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Uergil
May 29, 2012, 7:58:00 PM5/29/12
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And conversely!
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"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson
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"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson
Fred M. McNeill
May 29, 2012, 8:58:01 PM5/29/12
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On Tue, 29 May 2012 17:58:00 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>And conversely!
What about the science of stories. 'Humans' do them,
thus they have physical and information structure basis(brains),
thus they are measurable and subjects of scientific
analysis and theory. Stories have their function, even
'God' stories. The place is a mystery, 'humans' tend to
personification stories. ETs, AIs, and SIs probably do
the same.
Please argue from understanding, not agenda.
>And conversely!
What about the science of stories. 'Humans' do them,
thus they have physical and information structure basis(brains),
thus they are measurable and subjects of scientific
analysis and theory. Stories have their function, even
'God' stories. The place is a mystery, 'humans' tend to
personification stories. ETs, AIs, and SIs probably do
the same.
Please argue from understanding, not agenda.
Don Stockbauer
May 30, 2012, 12:48:23 AM5/30/12
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and religion become one.
Uergil
May 30, 2012, 1:14:36 AM5/30/12
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In article
<af80426d-f218-4dec...@i19g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
The Universe qua universe does not seem to require any worship of itself.
<af80426d-f218-4dec...@i19g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Don Stockbauer
May 30, 2012, 8:14:36 AM5/30/12
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On May 30, 12:14 am, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
> In article
> <af80426d-f218-4dec-a69f-ce93c11e1...@i19g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> In article
> <af80426d-f218-4dec-a69f-ce93c11e1...@i19g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> Don Stockbauer <donstockba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > On May 29, 7:58 pm, Fred M. McNeill <mmcne...@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 29 May 2012 17:58:00 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
> > > >And conversely!
>
> > > What about the science of stories. 'Humans' do them,
> > > thus they have physical and information structure basis(brains),
> > > thus they are measurable and subjects of scientific
> > > analysis and theory. Stories have their function, even
> > > 'God' stories. The place is a mystery, 'humans' tend to
> > > personification stories. ETs, AIs, and SIs probably do
> > > the same.
>
> > > Please argue from understanding, not agenda.
>
> > What if God and the Universe are identical (Pantheism)? Then science
> > and religion become one.
>
> The Universe qua universe does not seem to require any worship of itself.
Who mentioned worship? I'm talking about states.
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> > On May 29, 7:58 pm, Fred M. McNeill <mmcne...@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 29 May 2012 17:58:00 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
> > > >And conversely!
>
> > > What about the science of stories. 'Humans' do them,
> > > thus they have physical and information structure basis(brains),
> > > thus they are measurable and subjects of scientific
> > > analysis and theory. Stories have their function, even
> > > 'God' stories. The place is a mystery, 'humans' tend to
> > > personification stories. ETs, AIs, and SIs probably do
> > > the same.
>
> > > Please argue from understanding, not agenda.
>
> > What if God and the Universe are identical (Pantheism)? Then science
> > and religion become one.
>
> The Universe qua universe does not seem to require any worship of itself.
Dare
May 30, 2012, 10:24:07 AM5/30/12
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"Uergil" <Uer...@uer.net> wrote in message news:Uergil-6EED3A....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
> And conversely!
Maybe they're both illusions?...
or aspects of the same "something"
> And conversely!
Maybe they're both illusions?...
or aspects of the same "something"
Don Stockbauer
May 31, 2012, 9:09:30 AM5/31/12
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On May 30, 9:24 am, "Dare" <clydad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Uergil" <Uer...@uer.net> wrote in messagenews:Uergil-6EED3A....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
> "Uergil" <Uer...@uer.net> wrote in messagenews:Uergil-6EED3A....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
> > And conversely!
>
> Maybe they're both illusions?...
> or aspects of the same "something"
Maybe you're an illusion.
>
> Maybe they're both illusions?...
> or aspects of the same "something"
Dare
May 31, 2012, 9:45:28 AM5/31/12
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"Don Stockbauer" <donsto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes!...an example of Sir Frederick's "Self-qualia."
news:e01e9e36-8edd-4015...@fr28g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
Fred M. McNeill
May 31, 2012, 11:09:49 AM5/31/12
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There is 'something' there, but that's
part of the mystery. Even the 'representation'
is a something. Then, why is there anything
at all?
"Illusion" may imply that the 'something'
is not there, where 'representation'
demands some sensory processes into
the information structures.
What hath 'God' wrought?
Don Stockbauer
May 31, 2012, 11:02:19 PM5/31/12
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On May 31, 10:09 am, Fred M. McNeill <mmcne...@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 May 2012 09:45:28 -0400, "Dare" <clydad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >"Don Stockbauer" <donstockba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> On Thu, 31 May 2012 09:45:28 -0400, "Dare" <clydad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >"Don Stockbauer" <donstockba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:e01e9e36-8edd-4015...@fr28g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> >On May 30, 9:24 am, "Dare" <clydad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Uergil" <Uer...@uer.net> wrote in messagenews:Uergil-6EED3A....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
> >> > > And conversely!
>
> >> > Maybe they're both illusions?...
> >> > or aspects of the same "something"
>
> >> Maybe you're an illusion.
>
> >Yes!...an example of Sir Frederick's "Self-qualia."
>
> More a representation than "illusion".
> There is 'something' there, but that's
> part of the mystery. Even the 'representation'
> is a something. Then, why is there anything
> at all?
>
> "Illusion" may imply that the 'something'
> is not there, where 'representation'
> demands some sensory processes into
> the information structures.
>
> What hath 'God' wrought?
Iron.
> >On May 30, 9:24 am, "Dare" <clydad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Uergil" <Uer...@uer.net> wrote in messagenews:Uergil-6EED3A....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
> >> > > And conversely!
>
> >> > Maybe they're both illusions?...
> >> > or aspects of the same "something"
>
> >> Maybe you're an illusion.
>
> >Yes!...an example of Sir Frederick's "Self-qualia."
>
> More a representation than "illusion".
> There is 'something' there, but that's
> part of the mystery. Even the 'representation'
> is a something. Then, why is there anything
> at all?
>
> "Illusion" may imply that the 'something'
> is not there, where 'representation'
> demands some sensory processes into
> the information structures.
>
> What hath 'God' wrought?
Yap
Jun 1, 2012, 12:09:21 AM6/1/12
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and have angels to play with.
Universe have empty space, billions of planet and places unreachable
or inhabitable to human.
There is a vast difference.
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