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coaste...@yahoo.com

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Nov 24, 2009, 6:36:43 PM11/24/09
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Holland to probe if Ahava products made on occupied land

11.18.2009 | YNet

According to Socialist Party website, Dutch foreign minister intends
to investigate whether Dead Sea cosmetic company’s products sporting
label ‘Made in Israel’ are manufactured on ‘occupied’ territory
Meirav Crystal

It seems as though not everyone in Holland is thrilled with Ahava
beauty products. In a discussion held in the Dutch parliament a few
days ago, Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen agreed to launch an
investigation of the Dead Sea company’s products marketed in Holland
in order to ascertain whether they are manufactured in Palestinian
territory held by Israel, according to the Dutch Socialist Party’s
website.

According to the report, Verhagen acted at the behest of Socialist
Party parliament member Harry van Bommel to check whether the products
exported to Holland under the Israeli flag in actuality “create
revenue for the occupier.”

The site claims that van Bommel explained in the discussion that “This
issue stands in the way of reaching a fair, honest, and just solution
to the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.”

The accusation against Ahava is that the company manufactures cosmetic
products in a lab located in Mitzpe Shalem, a kibbutz on the western
bank of the Dead Sea and uses minerals suspected of being
Palestinian.

The company’s products are exported to Holland with the stamp “Made in
Israel,” but, according to the Dutch socialists, the territory on
which the products are manufactured does not belong to the State of
Israel. The kibbutz is located on the northwest shores of the Dead
Sea.

If it will be found that the Ahava products are made on occupied
territory, Bommel said that he “will call for a boycott of these
products” because selling them “violates international law that
forbids an occupying power from selling products whose raw materials
belong to the occupied nation under its name.”

What do they want from Ahava?

This is not the first time noise has been made in Holland about the
cosmetics company. A group known as the Badjassen Brigade, which
regularly organizes protests against “the Israeli occupation of the
Palestinian territories,” held demonstrations in the past outside
stores that sell Ahava products. They called the protest campaign
“Stolen Beauty” (”Gestolen Schoonheid”).

The group is trying to prevent Ahava from opening a chain of sales
points in Holland. Their initiative is being undertaken in
collaboration with a weekly wellness television program called “Health
Works,” that is broadcast on RTL4.

The companies actions have drawn attention recently from groups, some
of them temporary, who oppose the Israeli government’s policies.
British charity organization Oxfam cancelled a contract with model
Kristin Davis after she signed a contract to be a spokesperson for
Ahava products. Left-wing activists broke into Ahava’s London offices
and locked themselves in for a number of hours.

This recent publicity was not wasted on the Gush Shalom movement,
whose spokesperson quickly sent a communiqué Monday to Ahava CEO
Yaakov Ellis expressing his concern for Ahava’s state of affairs.

It is about time that you read the writing on the wall and start
making practical arrangements to leave the occupied territories and
return to the sovereign borders of the State of Israel,” the peace
movement wrote.

“Your decision to locate yourselves on occupied land and exploit the
natural resources that do not belong to the State of Israel was a
mistaken gamble that has already harmed you and brought about the
worst damage to your business. Sooner or later, you will need to leave
this illegal and harmful location, and the sooner you do so, the
better, both for Ahava and its business and for the State of Israel
and the future of the Middle East that necessitates making peace with
the Palestinians.”

Gush Shalom even went to the trouble of finding an alternative factory
for the cosmetics company. “There is a long beach south of Ein Gedi
that is under Israeli sovereignty,” said an organization spokesperson
to Ynet. “Move it there and no one will make claims against you
anywhere in the world.”

Ahava reported in response: “The Dead Sea and its treasures are
international and do not belong to one nation. The Ahava company
develops beauty products based on minerals from the Dead Sea that are
mined from authorized areas. Our activities are undertaken while
preserving the beauty of the region and the resources tucked away in
it.

The company was founded out of love for the magical environs of the
Dead Sea and throughout the years has been driven by a deep passion to
reveal the secrets of the minerals’ rejuvenating effects on the skin.
Therefore, the natural location of the factory is along the western
shore of the Dead Sea.”

mirjam

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Nov 25, 2009, 1:05:55 AM11/25/09
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Oil_Company
interestng reaction from a country that made it`s wealth exploiting
Oil / tea / cacao from other countries

Fish Supper

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Nov 25, 2009, 10:17:37 AM11/25/09
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"mirjam" <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote in message
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Oil_Company
> interestng reaction from a country that made it`s wealth exploiting
> Oil / tea / cacao from other countries

typical zionist response. Rather than deal with the probabilty that Israel
is yet again breaking international law you prefer to start taking punches
at Holland, a nation whose human rights record and civilised behaviour is on
a different planet to Israel. Is there any country that would be saved from
your petulance?

last_per...@yahoo.com

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Nov 25, 2009, 12:01:31 PM11/25/09
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On Nov 25, 10:17 am, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
> "mirjam" <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote in message
>
> news:e54c7eb7-6446-47f2...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Oil_Company
> > interestng reaction from a country that made it`s wealth exploiting
> > Oil / tea / cacao from other countries
>
> typical zionist response. Rather than deal with the probabilty that Israel
> is yet again breaking international law you prefer to start taking punches
> at Holland, a nation whose human rights record and civilised behaviour is on
> a different planet to Israel.

Dodge, lies and denial, the ZioNazi playbook.

Fish Supper

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Nov 25, 2009, 6:29:31 PM11/25/09
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***
you forgot 'deflect' and 'deceive' - oh, and 'murder'

coaste...@yahoo.com

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Nov 25, 2009, 7:41:19 PM11/25/09
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On Nov 25, 6:29 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
> <last_permutat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

One can't forget that for the settlers at least the term "murder" does
not apply to the children of Palestinians.

RabbiJoekerr

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Nov 25, 2009, 7:58:59 PM11/25/09
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On Nov 25, 10:17 am, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
> "mirjam" <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote in message
>
> news:e54c7eb7-6446-47f2...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Oil_Company
> > interestng reaction from a country that made it`s wealth exploiting
> > Oil / tea / cacao from other countries
>
> typical zionist response. Rather than deal with the probabilty that Israel
> is yet again breaking international law you prefer to start taking punches
> at Holland, a nation whose human rights record and civilised behaviour is on
> a different planet to Israel.

Yes as holland's many former victims will attest....

RabbiJoekerr

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Nov 25, 2009, 8:00:28 PM11/25/09
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> Dodge, lies and denial, the ZioNazi playbook.

oh look the self proclaimed gay boy-toy lofts yet another stupid post
yaaaawn! Still hurting the ass whipping you took for your dimwitted
religion post poor idiot? BWAHAHAHAHAR!

Fish Supper

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Nov 25, 2009, 10:13:32 PM11/25/09
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"icono...@yahoo.com" <coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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***
or indeed, the parents of the children of Palestinians. For the Israeli
settlers, the terminology and behaviour of normal civilised societies is an
alien concept. For the Palestinians, read the Native Americans; for the
zionist settlers, read the white frontiers people who murdered and scalped
their way across a continent, whilst their government made and broke
promises faster than an IDF battalion in retreat from Hezbollah; for zionist
propaganda, read John Wayne Movies where the cavalary comes to the rescue of
white settlers, massacring the native peoples whose land is being stolen -
the paralllels are too numerous to draw.

Fish Supper

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Nov 25, 2009, 10:16:16 PM11/25/09
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"RabbiJoekerr" <jokerso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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***
I don't recall Holland mounting invasions of its neighbours or committing
war crimes against the Belgians or using white phosphorous against Germans.
Maybe, instead of deflecting onto Holland - a country which hosts the
International Criminal Court - you might want to consider Israeli war
crimes? No? There's a surprise.


coaste...@yahoo.com

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Nov 27, 2009, 3:16:45 PM11/27/09
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On Nov 25, 10:13 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
> "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Don't forget the reservation gulags.

dsharavi

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Nov 27, 2009, 6:26:27 PM11/27/09
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The Netherlands imports far more products from China than it does from
Israel. Do you see the Dutch whinging about China's dismal humn rights
record? its trade in endangered animals? its defective, toxic
products? the fact that its economic expansion has contributed to
environmental destruction, notably air pollution (cause of over 1
million premature deaths per year), soil erosion, steady fall of the
water table, loss of arable land? that it contains one of the ten most
polluted rivers and the two most polluted cities in the world?

Nah. Nothing important enough to the Dutch to worry themselves about.

Deborah

coaste...@yahoo.com

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Nov 28, 2009, 4:23:17 PM11/28/09
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What would you do without anti-Semitism, Deborah? What would you do
without the Holocaust Industry? Just think. No special dispensations.
No exemptions from the rules the rest of us live by. No ability to
induce artificial shame in innocent people and to silence them when
they raise questions of morals or ethics. Wouldn't it be awful to be
so common, so unprivileged, so normal as a people or a country?

RabbiJoekerr

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Nov 28, 2009, 8:11:15 PM11/28/09
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On Nov 25, 10:16 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
> "RabbiJoekerr" <jokersotherm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>
> news:ee7cb95d-f40e-44fb...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 25, 10:17 am, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
> > "mirjam" <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote in message
>
> >news:e54c7eb7-6446-47f2...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Oil_Company
> > > interestng reaction from a country that made it`s wealth exploiting
> > > Oil / tea / cacao from other countries
>
> > typical zionist response. Rather than deal with the probabilty that Israel
> > is yet again breaking international law you prefer to start taking punches
> > at Holland, a nation whose human rights record and civilised behaviour is
> > on
> > a different planet to Israel.
>
> Yes as holland's many former victims will attest....
>
> ***
> I don't recall Holland mounting invasions of its neighbours or committing
> war crimes

Yeah most morons like you are totally ignorant of history. No surprise
there!

RabbiJoekerr

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Nov 28, 2009, 8:12:23 PM11/28/09
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On Nov 28, 4:23 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> On Nov 27, 6:26 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 24, 10:05 pm, mirjam <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote:
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Oil_Company
> > > interestng reaction from a country that made it`s wealth exploiting
> > > Oil / tea / cacao from other countries
>
> > The Netherlands imports far more products from China than it does from
> > Israel. Do you see the Dutch whinging about China's dismal humn rights
> > record? its trade in endangered animals? its defective, toxic
> > products? the fact that its economic expansion has contributed to
> > environmental destruction, notably air pollution (cause of over 1
> > million premature deaths per year), soil erosion, steady fall of the
> > water table, loss of arable land? that it contains one of the ten most
> > polluted rivers and the two most polluted cities in the world?
>
> > Nah. Nothing important enough to the Dutch to worry themselves about.
>
> > Deborah
>
>  What would you do without anti-Semitism,


poor moron if only you could post an intelligent response... how
typical!

coaste...@yahoo.com

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Nov 28, 2009, 10:14:58 PM11/28/09
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She understands it.

Fish Supper

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Nov 28, 2009, 10:59:24 PM11/28/09
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"RabbiJoekerr" <jokerso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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***

Yawn...run along now.

dsha...@yahoo.com

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Nov 28, 2009, 11:12:01 PM11/28/09
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> > On Nov 24, 10:05 pm, mirjam <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote:
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Oil_Company
> > > interestng reaction from a country that made it`s wealth exploiting
> > > Oil / tea / cacao from other countries
>

> On Nov 27, 6:26 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > The Netherlands imports far more products from China than it does from
> > Israel. Do you see the Dutch whinging about China's dismal humn rights
> > record? its trade in endangered animals? its defective, toxic
> > products? the fact that its economic expansion has contributed to
> > environmental destruction, notably air pollution (cause of over 1
> > million premature deaths per year), soil erosion, steady fall of the
> > water table, loss of arable land? that it contains one of the ten most
> > polluted rivers and the two most polluted cities in the world?
>
> > Nah. Nothing important enough to the Dutch to worry themselves about.
>
> > Deborah
>

On Nov 28, 1:23 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
wrote:


>What would you do without anti-Semitism, Deborah?

What would YOU do without it, H? Losing yours might help you deal with
facts straight on. Good heavens, it might even help you address the
subject at issue rather than veer off on unrelated tangents. Radical
thought!

Deborah


coaste...@yahoo.com

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Nov 29, 2009, 12:04:54 AM11/29/09
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The gist of your post is that the Dutch are picking on poor Israel
unfairly because of anti-Semitism. It is your constant leit motiv. Get
over it. Stand on your own feet.

dsha...@yahoo.com

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Nov 29, 2009, 1:59:51 AM11/29/09
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> > > > On Nov 24, 10:05 pm, mirjam <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote:
> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Oil_Company
> > > > > interestng reaction from a country that made it`s wealth exploiting
> > > > > Oil / tea / cacao from other countries
>
> > > On Nov 27, 6:26 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > The Netherlands imports far more products from China than it does from
> > > > Israel. Do you see the Dutch whinging about China's dismal humn rights
> > > > record? its trade in endangered animals? its defective, toxic
> > > > products? the fact that its economic expansion has contributed to
> > > > environmental destruction, notably air pollution (cause of over 1
> > > > million premature deaths per year), soil erosion, steady fall of the
> > > > water table, loss of arable land? that it contains one of the ten most
> > > > polluted rivers and the two most polluted cities in the world?
>
> > > > Nah. Nothing important enough to the Dutch to worry themselves about.
> > > > Deborah
>
> > On Nov 28, 1:23 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >What would you do without anti-Semitism, Deborah?

> > What would YOU do without it, H? Losing yours might help you deal with
> > facts straight on. Good heavens, it might even help you address the
> > subject at issue rather than veer off on unrelated tangents. Radical
> > thought!
> > Deborah

On Nov 28, 9:04 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
wrote:


> The gist of your post is that the Dutch are picking on poor Israel
> unfairly because of anti-Semitism.

As opposed to the gist of your original post ,which is, of course, in
addition to being antisemitic, is your usual bullshit. And noted, of
course, is your usual inability to respond to it in an intelligent
manner.

Deborah

Aaronovich

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Nov 29, 2009, 7:43:15 PM11/29/09
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BRAVO!!!!!!


Aaronovich

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Nov 29, 2009, 7:45:04 PM11/29/09
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"RabbiJoekerr" <jokerso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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But a response was not required. He asked a question. It is the woman who
needs to post a response.

You should give up posting. Every post you make shows you to be a
hatefilled, uneducated buffoon.

Aaronovich

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"dsha...@gmail.com" <dsha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > On Nov 24, 10:05 pm, mirjam <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote:
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Oil_Company
> > > interestng reaction from a country that made it`s wealth exploiting
> > > Oil / tea / cacao from other countries
>

> On Nov 27, 6:26 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > The Netherlands imports far more products from China than it does from
> > Israel. Do you see the Dutch whinging about China's dismal humn rights
> > record? its trade in endangered animals? its defective, toxic
> > products? the fact that its economic expansion has contributed to
> > environmental destruction, notably air pollution (cause of over 1
> > million premature deaths per year), soil erosion, steady fall of the
> > water table, loss of arable land? that it contains one of the ten most
> > polluted rivers and the two most polluted cities in the world?
>
> > Nah. Nothing important enough to the Dutch to worry themselves about.
>
> > Deborah
>
On Nov 28, 1:23 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>What would you do without anti-Semitism, Deborah?

>What would YOU do without it, H?

Answer the question, please. Do not do the Jew think of answering a question
with another question. It is dishonest and deceitful.

Aaronovich

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"dsha...@gmail.com" <dsha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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You are ranting. You have lied. You are a disgrace.

dsharavi

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Nov 29, 2009, 8:07:42 PM11/29/09
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> > > On Nov 24, 10:05 pm, mirjam <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote:
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Oil_Company
> > > > interestng reaction from a country that made it`s wealth exploiting
> > > > Oil / tea / cacao from other countries
>
> > On Nov 27, 6:26 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > The Netherlands imports far more products from China than it does from
> > > Israel. Do you see the Dutch whinging about China's dismal humn rights
> > > record? its trade in endangered animals? its defective, toxic
> > > products? the fact that its economic expansion has contributed to
> > > environmental destruction, notably air pollution (cause of over 1
> > > million premature deaths per year), soil erosion, steady fall of the
> > > water table, loss of arable land? that it contains one of the ten most
> > > polluted rivers and the two most polluted cities in the world?
>
> > > Nah. Nothing important enough to the Dutch to worry themselves about.
> > > Deborah
>
> On Nov 28, 1:23 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >What would you do without anti-Semitism, Deborah?


> "dshar...@gmail.com" <dshar...@yahoo.com> wrote


> >What would YOU do without it, H?


On Nov 29, 4:46 pm, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
> Answer the question, please.

Why?

>Do not do the Jew think of answering a question
> with another question.

Why not?

>It is dishonest and deceitful.

How so?

Deborah


Aaronovich

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Nov 29, 2009, 8:10:10 PM11/29/09
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"dsharavi" <dsha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It is the polite thing to do.


>
>>Do not do the Jew think of answering a question
>> with another question.
>
> Why not?

It is impolite and improper.


>
>>It is dishonest and deceitful.
>
> How so?

You use it.

>
>


coaste...@yahoo.com

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Dec 1, 2009, 4:16:55 PM12/1/09
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My original post came directly from Ynet. Nothing in it whatever is
attributable to me. If it has a "gist" it is the author's.

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