the usual scholastic sakastani bombast goes chop chop>
Yo, prez, glad to see you back.
There's so much action happening here lately, and the
folks were missing the sakastani angle badly. I guess
order has now been restored.
Bubbly tonight, Bholu!.
.
Bholu
Hope your stay at Bellevue was
more pleasant this time. We missed
you (really).
I am sad to report that in your
absence Bhiya-Kirar Empire has
grown bolder and started attacking
our starfleet with impunity.
Babloo United Liberation Front
has gained international sympathy.
Electricity is in short supply -
this may be a mixed blessing to you.
With you return we hope Sakasthana
will progress even beyond the standards
set by Republic of Jhummri Talaiya.
tari virk
> Hi! I am a Virk from Ludhiana (Punjab). I found a good book on history of
> Virks giving details of Virks in India (Karnal, Jalandhar, Ludhiana, Patiala
> areas). I am missing some record for Jagraon Tehsil in Ludhiana area. If
> someone know of any good book / reference, please let me know.
> I came to know that there are Virks in Pakistan - Punjab too. Does any one
> have reference on that too.
> Regards,
> Kulveer S Virk