A few questions for "Indians"
Punjabi Putt
will be able to answer them.
1. Is there a common "Indian identity" that is shared by all the peoples who
live in "India"?
2. If so, what is it based on? On a common (single) culture, history, or
language?
3. Why are Assam and Amritsar in the same country while Amritsar and Wagah,
which have a lot more in common with each other, are in different countries?
4. Why haven't the butchers of Kashmiris, Sikhs, Assamese, Nagas, Dalits, etc.
been punished yet?
5. Why has 75% of Punjab's riparian water been diverted (euphemism for stolen)
and given to other states?
6. Prior to the arrival of the British, under what regime and when were
Punjab, Andhra Pradesh and Mizoram in the same nation/empire/entity?
7. Why has state-sponsored violence occured only against communities that do
not conform to a hegemonic strain of Hinduism? (Examples: Christian Nagas,
Sikh Punjabis, Muslim Kashmiris, tribals).
8. Why does 7% of the population hold 95% of the top government posts?
9. Why is Hindi used as the national language when only 30% of "India" speaks
it as a mother tongue (even this figure is manipulated include Paharis and
tribals)?
10. Why were 300,000 troops sent to Punjab to catch "300 militants"? (This
means a ratio of 1000 men sent for each militant).
11. Why are 200m Dalits still treated like dogs?
12. What are the "myriad threads" that hold "India" together?
--Punjabi Putt
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Mo
Here are some things I, and many others, are curious about.
Hopefully someone
will be able to answer them.
>1. Is there a common "Indian identity" that is shared by all the peoples who
live in "India"?<
Yes Hinduism - Indian Punjab was also Hindu majority till
the Sikh refugees arrived after great killings by fellow
Punjabis
2. If so, what is it based on? On a common (single) culture,
history, or
language?
Democracy
3. Why are Assam and Amritsar in the same country while
Amritsar and Wagah,
which have a lot more in common with each other, are in
different countries?
Because the Punjabi Muslims wanted to be in Pakistan.
4. Why haven't the butchers of Kashmiris, Sikhs, Assamese,
Nagas, Dalits, etc.
been punished yet?
Prove that they are guilty first .
5. Why has 75% of Punjab's riparian water been diverted
(euphemism for stolen)
and given to other states?
No rivers originate in Punjab . Punjab is not short of water
and cant store it unless Punjabis want to live under six
feet of water .
6. Prior to the arrival of the British, under what regime
and when were
Punjab, Andhra Pradesh and Mizoram in the same
nation/empire/entity?
Guptas , Mauryas , Mughals , Hindus
7. Why has state-sponsored violence occured only against
communities that do
not conform to a hegemonic strain of Hinduism? (Examples:
Christian Nagas,
Sikh Punjabis, Muslim Kashmiris, tribals).
Because they refuse to follow the democratic route and take
up arms against the state . Nagas have won power through the
ballot box
8. Why does 7% of the population hold 95% of the top
government posts?
It doesnt . Why do Jatts hold all the land and army
posts ? Why do Shudras own all the business wealth ?
Certain groups are interested in certain things and Kirars
like to serve the people in low paying highly taxed civil
servant jobs .
9. Why is Hindi used as the national language when only 30%
of "India" speaks
it as a mother tongue (even this figure is manipulated
include Paharis and
tribals)?
90% of Indians understand Hindi .
10. Why were 300,000 troops sent to Punjab to catch "300
militants"? (This
means a ratio of 1000 men sent for each militant).
Whatever force is needed to protect innocent people is used
in a democracy.
11. Why are 200m Dalits still treated like dogs?
They are equal under the law and get affirmative action and
are increasingly getting their rights in many fields . The
Chief of the Defence forces is a Dalit ( Narayannan)
12. What are the "myriad threads" that hold "India"
together?
Mainly Hinduism that is why these faiths (including Sikhs ,
Buddhists , Chrisitians . Jews ,Parsis) must not become a
minority to Muslims otherwise India will break up..
Pradip Parekh
with facts.
Now wait for SOS.
Pradip Parekh
Mo <10033...@compuserve.com> wrote in message ...
Rama Krishna Pidaparti
Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>Here are some things I, and many others, are curious about. Hopefully someone
Just speak for yourself.
>will be able to answer them.
>3. Why are Assam and Amritsar in the same country while Amritsar and Wagah,
>which have a lot more in common with each other, are in different countries?
Ask Jinnah when you get to meet him up there one day.
>--Punjabi Putt
Mo
(euphemism for stolen)
and given to other states?
No rivers originate in Punjab . Punjab is not short of water
and cant store it as Punjab is all flat , unless Punjabis
want to live under six feet of water ! .
A few years ago Punjab was flooded and the Khalibrainstanis
blamed the Hindu Punjabi manger of the Bhakra dam for
releasing too much water ! Water would have spilled over
the dam anyway so great was the amount but you can only talk
sense to those who have it ..
Mo
(euphemism for stolen)
and given to other states?
No rivers originate in Punjab . Punjab is not short of water
and cant store it as Punjab is all flat , unless Punjabis
want to live under six feet of water ! .
A few years ago Punjab was flooded and the Khalibrainstanis
blamed the Hindu Punjabi manger of the Bhakra dam for
releasing too much water and killed him ! Water would have
krish...@my-dejanews.com
Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> Here are some things I, and many others, are curious about. Hopefully someone
>
> live in "India"?
Yes, being Indian.
>
> 2. If so, what is it based on? On a common (single) culture, history, or
> language?
It is based on belonging to a common (single) country.
>
> 3. Why are Assam and Amritsar in the same country while Amritsar and Wagah,
> which have a lot more in common with each other, are in different countries?
While Wagah and Amritsar may have "lot more in common with each other,"
Assam and Amritsar have being INDIAN as common.
>
> 4. Why haven't the butchers of Kashmiris, Sikhs, Assamese, Nagas, Dalits, etc.
> been punished yet?
There are laws are rules in India which ensure punishment to the criminals.
One has to press for justice.
>
> 5. Why has 75% of Punjab's riparian water been diverted (euphemism for stolen)
> and given to other states?
I can't comment on this, since I don't know much about this issue.
>
> 6. Prior to the arrival of the British, under what regime and when were
> Punjab, Andhra Pradesh and Mizoram in the same nation/empire/entity?
Don't know. But now they are in the same country i.e., India.
>
> 7. Why has state-sponsored violence occured only against communities that do
> not conform to a hegemonic strain of Hinduism? (Examples: Christian Nagas,
> Sikh Punjabis, Muslim Kashmiris, tribals).
Need proof for saying the voilence was state-sponspored. Please quote
statements to this effect in our constitution if you have.
>
> 8. Why does 7% of the population hold 95% of the top government posts?
Maybe, 95% top govt. posts = 7% population.
Please rephrase your question in order it makes any sense.
>
> 9. Why is Hindi used as the national language when only 30% of "India" speaks
> it as a mother tongue (even this figure is manipulated include Paharis and
> tribals)?
Hindi is not a national language. But for being widely understood among
the masses in India, it is chosen for announcements in Railway Stations
and other purposes.
>
> 10. Why were 300,000 troops sent to Punjab to catch "300 militants"? (This
> means a ratio of 1000 men sent for each militant).
Because,
*. While one militant hides in one place, the security men have
to search for him at 1000 places.
*. Govt. did not know that there were exactly 300 militants.
*. Even after catching all militants, the troops are required
to maintain peace and check crossborder terrorism.
>
> 11. Why are 200m Dalits still treated like dogs?
There are some people who behave like dogs, I didn't know
they numbered 200 million. Thanks for the information.
>
> 12. What are the "myriad threads" that hold "India" together?
???? India has to be held together by Indians. They should work
for strengthening economy, militiary power together with a team
spirit and not let the fundamentalists and terrorists weaken our
spirit.
Krishna V. M
Punjabi Putt
> >1. Is there a common "Indian identity" that is shared by all the peoples who
> live in "India"?<
> Yes Hinduism - Indian Punjab was also Hindu majority till
So "India" is not "secular"...sounds more like a theocracy to me.
> 2. If so, what is it based on? On a common (single) culture,
> history, or
> language?
>
> Democracy
Thank you for your detailed analysis, Mo. If "Indian" common identity is based
on democracy, why isn't Taiwan part of "India"? It is a democracy after all.
> 4. Why haven't the butchers of Kashmiris, Sikhs, Assamese,
> Nagas, Dalits, etc.
> been punished yet?
> Prove that they are guilty first .
The proof is plentiful...look at KPS Gill and Sajjan Kumar.
> 5. Why has 75% of Punjab's riparian water been diverted
> (euphemism for stolen)
> and given to other states?
>
> No rivers originate in Punjab . Punjab is not short of water
> and cant store it unless Punjabis want to live under six
> feet of water .
Bullshit. The water table in Punjab is dropping markedly while "Indians" fill
up their swimming pools and canals with our water.
> 6. Prior to the arrival of the British, under what regime
> and when were
> Punjab, Andhra Pradesh and Mizoram in the same
> nation/empire/entity?
> Guptas , Mauryas , Mughals , Hindus
All three of the areas mentioned?
> 7. Why has state-sponsored violence occured only against
> communities that do
> not conform to a hegemonic strain of Hinduism? (Examples:
> Christian Nagas,
> Sikh Punjabis, Muslim Kashmiris, tribals).
> Because they refuse to follow the democratic route and take
> up arms against the state . Nagas have won power through the
> ballot box
Ever wonder why all these groups take up arms and no one takes up arms in
Japan or Denmark? Could it be that "India" is an artificial union?
> posts ? Why do Shudras own all the business wealth ?
What??
--Punjabi Putt
subi...@my-dejanews.com
Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> Mo wrote:
>
> > >1. Is there a common "Indian identity" that is shared by all the peoples who
> > live in "India"?<
> > Yes Hinduism - Indian Punjab was also Hindu majority till
>
> So "India" is not "secular"...sounds more like a theocracy to me.
That should bring tears of joy in appreciating the fact that we now share a
common belief in theocracy.
>
> > 2. If so, what is it based on? On a common (single) culture,
> > history, or
> > language?
> >
> > Democracy
>
> Thank you for your detailed analysis, Mo. If "Indian" common identity is based
> on democracy, why isn't Taiwan part of "India"? It is a democracy after all.
Not surprising, since our putt still fails to understand how the West is not
one with Taiwan.
>
> > 4. Why haven't the butchers of Kashmiris, Sikhs, Assamese,
> > Nagas, Dalits, etc.
> > been punished yet?
> > Prove that they are guilty first .
>
> The proof is plentiful...look at KPS Gill and Sajjan Kumar.
On the serious side, this cannot be denied and Mo must acknowlege the state
sanctioned murders against civilians all over India.
>
> > 5. Why has 75% of Punjab's riparian water been diverted
> > (euphemism for stolen)
> > and given to other states?
> >
> > No rivers originate in Punjab . Punjab is not short of water
> > and cant store it unless Punjabis want to live under six
> > feet of water .
>
> Bullshit. The water table in Punjab is dropping markedly while "Indians" fill
> up their swimming pools and canals with our water.
If the state of Punjab wants to be part of India, then it must learn to share
its water. Otherwise, it is free to declare itself independent and go to war
with India over water.
>
> > 6. Prior to the arrival of the British, under what regime
> > and when were
> > Punjab, Andhra Pradesh and Mizoram in the same
> > nation/empire/entity?
> > Guptas , Mauryas , Mughals , Hindus
>
> All three of the areas mentioned?
Prior to 1699, exactly what part of Punjab was under Sikh independence ?
>
> > 7. Why has state-sponsored violence occured only against
> > communities that do
> > not conform to a hegemonic strain of Hinduism? (Examples:
> > Christian Nagas,
> > Sikh Punjabis, Muslim Kashmiris, tribals).
> > Because they refuse to follow the democratic route and take
> > up arms against the state . Nagas have won power through the
> > ballot box
>
> Ever wonder why all these groups take up arms and no one takes up arms in
> Japan or Denmark? Could it be that "India" is an artificial union?
Ever wonder how it will be like to be in those bad old days of independent
kingdoms, happily fighting each other over water, land, gold,
self-determination, higher principles ? Don't worry, PP, soon India will be
divided back to the thousands of small but freee and democratik states that
will live together in great peace and harmoneee.
Subir De.
subi...@my-dejanews.com
Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> Here are some things I, and many others, are curious about. Hopefully someone
> will be able to answer them.
Hear some answers that you and millions of Sakas, dying to find out.
Hopelesslly, some kind sage will be able to drill them into your collective
nuts:
>
> 1. Is there a common "Indian identity" that is shared by all the peoples who
> live in "India"?
The same kind of identity that enable us, "Indians", to conspire to enslave
the suffering Saka peoples. That is, unless you believe in an enemy that has
no identity.
>
> 2. If so, what is it based on? On a common (single) culture, history, or
> language?
our common hatred for all things Saka ?
>
> 3. Why are Assam and Amritsar in the same country while Amritsar and Wagah,
> which have a lot more in common with each other, are in different countries?
The same reason why Sakashtan streaches all the way from Kashmir to Sind, PP.
>
> 4. Why haven't the butchers of Kashmiris, Sikhs, Assamese, Nagas, Dalits, etc.
> been punished yet?
The same reason why all the butchers since the past 2000 odd years have gone
on to become natinal heroes.
>
> 5. Why has 75% of Punjab's riparian water been diverted (euphemism for stolen)
> and given to other states?
75% too much ? No problemo, exactly how much water is Punjab willing to share
with the other states ?
>
> 6. Prior to the arrival of the British, under what regime and when were
> Punjab, Andhra Pradesh and Mizoram in the same nation/empire/entity?
Prior to the arrival of the Great Gurus, under what regime and were the
states of Muslim Afghanistan, Kashmir, Rajasthan, Sind under the same
nation/Empire/Entity/Saka ?
>
> 7. Why has state-sponsored violence occured only against communities that do
> not conform to a hegemonic strain of Hinduism? (Examples: Christian Nagas,
> Sikh Punjabis, Muslim Kashmiris, tribals).
Try not to answer your own first question with your 7th question. If you
accept hegemony of Hindoooos, then don't turn around and pretend to ask if it
there is such a thing as common bonds of Hindooooos.
>
> 8. Why does 7% of the population hold 95% of the top government posts?
of course, the old completely soilid 7%OC figure resurfaces like an
irrepressable monumental joke. Don't worry, our Saka researcher, Gurupurudesh
has done remarkable investigation to give a sakisfactory answer.
>
> 9. Why is Hindi used as the national language when only 30% of "India" speaks
> it as a mother tongue (even this figure is manipulated include Paharis and
> tribals)?
Perhaps another language with 10% commonality would be more suitable.
>
> 10. Why were 300,000 troops sent to Punjab to catch "300 militants"? (This
> means a ratio of 1000 men sent for each militant).
Because it takes only 300 brave freedom fighters to take out 300,000 cowardly
"Indians".
>
> 11. Why are 200m Dalits still treated like dogs?
You know, in India, the bonded labor translate into treatment far worse than
how man treats animals.
>
> 12. What are the "myriad threads" that hold "India" together?
That is easy, the single thread that hold "India" together is our devotion to
the oppresion of the SAKA peoples of the world.
Subir De.
PS. I do love responding to trolling questionnaires.
sha...@my-dejanews.com
Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> Here are some things I, and many others, are curious about. Hopefully someone
> will be able to answer them.
>
> live in "India"?
>
India exists as a result of default; in medevial Europe nationalisms had not
developed fully, it took a few centuries for regional identities to assert
themselves as national identities. India is going through the same process,
but in the meantime the current hegemonical and corrupt regime is taking
advantage of people's ignorance. But in the end, "Indian" identity will go
to the grave just as "Soviet" identity did.
> 2. If so, what is it based on? On a common (single) culture, history, or
> language?
Largely on the fantasies of Gandhi-Nehru and their pseudo-secular chelas.
And also on the nasty fantasies of another group, hindu-fundamentalists of the
Mo variety. How many people have said, the common thread binding India is
Hinduism? Where does that leave the Sikhs and other groups?
> 3. Why are Assam and Amritsar in the same country while Amritsar and Wagah,
> which have a lot more in common with each other, are in different countries?
The ability of bigots on both sides to take advantage of religious
differences. Punjabis on both sides have suffered by taking thier mullahs,
pandits and bhais too seriously.
>
> 4. Why haven't the butchers of Kashmiris, Sikhs, Assamese, Nagas, Dalits, etc.
> been punished yet?
Human life has little value in India, particularly when it belongs to one of
the above mentioned groups. Thats why butchers like HKL Bhagat are allowed
to live lives of comfort and voted in by the Indian citizenry...any shouts
for justice or resistance to the malvolence of the system are crushed while
wretched characters boast about thier moral superiority to the West and
ancient peace-loving heritage.
>
> 5. Why has 75% of Punjab's riparian water been diverted (euphemism for stolen)
> and given to other states?
Stealing (sharing as some of our patriot friends would like to call is a norm
in India.
> 6. Prior to the arrival of the British, under what regime and when were
> Punjab, Andhra Pradesh and Mizoram in the same nation/empire/entity?
>
> 7. Why has state-sponsored violence occured only against communities that do
> not conform to a hegemonic strain of Hinduism? (Examples: Christian Nagas,
> Sikh Punjabis, Muslim Kashmiris, tribals).
>
Human life has little value, its more important that citizens be able to sing
"sare jahaan se acha" and remind themselves that they are heirs of a great
civilization, than to worry about what kinds of crimes are committed by the
State on human beings.
> 8. Why does 7% of the population hold 95% of the top government posts?
>
Fairness is not an issue for most Indians.
> 9. Why is Hindi used as the national language when only 30% of "India" speaks
> it as a mother tongue (even this figure is manipulated include Paharis and
> tribals)?
>
See above.
> 10. Why were 300,000 troops sent to Punjab to catch "300 militants"? (This
> means a ratio of 1000 men sent for each militant).
>
Because the intent was to kill more than 300 Sikhs. At least 100,000 ( the
actual figure could be between 150,000 to 250,000) Sikhs have been murdered by
the government of India, while butchers like Sajjan Kumar and HKL Bhagat live
are respected by the citizens of Delhi.
> 11. Why are 200m Dalits still treated like dogs?
See above.
> 12. What are the "myriad threads" that hold "India" together?
The original hallucinations of Gandhi, Nehru and others...the fascist
tendencies of the supporters of a murderous regime, and the ignorance of the
masses.
Shamyl
Kulbir Singh
Very delightful responses in sharp contrast to the
dreary preachings of Rangu.
regards,
Kulbir Singh
subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
: In article <7ess9e$kif$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
: Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
: > Mo wrote:
: >
: > > >1. Is there a common "Indian identity" that is shared by all the peoples who
: > > live in "India"?<
: > > Yes Hinduism - Indian Punjab was also Hindu majority till
: >
: > So "India" is not "secular"...sounds more like a theocracy to me.
: That should bring tears of joy in appreciating the fact that we now share a
: common belief in theocracy.
: >
: > > 2. If so, what is it based on? On a common (single) culture,
: > > history, or
: > > language?
: > >
: > > Democracy
: >
: > Thank you for your detailed analysis, Mo. If "Indian" common identity is based
: > on democracy, why isn't Taiwan part of "India"? It is a democracy after all.
: Not surprising, since our putt still fails to understand how the West is not
: one with Taiwan.
: >
: > > 4. Why haven't the butchers of Kashmiris, Sikhs, Assamese,
: > > Nagas, Dalits, etc.
: > > been punished yet?
: > > Prove that they are guilty first .
: >
: > The proof is plentiful...look at KPS Gill and Sajjan Kumar.
: On the serious side, this cannot be denied and Mo must acknowlege the state
: sanctioned murders against civilians all over India.
: >
: > > 5. Why has 75% of Punjab's riparian water been diverted
: > > (euphemism for stolen)
: > > and given to other states?
: > >
: > > No rivers originate in Punjab . Punjab is not short of water
: > > and cant store it unless Punjabis want to live under six
: > > feet of water .
: >
: > Bullshit. The water table in Punjab is dropping markedly while "Indians" fill
: > up their swimming pools and canals with our water.
: If the state of Punjab wants to be part of India, then it must learn to share
: its water. Otherwise, it is free to declare itself independent and go to war
: with India over water.
: >
: > > 6. Prior to the arrival of the British, under what regime
: > > and when were
: > > Punjab, Andhra Pradesh and Mizoram in the same
: > > nation/empire/entity?
: > > Guptas , Mauryas , Mughals , Hindus
: >
: > All three of the areas mentioned?
: Prior to 1699, exactly what part of Punjab was under Sikh independence ?
: >
: > > 7. Why has state-sponsored violence occured only against
: > > communities that do
: > > not conform to a hegemonic strain of Hinduism? (Examples:
: > > Christian Nagas,
: > > Sikh Punjabis, Muslim Kashmiris, tribals).
: > > Because they refuse to follow the democratic route and take
: > > up arms against the state . Nagas have won power through the
: > > ballot box
: >
: > Ever wonder why all these groups take up arms and no one takes up arms in
: > Japan or Denmark? Could it be that "India" is an artificial union?
: Ever wonder how it will be like to be in those bad old days of independent
: kingdoms, happily fighting each other over water, land, gold,
: self-determination, higher principles ? Don't worry, PP, soon India will be
: divided back to the thousands of small but freee and democratik states that
: will live together in great peace and harmoneee.
: Subir De.
: >
: > > posts ? Why do Shudras own all the business wealth ?
: >
: > What??
: >
: > --Punjabi Putt
: >
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Mo
its water. <
What water ? All of it originates in Himachal . Pakistanis
are bitter about the river waters treaty and many want to go
to war with India over it .
Their arguement is that the three Western rivers originate
in Kashmir and have nothing to do with India ( they get all
the waters of these three rivers) but they do have 'riparian
' rights over the two eastern rivers -Beas and Sutlej .
Of course if Khalistan comes about the first thing Pakistan
will do is attack it to get these rivers and Sardars will
have to fight them alone as they did so well in 1947..
gdr...@hotmail.com
Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> Here are some things I, and many others, are curious about. Hopefully someone
> will be able to answer them.
>
Even tough I am also curious to find about the following questions
from others(?) , I also do have some answers but not from the Saka’s :-)
angle.
> 1. Is there a common "Indian identity" that is shared by all the peoples who
> live in "India"?
Yes. Whoever adhere to this following “motto” can be called “Indians”.
F**K (others, whoever not wearing a “sacred” thread ) and if not Let
(others, whoever wearing a “sacred” thread) F**K (you).
If get any free time, F**K to procreate.
>
> 2. If so, what is it based on? On a common (single) culture, history, or
> language?
Those culture, history or languages are bull crap for whoever not wearing a
“sacred” thread.
There is only one language i.e sanskrit.
one culture i.e vedic culture.
One history i.e of vedic rulers their victories and their defeats.
All other things are subservient to this.
>
> 3. Why are Assam and Amritsar in the same country while Amritsar and Wagah,
> which have a lot more in common with each other, are in different countries?
>
Refer our Motto.
> 4. Why haven't the butchers of Kashmiris, Sikhs, Assamese, Nagas, Dalits, etc.
> been punished yet?
>
We already checked what is in side their shirts.
They indeed have the license to do that.
They cant be punished.
As per that licence they did what they are supposed to do according to their
“Dharma”.
You cannot question that.
If you still have problem in understanding, refer our Motto.
> 5. Why has 75% of Punjab's riparian water been diverted (euphemism for stolen)
> and given to other states?
>
What is the actual no of people wearing a sacred thread in Punjab?
What is the actual no of people wearing a sacred thread in Haryana and
Himachal pradesh?
If you know this answer, and still don’t know the answer to your question
Please refer back to our motto again.
> 6. Prior to the arrival of the British, under what regime and when were
> Punjab, Andhra Pradesh and Mizoram in the same nation/empire/entity?
>
Our king Bharat, forefather to our god Ram, ruled this land and also
pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma, Srilanka,Afganistan, Malay and others following
the same Motto as above. I cannot answer when ? But I can guess. This “fact”
is told eternally. So I guess the period could be just before “eternally”.
Satisfied? If not refer our motto.
> 7. Why has state-sponsored violence occured only against communities that do
> not conform to a hegemonic strain of Hinduism? (Examples: Christian Nagas,
> Sikh Punjabis, Muslim Kashmiris, tribals).
The rule of land is based on our motto.
Obviously those communities went against our “rule” and the state intervened
and brought the order To those states. You cannot call that as
state-sponsored violence. It is the state’s “dhrama”.
>
> 8. Why does 7% of the population hold 95% of the top government posts?
>
Arre bhai.
When I started I never thought “our” motto is the answer to “all” of your
questions.
> 9. Why is Hindi used as the national language when only 30% of "India" speaks
> it as a mother tongue (even this figure is manipulated include Paharis and
> tribals)?
>
This Hindi is a close relative to our sacred language Sanskrit.
Those British idiots gave the voting rights to every body.
In this scenario 30% is more powerful than other 10% , 5% 2% etc.
Till we establish the “Bharat” kingdom completely, we have to adjust
With this status. Then Sanskrit will be back to its original position.
> 10. Why were 300,000 troops sent to Punjab to catch "300 militants"? (This
> means a ratio of 1000 men sent for each militant).
>
300000 or 3 million, no matter. we want the results and we achieved it.
> 11. Why are 200m Dalits still treated like dogs?
Is it?
Since this is the period of kaliyug, these kind of slack is happening.
They are supposed to be treated worse than dogs.
>
> 12. What are the "myriad threads" that hold "India" together?
There are no myriad threads.
There is only a simple “sacred(?) thread”.
And only the concern for the welfare of that thread holds India together.
gdravid.
sha...@my-dejanews.com
subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7ess9e$kif$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> >
> > So "India" is not "secular"...sounds more like a theocracy to me.
>
> That should bring tears of joy in appreciating the fact that we now share a
> common belief in theocracy.
Thank you for being open about your intentions to join the ranks of
fundamentalist Iran, Saudi Arabia, and medevial Europe. The world is moving
towards the 21st century, but crackpots like yourself are living in the 15th.
> On the serious side, this cannot be denied and Mo must acknowlege the state
> sanctioned murders against civilians all over India.
Its unlikely that Mo or the rest of your contrymen are going to acknowledge
this...but keep on trying.
> If the state of Punjab wants to be part of India, then it must learn to share
> its water.
The word "share" here means "allow to be stolen" Sort of like how 'encounter'
means the death of innocent Sikhs, or "Delhi riots mean "organized pogrom" or
"democracy" means the "few foolinf the many" or "an integral part of" means
"suppressed by." Stop butchering the English language!
> Otherwise, it is free to declare itself independent and go to war
> with India over water.
>
The civilized world has other means to solve its conflicts than making war ofr
every whim...are you a part of that?
> Prior to 1699, exactly what part of Punjab was under Sikh independence ?
You did not answer the question.
> Ever wonder how it will be like to be in those bad old days of independent
> kingdoms, happily fighting each other over water, land, gold,
> self-determination, higher principles ?
Lets not be so petty as to put self-determination in the same category as
fighitng for gold or land. In the late eigthies and ninties, movements for
self-determination have flowered across the world...hegemonical regimes that
oppressed various nationalities have fallen on their faces, suppressed
minorities are asserting thier rights once again, and a mighty empire like the
USSR (to the surprise of most political experts) has collapsed in our times.
How long can impotent old farting reactionaries hope to suppress the Sikhs?
Shamyl
sha...@my-dejanews.com
krish...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7eirdh$ndq$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> >
> > 11. Why are 200m Dalits still treated like dogs?
>
> There are some people who behave like dogs, I didn't know
> they numbered 200 million. Thanks for the information.
Krishna's views that Dalits 'behave like dogs' are not too far from what
Gandhi felt. See below:
As opposed to the popular perceptions, here you will see Gandhi's image from
the eyes of
a very famous untouchable leader, named, Dr. B.R. Ambedkar (1893-1956). Born
and raised
as an untouchable, Dr. Ambedkar received his masters and Ph.D. from Columbia
University,
which later on also conferred upon him the Doctor of Law. Dr. Ambedkar also
received a
D.Sc. degree from London School of Economics, and the Bar-at-Law from the
Grays Inn,
London. Suffice to say, Dr. Ambedkar's sharp intellect has provided us an
insight into Gandhi,
some of which we will like to share with you all. We recommend the
following:
1. Nichols, Beverley. Verdict on India. New York: Harcourt, Brace and
Company, 1944.
A book we highly recommend. Beverley Nichols, a famous novelist, musician,
playwright, essayist, reporter, and a journalist visited British India.
During this visit, he met Dr. Ambedkar, who told him:
"Gandhi is the greatest enemy the untouchables have ever had in India."
So what did Ambedkar mean? Mr. Nichols explained it as follows:
[We can best explain it by a parallel. Take Ambedkar's remark, and for the
word "untouchable" substitute the word "peace." Now imagine that a great
champion of peace, like Lord Cecil, said, "Gandhi is the greatest enemy of
peace the world has ever had." What would he mean, using these words of the
most spectacular pacifist of modern times? He would mean that passive
resistance--which is Gandhi's form of pacifism--could only lead to chaos and
the eventual triumph of brute force; that to lie down and let people trample
on you (which was Gandhi's recipe for dealing with the Japanese) is a
temptation to the aggressor rather than an example to the aggressed; and
that in order to have peace you must organize, you must be strong, and that
you must be prepared to use force. Mutatis mutandis, that is precisely what
Ambedkar meant about the untouchables. He wanted them to be recognized and
he wanted them to be strong. He rightly considered that the best way of
gaining his object was by granting them separate electorates; a solid block
of 60 million would be in a position to dictate terms to its oppressors.
Gandhi fiercely opposed this scheme. "Give the untouchables separate
electorates," he cried, "and you only perpetuate their status for all time."
It was a queer argument, and those who were not bemused by the Mahatma's
charm considered it a phoney one. They suspected that Gandhi was a little
afraid that 60 million untouchables might join up with the 100 million
Muslims--(as they nearly did)--and challenge the dictatorship of the 180
million orthodox Hindus. With such irreverent criticisms were made to him,
Gandhi resorted to his usual tactics: he began to fast unto death. (As if
that altered the situation by a comma or proved anything but his own
obstinacy!) There was a frenzy of excitement, ending in a compromise on the
seventh day of the fast. The untouchables still vote in the same
constituencies as the caste Hindus, but a substantial number of seats are now
reserved for them in the provincial legislatures. It is better than nothing,
but it is not nearly so good as it would have been if Gandhi had not
interfered. That is what Doctor Ambedkar meant. And I think that he was
right.]
2. Ambedkar, B.R. What Congress and Gandhi Have Done to the Untouchables.
Bombay: Thacker & Co., Ltd, 2nd edition, 1946. Excerpts from this book were
published in: Gandhi: Maker of Modern India? Edited by Martin Deming Lewis.
Boston: D.C. Heath and Co., 1965. Here is the report which you must read in
its
entirety:
Mr. Gandhi's views on the caste system--which constitutes the main social
problem in India--were fully elaborated by him in 1921-22 in a Gujrati
journal called Nava-Jivan. The article is written in Gujrati. I give below
an English translation of his views as near as possible in his own words.
Says Mr. Gandhi:
(1) I believe that if Hindu Society has been able to stand it is because it
is founded on the caste system.
(2) The seeds of swaraj are to be found in the caste system. Different
castes are like different sections of miliary division. Each division is
working for the good of the whole....
(3) A community which can create the caste system must be said to possess
unique
power of organization.
(4) Caste has a ready made means for spreading primary education. Each
caste can take the responsibility for the education of the children of the
caste. Caste has a political basis. It can work as an electorate for a
representative body. Caste can perform judicial functions by electing
persons to act as judges to decide disputes among members of the same caste.
With castes it is easy to raise a defense force by requiring each caste to
raise a brigade.
(5) I believe that interdining or intermarriage are not necessary for
promoting national unity. That dining together creates friendship is
contrary to experience. If this was true there would have been no war in
Europe.... Taking food is as dirty an act as answering the call of nature.
The only difference is that after answering call of nature we get peace
while after eating food we get discomfort. Just as we perform the act of
answering the call of nature in seclusion so also the act of taking food must
also be done in seclusion.
(6) In India children of brothers do not intermarry. Do they cease to love
because they do not intermarry? Among the Vaishnavas many women are so
orthodox that they will not eat with members of the family nor will they
drink water from a common water pot. Have they no love? The caste system
cannot be said to be bad because it does not allow interdining or
intermarriage between different castes.
(7) Caste is another name for control. Caste puts a limit on enjoyment. Caste
does not
allow a person to transgress caste limits in pursuit of his enjoyment. That
is the
meaning of such caste restrictions as interdining and intermarriage.
(8) To destroy caste system and adopt Western European social system means
that Hindus must give up the principle of hereditary occupation which is the
soul of the caste system. Hereditary principle is an eternal principle. To
change it is to create disorder. I have no use for a Brahmin if I cannot
call him a Brahmin for my life. It will be a chaos if every day a Brahmin is
to be changed into a Shudra and a Shudra is to be changed into a Brahmin.
(9) The caste system is a natural order of society. In India it has been
given a
religious coating. Other countries not having understood the utility of the
caste
system, it existed only in a loose condition and consequently those countries
have not
derived from caste system the same degree of advantage which India has
derived.
These being my views I am opposed to all those who are out to destroy the
caste
system.
In 1922, Mr. Gandhi was a defender of the caste system. Pursuing the
inquiry, one comes across a somewhat critical view of the caste system by
Mr. Gandhi in the year 1925. This is what Mr. Gandhi said on 3rd February
1925:
I gave support to caste because it stands for restraint. But at present
caste does not mean restraint, it means limitations. Restraint is glorious
and helps to achieve freedom. But limitation is like chain. It binds. There
is nothing commendable in castes as they exist to-day. They are contrary to
the tenets of the Shastras. The number of castes is infinite and there is a
bar against intermarriage. This is not a condition of elevation. It is a
state of fall.
In reply to the question: What is the way out? Mr. Gandhi said:
The best remedy is that small castes should fuse themselves into one big
caste.
There should be four big castes so that we may reproduce the old system of
four
Varnas.
In short, in 1925 Mr. Gandhi became an upholder of the Varna system.
The old Varna system prevalent in ancient India had the society divided
into four
orders: (1) Brahmins,whose occupation was learning; (2) Kshatriyas, whose
occupation was warfare; (3) Vaishyas, whose occupation was trade and (4)
Shudras,whose occupation was service of the other classes. Is Mr. Gandhi's
Varna
system the same as this old Varna system of the orthodox Hindus? Mr. Gandhi
explained his Varna system in the following terms:
(1) I believe that the divisions into Varna is based on birth.
(2) There is nothing in the Varna system which stands in the way of the
Shudra acquiring learning or studying military art of offense or defense.
Contra it is open to a Kshatriya to serve. The Varna system is no bar to
him. What the Varna system enjoins is that a Shudra will not make learning a
way of earning a living. Nor will a Kshatriya adopt service as a way of
learning a living. [Similarly a Brahmin may learn the art of war or trade.
But he must not make them a way of earning his living. Contra a Vaishya may
acquire learning or may cultivate the art of war. But he must not make them
a way of learning his living.]
(3) The Varna system is connected with the way of earning a living. There is
no harm if a person belonging to one Varna acquires the knowledge or science
and art specialized in by persons belonging to other Varnas. But as far as
the way of earning his living is concerned he must follow the occupation of
the Varna to which he belongs which means he must follow the hereditary
profession of his forefathers.
(4) The object of the Varna is to prevent competition and class struggle and
class war.
I believe in the Varna system because it fixes the duties and occupations of
persons.
(5) Varna means the determination of a man's occupation before he is born.
(6) In the Varna system no man has any liberty to choose his occupation.
His occupation is determined for him by heredity.
* *
*
The social life of Gandhism is either caste or Varna.Though it may be
difficult to
say which, there can be no doubt that the social ideal of Gandhism is not
democracy.
For, whether one takes for comparison caste or Varnaboth are fundamentally
opposed
to democracy....
That Mr. Gandhi changed over from the caste system to the Varna system does
not make the slightest difference to the charge that Gandhism is opposed to
democracy. In the first place, the idea of Varna is the parent of the idea
of caste. If the idea of caste is a pernicious idea it is entirely because
of the viciousness of the idea of Varna. Both are evil ideas and it matters
very little whether one believes in Varna or in caste.
* *
*
Turning to the field of economic life, Mr. Gandhi stands for two ideals.
One of these is the opposition to machinery... evidenced by his idolization
of charkha (the spinning wheel) and by insistence upon hand-spinning and
hand-weaving. His opposition to machinery and his love for charkha are not
matter of accident. They are a matter of his philosophy of life....
The second ideal of Mr. Gandhi is the elimination of class war and even
class struggle in the relationship between employers and employees and
between landlords and tenants....Mr. Gandhi does not wish to hurt the
propertied class. He is even opposed to a campaign against them. He has no
passion for economic equality. Referring to the propertied class Mr. Gandhi
said quite recently that he does not wish to destroy the hen that lays the
golden egg. His solution for the economic conflict between the owners and
the workers, between the rich and the poor, between the landlords and the
tenants and between the employers and the employees is very simple. The
owners need not deprive themselves of their property. All they need do is to
declare themselves trustees for the poor. Of course, the trust is to be a
voluntary one carrying only a spiritual obligation.
Is there anything new in the Gandhian analysis of economic ills? Are the
economics of Gandhism sound? What hope does Gandhism hold out to the common
man, to the down and out? Does it promise him a better life, a life of joy
and culture, a life of freedom, not merely freedom from want but freedom to
rise, to grow to the full stature which his capacities can reach?
There is nothing new in the Gandhian analysis of economic ills, insofar as
it attributes them to machinery and the civilization that is built upon it.
That machinery and modern civilization help to concentrate management and
control into relatively few hands, and with the aid of banking and credit
facilitate the transfer into still fewer hands of all materials and
factories and mills in which millions are bled white in order to support
huge industries thousands of miles away from their cottages, maimings and
cripplings far in excess of the corresponding injuries by war, and are
responsible for disease and physical deterioration due directly and
indirectly to the development of large cities with their smoke, dirt, noise,
foul air, lack of sunshine and outdoor life, slums, prostitution and
unnatural living which they bring about, are all old and worn-out arguments.
There is nothing new in them. Gandhism is merely repeating the views of
Rousseau, Ruskin, Tolstoy and their school.
The ideas which go to make up Gandhism are just primitive. It is a return
to nature, to animal life. The only merit is their simplicity. As there is
always a large corps of simple people who are attracted by them, such simple
ideas do not die, and there is always some simpleton to preach them. There
is, however, no doubt that the practical instincts of men--which seldom go
wrong--have found them unfruitful and which society in search of progress
has thought it best to reject.
The economics of Gandhism are hopelessly fallacious. The fact that
machinery and modern civilization have produced many evils may be admitted.
But these evils are no argument against them. For the evils are not due to
machinery and modern civilization. They are due to wrong social
organization, which has made private property and pursuit of personal gain,
matters of absolute sanctity. If machinery and civilization have not
benefited everybody, the remedy is not to condemn machinery and civilization
but to alter the organization of society so that the benefits will not be
usurped by the few but will accrue to all.
In Gandhism, the common man has no hope. It treats man as an animal and no
more. It is true that man shares the constitution and functions of animals,
nutritive, reproductive, etc. But these are not distinctively human
functions. The distinctively human function is reason, the purpose of which
is to enable man to observe, meditate, cogitate, study and discover the
beauties of the Universe and enrich his life and control the animal elements
in his life. Man thus occupies the highest place in the scheme of animate
existence. If this is true what is the conclusion that follows: The
conclusion that follows is that while the ultimate goal of a brute's life is
reached once his physical appetites are satisfied, the ultimate goal of man's
existence is not reached unless and until he has fully cultivated his mind.
In short, what divides the brute from man is culture. Culture is not
possible for the brute, but it is essential for man. That being so, the aim
of human society must be to enable every person to lead a life of culture,
which means the cultivation of mind as distinguished from the satisfaction of
mere physical wants. How can this happen?
Both for society as well as for individual[s] there is always a gulf
between merely living and living worthily. In order that one may live
worthily one must first live. The time and energy spent upon mere life, upon
gaining of subsistence detracts from that available for activities of a
distinctively human nature and which go to make up a life of culture. How
then can a life of culture be made possible? It is not possible unless there
is sufficient leisure. For, it is only when there is leisure that a person is
free to devote himself to a life of culture. The problem of all problems,
which human society has to face, is how to provide leisure to every
individual. What does leisure mean? Leisure means the lessening of the toil
and effort necessary for satisfying the physical wants of life. How can
leisure be made possible? Leisure is quite impossible unless some means are
found whereby the toil required for producing goods necessary to satisfy
human needs is lessened. What can lessen such toil? Only when machine takes
the place of man. There is no other means of producing leisure. Machinery and
modern civilization are thus indispensable for emancipating man from leading
the life of a brute, and for providing him with leisure and for making a
life of culture possible. The man who condemns machinery and modern
civilization simply does not understand their purpose and the ultimate aim
which human society must strive to achieve.
Gandhism may well be well suited to a society which does not accept
democracy as its ideal. A society which does not believe in democracy may be
indifferent to machinery and the civilization based upon it. But a
democratic society cannot. The former may well content itself with a life of
leisure and culture for the few and a life of toil and drudgery for the
many. But a democratic society must assure a life of leisure and culture to
each one of its citizens. If the above analysis is correct then the slogan
of a democratic society must be machinery, and more machinery, civilization
and more civilization. Under Gandhism the common man must keep on toiling
ceaselessly for a pittance and remain a brute. In short, Gandhism with its
call of back to nature, means back to nakedness, back to squalor, back to
poverty and back to ignorance for the vast mass of the people....
Gandhism insists upon class structure. It regards the class structure of
society and also the income structure as sacrosanct with the consequent
distinctions of rich and poor, high and low, owners and workers, as
permanent parts of social organization. From the point of view of social
consequences, nothing can be more pernicious.... It is not enough to say
that Gandhism believes in a class structure. Gandhism stands for more than
that. A class structure which is a faded, jejune, effete thing--a mere
sentimentality, a mere skeleton is not what Gandhism wants. It wants class
structure to function as a living faith. In this there is nothing to be
surprised at. For, class structure in Gandhism is not a mere accident. It is
its official doctrine.
The idea of trusteeship, which Gandhism proposes as a panacea and by which
the moneyed classes will hold their properties in trust for the poor, is the
most ridiculous part of it. All that one can say about it is that if anybody
else had propounded it the author would have been laughed at as a silly
fool, who had not known the hard realities of life and was deceiving the
servile classes by telling them that a little dose of moral rearmament to
the propertied classes--those who by their insatiable cupidity and
indomitable arrogance have made and will always make this world a vale of
tears for the toiling millions--will recondition them to such an extent that
they will be able to withstand the temptation to misuse the tremendous
powers which the class structure gives them over servile classes....
Mr. Gandhi sometimes speaks on social and economic subjects as though he
was a blushing Red. Those who will study Gandhism will not be deceived by the
occasional aberrations of Mr. Gandhi in favor of democracy and against
capitalism. For, Gandhism is in no sense a revolutionary creed. It is
conservatism in excelsis. So far as India is concerned, it is a reactionary
creed blazoning on its banner the call of Return to Antiquity. Gandhism aims
at the resuscitation and reanimating of India's dread, dying past.
Gandhism is a paradox. It stands for freedom from foreign domination,
which
means the destruction of the existing political structure of the country. At
the same
time, it seeks to maintain intact a social structure which permits the
domination of
one class by another on a hereditary basis which means a perpetual domination
of one
class by another....
The first special feature of Gandhism is that its philosophy helps those
who want to keep what they have and to prevent those who have not from
getting what they have a right to get. No one who examines the Gandhian
attitude to strikes, the Gandhian reverence for caste and the Gandhian
doctrine of Trusteeship by the rich for the benefit of the poor can deny
that this is an upshot of Gandhism. Whether this is the calculated result of
a deliberate design or whether it is a matter of accident may be open to
argument. But the fact remains that Gandhism is the philosophy of the
well-to-do and the leisure class.
The second special feature of Gandhism is to delude people into accepting
their misfortunes by presenting them as best of good fortunes. One or two
illustrations will suffice to bring out the truth of this statement.
The Hindu sacred law penalized the Shudras (Hindus of the fourth class)
from
acquiring wealth. It is a law of enforced poverty unknown in any other part
of the
world. What does Gandhism do? It does not lift the ban. It blesses the Shudra
for his
moral courage to give up property. It is well worth quoting Mr. Gandhi's own
words.
Here they are:
The Shudra who only serves (the higher caste) as a matter of religious duty,
and who will never own any property, who indeed has not even the ambition to
own anything, is deserving of thousand obeisance...The very Gods will shower
flowers on him.
Another illustration in support is the attitude of Gandhism towards the
scavenger. The sacred law of the Hindus lays down that a scavenger's progeny
shall live by scavenging. Under Hinduism scavenging was not a matter of
choice, it was a matter of force. What does Gandhism do? It seeks to
perpetuate this system by praising scavenging as the noblest service to
society! Let me quote Mr. Gandhi: As a President of a Conference of the
Untouchables, Mr. Gandhi said:
I do not want to attain Moksha. I do not want to be reborn. But if I have to
be reborn, I should be born an untouchable, so that I may share their
sorrows, sufferings and the affronts levelled at them, in order that I
endeavor to free myself and them from that miserable condition. I, therefore
prayed that if I should be born again, I should do so not as a Brahmin,
Kshatriya, Vaishya, or Shudra, but as an Atishudra.... I love scavenging. In
my ashram, an eighteen-years-old Brahmin lad is doing the scavenger's work
in order to teach the ashram scavenger cleanliness. The lad is no reformer.
He was born and bred in orthodoxy.... But he felt that his accomplishments
were incomplete until he had become also a perfect sweeper, and that, if he
wanted the ashram sweeper to do his work well, he must do it himself and set
an example. You should realize that you are cleaning Hindu Society.
Can there be a worse example of false propaganda than this attempt of
Gandhism to perpetuate evils which have been deliberately imposed by one
class over another? If Gandhism preached the rule of poverty for all and not
merely for the Shudra the worst that could be said about it is that it is
mistaken idea. But why preach it as good for one class only?... In India a
man is not a scavenger because of his work. He is a scavenger because of his
birth irrespective of the question whether he does scavenging or not. If
Gandhism preached that scavenging is a noble profession with the object of
inducing those who refuse to engage in it, one could understand it. But why
appeal to the scavenger's pride and vanity in order to induce him and him
only to keep on to scavenging by telling him that scavenging is a noble
profession and that he need not be ashamed of it? To preach that poverty is
good for the Shudra and for none else, to preach that scavenging is good for
the Untouchables and for none else and to make them accept these onerous
impositions as voluntary purposes of life, by appeal to their failings is an
outrage and a cruel joke on the helpless classes which none but Mr. Gandhi
can perpetrate with equanimity and impunity....
Criticism apart, this is the technique of Gandhism to make wrongs done
appear to
the very victim as though they were his privileges. If there is an "ism"
which has
made full use of religion as an opium to lull the people into false beliefs
and false
security, it is Gandhism. Following Shakespeare, one can well say:
Plausibility!
Ingenuity! Thy name is Gandhism.
Such is Gandhism. Having known what is Gandhism the answer to the question,
"Should Gandhism become the law of the land what would be the lot of the
Untouchables under it?" cannot require much scratching of the brain.... In
India even the lowest man among the caste Hindus--why even the aboriginal
and the Hill Tribe man--though educationally and economically not very much
above the Untouchables. The Hindu society accepts him claim to superiority
over the Untouchables. The Untouchable will therefore continue to suffer the
worst fate as he does now namely, in prosperity he will be the last to be
employed and in depression the first to be fired.
What does Gandhism do to relieve the Untouchables from this fate? Gandhism
professes to abolish Untouchability. That is hailed as the greatest virtue of
Gandhism. But what does this virtue amount to in actual life? To assess the
value of this anti-Untouchability which is regarded as a very big element in
Gandhism, it is necessary to understand fully the scope of Mr. Gandhi's
programme for the removal of Untouchability. Does it mean anything more than
that the Hindus will not mind touching the Untouchables? Does it mean the
removal of the ban on the right of the Untouchables to education? It would
be better to take the two questions separately.
To start wit the first question. Mr. Gandhi does not say that a Hindu
should not take a bath after touching the Untouchables. If Mr. Gandhi does
not object to it as a purification of pollution then it is difficult to see
how Untouchability can be said to vanish by touching the Untouchables.
Untouchability centers round the idea of pollution by contact and
purification by bath to remove the pollution. Does it mean social
assimilation of the Untouchables with the Hindus? Mr. Gandhi has most
categorically stated that removal of Untouchability does not mean interdining
or intermarriage between the Hindus and the Untouchables. Mr. Gandhi's
anti-Untouchability means that the Untouchables will be classes as Shudras
instead of being classed as Atishudras [i.e., "beyond Shudras"]. There is
nothing more in it. Mr. Gandhi has not considered whether the old Shudras
will accept the new Shudras into their fold. If they don't then the removal
of Untouchability is a senseless proposition for it will still keep the
Untouchables as a separate social category. Mr. Gandhi probably knows that
the abolition of Untouchability will not bring about the assimilation of the
Untouchables by the Shudras.That seems to be the reason why Mr. Gandhi
himself has given a new and a different name to the Untouchables. The new
name registers by anticipation what is likely to be the fact. By calling the
Untouchables Harijans, Mr. Gandhi has killed two birds with one stone. He has
shown that assimilation of the Untouchables by the Shudras is not possible.
He has
pardesi
subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7eirdh$ndq$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> > Here are some things I, and many others, are curious about. Hopefully someone
> > will be able to answer them.
>
> Hear some answers that you and millions of Sakas, dying to find out.
> Hopelesslly, some kind sage will be able to drill them into your collective
> nuts:
Subir:, on a point of order, at least here in the US, the term "nuts" refers not to
the "head" as I assume you meant in the above reference but to the swinging boys in
the nether regions. It took a while for my desi references to kick in and make sense
of your rejoinder.
Abc
subi...@my-dejanews.com
sha...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7et2r8$qdm$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
...
> Thank you for being open about your intentions to join the ranks of
> fundamentalist Iran, Saudi Arabia, and medevial Europe. The world is moving
> towards the 21st century, but crackpots like yourself are living in the 15th.
Crackputts like me are in completely in agreement that a religion and
politiks are inseperable - exactly what the Khalsa brotherhood is all about.
>
> > On the serious side, this cannot be denied and Mo must acknowlege the state
> > sanctioned murders against civilians all over India.
>
> Its unlikely that Mo or the rest of your contrymen are going to acknowledge
> this...but keep on trying.
It is just as unlikely that Putt and rest of the crew are even going to
acknowledge that criminal elements were and are part of the great freedom
movement.
>
> > If the state of Punjab wants to be part of India, then it must learn to share
> > its water.
>
> The word "share" here means "allow to be stolen"
sammy baby, as long as Pubjab state is part of India, there can be no such
thing as stealing water. If you don't like it, get a gun and fight for your
independence.
> Sort of like how 'encounter'
> means the death of innocent Sikhs,
It also meant the deaths of a significant number of your criminal types who
carried guns under cover of night.
> or "Delhi riots mean "organized pogrom"
This cannot be denied and as such has been well documented in the Indian
media as such.
> or
> "democracy" means the "few foolinf the many"
sammy sweetie, what does the word democracy mean in the Holy Khalsa
dictionary ?
> or "an integral part of" means
> "suppressed by."
sure, sammy sweetie, isn't it a drag to have to invent your own dictioary
like this.
> Stop butchering the English language!
ouch, that hurt. Speaking of butcher, did you fighting fighters remember how
many Muslims you gently send to heaven during the days of Partition ?
...
>
> The civilized world has other means to solve its conflicts than making war ofr
> every whim...are you a part of that?
hahaha. we salute the civilized world where highly civilized Khalistani
freedom fighters use second-hand Pakistani water pistols to make their point.
>
> > Prior to 1699, exactly what part of Punjab was under Sikh independence ?
>
> You did not answer the question.
and you even yet to begin to think of yours.
>
> > Ever wonder how it will be like to be in those bad old days of independent
> > kingdoms, happily fighting each other over water, land, gold,
> > self-determination, higher principles ?
>
> Lets not be so petty as to put self-determination in the same category as
> fighitng for gold or land.
Ever been to a good old non-petty discussion at a gurdwara discussing the
greater religious significance of sitting on a chair as opposed to sitting on
the floor ?
> In the late eigthies and ninties, movements for
> self-determination have flowered across the world...
tut, tut, tut, only 2 decades of flowers ?
> hegemonical regimes that
> oppressed various nationalities have fallen on their faces,
are you waiting for something ? I hope not.
> suppressed
> minorities are asserting thier rights once again,
sure, sammy, whatever you say.
> and a mighty empire like the
> USSR (to the surprise of most political experts)
not to mention the surprise of all people holy.
> has collapsed in our times.
> How long can impotent old farting reactionaries hope to suppress the Sikhs?
as long as highly potent young 100% fart-retaining revolutionries hope to
free the Supressed Sikhs by asking for the World's kind indulgence.
Subir De.
>
> Shamyl
gan...@my-dejanews.com
> Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> > > 6. Prior to the arrival of the British, under what regime
> > > and when were
> > > Punjab, Andhra Pradesh and Mizoram in the same
> > > nation/empire/entity?
> >
> > All three of the areas mentioned?
>
Right! "Sikhs" arrived in 1699 on Punjab di Dharti from the Sun on
SurajMahaUdanKhatola.
Which Udankhotala did post-12th century Ghori's "Hindus" arrive on:
HinduGhoriMahaPathanaUdanKhatola?
Fact is Punjab and rest of Sakasthan were independent and
separate of Gangasthan, Tamilsthan and Banglasthan over
+90% of its verifiable 4000 year history. Therefore, it
pursued its own distinct and separate ethnic, cultural,
linguitic, ethnic and national evolution.
Post 19th century Brahmanist ONE NATION imperialists of the
former pre-1956 United Provinces (UP) are always denying basic facts
and historical reality and replacing it with the fraud and lunacy
of their sacred "GowhMata" giving birth to holy "BharatMata".
This is more properly called "Organic Brahmanical History".
Then, some Sakas like Jats emerge from "Shiva's hair"
(Shiva's juhans!).
> > Ever wonder why all these groups take up arms and no one takes up arms in
> > Japan or Denmark? Could it be that "India" is an artificial union?
>
> Ever wonder how it will be like to be in those bad old days of independent
> kingdoms, happily fighting each other over water, land, gold,
Sure beats fighting for Kirar morsels in BharatPlunderCowMata!
> self-determination, higher principles ? Don't worry, PP, soon India will be
> divided back to the thousands of small but freee and democratik states that
> will live together in great peace and harmoneee.
>
> Subir De.
Fact is that the Casteocracy's Hindian army/paramilitary has killed more
"Indians" than Chinese or Pakistani soldiers in 4 wars. The post-1947
Brahmanist Empire was hijacked by the 7% supremacist and imperialistic
Brahmanists from the British with promise and betray trickery of Sakas and
other nationalities. The plunder cow is held togethor with by the army,
police, "encounters", TADA, NSA, torture, rule of the gun, Brahmanist
brainwashing, historical fraud and Brahmanist monoploy over political system,
major political parties and the government.
The true nature of the genocidal regime can be gauged from the fact that
+ "300,000" uniformed terrorists were sent to Punjab (pop. 20m) to chase
"300 militants", killing over "105,000 Sikhs" between 1983-93
(US State Department figure).
Meanwhile, the less tyrannical and murderous British Empire ruled all of
southasia (avg. pop. 300 million) with an army of less than 250,000 men. The
British imperialists at least had "rule of law" and gave their "traitors" a
trial unlike the Kirar imperialist regime which goes and wipes out the men of
entire villages in fraud "encounters" - Stalinist style!
Under the present Casteocracy, Kirar independence heros - Gandhi and Nehru -
would have been tortured, re-stiched and disposed-off in some river on
day ONE of their SatyaGraha! Next day, state-run DoordarshanPravda
and Kirar press would have reported "Two terrorists killed in encounter
at Bombay beach. RDX exposives and 2 AK47s recovered."
Given the choice between Kirar Raj and Angrez Raj, Sikhs would
gladly choose the latter.
After 50 years of Brahmanist plunder, misrule, pillaging and mayhem,
BharatGowhMata (which resembles the biggest open sewer in the
universe) and British "colonial" Hong Kong dont even figure on the
same planet!
Gandasa
Punjabi Putt
questions. I am forever greatful to you and my beloved BharatMata.
In article <7et4mi$s26$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > 1. Is there a common "Indian identity" that is shared by all the peoples who
> > live in "India"?
>
> The same kind of identity that enable us, "Indians", to conspire to enslave
> the suffering Saka peoples. That is, unless you believe in an enemy that has
> no identity.
>
> >
> > 2. If so, what is it based on? On a common (single) culture, history, or
> > language?
>
> our common hatred for all things Saka ?
>
> >
> > 3. Why are Assam and Amritsar in the same country while Amritsar and Wagah,
> > which have a lot more in common with each other, are in different countries?
>
> The same reason why Sakashtan streaches all the way from Kashmir to Sind, PP.
>
> >
> > 4. Why haven't the butchers of Kashmiris, Sikhs, Assamese, Nagas, Dalits,
etc.
> > been punished yet?
>
> The same reason why all the butchers since the past 2000 odd years have gone
> on to become natinal heroes.
>
> >
> > 5. Why has 75% of Punjab's riparian water been diverted (euphemism for
stolen)
> > and given to other states?
>
> 75% too much ? No problemo, exactly how much water is Punjab willing to share
> with the other states ?
>
> >
> > 6. Prior to the arrival of the British, under what regime and when were
> > Punjab, Andhra Pradesh and Mizoram in the same nation/empire/entity?
>
> Prior to the arrival of the Great Gurus, under what regime and were the
> states of Muslim Afghanistan, Kashmir, Rajasthan, Sind under the same
> nation/Empire/Entity/Saka ?
>
> >
> > 7. Why has state-sponsored violence occured only against communities that do
> > not conform to a hegemonic strain of Hinduism? (Examples: Christian Nagas,
> > Sikh Punjabis, Muslim Kashmiris, tribals).
>
> Try not to answer your own first question with your 7th question. If you
> accept hegemony of Hindoooos, then don't turn around and pretend to ask if it
> there is such a thing as common bonds of Hindooooos.
>
> >
> > 8. Why does 7% of the population hold 95% of the top government posts?
>
> of course, the old completely soilid 7%OC figure resurfaces like an
> irrepressable monumental joke. Don't worry, our Saka researcher, Gurupurudesh
> has done remarkable investigation to give a sakisfactory answer.
>
> >
> > 9. Why is Hindi used as the national language when only 30% of "India"
speaks
> > it as a mother tongue (even this figure is manipulated include Paharis and
> > tribals)?
>
> Perhaps another language with 10% commonality would be more suitable.
>
> >
> > 10. Why were 300,000 troops sent to Punjab to catch "300 militants"? (This
> > means a ratio of 1000 men sent for each militant).
>
> Because it takes only 300 brave freedom fighters to take out 300,000 cowardly
> "Indians".
>
> >
> > 11. Why are 200m Dalits still treated like dogs?
>
> You know, in India, the bonded labor translate into treatment far worse than
> how man treats animals.
>
> >
> > 12. What are the "myriad threads" that hold "India" together?
>
> That is easy, the single thread that hold "India" together is our devotion to
> the oppresion of the SAKA peoples of the world.
>
> Subir De.
>
> PS. I do love responding to trolling questionnaires.
--Punjabi Putt
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Punjabi Putt
subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> It is just as unlikely that Putt and rest of the crew are even going to
> acknowledge that criminal elements were and are part of the great freedom
> movement.
I already have. You should know what the hell you are talking about rather
than sharing your ignorance with everyone.
> > > If the state of Punjab wants to be part of India, then it must learn to
It doesn't.
> > Sort of like how 'encounter'
> > means the death of innocent Sikhs,
>
> It also meant the deaths of a significant number of your criminal types who
> carried guns under cover of night.
Yes, but it doesn't change the fact that many innocent people died (both Hindu
and Sikh).
> sure, sammy sweetie, isn't it a drag to have to invent your own dictioary
> like this.
It must be for "Indians" who create circular definitions to further their
fascist and imperialistic goals.
> hahaha. we salute the civilized world where highly civilized Khalistani
> freedom fighters use second-hand Pakistani water pistols to make their point.
Is your army that pathetic that you need to send 300,000 soldiers to capture
people who "use second-hand Pakistani water pistols"?
> > hegemonical regimes that
> > oppressed various nationalities have fallen on their faces,
>
> are you waiting for something ? I hope not.
Only a matter of time...your "India" will collapse under its own weight. It
should have in 1991 - don't know why Manmohan Singh had to save it.
> > suppressed
> > minorities are asserting thier rights once again,
>
> sure, sammy, whatever you say.
Look at a world map you ignoramus.
> > has collapsed in our times.
> > How long can impotent old farting reactionaries hope to suppress the Sikhs?
>
> as long as highly potent young 100% fart-retaining revolutionries hope to
> free the Supressed Sikhs by asking for the World's kind indulgence.
So supressed people shouldn't be helped out?
Nitin Paul Batra
Gandasa-
My best friend is a Gujarati Brahmin, and I know for certain that he does
not dislike or disrespect Kushans or Sakas in any way, shape, or form.
Nitin Batra
gan...@my-dejanews.com
Another Kirar high on holy Brahmin drink - MOOTA!
It is fine to fantasize about sacred Brahmin "GowhMata" giving
birth to holy "BharatGowhMaha" during a "medicinal" dasyafudic
moota-drinking and anema ceremony, but lets come back to . . .
. . . reality . . . just for a few seconds!
Please give name/date of a single Kirar (Bahman/Bania) dynasty in
historically and geographically separate Sakasthan (+90% of 4000 yrs).
We can then discuss the Bhiya Brahmanoid historical/political
CLAIM on Sakasthan (including Punjab).
When was the last time you read the plagerized/dasuized post-11th
century gangu version of OUR original Punjabi Mahabharta!
Have you leafed over to the page with the sacred "HINDU" LAW:
"No Brahmin shalt go to Vahika-desa".
Gandasa
PS. While you swing through this, try to keep the monkey hormones
under rap.
gan...@my-dejanews.com
> Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> > Here are some things I, and many others, are curious about. Hopefully
someone
> > will be able to answer them.
>
> Hear some answers that you and millions of Sakas, dying to find out.
> Hopelesslly, some kind sage will be able to drill them into your collective
> nuts:
>
> >
> > live in "India"?
>
> The same kind of identity that enable us, "Indians", to conspire to enslave
> the suffering Saka peoples. That is, unless you believe in an enemy that has
> no identity.
>
> >
> > 2. If so, what is it based on? On a common (single) culture, history, or
> > language?
>
> our common hatred for all things Saka ?
Why do Brahmins of Gangaland hate the noble Sakas and the great
Saka rulers and dynasties such as Satraps, Kushanas, Jauvalas,
Virkas, . . . Jaipala, . . . Lahore, Bhartapur, Patiala, Dohlpur,
Rajputanna, Gujarat. Why ? Why?
Even after so much free roti and daal Sakas gave to Brahmin immigrants
of Malabar, they still hate the noble and generous Sakas.
Why?
Did Sakas forget to put salt in the daal?
>
> >
> > 3. Why are Assam and Amritsar in the same country while Amritsar and Wagah,
> > which have a lot more in common with each other, are in different countries?
>
> The same reason why Sakashtan streaches all the way from Kashmir to Sind, PP.
But we all Sakas have the same/similar dress, customs, kinship patterns,
ethnicity, shared history, cultural roots and geographical proximity!
>
> >
> > 4. Why haven't the butchers of Kashmiris, Sikhs, Assamese, Nagas, Dalits,
etc.
> > been punished yet?
>
> The same reason why all the butchers since the past 2000 odd years have gone
> on to become natinal heroes.
Kirar "heros" like Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Bhagat, Tytler, Rao, Robeiro, . . . ?
>
> >
> > 5. Why has 75% of Punjab's riparian water been diverted (euphemism for
stolen)
> > and given to other states?
>
> 75% too much ? No problemo, exactly how much water is Punjab willing to share
> with the other states ?
Sakas in Rajasthan/Haryana/Punjab only want to share Ganga-jal with
out Bhiya Brothers.
>
> >
> > 6. Prior to the arrival of the British, under what regime and when were
> > Punjab, Andhra Pradesh and Mizoram in the same nation/empire/entity?
>
> Prior to the arrival of the Great Gurus, under what regime and were the
> states of Muslim Afghanistan, Kashmir, Rajasthan, Sind under the same
> nation/Empire/Entity/Saka ?
Satraps and Kushanas ! Or are these Sakas also kept out of
BharatGowhMata's gand in Brahmanoid historical fantasy.
Now give names of Brahmanoid dynasties from gangaland uniting
Afghanistan, Rajasthan, Sind and Gangasthan, Tamilsthan and Banglasthan!
Although after the Dharan Jartas, Tibetans ruled in Gangetic valley.
>
> >
> > 7. Why has state-sponsored violence occured only against communities that do
> > not conform to a hegemonic strain of Hinduism? (Examples: Christian Nagas,
> > Sikh Punjabis, Muslim Kashmiris, tribals).
>
> Try not to answer your own first question with your 7th question. If you
> accept hegemony of Hindoooos, then don't turn around and pretend to ask if it
> there is such a thing as common bonds of Hindooooos.
Your mean Ghori's "Hindu" shell game perfected to the biggest fraud
by supremacist Brahmanists in the 20th century!
>
> >
> > 8. Why does 7% of the population hold 95% of the top government posts?
>
> of course, the old completely soilid 7%OC figure resurfaces like an
> irrepressable monumental joke. Don't worry, our Saka researcher, Gurupurudesh
> has done remarkable investigation to give a sakisfactory answer.
You havent answered why the 7% Brahmanists (1941 census numbers for
Brahmin/Bania community) have +95% of the top jobs in govt!
Meanwhile, they did not rule/run a single Rajdhani in southasia
prior to 19th century before British invented their "India empire".
>
> >
> > 9. Why is Hindi used as the national language when only 30% of "India"
speaks
> > it as a mother tongue (even this figure is manipulated include Paharis and
> > tribals)?
>
> Perhaps another language with 10% commonality would be more suitable.
I say Punjabi - the only direct and authentic culture/language of
Saptha Sindhva! Since Bhiyas fantasize that their genes
are from Punjab, it is the only rational choice.
Think about it!
>
> >
> > 10. Why were 300,000 troops sent to Punjab to catch "300 militants"? (This
> > means a ratio of 1000 men sent for each militant).
>
> Because it takes only 300 brave freedom fighters to take out 300,000 cowardly
> "Indians".
Now you stumped me here. Have a another holy drink!
>
> >
> > 11. Why are 200m Dalits still treated like dogs?
>
> You know, in India, the bonded labor translate into treatment far worse than
> how man treats animals.
>
> >
> > 12. What are the "myriad threads" that hold "India" together?
>
> That is easy, the single thread that hold "India" together is our devotion to
> the oppresion of the SAKA peoples of the world.
>
> Subir De.
>
> PS. I do love responding to trolling questionnaires.
I bet you also enjoy swinging through trees!
Ganadasa
Mathura Saka Inscription: "Sarvasa Sakasthana Puyae".
Raghu Seshadri
: Gandasa-
:
: My best friend is a Gujarati Brahmin, and I know for certain that he does
: not dislike or disrespect Kushans or Sakas in any way, shape, or form.
What about the other pre-historic tribes ?
What is your friend's stand on Pulingas, Chetis, Satavahanas,
Madris, Vyoodhas, Matsyas, etc ?
How does he feel about Elamites, Hittites,
Babylonians, Etruscans ?
Tell me honestly, how does he really feel about
Midians, Parthians, Gauls, Vikings, apaches,
sioux and hottentots ?
I find it suspicious that your friend would have
a definite stand on only 2 ancient tribes while being
noncommittal about the rest. What gives ?
RS
krish...@my-dejanews.com
gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Why do Brahmins of Gangaland hate the noble Sakas and the great
> Saka rulers and dynasties such as Satraps, Kushanas, Jauvalas,
> Virkas, . . . Jaipala, . . . Lahore, Bhartapur, Patiala, Dohlpur,
> Rajputanna, Gujarat. Why ? Why?
>
> Even after so much free roti and daal Sakas gave to Brahmin immigrants
> of Malabar, they still hate the noble and generous Sakas.
>
> Why?
Such a hatred is possible only if every one among 'Brahmins of Gangaland'
is doing M.A in History. Please be clear about whom you are referring to
in the present day context as Satraps, Kushans etc.
Krishna V. M
Punjabi Putt
some "myriad threads"! Who gives a rat's ass if they don't have anything in
common...we can impose Hindi on them and at the same time attempt to distort
and wipe out their own history and sense of identity :)
In article <7eu7cv$d...@darkstar.ucsc.edu>,
sesh...@cse.ucsc.edu (Raghu Seshadri) wrote:
> What about the other pre-historic tribes ?
>
> What is your friend's stand on Pulingas, Chetis, Satavahanas,
> Madris, Vyoodhas, Matsyas, etc ?
>
> How does he feel about Elamites, Hittites,
> Babylonians, Etruscans ?
>
> Tell me honestly, how does he really feel about
> Midians, Parthians, Gauls, Vikings, apaches,
> sioux and hottentots ?
--Punjabi Putt
Punjabi Putt
gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> moota-drinking and anema ceremony, but lets come back to . . .
> . . . reality . . . just for a few seconds!
This could be psychologically devastating. Many "Indians" will surely feel
depressed as soon as they find out that Delhi is not the centre of the world,
that "India" is one large toilet, and the song "Sare jahaan se acchaa..." is
nothing but a big hoax.
In the meantime, they can be happy living in their dream world of "secular
democracy" and "progress" while god knows how many tribals, dalits, Kashmiris
and Sikhs get slaughtered every day by their Gestapo.
subi...@my-dejanews.com
gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
...great Saka research deleted ..
> Given the choice between Kirar Raj and Angrez Raj, Sikhs would
> gladly choose the latter.
Why, Gandasa, that was so sweet of you to regurgitate all the Saka facts from
times of yore.
>
> After 50 years of Brahmanist plunder, misrule, pillaging and mayhem,
> BharatGowhMata (which resembles the biggest open sewer in the
> universe) and British "colonial" Hong Kong dont even figure on the
> same planet!
hahaha, 'tis moments like this that make me really feel nostalgic for Bharat
Mata.
Subir De.
>
> Gandasa
PS. Sorry, Gandasa, I did not have the time to read your well researched and
balanced history lesson. Next time, I promise, Bahman promise, hehehehe.
subi...@my-dejanews.com
Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> In article <7eto0t$dnu$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > acknowledge that criminal elements were and are part of the great freedom
> > movement.
>
> I already have. You should know what the hell you are talking about rather
> than sharing your ignorance with everyone.
You should know that reports of Indian Government troops rape, torture and
murder are well published throughout Indian media but you choose to share
your charming fantasies with us.
>
> > > > If the state of Punjab wants to be part of India, then it must learn to
>
> It doesn't.
Well, bully, for you.
>
> > > Sort of like how 'encounter'
> > > means the death of innocent Sikhs,
> >
> > It also meant the deaths of a significant number of your criminal types who
> > carried guns under cover of night.
>
> Yes, but it doesn't change the fact that many innocent people died (both Hindu
> and Sikh).
Well, this does not change the fact that the last time around you must have
forgotten to mention Hindu victims. For all intents and purposes your little
tirade was based exclusively on Sikh victimization by Hindus.
>
> > sure, sammy sweetie, isn't it a drag to have to invent your own dictioary
> > like this.
>
> It must be for "Indians" who create circular definitions to further their
> fascist and imperialistic goals.
Now that is really funny to see fighting Saka/Sikhs who are the only people
in the world to invent singular definitions and who have never conquered
other people in all their glorious histories.
>
> > hahaha. we salute the civilized world where highly civilized Khalistani
> > freedom fighters use second-hand Pakistani water pistols to make their point.
>
> Is your army that pathetic that you need to send 300,000 soldiers to capture
> people who "use second-hand Pakistani water pistols"?
Yes, hahaha. So you have a problem with that ?
>
> > > hegemonical regimes that
> > > oppressed various nationalities have fallen on their faces,
> >
> > are you waiting for something ? I hope not.
>
> Only a matter of time...your "India" will collapse under its own weight.
Hey, if you are willing to wait for us, we are flattered.
> It
> should have in 1991 - don't know why Manmohan Singh had to save it.
sorry, about dashing your hopes, we will try to do better next time.
>
> > > suppressed
> > > minorities are asserting thier rights once again,
> >
> > sure, sammy, whatever you say.
>
> Look at a world map you ignoramus.
hahaha, we still see the fantasy that is India the last time we looked,
sweetie.
>
> So supressed people shouldn't be helped out?
So what exactly are you doing to help them out, Putt man ? Don't let us
guess, you are fighting it our on sci ..
Subir De.
>
> --Punjabi Putt
subi...@my-dejanews.com
have the time/brains to fooly appreciate the higher truths that lay well
hidden in them layers of lathered latitude.
Subir De.
In article <7eu39n$noj$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
... deleted ..
>
> Gandasa
>
> PS. While you swing through this, try to keep the monkey hormones
> under rap.
tut, tut, tut, it is a jungle out here and if you can't stand the animals,
perhaps you should move to the suburbs, sweetie ....
subi...@my-dejanews.com
chakr...@iname.com wrote:
>
>
> subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > In article <7eirdh$ndq$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> > > Here are some things I, and many others, are curious about. Hopefully someone
> > > will be able to answer them.
> >
> > Hear some answers that you and millions of Sakas, dying to find out.
> > Hopelesslly, some kind sage will be able to drill them into your collective
> > nuts:
>
> the "head" as I assume you meant in the above reference but to the swinging boys in
> the nether regions. It took a while for my desi references to kick in and make sense
> of your rejoinder.
Yes, Abc, nuts in our deshi context does refer to hairy coconuts that in turn
reflect the receptacle of our Indian intellect. While in US context nuts
means, ahem, the the more fun aspects of male life.
Actually, there should be more discussion on the more fun aspects of Indian
life. And Meera S. was such a wonderful catalyst when she was here.
Subir De.
>
> Abc
Punjabi Putt
subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> You should know that reports of Indian Government troops rape, torture and
> murder are well published throughout Indian media but you choose to share
> your charming fantasies with us.
Then why are books like "Soft Target" and "Government Organised Carnage"
banned in your holy ancient BharatGowhMata?
> Well, this does not change the fact that the last time around you must have
> forgotten to mention Hindu victims. For all intents and purposes your little
> tirade was based exclusively on Sikh victimization by Hindus.
I've mentioned many times that innocent Hindus were killed, and I still stand
by that statement. The killers of innocent Hindus in Punjab (i.e. the
terrorists) have already been punished, but the killers of innocent Sikhs
(Sajjan Kumar, KPS Gill...) walk around Scot-free. Justice should be
unbiased, but it isn't in your beloved "India".
> Now that is really funny to see fighting Saka/Sikhs who are the only people
> in the world to invent singular definitions and who have never conquered
> other people in all their glorious histories.
What the hell does that have to do with it? Some groups have been oppressed
more than others - according to you those groups (Native Americans, Tartars,
Scots, Tibetans, blacks in America) have no rights. What a load of fascist
bullshit.
> > Only a matter of time...your "India" will collapse under its own weight.
>
> Hey, if you are willing to wait for us, we are flattered.
And I am equally impressed by the shit piling up on the streets of your
glorious capital. Not to mention the swelling slums, soaring crime rate...
> > It
> > should have in 1991 - don't know why Manmohan Singh had to save it.
>
> sorry, about dashing your hopes, we will try to do better next time.
You still can't face the fact that BharatMata was on the brink of economic
collapse till Mr. Singh had to come along and rescue it.
> > Look at a world map you ignoramus.
>
> hahaha, we still see the fantasy that is India the last time we looked,
> sweetie.
The clock is ticking, and even though you close your eyes, reality will hit
you one day.
> So what exactly are you doing to help them out, Putt man ? Don't let us
> guess, you are fighting it our on sci ..
And what the hell are you doing posting Bharatiya fascist venom on the net? Is
that supposed to help?
--Punjabi Putt
Punjabi Putt
> Under the present Casteocracy, Kirar independence heros - Gandhi and Nehru -
> would have been tortured, re-stiched and disposed-off in some river on
> day ONE of their SatyaGraha! Next day, state-run DoordarshanPravda
> and Kirar press would have reported "Two terrorists killed in encounter
> at Bombay beach. RDX exposives and 2 AK47s recovered."
"Indians" should be very grateful that the British were so civilised. They
let leaders like Gandhi and Nehru live...any other regime (Japanese, Nazis,
Soviets) would have tortured Gandhi to death and made a public spectacle of
the "independence" movement.
> After 50 years of Brahmanist plunder, misrule, pillaging and mayhem,
> BharatGowhMata (which resembles the biggest open sewer in the
> universe) and British "colonial" Hong Kong dont even figure on the
> same planet!
Yes, but the "Indians" will continue to blame the "colonial legacy" for their
ills, claiming how BharatMata was a rich "sone-ki-chiree" (a glorious paradise
where dalits and others enjoyed a high standard of living) until those British
thieves came and built railroads, canals, a legal system, postal system and
communications.
Punjabi Putt
sha...@my-dejanews.com
>
> > Thank you for being open about your intentions to join the ranks of
> > fundamentalist Iran, Saudi Arabia, and medevial Europe. The world is moving
> > towards the 21st century, but crackpots like yourself are living in the
15th.
>
> Crackputts like me are in completely in agreement that a religion and
> politiks are inseperable - exactly what the Khalsa brotherhood is all about.
You still haven't given me a coherent reason for the establishment of
theocracy.
> > Its unlikely that Mo or the rest of your contrymen are going to acknowledge
> > this...but keep on trying.
>
> It is just as unlikely that Putt and rest of the crew are even going to
> acknowledge that criminal elements were and are part of the great freedom
> movement.
Can you specify which criminal elements? Who and where? What their specific
crimes were? Were these criminal elements similar to the ones who
occasionally occupy a place in your government and set policies, such as PVN
Rao, Sajjan Kumar, HKL Bhagat?
> > The word "share" here means "allow to be stolen"
>
> sammy baby, as long as Pubjab state is part of India, there can be no such
> thing as stealing water. If you don't like it, get a gun and fight for your
> independence.
Subbby ji, when you grow (evolve) out of your state as a bandar who believes
in the sanctity of the corrupt Indian State and learn that most of the
beliefs you have held all your life are simple rubbish (but you never had the
strenght to face that fact) you will also realize that the State does not
have the right to dispose of the natural resources on its whims, with little
consideration for th epeople involved...this was what the American Revolution
was about (something of great) the significance which you or your lund
sucking bapu Gandhi cannot comprehend. History shows that the State suffers
when it attempts to steal so openly, especially in the way you are
advocating. Brute force (something you are ot opposed to, as is evident from
your desire to go to war) against peoples usually backfires, as in the case
of the USSR. Don't be an idiot and learn something from history.
>
> > Sort of like how 'encounter'
> > means the death of innocent Sikhs,
>
> It also meant the deaths of a significant number of your criminal types who
> carried guns under cover of night.
So there were at least 40,000 'criminal types' in Punjab during beant Singh's
rule? Does this also include Jaswant Singh Khalra? And the 25,000 'criminal
types' on his list?
"During the last couple of years the word 'extremist' has been continually
and arbitrarily used by the press and politicians to describe the hundreds of
peope in Punjab who have fallen foul of the Army and Police. In the course
of our stay in Punjab we met and heard of many of these so-called
'extremists' -women like Satwant Kaur of Harchowal (P) whose husband had been
killed and who only asked that she be spared constant humiliation at the
hands of police, men like Sohan Singh whose eyes were gouged out and his body
reduced to pulp because he said he was a religious Sikh; or Suba Singh who
was killed simply because he had witnessed the torture of another human
being..." Oppression in Punjab, Citizens for Democracy
> > or "Delhi riots mean "organized pogrom"
>
> This cannot be denied and as such has been well documented in the Indian
> media as such.
>
But nothing has been done...another fine example of selective justice.
>
> > or "an integral part of" means
> > "suppressed by."
>
> sure, sammy sweetie, isn't it a drag to have to invent your own dictioary
> like this.
Your Propaganda Ministry should know the answer to that.
>
> > Stop butchering the English language!
>
> ouch, that hurt. Speaking of butcher, did you fighting fighters remember how
> many Muslims you gently send to heaven during the days of Partition ?
This has nothing to do with the issue we are discussing.
> >
> > The civilized world has other means to solve its conflicts than making war
ofr
> > every whim...are you a part of that?
>
> hahaha. we salute the civilized world where highly civilized Khalistani
> freedom fighters use second-hand Pakistani water pistols to make their point.
Yes, and it took over 100,000 of your army to capture a few water-pistol
toting men...how can Bharat Mata ever be a superpower?
> > Lets not be so petty as to put self-determination in the same category as
> > fighitng for gold or land.
>
> Ever been to a good old non-petty discussion at a gurdwara discussing the
> greater religious significance of sitting on a chair as opposed to sitting on
> the floor ?
This is irrelevant gibberish.
Shamyl
subi...@my-dejanews.com
> Why do Brahmins of Gangaland hate the noble Sakas and the great
> Saka rulers and dynasties such as Satraps, Kushanas, Jauvalas,
> Virkas, . . . Jaipala, . . . Lahore, Bhartapur, Patiala, Dohlpur,
> Rajputanna, Gujarat. Why ? Why?
cos you r so noble, kind, gentle, generous, tall, fare, bootyfool, radiant in
phase ?
>
> Even after so much free roti and daal Sakas gave to Brahmin immigrants
> of Malabar, they still hate the noble and generous Sakas.
man, I loved those free roti'n'dal stall you Sakas used to set up in those
good old days. Now who said that there was nothing for free ?
>
> Why?
>
> Did Sakas forget to put salt in the daal?
heheha, a real knee slapper, Sakas must have forgotten that we Bahman/Koraars
live near the sea and make our salt.
> > The same reason why Sakashtan streaches all the way from Kashmir to Sind, PP.
>
> But we all Sakas have the same/similar dress, customs, kinship patterns,
> ethnicity, shared history, cultural roots and geographical proximity!
hahahaha A Saka Kashmiri, a Saka Jat, A Saka Putt, a Saka Sindhi, a Saka
Afghani all share an ethnicity, language, custom, dress, underwear ? truly a
earth Sakaring factoid.
>
> Kirar "heros" like Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Bhagat, Tytler, Rao, Robeiro, . . . ?
heheha, truly an awesome inspired insight.
>
> Sakas in Rajasthan/Haryana/Punjab only want to share Ganga-jal with
> out Bhiya Brothers.
huh ? another rajput/haryanvi/Sikh loving, sharing brotherhood against the 7%
conspirasy ? man, this Saka giant is killing us...
> Now give names of Brahmanoid dynasties from gangaland uniting
> Afghanistan, Rajasthan, Sind and Gangasthan, Tamilsthan and Banglasthan!
hahaha, give me names, give me addressess, give him telephone numbers,
someone, please pass him a buck for this wonderful moment...
>
>
> I say Punjabi - the only direct and authentic culture/language of
> Saptha Sindhva! Since Bhiyas fantasize that their genes
> are from Punjab, it is the only rational choice.
>
> Think about it!
too late, the only thinker here is you, my Saka man.
>
> >
> > >
> > > 10. Why were 300,000 troops sent to Punjab to catch "300 militants"? (This
> > > means a ratio of 1000 men sent for each militant).
> >
> > Because it takes only 300 brave freedom fighters to take out 300,000 cowardly
> > "Indians".
>
> Now you stumped me here. Have a another holy drink!
hahaha, our Saka man pauses here to think of drink as honly he can ....
> > Subir De.
> >
> > PS. I do love responding to trolling questionnaires.
>
> I bet you also enjoy swinging through trees!
As we bet you enjoy gently Sakaing through the sakies ...
Subir De.
>
> Ganadasa
>
> Mathura Saka Inscription: "Sarvasa Sakasthana Puyae".
Recent Saka posting on sci, "I am a giant Saka, why do people bother me ?"
subi...@my-dejanews.com
Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> In article <7evg25$sri$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > You should know that reports of Indian Government troops rape, torture and
> > murder are well published throughout Indian media but you choose to share
> > your charming fantasies with us.
>
> Then why are books like "Soft Target" and "Government Organised Carnage"
> banned in your holy ancient BharatGowhMata?
Only after you explain how open and democratic gurdwaras all over the world
have been taken over by Khalistani elements who threaten dire consequences to
any 'traitors'.
>
> > Well, this does not change the fact that the last time around you must have
> > forgotten to mention Hindu victims. For all intents and purposes your little
> > tirade was based exclusively on Sikh victimization by Hindus.
>
> I've mentioned many times that innocent Hindus were killed, and I still stand
> by that statement. The killers of innocent Hindus in Punjab (i.e. the
> terrorists) have already been punished,
And this is your assertion that all killers of Hindus and Sikh civilians by
terrorists have been caught and shot ? not bad for a bald assertion.
> but the killers of innocent Sikhs
> (Sajjan Kumar, KPS Gill...) walk around Scot-free. Justice should be
> unbiased, but it isn't in your beloved "India".
Justice should be unbiased in your own beloved eyes of freedom fighting Sikhs
who tried, convicted and sentenced numerous civilians to death in absentia.
>
> > Now that is really funny to see fighting Saka/Sikhs who are the only people
> > in the world to invent singular definitions and who have never conquered
> > other people in all their glorious histories.
>
> What the hell does that have to do with it? Some groups have been oppressed
> more than others - according to you those groups (Native Americans, Tartars,
> Scots, Tibetans, blacks in America) have no rights. What a load of fascist
> bullshit.
Sure, Putt man. As you say, there are degree of oppresion. And no mention of
the oppression of the Sikh rule over Rajasthan, Afghanisthan and Kashmir,
only glorious odes to the happy Sikh kingdom.
>
> > > Only a matter of time...your "India" will collapse under its own weight.
> >
> > Hey, if you are willing to wait for us, we are flattered.
>
> And I am equally impressed by the shit piling up on the streets of your
> glorious capital. Not to mention the swelling slums, soaring crime rate...
Hey, wanna be impressed, be my guest, be happily impressed.
>
> > > It
> > > should have in 1991 - don't know why Manmohan Singh had to save it.
> >
> > sorry, about dashing your hopes, we will try to do better next time.
>
> You still can't face the fact that BharatMata was on the brink of economic
> collapse till Mr. Singh had to come along and rescue it.
As you can't quite face the fact that the miracle you expected did not occur
on 1991.
>
> > > Look at a world map you ignoramus.
> >
> > hahaha, we still see the fantasy that is India the last time we looked,
> > sweetie.
>
> The clock is ticking, and even though you close your eyes, reality will hit
> you one day.
You keep track of the ticks, please do feel hurt if we continue with our own
problems.
>
> > So what exactly are you doing to help them out, Putt man ? Don't let us
> > guess, you are fighting it our on sci ..
>
> And what the hell are you doing posting Bharatiya fascist venom on the net?
Call this venom ? Puttman, take a chill putt. this is life as usual in sci.
> Is
> that supposed to help?
I suppose you consider yourself the greatest help on sci ? Pity we can't
afford ya.
Subir De.
>
> --Punjabi Putt
sha...@my-dejanews.com
> Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> > In article <7eto0t$dnu$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> You should know that reports of Indian Government troops rape, torture and
> murder are well published throughout Indian media
Cany you specifically tell me which reports and by whom these were published?
With little regard for freedom of the press, the corrupt Machiavellian regime
of India has banned reports like Government Organized Carnage and Oppression
in Punjab.
but you choose to share
> your charming fantasies with us.
>
These are hardly fantasies, they are well-documented by Human Rights
organizations and even the US state department has taken note of them. Only
knaves like yourself, with little mental capacity or the integrity to face
the facts are in denial.
>
> Well, this does not change the fact that the last time around you must have
> forgotten to mention Hindu victims. For all intents and purposes your little
> tirade was based exclusively on Sikh victimization by Hindus.
The overwhelming number of victims since 1984 have been Sikhs (over 100,000
Sikhs killed; the actual figure is probably between 150,000 and 250,000.)_
Try to answer these questions (with an answer from your mind, not you anus
this time.) Why were over 38 gurudwaras attacked during Bluestar? If the
govt. wanted to capture 40 criminals (18 in Pakistani jails, US or Canada,
and the remainder 22 not found in the Golden Temple) why did it attack during
a holy day? Did it not know that innocent pilgrims would be caught in the
crossfire? (The number of pilgrims killed falls between 5,000 to 9,000; most
were killed with hands tied behind their back) What happened to the 40
criminals? Why were none found?
> > It must be for "Indians" who create circular definitions to further their
> > fascist and imperialistic goals.
>
> Now that is really funny to see fighting Saka/Sikhs who are the only people
> in the world to invent singular definitions and who have never conquered
> other people in all their glorious histories.
You are ignoring the point that most definitions of Indian given so far have
been circular...no serious definition has been given on the net.
Shamyl
subi...@my-dejanews.com
sha...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7eto0t$dnu$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
sweet sammy, as soob as you tire of speaking with bandars, anything is
possible
> and learn that most of the
> beliefs you have held all your life are simple rubbish (but you never had the
> strenght to face that fact)
hehaha, and you are hear to say that all the simple things you have learnt
are the most wonderous in grace.
> you will also realize that the State does not
> have the right to dispose of the natural resources on its whims, with little
> consideration for th epeople involved...
yeah, as you have the right to use cut'n'paste technoolgy to dress your
charming little homilies about the 'State'.
> this was what the American Revolution
> was about (something of great) the significance which you or your lund
> sucking bapu Gandhi cannot comprehend.
tut, tut, tut, my little sammy learns new words his parents would be proud
of..apart from his significant lessons on the American revolution
> History shows that the State suffers
> when it attempts to steal so openly, especially in the way you are
> advocating.
History this, history that, another historian waiting patiently for history
to take action.
> Brute force (something you are ot opposed to, as is evident from
> your desire to go to war) against peoples usually backfires, as in the case
> of the USSR. Don't be an idiot and learn something from history.
Sweetie, do you think that the great Sikh warriors used sweet, peaceful
persuasion to invade and conquer the lands of Rajasthan, Afghanisthan and
Kashmir ? I would be an idiot to learn history from you.
>
> >
> > > Sort of like how 'encounter'
> > > means the death of innocent Sikhs,
> >
> > It also meant the deaths of a significant number of your criminal types who
> > carried guns under cover of night.
>
> So there were at least 40,000 'criminal types' in Punjab during beant Singh's
> rule?
man, you must be a trained fabricator of 'so you must have said this, so you
musta said thate'...
> Does this also include Jaswant Singh Khalra?
oh you mean Kalra saheb the great ... whoever.
> And the 25,000 'criminal
> types' on his list?
25, 25K, 250K, pick any number...
>
> "During the last couple of years the word 'extremist' has been continually
> and arbitrarily used by the press and politicians to describe the hundreds of
> peope in Punjab who have fallen foul of the Army and Police. In the course
> of our stay in Punjab we met and heard of many of these so-called
> 'extremists' -women like Satwant Kaur of Harchowal (P) whose husband had been
> killed and who only asked that she be spared constant humiliation at the
> hands of police, men like Sohan Singh whose eyes were gouged out and his body
> reduced to pulp because he said he was a religious Sikh; or Suba Singh who
> was killed simply because he had witnessed the torture of another human
> being..." Oppression in Punjab, Citizens for Democracy
[seriously, folks, this is something all Indians should be ashamed of]
>
> > > or "Delhi riots mean "organized pogrom"
> >
> > This cannot be denied and as such has been well documented in the Indian
> > media as such.
> >
>
> But nothing has been done...another fine example of selective justice.
As a self-declared non-Indian, you seem to be strangely preoccupied with the
Indian judicial system ...
>
> >
> > > or "an integral part of" means
> > > "suppressed by."
> >
> > sure, sammy sweetie, isn't it a drag to have to invent your own dictioary
> > like this.
>
> Your Propaganda Ministry should know the answer to that.
As your Holy Ministry of Truth should have you know..
>
> >
> > > Stop butchering the English language!
> >
> > ouch, that hurt. Speaking of butcher, did you fighting fighters remember how
> > many Muslims you gently send to heaven during the days of Partition ?
>
> This has nothing to do with the issue we are discussing.
since what has butchering your precious Angrezi languaze got anything to do
with anything ?
>
> > >
> > > The civilized world has other means to solve its conflicts than making war
> ofr
> > > every whim...are you a part of that?
> >
> > hahaha. we salute the civilized world where highly civilized Khalistani
> > freedom fighters use second-hand Pakistani water pistols to make their point.
>
> Yes, and it took over 100,000 of your army to capture a few water-pistol
> toting men...how can Bharat Mata ever be a superpower?
well, my Bharat Mata can sure be a super pain in your butt, my perturbed putt.
>
> > > Lets not be so petty as to put self-determination in the same category as
> > > fighitng for gold or land.
> >
> > Ever been to a good old non-petty discussion at a gurdwara discussing the
> > greater religious significance of sitting on a chair as opposed to sitting on
> > the floor ?
>
> This is irrelevant gibberish.
you poor fool, you are so sweet. What do you call someone who simply cannot
resist responding to plain old irrelevant gibberish ? A suffering saka.
hahaha
Subir De.
Pradip Parekh
it is easier for the security forces to deal with these junglies than it is
to debate their incoherent champions of their non-exisitng culture. For one
thing we know what the fight is all about.
Pradip
subi...@my-dejanews.com
sha...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7evg25$sri$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > > In article <7eto0t$dnu$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > > subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > murder are well published throughout Indian media
>
> Cany you specifically tell me which reports and by whom these were published?
no, I am sorry, I do not have an archive of references. you are free to call
me liar, but then again, what do I care.
> With little regard for freedom of the press, the corrupt Machiavellian regime
> of India has banned reports like Government Organized Carnage and Oppression
> in Punjab.
The government has tried its best to muzzle the press, but in a country where
everyone is a crook, it is impossible to keep any secret.
>
> but you choose to share
> > your charming fantasies with us.
> >
>
> These are hardly fantasies, they are well-documented by Human Rights
> organizations and even the US state department has taken note of them. Only
> knaves like yourself, with little mental capacity or the integrity to face
> the facts are in denial.
Do make up your sweet little mind whether I said there are numerous reports
of Government sponsored terror or if I deny such things have happened and
continue to happen ?
>
> >
> > Well, this does not change the fact that the last time around you must have
> > forgotten to mention Hindu victims. For all intents and purposes your little
> > tirade was based exclusively on Sikh victimization by Hindus.
>
> The overwhelming number of victims since 1984 have been Sikhs (over 100,000
> Sikhs killed; the actual figure is probably between 150,000 and 250,000.)_
And how many of them were killed by Sikh terrorists ?
>
> Try to answer these questions (with an answer from your mind, not you anus
> this time.)
Why sweetie, I will do anything for you 100% fart-retaining young Saka. Was I
really sitting on your pretty face the last time we spoke ? sorry.
> Why were over 38 gurudwaras attacked during Bluestar?
Why, were there more gurdwaras taken over by them 'heroes of the revolution' ?
> If the
> govt. wanted to capture 40 criminals (18 in Pakistani jails, US or Canada,
> and the remainder 22 not found in the Golden Temple) why did it attack during
> a holy day?
Every day is a holy day, son.
> Did it not know that innocent pilgrims would be caught in the
> crossfire?
Did the zeroes of the revolution think that they could hide behind innocent
civilians ?
> (The number of pilgrims killed falls between 5,000 to 9,000; most
> were killed with hands tied behind their back)
you think the Indian Army has money to buy rope to tie up people before they
graciously shoot them in cold blood ?
> What happened to the 40
> criminals? Why were none found?
Because, in the hearts of the many, there were no criminals to begin with,
only saints.
>
> > > It must be for "Indians" who create circular definitions to further their
> > > fascist and imperialistic goals.
> >
> > Now that is really funny to see fighting Saka/Sikhs who are the only people
> > in the world to invent singular definitions and who have never conquered
> > other people in all their glorious histories.
>
> You are ignoring the point that most definitions of Indian given so far have
> been circular...no serious definition has been given on the net.
And you are ignoring your own pitiful obsession with the definition of an
Indian, when you so carefully choose to point out that you are not one.
cheers, sammy.
Mo
terrorists to come out of the Golden Temple and take part in
the political process but not only did they ignore they even
started issuing death lists from the radio there and there
supporters would carry out the threats .
They killed the Police Inspector who had come to pray at the
Golden Temple . Even that the Govt might have overlooked but
then they upped the ante and banned all grain movements in
Punjab on pain of death .
At that time the govt had no choice but order the army to
flush them out as millions of Sikh Punjabis risked
starvation and death . If you dont confront the militants
early on they do run riot..
sha...@my-dejanews.com
subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7f01jf$d1r$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> sha...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > Cany you specifically tell me which reports and by whom these were
published?
>
> no, I am sorry, I do not have an archive of references. you are free to call
> me liar, but then again, what do I care.
Yes you are a liar, and you have little regard for ethics or the ability to
reason systematically and debate in a logical manner, but in your blatant
disregard for the truth or for sources, you are not very different from your
the founders of your country: Gandhi, Nehru etc. or those who defend it on
the net Mo, Bholu, Ramkrisp, Pardip parekh etc.
>
> > With little regard for freedom of the press, the corrupt Machiavellian
regime
> > of India has banned reports like Government Organized Carnage and Oppression
> > in Punjab.
>
> The government has tried its best to muzzle the press, but in a country where
> everyone is a crook, it is impossible to keep any secret.
This does not address the issue at hand: on one hand you are saying the press
has documented the kind of atrocities that have taken place and that htese are
in public light...but a minute later you say that the govt. is muzzling the
press (but unsucessfully so.) Don't be so vague.
And do you oppose such attempts to muzzle the press or not?
> >
> > These are hardly fantasies, they are well-documented by Human Rights
> > organizations and even the US state department has taken note of them. Only
> > knaves like yourself, with little mental capacity or the integrity to face
> > the facts are in denial.
>
> Do make up your sweet little mind whether I said there are numerous reports
> of Government sponsored terror or if I deny such things have happened and
> continue to happen ?
Its you who needs to make up your mind (or whatever fragments of it are l .)
> > The overwhelming number of victims since 1984 have been Sikhs (over 100,000
> > Sikhs killed; the actual figure is probably between 150,000 and 250,000.)_
>
> And how many of them were killed by Sikh terrorists ?
These are exclusively figures for Sikhs killed by the terrorist Indian regime.
> > Why were over 38 gurudwaras attacked during Bluestar?
>
> Why, were there more gurdwaras taken over by them 'heroes of the revolution' ?
Answer the question.
>
> > If the
> > govt. wanted to capture 40 criminals (18 in Pakistani jails, US or Canada,
> > and the remainder 22 not found in the Golden Temple) why did it attack
during
> > a holy day?
>
> Every day is a holy day, son.
Convenient answer. The day Bluestar took place, was the anniversary of Guru
Arjan's martyrdom. Policy makers knew the historical significance of the
date and that pilgrims go to the Golden Temple en masse during that week.
Why did they pick that specific date out of 365 days? Why that day? The
desire was to inflict a deep wound on the Sikhs and maximize the casualty
list...any other week would have produced a lower casualty list.
>
> > Did it not know that innocent pilgrims would be caught in the
> > crossfire?
>
> Did the zeroes of the revolution think that they could hide behind innocent
> civilians ?
The date of Bluestar was picked with a specific intent.
>
> > (The number of pilgrims killed falls between 5,000 to 9,000; most
> > were killed with hands tied behind their back)
>
> you think the Indian Army has money to buy rope to tie up people before they
> graciously shoot them in cold blood ?
Eyewitnesses (Sikh granthis, survivors, and military men) have confirmed this.
And photographs are available...come out of denial you spineless bufoon.
>
> > What happened to the 40
> > criminals? Why were none found?
>
> Because, in the hearts of the many, there were no criminals to begin with,
> only saints.
You are not answering the question.
> >
> > You are ignoring the point that most definitions of Indian given so far have
> > been circular...no serious definition has been given on the net.
>
> And you are ignoring your own pitiful obsession with the definition of an
> Indian, when you so carefully choose to point out that you are not one.
> cheers, sammy.
The Indian identity has inflicted so much unnecessary suffering on the people
of the subcontinent, its hardly worth preserving. Moreover there is no
serious argument in favor of it (particularly as it is argued by Indian
statists.) As the old saying goes "scratch a Bolshevik and you find a Russian
Chauvinist" "Scratch an Indian patriot, and you find a Hindu chauvinist"
sha...@my-dejanews.com
"Pradip Parekh" <p...@viptx.net> wrote:
> With all due regard for Mr. De's delightful debating skills,
Are lower primates or humans who resemble them closely, in the habit of
scratching each others backs? Perhaps a biologist with an expertise in the
pitfalls of human evolution can explain Mr. Parekh's behavior.
it seems to me
> it is easier for the security forces to deal with these junglies
The 'junglies' showed thier behavior a few months ago when they threw chairs
and sticks at each other in parliament, or when they celebrate in the streets
wehn thier hegemonical regime acquires weapons of mass destruction,or when
they vote in goons like HKL Bhagat ands Sajjan Kumar, or when they habitually
pinch the behinds of fat women in DTC buses.
than it is
> to debate their incoherent
Your chimp like nature has made logic incoherent to you. Get yourself a
banana and leave gadgets like the computer alone.
> champions of their non-exisitng culture.
And on what pedestal do you sit when you criticize Punjabi culture? The
songs of horny pan-eating nawabs in Lucknow screwing hookers? Or songs like
Jholi kay pichay kya hai? Or a culture that reveres the arch-constipator and
racist Gandhi? need we discuss a former prime minister who drank urine?
Raghu Seshadri
: "Scratch an Indian patriot, and you find a Hindu chauvinist"
Dr Abdul Kalam will be interested to know that
while he was not looking, his religion got
changed, and not just that, this very rational
and reasonable man is now a chauvinist :-)
And Nehru, who wrote countless articles
in praise of agnosticism, and ridiculing all
religions, Hinduism in particular - what do you
know, he must have changed his position after
death :-)
Poor Abulkalam Azad, he was even called "maulana" for his
Islamic scholarship ! Thanks to Mr shamyl, we know
now he was a hindu chauvinist !
How about Field-Marshall Sam Manekshaw, who almost
lost his life several times in various battles ?
Yep, changed into a hindu chauvinist when no one
was looking :-)
And Nani Palkhivala, who is the most eloquent
public figure on patriotic virtues ? Ya Khuda,
is he a hindu chauvinist too ? Must be, Mr shamyl
says so.
RS
AhmedDiwan
Be Proud to be Indian.
Since majority of Indians are Hindu, most of the proud Indians are likely to be
Hindus - a mathemetical certainty.
It is understandable that Indian people would not like Anti-India chauvinists
who pretend to be for India but hate most of its people. To such India-baiters,
majority of Indians would appear as chauvinist and intolerant. In order to
carry out their India-baiting, they have to hide behind minoritism and
piggy-back on external forces.
Punjabi Putt
subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > > You should know that reports of Indian Government troops rape, torture and
> > > murder are well published throughout Indian media but you choose to share
> > > your charming fantasies with us.
> >
> > Then why are books like "Soft Target" and "Government Organised Carnage"
> > banned in your holy ancient BharatGowhMata?
>
> Only after you explain how open and democratic gurdwaras all over the world
> have been taken over by Khalistani elements who threaten dire consequences to
> any 'traitors'.
Suppose they have been taken over by Khalistanis- I'll give you the benefit
of the doubt since I don't know too much about Gurdwara politics. You still
didn't answer my question.
> > I've mentioned many times that innocent Hindus were killed, and I still
stand
> > by that statement. The killers of innocent Hindus in Punjab (i.e. the
> > terrorists) have already been punished,
>
> And this is your assertion that all killers of Hindus and Sikh civilians by
> terrorists have been caught and shot ? not bad for a bald assertion.
Langura, just about every "terrorist" and his brother has been tortured and
killed by KPS Gill and his SS legions.
> Justice should be unbiased in your own beloved eyes of freedom fighting Sikhs
> who tried, convicted and sentenced numerous civilians to death in absentia.
When did I say I was in favour of that? Is it common for you langurs to make
assumptions based on Bharatiya excrement and urine?
> > What the hell does that have to do with it? Some groups have been oppressed
> > more than others - according to you those groups (Native Americans, Tartars,
> > Scots, Tibetans, blacks in America) have no rights. What a load of fascist
> > bullshit.
>
> Sure, Putt man. As you say, there are degree of oppresion. And no mention of
> the oppression of the Sikh rule over Rajasthan, Afghanisthan and Kashmir,
> only glorious odes to the happy Sikh kingdom.
And? What does that have to do with the Delhi Genocide or state-imposed terror
of the last 15 years? Should we run around and hate modern-day Spaniards for
their actions against the peoples of the New World? Stop clouding the issue.
> > And I am equally impressed by the shit piling up on the streets of your
> > glorious capital. Not to mention the swelling slums, soaring crime rate...
>
> Hey, wanna be impressed, be my guest, be happily impressed.
I'm glad you agree. Are you impressed with the shit, crime, urine, beggars,
etc. of Delhi?
> As you can't quite face the fact that the miracle you expected did not occur
> on 1991.
Again (I know repitition is the only way to teach langurs) it was because Mr.
Manmohan Singh came to its rescue. Your bankrupt whore called "India" should
have been dismantled then.
> > The clock is ticking, and even though you close your eyes, reality will hit
> > you one day.
>
> You keep track of the ticks, please do feel hurt if we continue with our own
> problems.
Speaking of problems, I don't think the 200m dalits are going to be too happy
with you...better keep your eyes open.
--Punjabi Putt
subi...@my-dejanews.com
sha...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7f0dmo$ocf$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > In article <7f01jf$d1r$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > sha...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > > Cany you specifically tell me which reports and by whom these were
> published?
> >
> > no, I am sorry, I do not have an archive of references. you are free to call
> > me liar, but then again, what do I care.
>
> Yes you are a liar,
And you are the veritable fountain of truth, shammy sire.
> and you have little regard for ethics or the ability to
> reason systematically and debate in a logical manner,
That must pass off as a brilliant deduction in your circle of ethical pals.
> but in your blatant
> disregard for the truth or for sources, you are not very different from your
> the founders of your country:
I love your personal charterization, I must say.
> Gandhi, Nehru etc. or those who defend it on
> the net Mo, Bholu, Ramkrisp, Pardip parekh etc.
You put Gandhi-ji, Nehru-ji on the same plane with Mo-ji, Bholu-ji and
Parekj-ji ? I bet they are in 7(%)th heaven for this peace of flattery..
>
> >
> > > With little regard for freedom of the press, the corrupt Machiavellian
> regime
> > > of India has banned reports like Government Organized Carnage and Oppression
> > > in Punjab.
> >
> > The government has tried its best to muzzle the press, but in a country where
> > everyone is a crook, it is impossible to keep any secret.
>
> This does not address the issue at hand:
Pray state exactly what Indian issue would you like to expound on ...
> on one hand you are saying the press
> has documented the kind of atrocities that have taken place and that htese are
> in public light...but a minute later you say that the govt. is muzzling the
> press (but unsucessfully so.)
I know that logic that is well loved by Sakas, but surely, shammy sire, you
can tell the difference between the Press and the Government ? One is in the
business of selling news and the other is in the business of making news. Or
here is another, Business people run the Press, Politicians lead the
Government. or ... better look up the Oxford
> Don't be so vague.
shammy, sire, you are so sweet, we simply cannot appreciate the depth of your
confusion.
> And do you oppose such attempts to muzzle the press or not?
The Indian Government muzzles the press ? Arre bhai, when every government
function in India is in shambles what makes you think that any
self-respecting civil servant is going to go out of his way to enforce every
directive that comes from New Delhi ?
>
> > >
> > > These are hardly fantasies, they are well-documented by Human Rights
> > > organizations and even the US state department has taken note of them. Only
> > > knaves like yourself, with little mental capacity or the integrity to face
> > > the facts are in denial.
> >
> > Do make up your sweet little mind whether I said there are numerous reports
> > of Government sponsored terror or if I deny such things have happened and
> > continue to happen ?
>
> Its you who needs to make up your mind (or whatever fragments of it are l .)
Me, my mind, my framents of it are I ? 'tis so touching to see your fevered
concern for me..
>
> > > The overwhelming number of victims since 1984 have been Sikhs (over 100,000
> > > Sikhs killed; the actual figure is probably between 150,000 and 250,000.)_
> >
> > And how many of them were killed by Sikh terrorists ?
>
> These are exclusively figures for Sikhs killed by the terrorist Indian regime.
What the heck, we will take Sant Aulakh's figure of 5 million Sikhs killed by
our terror Indian regime. Now how many Sikhs were killed by Sikh terrorists ?
Bingo, none !
>
> > > Why were over 38 gurudwaras attacked during Bluestar?
> >
> > Why, were there more gurdwaras taken over by them 'heroes of the revolution' ?
>
> Answer the question.
hehehe, how sweet. Can someone explain to our Truth Seeking Sakas that the
Indian Army will attack every gurdwara taken over by terrorists as their base
of terror activities.
>
> >
> > > If the
> > > govt. wanted to capture 40 criminals (18 in Pakistani jails, US or Canada,
> > > and the remainder 22 not found in the Golden Temple) why did it attack
> during
> > > a holy day?
> >
> > Every day is a holy day, son.
>
> Convenient answer.
hahaha. It begs the question as to what day is the holy day allowed for
attacks on a gurdwara which is used by the terrorists as a safe haven.
> The day Bluestar took place, was the anniversary of Guru
> Arjan's martyrdom.
The day General B. took over the basement of the Golden Temple for his
terrorist base was equally a holy day.
> Policy makers knew the historical significance of the
> date and that pilgrims go to the Golden Temple en masse during that week.
As did the terrorists who were praying that no attacks would take place.
> Why did they pick that specific date out of 365 days?
The same way General Bhiren. picked a day to check into the Golden Temple.
> Why that day?
Why dis day, why not dat day, Y not wait a week or 2 when the weather was
better, or 2 years later when everyone was in the mood for an attack .....
> The
> desire was to inflict a deep wound on the Sikhs and maximize the casualty
> list...any other week would have produced a lower casualty list.
Heck, what deeper wound than to completely destroy the temple itself and the
entire city of Amritsar ? How much lower casualty number would completely
satisfy the entire Saka nation ?
>
> >
> > > Did it not know that innocent pilgrims would be caught in the
> > > crossfire?
> >
> > Did the zeroes of the revolution think that they could hide behind innocent
> > civilians ?
>
> The date of Bluestar was picked with a specific intent.
ah, the cloud clears and the Oracle of Sakasthan gets ready to deliver a
gem-quality truth ...
>
> >
> > > (The number of pilgrims killed falls between 5,000 to 9,000; most
> > > were killed with hands tied behind their back)
> >
> > you think the Indian Army has money to buy rope to tie up people before they
> > graciously shoot them in cold blood ?
>
> Eyewitnesses (Sikh granthis, survivors, and military men) have confirmed this.
> And photographs are available...come out of denial you spineless bufoon.
hmm, maybe the gem will come later. As for the civilian casualties by the
Indian Army, this has been reported by the Indian press. As for the photos,
why not take your own advice and give references (sorry, while Saka
references are too wholy to be questioned, independent verification is
preferred). As for coming out of my denial, what can I say, but feel deeply
obliged to my faithful animal handler.
>
> >
> > > What happened to the 40
> > > criminals? Why were none found?
> >
> > Because, in the hearts of the many, there were no criminals to begin with,
> > only saints.
>
> You are not answering the question.
questions, questions, questions, but so few answers. Life is drag, isn't it ?
>
> > >
> > > You are ignoring the point that most definitions of Indian given so far have
> > > been circular...no serious definition has been given on the net.
> >
> > And you are ignoring your own pitiful obsession with the definition of an
> > Indian, when you so carefully choose to point out that you are not one.
> > cheers, sammy.
>
> The Indian identity has inflicted so much unnecessary suffering on the people
> of the subcontinent, its hardly worth preserving.
Well, I have to agree with you here.
> Moreover there is no
> serious argument in favor of it (particularly as it is argued by Indian
> statists.)
I know and feel your deep desire for 'serious arguments', but unfortunately,
India has no need for arguments, serious or otherwise, for its existence.
> As the old saying goes "scratch a Bolshevik and you find a Russian
> Chauvinist" "Scratch an Indian patriot, and you find a Hindu chauvinist"
Well, as the new sayings starts, "Escratch a Saka patriot and you find an
American citizen" !
Subir De.
>
> Shamyl
subi...@my-dejanews.com
Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> In article <7evuef$a62$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > > > You should know that reports of Indian Government troops rape, torture and
> > > > murder are well published throughout Indian media but you choose to share
> > > > your charming fantasies with us.
> > >
> > > Then why are books like "Soft Target" and "Government Organised Carnage"
> > > banned in your holy ancient BharatGowhMata?
> >
> > Only after you explain how open and democratic gurdwaras all over the world
> > have been taken over by Khalistani elements who threaten dire consequences to
> > any 'traitors'.
>
> Suppose they have been taken over by Khalistanis- I'll give you the benefit
> of the doubt since I don't know too much about Gurdwara politics. You still
> didn't answer my question.
answer this question, answer that question, sure, sweetie, if you have da
questions, Subby has da Answers. Just like Khalistanis take over gurdwaras
and prohibit any dissenting voices, the Government of India prohibits, or
tries it very best, to ban anything which tries to make it look bad.
>
> > > I've mentioned many times that innocent Hindus were killed, and I still
> stand
> > > by that statement. The killers of innocent Hindus in Punjab (i.e. the
> > > terrorists) have already been punished,
> >
> > And this is your assertion that all killers of Hindus and Sikh civilians by
> > terrorists have been caught and shot ? not bad for a bald assertion.
>
> Langura, just about every "terrorist" and his brother has been tortured and
> killed by KPS Gill and his SS legions.
O great Wa-hey Guru O'Sakas, we are indeed blessed with another bald
assertion.
>
> > Justice should be unbiased in your own beloved eyes of freedom fighting Sikhs
> > who tried, convicted and sentenced numerous civilians to death in absentia.
>
> When did I say I was in favour of that?
ahem, when did you exactly say that you were against the Courts set up by the
Khalistani freedom fighter ?
> Is it common for you langurs to make
> assumptions based on Bharatiya excrement and urine?
Just as common for you Sakas to entertain and engage bandars in intellectual
exercises ? Looks like you Sakas are quite fond of watching the Indian poop
flow by, too !
>
> > > What the hell does that have to do with it? Some groups have been oppressed
> > > more than others - according to you those groups (Native Americans, Tartars,
> > > Scots, Tibetans, blacks in America) have no rights. What a load of fascist
> > > bullshit.
> >
> > Sure, Putt man. As you say, there are degree of oppresion. And no mention of
> > the oppression of the Sikh rule over Rajasthan, Afghanisthan and Kashmir,
> > only glorious odes to the happy Sikh kingdom.
>
> And? What does that have to do with the Delhi Genocide or state-imposed terror
> of the last 15 years?
Forgive me, putt man, I did not know that your horizon only goes back a mere
15 years.
> Should we run around and hate modern-day Spaniards for
> their actions against the peoples of the New World? Stop clouding the issue.
Perhaps, it would do good exercise to examine the Sikh record of invading
other nations. As for your confusion, we are indeed sorry but we cannot help
you.
>
> > > And I am equally impressed by the shit piling up on the streets of your
> > > glorious capital. Not to mention the swelling slums, soaring crime rate...
> >
> > Hey, wanna be impressed, be my guest, be happily impressed.
>
> I'm glad you agree. Are you impressed with the shit, crime, urine, beggars,
> etc. of Delhi?
You are happy, I am happy and I am happy to say that I am happy with all the
poop of New Delhi. you still with me ?
>
> > As you can't quite face the fact that the miracle you expected did not occur
> > on 1991.
>
> Again (I know repitition is the only way to teach langurs) it was because Mr.
> Manmohan Singh came to its rescue.
I know it is enlightening, but it appears to be the only way to impress the
Saka saints, it was in 1991 that the great hope filled the breasts of the
Saka nation in the hope the India was soon to be no more. But, alas, it
appears that the efforts of a Dr.Manmohan Singh dashed it down only to raise
a few days later.
> Your bankrupt whore called "India" should
> have been dismantled then.
hahaha, as your beautiful virgin of a Sakasthan would have been born ? Sad,
isn't. Well, don't be so upset, as you say, sooner or later India will
disintegrate. Just be patient ... and play with us langurs on sci, won't ya,
while you twiddle your thumbs.
>
> > > The clock is ticking, and even though you close your eyes, reality will hit
> > > you one day.
> >
> > You keep track of the ticks, please do feel hurt if we continue with our own
> > problems.
>
> Speaking of problems, I don't think the 200m dalits are going to be too happy
> with you...better keep your eyes open.
Nah, since you seemed so concerned, you keep yours open while we bandaras
take a well deserved nap. Oh, the Dalits have taken over ? oh well, call us
when the Jharkandis rise next.
Subir De. Chief Sleeping Bandar
>
> --Punjabi Putt
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> > As the old saying goes "scratch a Bolshevik and you find a Russian
> > Chauvinist" "Scratch an Indian patriot, and you find a Hindu chauvinist"
>
> Well, as the new sayings starts, "Escratch a Saka patriot and you find an
> American citizen" !
>
Good one.
sha...@my-dejanews.com
sesh...@cse.ucsc.edu (Raghu Seshadri) wrote:
> sha...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> : "Scratch an Indian patriot, and you find a Hindu chauvinist"
> Poor Abulkalam Azad, he was even called "maulana" for his
> Islamic scholarship ! Thanks to Mr shamyl, we know
> now he was a hindu chauvinist !
{rest of Raghu's dull and predictable response deleted.}
And Maulana ji would be turning in his grave if he could see what India has
now become.
Mr. Seshadri, Nirad C. Chaudri's statements would be quite an eye-opener to
you. "The really strong passion which fed Indian nationalism was the Hindu
xenophobia, which was created by the Hindu way of life and shaped thier
attitude to all who are not Hindus" or "they condemned imperialism only so
far as British imperialism made them subject to an empire instead of its
masters"
When Lenin made the statement 'scratch a Bolshevik and you will find a
Russian chauvinist' he wanted to warn members of the Communist Party, that
Bolshevism was being deeply influenced by Russian chauvinists and that
Russian chauvinism would rear its ugly head under the guise of Bolshevism and
socialism in the USSR. This was quite accurate...but Lenin did not mean that
there were absolutely no non-Russian Bolsheviks. Indeed men like Sultan
Nurayev (a prominent central asian leader) or Stalin (a Georgian) were
non-Russians, and even Lenin himself was not fully of Russian descent. In a
similar vein, while Indian nationalism has attracted non-Hidus (and groups
like the Sikhs, have made sacrifices far out of thier proportion) at its
deepest roots Indian nationalism is a hidden Hindu chauvinism. While a large
portion of religious minorities have bought into secular rhetoric, prominent
Indian nationalists and the thrust of the movement was actually Hindu
chauvinism. Indian nationalism has been submerged by Hindu nationalism.
The nationalism articulated by Tilak, with his references to Shivaji and
Ganesh, by the Arya Samaj, and by Bankim Chatterjee's novel Anand Math (which
contians the song Bande Mataram) was a deeply communal sort of nationalism.
Cjatterjee went so far as so state that his intent in writing Anand Math was
to put an end to Muslim tyranny and bring forth Hindu rule. The protagonists
fight against Muslim rule, but are defeated by the English, and Hindu rule is
to be restored when 'Hinduism becomes great in knowledge, virtue, and power.'
The English are treated as friends towards the end, and the muslims are
singled out as enemies. Tilak's brand of nationalism was inspired by periods
of Maratha rule, when the Brahaminical caste system was revived fully.
Duirng that period, some lower castes were prohibited from entering the city
of Pune before 9 am and after 3 pm. The nature of the Arya Samaj and its
founder Dayanand are too well known to bother discussing here.
The mantle of Hindu nationalism was inherited by a racist, Gandhi "we must
learn to seal the image of Rama and Krishna on every yarn of thread spun out
of the spinning wheel." Gandhi was close to Lala Lajpat Rai (a communalist)
whom he visited in Lahore in 1924. Gandhi did not have serious moral
reservations about blessing Swami Shraddhanand's moves at reconverting
Muslims, and pleaded with Sanatanist Hindus to stop being excessively
critical of the Arya Samaj. (Till his last days, Gandhi carried on verbal
tirades against the Sikh community, and and questioned the right of the
Sikhs to carry kirpans, and was not too kindly disposed towards the Gurmukhi
script.) Gandhi was closely attached to the Hindu religious system and its
advocation of casteism. His support for the entry of untouchables into Hindu
temples is questionable since he stated that religous injunctions do not
allow for it.
According to Dr. Ambedkar, "The only difference between the Congress and the
Hindu Maha Sabha is that the latter is crude in its utterances and brutal in
its actions while the Congress is politic and polite. Apart from this fact,
there is no difference between the Congress and Hindu Maha Sabha."
Nehru, according to Sardar Hukam Singh, " a spearhead of militant Hindu
chauvinism who glibly talks about nationalism, a tyrant who eulogises
democracy and a Goebblian liar- in short a political cheat, deciever and
double dealer in the service of Indian reaction." Sardar Hukam Singh's words
are not too harsh considering that Nehru was rady to face civil war rather
than concede to the Punjabi Suba (a clear betrayal of his promises made to
the Sikhs.) When the issue of Punjabi Suba was brought up, Nehru like a
rabid communalist burst into rage. On November 17, 1960 at Rudrapur, he
shouted "you fools, your Punjabi Suba has been left in Pakistan...go to your
Punjabi suba, why are you here?" Nehru made to serious attempts to correct
the Congress Arya Samajists betrayla of the Punjabi language, while taking an
extremely hard line against the Sikhs.
The statements of men like Sardar Patel (a deeply communal 'indian
nationalist')are too well known to bother discussing here.
If you still have doubts read books by Sangat Singh and Gurdarshan S. Dhillon
on the Punjab crisis, they provide ample quotes like the ones above.
Raghu Seshadri
"showing that many hindu chauvinists were prominent in
the freedom movement does NOT demonstrate that all
patriots are hindu chauvinists".
Quite elementary, really. My rather dull, predictable
list demonstrated that with several examples. One should
have sufficed. Btw, I sacrificed the entertaining but
untrue bits for true but dull statements. For the opposite
choice, please join the gandasa-ji fan club.
Also, you make no distinction between a merely religious
person and a chauvinist. Do you make such a distinction,
or are they both the same ?
Your abuse of Nehru proved a damp squib as the example
you cited did NOT at all show that he was a hindu
chavinist. Not even remotely. The man was a lifelong
atheist. That Hukum guy seems quite unbalanced in his
"judgments".
And as for Bankim, aren't you making the same blunder
the Ayatollah made ? Mistaking a character in a novel
for the author ? If I write a murder mystery, am I
a murderer ? Come on.
And as for quoting old Nirad, I could regale you for
a whole afternoon with many of his silly quotes. Not
a paragon of logic, dear old Nirad, for all his
scholarship.
regards,
RS
ps - Why are you spending so much time reading the
gutter press ? All men have warts, just focussing
on that is not productive. Perhaps Washington
did tell lies, and perhaps Jefferson had slaves.
But if someone were to spend all his concentration
only on their negatives, his judgment gets warped.
Why not round it out with their positive qualities ?
It's your choice, ofcourse.
Punjabi Putt
sesh...@cse.ucsc.edu (Raghu Seshadri) wrote:
> ps - Why are you spending so much time reading the
> gutter press ? All men have warts, just focussing
> on that is not productive. Perhaps Washington
> did tell lies, and perhaps Jefferson had slaves.
> But if someone were to spend all his concentration
> only on their negatives, his judgment gets warped.
> Why not round it out with their positive qualities ?
> It's your choice, ofcourse.
I agree completely. Shamyl, you should seriously look at the positive side of
things and stop reading the gutter press. Like Hitler, for example. Who cares
if he gassed millions, he has "positive qualities", right?
It has also been noted that Hitler kept Germany together with "myriad
threads", another positive trait!
--Punjabi Putt
Raghu Seshadri
Punjabi Putt (punjab...@my-dejanews.com) wrote:
: I agree completely. Shamyl, you should seriously look at the positive side of
: things and stop reading the gutter press. Like Hitler, for example. Who cares
: if he gassed millions, he has "positive qualities", right?
: It has also been noted that Hitler kept Germany together with "myriad
: threads", another positive trait!
Thank you, puttji. Per Godwin's law, now that you
have evoked old Adolf's name, you have brought an
end to the thread. Congratulations !
RS
Rama Krishna Pidaparti
case what is the problem... in being a (Indian or not) patriot? Aren't these
empty-spacists saka-patriots?
In article <7f0k61$4...@darkstar.ucsc.edu>,
Raghu Seshadri <sesh...@cse.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>sha...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>: "Scratch an Indian patriot, and you find a Hindu chauvinist"
>
>Dr Abdul Kalam will be interested to know that
>while he was not looking, his religion got
>changed, and not just that, this very rational
>and reasonable man is now a chauvinist :-)
>
>And Nehru, who wrote countless articles
>in praise of agnosticism, and ridiculing all
>religions, Hinduism in particular - what do you
>know, he must have changed his position after
>death :-)
>
>Poor Abulkalam Azad, he was even called "maulana" for his
>Islamic scholarship ! Thanks to Mr shamyl, we know
>now he was a hindu chauvinist !
>
Kunal Singh
sha...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7f3ba1$c36$1...@eninet.eas.asu.edu>,
> pida...@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu (Rama Krishna Pidaparti) wrote:
> > OLD Nirad is/was a brown sahib and not the last one.
> >
> > Shamyl calling Gandhi a racist takes the cake,
>
> Dream on you dimwit. Your Bapu was a racist no matter what you think!
>
Very nice post shamyl, it indeed reflects quite poorly on Gandhi. Gandhi was
indeed a male-chauvinist, racist, fraud, cowardly, weakling, sexually perverted,
enema-taking vegetarian, and on top of it all absolutely stupid. His greatest sin
was that none of his theories made even an iota of sense. He was probably the
most ridiculous character who has ever emerged from Gujarat, amongst others such
as Murar Ji Desai, Advani etc. All of these characters should have been locked up
in an insane asylum long ago. I will always have the satisfaction that at least
Godse gave the moron what he deserved a quick death! But sometimes I wonder if he
should have been tortured a little!
Rama Krishna Pidaparti
Shamyl calling Gandhi a racist takes the cake, besides, expressing doubts about
Gandhi's support for allowing untouchables' entry into temples...
In article <7f2pqo$i...@darkstar.ucsc.edu>,
gan...@my-dejanews.com
Nitin Paul Batra <nba...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>
> Gandasa-
>
> My best friend is a Gujarati Brahmin, and I know for certain that he does
> not dislike or disrespect Kushans or Sakas in any way, shape, or form.
>
> Nitin Batra
>
Thanks for the note Mr. Batra. As your know, I was responding to
Pandit Subir De's hate diatribe on northwest's 200m Sakas.
But one cannot deny efforts by Bhiya Brahmanist historians/idealogues/
politicians to erase, marginalize, steal and denigrate the
history, heritage and culture of Sakasthan (and earlier Saptha Sindhva)\
and replace it with hegemonic, supremacist and mischevious fraud claims.
Few examples:
i) claiming Indus-Ganga country is culturally inferior to Gangaland.
ii) claiming Sakasthan is the SAME nation as Gangasthan (it was separate
+90% of its 3500 year known history).
iii) claiming Bhiyas developed Sanskrit which they got from Punjabis.
iv) calming Mauryas - a Saka dynasty - were Bhiyas (Maurya coins
and icons show Saka dress/symbols, architecture of Pataliputra
is a copy of Gandharan-Persian style, Gangetic Puranas call them
"mlechhas", "irreligious" and "shudras").
iv) renaming the "Dharan Jartas" as "Guptas" and claiming they were
of Bhiya origin (their coins agian show them in Saka dress, their
coins called "dinar" and of same weight as the westerly Kushana coins)
.
.
.
100) appropriating and stealing Punjab's earlier Vedic history.
SAKA BRAHMINS ?!!!
One the question of Gujarati and Brahmins. One has to keep in mind that
Brahmins in southasia are not of one racial/ethnic origin as fantasized in
20th century RSS (established 1925) Bhiya-Brahmanoid historical fraud. They
physically blend into the population of their region: in Tamilsthan, majority
look Tamil; in Nepal they look Nepali; in Thailand, they look Thai; in Burma,
they look Burmese; in Bhiyaland, they look Bhiya; in Punjab, they look
Punjabi, etc. Anthrometric studies (e.g. Nasal indexes) and m-DNA studies
collaborate their genetic heterogeneity as is plainly visible to any
observer.
Also, Brahmin communities of different regions belong to different regional
gotras who did not traditionally intermarry. For example, the
gangetic Brahmins belong to the Gaur division while majority
in the northwest (Indus-Ganga region) are of Saraswat and Gurjara
divisions.
After demise of Gandharan civilization (500BC-900AD) and Buddhism in
northwest (9-11th century), many of the Sakas engaged in religious
occupations (known as MAGAS) at the time got roped up into gangetic
Brahmanism for a living and adopted the Brahmin namesake.
They retained many Saka customs and cultural features such as dress (kurta
pajama/uchkin vs. dhoti), eating of meat and occupational flexibility and
frequently took to agrarian/zamindari/martial pursuits (Tyagis) whenever the
opportunity availed. Due to their lax practice of the gangetic caste code
(which for foreign to Sakas), they were traditionally looked down upon by the
hardcore foreign dasya variety from Gangaland.
Gandasa
During expansion of
gan...@my-dejanews.com
subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> I must say that I find your insights fascinating, darling, but I really don't
> have the time/brains to fooly appreciate the higher truths that lay well
O' Wise Brahmin of "Vahika-desa",
Please give us the name/date of a single Kirar (Bahman/Bania) dynasty
in historically and geographically separate Sakasthan (+90% of 4000 yrs).
Then we can discuss the Bhiya Brahmanoid historical and political
CLAIM on Sakasthan (including Punjab) and our "ONE NATIONness".
Gandasa
PS. Just a joke: Can you name/date a Kirar dynasty in your beloved
Gangasthan!
gan...@my-dejanews.com
subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Nah, since you seemed so concerned, you keep yours open while we bandaras
> take a well deserved nap. Oh, the Dalits have taken over ? oh well, call us
> when the Jharkandis rise next.
>
> Subir De. Chief Sleeping Bandar
First commandement of holy sacred Mahabharta (pagerized, post-11th
century gangu version): "NO BRAHMINS SHALT GO TO VAHIKA-DESA".
In your next life, for breaking sacred holy GowhMata Laws, Lord Brahma
will make you the "Chief Sleeping Chuha" of your 7 million Bahman
brothers in Sakasthan (3.5%x 1billion x.2).
Imagine, only 3.5 million rat poisson pellets needed to carry out
Brahma's DIVINE LAW and put a smile on Parvati's face.
Gandasa
gan...@my-dejanews.com
"V.C.Vijayaraghavan" <vi...@vossnet.co.uk> wrote:
> subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > > As the old saying goes "scratch a Bolshevik and you find a Russian
> > > Chauvinist" "Scratch an Indian patriot, and you find a Hindu chauvinist"
> >
> > Well, as the new sayings starts, "Escratch a Saka patriot and you find an
> > American citizen" !
> >
>
>
Here's another good one:
"Shake a patriotic BharatGowhMata dhoti, and you find a green-card".
gan...@my-dejanews.com
Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> In article <7evg25$sri$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > You should know that reports of Indian Government troops rape, torture and
> > murder are well published throughout Indian media but you choose to share
> > your charming fantasies with us.
>
> Then why are books like "Soft Target" and "Government Organised Carnage"
> banned in your holy ancient BharatGowhMata?
>
> > in the world to invent singular definitions and who have never conquered
> > other people in all their glorious histories.
I though BharatGowhMata was a "secular democratic" country not
an empire of conquest. When was the last time a Brahmin/Bania
conquered anything anyway. Their first ever 50yr "empire" is all
based on tricks, slime and historical fraud.
> You still can't face the fact that BharatMata was on the brink of economic
> collapse till Mr. Singh had to come along and rescue it.
Why does some crazy Saka have to come and plug BhartaGowhMata's holes
whenever it it about to bleed its last breath?
>
> > > Look at a world map you ignoramus.
> >
> > hahaha, we still see the fantasy that is India the last time we looked,
> > sweetie.
>
Correct, BharatGowhMata is breathing but looking very "lissy" because it
got infected by incurable kirar leaches in 1947.
The Sakas have always been climbing on top for a few humps all the time
but kept it virile and healthy.
But it is useless, sick and dying now and cannot be saved. But we
noble 200m Sakas have grand plans and want it head, right shoulder
chop and moma for a big Saka barbeque party. We will do a Vedic
tandori roast by the bonfire and wash it down with our ancient
desi-homa juice and do our glorious Bhangra . . . just as ordained
by our ancient Vedic God Indra of Saptha Sindhva.
We are also very generous . . . Laloo Yadav and Mayavati Brigade of 40
thieves will get BhartaMata's left moma to suckle on for a few centuries.
Everything below the navel can be split between the majority Hindutva
Muslims, Hindutva Christians, Hindutva Dalits and Hindutva Sudras.
That virtually takes care of everyone and BharatGowhMata, holy baby
of sacred glorious GowhMata.
Gandasa
Punjabi Putt
sha...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> And on what pedestal do you sit when you criticize Punjabi culture? The
> songs of horny pan-eating nawabs in Lucknow screwing hookers? Or songs like
> Jholi kay pichay kya hai? Or a culture that reveres the arch-constipator and
> racist Gandhi? need we discuss a former prime minister who drank urine?
Let's not forget the "culture" of "Bollywood" - making fun of handicapped and
blind people while making perverted jokes and laughing at minorities. Not to
mention the prostituting of an ancient and spiritual Sufi song (Dama Dam Mast
Qalandar) to sing about some whore in Mohra.
How about the "culture" of taking a shit in the middle of a street where
everyone in Delhi and their cousin can enjoy the show?
--Punjabi Putt
Shailendra Goswami
If you live in the US, then clearly this not a place for you as you've shown
you're
not willing to live other communities. The US is a melting pot and will soon be
like India.
So, I guess you'll have to go and live in a country all by yourself as there is
no country on
this earth that is purely homogeneous.
Punjabi Putt wrote:
> Let's put all these different tribes into one country and hold it together by
> some "myriad threads"! Who gives a rat's ass if they don't have anything in
> common...we can impose Hindi on them and at the same time attempt to distort
> and wipe out their own history and sense of identity :)
>
> In article <7eu7cv$d...@darkstar.ucsc.edu>,
> sesh...@cse.ucsc.edu (Raghu Seshadri) wrote:
> > What about the other pre-historic tribes ?
> >
> > What is your friend's stand on Pulingas, Chetis, Satavahanas,
> > Madris, Vyoodhas, Matsyas, etc ?
> >
> > How does he feel about Elamites, Hittites,
> > Babylonians, Etruscans ?
> >
> > Tell me honestly, how does he really feel about
> > Midians, Parthians, Gauls, Vikings, apaches,
> > sioux and hottentots ?
Shailendra Goswami
countries around the world, i.e. to prevent problems with jokers who have similar
thinking
like yours.
Punjabi Putt wrote:
> In article <7evg25$sri$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > You should know that reports of Indian Government troops rape, torture and
> > murder are well published throughout Indian media but you choose to share
> > your charming fantasies with us.
>
> Then why are books like "Soft Target" and "Government Organised Carnage"
> banned in your holy ancient BharatGowhMata?
>
> > Well, this does not change the fact that the last time around you must have
> > forgotten to mention Hindu victims. For all intents and purposes your little
> > tirade was based exclusively on Sikh victimization by Hindus.
>
> I've mentioned many times that innocent Hindus were killed, and I still stand
> by that statement. The killers of innocent Hindus in Punjab (i.e. the
> terrorists) have already been punished, but the killers of innocent Sikhs
> (Sajjan Kumar, KPS Gill...) walk around Scot-free. Justice should be
> unbiased, but it isn't in your beloved "India".
>
> > Now that is really funny to see fighting Saka/Sikhs who are the only people
> > in the world to invent singular definitions and who have never conquered
> > other people in all their glorious histories.
>
> What the hell does that have to do with it? Some groups have been oppressed
> more than others - according to you those groups (Native Americans, Tartars,
> Scots, Tibetans, blacks in America) have no rights. What a load of fascist
> bullshit.
>
> > > Only a matter of time...your "India" will collapse under its own weight.
> >
> > Hey, if you are willing to wait for us, we are flattered.
>
> And I am equally impressed by the shit piling up on the streets of your
> glorious capital. Not to mention the swelling slums, soaring crime rate...
>
> > > It
> > > should have in 1991 - don't know why Manmohan Singh had to save it.
> >
> > sorry, about dashing your hopes, we will try to do better next time.
>
> You still can't face the fact that BharatMata was on the brink of economic
> collapse till Mr. Singh had to come along and rescue it.
>
> > > Look at a world map you ignoramus.
> >
> > hahaha, we still see the fantasy that is India the last time we looked,
> > sweetie.
>
> The clock is ticking, and even though you close your eyes, reality will hit
> you one day.
>
> > So what exactly are you doing to help them out, Putt man ? Don't let us
> > guess, you are fighting it our on sci ..
>
> And what the hell are you doing posting Bharatiya fascist venom on the net? Is
> that supposed to help?
sha...@my-dejanews.com
pida...@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu (Rama Krishna Pidaparti) wrote:
>
> Shamyl calling Gandhi a racist takes the cake,
Dream on you dimwit. Your Bapu was a racist no matter what you think!
Chapter 2 of Fazlul Huq's book Gandhi: Saint or Sinner sheds some
light on Gandhi's devious character.
This book's second chapteróGandhi's Anti-African Racismóis a superb analysis
of Gandhi's anti-black thinking. We bring to you the whole chapter for your
review:
Gandhi was not a whit less racist than the white racists of South Africa.
When Gandhi
formed the Natal Indian Congress on August 22, 1894, the no. 1 objective he
declared was:
"To promote concord and harmony among the Indians and Europeans in the
Colony."
[Collected Works (CW)1 pp. 132-33]
He launched his Indian Opinion on June 4 1904: "The object of Indian
Opinion was to bring the European and the Indian subjects of the King Edward
closer together." (CW. IV P. 320)
What was the harm in making an effort to bring understanding among all
people,
irrespective of colour, creed or religion? Did not Gandhi know that a huge
population of
blacks and coloured lived there? Perhaps to Gandhi they were less than human
beings.
Addressing a public meeting in Bombay on Sept. 26 1896 (CW II p. 74),
Gandhi said:
Ours is one continued struggle against degradation sought to be inflicted
upon us by the European, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw
Kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a
certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in
indolence and nakedness.
In 1904, he wrote (CW. IV p. 193):
It is one thing to register natives who would not work, and whom it is very
difficult to find out if they absent themselves, but it is another
thingó-and most insultingó-to expect decent, hard-working, and respectable
Indians, whose only fault is that they work too much, to have themselves
registered and carry with them registration badges.
In its editorial on the Natal Municipal Corporation Bill, the Indian Opinion
of March 18
1905 wrote:
Clause 200 makes provision for registration of persons belonging to
uncivilized races (meaning the local Africans), resident and employed within
the Borough. One can understand the necessity of registration of Kaffirs who
will not work, but why should registration be required for indentured
Indians who have become free, and for their descendants about whom the
general complaint is that they work too much? (Italic portion is added)
The Indian Opinion published an editorial on September 9 1905 under the
heading, "The relative Value of the Natives and the Indians in Natal". In it
Gandhi referred to a speech made by Rev. Dube, a most accomplished African,
who said that an African had the capacity for improvement, if only the
Colonials would look upon him as better than dirt, and give him a chance to
develop self-respect. Gandhi suggested that "A little judicious extra
taxation would do no harm; in the majority of cases it compels the native to
work for at least a few days a year." Then he added:
Now let us turn our attention to another and entirely unrepresented
communityó-the
Indian. He is in striking contrast with the native. While the native has been
of little benefit
to the State, it owes its prosperity largely to the Indians. While native
loafers abound on
every side, that species of humanity is almost unknown among Indians
here.
Nothing could be further from the truth, that Gandhi fought against
Apartheid, which many propagandists in later years wanted people to believe.
He was all in favour of continuation of white domination and oppression of
the blacks in South Africa.
In the Government Gazette of Natal for Feb. 28 1905, a Bill was published
regulating the
use of fire-arms by the natives and Asiatics. Commenting on the Bill, the
Indian Opinion
of March 25 1905 stated:
In this instance of the fire-arms, the Asiatic has been most improperly
bracketed with the natives. The British Indian does not need any such
restrictions as are imposed by the Bill on the natives regarding the
carrying of fire-arms. The prominent race can remain so by preventing the
native from arming himself. Is there a slightest vestige of justification for
so preventing the British Indian?
Here is the budding Mahatma telling the white racists how they can perpetuate
their Nazi
domination over the vast majority of Africans.
In the British imperialist scheme, one important strategy was to divide and
rule. Gandhi advised Indians not to align with other political groups in
either coloured or African communities. In 1906 the coloured people in the
colonies of Good Hope, the Transvaal and the Orange River colony, addressed
a petition to the King Emperor demanding franchise rights. The petitioners
showed clearly that, in one part of South Africa, namely the Cape of Good
Hope, they had enjoyed the franchise ever since the introduction of
representative institutions.
Commenting on the petition, the Indian Opinion of March 24 1906, declaring
that "British Indians have, in order that they may never be misunderstood,
made it clear that they do not aspire to any political power," added:
It seems that the petition is being widely circulated, and signatures are
being taken of all coloured people in the three colonies named. The petition
is non-Indian in character, although British Indians, being coloured people,
are very largely affected by it. We consider that it was a wise policy on the
part of the British Indians throughout South Africa, to have kept themselves
apart and distinct from the other coloured communities in this country.
In a statement made in 1906 to the Constitution Committee, the British Indian
Association
led by Gandhi (CW. V p.335) said:
The British Indian Association has always admitted the principle of white
domination and
has, therefore, no desire, on behalf of the community it represents, for any
political rights
just for the sake of them.
Commenting on a court case, the Indian Opinion of June 2 1906, in its
Gujrati section, stated:
You say that the magistrate's decision is unsatisfactory because it would
enable a person,
however unclean, to travel by a tram, and that even the Kaffirs would be able
to do so. But
the magistrate's decision is quite different. The Court declared that the
Kaffirs have no
legal right to travel by tram. And according to tram regulations, those in an
unclean dress
or in a drunken state are prohibited from boarding a tram. Thanks to the
Court's decision,
only clean Indians (meaning upper caste Hindu Indians) or coloured people
other than
Kaffirs, can now travel in the trams. (Italic portion is added)
Apartheid defended: Gandhi accepted racial segregation, not only because it
was politically expedient as his Imperial masters had already drawn such a
blueprint, it also conformed with his own attitude to the caste system. In
his own mind he fitted Apartheid into the caste system: whites in the
position of Brahmins, Indian merchants and professionals as Sudras, and all
other non-whites as Untouchables.
Though Gandhi was strongly opposed to the comingling of races, the
working-class Indians
did not share his distaste. There were many areas where Indians, Chinese,
Coloured,
Africans and poor whites lived together. On February 15 1905, Gandhi wrote to
Dr. Porter,
the Medical Officer of Health, Johannesburg (CW. IV p.244, and "Indian
Opinion" 9
April 1904):
Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian location should be chosen for
dumping down
all kaffirs of the town, passes my comprehension.
Of course, under my suggestion, the Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs
from the Location. About this mixing of the Kaffirs with the Indians I must
confess I feel most strongly. I think it is very unfair to the Indian
population, and it is an undue tax on even the proverbial patience of my
countrymen.
Dr. Porter replied that it was the Indians who sub-let to Africans.
Commenting on the White League's agitation, Gandhi wrote in his Indian
Opinion of
September 24 1903:
We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they do, only we
believe that they would best serve these interests, which are as dear to us
as to them, by advocating the purity of all races, and not one alone. We
believe also that the white race of South Africa should be the predominating
race.
Again, on December 24 1903, Indian Opinion stated:
The petition dwells upon `the comingling of the coloured and white races'.
May we inform the members of the Conference that so far as British Indians
are concerned, such a thing is particularly unknown. If there is one thing
which the Indian cherishes more than any other, it is the purity of type.
In his farewell speech at a meeting held in the house of Dr. Gool in
Capetown, which was reported in the Indian Opinion of July 1 1914, Gandhi
said:
The Indians knew perfectly well which was the dominant and governing race.
They aspired to no social equality with Europeans. They felt that the path
of their development was separate. They did not even aspire to the
franchise, or, if the aspiration exists, it was with no idea of its having a
present effect.
Gandhi joined in the orgy of Zulu slaughter when the Bambata Rebellion
broke out. It is essential to discuss the background of the Bambata
Rebellion, to place Gandhi's Nazi war crime in its proper perspective.
Mo
>"NO BRAHMINS SHALT GO TO VAHIKA-DESA".<]
Fool . Hindus are not miserable monotheists who listen to a
non existent God or Prophets , they think for themselves and
make up their own minds , so this commandment has no
validity..
subi...@my-dejanews.com
gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7f276c$7t2$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > take a well deserved nap. Oh, the Dalits have taken over ? oh well, call us
> > when the Jharkandis rise next.
> >
> > Subir De. Chief Sleeping Bandar
>
First tenat of secular MahaSakasthana (volume loud, pre-699AD century
sankafied saku version): "EVERY SAKA SHALT LEARN TO USE VAHI-CAPITALS"
>
> In your next life, for breaking sacred holy GowhMata Laws, Lord Brahma
> will make you the "Chief Sleeping Chuha" of your 7 million Bahman
> brothers in Sakasthan (3.5%x 1billion x.2).
In your present life, Sant-ji, for serving the sacred saka sacrements, Wa-hey
Guroo wilt surely ordain thee the "Pitti Loving Guha" of the 700 million
suffering saka sisters in Whereveristhan (2.3*6.2*7%mixed in version Y2K)
>
> Imagine, only 3.5 million rat poisson pellets needed to carry out
> Brahma's DIVINE LAW and put a smile on Parvati's face.
Imagine all the saka people, only 7%(circa 1942) left, only a few dollars to
carry out the fevered desires of the saka destiny to purchase a small amount
of rat poison and put a littel smile on Guroo Gandasaaa's happee face.
Subir De.
>
> Gandasa
subi...@my-dejanews.com
gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <3714A915...@vossnet.co.uk>,
> "V.C.Vijayaraghavan" <vi...@vossnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > > > Chauvinist" "Scratch an Indian patriot, and you find a Hindu chauvinist"
> > >
> > > Well, as the new sayings starts, "Escratch a Saka patriot and you find an
> > > American citizen" !
> > >
> >
> >
> Here's another good one:
> "Shake a patriotic BharatGowhMata dhoti, and you find a green-card".
hahaha, great dhoti-slapper, gandasa, that was priceless, here's yet another
putrid piece:
"Why was that sad Saka busy shaking that dhoti ? Well, that is the only way
he can get his green card".
Subir De. dhoti man, sorry langur, bandar, ulu.
subi...@my-dejanews.com
gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <Pine.SOL.4.05.99041...@rigel.oac.uci.edu>,
> Nitin Paul Batra <nba...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Gandasa-
> >
> > My best friend is a Gujarati Brahmin, and I know for certain that he does
> > not dislike or disrespect Kushans or Sakas in any way, shape, or form.
Well, actually Nitin bhai, I am neither Gujrati nor Baahahahaman. But, in the
interests of fun, friendship and love, I would not mind being mistaken for
either .. or anything else for that matter.
> >
> > Nitin Batra
> >
>
> Thanks for the note Mr. Batra. As your know, I was responding to
> Pandit Subir De's hate diatribe on northwest's 200m Sakas.
As may be noted, we are having a little fun with Sant gandasa's tremendous
love-lovely relationship with the South East's 50 or so 7%OC, and the entire
population of the Gangetic plains.
>
> But one cannot deny efforts by Bhiya Brahmanist historians/idealogues/
> politicians to erase, marginalize, steal and denigrate the
> history, heritage and culture of Sakasthan (and earlier Saptha Sindhva)\
> and replace it with hegemonic, supremacist and mischevious fraud claims.
How true. And hence our Sant saheb's heroic efforts to correct all
misconception through the Internet.
>
> Few examples:
> i) claiming Indus-Ganga country is culturally inferior to Gangaland.
clearly a monumental evidence of skull-duggery, evident even to all imbeciles
reading this.
> ii) claiming Sakasthan is the SAME nation as Gangasthan (it was separate
> +90% of its 3500 year known history).
Sakasthan and Gangoooisthan ? yup, all lies.
> iii) claiming Bhiyas developed Sanskrit which they got from Punjabis.
hahaha. wonder who sits all day at his terminal making all the claims here on
sci.
> iv) calming Mauryas - a Saka dynasty - were Bhiyas (Maurya coins
> and icons show Saka dress/symbols, architecture of Pataliputra
> is a copy of Gandharan-Persian style, Gangetic Puranas call them
> "mlechhas", "irreligious" and "shudras").
sure, according to records Sakas were top dogs all the time (95% to be saka
exact) !
> iv) renaming the "Dharan Jartas" as "Guptas" and claiming they were
> of Bhiya origin (their coins agian show them in Saka dress, their
> coins called "dinar" and of same weight as the westerly Kushana coins)
Ain't that a crying shame ?
> .
> .
> .
> 100) appropriating and stealing Punjab's earlier Vedic history.
hmm, missed out the 95 other reasons ? No to worry, Wahe Saka Historian
gandasa is only too willing to e-mail them to you.
>
> SAKA BRAHMINS ?!!!
oxymoron time ?
actually time to check out. later.
Subir De.
[some soul stirring gandasa research carefully archived in Dejanews ..]
subi...@my-dejanews.com
gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7evg8s$st0$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > I must say that I find your insights fascinating, darling, but I really don't
> > have the time/brains to fooly appreciate the higher truths that lay well
>
> O' Wise Brahmin of "Vahika-desa",
nice to see a change from the usual langur/bandar/uloo sakared vocabulary, O
Sant Saka gandasa, Prophet of "There is Truly a SSSSSSakathan",
> Please give us the name/date of a single Kirar (Bahman/Bania) dynasty
> in historically and geographically separate Sakasthan (+90% of 4000 yrs).
It is so embaressing to see such a sage begging, please this, please that.
And I do love your kindly Kherraarr karecerisazion, Baba bleating of
Bahmanisms and the bunny, bunny Bania jokes. Truly a man filled with love,
hope and good humor.
>
> Then we can discuss the Bhiya Brahmanoid historical and political
> CLAIM on Sakasthan (including Punjab) and our "ONE NATIONness".
Since when did you entertain the thought of sitting down and discussing
matters of historical saknificane with a lanur of the Be-hi-ya Bahmonoid
extractions ? Is it really true the six-fit sakas have been overwhelmed by a
race of 2-foot bandars ? hahaha.
Subir De.
>
> Gandasa
>
> PS. Just a joke: Can you name/date a Kirar dynasty in your beloved
> Gangasthan!
hahaha, man that must have been a brilliant example of humor passing the
rounds of the Saka comedy houses ! here's another dump that passes off as a
joke.
Q: What do you call the quiz-master who insists on asking us dhotis questions
? A: A sakesful saka historian !
apologies for bad taste, but then again, this is sci, you want good jokes, go
the states circuit.
Subir De.
subi...@my-dejanews.com
> > In article <7evg25$sri$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > > You should know that reports of Indian Government troops rape, torture and
> > > murder are well published throughout Indian media but you choose to share
> > > your charming fantasies with us.
> >
> > Then why are books like "Soft Target" and "Government Organised Carnage"
> > banned in your holy ancient BharatGowhMata?
> >
> > > in the world to invent singular definitions and who have never conquered
> > > other people in all their glorious histories.
>
> an empire of conquest.
And we thought that BGM was funny fabrication from the fun-loving minds of
the gandasa. Perhaps we might have the time to deliver a funny answer to that
one day. Please be patient.
> When was the last time a Brahmin/Bania
> conquered anything anyway.
When did the great gandasa conquer anything besides the blands of sci ?
> Their first ever 50yr "empire" is all
> based on tricks, slime and historical fraud.
When one compares this with centuries of Saka empires based on
straight-forward gentle persuasion, lime juice and peaceful logic.
>
> > You still can't face the fact that BharatMata was on the brink of economic
> > collapse till Mr. Singh had to come along and rescue it.
>
> Why does some crazy Saka have to come and plug BhartaGowhMata's holes
> whenever it it about to bleed its last breath?
tut, tut, tut. These things burn your saka beard, sant-ji, all we can do is
offer you a bottle of Linga cooler to cool your disposition.
>
> >
> > > > Look at a world map you ignoramus.
> > >
> > > hahaha, we still see the fantasy that is India the last time we looked,
> > > sweetie.
> >
>
> Correct, BharatGowhMata is breathing but looking very "lissy" because it
> got infected by incurable kirar leaches in 1947.
So what is your worry ? Just be patient, keep up historical persusasion and
you are home free.
>
> The Sakas have always been climbing on top for a few humps all the time
> but kept it virile and healthy.
hey, you the sam, saka man.
>
> But it is useless, sick and dying now and cannot be saved.
Thanks for the info, sweetie,
> But we
> noble 200m Sakas have grand plans and want it head, right shoulder
> chop and moma for a big Saka barbeque party.
noble Saka ? 200mil Pujabi Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Afghanis, Dogras,
Kashmiris and Sindhis uniting together ? Strike me terror with a wet langoti,
I am wetting myself !!
> We will do a Vedic
> tandori roast by the bonfire and wash it down with our ancient
> desi-homa juice and do our glorious Bhangra . . . just as ordained
> by our ancient Vedic God Indra of Saptha Sindhva.
hahaha, will that be vegeterian tandori for your vegeterian Sakas or would
that be halal tandoori for your Muslim Sakas ? As for Bhangra, would that be
drum-machine or straight dholok ? Better call Indra before you make plaaans
..
>
> We are also very generous . . . Laloo Yadav and Mayavati Brigade of 40
> thieves will get BhartaMata's left moma to suckle on for a few centuries.
arre bhai, there is no one more loving and giving that Saka peoples. sure you
guys don't have breasts or is it only other people have breasts ? we know, we
know there are no theives in Saka Land.
>
> Everything below the navel can be split between the majority Hindutva
> Muslims, Hindutva Christians, Hindutva Dalits and Hindutva Sudras.
hahaha, everything below the navel is the fun part of life. Your disgust for
sex can only be matched with your lifelong obsession with all things
Hindoooooooo
>
> That virtually takes care of everyone and BharatGowhMata, holy baby
> of sacred glorious GowhMata.
hahahaha. And this all comes from our sweet saka who moans so plaintively
about 'venom-filled Bahamanians' !
Subir De.
>
> Gandasa
Punjabi Putt
Shailendra Goswami <sha_g...@compuserve.com> wrote:
> Where do you live? What I mean by that is, which country do you live in?
I live in Sakasthan.
> not willing to live other communities. The US is a melting pot and will soon
be
> like India.
Is "India" a melting pot? No, it's a genocidal fascist pot. Get off your
Bharatiya high horse (or should I say high cow)...do you think you can
actually compare "India" and the USA?
Speaking of pot, how's Raghu doing?
> So, I guess you'll have to go and live in a country all by yourself as there
is
> no country on
> this earth that is purely homogeneous.
Ever been to Japan? 99%+ of the pop is ethnically/linguistically/culturally
Japanese. Ok, so it's not "purely" homogeneous, but very close.
--Punjabi Putt
Punjabi Putt
Shailendra Goswami <sha_g...@compuserve.com> wrote:
> Perhaps because of the similar reasons why the Satanic Verses is banned in
most
> countries around the world, i.e. to prevent problems with jokers who have
similar
> thinking
> like yours.
Mr. Bharatiya fascist, ever hear of freedom of speech and expression?
Obviously that doesn't exist in your glorious BharatGowhMata...
No wonder "India" is such a large sewersthan.
sha...@my-dejanews.com
sesh...@cse.ucsc.edu (Raghu Seshadri) wrote:
> Mr shamyl, you seem unaware of the following proposition -
>
> "showing that many hindu chauvinists were prominent in
> the freedom movement does NOT demonstrate that all
> patriots are hindu chauvinists".
Reread my statement on Lenin's quote before you continue with your dribble.
> Quite elementary, really. My rather dull, predictable
> list demonstrated that with several examples. One should
> have sufficed. Btw, I sacrificed the entertaining but
> untrue bits for true but dull statements. For the opposite
> choice, please join the gandasa-ji fan club.
See above.
> Also, you make no distinction between a merely religious
> person and a chauvinist.
The difference is quite clear. What would you say about someone who carrieds
out a tirade against the Gurmukhi script and the Sikhs keeping kirpans, while
ignoring all the sacrifices the Sikhs made? Would this person be merely
religious or could we sense some chauvinism in his behavior?
>Do you make such a distinction,
> or are they both the same ?
See above.
>
> Your abuse of Nehru proved a damp squib as the example
> you cited did NOT at all show that he was a hindu
> chavinist. Not even remotely. The man was a lifelong
> atheist.
According to Gulzari Lal Nanda Nehru "became religious" towards the end of his
life.
> That Hukum guy seems quite unbalanced in his
> "judgments".
Please explain: 1. Why Nehru backed out from his promise of the Sikhs
experiencing a glow of freedom and an area of thier own? 2. Why Nehru was
always ready to criticize the Sikhs but was not so critical of Arya Samjis
who were betraying the Punjabi language and had fascist overtones? 3. the
statement "You fools your Punjabi suba was left in Pakistan...why are you
here?" 4. Why Nehru burst into uncontrollable rage when Sikhs brought the
issue of Punjabi Suba to his intention? 5. Why Nehru threatened to go towar
over Punjabi Suba?
>
> And as for Bankim, aren't you making the same blunder
> the Ayatollah made ? Mistaking a character in a novel
> for the author ?
The author made his anti-Muslims sentiments quite clear in other statements
as well. And why do the Muslims happen to be the bad guys in Anand Math?
Why did he specifically target the Muslims and turn the Hindus into the good
guys? The author picked the religions of antagonists and protagonists with a
specific agenda.
If I write a murder mystery, am I
> a murderer ? Come on.
If this book is a cornerstone of Indian nationalist thought, why does it have
such a blatant anti_muslim bias? After all isn't Indian nationalism
secualr?" Couldn't Indian nationalists pick a less controvertsial book?
>
> And as for quoting old Nirad, I could regale you for
> a whole afternoon with many of his silly quotes. Not
> a paragon of logic, dear old Nirad, for all his
> scholarship.
That still doesn't refute the point Nirad is making.
> ps - Why are you spending so much time reading the
> gutter press ? All men have warts, just focussing
> on that is not productive.
History is a process that is not independent from the nature of the
personalities of men who shape it. Men like Gandhi have shaped the history
of India and the world, and by understanding thier personalities we can have
a deeper understanding of the historical process. If this reveals some
unpleasnat facts about certain shapers of history, then so be it. Rather
than running away from these facts one should have the strength to face them.
Would you try to undertstand Punjab in the first three decades of the 19th
centruy without an iota of knowledge about Ranjit Singh's personality?
>Perhaps Washington
> did tell lies, and perhaps Jefferson had slaves.
> But if someone were to spend all his concentration
> only on their negatives, his judgment gets warped.
Should historical studies of men just focus on thier good qualities?...after
all that little chap in Germany with the funny moustache had lots of charisma
and believed in what he said.
> Why not round it out with their positive qualities ?
> It's your choice, ofcourse.
To ignore the negatives would be to ignore the truth...if we allow ourselves
to be so critical and willing to take in blind faith, we can easily put
demons on pedestals (as many Russians have done with Stalin) and continue to
support oppressive systems. Only be analyzing historical figures properly
can we understand history to a fuller degree and understand our present
situation.
Shamyl
Pradip Parekh
> sha...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>> And on what pedestal do you sit when you criticize Punjabi culture? The
>> songs of horny pan-eating nawabs in Lucknow screwing hookers? Or songs
like
>> Jholi kay pichay kya hai? Or a culture that reveres the arch-constipator
and
>> racist Gandhi? need we discuss a former prime minister who drank urine?
>
OK, I need to mellow down a little in view of the fresh report of
improvement in your culture. But as is often the case in your culture, it is
not without tragedy and irony.
A committee of your mirage country was summoned to decide on a national
anthem. Acknowledging their lack of decent culture, the committee chose to
copy the anthem of Bharat, and decided on Vande Mataram. However, when its
Presdient Shamyl read aloud, the version came out: Bande Marte Hum.
Pradip Parekh
sher singh
gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <3714A915...@vossnet.co.uk>,
> "V.C.Vijayaraghavan" <vi...@vossnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > > > As the old saying goes "scratch a Bolshevik and you find a Russian
> > > > Chauvinist" "Scratch an Indian patriot, and you find a Hindu chauvinist"
> > >
> > > Well, as the new sayings starts, "Escratch a Saka patriot and you find an
> > > American citizen" !
> > >
> >
> > Good one.
> >
> Here's another good one:
> "Shake a patriotic BharatGowhMata dhoti, and you find a green-card".
>
Mo
> 1. Why Nehru backed out from his promise of the Sikhs
experiencing a glow of freedom and an area of thier own? <
What is it that Sikhs dont have in Punjab that those in
Maharashtra or Himachal or Kerala do have ?..
Mo
>
The difference is quite clear. What would you say about
someone who carrieds
out a tirade against the Gurmukhi script and the Sikhs
keeping kirpans, while
ignoring all the sacrifices the Sikhs made?<
In a free country people can say what they want .
>You fools your Punjabi suba was left in Pakistan...why are you
here?" 4. Why Nehru burst into uncontrollable rage when
Sikhs brought the
issue of Punjabi Suba to his intention? 5. Why Nehru
threatened to go towar
over Punjabi Suba?<
He is entitled to his views . He did grant Punjabi suba - so
you accept that it was Sikhs who called for a division of
Punjab.
>And why do the Muslims happen to be the bad guys in Anand Math?
Why did he specifically target the Muslims and turn the
Hindus into the good
guys? <
Again a free country , just like you target Hindus and
ignore Sikhs doing harmful things.
sha...@my-dejanews.com
sha...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> To ignore the negatives would be to ignore the truth...if we allow ourselves
> to be so critical
The word critical should be substitued with uncritical.
Shamyl
>and willing to take in blind faith, we can easily put
> demons on pedestals (as many Russians have done with Stalin) and continue to
> support oppressive systems. Only be analyzing historical figures properly
> can we understand history to a fuller degree and understand our present
> situation.
>
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Punjabi Putt
"Pradip Parekh" <p...@viptx.net> wrote:
> A committee of your mirage country was summoned to decide on a national
> anthem. Acknowledging their lack of decent culture, the committee chose to
> copy the anthem of Bharat, and decided on Vande Mataram. However, when its
> Presdient Shamyl read aloud, the version came out: Bande Marte Hum.
Yes, and when Penis-envy Parekh read BharatGowhMata's national anthem it came
out: Sarak par Latrine Karte Hum.
--Punjabi Putt
gan...@my-dejanews.com
subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7f3hlc$e43$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > In article <Pine.SOL.4.05.99041...@rigel.oac.uci.edu>,
> > Nitin Paul Batra <nba...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > Gandasa-
> > >
> > > My best friend is a Gujarati Brahmin, and I know for certain that he does
> > > not dislike or disrespect Kushans or Sakas in any way, shape, or form.
>
> Well, actually Nitin bhai, I am neither Gujrati nor Baahahahaman. But, in the
> interests of fun, friendship and love, I would not mind being mistaken for
> either .. or anything else for that matter.
Subir De, you are a Bahman of the ancient 1925 RSS brand - why
deny your dasya fudic roots from Gangasthan?
>
> > >
> > > Nitin Batra
> > >
> >
> > Thanks for the note Mr. Batra. As your know, I was responding to
> > Pandit Subir De's hate diatribe on northwest's 200m Sakas.
>
> As may be noted, we are having a little fun with Sant gandasa's tremendous
Have a banana, while swing through the next threads.
> love-lovely relationship with the South East's 50 or so 7%OC, and the entire
> population of the Gangetic plains.
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
gan...@my-dejanews.com
subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7f3m4p$hju$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > In article <7evq2f$63l$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > Punjabi Putt <punjab...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> > > In article <7evg25$sri$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > > subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > You should know that reports of Indian Government troops rape, torture
and
> > > > murder are well published throughout Indian media but you choose to
share
> > > > your charming fantasies with us.
> > >
> > > Then why are books like "Soft Target" and "Government Organised Carnage"
> > > banned in your holy ancient BharatGowhMata?
> > >
> > > > Now that is really funny to see fighting Saka/Sikhs who are the only
people
> > > > in the world to invent singular definitions and who have never conquered
> > > > other people in all their glorious histories.
> >
> > I though BharatGowhMata was a "secular democratic" country not
> > an empire of conquest.
>
> And we thought that BGM was funny fabrication from the fun-loving minds of
> the gandasa. Perhaps we might have the time to deliver a funny answer to that
> one day. Please be patient.
>
> > When was the last time a Brahmin/Bania
> > conquered anything anyway.
>
> When did the great gandasa conquer anything besides the blands of sci ?
Name the empires you conquered fuduram. Sakas are going to soon
roast the Bhiya-Kirar's BharatGowhMata and set up their historical
Sakasthan Federation.
Coming back to the original question . . . name any empire
the self-invented "superior highest caste" Brahmin/Bania conquered!
We have all studied
Kirar Social Science 000 and
Kirar History 000!
So please name one!
>
> > Their first ever 50yr "empire" is all
> > based on tricks, slime and historical fraud.
>
> When one compares this with centuries of Saka empires based on
> straight-forward gentle persuasion, lime juice and peaceful logic.
But they were not built on spicy Kirar slime juice, I assure you.
> > But we
> > noble 200m Sakas have grand plans and want it head, right shoulder
> > chop and moma for a big Saka barbeque party.
>
> noble Saka ? 200mil Pujabi Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Afghanis, Dogras,
> Kashmiris and Sindhis uniting together ? Strike me terror with a wet langoti,
> I am wetting myself !!
All of above would be 400 million fuduram.
200m are between Ganga border and Mohajir border!
>
> > We will do a Vedic
> > tandori roast by the bonfire and wash it down with our ancient
> > desi-homa juice and do our glorious Bhangra . . . just as ordained
> > by our ancient Vedic God Indra of Saptha Sindhva.
>
> hahaha, will that be vegeterian tandori for your vegeterian Sakas or would
> that be halal tandoori for your Muslim Sakas ? As for Bhangra, would that be
> drum-machine or straight dholok ? Better call Indra before you make plaaans
> ..
Dont worry about all this Bhiya! You wont be sent a invitation card
while we are are enjoying the BharatGowhMata Barbeque!
Maybe after you evolve after a few chuha-janums, as ordained in
holy pagerized post-11th century MahaSakaChoriBhiyaBharta.
>
> >
> > We are also very generous . . . Laloo Yadav and Mayavati Brigade of 40
> > thieves will get BhartaMata's left moma to suckle on for a few centuries.
>
> arre bhai, there is no one more loving and giving that Saka peoples. sure you
> guys don't have breasts or is it only other people have breasts ? we know, we
I dont understand your "ka ka ka".
Je ne comprende pas.
Menu teri samaj nahi-ayi!
> know there are no theives in Saka Land.
Wrong, Kirar Swadeshi and haram-khori thiefs are all over Sakaland.
>
> >
> > Everything below the navel can be split between the majority Hindutva
> > Muslims, Hindutva Christians, Hindutva Dalits and Hindutva Sudras.
>
> hahaha, everything below the navel is the fun part of life. Your disgust for
> sex can only be matched with your lifelong obsession with all things
> Hindoooooooo
>
Langura, were did you get my "disgust for . . ." !
I bet all your SWEET shudras will have a lot of fun with Brahma's body parts
after the Sakas are done!
gan...@my-dejanews.com
sher singh <shersi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Another good one here for you: Look at a muslim and you see a Penis!!!
Are your sure, you have went to look at "Muslims"?
>
> gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > In article <3714A915...@vossnet.co.uk>,
> > "V.C.Vijayaraghavan" <vi...@vossnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > > As the old saying goes "scratch a Bolshevik and you find a Russian
> > > > > Chauvinist" "Scratch an Indian patriot, and you find a Hindu
chauvinist"
> > > >
> > > > Well, as the new sayings starts, "Escratch a Saka patriot and you find
an
> > > > American citizen" !
> > > >
> > >
> > > Good one.
> > >
> > Here's another good one:
> > "Shake a patriotic BharatGowhMata dhoti, and you find a green-card".
> >
sha...@my-dejanews.com
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ideology but because membership is likely to further his business
prospects. His primary interest is to make money; he witnesses the Jews
being driven into Krakow, deprived of their rights, and herded into
an overcrowded ghetto without thinking of much more than the opportunity
this provides to make money by exploiting Jewish slave labour. To this
end he recruits Itzhak Stern as accountant and plant manager of his
factory making enamel-coated pots and pans for the German army, and
leaves him in charge of recruiting a workforce and managing production.
Stern accepts this job, but his agenda is different. Aware of the dire
plight of his fellow-Jews, he gets a professor, rabbi, middle-aged
housewives and even a one-armed man certified as "skilled metal workers"
engaged in essential production for the German army, knowing that their
lives may depend on their job. Thus Schindler, quite unwittingly at
first, provides a safe haven for persecuted Jews. To begin with this
does not conflict with his aim of making lots of money; he even
establishes a superficially cordial relationship with Amon Goeth, the
brutal and bestial Nazi Commandant of a forced labour camp, who kills
Jews at random because he enjoys the sense of power it gives him. But as
things get worse, Schindler is forced to choose.
One of the most harrowing sequences is the liquidation of the Krakow
ghetto, in the course of which 10,000 of its Jewish inhabitants are
brutally murdered. Schindler watches the scene from a distance, stunned.
His eyes picks out a figure, a pretty little girl walking jauntily along
amidst the terror-stricken crowd; later, when the victims of the ghetto
are exhumed and incinerated, he sees her corpse trundled in a
wheelbarrow and thrown into the fire: a powerful symbol of the total
annihilation of beauty and innocence which the Nazis stood for. "His"
Jews are no longer his: even those who survived the destruction are
faced with the gas chambers.
Schindler is ready to leave for his home Czechoslovakia with several
trunks full of more than enough money to provide him with all that he
could desire for the rest of his life. But parting with Stern turns out
to be harder than he anticipated; Stern is quite aware that he and the
rest of the workforce are destined for the extermination camps. A strong
point of the film is the almost imperceptible way in which this quiet
man, with his unflinching determination to save as many of his people as
possible, gradually comes to have a powerful moral influence over his
boss. At the last minute, Schindler changes his mind; with the help of
Stern, he draws up a list of 1100 Jews whom he wishes to take with him
on the pretext of producing armaments in a labour camp in
Czechoslovakia, and "buys" them from Goeth by playing on the
Commandant's avarice and stupidity. In a symbolic reversal of his
earlier purpose in life, he spends the money he made by exploiting the
labour of Jews in buying the lives of Jews; whatever is not spent in
bribing Goeth and other Nazi officials is subsequently spent in feeding
his workforce while producing armaments which are deliberately
sub-standard and therefore cannot be sold. Thus by the end of the war he
is completely broke, and, as a Nazi, on the run. What he does have,
however, is a character certificate signed by all his workers, and a
ring made from the denntal crown of one of the workers inscribed in
Hebrew with the saying: whoever saves one life saves the entire world.
This is a powerful film whose importance is not just historical. With
the resurgence of fascism im Europe, and its emergence in many other
parts of the world, it is a timely reminder of the overwhelmimg
degradation and ugliness hiding behind the high-sounding phrases of
fascist ideology, just as the bestial gang-rapes in Surat and other
places reveal the ugly face of Hindu chauvinism behind its religious
saffron mask. It is especially good that the film is showing in Hindi.
Only just over two years ago Bal Thackeray said in an interview, "Have
the Muslims behaved like the Jews in Nazi Germany? If so, there is
nothing wrong if they are treated as the Jews were in Nazi Germany." Do
viewers of the film agree with him? The Jews in the film are shown as
ordinary people who live, love and work like anyone else; only their
religious customs and beliefs are different from those of the majority
community. Is this a sufficient reason for the majority community to
exterminate them? The film depicts the moral degeneration of a society
that allows six million Jews to be wiped out; it shows in sickening
detail the repulsive character of those like Amon Goeth who carry out
Nazi policies. Ironically, although they regard members of the minority
community as less than human, it is they themselves who are sub-human -
so much so, that it seems an insult to animals to call them "brutes" or
"beasts".
Nazi Germany is a case where fascists achieved state power, and were
therefore able to carry out their inhuman policies without hindrance.
But they were around for a long time before they took over state power,
and Hitler was actually voted into office. How could so many people have
given their approval to such a monstrous regime? Why didn't people of
the majority community rise up in protest and stop the inhuman measures
taken against their fellow human beings? Perhaps one of the reasons
could be that the majority community already had deep-rooted prejudices
against the Jews. The film makes it clear that even if some Jews were
communal or fundamentalist, such a small minority could not possibly be a
threat to the whole of society; yet Nazi propaganda made out that they
were a threat, and people who already had anti-Semitic communal feelings
swallowed their lies.
It is important for us to be aware of how fascist movements operate,
because even if they don't achieve state power they can carry out
horrific atrocities, and if they do, it means brutalisation of a whole
society. A major part of their strategy is to enforce conformity and
stamp out difference. At first they concentrate on the most obvious
differences - in skin colour, ethnicity, language or religion - which
can only be stamped out by genocide of the people of the people with
these characteristics. Billie Holiday's moving song "Strange Fruit"
describes one such form of fascism, the American lynch mobs which could
not tolerate the existence of black people except as slaves:
Southern trees bear a strange fruit,
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root,
Black bodies swinging in the Southern breeze -
Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees.
The Nazis exterminated not only Jews but also minorities such as
gypsies. But the obsession with eliminating deviance goes much further.
Communists were high on their list of those to be eliminated, as they
are also on the RSS list. Ultimately any critical element, however mild,
has to be eliminated. Stamping out the right to be different entails
stamping out all freedoms: the laws of Nazi Germany, like those of
Apartheid South Africa, forbade mixed marriages.
While cases where fascist organisations have actually come to power are
limited in number, there are many more cases throughout the world where
they are gaining strength. In India, with such organisations already
holding power in some states and making a bid for power at the centre,
it is crucially important for us to ask ourselves: do we really want to
be plunged into universal brutality and ugliness? Perhaps this film will
make Hindu supremacists who share the chauvinist attitudes of the Nazis
ask themselves: are they, like Schindler, going to reform and become
human again? Or will they follow in the footsteps of Amon Goeth?
Shailendra Goswami
living in
one geographical area. Even the US is having problems with it's minorities. On a
side note
just think how long it took slavery to be abolished. The US always considered
itslef to be
a democratic nation .....even during slavery times when blacks were treated worse
than
animals. This, genocidal crap you're talking about, if it were really true, (not
that I'm denying
that people have been killed, but you talk as if every single person in India is
going around killing
any minority member as soon as he sees one) it won't take long to get rid of any
minority in India. For God's sake, if Germany could do it (6,000,000 Jews) if
Serbia is doing it, why couldn't India? Further, if there is any armed struggle in
the US, I bet you the US would supress it. Since you don't see any armed struggle
the US seems all such a cosey place for people like yoursleves. The US has shown
that it will do anything to preserve it's and other peoples' (e.g. Vietnam, now
Serbia) democratic principles. Look what happened when the Southern states of the
US tried to break away in order to keep slavery. There was a civil war and the
country was kept together. Many Southerneres don't like it but live with
it......many homes in the South still sport the Southern flag of the Confederocy!
With reference to your second comment, I said that there is no country that is
purely (hence
the word P-U-R-E-L-Y) homogeneous. You come up with one country, Japan, and then
say
that it's 99%+ pure.......hey joker, that is still not hundred percent. Which
brings me back to
what I was saying, there is no country that is purely i.e. 100% pure.
Punjabi Putt wrote:
> In article <37158E80...@compuserve.com>,
> Shailendra Goswami <sha_g...@compuserve.com> wrote:
> > Where do you live? What I mean by that is, which country do you live in?
>
> I live in Sakasthan.
>
> > not willing to live other communities. The US is a melting pot and will soon
> be
> > like India.
>
> Is "India" a melting pot? No, it's a genocidal fascist pot. Get off your
> Bharatiya high horse (or should I say high cow)...do you think you can
> actually compare "India" and the USA?
>
> Speaking of pot, how's Raghu doing?
>
> > So, I guess you'll have to go and live in a country all by yourself as there
> is
> > no country on
> > this earth that is purely homogeneous.
>
> Ever been to Japan? 99%+ of the pop is ethnically/linguistically/culturally
> Japanese. Ok, so it's not "purely" homogeneous, but very close.
>
> --Punjabi Putt
>
Shailendra Goswami
Sid Harth
My brother, what can I say, I like your style. I am married to my
style, sort of my skin, not a naturally or artificially developed
patina. My articles on Indian, especially Hindu, Brahmin mafia, not the
dreaded RSS, mind you, RSS is a small potato, all the Brahmins in India
and currently outside India working their silly, sad and soiled asses
off to serve as coolies to their lords and masters, guess what, the
white trash, American imperialists, Arab imperialists, British
imperialists, German former war mongers, Japanese former war mongers,
Australian former criminal colonists of Britain and such, have committed
worse crimes against the natives, the dark skinned Shudras and their
cousins, Tribals for three thousand five hundred years, continuously,
unabated.
Mumbai Marathi mafia 'el ser supremo,' Bal Thackeray, worships Hitler.
He bought nearly half the edition of Marathi translation of Hitler's
"Mein Kampf," and freely distributed to his village idiot slaves. RSS
founder, Keshav Baliram Hedgevar, a Telugu Brahmin living in Varhad
province was in love with Hitler. Hedgevar fashioned his heinous
organization, RSS, sort of Hitler's modified, dreaded, dangerous,
inhuman, secret, shady, "SS."
There were several Indian Schindlers, noblemen of all kinds, some of
them Brahmins, who tried to save the lives of thousand times more in
numbers, Shudras from being oppressed and subjected to the Brahmins'
dreaded, Manusmriti, "The Law of Brahmin supremacy."
Hitler, in turn, turned to these Heinous Hindus, Brahmins all, and
took inspiration from their fascist claim of superiority. Savitri Devi,
a foreigner to India, now dead, thank god, is an inspiration, sort of a
goddess, to the current white American supremacist.
I wrote many articles exposing the Hindu myth of superiority and their
denials of the reality. The reality is that Brahmins, and some
brainwashed Brahmin wannabes, refuse to admit their historical and the
current role in treating human beings of India, some thirty-nine million
strong, as slaves and subject to an invisible cruel and inhuman Brahmin
torture and subjugation, not to forget, the dehumanization of their own
brothers and sisters.
Sid Harth..."Talk about the elimination of the minority, Shudras and
Tribals, Hindu, Brahmin wrote the book, the book that made Hitler the
monster he became."
--
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1050/Hitler1.html
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1050/Hitler2.html
http://www.comebackkid.com/views.html
Sid Harth
Thanks to the Deccan Herald dated, April 16, 1999.
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/apr16/ntmary.htm
Thanks to the Madhya Pradesh Chronicle dated, April 16, 1999.
http://www.mpchronicle.com/daily/19990416/1604002.html
Thanks to the Dainik Jagaran dated, April 16, 1999.
http://www.jagran.com/160499/lucfrst.htm
http://www.jagran.com/160499/gorfrst.htm
http://www.jagran.com/160499/gorfrst.htm
http://www.jagran.com/160499/gorfrst.htm
http://www.jagran.com/160499/gorfrst.htm
http://www.jagran.com/160499/merfrst.htm
http://www.jagran.com/160499/delfrst.htm
Thanks to the Hindi Milap dated, April 16, 1999.
http://www.hindimilap.com/details.htm#news8
Thanks to the Navabharat dated, April 16, 1999.
http://www.navabharat.com/19990416/h1604901.html
Sid Harth..."Talk about the elimination of the minority, Shudras and
Tribals, Hindu, Brahmin wrote the book, the book that made Hitler the
monster he became."
--
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1050/Hitler1.html
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1050/Hitler2.html
http://www.comebackkid.com/views.html
>
> sha...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > A Review of "Schindler's List"
article snipped for brevity.
subi...@my-dejanews.com
gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7f4ugm$j8q$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> subi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > In article <7f3hlc$e43$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > > In article <Pine.SOL.4.05.99041...@rigel.oac.uci.edu>,
> > > Nitin Paul Batra <nba...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Gandasa-
> > > >
> > > > My best friend is a Gujarati Brahmin, and I know for certain that he does
> > > > not dislike or disrespect Kushans or Sakas in any way, shape, or form.
> >
> > Well, actually Nitin bhai, I am neither Gujrati nor Baahahahaman. But, in the
> > interests of fun, friendship and love, I would not mind being mistaken for
> > either .. or anything else for that matter.
>
> Subir De, you are a Bahman of the ancient 1925 RSS brand -
Gundasa, sweetie, you are a suffering suka of the silly kind, circa 1699,
Khulsa branded -
> why
> deny your dasya fudic roots from Gangasthan?
so why hide your fare, sweet, deeply romantic ass under the delicate sheets
of the Suckersthani shaga ?
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > Nitin Batra
> > > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the note Mr. Batra. As your know, I was responding to
> > > Pandit Subir De's hate diatribe on northwest's 200m Sakas.
> >
> > As may be noted, we are having a little fun with Sant gandasa's tremendous
>
> Have a banana, while swing through the next threads.
hahaha, what do you call a Sucka who is fascinated by swinging monkeys ? A a
poor suffering gundaasa !
Subir De. swinging high
>
> > love-lovely relationship with the South East's 50 or so 7%OC, and the entire
> > population of the Gangetic plains.
>
subi...@my-dejanews.com
sher singh <shersi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Another good one here for you: Look at a muslim and you see a Penis!!!
o pyare shere, that indeed was a sad and soiled one. You are disgrace to our
comedy club !
Subir De.
subi...@my-dejanews.com
gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Name the empires you conquered fuduram.
Name this, Name that. Truly a new theme of the great MahaSuca to spend time
playing with.
> Sakas are going to soon
> roast the Bhiya-Kirar's BharatGowhMata and set up their historical
> Sakasthan Federation.
Sure, the Great Sucas are all patiently waiting to board a 747 with their gas
grill from WalMart to grill us dhotis. Wonders at their patience. Not to
worry, they have agreed on the name of the glorius new nation -
Succa-Khalta's Union of the IndusGoraPita federated states. Their ruler ? The
Grate Khalasla Warrior Jernail Gundasa Pingh, of course !
>
> Coming back to the original question . . .
hahahaha, this joker cannot get enough of the company of us langurs !
> name any empire
> the self-invented "superior highest caste" Brahmin/Bania conquered!
Not another question ! Surely, our sweet Gundaasa will go down in Seka
History as the best questionnaire ever.
>
> We have all studied
> Kirar Social Science 000 and
> Kirar History 000!
hahaha, imagine this, a classroom of happy suca children shanting 'social
sains ko jeet hai' !
>
> So please name one!
on your knees already, eh ?
>
> >
> > > Their first ever 50yr "empire" is all
> > > based on tricks, slime and historical fraud.
> >
> > When one compares this with centuries of Saka empires based on
> > straight-forward gentle persuasion, lime juice and peaceful logic.
>
> But they were not built on spicy Kirar slime juice, I assure you.
But built on spicy suca salami instead ?
>
> > > But we
> > > noble 200m Sakas have grand plans and want it head, right shoulder
> > > chop and moma for a big Saka barbeque party.
> >
> > noble Saka ? 200mil Pujabi Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Afghanis, Dogras,
> > Kashmiris and Sindhis uniting together ? Strike me terror with a wet langoti,
> > I am wetting myself !!
>
> All of above would be 400 million fuduram.
oh grate sucka-ram, we would be happy and honored to add as many million to
your glorious team of sucas as your sweet hear desireth ....
>
> 200m are between Ganga border and Mohajir border!
hahaha, imagine this, the Great Beared Khaalasa Warrior leading his crew of
Jats, Pats, Lats, Amoris, Lals, Bhatias, Mohammeds, Dogras, Kangra, Lodhis,
Lalwanis to their glorious path to libation.
>
> >
> > > We will do a Vedic
> > > tandori roast by the bonfire and wash it down with our ancient
> > > desi-homa juice and do our glorious Bhangra . . . just as ordained
> > > by our ancient Vedic God Indra of Saptha Sindhva.
> >
> > hahaha, will that be vegeterian tandori for your vegeterian Sakas or would
> > that be halal tandoori for your Muslim Sakas ? As for Bhangra, would that be
> > drum-machine or straight dholok ? Better call Indra before you make plaaans
> > ..
>
> Dont worry about all this Bhiya! You wont be sent a invitation card
> while we are are enjoying the BharatGowhMata Barbeque!
Please don't worry your agitated little pugari, my gundaasa saint, you are
too thrilled with the idea of Indu-Khaalta-Pita-Suca nation and piece of ass
to care.
>
> Maybe after you evolve after a few chuha-janums, as ordained in
> holy pagerized post-11th century MahaSakaChoriBhiyaBharta.
hahaha, and become a piece of modern day Sant Sucke of post 1990 secular
theocracy of the Bara-Suca-Chota-pega-Curry nation that you so cherish in
your suca heart.
>
> >
> > >
> > > We are also very generous . . . Laloo Yadav and Mayavati Brigade of 40
> > > thieves will get BhartaMata's left moma to suckle on for a few centuries.
> >
> > arre bhai, there is no one more loving and giving that Saka peoples. sure you
> > guys don't have breasts or is it only other people have breasts ? we know, we
>
> I dont understand your "ka ka ka".
hahaha. When ideas of sex are embeded deep in circa 1699 morals, modern
understanding that sex is healthy becomes a little difficult to grasp.
> Je ne comprende pas.
Never been to Paris, we see. Too busy playing with the bandars, we understand.
> Menu teri samaj nahi-ayi!
poor Gundaasa, someone pass him few paisa for his cost.
>
> > know there are no theives in Saka Land.
>
> Wrong, Kirar Swadeshi and haram-khori thiefs are all over Sakaland.
oops, that hurt. Only Giant Walking Saints are members of the Suca Club.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Everything below the navel can be split between the majority Hindutva
> > > Muslims, Hindutva Christians, Hindutva Dalits and Hindutva Sudras.
> >
> > hahaha, everything below the navel is the fun part of life. Your disgust for
> > sex can only be matched with your lifelong obsession with all things
> > Hindoooooooo
> >
>
> Langura, were did you get my "disgust for . . ." !
hehehe, o Great Sant, remember 'below the navel' ? what have you got for
things below your navel ? Do your genitals disgust you so that you have to
compare all things nice and spice with them ? hahahaha.
>
> I bet all your SWEET shudras will have a lot of fun with Brahma's body parts
> after the Sakas are done!
ooo.. A betting sucka, we see ? Yet, another charming 'wait and see' torpedo
from the fighting Shaaka Forces. hahaha
Mo
world price , get subsidix=zed caol and fertilisers from the
rest of India -so its a double benefit and pay NO TAXES on
farm income and still think they are hard done by ! A
little bit of market forces would soon make them see the
light ..
Mo
The Sikhs sell their expensive wheat to Kirars at 50% ABOVE
the world price , get subsidized caol and fertilisers from
the rest of India -so its a double benefit and pay NO TAXES
on farm income and still think they are hard done by ! A
little bit of market forces would soon make them see the
light .
'experiencing the glow of freedom' -one should ask them what
rights do Hindu Punjabis whose land Indian Punjab was before
Sikhs refugees arrived in their millions from Pakistan ,
have that Sikhs dont ?
And this double talk of Jinnah saying Sikhs would be better
off in Pakistan and promising a secular state where all
would be free -well we know what that promise was worth when
the tribals were set on Sikh families within days of
independence..
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> And this double talk of Jinnah saying Sikhs would be better
> off in Pakistan and promising a secular state where all
> would be free
A few sikhs ho stayed in Pakistan were converted to Islam. That is
freedom of choice for you,
Punjabi Putt
Shailendra Goswami <sha_g...@compuserve.com> wrote:
> You retard, I'm only comparing the US to the extent that many communities are
> living in
> one geographical area. Even the US is having problems with it's minorities. On
And? So?
> animals. This, genocidal crap you're talking about, if it were really true,
(not
> that I'm denying
> that people have been killed, but you talk as if every single person in India
is
> going around killing
> any minority member as soon as he sees one) it won't take long to get rid of
Not every person needs to go around killing to make a genocide. Not every
German was involvled in killing Jews, nor is every Serbian involved in
killing Kosovars. So I think my "genocidal crap" is quite accurate.
any
> minority in India. For God's sake, if Germany could do it (6,000,000 Jews) if
> Serbia is doing it, why couldn't India? Further, if there is any armed
Yes, Germany did it, so "India" can also do it. That's what I've been saying
all along - a genocide did occur. You seem to agree with that. Yet above you
talk of "genocidal crap". Why are you contradicting what you just stated?
> the US, I bet you the US would supress it. Since you don't see any armed
Sorry, your 'bet' can not be the basis for any rational argument. Haven't you
been taught not to use counterfactual speculation?
> the US seems all such a cosey place for people like yoursleves. The US has
shown
> that it will do anything to preserve it's and other peoples' (e.g. Vietnam,
now
> Serbia) democratic principles. Look what happened when the Southern states of
"India" is not interested in democratic principles or human rights. Therefore
your comparison is null and void.
> With reference to your second comment, I said that there is no country that is
> purely (hence
I also stated that. Read what I said.
> the word P-U-R-E-L-Y) homogeneous. You come up with one country, Japan, and
then
Thank you for showing everyone you can spell. I'm very proud of you.
> say
> that it's 99%+ pure.......hey joker, that is still not hundred percent. Which
> brings me back to
> what I was saying, there is no country that is purely i.e. 100% pure.
Yes, but Japan is for all practical purposes homogeneous. The less than 1% of
the population has no significant role in the country. Just like one can not
drink 'pure' water, there might be a few atoms of sodium floating around. But
if you were to use that water in a chem lab it would react and behave just
like 'pure' water. Comprennez?
--Punjabi Putt
ke...@jps.net
> iv) calming Mauryas - a Saka dynasty - were Bhiyas
The Mauryas were from "Gangaland," not from Punjab.
Regards,
Paul Kekai Manansala
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9845/austric.htm
Shailendra Goswami
Punjabi Putt wrote:
> In article <3716F701...@compuserve.com>,
> Shailendra Goswami <sha_g...@compuserve.com> wrote:
> > You retard, I'm only comparing the US to the extent that many communities are
> > living in
> > one geographical area. Even the US is having problems with it's minorities. On
>
> And? So?
And so, I'm telling you that to that end, you can compare India and America. You
were
saying in your last posting that you could not compare the two. Further, the US has
problems
with it's minorites also, so does India. Every country does. You just have to try
and solve it
with reasonable persons from both sides.
>
>
> > animals. This, genocidal crap you're talking about, if it were really true,
> (not
> > that I'm denying
> > that people have been killed, but you talk as if every single person in India
> is
> > going around killing
> > any minority member as soon as he sees one) it won't take long to get rid of
>
> Not every person needs to go around killing to make a genocide. Not every
> German was involvled in killing Jews, nor is every Serbian involved in
> killing Kosovars. So I think my "genocidal crap" is quite accurate.
> minority in India. For God's sake, if Germany could do it (6,000,000 Jews) if
> Serbia is doing it, why couldn't India? Further, if there is any armed
Yes, Germany did it, so "India" can also do it. That's what I've been saying
all along - a genocide did occur. You seem to agree with that. Yet above you
talk of "genocidal crap". Why are you contradicting what you just stated?
No, I'm not saying that every person has to go around killing individuals. But you
have been saying that a state sponsored genocide has been going on. Which is utter
crap. State sponsored genocide was going on in Germany and is going on in Serbia.
The Indian government has not told it's population that all minorities should be
exterminated.
So, I'm not contradicting myself. No one in the world has said that a genocide is
taking place
in India except the minorities themselves. If genocide was taking place, then the
world would
have put all sorts of pressures on India to desist this appaling activity. It is you
who are contradicting
yourself by saying "Yes, Germany did it, so "India" can also do it. That's what I've
been saying
all along - a genocide did occur. You seem to agree with that. Yet above you
talk of "genocidal crap". I didn't say that India carried out genocide. I said yes
killings have occured
(I don't think you know the meaning of genocide) and these have been on both sides.
You agree
that Germany did it and India can also do it.......but it hasn't. Like I said
before, if India wanted to
do it, it would have done it. It wouldn't take them long and you wouldn't be here
asking for an
independent Punjab as there wouldn't be anyone in it!
> > the US, I bet you the US would supress it. Since you don't see any armed
>
> Sorry, your 'bet' can not be the basis for any rational argument. Haven't you
> been taught not to use counterfactual speculation?
What do you mean by the above statement? Just because you're unable to defend
your argument you're saying that it's a counterfactual speculation. I already told
you
that when the Southern states wanted to break away, the northern states declared
a war and prevented them from seceding! And it'll happen again if a similar
situation
arose.
> > the US seems all such a cosey place for people like yoursleves. The US has
> shown
> > that it will do anything to preserve it's and other peoples' (e.g. Vietnam,
> now
> > Serbia) democratic principles. Look what happened when the Southern states of
>
> "India" is not interested in democratic principles or human rights. Therefore
> your comparison is null and void.
Again you're unable to defend your argument so my comparison becomes null and void!
Of course it's interested in democratic priciples. Democracy doen't mean freedom to
do
what the hell you want. Any freedom comes within the constrraints of a framework.
Democracy
doesnot mean tha you should be allowed to be become independent if you want. Even in
the
US constitution they have clause "One nation under God, indivisible."
>
> > With reference to your second comment, I said that there is no country that is
> > purely (hence
>
> I also stated that. Read what I said.
>
> > the word P-U-R-E-L-Y) homogeneous. You come up with one country, Japan, and
> then
>
> Thank you for showing everyone you can spell. I'm very proud of you.
>
Well the spelling was for your benefit as you're unable to read and comprehend what
is
written.
>
> > say
> > that it's 99%+ pure.......hey joker, that is still not hundred percent. Which
> > brings me back to
> > what I was saying, there is no country that is purely i.e. 100% pure.
>
> Yes, but Japan is for all practical purposes homogeneous. The less than 1% of
> the population has no significant role in the country. Just like one can not
> drink 'pure' water, there might be a few atoms of sodium floating around. But
> if you were to use that water in a chem lab it would react and behave just
> like 'pure' water. Comprennez?
Like I said, that's one country out of how many in the world. And it's still not
pure.
And how pure are you?
How pure is the Sikh religion, with it's combination of Hindu and Islamic
ideologies?
And what about Guru Nanak? He came from a Hindu family. So I guess you hate his
parents too.
>
>
> --Punjabi Putt
Shailendra Goswami
India is a Fascist
Theocratic nation, as the sentiments of the Muslims would be hurt. If it isn't
allowed, then there's no
freedom of expression. With such narrow mindedness, one cannot get any logical
sense through such a thick skull. The muslims are already crying that Salman
Rushdie has been given a visa to visit India.
Now what will you say to that........there's no freedom of movement in the
country or, one cannot go and visit one's own country of origin?!?!?!?
Punjabi Putt wrote:
In article <37158F0E...@compuserve.com>,
Shailendra Goswami <sha_g...@compuserve.com> wrote:
> Perhaps because of the similar reasons why the Satanic Verses is banned in
most
> countries around the world, i.e. to prevent problems with jokers who have
similar
> thinking
> like yours.
Mr. Bharatiya fascist, ever hear of freedom of speech and expression?
Obviously that doesn't exist in your glorious BharatGowhMata...
No wonder "India" is such a large sewersthan.
--Punjabi Putt
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