Kashmiri Dogras? Were they sikhs or hindus?
-Y
"Dogras (rulers of Jammu and Kashmir) are Rajputs. They are
regarded to a branch of a well known Rajput clan. I think they
used to be Sikh, but their descendents are not Sikh."
Suminderpal Bedi wrote:
"Mr. Y don't think this much. You might just hurt your delicate
brain.
Now some proof please to back your claim."
Getting the proof might hurt my feet and fingers, because I will
need to walk over to my library and try to find exactly where I read
about it.
Dr. Karan Singh is not a Sikh (at least not in the usual sense).
However I have seen texts of old letters from the Dogra government
that start using Sikh invocations. Also I have seen Dogra rulers being
referred to as Sikhs in some places.
Can someone help?
Y
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Rajwinder Singh
>Can someone help?
>Y
Raja Dhiaan Singh Dogra is one of the biggest traitors in Indian
History. The destruction of the Lahore Empire after Maharaja Ranjeet
Singh's death was his handiwork in large part.
There have been other Sikh dogras. Even today there MAY be some.
While Dhiaan Singh was a traitor, I do not mean Dogras are. o
Another name that comes to mind is raja Gulaab Singh Dogra.
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Aukkha PahaRi
Dogras are not Kashmiris. The title of this thread is incorrect. There are
no Sikh Dogras. Neither Karan Singh nor any of his ancestors were Sikh.
Dogras belong to three castes only: Rajputs, Khatris and Brahmins. They speak
a Pahari language called Dogri. There are two types of Dogri - that of the
plains or Kandiyali Dogri and that of the hills or Pahari Dogri. Kandiyali has
some Punjabi influence but is still difficult to understand by Punjabi
speakers. In Jammu province, one is not regarded as Dogra even if one
speaks Dogri unless one belongs to a Dogra family. So, there are many people
with last names like Gupta or Jain who speak Dogri almost as a mother
tounge in Jammu city but they are still referred to as Punjabi. The same is
true of the few Sikhs who live in Jammu province. The hilly areas of Jammu are
almost exclusively inhabited by Dogras. Typical Dogra last names are: Samial,
Jamwal, Pathaniya and, of course, Dogra. The inhabitants of Chamba and other
hill districts are sometimes considered Dogra due to ethnic and language
affinities. Many Dogras are bilingual in Kashmiri, especially the ones that
live close to the valley. Contrary to popular perception in which Jammu city
is confused with Jammu province, Jammu province is a very hilly area. The
Dogri of the Pahar is considered to be the pure dialect and is unintelligible
to Punjabis. Dogri used to be written in a script called Takkri in old days.
There are two big occupations: the army and farming.
I will respond to all good-faith responses. Foul-mouths should save their
breath.
regards,
Aukha Pahari aka Mr. Kangra
Sharaf Khan
They were just nasty bastards (excuse my language).
Sharaf Khan
Gurupdesh Singh
define what a Hindu is. It is quite clear who a Sikh is -
one who belives in the oneness of God and Humanity and
believes in the teachings set down by the 10 living Gurus
from Guru Nanak to Guru Gobind.
It seems that the underlying agenda behind Brahmanical
Hinduism is the one spelled out in VarnaAshramDharma
- a socio/religious system in which 10% of Hindus
denigrate and exploit mercilessly the remaining 90%
by setting up superior and inferior pedigrees of humanity.
Is there anything more to Brahmanical Hinduism?