"Dr. Victor M. Rodriguez" <rodr...@home.com> wrote in message news:3BB2994...@home.com...Un ejemplo de como los verdaderos estadounidenses, los que aman la libertad y la democracia, despiertan y responden al llamado de justicia.Estos son los que merecen nuestro respeto y admiracion.
------------------The Chicago Tribune September 25, 2001
A Widow's Plea for Non-Violence
by Amber Amundson
My husband, Craig Scott Amundson, of the U.S. Army lost his life in the line
of duty at the Pentagon on Sept. 11 as the world looked on in horror and
disbelief.Losing my 28-year-old husband and father of our two young children is a
terrible and painful experience.His death is also part of an immense national loss and I am comforted by
knowing so many share my grief.But because I have lost Craig as part of this historic tragedy, my anguish
is compounded exponentially by fear that his death will be used to justify
new violence against other innocent victims.I have heard angry rhetoric by some Americans, including many of our
nation's leaders, who advise a heavy dose of revenge and punishment. To
those leaders, I would like to make clear that my family and I take no
comfort in your words of rage. If you choose to respond to this
incomprehensible brutality by perpetuating violence against other innocent
human beings, you may not do so in the name of justice for my husband. Your
words and imminent acts of revenge only amplify our family's suffering, deny
us the dignity of remembering our loved one in a way that would have made
him proud, and mock his vision of America as a peacemaker in the world
community.Craig enlisted in the Army and was proud to serve his county. He was a
patriotic American and a citizen of the world. Craig believed that by
working from within the military system he could help to maintain the
military focus on peacekeeping and strategic planning--to prevent violence
and war. For the last two years Craig drove to his job at the Pentagon with
a "visualize world peace" bumper sticker on his car. This was not empty
rhetoric or contradictory to him, but part of his dream. He believed his
role in the Army could further the cause of peace throughout the world.Craig would not have wanted a violent response to avenge his death. And I
cannot see how good can come out of it. We cannot solve violence with
violence. Mohandas Gandhi said, "An eye for an eye only makes the whole
world blind." We will no longer be able to see that we hold the light of
liberty if we are blinded by vengeance, anger and fear. I ask our nation's
leaders not to take the path that leads to more widespread hatreds--that
make my husband's death just one more in an unending spiral of killing.I call on our national leaders to find the courage to respond to this
incomprehensible tragedy by breaking the cycle of violence. I call on them
to marshal this great nation's skills and resources to lead a worldwide
dialogue on freedom from terror and hate.I do not know how to begin making a better world: I do believe it must be
done, and I believe it is our leaders' responsibility to find a way. I urge
them to take up this challenge and respond to our nation's and my personal
tragedy with a new beginning that gives us hope for a peaceful global
community.
Amber Amundson is the wife of the late Craig Scott Amundson, an enlisted
specialist in the Army.
--
Victor M. Rodriguez, Ph.D.
Diversity Consultant/Trainer
CrossCultural Dialogue
rodr...@home.com
"Dr. Victor M. Rodriguez"
"Roberto"
"Roberto" <robe...@prtc.net> wrote in message news:X4xs7.6323$ab2.5...@e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com...
"Rafael Héctor Pérez Roura" <rhpr...@att.net> wrote in message news:ePDs7.10199$WW.10...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Ponga al Ayatola de Californistán en el "killfile" como lo hecho yo.
El tendrá el derecho de expresarse, pero no tiene el derecho ni a ser
escuchado, ni leído, ni mucho menos, a ser acatado. Su tiempo ha
pasado. Sus piadoserías a nadie ya engañan.
Saludos,
P.
==========
Pedro O. Vega
http://www.nuevofederalista.org
"TDC" <t.del...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<LRxs7.12053$W8.10...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
O estas arrodillado besando la bota imperial o estas en contra de los EU.
Las distorsiones que has escrito sobre mi en este y otros foros constituyen difamacion.
Como ya le dije Profe, mantengase en sintonia para ver los resultados de la investigacion interna, estatal y federal sobre sus escritoS.
Uyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...
Jorge Franchi
Y ni te digo lo que le hacen a las nenas, porque es HORRIBLE, y ya lo han
contado aqui. Pero claro, nada de esto es importante para Victor, y ahora
Roberto. Lo importante es poder encontrar otra excusa para atacar a los
Estados Unidos y para continuar con su campan~a de mentiras y de
desprestigio.
Victor, tu tienes la mas minima idea de lo RIDICULO que te ves cuando coges
una palabrita, que NUNCA has usado en tu vida, la repites 500 veces en tus
mensajes por par de dias, y despues te buscas otra palabrita nueva para
repetirla 500 veces mas???
A eso se limita tu supuesto intelecto???
Que Pedro fue a tu casa a buscarte??? Diablos, Pedro, te pasaste!!!
Copia aqui la oracion donde Tomas "ataca a los Arabes"!!!
> Y ustedes con sus comentarios racistas...
Copia aqui los "comentarios racistas" de Tomas en su mensaje!!!
Estas perdido otra vez!!! Por eso solo te quedan las generalizaciones, y
luchar contra hombres de paja que tu mismo has levantado, porque no puedes
con los ARGUMENTOS VERDADEROS de todos los que hemos barrido el piso con tus
mas recientes ESTUPIDECES!!!
"Roberto" <robe...@prtc.net> wrote in message news:X4xs7.6323$ab2.5...@e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com...
RMeléndez
"Jimmo" <ji...@coqui.net> wrote in message
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Que yo sepa, Victor escribio un mensaje, al cual tu contestaste apoyando sus
argumentos, y añadiendo tu granito de arena con la historia de na "nena
quemada". Quien fue el que te metio entonces??? Te vas a poner tu tambien
a tirar la piedra y esconder la mano???
Te creia mas honrado!
En cuanto a "peleas irracionales", haste un search de las comparaciones al
Taliban, Hitler, Goerring, etc., a ver que nombre te sale como autor de
todos esos mensajes con argumentos "tan racionales"???
A ti te digo, el que se acuesta con perros, amanece con Victor!!!
"‡ArkhangeL DiE ElektrokuxiouN KoyotE VoN SataN De DieouX AlponiA‡"
Y donde esta esa "difamacion", inocente ovejita de la campiña???
Que yo sepa, Franchi dijo "mantengase en sintonia para ver los resultados",
pero no dijo cuales seran esos resultados! Si TU sabes que no hay nada
malo, entonces no puede haber resultado negativo, verdad???
Tu como que estas muy nerviosito ultimamente! Que paso, ya te llamaron???
--
TDC
"Roberto" <robe...@prtc.net>
No puedo hacer esto...porque a este tipo asi hay que continuar dandole el
frente donde quiera que esten...
La jodienda es que vive en EU...la gran ironia...y se atreve decirnos
terroristas...
--
TDC
"povega" no....que porqueria......
...mientras dure!!!
RMeléndez
"TDC" <t.del...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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NO-O-O-O-O-O, MUCHACHO!!! Si tu eres como una roca!!!
A proposito, ya te cansaste de pedirle a Peter que se "retracte" por hacerte
una pregunta sobre la gente que escribe anonimos???
Nerviosito, nerviosito, dando palos a ciegas!!!
"Dr. Victor M. Rodriguez" <rodr...@home.com> wrote in message news:3BB35502...@home.com...>Y si ustedes le creen a Pedro tengo un puente que les vendo baratito.Pedro Vega es diez mil veces mas creible que tu
>Pedro se ha destapado y se ha manifestado en todo su explendor derechista y xenofobico. Lo unico que le falta es ponerse >el uniforme y decir "Sieg Heil" al recibir la orden de matar inocentes...porque, que yo sepa, aun nadie ha juzgado en una >corte a los miles que moriran...verdad!
Bueno, uds se recuerdan como hace par de semanas, cuando Vic empezo con la cantaleta esa de que "voy a subir el nivel de discusion" yo les dije que en poco tiempo volveria con sus insultos asquerosos? Pues aqui lo tienen, ahora insultando a Pedro Vega. Al otro que le esta sacando el monstro ahora es a TDC, me imagino que es por aquello de que Vic no le gusta que TDC es respetuoso con todo el mundo............
>Las distorsiones que has escrito sobre mi en este y otros foros constituyen difamacion. Te has rebajado hasta el fondo de >la letrina.
Oye, ahora que estas usando tanto esa palabrita, te tengo una preguntita.
Que tu crees de la gente que viene y envia faxes anonimos pidiendo las cabezas de ciertos empleados? Tu sabes cual es el problema, verdad? Que los dichosos faxes no son tan anonimos na, porque dan el numero de donde fueron enviados......
But I digress; verdad que gente que hace eso de enviar faxes anonimos tienen que ser ratas humanas?
> Que tu crees de la gente que viene y envia faxes anonimos
> pidiendo las cabezas de ciertos empleados? Tu sabes cual
> es el problema, verdad? Que los dichosos faxes no son tan
> anonimos na, porque dan el numero de donde fueron enviados......
Esas cosas pasan cuando uno envia a personas no muy inteligentes a hacer el
trabajo sucio que un cobarde no se atreve hacer de frente.
> But I digress; verdad que gente que hace eso
> de enviar faxes anonimos tienen que ser ratas humanas?
Peter, yo exijo que te retractes y que ceses inmediatamente de insultar a
las RATAS comparandolas con individuos de esa calaña!!!
Sigan difamando.
Ya veo, pero TU si tienes derecho a apoyar a los que atacan a los
Israelitas, "Gringos" y a los que planifican el asesinato de civiles en
Estados Unidos??? Porque aqui el UNICO que ha demostrado ese comportamiento
eres TU, y ahora pretendes achacarselo a Franchi y a todos los demas que
barremos el piso contigo y tus estupideces a diario aqui!!!
Cuidado no te enredes con tu DOBLE VARA, Victor!!!
Si acaso, te implicaste tu solito, al salirte por el techo alegando
inocencia cuando nadie te acusaba de nada!!! Que torpe eres!!!
Es que el pobre diablo de Jimmo no puede vivir
si no es con las narizes en el fundillo del
el estimado doctor, de tanto caso que le hace.
Hay amores que matan Jimmo.
"Jimmo" <ji...@coqui.net> wrote in message
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Last words to hijackers:
Wear clean clothes and seek God's forgiveness
By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles
29 September 2001
This is what the hijackers who attacked New York
and Washington were apparently told in their final hours:
Make sure your body is clean and your
socks pulled straight inside your shoes.
Check you have your identity papers,
your ticket and your weapon.
Make sure nobody is following you.
Then,
"when the time of truth comes and zero hour arrives,
straighten out your clothes, open your chest and
welcome death for the sake of Allah".
Such was the chilling message contained in two
separate instruction manuals inadvertently left behind
by the hijackers, which have now been recovered by
investigators.
The documents, both handwritten in Arabic,
provide a unique insight into the psychological
state of the 19 men who took over the doomed
aircraft on 11 September, showing how meticulous
logistical preparation for the attacks was underscored
at every turn by spiritual exhortations and the promise
of paradise everlasting.
"Keep a very open mind, keep a very open heart
of what you are to face," reads one of the documents.
"You will be entering paradise.
You will be entering the happiest life, everlasting life ...
"Check all of your items -
your bag, your clothes, knives,
your will, your IDs, your passport, all your papers.
Check your safety before you leave ...
Make sure that nobody is following you ...
Make sure that you are clean,
your clothes are clean,
including your shoes."
These words were never intended for a wide audience.
If all had gone according to plan, the documents would
have been burnt up in the devastation unleashed by the
impact of the hijacked planes on their targets.
One, however, was recovered from the wreckage
of United Airlines flight 93, which crashed in rural
Pennsylvania. And the other was found in a bag
that should have been transferred at Boston airport
on to American Airlines flight 11 - which ploughed
into the north tower of the World Trade Centre -
but never made the connection.
The bag belonged to Mohamed Atta, who has emerged
as a crucial figure in the conspiracy and the only one of
the 19 named suspects known to have had contact with
all four hijacking crews.
It is not known what else investigators have found
in the bag, which was checked in at Portland, Maine,
early on 11 September where Atta and one fellow hijacker,
named as Abdulaziz Alomari, had spent the previous night.
It is also not known whether the five-page document
found in the bag was written by Atta himself or by
someone else.
Nevertheless, it makes for compelling reading,
explicitly addressing such issues as the hijackers'
fear of death and what they should do to get through
what they knew to be their last night on earth.
"Purify your heart and clean it from all earthly matters.
The time of fun and waste has gone.
The time of judgement has arrived.
Hence we need to utilise those few
hours to ask God for forgiveness,"
said the document,
extracts of which were published in
yesterday's Washington Post.
"You have to be convinced that those few
hours left you in your life are very few.
From there you will begin to live
the happy life, the infinite paradise.
Be optimistic.
The prophet was always optimistic."
The document urged the hijackers to pray, fast
and recite the Koran so that fear of death would recede:
"Everybody hates death, fears death.
But only those, the believers who know the life
after death and the reward after death, would
be the ones who will be seeking death."
Such rituals were to be followed in the morning, too:
"Try to pray the morning prayer with an open heart.
Don't leave but when you have washed for the prayer."
The last page of Atta's document was written on different
paper and included a doodle of a small sword with circles
and serpentine swirls drawn around its shaft, according
to The Washington Post.
This page listed prayers to be said on the plane itself.
When the hijackers stepped on board, they were to say:
"Oh God, open all doors for me.
Oh God who answers prayers and answers
those who ask you, I am asking you for your help.
I am asking you for forgiveness.
I am asking you to lighten my way.
I am asking you to lift the burden I feel."
The last prayer concluded:
"There is no God but God, I being a sinner.
We are of God, and to God we return."
The document recovered from the crash site in
Pennsylvania bore many similarities, with some
additional details.
It exhorted the hijackers to shave
their body hair the night before.
"Purify your head," it said.
"Cleanse it from dross ...
Be cheerful, for you have only moments between
you and your eternity, after which a happy and
satisfying life begins."
The message included a similar checklist,
but also suggested that clothes should be worn tight:
"This is the custom of the good predecessors.
Allah blessed them, for they tightened their clothes before battle.
Tighten your shoes well and wear tight
socks so they will not come out of the shoes."
Hijackers should say a prayer before embarking, it went on.
"Remember: it is a raid for the sake of Allah.
Recite the prayer.
As you take the seat, recite the prayer.
Mention Allah a lot."
When the hijacking begins,
"Shout Allah is great because this shout
strikes terrors in the hearts of the infidels,"
the document said.
And the moment of death should be accompanied by
the basic statement of belief recited by all Muslims at
the call to prayer:
"Seconds before the target, your last
words should be, there is no god but Allah.
Mohammed is his messenger."
Pero "difamando" a quien, Victor? Si ninguno de estos mensajes menciona el
nombre del MORON que envio los faxes "anonimos", ni del COBARDE que mando a
ese MORON a hacerlo???
Acaso conoces a alguno de los dos???
> las RATAS comparandolas con individuos de esa calaņa!!!
"Dr. Victor M. Rodriguez" <rodr...@home.com> wrote in message news:3BB4B701...@home.com...>Sigan difamando.A quien? Mira a ver si yo menciono nombres...............Una pregunta es una pregunta...........ahora, si tu te estas molestando, eso levanta la siguiente pregunta: Porque?
"Dr. Victor M. Rodriguez" <rodr...@home.com> wrote in message news:3BB35396...@home.com...>Mira Tomas, los ignorantes que atacan a los Arabes no saben que los araben son una minoria entre los musulmanes del >mundo. Hay mas musulmanes en Indonesia que en el Mediano Oriente.>Y ustedes con sus comentarios racistas solo demuestran su ignorancia y su total subjeccion a los EU.
Tu quieres decir comentarios como "los blancos solo confian en los blancos"??? Ese no lo hizo un estadista, sino todo un "Diversity Consultant".
BJUAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAA
I'm telling you, if this guy wasn't so dangerous, he would be a JOKE!!!
Pues que se des-enamore...lol
Sigan, mi tolerancia por estos abusos tiene su limite. La libre expresion, tiene sus limites.
La solidaridad intra-racial es una dato que todos conocen, menos tu....
Pero entonces no presenta ese supuesto mensaje donde el dice que yo dije
eso. Vieron como funciona ese estilito tan peculiar de Victor??? Basta con
lanzar al aire la acusacion, y entonces la mera acusacion se convierte en la
"evidencia". Ahora se supone que yo pruebe que yo NO envie ese mensaje, en
vez de el probar que yo SI lo envie.
Bendito, pobrecito Victor, que todo el mundo lo "difama". GROW UP!!!
Tu sobrepasaste el limite de toleracia de muchos aqui hace tiempo, para
ahora venir a arroparte con la bandera de "victima". Tus debiles esfuerzos
de "Damage Conrol" te revelan como el ruin y deshonesto ser que eres. Como
dijo Peter, has caido en niveles subterraneos que ni siquiera imaginabamos
que existian. Y desde alli contnuas haciendo dan~o, y continuas llorando
pa' que te cojan pena.
Ni tu mismo te lo crees!!!
"Dr. Victor M. Rodriguez" <rodr...@home.com> wrote in message news:3BB5FAE2...@home.com...
>La solidaridad intra-racial es una dato que todos conocen, menos tu....
BJUAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA!!! Ahora es que es "solidaridad intra-racial". BJUAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA!!!Mano, a pesar de tu racismo, complejos y loquera, a la verdad que te inventas unas cosas que es para morirse de la risa.Dejate de cuentos chico, que lo que escribistes no es sino el comentario de un racista empedernido, no trates de darle un varniz academico........
"Dr. Victor M. Rodriguez" <rodr...@home.com> wrote in message news:3BB5FA63...@home.com...
>Tengo un mensaje tuyo donde me difamas diciendo que yo se o fui parte un complot para enviarte un fax anonimamente.
Anda pa'l cirete, Jaime te acuso de hacer eso? Perish the thought.Oye, y porque no posteas el mensaje de Jaime, para ver que fue lo que te dijo......>Como muy bien dijiste, no hay faxes anonimos. Ni es mi estilo ni soy tan bruto como los miembros del Tlaiban Estadista >que han perpetrado actos contra mi.Aparte de recordarte de tus hipocresias, incongruencias y errores, que mas te han hecho los estadistas de este foro?