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FOR WEAK NATIONS THE UNITED NATIONS IS A WHIP TO BEAT THEM INTO SERVITUDE AND OBEDIENCE

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Aviroce

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Nov 27, 2009, 10:01:02 PM11/27/09
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FOR WEAK NATIONS THE UNITED NATIONS IS A WHIP TO BEAT THEM INTO
SERVITUDE AND OBEDIENCE
By Aviroce

The Honorable President Barack Husein Obama visited the Great Wall of
China. He was fascinated by the humongous structure. One should
wonder who built such a structure. I hope the Chinese told him who
did. History tells us that the Great Wall of China was built by the
Chinese who suffered death end of their working time. The Chinese
never wanted to tell anyone how the Wall was built. Even if he
visited the army of soldiers that China prides itself to show, great
art of Chinese sculpture, and wonder who these statues represent, he
should not be surprised that these statues, unique in every way,
represent real people, real soldiers who were slaughtered end of the
sculptures. This brings us to Iraq and Iran.

When the Israelis and the United States of America planned to destroy
Iraq and its nuclear programs, they had full knowledge of the blue
prints of the underground structures for the prospective nuclear
facilities. Thanks to the German engineers Iraq trusted who betrayed
Iraq by delivering these blue prints to the Israelis and the
Americans. Iraq has become rubble and the United States of America
has colonized the country after killing about one million Iraqis, and
seriously injuring over four millions and displacing over ten
millions. The Honorable President Saddam Husein should have killed
the German engineers after building the maze; may be accidental death.

Iran seems to have learned from these lessons. In a letter to UN
inspection group, Iran says “Soltanieh suggested his country could in
future further restrict IAEA access to its nuclear activities, arguing
that leaks to the media of confidential information "pose security
threat(s) against the Islamic Republic of Iran's nuclear facilities
and activities." Indeed, knowledge of the facility whatever the
facility is designed to do is a threat to Iran and Iran should not
invite the UN commission to inspect it. After all whatever Iran is
going to do short of stopping work on nuclear development is not
acceptable to Western powers as these powers want to have full
hegemony, absolute control, over world resources to stay the victors
of WWII in “perpetuity.” What the general public fail to see is the
fact that the United Nations is an organization designed to keep the
WWII victors in absolute power. The United Nations is an instrument
of Western power. It is never a neutral organization to enforce what
is deemed “right” and punish what is deemed “wrong.” For the weak
nations, the United Nations is a whip to beat them into obedience and
servitude. In Palestine, the United Nations has become the “Evil” to
displace what is now eight million Palestinians, kill about one
million Palestinians in a hundred year war, and spread fear and terror
among Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims. The United Nations does not
mind using members of these nations to do its dirty jobs.
Aviroce

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Diplomats: Iran censured at UN nuclear meeting
By GEORGE JAHN, Associated Press
VIENNA – The board of the U.N. nuclear watchdog censured Iran on
Friday, with 25 nations backing a resolution that demands Tehran
immediately freeze construction of its newly revealed nuclear facility
and heed Security Council resolutions calling on it to stop uranium
enrichment.
……………………………………………………………………………………
The resolution passed Friday by the IAEA Board of Governors sends a
strong signal to Iran that its actions and intentions remain a matter
of grave international concern.
…………………………………………………………………………………..
Iran argues that attacks on its nuclear program are an assault on the
rights of developing nations to create their own peaceful nuclear
energy network.
………………………………………………………………………………………….
In a letter to ElBaradei, Soltanieh suggested his country could in
future further restrict IAEA access to its nuclear activities, arguing
that leaks to the media of confidential information "pose security
threat(s) against the Islamic Republic of Iran's nuclear facilities
and activities."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091127/ap_on_re_eu/iran_nuclear

partisan

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Nov 28, 2009, 6:38:25 AM11/28/09
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SO FUCK UN AND THE ARABS!

Aviroce

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Nov 28, 2009, 11:33:47 AM11/28/09
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For a follow-up, "TEHRAN, Iran – A hardline Iranian lawmaker warned
Saturday his country could withdraw from the Nuclear Nonproliferation
Treaty in response to a U.N. nuclear watchdog resolution censuring
Tehran over its nuclear program." (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091128/
ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear )

As a matter of principle, it should. As a matter of strategy, it
should. As a matter of self-independence, it should. After all why
should Israel have enough weapons of mass destruction, Nuclear,
Chemical and Biological, to kill the human race and be able to
terrorize the Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims while Iran is not
allowed to develop nuclear energy? Keep in mind the United Nations is
not a court of law to deliver justice. It is an instrument of war
against the weak nations. The United Nations has agreed on UN
Resolution 242 and the United Nations never delivered the goods. Do
not wonder why. Israel is an instrument of USA and USA is an
instrument of Israel. Both Israel and USA have been mutual in
inflicting genocides and atrocities against Palestinians, Arabs and
Muslims.

Aviroce

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Nov 28, 2009, 11:35:20 AM11/28/09
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All I care for is Palestine. Palestine now. Palestine now. Only
Palestine. Israel may go to Hell.

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Patriot Games

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Nov 29, 2009, 2:41:49 PM11/29/09
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On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 08:35:20 -0800 (PST), Aviroce
<dudar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>All I care for is Palestine. Palestine now. Palestine now. Only
>Palestine. Israel may go to Hell.

1) Allah is Satan.

2) Satan found an unemployed drunk pedophile sitting in the desert
with his balls in the dirt masturbating. His name was Mohammad. Satan
persuaded him to start a new cult called Islam.

3) Islam is an evil-inspired destructive cult.

4) Muslims are servants of the Devil.

5) I wipe my ass with pages torn from your Quran.

Aviroce

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On Nov 29, 2:41 pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote:

Whatever you say is meaningless. What counts is the establishment of
Palestine. Palestine is first. Palestine is second. Palestine is
thrid. Palestine. Palestine. Palestine. Israel may go to hell.


Patriot Games

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On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:42:41 -0800 (PST), Aviroce
<dudar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 29, 2:41�pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote:
>Whatever you say is meaningless.

Muslims are the most hated subhumans on the planet.

>What counts is the establishment of
>Palestine. Palestine is first. Palestine is second. Palestine is
>thrid. Palestine. Palestine. Palestine.

I would DEARLY LOVE for Palestine to get OFFICIAL Statehood, making
them a REAL COUNTRY.

>Israel may go to hell.

No... Once Palestine is an OFFICIAL country Israel may OFFICIALLY GO
TO WAR and OFFICIALLY DESTROY Palestine instead of all these wimpy
"police actions" that waste their time and money.

Once Palestine is an OFFICIAL country Israel will OFFICIALLY DECLARE
LEGAL WAR on them. Israel will then LEGALLY GO TO WAR and OFFICIALLY
and LEGALLY WIPE Palestine OFF THE MAP and DESTROY every single
subhuman Muslim Palestinian.

And, of course, the WORLD WILL APPLAUD Israel for FINALLY eliminating
the Palestinian Problem!!

Hahahahahahaha!!!

Death to Palestine!

Death to Iran!

Death to Islam!

DIE Sandniggers, DIE!

Topaz

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Judeo Christians think it is the "end times" even though it has been
the "end times" for over two thousand years so far. They think the one
and only hope is for Jesus to return and straighten everything out.
And a big part of the plan is the destroy the world. They think wars
and everything being blown up is a great thing because it means Jesus
will return soon.

Marxists were murderous lowlifes but they said religion is the opium
of the masses. There obviously is some truth to that. Enemies often
have some truth in their arguments. On top of the opium there is the
Jewish propaganda started by Scofield.

Christians are great for telling what some of the problems are, such
as homosexual perversion, feminism etc. But to actually solve these
problems one should look elsewhere. Who do Christians hate the most,
first Hitler and then the Muslims. These are the two who actually
solved the problems that Christians are famous for speaking against.
Maybe the Muslims go a little overboard but they are the opposite of
liberalism. There is no way that "Brokeback Mountain" would be shown
in a Muslim country.


http://www.ihr.org/ www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/

http://www.natvan.com http://www.nsm88.org

http://heretical.com/ http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/

staten

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Nov 30, 2009, 7:00:09 PM11/30/09
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On Nov 30, 5:02 pm, Topaz <mars1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>   Christians are great for telling what some of the problems are, such
> as homosexual perversion, feminism etc. But to actually solve these
> problems one should look elsewhere. Who do Christians hate the most,
> first Hitler and then the Muslims.


Right. Both are ultimate evil.

>These are the two who actually
> solved the problems that Christians are famous for speaking against.

No, they didn't. The Nazi Ernst Roehm was avowed homosexual,. He was
a member of Hirschfeld's League for Human Rights and openly attended
homosexual meeting places. In Islam homosexuality is rampant. For the
last 1400 + years, the Muslims and their ancestral tribal sects have
practiced pederasty! When Muhammad formed the Muslim religion he took
pederast practices of the region, mixed it with the Greek pederast
views and formed a religion. That is, the Muslim's have practiced
'same sex pedophilia'! Just read the Quran about “pearly” fresh boys
waiting you in heaven along with virgins . Or go to the Egyptian
resort Siwa full of Muslim homos selling themselves to Western
perverts .


> Maybe the Muslims go a little overboard but they are the opposite of
> liberalism.

They are the opposite of everything including common sense.


>There is no way that "Brokeback Mountain" would be shown
> in a Muslim country.

Big deal. Go to Afghanistan practicing the most “pure” Islam and you
will see live homos like bacha bazi ("boy for play") or dancing boys
dressed in skirts and decorated with silver bells fastened to their
hands and feet. As your pious Muslims say there “a woman is for child
birth a man is for pleasure”

Aaronovich

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Nov 30, 2009, 8:33:31 PM11/30/09
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"staten" <stat...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 30, 5:02 pm, Topaz <mars1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Christians are great for telling what some of the problems are, such
> as homosexual perversion, feminism etc. But to actually solve these
> problems one should look elsewhere. Who do Christians hate the most,
> first Hitler and then the Muslims.


Right. Both are ultimate evil.

>These are the two who actually
> solved the problems that Christians are famous for speaking against.

>No, they didn't. The Nazi Ernst Roehm was avowed homosexual,. He was
>a member of Hirschfeld's League for Human Rights and openly attended
>homosexual meeting places.

Jews have been the leaders of the gay rights movement ever since it started.


> In Islam homosexuality is rampant.

You can prove that, of course?
I CAN prove that Jews are very involved in homosexual activities.


>For the
>last 1400 + years, the Muslims and their ancestral tribal sects have
>practiced pederasty!

As do the Jews. You should make yourself familiar with the Talmud. It
clearly says it is OK to have sexual relations with children. Loss of
virginity in a three year old, for example, is described as being nothing
but a finger in the eye.

You are obviously another uneducated lout, who has nothing to do but support
the lies of Jews.


staten

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On Nov 30, 8:33 pm, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message

>
> news:070e2a9d-ed50-406d...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 30, 5:02 pm, Topaz <mars1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Christians are great for telling what some of the problems are, such
> > as homosexual perversion, feminism etc. But to actually solve these
> > problems one should look elsewhere. Who do Christians hate the most,
> > first Hitler and then the Muslims.
>
> Right. Both are ultimate evil.
>
> >These are the two who actually
> > solved the problems that Christians are famous for speaking against.
> >No, they didn't. The Nazi Ernst Roehm was  avowed homosexual,. He was
> >a member of Hirschfeld's League for Human Rights and openly attended
> >homosexual meeting places.
>

>
> >These are the two who actually
> > solved the problems that Christians are famous for speaking against.
> >No, they didn't. The Nazi Ernst Roehm was avowed homosexual,. He was
> >a member of Hirschfeld's League for Human Rights and openly attended
> >homosexual meeting places.
>
> Jews have been the leaders of the gay rights movement ever since it started.

We don't talk about Jews. But about Nazis and Muslims who allegedly
stopped homosexuality . Stick to the topic, if you can , fool.


>
> > In Islam homosexuality is rampant.
>
> You can prove that, of course?

It is not so hard to prove it if one reads books and history about
Islam. But you obviously are not in the category of people reading
books. .

For your education.

1.As I had shown in my post the “dancing boys” in Afghanistan is just
one example . I am not surprised why you being ashamed have not
included this example in your comment.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/12/dancing-boys-afghanistan

“Why did he think other young boys dressed as women and danced?
"Because men like women and they are not available, so we act like
women. We wink at the rich men in the room, we excite them and they
pay us. Two weeks ago, in a town north of Kabul, the elder paid me
4,000 Afghanis [around £49]. “

2.The practice of pederasty in the Middle East seems to have begun,
according to surviving records, sometime during the 800s and ended, at
least as an open practice, in the mid-19th century. Throughout this
era, pederastic relationships, poetry, art and spirituality were found
throughout cultures from Moorish Spain to Northern India. The forms of
this pederasty ranged from the chaste and spiritual adoration of
youths at one extreme, to the violent and forcible use of unwilling
boys at other. While sodomy was considered a major sin in Islam, other
aspects of same-sex relations were not, though they were problematized
to various degrees at various times and places.”

Wikipedia


3.Another source is staright from the Quran and hadith.

“ …..the Qur'an and hadith also have traces of the permitted
homosexual desires of straight men. There is even a hadith in Bukhari,
admittedly giving not the Prophet's opinion but that of Abu Jafar,
according to which a pedophile is prohibited from marrying the mother
of his boy-beloved if there is penetration:

(Bukhari LXII, 25) As for whom(ever) plays with a boy: if he caused
him to enter him, then he shall not marry his mother.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The distinction between pederasty (sex with boys) and sodomy
(penetration of "males") was commonly, albeit not universally
maintained throughout the ancient world, and indeed survived
throughout most of the history of Islam until at least the nineteenth
century (in spite of the futile objections of some medieval scholars).
Apparently, boy-love was considered okay by many people because, like
"natural eunuchs," underage boys also lacked the "defining skill of
males" (sexual potency with women). The Qur'an itself gives support to
pederasts in its glimpses of paradise":

52:17-29 And they shall have boys [ghilmaan] circulating among them as
if they were hidden pearls.
56:22-23 and dark-eyed ones [hoorun 'eenun], the like of hidden pearls

76:19 And immortal boys [wildaanun mukhalladoona] will circulate among
them, when you see them you will count them as scattered pearls.

2:25 And they shall have immaculate partners [azwaajun mutahharatun]
in [the gardens] …

4:57 And they shall have immaculate partners [azwaajun mutahharatun]
in them …


> I CAN prove that Jews are very involved in homosexual activities.

No one asking you. It's irrelevant. I don't care how many Jews,
Americans, Indians or Russians are practicing homosexuality. We are
talking about Islam and Nazism. Stick to the topic.


> >For the
> >last 1400 + years, the Muslims and their ancestral tribal sects have
> >practiced pederasty!
>
> As do the Jews. You should make yourself familiar with the Talmud. It
> clearly says it is OK to have sexual relations with children. Loss of
> virginity in a three year old, for example, is described as being nothing
> but a finger in the eye.
>
> You are obviously another uneducated lout, who has nothing to do but support
> the lies of Jews.


Homosexuality in Islam is not “lies of Jews”, cretin. There are tons
of documented facts. Read again what I posted for you above and sign
under your ignorance.


Aviroce

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Palestine is to be established on Whole West Bank, Whole East
Jerusalem, and Whole Gaza with easements from 1948 Israel. There will
be a Mutual Non-Aggresssion Treaty between both states with mutual
recognition of borders and uniformalization of criminal law. On top
there will be an abandonment of the Apartheid Sytem of Israel and
opening the borders for all Palestinian refugees to go back home
wherever they want plus compensation for all refugees from Israel,
Jews and all countries that supported creation of Israel. This non-
sense about Israel taking over Palestine is pure non-sense. The
United States of America who is responsible for the creation of Israel
and hence the creation of Palestine will guarantee both states.


On Nov 30, 12:47 pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:42:41 -0800 (PST), Aviroce
>

Aviroce

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Staten is on opium for Afghanistan. He is disconnected, dissociated,
and hafl-wit. In the United States of America, homosexuals get also
married and their union has advantages. Homosexuality is forbidden in
Islam. Jews embrace any sexual perversion. Read their Talmuds and
Torahs.

staten

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On Nov 30, 11:05 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Staten is on opium for Afghanistan. He is disconnected, dissociated,
> and hafl-wit. In the United States of America, homosexuals get also
> married and their union has advantages. Homosexuality is forbidden in
> Islam. Jews embrace any sexual perversion. Read their Talmuds and
> Torahs.

Read the Koran and hadith , Muslim. Read your muslim history, idot.
Homosexuality is an intrinsic part of your Muslim culture.

For your education.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/12/dancing-boys-afghanistan


Wikipedia

---------------------------------------------------------------------------­--------------


"The distinction between pederasty (sex with boys) and sodomy
(penetration of "males") was commonly, albeit not universally
maintained throughout the ancient world, and indeed survived
throughout most of the history of Islam until at least the nineteenth
century (in spite of the futile objections of some medieval
scholars).
Apparently, boy-love was considered okay by many people because, like
"natural eunuchs," underage boys also lacked the "defining skill of
males" (sexual potency with women). The Qur'an itself gives support
to
pederasts in its glimpses of paradise":


52:17-29 And they shall have boys [ghilmaan] circulating among them
as
if they were hidden pearls.
56:22-23 and dark-eyed ones [hoorun 'eenun], the like of hidden
pearls


76:19 And immortal boys [wildaanun mukhalladoona] will circulate
among
them, when you see them you will count them as scattered pearls.


2:25 And they shall have immaculate partners [azwaajun mutahharatun]
in [the gardens] …


4:57 And they shall have immaculate partners [azwaajun mutahharatun]
in them …

> On Nov 30, 7:00 pm, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:

> > birth a man is for pleasure”- Hide quoted text -

Aaronovich

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"staten" <stat...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 30, 8:33 pm, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message

>


> > In Islam homosexuality is rampant.
>
> You can prove that, of course?

>It is not so hard to prove it if one reads books and history about
>Islam. But you obviously are not in the category of people reading
>books. .

>For your education.

>1.As I had shown in my post the �dancing boys� in Afghanistan is just
>one example . I am not surprised why you being ashamed have not
>included this example in your comment.


>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/12/dancing-boys-afghanistan


That does nothing to prove your allegations. Nothing at all.

You are obviously a liar, uneducated and foolish beyond compare. I really
have no desire to waste my time with the likes of you.


staten

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On Dec 1, 5:53 am, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fa6b8a7f-3b8d-49df...@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 30, 8:33 pm, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> > > In Islam homosexuality is rampant.
>
> > You can prove that, of course?
> >It is not so hard to prove it if one reads books and history about
> >Islam. But you obviously are not in the category of people reading
> >books. .
> >For your education.
> >1.As I had shown in my post the “dancing boys” in Afghanistan is just
> >one example . I am not surprised why you being ashamed have not
> >included this example in your comment.
> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/12/dancing-boys-afghanistan
>

> That does nothing to prove your allegations. Nothing at all.

“nothing to prove”? Look what you deleted :


Wikipedia

---------------------------------------------------------------------------­­--------------


"The distinction between pederasty (sex with boys) and sodomy
(penetration of "males") was commonly, albeit not universally
maintained throughout the ancient world, and indeed survived
throughout most of the history of Islam until at least the nineteenth
century (in spite of the futile objections of some medieval
scholars).
Apparently, boy-love was considered okay by many people because, like
"natural eunuchs," underage boys also lacked the "defining skill of
males" (sexual potency with women). The Qur'an itself gives support
to
pederasts in its glimpses of paradise":


52:17-29 And they shall have boys [ghilmaan] circulating among them
as
if they were hidden pearls.
56:22-23 and dark-eyed ones [hoorun 'eenun], the like of hidden
pearls


76:19 And immortal boys [wildaanun mukhalladoona] will circulate
among
them, when you see them you will count them as scattered pearls.


2:25 And they shall have immaculate partners [azwaajun mutahharatun]
in [the gardens] …


4:57 And they shall have immaculate partners [azwaajun mutahharatun]
in them …


Why wouldn't you put your comment right here , Ahmed? Too embarrassed
that you are an ignorant boob having nothing to say to support your
point?


> You are obviously a liar, uneducated and foolish beyond compare. I really
> have no desire to waste my time with the likes of you.

There is no lies. Those are facts you hate, Ahmed. Face it, Ahmed:
homosexuality is intrinsic part to your Muslim culture. Read books and
history, fool

Aaronovich

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On Dec 1, 5:53 am, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fa6b8a7f-3b8d-49df...@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 30, 8:33 pm, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> > > In Islam homosexuality is rampant.
>
> > You can prove that, of course?
> >It is not so hard to prove it if one reads books and history about
> >Islam. But you obviously are not in the category of people reading
> >books. .
> >For your education.
> >1.As I had shown in my post the �dancing boys� in Afghanistan is just
> >one example . I am not surprised why you being ashamed have not
> >included this example in your comment.
> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/12/dancing-boys-afghanistan
>

> That does nothing to prove your allegations. Nothing at all.

> �nothing to prove�? Look what you deleted :

It proves nothing like you claim. And I delete it again due to its total
inconsistency with what you claim. Generalisations do NOT offer proof of
concept.

You are not worth the trouble of response. You are a brainles donkey.


Patriot Games

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On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:19:18 -0800 (PST), Aviroce
<dudar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Palestine is to be established...

As a bomb crater.

Filled in with burned Muslim bodies.

Then paved over to make way for MORE Jewish homes and businesses.

Topaz

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http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/review-AR.html

Kevin MacDonald's The Culture of Critique

Reviewed by Stanley Hornbeck

In The Culture of Critique, Kevin MacDonald advances a carefully
researched but extremely controversial thesis: that certain 20th
century intellectual movements -- largely established and led by Jews
-- have changed European societies in fundamental ways and destroyed
the confidence of Western man. He claims that these movements were
designed, consciously or unconsciously, to advance Jewish interests
even though they were presented to non-Jews as universalistic and even
utopian. He concludes that the increasing dominance of these ideas has
had profound political and social consequences that benefited Jews but
caused great harm to gentile societies. This analysis, which he makes
with considerable force, is an unusual indictment of a people
generally thought to be more sinned against than sinning.

The Culture of Critique is the final title in Prof. MacDonald's
massive, three-volume study of Jews and their role in history. The two
previous volumes are A People That Shall Dwell Alone and Separation
and its Discontents, published by Praeger in 1994 and 1998. The series
is written from a sociobiological perspective that views Judaism as a
unique survival strategy that helps Jews compete with other ethnic
groups. Prof. MacDonald, who is a psychologist at the University of
California at Long Beach, explains this perspective in the first
volume, which describes Jews as having a very powerful sense of
uniqueness that has kept them socially and genetically separate from
other peoples. The second volume traces the history of Jewish-gentile
relations, and finds the causes of anti-Semitism primarily in the
almost invariable commercial and intellectual dominance of gentile
societies by Jews and in their refusal to assimilate. The Culture of
Critique brings his analysis into the present century, with an account
of the Jewish role in the radical critique of traditional culture.

The intellectual movements Prof. MacDonald discusses in this volume
are Marxism, Freudian psychoanalysis, the Frankfurt school of
sociology, and Boasian anthropology. Perhaps most relevant from a
racial perspective, he also traces the role of Jews in promoting
multi-culturalism and Third World immigration. Throughout his analysis
Prof. MacDonald reiterates his view that Jews have promoted these
movements as Jews and in the interests of Jews, though they have often
tried to give the impression that they had no distinctive interests of
their own. Therefore Prof. MacDonald's most profound charge against
Jews is not ethnocentrism but dishonesty -- that while claiming to be
working for the good of mankind they have often worked for their own
good and to the detriment of others. While attempting to promote the
brotherhood of man by dissolving the ethnic identification of
gentiles, Jews have maintained precisely the kind of intense group
solidarity they decry as immoral in others.

Celebrating Diversity
Prof. MacDonald claims that one of the most consistent ways in which
Jews have advanced their interests has been to promote pluralism and
diversity -- but only for others. Ever since the 19th century, they
have led movements that tried to discredit the traditional foundations
of gentile society: patriotism, racial loyalty, the Christian basis
for morality, social homogeneity, and sexual restraint. At the same
time, within their own communities, and with regard to the state of
Israel, they have often supported the very institutions they attack in
gentile society.

Why is this in the interests of Jews? Because the parochial group
loyalty characteristic of Jews attracts far less attention in a
society that does not have a cohesive racial and cultural core. The
Jewish determination not to assimilate fully, which accounts for their
survival as a people for thousands for years -- even without a country
-- has invariably attracted unpleasant and even murderous scrutiny in
nations with well -defined national identities. In Prof. MacDonald's
view it is therefore in the interest of Jews to dilute and weaken the
identity of any people among whom they live. Jewish identity can
flower in safety only when gentile identity is weak.

Prof. MacDonald quotes a remarkable passage from Charles Silberman:
"American Jews are committed to cultural tolerance because of their
belief -- one firmly rooted in history -- that Jews are safe only in a
society acceptant of a wide range of attitudes and behaviors, as well
as a diversity of religious and ethnic groups. It is this belief, for
example, not approval of homosexuality, that leads an overwhelming
majority of American Jews to endorse 'gay rights' and to take a
liberal stance on most other so-called 'social' issues."

He is saying, in effect, that when Jews make the
diversity-is-our-strength argument it is in support of their real goal
of diluting a society's homogeneity so that Jews will feel safe. They
are couching a Jewish agenda in terms they think gentiles will accept.
Likewise, as the second part of the Silberman quotation suggests, Jews
may support deviant movements, not because they think it is good for
the country but because it is good for the Jews.

Prof. Silberman also provides an illuminating quote from a Jewish
economist who thought that republicans had more sensible economic
policies but who voted for the Democratic presidential candidate
anyway. His reason? "I'd rather live in a country governed by the
faces I saw at the Democratic convention than those I saw at the
Republican convention." This man apparently distrusts white gentiles
and voted for a racially mixed party even if its economic policies
were wrong. What is good for Jews appears to come before what is good
for the country.

Earl Raab, former president of heavily Jewish Brandeis University
makes the diversity argument in a slightly different way. Expressing
his satisfaction with the prediction that by the middle of the next
century whites will become a minority, he writes, "We have tipped
beyond the point where a Nazi-Aryan party will be able to prevail in
this country." He is apparently prepared to displace the people and
culture of the founding stock in order to prevent the theoretical rise
of an anti-Jewish regime. Prof. Raab appears to see whites mainly as
potential Nazis, and is willing to sacrifice their culture and
national continuity in order to defuse an imagined threat to Jews.
This passage takes for granted the continued future existence of Jews
as a distinct community even as gentile whites decline in numbers and
influence.

In the same passage, Prof. Raab continues by noting that, "[w]e [Jews]
have been nourishing the American climate of opposition to bigotry for
about half a century. That climate has not yet been perfected, but the
heterogeneous nature of our population tends to make it
irreversible..." -- just as it tends to make the ultimate displacement
of European culture also irreversible.

Prof. MacDonald traces the development of this diversity strategy to
several sources. It is widely recognized that the German-Jewish
immigrant Franz Boas (1858-1942) almost single-handedly established
the current contours of anthropology, ridding it of all biological
explanations for differences in human culture or behavior. Prof.
MacDonald reports that he and his followers -- with the notable
exceptions of Margaret Mead and Ruth Benedict -- were all Jews with
strong Jewish identities: "Jewish identification and the pursuit of
perceived Jewish interests, particularly in advocating an ideology of
cultural pluralism as a model for Western societies, has been the
'invisible subject' of American anthropology."

By 1915, Boas and his students controlled the American Anthropological
Association and by 1926 they headed every major American university
anthropology department. From this position of dominance they promoted
the idea that race and biology are trivial matters, and that
environment counts for everything. They completely recast anthropology
so as to provide intellectual support for open immigration,
integration, and miscegenation. They also laid the foundation for the
idea that because all races have the same potential, the failures of
non-whites must be blamed exclusively on white oppression. The
ultimate conclusion of Boasian anthropology was that since environment
accounts for all human differences, every inequality in achievement
can be eliminated by changing the environment. This has been the
justification for enormous and wasteful government intervention
programs.

The entire "civil rights" movement can be seen as a natural
consequence of the triumph of Boasian thinking. Since all races were
equivalent, separation was immoral. The color line also sharpened
white self-consciousness in ways that might make whites more aware of
Jewish parochialism. Thus it was, according to Prof. MacDonald, that
Jews almost single-handedly launched the desegregation movement.
Without the leadership of Jews, the NAACP might never have been
established, and until 1975 every one of its presidents was a Jew.
Prof. MacDonald reports that in 1917, when the black separatist Marcus
Garvey visited NAACP headquarters, he saw so many white faces that he
stormed out, complaining that it was a white organization.

Prof. MacDonald concludes that the efforts of Jews were crucial to the
"civil rights" transformation of America. He quotes a lawyer for the
American Jewish Congress who claims that "many of these [civil rights]
laws were actually written in the offices of Jewish agencies by Jewish
staff people, introduced by Jewish legislators and pressured into
being by Jewish voters."

While the Boas school was promoting integration and racial
equivalence, it was also critical of, in Prof. MacDonald's words,
"American culture as overly homogeneous, hypocritical, emotionally and
aesthetically repressive (especially with regard to sexuality).
Central to this program was creating ethnographies of idyllic
[Third-World] cultures that were free of the negatively perceived
traits that were attributed to Western culture."

The Role of the anthropologist became one of criticizing everything
about Western society while glorifying everything primitive. Prof.
MacDonald notes that Boasian portrayals of non-Western peoples
deliberately ignored barbarism and cruelty or simply attributed it to
contamination from the West. He sees this as a deliberate attempt to
undermine the confidence of Western societies and to make them
permeable to Third World influences and people. Today, this view is
enshrined in the dogma that America must remain open to immigration
because immigrants bring spirit and energy that natives somehow lack.

Authoritarian Personalities
In order to open European-derived societies to the immigration that
would transform them, it was necessary to discredit racial solidarity
and commitment to tradition. Prof. MacDonald argues that this was the
basic purpose of a group of intellectuals known as the Frankfurt
School. What is properly known as the Institute of Social Research was
founded in Frankfurt, Germany, during the Weimar period by a Jewish
millionaire but was closed down by the Nazis shortly after they took
power. Most of its staff emigrated to the United States and the
institute reconstituted itself at UC Berkeley. The organization was
headed by Max Horkheimer, and its most influential members were T.W.
Adorno, Erich Fromm, and Herbert Marcuse, all of whom had strong
Jewish identities. Horkheimer made no secret of the partisan nature of
the institute's activities: "Research would be able here to transform
itself directly into propaganda," he wrote. (Italics in the original)

Prof. MacDonald devotes many pages to an analysis of The Authoritarian
Personality, which was written by Adorno and appeared in 1950. It was
part of a series called Studies in Prejudice, produced by the
Frankfurt school, which included titles like Anti-Semitism and
Emotional Disorder. The Authoritarian Personality, which was
particularly influential because, according to Prof. MacDonald, the
American Jewish Committee heavily funded its promotion and because
Jewish academics took up its message so enthusiastically.

The book's purpose is to make every group affiliation sound as if it
were a sign of mental disorder. Everything from patriotism to religion
to family -- and race -- loyalty are sign of a dangerous and defective
"authoritarian personality." Because drawing distinctions between
different groups is illegitimate, all group loyalties -- even close
family ties! -- are "prejudice." As Christopher Lasch has written, the
book leads to the conclusion that prejudice "could be eradicated only
by subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective
psychotherapy -- by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum."

But according to Prof. MacDonald it is precisely the kind of group
loyalty, respect for tradition, and consciousness of differences
central to Jewish identity that Horkheimer and Adorno described as
mental illness in gentiles. These writers adopted what eventually
became a favorite Soviet tactic against dissidents: Anyone whose
political views were different from theirs was insane. As Prof.
MacDonald explains, the Frankfurt school never criticized or even
described Jewish group identity -- only that of gentiles: "behavior
that is critical to Judaism as a successful group evolutionary
strategy is conceptualized as pathological in gentiles."

For these Jewish intellectuals, anti-Semitism was also a sign of
mental illness: They concluded that Christian self-denial and
especially sexual repression caused hatred of Jews. The Frankfurt
school was enthusiastic about psycho-analysis, according to which
"Oedipal ambivalence toward the father and anal-sadistic relations in
early childhood are the anti-Semite's irrevocable inheritance."

In addition to ridiculing patriotism and racial identity, the
Frankfurt school glorified promiscuity and Bohemian poverty. Prof.
MacDonald sees the school as a seminal influence: "Certainly many of
the central attitudes of the largely successful 1960s countercultural
revolution find expression in The Authoritarian Personality, including
idealizing rebellion against parents, low-investment sexual
relationships, and scorn for upward social mobility, social status,
family pride, the Christian religion, and patriotism."

Of the interest here, however, is the movement's success in branding
ancient loyalties to nation and race as mental illnesses. Although he
came later, the French-Jewish "deconstructionist" Jacques Derrida was
in the same tradition when he wrote:

"The idea behind deconstruction is to deconstruct the workings of
strong nation-states with powerful immigration policies, to
deconstruct the rhetoric of nationalism, the politics of place, the
metaphysics of native land and native tongue... The idea is to disarm
the bombs... of identity that nation-states build to defend themselves
against the stranger, against Jews and Arabs and immigrants... "

As Prof. MacDonald puts it, "Viewed at its most abstract level, a
fundamental agenda is thus to influence the European-derived peoples
of the United States to view concern about their own demographic and
cultural eclipse as irrational and as an indication of
psychopathology." Needless to say, this project has been successful;
anyone opposed to the displacement of whites is routinely treated as a
mentally unhinged "hate-monger," and whenever whites defend their
group interests they are described as psychologically inadequate. The
irony has not escaped Prof. MacDonald: "The ideology that
ethnocentrism was a form of psychopathology was promulgated by a group
that over its long history had arguably been the most ethnocentric
group among all the cultures of the world."

Immigration
Prof. MacDonald argues that it is entirely natural for Jews to promote
open immigration. It brings about the "diversity" Jews find comforting
and it keeps America open to persecuted co-religionists throughout the
world. He says Jews are the only group that has always fought for mass
immigration; a few European ethnic organizations have made sporadic
efforts to make it easier for their own people to come, but only Jews
have consistently promoted open borders for all comers. Moreover,
whatever disagreements they may have had on other issues, Jews of
every political persuasion have favored high immigration.

This, too, goes back many years, and Prof. MacDonald traces in
considerable detail the sustained Jewish pro-immigration effort.
Israel Zangwill, author of the eponymous 1908 play The Melting Pot,
was of the view that "there is only one way to World Peace, and that
is the absolute abolition of passports, visas, frontiers, custom
houses... " He was nevertheless an ardent Zionist and disapproved of
Jewish intermarriage.

Although the statue of liberty, properly known as Liberty Enlightening
the World, was a gift to the United States from France as a tribute to
American political traditions, the sonnet by the Jewish Emma Lazarus
helped change it into a symbol of immigration. Affixed to the base of
the statue several decades after its construction, the poem welcomes
to America "huddled masses yearning to breath free/The wretched refuse
of your teeming shore."

Prof. MacDonald has discovered that implausible arguments about
diversity being a quintessentially American strength have been made by
Jews for a long time. He reports that in 1948 the American Jewish
Committee was urging Congress to believe that "Americanism is the
spirit behind the welcome that America has traditionally extended to
people of all races, all religions, all nationalities." Of course,
there had never been such a tradition. In 1952, the American Jewish
Congress argued in hearings on immigration that "our national
experience has confirmed beyond a doubt that our very strength lies in
the diversity of our peoples." This, too, was at a time when U.S.
immigration law was still explicitly designed to maintain a white
majority.

It is often said that when the old immigration policy was scrapped in
1965, scarcely anyone knew, and no one predicted, that the new law
would change the racial makeup of the country. Prof. MacDonald
disputes this, arguing that this had been the objective of Jewish
groups from the beginning.

Prof. MacDonald finds that Jews have been the foremost advocates of
immigration in England, France, and Canada, and that Jewish groups
were the most vocal opponents of independence for Quebec. Australian
Jews led the effort to dismantle the "white Australia" policy, one
reason for which was cited in an editorial in the Australian Jewish
Democrat: "The strengthening of multi-cultural or diverse Australia is
also our most effective insurance policy against anti-Semitism. The
day Australia has a Chinese Australian Governor General I would feel
more confident of my freedom to live as a Jewish Australian." Like
Earl Raab writing about the United States, this Australian Jew is
prepared to sacrifice the traditional culture, people, and identity of
Australia to specifically Jewish interests. It would not be surprising
if such an openly expressed objective did not have the opposite effect
from the intended, and increase anti-Jewish sentiment.

Jews and the Left
It is well known that Jews have been traditionally associated with the
left, and Prof. MacDonald investigates this connection in some detail.
Historically it was understandable that Jews should support movements
that advocated overthrowing the existing order. After emancipation,
Jews met resistance from gentile elites who did not want to lose
ground to competitors, and outsiders easily become revolutionaries.
However, in Prof. MacDonald's view, Jewish commitment to leftist
causes has often been motivated by the hope that communism,
especially, would be a tool for combating anti-Semitism, and by
expectation that universalist social solutions would be yet another
way to dissolve gentile loyalties that might exclude Jews. The appeal
of univeralist ideologies is tied to the implicit understanding that
Jewish particularism will be exempt:

"At the extreme, acceptance of a universalist ideology by gentiles
would result in gentiles not perceiving Jews as in a different social
category at all, while nonetheless Jews would be able to maintain a
strong personal identity as Jews."

Prof. MacDonald argues that Jews had specifically Jewish reasons for
supporting the Bolshevik revolution. Czarist Russia was notorious for
its anti-Semitic policies and, during its early years, the Soviet
Union seemed to be the promised land for Jews: it ended state
anti-Semitism, tried to eradicate Christianity, opened opportunities
to individual Jews, and preached a "classless" society in which
Jewishness would presumably attract no negative attention. Moreover,
since Marxism taught that all conflict was economic rather than
ethnic, many Jews believed it heralded the end of anti-Semitism.

Prof. MacDonald emphasizes that although Jewish Communists preached
both atheism and the solidarity of the world's working people, they
took pains to preserve a distinct, secular Jewish identity. He reports
that Lenin himself (who had one Jewish grandparent) approved the
continuation of an explicitly Jewish identity under Communism, and in
1946 the Communist Party of the United States voted a resolution also
supporting Jewish peoplehood in Communist countries. Thus, although
Communism was supposed to be without borders or religion, Jews were
confident that it would make a place for their own group identity. He
writes that despite the official view that all men were to be
brothers, "very few Jews lost their Jewish identity during the entire
soviet era."

Jewish Communists sometimes betrayed remarkable particularism. Prof.
MacDonald quotes Charles Pappoport, the French Communist leader: "The
Jewish people [are] the bearer of all the great ideas of unity and
human community in history... The disappearance of the Jewish people
would signify the death of humankind, the final transformation of man
into a wild beast." This seems to attribute to Jews an elite position
incompatible with "unity and human community."

Prof. MacDonald argues that many Jews began to fall away from
Communism only after Stalin showed himself to be anti-Semitic. And
just as Jews had been the leading revolutionaries in anti-Semitic
pre-Revolutionary Russia, Jews became the leading dissidents in an
anti-Semitic Soviet Union. A similar pattern can be found in the
imposed Communist governments of Eastern Europe, which were largely
dominated by Jews. The majority of the leaders of the Polish Communist
Party, for example, spoke better Yiddish than Polish, and they too
maintained a strong Jewish identity. After the fall of Communism many
stopped being Polish and emigrated to Israel.

Prof. MacDonald writes that in Bela Kun's short-lived 1919 Communist
government of Hungary, 95 percent of the leaders were Jews, and that
at the time of the 1956 uprising Communism was so closely associated
with Jews that the rioting had almost the flavor of a pogrom. He
argues that in the United States as well, the hard core among
Communists and members of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) was
mainly Jewish. Here, too, a revolutionary, atheist, and universalist
world-view was fully compatible with strong identification as Jews.
Prof. MacDonald quotes from a study of American leftists:

"Many Communists, for example, state that they could never have
married a spouse who was not a leftist. When Jews were asked if they
could have married Gentiles, many hesitated, surprised by the
question, and found it difficult to answer. Upon reflection, many
concluded that they had always taken marriage to someone Jewish for
granted." Their commitment as Jews was even more fundamental and
unexamined than their commitment to the left.

Prof. MacDonald reports that many American Jews also abandoned
Communism as it became increasingly anti-Semitic. For a large number,
the Soviet Union's severing of diplomatic ties with Israel during the
1967 war was the last straw. A former SDS activist no doubt spoke for
many when he explained, "If I must choose between the Jewish cause and
a 'progressive' anti-Israel SDS, I shall choose the Jewish cause. If
barricades are erected, I will fight as a Jew." According to Prof.
MacDonald, American neoconservatism can also be described as a surface
shift in external politics that leaves the more fundamental commitment
to Jewish identity unchanged. Thus, former leftists abandoned an
ideology that had turned against Israel and refashioned American
conservatism into a different movement, the one unshakable theme of
which was support for Israel. Neoconservatives also support high
levels of immigration and were active in excluding white racial
identification from the "respectable" right.

Objections
There are many possible objections to Prof. MacDonald's thesis. The
first is that it is largely built on the assumption that Jews are
dishonest. It is always risky to assume one understands the motives of
others better than they do themselves. Jews have traditionally thought
of themselves as a benevolent presence, even as a "light unto the
nations" or a "chosen people." This is echoed today in the Jewish self
image as champions of the excluded and the oppressed. Most of the time
what passes for "social justice" has the effect of undermining the
traditions and loyalties of gentile society, but are Jews deliberately
undermining these things rather than righting what they perceive to be
wrongs?

Prof. MacDonald concedes that many Jews are sincere in their support
for liberal causes, but then escalates his indictment by arguing that
"the best deceivers are those who deceive themselves." In other words,
many Jews who are actually working for Jewish interests have first
convinced themselves otherwise. A Jew who mainly wants America to
become less white may also have convinced himself that America
benefits from a multitude of cultures. Having convinced himself he can
more effectively convince others.

Many Jews, Prof. MacDonald argues, are not even conscious of the
extent to which their Jewishness is central to their identities or
their political views. He quotes Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel on his
surprise at how passionately he embraced the Israeli side during the
1967 war:

"I had not known how Jewish I was." This is an arresting statement
from a man who was thought to be perhaps the greatest Jewish spiritual
leader of his time. And whether or not it affects their politics, Jews
certainly appear to have a very vivid sense of peoplehood. Prof.
MacDonald quotes theologian Eugene Borowitz as saying,"most Jews claim
to be equipped with an interpersonal friend-or-foe sensing device that
enables them to detect the presence of another Jew, despite heavy
camouflage." Always to think in terms of "friends or foe" is no
insignificant matter.

Prof. MacDonald is therefore skeptical of Jewish disavowals: "Surface
declarations of a lack of Jewish identity may be highly misleading."
He notes that Jewish publications write about the power and influence
of American Jews in language Jews would immediately denounce as
"anti-Semitic" if used by gentiles. He agrees with Joseph Sobran, who
has said "they want to be Jews among themselves but resent being seen
as Jews by Gentiles. They want to pursue their own distinct interests
while pretending that they have no such interests ... "

Prof. MacDonald argues that the success of Jewish-led intellectual
movements has been possible only because their Jewish character was
hidden. If multi-culturalism or mass immigration or The Authoritarian
Personality had been promoted by Orthodox Jews in black coats the
Jewish element would have been clear. Prof. MacDonald writes that in
fact, "the Jewish political agenda was not an aspect of the theory and
the theories themselves had no overt Jewish content. Gentile
intellectuals approaching these theories were therefore unlikely to
view them as aspects of Jewish-gentile cultural competition or as an
aspect of a specifically Jewish political agenda." Prof. MacDonald
also claims that Jews have often tried to conceal the Jewish character
of an intellectual movement by recruiting token gentiles for visible
positions as spokesmen. He writes that this tactic was so common in
the American Communist Party that gentiles often saw through it and
resigned.

But how can motives ever be completely known? Prof. MacDonald sets a
difficult test: "The best evidence that individuals have really ceased
to have a Jewish identity is if they choose a political option that
they perceive as clearly not in the interest of Jews as a group. In
the absence of a clearly perceived conflict with Jewish interests, it
remains possible that different political choices among ethnic Jews
are only differences in tactics for how best to achieve Jewish
interests."

This standard may seem unduly harsh -- until it is applied to white
gentiles. Third-World immigration, affirmative action,
anti-discrimination laws, and forced integration are clearly not in
the interests of whites, yet many whites embrace them, thus
demonstrating how completely they have abandoned their racial
identity.

Finally, Prof. MacDonald raises the disturbing possibility that some
Jews, because of centuries of conflict with gentiles, actively hate
gentile society and consciously wish to destroy it: "a fundamental
motivation of Jewish intellectuals involved in social criticism has
simply been hatred of the gentile-dominated power structure perceived
as anti-Semitic." He describes the 19th century German-Jewish poet
Heinrich Heine as "using his skill, reputation and popularity to
undermine the intellectual confidence of the established order."

In defense of this highly provocative view, Prof. MacDonald quotes
Benjamin Disraeli on the effects of centuries of Jewish-gentile
relations on Jews: "They may have become so odious and so hostile to
mankind as to merit for their present conduct, no matter how
occasioned, the obloquy and ill-treatment of the communities in which
they dwell and with which they are scarcely permitted to mingle."

Apart from any questions of motives, however, is the question of
numbers. Jews are a tiny minority in the United States and within that
minority there is disagreement even on matters that clearly affect
Jews. How can Jews possibly be responsible for dramatic changes in the
intellectual landscape? In Prof. MacDonald's view, the explanation
lies in the intelligence, energy, dedication, and cohesiveness of
Jews. He attributes a great deal to the average IQ of Jews -- at 115,
a full standard deviation above the white gentile average -- and to
"their hard work and dedication, their desire to make a mark on the
world, and their desire to rise in the world, engage in personal
promotion, and achieve public acclaim... " He also believes Jews have
worked together unfailingly on any question they consider necessary
for survival:

"Intellectual activity is like any other human endeavor: Cohesive
groups outcompete individual strategies." He notes that there has
never been a time when large numbers of white Americans favored
non-white immigration; it was a cohesive, determined minority that
beat down the disorganized resistance of the majority.

Prof. MacDonald believes that because of the effectiveness of some
Jews, it was not even necessary that most Jews actively support
anti-majoritarian movements, but that Jewish activity was still
decisive. As he puts it, "Jewish-dominated intellectual movements were
a critical factor (necessary condition) for the triumph of the
intellectual left in late twentieth-century Western societies." This,
of course, can never be tested, but there can be no doubt that
American Jews have had a disproportionate effect on the American
intellect. Prof. MacDonald quotes Walter Kerr, writing in 1968, to the
effect that "what has happened since World War II is that the American
sensibility has become part Jewish, perhaps as much Jewish as it is
anything else... The literate American mind has come in some measure
to think Jewishly."

Aside from the question of whether Prof. MacDonald is right is the
further question of what difference it makes if he is right. If
correct, his thesis certainly sheds light on the rapidity with which
whites lost their will. Just a few decades ago whites were a confident
race, proud of their achievements, convinced of their fitness to
dominate the globe. Today they are a declining, apologetic people,
ashamed of their history and not sure even of their claim to lands
they have occupied for centuries. It is very rare for fundamental
concepts to be stood on their heads in the course of just a generation
or two, as has happened with thinking about race. Such speed suggests
there has been something more than natural change.

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Here is part of a speech by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, delivered in
Nuernberg on September 13th, 1935 at the Seventh National-Socialist
Party Congress:

"Almost without exception, the intellectual leaders of Marxist atheism
in Germany were Jews, among them being Erich Weinert, Felix Abraham,
Dr. Levy-Lenz and others. At regular meetings, held in the presence of
a notary public, members were requested to register their declaration
of withdrawal from their church for a fee of 2 Marks. And this the
fight for atheism was carried on. Between 1918 and 1933 the
withdrawals from the German Evangelical Churches alone amounted to
two-and-a-half million persons in Germany. The programme which these
atheistic societies laid down in regard to sexual matters is amply
charcterized in the following demands publicly expressed at meetings
and distributed in leaflet form:

1) The complete abrogation of the paragraphs of the law dealing with
the crime of abortion, and the right to have abortion procured free of
charge in State Hospitals.

2) Non-interference with prostitution.

3) The abrogation of all bourgeois-capitalistic regulations in regard
to marriage and divorce.

4) Official registration to be optional and the children to be
educated by the community.

5) Abrogation of all penalties for sexual perversities and amnesty to
be granted to all persons condemned as 'sexual criminals'.

"Truly a case of methodical insanity, which has for its aim the
wilful destruction of the nations and their civilization and the
substitute of barbarism as a fundamental principle of public life.

"Where are the men behind the scenes of this virulent world
movement? Who are the inventors of all this madness? Who transplanted
this ensemble into Russia and is today making the attempt to have it
prevail in other countries? The answer to these question discloses the
actual secret of our anti-Jewish policy and our uncomromising fight
against Jewry; for the Bolshevic International is in reality nothing
less than a Jewish International."

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Jewish Leaders in the Homosexual Movement

Larry Kramer -- co-founder of "Act Up," a homosexual/AIDS activist
organization; co-founder of the Gay Men's Health Crisis

Alan Klein -- co-founder of group ACT UP, co-founder of group Queer
Nation, National Communications Director and chief spokesperson for
the Gay & LesbianAlliance Against Defamation [GLAAD]. Klein also co-
founded the successful multimedia campaign STOPDRLAURA.COM

Arnie Kantrowitz -- co-founder of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against
Defamation [GLAAD].

Jonathan D. Katz -- founded and chairs the Harvey Milk Institute, the
largest queer studies institute in the world. A long time queer
political activist, was a co-founder of Queer Nation, [the key San
Francisco branch].

Harvey Fierstein -- film actor [Mrs. Doubtfire]; well-known gay
activist.

Moises Kaufman -- playwright and film director [The Laramie Project].

Israel Fishman -- founder of the Gay Liberation Caucus in 1970 [now
known as the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgendered Round Table of
the American Library Association], the world's first gay professional
organization.

Bella Abzug and Edward Koch -- both Jewish -- the first members of the
US. House of Representatives to introduce legislation banning
discrimination based on sexual orientation [1974].

Winnie Stachelberg -- political director, Human Rights Campaign [HRC]

Michael S. Aronowitz, The New York Log Cabin Republicans.

Tony Kushner -- gay activist; Tony and 1993 Pulitzer Prize-winning
playwright [for Angels in America, 1992].

Len Hirsch -- president of the GLBT federal government employees
group, GLOBE.

Meg Moritz, Ph.D. -- a Director and member of the Executive Committee
of GLAAD.

Barbara Raab -- an NBC-TV producer; a "Jewish lesbian feminist
journalist, writer."

Charles Kaiser [?] -- author & founding member of National Lesbian and
Gay Journalists Association [NLGJA].

David Goodstein -- owner/publisher of the gay magazine The Advocate
[1975-1985]; co-founder of the National Gay Rights Lobby.

Judy Wieder -- Editor-in-chief, The Advocate gay magazine.

Alison Bechdel [?] -- cartoonist creator and author of the bi-weekly
comic strip "Dykes to Watch Out For."

Kevin Koffler -- Editor-in-chief, Genre gay magazine.

Garrett Glaser -- National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association
[NLGJA] national board member.

Ronald Gold -- reporter for Variety; a leader in the fight to overturn
the American Psychiatric Association's policy that homosexuality is an
illness.

Magnus Hirschfeld [d. 1935], early gay rights activist in Germany;
founded one of the first gay rights organizations, the Scientific
Humanitarian Committee; coined the term "transvestism"; fled Nazi
Germany.

Fred Hochberg -- deputy administrator, U.S. Small Business
Administration; co-chair of the Human Rights Campaign [HRC].

Michael Berman -- member, Human Rights Campaign Board of Directors.
Mitchell Gold -- HRC Board
Marty Lieberman -- HRC Board
Andy Linsky -- HRC Board
Dana Perlman -- HRC Board
Abby Rubenfeld -- HRC Board
Andrew Tobias -- HRC Board
Lara Schwartz -- Senior Counsel, HRC
Heather Wellman -- HRC Field Coordinator
Dan Furmansky -- HRC Senior Field Organizer, West
Sally Green -- HRC Associate Field Director

Rick Rosendall [?] -- President, Gay & Lesbian Activists Alliance of
Washington, DC.

Barney Frank -- member of U.S. Congress; helped create non-
discriminatory employment policies in all U.S. federal agencies

Kerry Lobel -- executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task
Force.

Robin Margolis, American coordinator of the Bi Women's Cultural
Alliance and author [Bisexuality: A Practical Guide].

Evan Wolfson, Senior Staff Attorney, Lambda Legal Defense and
Education Fund -- and -- the executive director of Freedom to Marry.

Jennifer Einhorn -- Communications Director, Gay & Lesbian Alliance
Against Defamation [GLAAD]
Nancy Alpert [?] -- Treasurer, GLAAD
Judy Gluckstern -- Board of Directors, GLAAD.
Stephen M. Jacoby -- Board of Directors, GLAAD.
Matt Riklin -- Board, GLAAD
Carol Rosenfeld -- Board, GLAAD.
William Weinberger -- Board, GLAAD
Tanya Wexler -- Board, GLAAD.
David Huebner -- GLAAD Counsel.

Richard Goldstein -- Village Voice writer on gay culture and politics

Ron Schlittler -- Director of Field & Policy, Parents and Friends of
Lesbians and Gays [PFLAG].

Craig Ziskin -- Deputy Director of Development, PFLAG.

Debra Weill -- Senior Field & Policy Coordinator, PFLAG.

Dody Goldstein -- Board of Directors, PFLAG.

David Horowitz -- Board of Directors, PFLAG.

Shawn Frank -- Board of Directors, PFLAG.

Leon Weinstein -- Chair, Nominating Committee, PFLAG.

Kate Kendell [?], National Center for Lesbian Rights.

Gayle Rubin -- lesbian author/activist.

Hilary Rosen -- a founding member of the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund;
former board co-chair of the Human Rights Campaign.

Roz Richter, American attorney and activist.

Bob Kunst -- long-time activist in gay and Jewish causes.

"Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network" [GLSEN]. Board co-chairs:
Marty Seldman, president

"National Gay & Lesbian Task Force" [NGLTF].
Board co-chairs: ..... Rachel Rosen in Santa Fe, N.M
Dave Fleischer -- Director of Training [political training], NGLTF.
Craig Hoffman -- Board of Directors, NGLTF.
Beth Zemsky -- Board, NGLTF.
Marsha C. Botzer -- Treasurer, NGLTF.
Jeff Levi -- first, Levi was NGTF's lobbyist, early 1980s [NGTF became
NGLTF in 1985]. Later, he was NGLTF executive director.

Bill Rubenstein, J.D. '86, developed the ACLU Lesbian and Gay Rights
Project

Martin Duberman -- author/historian; founded the Center for Lesbian
and Gay Studies at the City University of New York.

Ben Schatz '81, J.D. '85, is executive director of the Gay and Lesbian
Medical Foundation.

Kevin Schaub, American; Executive Director and Dean of the Harvey Milk
Institute in San Francisco, the world's largest center for queer
studies.

Sarah Schulman [1958- ], American playwright, novelist, and activist
[one of the founders of the Lesbian Avengers, a direct-action lesbian
rights organization].

Susan Spielman -- principal/head of Common Ground, an education/
consulting firm specializing in workplace sexual orientation
education; her company has worked with hundreds of U.S. organizations,
helping them to implement domestic partner benefits plans; co-author
of the book Straight Talk About Gays in the Workplace.

Gertrude Stein -- wrote the first openly lesbian novel, "Q.E.D.," in
1903, but it was only published posthumously in 1950.

Rikki Streicher (1925-1994), American activist and businesswoman.

Michael Goff -- founded Out magazine in 1992.

Paulette Goodman -- founder of local chapter [Washington D.C.] of
PFLAG and served as President of the National PFLAG organization from
1988-1992.

Jeffrey Newman, American, president and COO of the Gay Financial
Network; president and CEO of out.com.

Jim Levin -- New York gay historian.

Barrett Brick -- GLAA [Gay and Lesbian Activists Alliance] Treasurer.

Robin Tyler -- American comedian [born Arlene Chernick] who was the
first openly gay comic in North America; Tyler is also an activist who
was the stage producer for the first three gay marches on Washington
and the national protest coordinator for the "Stop Dr. Laura"
campaign; she produces women's comedy and music festivals, and
operates a lesbian travel-tour company.

Dr. Bruce Voeller [1935?-1994] [?] American gay rights activist,
molecular biologist, physiologist, and AIDS researcher (pioneer in the
use of nonoxynol-9 as a spermicide); cofounder and first executive
director of the National Gay Task Force; creator of the Mariposa
Foundation [an AIDS prevention research organization].

Mark Elderkin [?] -- co-founded Gay.com.

Leroy Aarons -- American professor, journalist, and founder of the
National Gay and Lesbian Journalists Association (1990).

Dr. Donald I. Abrams -- American physician, HIV expert, medical
marijuana researcher, and past president of the Gay and Lesbian
Medical Association.

Johnny Abush (1952-2000) -- [Canadian]; archivist of the International
Jewish GBLT Archives.

Roberta Achtenberg [1950- ]; civil rights lawyer and federal official;
appointed as Assistant Secretary for Fair Housing and Equal
Opportunity by President Bill Clinton in 1993.

Miriam Ben-Shalom [1948- ], American Army Reserves drill sergeant and
gay activist; in 1986 she won a ten-year legal battle with the
Reserves
when a court ordered her reinstatement; founder of the Gay, Lesbian,
and Bisexual Veterans Association [GLBVA] in 1990, serving as its
first president.

Larry Brinkin, American gay activist who brought the first domestic
partnership lawsuit [against Southern Pacific Railroad, 1982].

Rob Eichberg, American psychologist, co-creator of National Coming Out
Day [October 11th].

Scott Evertz, American; in April 2001, President Bush appointed him to
serve as the Director of the White House Office of National AIDS
Policy [ONAP].

Gene Falk [?, Jewish name], American business executive; Senior Vice
President of the Showtime Digital Media Group; part of the team that
launched and marketed the U.S. TV series Queer as Folk; Chair of the
Board of Directors of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation
[GLAAD].

Surina Kahn -- American lesbian activist.

Larry Kessler -- founding director in 1983 of the AIDS Action
Committee of Massachusetts, the largest AIDS support organization in
New England.

Kathy Levinson -- American investor and philanthropist; serves on the
board of PlanetOut; also on NGLTF Board of Directors.

Judith Light -- actress, activist for gay causes.

David Mixner -- gay activist, political consultant; co-founder of the
Municipal Elections Committee of Los Angeles [MECLA], a group of
wealthy gays and lesbians who became influential in local politics;
president Bill Clinton's Special Liaison to the Gay-Lesbian Community.

Dan Savage -- American author of gay-themed books [The Kid: What
Happened
After My Boyfriend and I Decided to Go Get Pregnant; Skipping Towards
Gomorrah: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Pursuit of Happiness in
America] and gay-themed- sex-advice columnist [Savage Love].

Susan Schuman, American executive vice-president and general manager
of the Planet Out gay and lesbian online service.

Scott Seomin, American entertainment media coordinator for the Gay &
Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation [GLAAD].

Jason Serinus [Jay Guy Nassberg] -- founder and coordinator of the
Lavender Healing Network; a former gay activist with the New York
chapter of the Gay Liberation Front.

David Sine [?] -- American CEO of C1TV, the first U.S. gay and lesbian
cable TV network.

Rex Wockner -- longtime gay, American journalist who has reported news
for the gay press since 1985.

Jack Fritscher -- became Editor in Chief of Drummer gay magazine
[1977].

Leslie Feinberg [1949- ], American trade unionist, transgender
activist and author [Transgender Warriors: Making History from Joan of
Arc to RuPaul].

Allan Ginsburg - late Jewish poet and leading member of North American
Man Boy Love Association

Dave Heil

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Topaz wrote:
> Jewish Leaders in the Homosexual Movement
>
> Larry Kramer -- co-founder of "Act Up," a homosexual/AIDS activist
> organization; co-founder of the Gay Men's Health Crisis...

Wait 'til you see this, Toupee. There's a fellow who has written a book
claiming that the Nazis had roots in homosexuality.

quote
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id12.html

The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party
By Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams

Documents the homosexual and occultic roots of the Nazi movement in
Germany. Much has been written about Nazi persecution of homosexuals.
Yet, many Nazis were homosexuals themselves, and the so-called
persecution was merely one faction using the state to suppress the other
faction or was unrelated to their being homosexual.


Homosexuality and the Nazi Party

by Scott Lively

Scott Lively is co-author of The Pink Swastika: Homosexuals and the Nazi
Party (Keizer, Oregon: Founders Publishing Company, 1995).


The pink triangle, symbol of the "gay rights" movement, is familiar to
many Americans. As the badge used by the Nazis to designate homosexuals
in the concentration camps, the pink triangle perfectly expresses the
message of "gay rights." That message is that homosexuals are currently
and historically victims of irrational prejudice and that those who
oppose homosexuality are hateful bigots. This all-important victim
status engenders sympathy for the homosexual "cause" among well-meaning
heterosexuals. Thus, millions of otherwise rational Americans support a
movement whose sole unifying characteristic is a sexual lifestyle they
personally find repugnant.

When homosexuals display the pink triangle, they are equating all
opposition to homosexuality with Nazism and themselves with the Jewish
victims of the Holocaust. As pro-homosexual Rabbi Bernard Mehlman puts
it, "Homophobia and Anti-Semitism are part of the same disease." This
quote appeared in an advertisement in a homosexual newspaper. It
announced the dedication ceremony of the New England Holocaust Memorial
in Boston last year. An accompanying article reported that New England
homosexuals had pledged $1 million to help build the memorial, including
$50,000 for an initial monument consisting of six steel and glass
towers. Alongside the monument is an inscription honoring homosexual
victims of the Nazis. Another Holocaust memorial being prepared in New
York City is expected to similarly honor homosexuals. Washington, D.C.
is home to the official U.S. Holocaust Museum which not only maintains a
pro-homosexual display, but also employs noted homosexual activist Klaus
Mueller as a staff researcher. Other Holocaust related projects, such as
the Anne Frank Exhibit now touring the United States, incorporate a
similar message in their programs.

While some homosexuals were interned in Nazi work camps, the role of
homosexuals in Nazi history cannot be accurately represented solely by a
pink triangle. Our review of more than 200 history texts written since
the 1930s suggests that a pink swastika is equally representative, if
not more so. For, ironically, while many homosexuals were persecuted by
the Nazi party, there is no doubt that the Nazi party itself had many
homosexuals within its own ranks, even among its highest leadership.

The Homosexual Roots of the Nazi Party
The "gay rights" movement often portrays itself as an American
phenomenon which arose from the civil rights movement of the 1950s. It
is not uncommon to hear homosexualists (those both "gay" and "straight"
who promote the legitimization of homosexuality) characterize "gay
rights" as the natural third wave of civil rights activism (following
blacks and women). In reality, however, Germany was the birthplace of
"gay rights," and its legacy in that nation is truly alarming.

The "grandfather of gay rights" was a homosexual German lawyer named
Karl Heinrich Ulrichs. Ulrichs had been molested at age 14 by his male
riding instructor. Instead of attributing his adult homosexuality to the
molestation, however, Ulrich devised in the 1860s what became known as
the "third sex" theory of homosexuality. Ulrichs' model holds that male
homosexuals are actually female souls trapped within male bodies. The
reverse phenomenon supposedly explains lesbianism. Since homosexuality
was an innate condition, reasoned Ulrichs, homosexual behavior should be
decriminalized. An early follower of Ulrichs coined the term
"homosexual" in an open letter to the Prussian Minister of Justice in 1869.

By the time Ulrichs died in 1895, the "gay rights" movement in Germany
had gained considerable strength. Frederich Engels noted this in a
letter to Karl Marx regarding Ulrich's efforts: "The pederasts start
counting their numbers and discover they are a powerful group in our
state. The only thing missing is an organization, but it seems to exist
already, but it is hidden." After Ulrichs' death, the movement split
into two separate and opposed factions. One faction followed Ulrichs'
successor, Magnus Hirschfeld, who formed the Scientific Humanitarian
Committee in 1897 and later opened the Institute for Sex Research in
Berlin. The other faction was organized by Adolf Brand, publisher of the
first homosexual magazine, Der Eigene (The Special). Brand, Benedict
Friedlander and Wilhelm Janzen formed the Gemeinschaft der Eigenen (The
Community of the Special) in 1902. What divided these groups was their
concepts of masculinity. Ulrichs' theory embraced a feminine identity.
His, and later Hirschfeld's, followers literally believed they were
women trapped in men's bodies.

The followers of Brand, however, were deeply insulted by Ulrichs'
theory. They perceived themselves not merely as masculine, but as a
breed of men superior in masculine qualities even to heterosexuals. The
Community of the Special (CS) asserted that male homosexuality was the
foundation of all nation-states and that male homosexuals represented an
elite strata of human society. The CS fashioned itself as a modern
incarnation of the warrior cults of ancient Greece. Modeling themselves
after the military heroes of Sparta, Thebes and Crete, the members of
the CS were ultra-masculine, male-supremacist and pederastic (devoted to
man/boy sex). Brand said in Der Eigene that he wanted men who "thirst
for a revival of Greek times and Hellenic standards of beauty after
centuries of Christian barbarism."

One of the keys to understanding both the rise of Nazism and the later
persecution of some homosexuals by the Nazis is found in this early
history of the German "gay rights" movement. For it was the CS which
created and shaped what would become the Nazi persona, and it was the
loathing which these "Butches" held for effeminate homosexuals
("Femmes") which led to the internment of some of the latter in slave
labor camps in the Third Reich.

From Boy Scouts to Brownshirts
The "Butch" homosexuals of the CS transformed Germany. Their primary
vehicle was the German youth movement, known as the Wandervogel (Rovers
or Wandering Youth). "In Central Europe," writes homosexual historian
Parker Rossman, "there was another effort to revive the Greek ideal of
pedagogic pederasty in the movement of 'Wandering Youth'... Ultimately,
Hitler used and transformed the movement...expanding and building upon
its romanticism as a basis for the Nazi Party" (Rossman:103).

Rising spontaneously in the 1890s as an informal hiking and camping
society, the Wandervogel became an official organization at the turn of
the century, similar to the Boy Scouts. From early on, however, the
Wandervogel was dominated and controlled by the pederasts of the CS. CS
co-founder Wilhelm Janzen was its chief benefactor, and its leadership
was rife with homosexuality. In 1912, CS theorist Hans Blueher wrote The
German Wandervogel Movement as an Erotic Phenomenon which told how the
organization was used to recruit young boys into homosexuality.

Wandervogel youths were indoctrinated with Greek paganism and taught to
reject the Christian values of their parents (mostly Catholics and
Lutherans). The CS belief in a homosexual elite took shape within the
Wandervogel in the concept of "der Fuehrer" (The Leader). E.Y.
Hartshorne, in German Youth and the Nazi Dream of Victory, records the
recollections of a former Wandervogel member in this regard: "We little
suspected then what power we had in our hands. We played with the fire
that had set a world in flames, and it made our hearts hot...It was in
our ranks that the word Fuehrer originated, with its meaning of blind
obedience and devotion...And I shall never forget how in those early
days we pronounced the word Gemeinschaft ["community"] with a trembling
throaty note of excitement, as though it hid a deep secret"
(Hartshorne:12). Louis Snyder notes in the Encyclopedia of the Third
Reich that, "The Fuehrer Principle became identical with the elite
principle. The Fuehrer elite were regarded as independent of the will of
the masses" (Snyder:104). Snyder was not writing about the Gemeinschaft
der Eigenen or of the Wandervogel, but of the upper ranks of the Nazi
party some thirty years later. Another Nazi custom from the Wandervogel
was the "Seig Heil" salute, which was an early form of greeting popular
among the wandering youth. During World War I, the greatest hero of the
German youth movement was Gerhard Rossbach. Described by historian
Robert G. L. Waite as a "sadist, murderer and homosexual," Rossbach was
"the most important single contributor of the pre-Hitler youth movement"
(Waite,1969:210). More importantly, Rossbach was the bridge between the
Wandervogel and the Nazi Party.

In the turbulent days following Germany's defeat in World War I, Gerhard
Rossbach was one of many former army officers placed in command of
Freikorps (Free Corps) units. These unofficial auxilary military units
were designed to circumvent limitations imposed on German troop strength
by the Allies. Rossbach organized a Freikorps called Rossbach's
Sturmabteilung (Rossbach's Storm Troopers). Rossbach also built the
largest post-war youth organization in Germany, named the Schilljugend
(Schill Youth) in honor of a famous Prussian soldier. In The Black
Corps, historian Robert Lewis Koehl notes that both Rossbach's Storm
Troopers and the Schilljugend "were notorious for wearing brown shirts
which had been prepared for German colonial troops, acquired from the
old Imperial army stores" (Koehl:19). These Storm Troopers would soon
become known as Nazi Brownshirts. Konrad Heiden, a contemporary of
Hitler and a leading authority on Nazi history, wrote that the Freikorps
"were breeding places of perversion" and that "Rossbach's troop...was
especially proud" of being homosexual (Heiden:295). Rossbach's adjutant
was Edmund Heines, noted for his ability to procure boys for sexual
orgies. Ernst Roehm, recruited by Rossbach into homosexuality, later
commanded the Storm Troopers for the Nazis, where they were more
commonly known as the SA (an acronym for Sturmabteilung).

The Power Behind the Throne
While Adolf Hitler is today recognized as the central figure of Nazism,
he was a less important player when the Nazi machine was first
assembled. Its first leader was Ernst Roehm. Homosexual historian Frank
Rector writes that "Hitler was, to a substantial extent, Roehm's
proteg�" (Rector:80). Roehm had been a captain in the German army.
Hitler had been a mere corporal. After World War I, Roehm was highly
placed in the underground nationalist movement that plotted to overthrow
the Weimar government and worked to subvert it through assassinations
and terrorism. In The Order of the Death's Head, author Heinz Hohne
writes that Roehm met Hitler at a meeting of a socialist terrorist group
called the Iron Fist and "saw in Hitler the demagogue he required to
mobilize mass support for his secret army" (Hohne:20). Roehm, who had
joined the German Worker's Party before Hitler, worked with him to take
over the fledgling organization. With Roehm's backing, Hitler became the
first president of the party in 1921 (ibid.:21) and changed its name to
the National Socialist German Worker's Party. Soon after, Rossbach's
Storm Troopers, the SA, became its military arm. In his classic Nazi
history, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, author William Shirer
describes Roehm as "a stocky, bull-necked, piggish-eyed, scar- faced
professional soldier...[and] like so many of the early Nazis, a
homosexual" (Shirer:64). Rector writes:

Was not the most outstanding, most notorious, of all homosexuals
the celebrated Nazi leader Ernst Ro[e]hm, the virile and manly chief of
the SA, the du buddy of Adolf Hitler from the beginning of his political
career? Hitler's rise had in fact depended upon Ro[e]hm and everyone
knew it. Ro[e]hm's gay fun and games were certainly no secret; his
amorous forays to gay bars and gay Turkish baths were riotous. Whatever
anti-homosexual sentiments may have been expressed by straight Nazis
were more than offset by the reality of highly visible, spectacular,
gay-loving Ro[e]hm. If there were occasional ominous rumblings and
grumblings about "all those queers" in the SA and Movement, and some
anti-gay flare-ups, homosexual Nazis felt more-or-less secure in the lap
of the Party. After all, the National Socialist Party member who wielded
the greatest power aside from Hitler was Ro[e]hm (Rector:50f).

Betraying his roots in the "Butch" faction of the German "gay rights"
movement, Roehm viewed homosexuality as the basis for a new society.
Louis Snyder writes that Roehm "projected a social order in which
homosexuality would be regarded as a human behavior pattern of high
repute...he flaunted his homosexuality in public and insisted that his
cronies do the same. What was needed, Roehm believed, was a proud and
arrogant lot who could brawl, carouse, smash windows, kill and slaughter
for the hell of it. Straights, in his eyes, were not as adept in such
behavior as practicing homosexuals" (Snyder:55). "The principle function
of this army-like organization," writes historian Thomas Fuchs, "was
beating up anyone who opposed the Nazis, and Hitler believed this was a
job best undertaken by homosexuals" (Fuchs:48f).

The favorite meeting place of the SA was a "gay" bar in Munich called
the Bratwurstglockl where Roehm kept a reserved table (Hohne:82). This
was the same tavern where some of the earliest formative meetings of the
Nazi Party had been held (Rector:69). At the Bratwurstglockl, Roehm and
associates-Edmund Heines, Karl Ernst, Ernst's partner Captain Rohrbein,
Captain Petersdorf, Count Ernst Helldorf and the rest-would meet to plan
and strategize. These were the men who orchestrated the Nazi campaign of
intimidation and terror. All of them were homosexual (Heiden:371).

Indeed, homosexuality was all that qualified many of these men for their
positions in the SA. Heinrich Himmler would later complain of this:
"Does it not constitute a danger to the Nazi movement if it can be said
that Nazi leaders are chosen for sexual reasons?" (Gallo:57). Himmler
was not so much opposed to homosexuality itself as to the fact that non-
qualified people were given high rank based on their homosexual
relations with Roehm and others. For example, SA Obergruppenfuhrer
(Lieutenant General) Karl Ernst, a militant homosexual, had been a hotel
doorman and a waiter before joining the SA. "Karl Ernst is not yet 35,"
writes Gallo, "he commands 250,000 men...he is simply a sadist, a common
thug, transformed into a responsible official" (ibid.:50f).

This strange brand of nepotism was a hallmark of the SA. By 1933 the SA
had grown far larger than the German army, yet the Vikingkorps
(Officers' Corps) remained almost exclusively homosexual. "Roehm, as the
head of 2,500,000 Storm Troops," writes historian H.R. Knickerbocker,
"had surrounded himself with a staff of perverts. His chiefs, men of
rank of Gruppenfuhrer or Obergruppenfuhrer, commanding units of several
hundred thousand Storm Troopers, were almost without exception
homosexuals. Indeed, unless a Storm Troop officer were homosexual he had
no chance of advancement" (Knickerbocker:55).
unquote

That should give you and the boys something to think about the next time
you don your costumes and begin to goose-step around the old clubhouse.

staten

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> > "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:fa6b8a7f-3b8d-49df...@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 30, 8:33 pm, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > > "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > In Islam homosexuality is rampant.
>
> > > You can prove that, of course?
> > >It is not so hard to prove it if one reads books and history about
> > >Islam. But you obviously are not in the category of people reading
> > >books. .
> > >For your education.
> > >1.As I had shown in my post the “dancing boys” in Afghanistan is just
> > >one example . I am not surprised why you being ashamed have not
> > >included this example in your comment.
> > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/12/dancing-boys-afghanistan
>
> > That does nothing to prove your allegations. Nothing at all.
> > “nothing to prove”? Look what you deleted :
>
> It proves nothing like you claim.

It proves that you are an empty-headed buffoon having absolutely
nothing to support your point.


>And I delete it again due to its total inconsistency with what you claim.

Of course you deleted it. That's the only thing you can afford to
conceal your ignorance and embarrassment. Loser.

>Generalisations do NOT offer proof of concept.

Especially when you delete all proofs and then call it
“generalizations” . Can anyone be more pathetic and stupid?

> You are not worth the trouble of response. You are a brainles donkey.-

You better go and fuck your goat, Ahmed. Let it be your consolation
prize after you have demonstrated being a complete idiot and a sore
loser in debating on the subject. I hope this favorite Muslim pastime
will make you feel much better.

Aaronovich

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"Dave Heil" <k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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> Topaz wrote:
>> Jewish Leaders in the Homosexual Movement
>>
>> Larry Kramer -- co-founder of "Act Up," a homosexual/AIDS activist
>> organization; co-founder of the Gay Men's Health Crisis...
>
> Wait 'til you see this, Toupee. There's a fellow who has written a book
> claiming that the Nazis had roots in homosexuality.
>
> quote
> http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id12.html
>
> The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party
> By Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams

Jews! Hardly likely to be either honest or objective.

Stay on topie and stop trying to move the conversation to something less
embarrassing to Jews.

Thank you.


Aviroce

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On Dec 1, 1:01 am, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
> On Nov 30, 11:05 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Staten is on opium for Afghanistan.  He is disconnected, dissociated,
> > and hafl-wit.  In the United States of America, homosexuals get also
> > married and their union has advantages.  Homosexuality is forbidden in
> > Islam.  Jews embrace any sexual perversion.  Read their Talmuds and
> > Torahs.
>
> Read the Koran and hadith , Muslim. Read your muslim history, idot.
> Homosexuality is an intrinsic part of your Muslim culture.
>
> For your education.http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/12/dancing-boys-afghanistan
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I read the Koran, There is no reference on homosexuality. But the
Talmuds and Torahs are very specific. Need I say more or post more?

Aviroce

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> Central to this program ...
>
> read more »

I am impressed by your post. Do you know what an axiom is? It is a
self-evident truth (logically speaking, an assumed true statement).
What you brought up are axiomatic about Jews, yet many Americans have
dimness on their eyes to see it.

staten

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> I read the Koran, There is no reference on homosexuality.

Oh really? How about the company of untouched virginal boys who are
"fresh like pearls" waiting you in paradise as a reward for
committing plunder, loot, rape and murder of infidels in this life?
You must be reading your Koran between the lines , putz . Everyone
else who is familiar with your immoral filthy book easily can find the
references there.

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/sexinislam.shtml
In the description of paradise, Allah says that He has reserved young
and beautiful boys as servants for those who qualify to enter the
garden of paradise. This pleasure of child molestation is especially
relevant to the Jihadis of today, who are dying just to have a real
taste of paradise. Here are a few samples of verses from the Qur’an.
052.020 They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged
in ranks; and We shall join them to Companions, with beautiful big and
lustrous eyes.
052.021 And those who believe and whose families follow them in
Faith,- to them shall We join their families: Nor shall We deprive
them (of the fruit) of aught of their works: (Yet) is each individual
in pledge for his deeds.
052.022 And We shall bestow on them, of fruit and meat, anything they
shall desire.
052.023 They shall there exchange, one with another, a (loving) cup
free of frivolity, free of all taint of ill.
052.024 Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, young male
servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded.
052.025 They will advance to each other, engaging in mutual enquiry.
052.026 They will say: "Aforetime, we were not without fear for the
sake of our people.
052.027 "But Allah has been good to us, and has delivered us from the
Penalty of the Scorching Wind.


http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/heaven.html
Koran 56:17
Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.

Koran 76:19
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou
seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Famous poets in Arabia also glorified homosexuality. Here is a poem
in 'Perfumed Garden' by Abu Nuwas for you :

O the joy of sodomy!
So now be sodomites, you Arabs.
Turn not away from it--
therein is wondrous pleasure.
Take some coy lad with kiss-curls
twisting on his temple
and ride as he stands like some gazelle
standing to her mate.
A lad whom all can see girt with sword
and belt not like your whore who has
to go veiled.
Make for smooth-faced boys and do your
very best to mount them, for women are
the mounts of the devils

I hope you enjoyed it and "turned not away from sodomy". Your
Koran , hadith and the famous Arab poets of the past all say it's OK
to sodomize little , pre-pubescent boys "of perpetual freshness"

> Talmuds and Torahs are very specific. Need I say more or post more?-

Yes, go ahead and say how's your affairs with little boys . You should
not be ashamed anymore. Your Koran , mullahs, and your famous poets
all say go for it and enjoy "the joy of sodomy"


Topaz

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On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:17:53 -0500, Dave Heil <k8...@frontiernet.net>
wrote:


>Wait 'til you see this, Toupee. There's a fellow who has written a book
>claiming that the Nazis had roots in homosexuality.

>
>quote
>http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id12.html
>
>The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party
>By Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams

The "fellow" you refer to is a worthless piece of shit and so is the
book. Abrams is a Jew name. They are probably both Jews.


"The text of this web page was originally published by the United
States Holocaust Memorial Museum as a pamphlet titled "Homosexuals:
Victims of the Nazi Era".

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum,
100 Raoul Walenberg Place SW,
Washington D.C. 20024-2150.

As part of the Nazis' attempt to purify German society and propagate
an "Aryan master race," they condemned homosexuals as "socially
aberrant." Soon after taking office on January 30, 1933, Hitler banned
all homosexual and lesbian organizations. Brownshirted storm troopers
raided the institutions and gathering places of homosexuals. Greatly
weakened and driven underground, this subculture had flourished in the
relative freedom of the 1920s, in the pubs and cafes of Berlin,
Hamburg, Munich, Bremen, and other cities."
http://www.holocaust-trc.org/homosx.htm

>
>Documents the homosexual


Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS and head of the Gestapo) said in a
speech in 1936 on the subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst
Roehm (which he had engineered): "Two years ago...when it became
necessary, we did not scruple to strike this plague with death, even
within our own ranks." Himmler closed with these words: "Just as we
today have gone back to the ancient Germanic view on the question of
marriage mixing different races, so too in our judgement of
homosexuality, a symptom of degeneracy which could destroy our race,
we must return to the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of
degenerates"

>and occultic roots of the Nazi movement

ADOLF HITLER
NUREMBERG
SPEECH OF SEPTEMBER 6, 1938


..National Socialism is not a cult-movement - a movement for worship;
it is exclusively a 'volkic' political doctrine based upon racial
principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and
leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship.
Therefore we have no rooms for worship, but only halls for the people
- no open spaces for worship, but spaces for assemblies and parades.
We have no religious retreats, but arenas for sports and
playing-fields, and the characteristic feature of our places of
assembly is not the mystical gloom of a cathedral, but the brightness
and light of a room or hall which combines beauty with fitness for its
purpose. In these halls no acts of worship are celebrated, they are
exclusively devoted to gatherings of the people of the kind which we
have come to know in the course of our long struggle; to such
gatherings we have become accustomed and we wish to maintain them. We
will not allow mystically-minded occult folk with a passion for
exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement.
Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else - in any
case, something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our
program there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and
straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central
point of this perception and of this profession of belief the
maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by
God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a
divine will - not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship,
but openly before the face of the Lord.

There were times when a half-light was the necessary condition for the
effectiveness of certain teachings: we live in an age when light is
for us the fundamental condition of successful action. It will be a
sorry day when through the stealing in of obscure mystic elements the
Movement or the State itself issues obscure commissions.... It is even
dangerous to issue any commission for a so-called place of worship,
for with the building will arise the necessity for thinking out
so-called religious recreations or religious rites, which have nothing
to do with National Socialism. Our worship is exclusively the
cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural,
therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission
before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us
men: it is to these we pay our respect. Our commandment is the
courageous fulfillment of the duties arising from those laws. But for
religious rites we are not the authorities, but the churches! If
anyone should believe that these tasks of ours are not enough for him,
that they do not correspond with his convictions, then it is for him
to prove that God desires to use him to change things for the better.
In no event can National Socialism or the National Socialist State
give to German art other tasks than those which accord with our view
of the world.

The only sphere in which the Jewish international newspapers still
today think that they can attack the new Reich is the cultural sphere.
Here they attempt, by a constant appeal to the sentimentality -
untroubled by any sort of knowledge - of the world-citizens of
democracy to bewail the downfall of German culture: in other words,
they lament the commercial closing-down of those elements which, as
the heralds and exponents of the November Republic, forced their
cultural characteristics, as unnatural as they were deplorable, upon
the period between the two Empires; and which have now played out
their role for good and all....

Fortunately, however, despite the short time which the National
Socialist leadership has been able to allot to works of culture,
positive facts, here too, speak louder than any negative criticism. We
Germans can today speak with justice of a new awakening of our
cultural life, which finds its confirmation not in mutual compliments
and literary phrases, but rather in positive evidences of cultural
creative force. German architecture, sculpture, painting, drama, and
the rest bring today documentary proof of a creative period in art,
which for richness and impetuosity has rarely been matched in the
course of human history. And although the Jewish-democratic press
magnates in their effrontery even today seek brazenly to turn these
facts upside down, we know that the cultural achievements of Germany
will in a few years have won from the world respect and appreciation
far more unstinted even than that which they now accord to our work in
the material field. The buildings which are arising in the Reich today
will speak a language that endures, a language, above all, more
compelling than the Yiddish gabblings of the democratic, international
judges of our culture. What the fingers of these poor wretches have
penned or are penning the world will - perhaps unfortunately - forget,
as it has forgotten so much else. But the gigantic works of the Third
Reich are a token of its cultural renascence and shall one day belong
to the inalienable cultural heritage of the Western world, just as the
great cultural achievements of this world in the past belong to us
today...

Topaz

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On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:55:32 +1000, "Aaronovich" <aaron...@home.com>
wrote:


The National Socialists made a movie called "The Eternal Jew". Anyone
can see their movie and see that one of the main reasons they were
against the Jews was because the Jews were promoting homosexual
perversion in the media. Here is an article they made about the movie:

"The self-portrait Jewry offered the world was disgusting from the
beginning. All that is overshadowed by the powerful examples in this
new and most valuable film, The Eternal Jew. This film with its
persuasive power must be shown everywhere where anti-Semitism is still
questioned. No one will will fail to shudder at the sneaking servility
and dirty bartering of the Jews when they start out, at the perfidy,
insidiousness and vulgarity of their methods, at the brutality and
all-devouring hatred they exhibit when they reach their goal and
control finance.
The most revolting scenes show Jewish slaughtering methods. These
customs, which cast a particularly vivid spotlight on the so-called
Jewish religion, are so terrible that it is hard to watch the film as
the grinning Jewish butchers carry out their work. It is illuminating
to see how stubbornly Jewry holds to its method of slaughter and with
which casuistry it defends it against the horror of the civilized
world. Rarely will people feel more horror than which watching the
desperate and horrible death struggle of the slaughtered animals. Long
before the seizure of power, the NSDAP fought against Jewish
slaughter. National Socialist representatives in parliament repeatedly
introduced legislation to abolish this form of animal torture through
a ban on Jewish slaughter. Such proposals were always rejected, since
the entire Jewish and Jewish-influenced press ran long articles
against them and the so-called German parties refused to support
National Socialism in its battle against this evil.
Not only in this regard, but in other areas too we are reminded with a
shudder of what once was reality in Germany: the power of the Jews in
the economy, finance, culture, theater, film, publishing, press,
radio, education and politics. All these Jewish leaders of the Weimar
era had their home or their origin in the filthy ghettos of the East.
One has a deep sense of salvation after seeing this film. We have
broken their power over us. We are the initiators of the fight against
world Jewry, which now directs its hate, its brutal greed and
destructive will toward us. We must win this battle for ourselves, for
Europe, for the world. This film will be a valuable tool in that
struggle."

Dave Heil

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Topaz wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:17:53 -0500, Dave Heil <k8...@frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Wait 'til you see this, Toupee. There's a fellow who has written a book
>> claiming that the Nazis had roots in homosexuality.
>
>> quote
>> http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id12.html
>>
>> The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party
>> By Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams
>
> The "fellow" you refer to is a worthless piece of shit and so is the
> book. Abrams is a Jew name. They are probably both Jews.

I've never met a Jew with the surname "Lively". It wouldn't matter
though. It'd be turn about as fair play for the article you posted on
Jews and homosexuality. Get yourself familiar with it because every
time you run your canned piece on Jews and homosexuality, you're going
to see pink swastikas again.

> "The text of this web page was originally published by the United
> States Holocaust Memorial Museum as a pamphlet titled "Homosexuals:
> Victims of the Nazi Era".
>
> United States Holocaust Memorial Museum,
> 100 Raoul Walenberg Place SW,
> Washington D.C. 20024-2150.

YOU are quoting the HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM? You must be hard pressed
for a source.


>
> As part of the Nazis' attempt to purify German society and propagate
> an "Aryan master race," they condemned homosexuals as "socially
> aberrant." Soon after taking office on January 30, 1933, Hitler banned
> all homosexual and lesbian organizations. Brownshirted storm troopers
> raided the institutions and gathering places of homosexuals. Greatly
> weakened and driven underground, this subculture had flourished in the
> relative freedom of the 1920s, in the pubs and cafes of Berlin,
> Hamburg, Munich, Bremen, and other cities."
> http://www.holocaust-trc.org/homosx.htm
>
>
>
>> Documents the homosexual
>
>
> Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS and head of the Gestapo) said in a
> speech in 1936 on the subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst
> Roehm (which he had engineered): "Two years ago...when it became
> necessary, we did not scruple to strike this plague with death, even
> within our own ranks." Himmler closed with these words: "Just as we
> today have gone back to the ancient Germanic view on the question of
> marriage mixing different races, so too in our judgement of
> homosexuality, a symptom of degeneracy which could destroy our race,
> we must return to the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of
> degenerates"
>
>> and occultic roots of the Nazi movement

Wow! That really seems to have touched a nerve! The Pink Swastika
piece speaks of the dichotomy between the Nazi views on homosexuality
and the fact that so many in leadership *were* homosexual.

Think about that the next time you and the lads goose-step across the
floor wearing your Nazi costumes.

Aaronovich

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"Dave Heil" <k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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> Topaz wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:17:53 -0500, Dave Heil <k8...@frontiernet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Wait 'til you see this, Toupee. There's a fellow who has written a book
>>> claiming that the Nazis had roots in homosexuality.
>>
>>> quote
>>> http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id12.html
>>>
>>> The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party
>>> By Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams
>>
>> The "fellow" you refer to is a worthless piece of shit and so is the
>> book. Abrams is a Jew name. They are probably both Jews.
>
> I've never met a Jew with the surname "Lively". It wouldn't matter
> though. It'd be turn about as fair play for the article you posted on
> Jews and homosexuality. Get yourself familiar with it because every time
> you run your canned piece on Jews and homosexuality, you're going to see
> pink swastikas again.

We know how you work. Never mind decent, honest and relevant parallels - the
Jew will use any distortion to deflect attention from his/her nefarious
activities.

Thank you so much for proving how deceitful you are.

Aaronovich

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"staten" <stat...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 2, 12:51 am, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 1, 1:01 am, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:

Please read the Talmud. Even today it is telling Jews it is acceptable to
have sex with little children. It is saying that having deviant sex with
children is not considered to be a sexual act. It is saying it is OK to have
sexual relations with three year old children.

You are a very one-eyed, dishonets, agenda driven and nasty person. You are
not very intelligent, either.


staten

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On Dec 2, 6:38 pm, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message

>
> news:13284db2-11d2-4de2...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 2, 12:51 am, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 1, 1:01 am, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> Please read the Talmud. Even today it is telling Jews it is acceptable to
> have sex with little children. It is saying that having deviant sex with
> children is not considered to be a sexual act. It is saying it is OK to have
> sexual relations with three year old children.

Listen, schmo , according to to the message ID you provided, it is
my last reply to Aviroce. Now tell me, idiot, where the fuck have
you detected Jews in my comments ? Trying to change the subject
because your ass 've been kicked and you have nothing to back up your
claims? Not gonna happen. As I had said to you , moron, it having
no connection with the subject discussed. You are clueless about
history of homosexuality in Islam . Try reading books sometime for
your own good, sucker.


> You are a very one-eyed, dishonets, agenda driven and nasty person. You are
> not very intelligent, either.

No good. Again you fucked up your homework, Ahmed. Go back to
shagging your goat, and don't come back till you are ready to bring
something making sense. Is that clear? Dismissed, fool.

Message has been deleted

Aviroce

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Dec 2, 2009, 11:08:06 PM12/2/09
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You really don't make sense.
I read that you say that you are not a Jew. Does that matter?If you
talk like a Jew, write like a Jew, lie like a Jew, fight like a Jew,
you are a Jew.

> all say go for it and enjoy "the joy of sodomy"- Hide quoted text -

Aaronovich

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Dec 3, 2009, 12:45:42 AM12/3/09
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"staten" <stat...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 2, 6:38 pm, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> news:13284db2-11d2-4de2...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 2, 12:51 am, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 1, 1:01 am, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> Please read the Talmud. Even today it is telling Jews it is acceptable to
> have sex with little children. It is saying that having deviant sex with
> children is not considered to be a sexual act. It is saying it is OK to
> have
> sexual relations with three year old children.

>Listen, schmo , according to to the message ID you provided, it is
>my last reply to Aviroce. Now tell me, idiot, where the fuck have
>you detected Jews in my comments ? Trying to change the subject
>because your ass 've been kicked and you have nothing to back up your
>claims?

Do not attempt to lecture me on good manners. Your record for such behavior
is not good. You are seen as a clown by Jew and Gentile alike.

It would help if you were to take a dose of reality and honesty before
putting your hands anywhere near a keyboard again.

Aviroce

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On Dec 2, 6:38 pm, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message

I agree with this assessment. I know Staten for a long time on the
Net.

Aviroce

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I think he accused of being not intelligent. I agree with that. I
don't think you are a child although most of the times you curse like
a teenager. Cursing with vulgarity is a sign of rigidity, stupidity
and rationalization to deceive and protect oneself from the truth.

Aviroce

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> will  make you feel much  better.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Bestiality is part of Judaism. Nevertheless, in the United States of
America have you wondered why women with male dogs are close to their
animals? One time, I saw the dog going for a woman's front middle
and sniffing. That is just an example. But such behavior is common
among single women who live alone in general.

Aviroce

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Dec 3, 2009, 2:38:02 AM12/3/09
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I can smell the conflict between the Germans and Jews. USA has
similar conflict. But USA civil rights laws prevent actions of
discrimination against Jews though this minority is so influencial as
to bankrupt the whole nation. It is going to take a long time before
Americans "Disentangle the tentacles of the octopus," the Jews.


You seem specialized in this subject matter. I am just a student
learning from everyone. I grow as I learn. Thanks.

*I posted your article on Imperialism_Zionism with full credit to you
under the subject "Characterization of Jews by Dr. Kevin MacDonalds."
Such characterizations define what Jews are.


On Dec 2, 6:10 am, Topaz <mars1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:17:53 -0500, Dave Heil <k...@frontiernet.net>

staten

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On Dec 3, 12:45 am, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6c9d0a97-6467-4da7...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 2, 6:38 pm, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:13284db2-11d2-4de2...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > On Dec 2, 12:51 am, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 1, 1:01 am, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > Please read the Talmud. Even today it is telling Jews it is acceptable to
> > have sex with little children. It is saying that having deviant sex with
> > children is not considered to be a sexual act. It is saying it is OK to
> > have
> > sexual relations with three year old children.
> >Listen, schmo ,  according to to the message ID you provided,  it is
> >my last reply to Aviroce.     Now tell me,  idiot, where the fuck have
> >you detected  Jews in my comments ? Trying to  change the subject
> >because your ass 've been kicked and  you have nothing to back up your
> >claims?

> Do not attempt to lecture me on good manners.

Where the hell in my comment above do you see I lecturing you on “good
manners” , idiot? Are you playing dumb, or are you really dumb like
a door knob?


>Your record for such behavior is not good. You are seen as a clown by Jew and Gentile >alike.

Keep recording, dumbfuck. I don't give a shit what self-hating Jews,
Muslims or leftist crackpots think about my behavior.

> It would help if you were to take a dose of reality and honesty before
> putting your hands anywhere near a keyboard again.

The loser, who employs all sort of trickery and obfuscation just to
avoid talking about the subject he hates now bubbling about “reality
and honesty”. What a full of shitnik assclown!

staten

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On Dec 2, 11:08 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You really don't make sense.
> I read that you say that you are not a Jew.  Does that matter?If you
> talk like a Jew, write like a Jew, lie like a Jew, fight like a Jew,
> you are a Jew.


Another pathetic attempt to change the subject to avoid talking about
homosexuality in Islam. No way . I won't let that happen.

Returning back to your original statement . You said “ I read the
Koran, There is no reference on homosexuality. “ Explain me ,
goatfucker, for what purposes then Allah created young virginal boys
“fresh like pearls” waiting for you in paradise?
And why Arab poets of the past glorified sodomy if you say that there
is no homosexuality in Islam?

I can help you to hold your mind from wandering, Arab. Here is my
response to your comment. Just concentrate on it , stop thinking
about your goat for a while , and response by putting your comment
below.

staten

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Dec 3, 2009, 11:04:30 AM12/3/09
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If you are such a staunch defender of truth why then you, scummy
fraud , do everything you can trying to avoid talking about
homosexuality in Islam? Why are you trying “to deceive and protect
yourself from the truth” that pederasty and sodomy is a an
intrinsic part of your Muslim culture?

Just reminding you again what we are talking about. Read my response
to you again and put your comment under it .
Bullshittery about Jews, my behavior, or some other out of topic shit
you two idiots trying to switch to is not accepted.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Returning back to your original statement . You said “ I read the
Koran, There is no reference on homosexuality. “ Explain me ,
goatfucker, for what purposes then Allah created young virginal boys
“fresh like pearls” waiting for you in paradise?
And why Arab poets of the past glorified sodomy if you say that there
is no homosexuality in Islam?

I can help you to hold your mind from wandering, Arab. Here is my
response to your comment. Just concentrate on it , stop thinking
about your goat for a while , and response by putting your comment
below.

staten

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Dec 3, 2009, 11:49:04 AM12/3/09
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> among single women who live alone in general.-

This stupid conclusion is a result of being a Muslim . But being a
Muslim surely makes you think that all non-Muslim mankind got to
behave like all Muslims do.

Do you remember what your beloved Ayatollah Khomeini' s teachings
about bestiality? Here it is :

Dr. Homa Darabi Foundation,
On sex with Animals

Teachings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Supreme Leader of the Islamic
Revolution


"If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their
urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no
longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as
possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who
sodomized it."

"It is forbidden to consume the excrement of animals or their nasal
secretions. But if such are mixed in minute proportions into other
foods their consumption is not forbidden."

"The meat of horses, mules, or donkeys is not recommended. It is
strictly forbidden if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man.
In that case, the animal must be taken outside the city and sold."

"If a man fornicates with an animal and ejaculates, ablution is
necessary."

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


So, you see , Arab, if you enjoy fucking goats, horses , mules or
donkeys , like your great teacher Ayatollah Khomeini said, then you
foolishly assume that all people must do the same. But you are dead
wrong, goatfucker. I never heard that Christian priests, Buddhist
monks, or even African voodoo shamans would approve doing such
disgusting things.

Aaronovich

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"staten" <stat...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 2, 11:08 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You really don't make sense.
> I read that you say that you are not a Jew. Does that matter?If you
> talk like a Jew, write like a Jew, lie like a Jew, fight like a Jew,
> you are a Jew.

You are a latent homosexual. That much is evident.

You are also, very obviously uneducated, crass, rude, crude and possessing
of no social skills at all.

Topaz

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On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:56:51 -0500, Dave Heil <k8...@frontiernet.net>
wrote:

>I've never met a Jew with the surname "Lively". It wouldn't matter

>though. It'd be turn about as fair play for the article you posted on
>Jews and homosexuality. Get yourself familiar with it because every
>time you run your canned piece on Jews and homosexuality, you're going
>to see pink swastikas again.

But my article is truth and yours is Jewish horse poop.


Here is what a leftist wrote:
"Thousands of homosexuals were thrown into the Nazis' concentration
camps, where most perished. Of the survivors, many have continued to
be stigmatized by convictions under legislation which made
homosexuality an offense against public morality. In the unanimous
vote, the Bundestag authorized the government to prepare legislation
which would expunge these individuals' criminal records. The Bundestag
also expressed regret that the Nazi law against homosexuality, known
as Paragraph 175, remained in force in the Federal Republic of
Germany until 1969.
December 8
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung 2000

>
>> "The text of this web page was originally published by the United
>> States Holocaust Memorial Museum as a pamphlet titled "Homosexuals:
>> Victims of the Nazi Era".
>>
>> United States Holocaust Memorial Museum,
>> 100 Raoul Walenberg Place SW,
>> Washington D.C. 20024-2150.
>
>YOU are quoting the HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM? You must be hard pressed
>for a source.

You have your head up your aft end, figuratively speaking.


>>
>> As part of the Nazis' attempt to purify German society and propagate
>> an "Aryan master race," they condemned homosexuals as "socially
>> aberrant." Soon after taking office on January 30, 1933, Hitler banned
>> all homosexual and lesbian organizations. Brownshirted storm troopers
>> raided the institutions and gathering places of homosexuals. Greatly
>> weakened and driven underground, this subculture had flourished in the
>> relative freedom of the 1920s, in the pubs and cafes of Berlin,
>> Hamburg, Munich, Bremen, and other cities."
>> http://www.holocaust-trc.org/homosx.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>> Documents the homosexual
>>
>>
>> Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS and head of the Gestapo) said in a
>> speech in 1936 on the subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst
>> Roehm (which he had engineered): "Two years ago...when it became
>> necessary, we did not scruple to strike this plague with death, even
>> within our own ranks." Himmler closed with these words: "Just as we
>> today have gone back to the ancient Germanic view on the question of
>> marriage mixing different races, so too in our judgement of
>> homosexuality, a symptom of degeneracy which could destroy our race,
>> we must return to the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of
>> degenerates"
>>
>>> and occultic roots of the Nazi movement
>
>Wow! That really seems to have touched a nerve! The Pink Swastika
>piece speaks of the dichotomy between the Nazi views on homosexuality
>and the fact that so many in leadership *were* homosexual.

You have your head up your aft end, figuratively speaking.


Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS and head of the Gestapo) said in a
speech in 1936 on the subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst
Roehm (which he had engineered): "Two years ago...when it became
necessary, we did not scruple to strike this plague with death, even
within our own ranks." Himmler closed with these words: "Just as we
today have gone back to the ancient Germanic view on the question of
marriage mixing different races, so too in our judgement of
homosexuality, a symptom of degeneracy which could destroy our race,
we must return to the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of
degenerates"

staten

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On Dec 3, 7:44 pm, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message

>
> news:5002a26e-9d1a-4293...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 2, 11:08 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You really don't make sense.
> > I read that you say that you are not a Jew. Does that matter?If you
> > talk like a Jew, write like a Jew, lie like a Jew, fight like a Jew,
> > you are a Jew.
>
> You are a latent homosexual. That much is evident.

This groundless allegation is just another evidence that you are an
absurd, confused cretin.

>
> You are also, very obviously uneducated, crass, rude, crude and possessing
> of no social skills at all.

Looks like you have completely exhausted your mind , Ahmed. Why
won't you just go and fuck your goat and while you do that die from
heart failure. Hardly there is a good reason for you to live and
soil this planet, animal.

Topaz

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Israel Line - Friday, June 10, 2005

Thousands Participate in Gay Pride Parade in Tel Aviv.

Thousands of people took to the streets of Tel Aviv this
afternoon to participate in the city's annual gay pride parade,
HA'ARETZ reported. The parade set out from Rabin Square and was to end
in Yarkon Park, where musical performances were planned.

MKs Yosef Lapid (Shinui), Eitan Cabel (Labor) and Zehava Gal-On
(Yahad), as well as Tel Aviv Mayor Ron Huldai, were set to speak at
the event.

The chairman of the national Association of Gay Men, Lesbians,
Bisexuals and Transgender in Israel, Mike Hamel, said today the parade
was organized with the "close cooperation" of the Tel Aviv
municipality. "It's great to see it, and great that it's one of the
few places in the world that has the support of a municipal body, a
government body," he said.

Hamel said the event is called a "pride parade," because it has
to do with "being proud of the way we are and the demand to accept
every person as a person, as he is, and not trying to change him."

Full story:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/586950.html

By 1992, lesbian and gay activists had succeeded in getting the
Knesset to amend Israel's Equal Workplace Opportunities Law to outlaw
discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
In 1993, the Israeli military rescinded its few regulations
discriminating against gays and lesbians. And in 1994, the Israeli
Supreme Court ordered El Al Israel Airlines to grant a free plane
ticket to the partner of a gay flight attendant, as the airline had
long done for heterosexual partners of employees.
http://www.thegully.com/essays/gaymundo/020220_gay_israel_history.html

Topaz

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The USA is having homosexually perverted marriages. What would the
neocon bootlickers of Jews be saying if a Muslim country did that?

The Culture War:

Israel Line - Friday, June 10, 2005

Thousands Participate in Gay Pride Parade in Tel Aviv.

Thousands of people took to the streets of Tel Aviv this
afternoon to participate in the city's annual gay pride parade,
HA'ARETZ reported. The parade set out from Rabin Square and was to end
in Yarkon Park, where musical performances were planned.

MKs Yosef Lapid (Shinui), Eitan Cabel (Labor) and Zehava Gal-On
(Yahad), as well as Tel Aviv Mayor Ron Huldai, were set to speak at
the event.

The chairman of the national Association of Gay Men, Lesbians,
Bisexuals and Transgender in Israel, Mike Hamel, said today the parade
was organized with the "close cooperation" of the Tel Aviv
municipality. "It's great to see it, and great that it's one of the
few places in the world that has the support of a municipal body, a
government body," he said.

Hamel said the event is called a "pride parade," because it has
to do with "being proud of the way we are and the demand to accept
every person as a person, as he is, and not trying to change him."

Full story:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/586950.html

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- -- - -- -
http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/1122-03.htm
Iran: Two More Executions for Homosexual Conduct
NEW YORK - November 22 -
Iran's execution of two men last week for homosexual conduct
highlights a
pattern of persecution of gay men that stands in stark violation of
the rights
to life and privacy, Human Rights Watch said today. On Sunday,
November 13, the semi-official Tehran daily Kayhan reported that the
Iranian
government publicly hung two men, Mokhtar N. (24 years old) and Ali A.
(25 years old), in the Shahid Bahonar Square of the northern town of
Gorgan. The government reportedly executed the two men for the crime
of "lavat." Iran's shari'a-based penal code defines lavat as
penetrative and non-penetrative sexual acts between men. Iranian law
punishes all penetrative sexual acts between adult men with the death
penalty.
Non-penetrative sexual acts between men are punished with lashes until
the fourth offense, when they are punished with death�

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NEA, Gay Militants: Joined At The Hip
Lee Duigon

If a private citizen tells his neighbor's children that they ought to
try gay sex, he might wind up in a correctional facility. If he talks
that way to your 13-year-old son, you'll want him put away-pronto.

But when this very same behavior, toward the same children, is
displayed by adults who belong to America's biggest teachers' union,
most parents simply let them do it. In fact, they pay them to.

The NEA is committed to the cause of militant homosexuality. It's the
richest, most politically powerful union in America, and it has daily
access to most of America's children. And it wants to recruit them for
the homosexual lifestyle.

Lean this equation, America:

Public schools=The homosexual agenda

If you don't believe it, visit nea-glc.org/, the website of the
National Education Association's Gay and Lesbian Coalition. There,
among their "great achievements" in shaping NEA policy, the homosexual
militants cite the NEA's promotion of "the lesbian-gay-bisexual
curriculum" and "family life education... regarding the diversity of
sexual orientation."

The NEA has also campaigned for the proclamation of
"Gay-Lesbian-Bisexual-Transsexual History Month" (try putting that on
a T-shirt), homosexual studies at Catholic colleges--and, of course,
homosexual "marriage."

The people of Massachusetts know the teachers' union's commitment to
"gay marriage." Aline Isaacson of GLSEN (Gay-Lesbian-Straight
Education Network), the media's favorite poster gal for "gay
marriage", is also--surprise!-a paid consultant to the Massachusetts
teachers' union. Paid in taxpayer dollars, to boot. (You may remember
Massachusetts GLSEN from a few years ago as the organizers of graphic,
intensely perverted sex "workshops" for public school children--a
scandal that came to be known as "fist-gate.")

Ms. Isaacson, according to the grass-roots Article 8 Alliance, these
days makes it a full-time job lobbying state legislators to keep them
from jumping ship on "gay marriage" and voting for the Bill of Address
which would remove the outlaw Supreme Judicial Court judges who
imposed this oxymoron on the people of Massachusetts. Supported by
taxpayers' money, she makes daily, face-to-face visits to individual
lawmakers. Nice work if you can get it.

Too bad you couldn't make it to the gym teachers' state convention in
New Jersey, in February. It wasn't about volleyball. For public school
gym teachers, Job One--according to the convention's floor displays,
handouts, posters, and workshop topics (all of which I saw
personally)--is getting the kids comfy with homosexuality. To this
end, they handed out a "resource guide"--handsomely produced, slick,
paid for largely by Fleet Bank
Inc.--intended for distribution in all the public schools. (For more
information, see my article, "Now It's the Gym Teachers," in the
February archive of the Chalcedon website, chalcedon.edu.)

You would have seen even more of the same at "Twenty Years of Great
Sex (Ed)" last year, a national conference of "sex educators" hosted
by Rutgers, New Jersey's taxpayer-funded state university. Again,
there was no effort to hide the educators' whole-hearted penchant for
homosexuality...

Topaz

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"staten" <stat...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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End of communication with you, idiota. Be happy in your mental disability.


staten

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On Dec 4, 12:56 am, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6ad3609f-5f3d-49ca...@r40g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 3, 7:44 pm, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:5002a26e-9d1a-4293...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > On Dec 2, 11:08 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > You really don't make sense.
> > > I read that you say that you are not a Jew. Does that matter?If you
> > > talk like a Jew, write like a Jew, lie like a Jew, fight like a Jew,
> > > you are a Jew.
>
> > You are a latent homosexual. That much is evident.
>
> This groundless allegation is just another evidence  that you are an
> absurd, confused   cretin.
>
>
>
> > You are also, very obviously uneducated, crass, rude, crude and possessing
> > of no social skills at all.
> >Looks like you have completely exhausted your mind , Ahmed.  Why
> >won't  you just go and fuck your goat  and while you do that  die from
> >heart failure. Hardly  there is a good reason for you to live and
> >soil  this planet, animal.
>
> End of communication with you, idiota. Be happy in your mental disability.

OK, then fuck off and die , you useless piece of shit

Michael Ejercito

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On Dec 3, 6:00 pm, Topaz <mars1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>  The USA is having homosexually perverted marriages. What would the
> neocon bootlickers of Jews be saying if a Muslim country did that?
Maine put a stop to that.

And you can not blame religious conservatives nor Roman Catholic
anchor babies, because there are not enough of them to fill a high
school gym.


Michael

Aviroce

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One lady called me to rent my house in Vero Beach, Fl. She said she
has a German Shepherd for a dog. Then added, it is a house dog. I
answered, "It will tear up the house." She said, "I am not
interested."

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­--------


>
> So, you see , Arab,  if you enjoy fucking goats, horses , mules or
> donkeys , like your great teacher Ayatollah Khomeini said,  then you
> foolishly assume that all people must do the same. But you are dead
> wrong, goatfucker. I never heard that  Christian priests,  Buddhist
> monks, or even  African voodoo  shamans  would approve doing such

> disgusting things.- Hide quoted text -

Aviroce

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On Dec 3, 8:43 pm, Topaz <mars1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:56:51 -0500, Dave Heil <k...@frontiernet.net>
> http://heretical.com/ http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I am more impressed by your documentation. You fail to see that you
are dealing with a rigid, frigid, Nazi-headed, Zionist bastard.
Whatever you prove to him, he is going to deny it without even reading
it. The guy is half-wit, pretending to be non-Jewish to demonstrate
that non-Jews are supporters of Jews and Zionism something I disagree
with. In other words, this character is basing his Zionist propaganda
on "I am not one of them. But they are right." And I bet he is being
paid to do so.. Some people would sell their mothers to win. Staten
would have sold you his mother except that his mother has been dead
for at least two years.

Aviroce

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You know I don't use the vulgarity you adorn your speeches with. I
said, "I read the Koran and I never saw any mention of
homosexuality." I stand by that statement.

I used to hire a neighbor of one of my houses. When he gets paid, he
would go to the liquor store and buy a gin bottle. As soon as he buys
the bottle, he opens it and has some. You can smell him anywhere.
Now, comes the interesting 'staten' part.
Every word he utters he associates it with "Mother F.." Basically
he sings "Mother F.." He becomes easily stirred up and easily
vulgar. Does that summarize you "staten?"

Aviroce

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Topaz, you hit the nail on the head. I am glad to see them celebrate
homosexuality. Hopefully, they stop breading savages.

> - -- - -- -http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/1122-03.htm

staten

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On Dec 4, 11:00 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One lady called me to rent my house in Vero Beach, Fl.  She said she
> has a German Shepherd for a dog.  Then added, it is a house dog.  I
> answered, "It will tear up the house."  She said, "I am not
> interested."

I think if she had a goat , instead of a dog, you would be more than
happy to rent her your house, wouldn't you, Arab?

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

staten

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On Dec 4, 11:20 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You know I don't use the vulgarity you adorn your speeches with.

But you are lying again , goat fucking champion.

Here is your own words you once spelled :

> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1183810858....@g13g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...


>I AM SORRY STATEN. MAY I SUCK ON YOUR PENIS SKIN TO MAKE IT ALL
> BETTER? HOW ABOUT AFTER THAT, I EAT IT WITH A SIDE OF >PALESTINIAN
FECES? I CAN DO IT JUST THE WAY YOU LIKE IT, FILTHY >JEW. DO YOU MIND
IF I BRING YOUR FATHER TO WATCH? I KNOW HE >WOULD LIKE TO SEE ME
FORNICATE YOU JUST LIKE HIS RABBI DID TO >HIM WHEN HE WAS A LITTLE
BOY.

How's that? Does it look like a refined speech free of vulgarity you
are bragging about?


I
> said, "I read the Koran and I never saw any mention of
> homosexuality." I stand by that statement.

If you read the Koran and found no homosexuality there , why then you
are so ashamed to answer my questions? Let's start all over again -
Explain me , Arab, for what purposes Allah created young virginal
boys “fresh like pearls” waiting for you in paradise? Why Arab poets
of the past glorified sodomy if you say that there is no such
things in Islam? Why the hadiths such as (Bukhari LXII, 25) also
describe homosexual desires of straight men? Why the pious Muslims
and the staunchest proponents of “pure” Islam in Afghanistan feel
absolutely fine sodomizing so called “dancing boys”?

> I used to hire a neighbor of one of my houses. When he gets paid, he
> would go to the liquor store and buy a gin bottle. As soon as he buys
> the bottle, he opens it and has some. You can smell him anywhere.
> Now, comes the interesting 'staten' part.
> Every word he utters he associates it with "Mother F.." Basically
> he sings "Mother F.." He becomes easily stirred up and easily
> vulgar. Does that summarize you "staten?"

You see, Arab , being a Muslim you foolishly think that only you-
Muslims and your glove puppets whoring for Islam - are allowed to
humiliate , to denigrate, to belittle and to smear all Christians,
Jews, Hindus and others with impunity. If some of them, especially
Jews , indeed swallow all that dirt you throwing on them with little
or no resistance, then I do not belong to this category. You always
can count on that I will rub your own shit to your faces just to
remind you who you are. No privileges. Sorry.

> > the mounts of the devils- Hide quoted text -

Aviroce

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You must be a "Talking Feces." You are dripping and smelly.

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

Aviroce

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You must be a "Talking Feces." You are dripping and smelly.

Aaronovich

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"Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>You must be a "Talking Feces." You are dripping and smelly.

I ignore him from yesterday. He is rude, crude, unintelligent, full of hate
and very, very stupid.

He is not worth the time of day.

staten

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On Dec 5, 6:58 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You must be a "Talking Feces."  You are dripping and smelly.

You are wrong again, Muslim. It's your prophet Mo who was a very
filthy, smelly pig having absolutely no respect to personal
hygiene . But since you as a Muslim obliged to imitate and to
follow Mohammad in all aspects of your Muslim life , you also must be
as filthy, smelly and unsanitary as your great prophet was. Tell me,
Arab, are yo still using three stones to wipe your ass , as the
prophet Mo taught you Muslims, or made a progress and use toilet paper
now?

And I still waiting your answers to my questions below. When are you
going to rehabilitate yourself of being a liar and an ignorant putz?

staten

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On Dec 5, 8:07 pm, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e79bf7b2-9eaa-4c6d...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>
> >You must be a "Talking Feces."  You are dripping and smelly.
>
> I ignore him from yesterday. He is rude, crude, unintelligent, full of hate
> and very, very stupid.
>
> He is not worth the time of day.

Another Muslim goatfucker basking in his non existing intelligence.
What a delusional fool!

All Muslims are the most controversial , absurd creatures on Earth .
They refine heroin for a living, but have a "moral objection" to
beer. They believe uncovered women are “sinful” but slitting their
wife's throats is OK. They consider television and video games are
“immoral and dangerous”, but routinely carry explosives in their
underwear. They consider westerners “uncivilized” for dropping the
Quran but have no problem throwing acid in their wife's face if
their wives seeking a divorce. They wipe their ass with their bare
hands, but consider bacon unclean. This fool - goatfucker Moronovich
believes he is very “intelligent “ but could not to put two words
together when was cornered with facts on history of Islam. And so did
his pal Aviroce. Pathetic losers.

Aviroce

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" that while claiming (the Jews) to be working for the good of mankind
they have often worked for their own
good and to the detriment of others. While attempting to promote the
brotherhood of man by dissolving the ethnic identification of
gentiles, Jews have maintained precisely the kind of intense group
solidarity they decry as immoral in others. "

THEY LED AMERICA DOWN TO ITS HEELS. THE MAN WHO IS TRYING TO SAVE
AMERICA FROM THEIR MISREPRESENTATION AND DECEPTION, PRESIDENT OBAMA,
IS HATED BY JEWS. IF YOU FOLLOW UP ON THE NET'S POSTS, THEY GIVE HIM
ALL KIND OF FOUL NAMES TO DENIGRATE AND DEHUMANIZE HIM.


"Celebrating Diversity
Prof. MacDonald claims that one of the most consistent ways in which
Jews have advanced their interests has been to promote pluralism and
diversity -- but only for others. " THAT IS RIGHT. IF YOU LOOK AT
MANY SO-CALLED CHARITABLE OR SOCIAL CLUBS ORGANIZED BY JEWS, THESE
CLUBS ARE STRATEGICALLY TO BENEFIT THEIR INTERESTS.

I HAD AN OLDER FELLOW FOR A FRIEND. THIS GUY IS IN HIS LATE
EIGHTIES. HE USED TO BE THE MOST RESPECTED COLOR GUARD AT THE WHITE
HOUSE. WHEN HE RETIRED HE WORKED IN A BUSINESS OWNED BY JEWS AS A
SPECIALIST. SOON ENOUGH, THE JEIWISH OWNERS BROUGHT ANOTHER JEW TO
WORK UNDER HIM AND TRAIN HIM TO DO THE SPEICALTY HE IS RECOGNIZED
WITH. YOU GUESSED IT. THE TRAINEE TOOK HIS JOB AND MY FRIEND WAS OUT
OF THE JOB. HE KEPT TELLING ME THAT THESE JEWS ARE VERY POWERFUL IN
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THEY PASS THEIR INTERESTS TO OTHER
JEWS.

THINK IT THIS WAY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROFESSOR IS TALKING ABOUT
AND WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT:A JEW BUYS FROM A JEW AND AVOIDS BUYING
FROM NON-JEWS. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THEN HOW THE DOLLAR MOVES? THE
DOLLAR MOVES FROM NON-JEW TO A JEW AND THEN TO A JEW. WEALTH IS
CONSERVED IN THE JEWISH COMMUNITY BY THAT METHOD. IF JEWS ARE THE
ULTIMATE ARBITERS OF THE AMERICAN SOCIETY, THEY WOULD HAVE COLLECTED
ALL THE RESOURCES AMONG THEMSELVES.


On Dec 1, 7:28 pm, Topaz <mars1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/review-AR.html
>
> Kevin MacDonald's The Culture of Critique
>
> Reviewed by Stanley Hornbeck
>
> In The Culture of Critique, Kevin MacDonald advances a carefully
> researched but extremely controversial thesis: that certain 20th
> century intellectual movements -- largely established and led by Jews
> -- have changed European societies in fundamental ways and destroyed
> the confidence of Western man. He claims that these movements were
> designed, consciously or unconsciously, to advance Jewish interests
> even though they were presented to non-Jews as universalistic and even
> utopian. He concludes that the increasing dominance of these ideas has
> had profound political and social consequences that benefited Jews but
> caused great harm to gentile societies. This analysis, which he makes
> with considerable force, is an unusual indictment of a people
> generally thought to be more sinned against than sinning.
>
> The Culture of Critique is the final title in Prof. MacDonald's
> massive, three-volume study of Jews and their role in history. The two
> previous volumes are A People That Shall Dwell Alone and Separation
> and its Discontents, published by Praeger in 1994 and 1998. The series
> is written from a sociobiological perspective that views Judaism as a
> unique survival strategy that helps Jews compete with other ethnic
> groups. Prof. MacDonald, who is a psychologist at the University of
> California at Long Beach, explains this perspective in the first
> volume, which describes Jews as having a very powerful sense of
> uniqueness that has kept them socially and genetically separate from
> other peoples. The second volume traces the history of Jewish-gentile
> relations, and finds the causes of anti-Semitism primarily in the
> almost invariable commercial and intellectual dominance of gentile
> societies by Jews and in their refusal to assimilate. The Culture of
> Critique brings his analysis into the present century, with an account
> of the Jewish role in the radical critique of traditional culture.
>
> The intellectual movements Prof. MacDonald discusses in this volume
> are Marxism, Freudian psychoanalysis, the Frankfurt school of
> sociology, and Boasian anthropology. Perhaps most relevant from a
> racial perspective, he also traces the role of Jews in promoting
> multi-culturalism and Third World immigration. Throughout his analysis
> Prof. MacDonald reiterates his view that Jews have promoted these
> movements as Jews and in the interests of Jews, though they have often
> tried to give the impression that they had no distinctive interests of
> their own. Therefore Prof. MacDonald's most profound charge against
> Jews is not ethnocentrism but dishonesty -- that while claiming to be
> working for the good of mankind they have often worked for their own
> good and to the detriment of others. While attempting to promote the
> brotherhood of man by dissolving the ethnic identification of
> gentiles, Jews have maintained precisely the kind of intense group
> solidarity they decry as immoral in others.
>
> Celebrating Diversity
> Prof. MacDonald claims that one of the most consistent ways in which
> Jews have advanced their interests has been to promote pluralism and
> diversity -- but only for others. Ever since the 19th century, they
> have led movements that tried to discredit the traditional foundations
> of gentile society: patriotism, racial loyalty, the Christian basis
> for morality, social homogeneity, and sexual restraint. At the same
> time, within their own communities, and with regard to the state of
> Israel, they have often supported the very institutions they attack in
> gentile society.
>
> Why is this in the interests of Jews? Because the parochial group
> loyalty characteristic of Jews attracts far less attention in a
> society that does not have a cohesive racial and cultural core. The
> Jewish determination not to assimilate fully, which accounts for their
> survival as a people for thousands for years -- even without a country
> -- has invariably attracted unpleasant and even murderous scrutiny in
> nations with well -defined national identities. In Prof. MacDonald's
> view it is therefore in the interest of Jews to dilute and weaken the
> identity of any people among whom they live. Jewish identity can
> flower in safety only when gentile identity is weak.
>
> Prof. MacDonald quotes a remarkable passage from Charles Silberman:
> "American Jews are committed to cultural tolerance because of their
> belief -- one firmly rooted in history -- that Jews are safe only in a
> society acceptant of a wide range of attitudes and behaviors, as well
> as a diversity of religious and ethnic groups. It is this belief, for
> example, not approval of homosexuality, that leads an overwhelming
> majority of American Jews to endorse 'gay rights' and to take a
> liberal stance on most other so-called 'social' issues."
>
> He is saying, in effect, that when Jews make the
> diversity-is-our-strength argument it is in support of their real goal
> of diluting a society's homogeneity so that Jews will feel safe. They
> are couching a Jewish agenda in terms they think gentiles will accept.
> Likewise, as the second part of the Silberman quotation suggests, Jews
> may support deviant movements, not because they think it is good for
> the country but because it is good for the Jews.
>
> Prof. Silberman also provides an illuminating quote from a Jewish
> economist who thought that republicans had more sensible economic
> policies but who voted for the Democratic presidential candidate
> anyway. His reason? "I'd rather live in a country governed by the
> faces I saw at the Democratic convention than those I saw at the
> Republican convention." This man apparently distrusts white gentiles
> and voted for a racially mixed party even if its economic policies
> were wrong. What is good for Jews appears to come before what is good
> for the country.
>
> Earl Raab, former president of heavily Jewish Brandeis University
> makes the diversity argument in a slightly different way. Expressing
> his satisfaction with the prediction that by the middle of the next
> century whites will become a minority, he writes, "We have tipped
> beyond the point where a Nazi-Aryan party will be able to prevail in
> this country." He is apparently prepared to displace the people and
> culture of the founding stock in order to prevent the theoretical rise
> of an anti-Jewish regime. Prof. Raab appears to see whites mainly as
> potential Nazis, and is willing to sacrifice their culture and
> national continuity in order to defuse an imagined threat to Jews.
> This passage takes for granted the continued future existence of Jews
> as a distinct community even as gentile whites decline in numbers and
> influence.
>
> In the same passage, Prof. Raab continues by noting that, "[w]e [Jews]
> have been nourishing the American climate of opposition to bigotry for
> about half a century. That climate has not yet been perfected, but the
> heterogeneous nature of our population tends to make it
> irreversible..." -- just as it tends to make the ultimate displacement
> of European culture also irreversible.
>
> Prof. MacDonald traces the development of this diversity strategy to
> several sources. It is widely recognized that the German-Jewish
> immigrant Franz Boas (1858-1942) almost single-handedly established
> the current contours of anthropology, ridding it of all biological
> explanations for differences in human culture or behavior. Prof.
> MacDonald reports that he and his followers -- with the notable
> exceptions of Margaret Mead and Ruth Benedict -- were all Jews with
> strong Jewish identities: "Jewish identification and the pursuit of
> perceived Jewish interests, particularly in advocating an ideology of
> cultural pluralism as a model for Western societies, has been the
> 'invisible subject' of American anthropology."
>
> By 1915, Boas and his students controlled the American Anthropological
> Association and by 1926 they headed every major American university
> anthropology department. From this position of dominance they promoted
> the idea that race and biology are trivial matters, and that
> environment counts for everything. They completely recast anthropology
> so as to provide intellectual support for open immigration,
> integration, and miscegenation. They also laid the foundation for the
> idea that because all races have the same potential, the failures of
> non-whites must be blamed exclusively on white oppression. The
> ultimate conclusion of Boasian anthropology was that since environment
> accounts for all human differences, every inequality in achievement
> can be eliminated by changing the environment. This has been the
> justification for enormous and wasteful government intervention
> programs.
>
> The entire "civil rights" movement can be seen as a natural
> consequence of the triumph of Boasian thinking. Since all races were
> equivalent, separation was immoral. The color line also sharpened
> white self-consciousness in ways that might make whites more aware of
> Jewish parochialism. Thus it was, according to Prof. MacDonald, that
> Jews almost single-handedly launched the desegregation movement.
> Without the leadership of Jews, the NAACP might never have been
> established, and until 1975 every one of its presidents was a Jew.
> Prof. MacDonald reports that in 1917, when the black separatist Marcus
> Garvey visited NAACP headquarters, he saw so many white faces that he
> stormed out, complaining that it was a white organization.
>
> Prof. MacDonald concludes that the efforts of Jews were crucial to the
> "civil rights" transformation of America. He quotes a lawyer for the
> American Jewish Congress who claims that "many of these [civil rights]
> laws were actually written in the offices of Jewish agencies by Jewish
> staff people, introduced by Jewish legislators and pressured into
> being by Jewish voters."
>
> While the Boas school was promoting integration and racial
> equivalence, it was also critical of, in Prof. MacDonald's words,
> "American culture as overly homogeneous, hypocritical, emotionally and
> aesthetically repressive (especially with regard to sexuality).
> Central to this program ...
>
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Aviroce

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YOU CALL ME AN ARAB, MUSLIM, PALESTINIAN AS IF THESE DESIGNATIONS ARE
FORBIDDEN. I GOT NEWS FOR YOU. I AM HONORED TO BE CALLED AN ARAB,
MUSLIM AND PALESTINIAN. THESE PEOPLE HAVE A SUPERIOR HUMAN CULTURE
THAT PROMOTES ADVANCEMENT OF LIFE AND RESPONSIBILITY IN LIVING.

YOUR KIND OF PEOPLE PROMOTE ONLY SELF-INTEREST AT THE EXPENSE OF LIFE
AND DENIGRATION OF HUMANITY.

Harold Burton

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In article
<3f1bd70a-ade3-4a7f...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Aviroce <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> All I care for is Palestine. Palestine TURD.


Snicker

Aviroce

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Palestinians are asking for rights. Jews are asking for not giving
the Palestinians their rights. So it is the United States of America
who established Israel and will establish the Palestinian state. So
sit tight and pray. Palestinians will be coming like a storm to sweep
you under. Its alright. Be cool. They will get you.

On Dec 5, 10:59 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <3f1bd70a-ade3-4a7f-8e7c-d387c5608...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,

Harold Burton

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In article
<55fa9fb2-7fe1-4525...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
Aviroce <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Palestinians are...

...whining losers. They started a war and lost. They've been whining
about it for 60 years.

Snicker.

staten

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> On Dec 5, 10:26 pm, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
> YOU CALL ME AN ARAB, MUSLIM, PALESTINIAN AS IF THESE >DESIGNATIONS ARE
> FORBIDDEN. I GOT NEWS FOR YOU. I AM HONORED TO BE CALLED AN ARAB,
> MUSLIM AND PALESTINIAN.

So, you are proud of being a child molester, goat fucker , misogynist
and mass murderer ?
Strange adoration with such evil things. I wonder why you are not in
prison yet.


> THESE PEOPLE HAVE A SUPERIOR HUMAN CULTURE

What can be “superior” in cutting throats to live people, throwing
acid in faces of women, savagely murdering apostates or raping little
kids in so called Islamic “marriages”? In all other cultures people
engaged in doing such evil things usually locked for life in supemax
slammers but in your Muslims “culture” it is considered a “superior
way of life”. A I said , you Muslims are the most absurd , illogical
creatures on earth. Terrible.

> THAT PROMOTES ADVANCEMENT OF LIFE AND RESPONSIBILITY IN LIVING.
> YOUR KIND OF PEOPLE PROMOTE ONLY SELF-INTEREST AT THE EXPENSE OF LIFE
> AND DENIGRATION OF HUMANITY.

Without “my kind of people”, read infidels, you Muslims would be
naked, diseased, miserable sand fleas without two camel dicks to rub
together. Whatever commodities of value you Muslims have today ,
infidels have discovered, developed, and helped you to become human
beings again . But you miserable , smelly sand pigs get back zero
gratitude and murder your benefactors. Isn't this a top of absurdity?
It is. Because you are Muslims – the most absurd, illogical, confused
creatures on earth.

Aaronovich

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"Harold Burton" <hal.i....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hal.i.burton-AEA9...@news.newsguy.com...

Jews have started ALL the wars. You need to study some history before you
open your mouth.


Aviroce

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Why are you drinking on Jewish dripping feces? It is smelly and
unhealthy.

On Dec 6, 12:04 am, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:

Aviroce

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Palistinians never ended their claim for their land. You may had some
kind of deceptive wars with others. Palestinians are entitled to
their own homes.


On Dec 5, 11:47 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article

> <55fa9fb2-7fe1-4525-acca-5d6b27e69...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,

Topaz

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By Dr. William Pierce

"On March 13 a subcommittee of the Judiciary
Committee of the U.S. Senate, the Subcommittee on Technology and
Terrorism, held public hearings on so-called "narco-terrorism": which
is to say, on the support of international terrorism through the trade
in illegal drugs. California Senator Diane Feinstein is the
subcommittee chairman. She made the statement to the TV cameras and to
the world, in her capacity as a U.S. senator and chairman of the
Subcommittee on Technology and Terrorism, that Afghanistan's former
Taliban government had financed international terrorism through the
opium trade. They grew opium poppies, Feinstein said, in order to
finance people like Osama bin Laden. Now, fortunately, we have stopped
that particular branch of narco-terrorism.

Now, that is not only a lie, but it is the exact opposite of the
truth, and Feinstein knew it. It was the Taliban government, destroyed
by the Bush government at the insistence of Diane Feinstein and her
fellow Jews, that outlawed the production of opium in Afghanistan and
ordered the poppy fields plowed under. They did this for religious
reasons, as Islamic fundamentalists. It is the new gangster government
of Afghanistan, installed by the Bush government at the insistence of
Diane Feinstein and her fellow Jews, that is replanting the poppy
fields and starting up the opium trade again.

Why did Feinstein deliberately turn the truth on its head like this?
Well, for one thing, it is simply part of the Jews' propaganda
campaign aimed at demonizing their enemies and everyone who stands in
their way. That's why the media, in every story they print about me,
always call me a "hater." The Taliban government, despite all of its
faults, was a government based on principles-in this case the
principles of the Koran-and therefore was considered dangerous by the
Jews. They tolerate only corrupt governments, governments that can be
bribed and intimidated and manipulated-like the present government in
Washington, for example. Therefore, Feinstein accused the Taliban of
producing opium in order to support international terrorism, when she
knew that to be the opposite of the truth.

And the reason she made her false accusation so brazenly is that she
knew her fellow Jews in the media would not contradict her. She knew
that she could get away with it. And of course, the media Jews did let
her get away with it. I saw and heard her make her accusation against
the Taliban on CNN, and I am sure that the other networks also
televised the Senate's narco-terrorism hearings. But no one in the
media covering these hearings pointed out that the Jewess had lied
brazenly in accusing the Taliban of being involved in the opium-poppy
business.

Well, I guess that's pretty trivial stuff. The big lie at the moment
remains the claim that the September 11 attack had nothing to do with
the U.S. government's support for Israel's genocide and aggression in
the Middle East, that the attack came only because Osama bin Laden
"hates our freedom." But sometimes the little lies can be as revealing
as the big lies."

Topaz

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Tiptoeing around Our Problems
By Dr. William Pierce

"We've been talking about the very dangerous situation in the Middle
East recently, just because so much is happening there, and
undoubtedly we'll be talking about it much more in the future. For
that reason I want to make very clear what my motives and sympathies
are, lest I lead anyone astray and be thought a hypocrite for doing
so. First, regarding Palestine: although my sympathies definitely lie
with the Palestinians rather than with the Jews, it is not horror at
what the Jews are doing to the Palestinians that motivates me. What
motivates me is horror that my country is being used by the Jews in
their war against the Palestinians. If America were not involved at
all in the Middle East I still would sympathize with the Palestinians
and I would wish that they could be successful in driving the Jews
into the sea and annihilating the abomination that is Israel, but that
conflict between Jews and Palestinians would not be a major concern
for me. At least, my
concern there would be dwarfed by my concern for problems more
directly involving my own people in America and in Europe and in
southern Africa.

Even now, with money and weapons being supplied by America and used to
slaughter Palestinians, my concern is much less with monsters like
Ariel Sharon who are doing the slaughtering than it is with the filthy
creatures among my own people in America who are collaborating with
Jews here to keep the weapons and money flowing to Sharon -- and are
ready to do whatever else the Jews require of them here or abroad.

So when I tell you about Jews in occupied Palestine shooting
Palestinian children, and disapproval and anger are evident in my
voice, what I really am angry about is that the American people, my
people, are being used for this murderous activity. I am angry that
America's whole foreign policy has been perverted to serve Jewish
interests at the expense of American interests. I am angry that
America's political system has been perverted to ensure that we always
have so-called "leaders," whether Democrat or Republican, who are
dependent on the Jewish media or Jewish money or both for their
election and consequently will do the bidding of the Jews. I am angry
that our whole government is riddled with Jews -- Jews in our Defense
Department, Jews in our State
Department, Jews in our Immigration and Naturalization Service, Jews
in our Justice Department, Jews in the President's speech-writing
staff - who really set the policies of our government behind the
scenes, while the politicians are out front in the spotlight making
speeches and kissing babies - and doing as they're told by the Jews
behind the
scenes.

Did you know that it was a Jewish speechwriter, David Frum, who put
the phrase "axis of evil" in George Bush's mouth to justify America's
ongoing war against Israel's enemies? Did you know that a clique of
Jews in the Defense Department and among George Bush's foreign policy
advisers are the people actually running the so-called "war on terror"
in Afghanistan: a war that they intend to expand to Iraq and any other
Middle Eastern country that gets uppity, in order to make that part of
the world safe for Israel at American expense? Secretary of Defense
Donald Rumsfeld is a front man for his nominal subordinates, Deputy
Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and Deputy Undersecretary of
Defense for Policy Douglas Feith; and George Bush's official foreign
policy adviser, Condoleezza Rice, helps him meet his Black quota for
the Cabinet, but it is the Jew Richard Perle, chairman of Bush's
Defense Policy Board, who gives him his foreign policy directives.

As I've said on more than one occasion, George Bush is a feckless
nincompoop who couldn't come up with a defense policy or a foreign
policy on his own if he had to -- which is why he's President. The
real policymakers behind the scenes certainly don't want a man in the
White House who has ideas of his own, because those ideas might
conflict with theirs.

And it is nothing but empty sophistry to make a distinction between
Jews in Israel, such as Ariel Sharon and Simon Peres, and the Jews in
Mr. Bush's administration formulating his policies or the Jews
controlling our mass media. They all are Jews, and that's what really
matters.

There are many knowledgeable Americans besides me who think that it's
not a good thing to have Jews using America to advance Israel's
interests at the expense of America's interests. They know how the
system works: how the Jews exert their control through money and media
and a well-entrenched network of Jewish operatives, such as Wolfowitz
and Feith and Perle. And many of these knowledgeable Americans also
understand how Jewish subterfuge and deceit work: they understand that
the Jews throw up a lot of smoke to conceal their control and make it
appear that they have much less influence than they actually do.

Despite this degree of understanding that many knowledgeable Americans
have, there seem to be very few who are willing or able to draw the
necessary conclusions. What I keep seeing are comments about the need
to get the so-called "peace process" going again in the Middle East,
and how there are hardline supporters of Israel who are obstructing
the "peace process" because they think that it will give too much to
the Palestinians or will compromise Israel's security, or whatever.
These knowledgeable Americans seem to believe that if we could just
get around the Jewish hardliners somehow -- if we could just
neutralize Jews such as Wolfowitz and Feith and Perle; if Ariel Sharon
could be replaced by a "moderate" Jewish prime minister -- then the
"peace process" could proceed, America could gradually reduce its
involvement in helping the Jews keep the Palestinians repressed, and
eventually Israel no longer would be using America, and everything
would be rosy. And so these knowledgeable Americans expend all of
their wit and energy in these trivial pursuits.

Listen! Do you know what the most hopeful aspect of the conflict
between Jews and Palestinians is now? It is the ongoing radicalization
of the Muslim masses throughout the whole Middle East. The
collaborator governments in Pakistan, in Egypt, in Saudi Arabia are
terrified of the reaction they see among their own people to what
Ariel Sharon is doing to the Palestinians. When Sharon's Jewish troops
shoot Palestinian children, Muslim mobs riot, and governments that now
collaborate with the United States quake. Ariel Sharon is the best
thing that has happened in the Middle East in the last 54 years.

The Palestinian tactic of suicide bombing is being denounced by every
politician and every media spokesman over here now. It's nothing but
terrorism, they all say. There's no justification at all for suicide
bombing, they tell us. Of course, whenever you hear that sort of
unanimity from the politicians and the media people you should be
suspicious. In fact, suicide bombing is the best tactic for the
Palestinians to use now, because it provokes the Jews to step up
reprisals. And the reprisals radicalize the masses in every country in
the Middle East. If just one of the collaborator governments falls,
the spines of all the rest will be stiffened, and the Bush government
will be far less likely to find collaborators for building its
so-called "coalition" to do the will of the Jews in the Middle East.

Suicide bombers now hardly put a dent in the population of five
million Jews in occupied Palestine, and Sharon's bloody reprisals
hardly put a dent in the overall Palestinian population. But if
conflict of this sort continues until just one collaborator government
is overthrown, that ultimately will be worth more than ten thousand
successful suicide
bombings in which only 20 or so Jews are killed each time. In the long
run there can be no real peace in the Middle East and no end to
America's shameful role there -- and no future for the Palestinian
people -- as long as there is an Israel. There seems to be a better
understanding of these things among knowledgeable Palestinians than
among knowledgeable Americans.

Shallow thinking and the pursuit of trivial goals is even worse among
knowledgeable Americans when it comes to domestic problems. They
really do not want to grasp these problems with both hands and deal
with them in a forthright way. Look, for example, at what uncontrolled
immigration has done and is doing to America. And what do
knowledgeable Americans propose to do about that? Very little, really.
They make much of the fact that several of the al-Qaeda hijackers who
carried out the September 11 attack were in the United States only
because of very lax immigration policies, and so that's a good reason
for tightening up the policies.

How about simply rounding up all illegal aliens immediately -- all 12
million of them -- and booting them and all of their offspring out of
the country without further ado?

Oh, no, no, no! We can't do that! Why not? Well, the media never would
stand for it. The media would be all over anyone who even proposed a
mass expulsion of illegal aliens. They would denounce any political
leader who tried to do that as a "racist" and a "neo-Nazi." And so
knowledgeable Americans, who understand the immigration disaster quite
well, continue tiptoeing around it, afraid to do or even say anything
really significant about it: terrified even to think about really
radical solutions that might actually end the problem. And it's the
same with the rest of our domestic problems. Lots of people understand
these problems and are worried about them, but they won't tackle them
in any
significant way. They let the Jews -- the Jewish media and Jewish
money and the entrenched Jewish network -- have their way, for all
practical purposes.

Why? Why are the Jews permitted to get away with all of their
destructive policies and activities without being challenged or
opposed in any significant way? Part of the reason is that the Jews
are very powerful, and therefore many people are afraid to cross them.
They're afraid of the sort of media reaction I just mentioned in
connection with immigration. Everyone understands that the Jews stick
together and will viciously attack anyone who opposes them. It's the
old story, so aptly expressed by the late-16th-century writer, Sir
John Harington. Harington wrote: "Treason doth never prosper: what's
the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." Today the
Jewish power structure is
prospering, and none dare oppose it or even call it what it is. Well,
that's only part of the reason Jews are permitted to get away with so
much. There's more to it than that. There's a mystique the Jews have
built very carefully around themselves and nurtured diligently. It is
a mystique of piety and injured innocence. It is a mystique that says
to the Gentile world: "We are a gentle and inoffensive race, and
because of this everyone hates us. We're smart and we work hard and
achieve success, and because of this everyone hates us. We are a
highly moral and ethical race, and because of this everyone hates us.
We are a very talented race, with many gifted members, many geniuses,
and because of this everyone hates us. We are a very altruistic race,
a race of philanthropists who only want to make a better world for
everyone, and because of this everyone hates us."

Many simpletons among the lemmings simply accept these claims at face
value. Many knowledgeable people, however, who can see through these
claims to the real Jews hiding behind them, still hesitate to
challenge them. Part of the Jewish mystique is the so-called
"Holocaust." In its most simpleminded form the "Holocaust" story is
the claim that the
Germans hated the Jews for the reasons I just mentioned -- for their
gentleness and their success and their morality and their talent and
their altruism -- and because of this hatred roasted six million of
them during the Second World War in "gas ovens," to use one of the
Jews' favorite "Holocaust" phrases.

Actually, the "Holocaust" is a very powerful part of the Jewish
mystique. The Jews crafted the "Holocaust" story with great care and
great effort -- well, actually not with as much care as they might
have used: it's as full of holes as a Swiss cheese, but still it is
sufficient to make most people, even those who understand what Jews
are really like, hesitate to attack them. People don't want to be seen
as bullies. They don't want to be seen as so insensitive that they
would criticize the Jews, who already have suffered so much, poor
dears, at the hands of anti-Semites.

In several past broadcasts we've looked at a number of the lies and
exaggerations and distortions that make up the "Holocaust" story.
There are a number of good books available on the subject from the
sponsor of this broadcast, National Vanguard Books, including Norman
Finklestein's excellent book The Holocaust Industry, which I discussed
in an earlier broadcast. The point is that despite the lies, despite
the fact that many knowledgeable Americans are aware of the lies, the
"Holocaust" still serves its purpose for the Jews. People are afraid
of the image conjured up by the "Holocaust."

Perhaps it's that American life is too soft... Whatever the reason,
many otherwise knowledgeable and hardheaded Americans just can't
entertain the idea of rounding up the Jews and getting rid of them,
even when the situation is as urgent as it is in America today. And
really, in the long run that is the only way to solve the Jewish
problem.

The Germans understood that, back in the 1930s, and they had the
courage and the foresight to act on their understanding. Unlike
Americans today, they had an honest government concerned above all
with the survival, welfare, and progress of the German people, and
they began doing what was necessary, forcing the Jews to emigrate
wholesale from Germany beginning in 1933. And because of that the
Jewish propaganda machine has attacked the Germans so viciously, has
so blackened and demonized their image, that today even knowledgeable
people are afraid to be associated with that image. They are afraid to
say that the Germans were right, that the Germans were justified, and
that we need to do the same if we are to survive. So, as I said, the
"Holocaust" story, despite its
glaring discrepancies and lies, still serves as a shield for the Jews;
it still protects them from criticism.

Well, mostly. In parts of Europe not quite as poisoned by Jewish
propaganda as America is, the shield has slipped a bit. A large
British department store chain, Selfridges, has yielded to demands
from anti-Israel demonstrators and has removed from its shelves
products marked "Made in Israel." Last week the second largest
supermarket chain in Norway, Coop Norge -- which is to say, Norway
Coop, announced its decision to boycott all Israeli imports. That
decision was not the result of pressure from anti-Israel demonstrators
but was based on the feeling by Coop Norge management that it would be
immoral to continue supporting the Israeli economy by selling Israeli
imports under the
present circumstances. That is a step forward, though it is a long way
from what is needed.

The Jews, of course, immediately began waving their "Holocaust" story
around, and now, as the boycott movement catches hold in Scandinavia,
they are trying to portray themselves as injured innocents being
attacked once more by "anti-Semites." They are comparing the growing
Scandinavian boycott of Israeli products to the German boycott of
Jewish merchants in the late 1930s. Certainly, a boycott of Israeli
products is a good thing, and the fact that such a boycott is even
thinkable by big businessmen today is a sign that the Jewish mystique
-- and in particular the Jewish "Holocaust" story -- is becoming a bit
shopworn. It no longer has the hypnotic power that it once had -- at
least, in some parts of the world. And I suppose that we should be
happy about that. The unfortunate fact remains, however, that in
America the Jews still have their money and
their media and their entrenched network of bureaucrats, and even if
the "Holocaust" story has lost some of its charm in Europe, it still
keeps most knowledgeable Americans intimidated.

Knowledge isn't enough. Courage and boldness also are necessary.
Honesty and forthrightness are necessary also. Tiptoeing around the
critical issues of our time isn't enough. Tiny reforms in our
disastrous foreign policy and in our disastrous immigration policy and
in a dozen other disastrous policies aren't enough. We need to stop
apologizing to the people who are destroying us and go full bore at
destroying them instead.

Instead of being hypnotized by the "Holocaust" story we need to look
with clear eyes at why there was a need for action against the Jews in
Germany in the 1930s and 1940s. The Jews' claim today that the Germans
were suffering from collective insanity and had no reason for trying
to get the Jews off their backs is as phony as George Bush's claim
that
Osama bin Laden had no reason for attacking America on September 11.

Wherever Jews go they corrupt and destroy. That is their nature,
always and everywhere. Let us be thankful to the Palestinians who now
are making such terrible sacrifices to help the world see what the
Jews are like. And I suppose we also should be thankful to Ariel
Sharon for demonstrating so forthrightly to the world what Jews are
like.

Let us hope that the conflict between Jews and Palestinians
intensifies and lasts long enough to wake up many more of our people
around the world and fill them with disgust at America's continuing
support for the Jews. Let us hope that it lasts long enough to bring
about the overthrow of every collaborationist regime in the Muslim
world. Let us hope that it brings about an airtight oil embargo
against the United States and shuts off the lights in every shopping
mall and every sports stadium in America long enough for the lemmings
to become restless and begin asking questions. Let us hope that it
makes the efforts of every fool and every traitor who is striving for
a resumption of the so-called "peace process" so obviously futile that
these efforts no longer have the power to deceive anyone.

Ultimately, of course, we must not depend on the Palestinian suicide
bombers or on Ariel Sharon's murder squads to do for us what we should
be doing for ourselves. Ultimately we must stop tiptoeing and begin
marching boldly and forthrightly toward solving our own problems."

Michael Ejercito

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On Dec 6, 8:22 am, Topaz <mars1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> By Dr. William Pierce
A good Nazi since 2002.


Michael

Michael Ejercito

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On Dec 6, 8:25 am, Topaz <mars1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Tiptoeing around Our Problems
> By Dr. William Pierce
>
Your problems include meth use and pedophilia.

You are a Nazi.

As a Nazi, you are, above all else, a craven coward.

You are afraid to compete with others as equals because you know
you can not measure up.

You are afraid of your own inadequacy, so you want to murder your
betters.

You are afraid of the truth, so you want to murder those who would
tell it.

You are afraid of history, so you want to murder the past, to wipe
out the knowledge of the degeneracy, cowardice and failure of
National
Socialism.

Finally, you are afraid of the power of educated, informed adults.
Freedom of choice terrifies you... which is why you choose minor
children as sexual partners. You can not interact with competent
adults in a consensually sexual
way. You need to be able to impose yourself on a helpless victim, be
it a prepubescent
boy, or a patient in a mental hospital.

That is what you are, a Nazi, and there is nothing polite or
honest about it.

Michael

staten

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On Dec 6, 10:01 am, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why are you drinking on Jewish dripping feces? It is smelly and
> unhealthy.

Why are you still ashamed to answer my questions? Afraid being exposed
as an ignorant schmuck?

staten

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On Dec 6, 12:28 am, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
> "Harold Burton" <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hal.i.burton-AEA9...@news.newsguy.com...
>
> > In article
> > <55fa9fb2-7fe1-4525-acca-5d6b27e69...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,

> > Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Palestinians are...
>
> > ...whining losers.  They started a war and lost.  They've been whining
> > about it for 60 years.
>
> Jews have started ALL the wars. You need to study some history before you
> open your mouth.


You need to study history, fool. In addition to being a scatterbrained
dumbbell , you have absolutely no clue about any history ,
including your own faith -Islam.

Even the Arabs did not deny that they started all wars to nip
Israel in the bud in 1948.


"How did protracted warfare first arise between Israel and the Arabs?.
Not even militant Arab leaders or anti-Zionist historians could
conceivably accept the view that the 1948-49 conflict was a war of
Jewish origin. On February 16, 1948, the UN Palestine Commission
reported to the Security Council: "Powerful Arab interests, both
inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the
General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by
force the settlement envisaged therein." The Arabs themselves were
unambiguous in accepting responsibility for starting the war. Jamal
Husseini informed the Security Council on April 16, 1948: "The
representatives of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday they were not
the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny
this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight." As for the
British commander of Jordan's Arab Legion, John Bagot Glubb, he
remarked candidly: "Early in January, the first detachments of the
Arab Liberation Army began to infiltrate into Palestine from Syria.
Some came through Jordan and even through Amman....They were in
reality to strike the first blow in the ruin of the Arabs of
Palestine." Israel came into being on May 14, 1948. The five Arab
armies of Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq immediately
invaded the new microstate. Their combined intention was expressed
publicly by Azzam Pasha, Secretary General of the Arab League: "This
will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be
spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."

- Louis Rene Beres
Professor of International Law
Department of Political Science
Purdue University

staten

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Dec 6, 2009, 4:27:49 PM12/6/09
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On Dec 6, 10:02 am, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Palistinians never ended their claim for their land.

They have their land it's called – never-land, because “Palestinians
“ are never-people

>You may had some
> kind of deceptive wars with others. Palestinians are entitled to
> their own homes.

They have their homes in Jordan, the place they come from. Whose fault
is this that the fools hate to live in their own homes but want to
steal from others?

> On Dec 5, 11:47 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <55fa9fb2-7fe1-4525-acca-5d6b27e69...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >  Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Palestinians are...
>
> > ...whining losers.  They started a war and lost.  They've been whining
> > about it for 60 years.
>

> > Snicker.- Hide quoted text -

staten

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Good point. The same thing is true about the other two Islamo-Nazis -
Aviroce and Moronovich.

staten

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Dec 6, 2009, 4:45:50 PM12/6/09
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On Dec 5, 11:12 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Palestinians are asking for rights.

Sure. For rights to murder Jews with impunity.

>Jews are asking for not giving
> the Palestinians their rights.

Who the fuck in his/ her right mind would allow you to murder his/her
with impunity?

>So it is the United States of America
> who established Israel and will establish the Palestinian state.

Your History stinks. It was the League of Nations including the best
friend of all Arabs the Soviet Union.

>So sit tight and pray. Palestinians will be coming like a storm to sweep
> you under.

Only under one condition – if they will be allowed to murder, to
plunder and to steal with absolute impunity.

>Its alright. Be cool. They will get you.

Hardly they will find so many their women and children to put in front
of Israeli army “to get them”. This is the only way why your
Fakestinians “winning” their wars against Israel today.

> On Dec 5, 10:59 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <3f1bd70a-ade3-4a7f-8e7c-d387c5608...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >  Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > All I care for is Palestine.  Palestine TURD.
>

> > Snicker- Hide quoted text -

Dave Heil

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Dec 6, 2009, 5:12:31 PM12/6/09
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Topaz wrote:
> Tiptoeing around Our Problems
> By Dr. William Pierce
>
> "We've been talking about the very dangerous situation in the Middle
> East recently, just because so much is happening there...

You never showed up with Doctor Pierce to collect your $100,000, Toupee.

All the doc needed do was crawl out of his crypt after nearly nine years
and speak with me.

You spend a great deal of time talking with him, do you?

Dave Heil

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Dec 6, 2009, 5:13:43 PM12/6/09
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Topaz wrote:
> By Dr. William Pierce
>
> "On March 13 a subcommittee of the Judiciary
> Committee of the U.S. Senate, the Subcommittee on Technology and
> Terrorism, held public hearings on so-called "narco-terrorism": which
> is to say, on the support of international terrorism through the trade
> in illegal drugs.

I checked the archives and no such thing took place this March 13.
Things are really bad when you can't trust a dead man.

Bolt Upright

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"Harold Burton" <hal.i....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hal.i.burton-AEA9...@news.newsguy.com...
And just *when* did the Arabs of Palestine (NOT the surrounding Arab
governments!) start a war with anyone?

Both then and today, they are the innocent victims in this piece, who
through no fault of theirs had a shitload of dispossessed Europaen Jews
inflicted on them.
>
>
> Snicker.


Aviroce

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Palistine is here and now and forever. As for you and your people go
back to your countries of origin.

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

Aviroce

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Dec 6, 2009, 10:22:19 PM12/6/09
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I am impressed by your choice of articles. You keep hitting the nail
on the head; obviously, you know the percussion point on the hammer.
Knowing percussion points can make or break a baseball player. You,
Topaz, choose right. Of course, I will add this article to my
archives on Imperialism_Zionism along with your other penetrating
articles.

This article summerizes the era of the Ella Street Thug, the infamous
George W. Bush. This thug violated Americans and America and sent the
country spinning into depression.

I have some comment on this passage:

"Perhaps it's that American life is too soft... Whatever the reason,
many otherwise knowledgeable and hardheaded Americans just can't
entertain the idea of rounding up the Jews and getting rid of them,
even when the situation is as urgent as it is in America today. And
really, in the long run that is the only way to solve the Jewish
problem. "

In a previous article, ;you mentioned using others that the Civil
Rights laws were written by Jews to save blacks and other minorities.
Well the same laws would save the Jews. Meanwhile, you advanced the
notion that while these Jews seem to be "humanistic" they move to be
highly racial among themselve; they show humanism on the outside and
act selfishily and racially on the inside. Mr. Topaz, with these
Civil Rights Law and the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of
the United States of America, it is improbable for Americans to sack
the Jews however hateful they are.

> old story, so aptly expressed by the late-16th-century writer, SirJohn Harington. Harington wrote: "Treason doth never prosper: what's

Aviroce

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Dec 6, 2009, 10:43:26 PM12/6/09
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Yes. Sir. These great people of Palestine must continue their
struggle against their oppressors.

I wrote the Honorable President Barack Husein Obama again on the
urgency of establishing the Palestinian state and of course I
mentioned what a Palestinian student at the American University of
Beirut told me when he and his family left Palestine. He said,

"We ran away from Palestine because my parents heard that the "Jews"
would open a woman's belly, get her fetus, chop the fetus on her
breasts, and chop the woman's head and parade it in Deir Yaseen. I was
seven or eight years old (I never knew my actual date of birth as
documents were left in Palestine in 1948.)"

And,

"Mr. President, for how long the Palestinian people have to suffer at
the hands of their oppressors without a viable Palestinian state of
their own? For how long the Palestinian refugees have to suffer
before they can go back to their homes? Palestinians need the firm
commitment of the United States of America to resolve their problems
after all the United States of America established Israel and the
latter took over the shape of an apartheid state with unlimited
borders. Palestinians need the firm support of the United States of
America to convince Israel to deliver the basic parcels of land enough
to establish the Palestinian state according to UN Resolution 242."


On Dec 6, 6:05 pm, "Bolt Upright" <HughGRect...@merde.com> wrote:
> "Harold Burton" <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hal.i.burton-AEA9...@news.newsguy.com...> In article
> > <55fa9fb2-7fe1-4525-acca-5d6b27e69...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,


> > Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Palestinians are...
>
> > ...whining losers.  They started a war and lost.  They've been whining
> > about it for 60 years.
>
> And just *when* did the Arabs of Palestine (NOT the surrounding Arab
> governments!) start a war with anyone?
>
> Both then and today, they are the innocent victims in this piece, who
> through no fault of theirs had a shitload of dispossessed Europaen Jews
> inflicted on them.
>
>
>
>
>

Aviroce

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Dec 6, 2009, 10:45:49 PM12/6/09
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You Zionist bastard will have his day. I assure you it would not be
pretty.

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

Aviroce

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You are projecting yourself on me. Thank you for calling me an Arab;
it is a great honor to be called an Arab. Arabs established the basis
of modern societies.


On Dec 5, 4:38 pm, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
> On Dec 4, 11:00 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > One lady called me to rent my house in Vero Beach, Fl.  She said she
> > has a German Shepherd for a dog.  Then added, it is a house dog.  I
> > answered, "It will tear up the house."  She said, "I am not
> > interested."
>
> I think if she had a goat , instead of a dog, you would be more than
> happy to rent her your house, wouldn't you, Arab?
>
>
>
> > On Dec 3, 11:49 am, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 3, 2:19 am, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 1, 9:52 pm, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > > >news:fa6b8a7f-3b8d-49df...@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > On Nov 30, 8:33 pm, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > > > > > In Islam homosexuality is rampant.
>
> > > > > > > > You can prove that, of course?
> > > > > > > >It is not so hard to prove it if one  reads books and history about
> > > > > > > >Islam. But you obviously are not in the category of people reading
> > > > > > > >books.  .
> > > > > > > >For your education.
> > > > > > > >1.As I had shown in my post the “dancing boys” in Afghanistan is just
> > > > > > > >one example . I am not surprised why you being ashamed have not
> > > > > > > >included this  example in your comment.
> > > > > > > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/12/dancing-boys-afghanistan
>
> > > > > > > That does nothing to prove your allegations. Nothing at all.
> > > > > > > “nothing to prove”?  Look what you deleted :
>
> > > > > > It proves nothing like you claim.
>
> > > > > It proves that you are an empty-headed buffoon   having absolutely
> > > > > nothing to support your point.
>
> > > > > >And I delete it again due to its total  inconsistency with what you claim.
>
> > > > > Of course you deleted it. That's the only thing you can afford  to
> > > > > conceal your ignorance and embarrassment. Loser.
>
> > > > > >Generalisations do NOT offer proof of  concept.
>
> > > > > Especially when you delete all proofs and  then call it
> > > > > “generalizations” . Can anyone be more pathetic and stupid?
>
> > > > > > You are not worth the trouble of response. You are a brainles donkey.-
>
> > > > > You better go and fuck your goat, Ahmed. Let it be your consolation
> > > > > prize after you have demonstrated being a complete idiot and a sore
> > > > > loser in debating on the subject. I hope this favorite Muslim pastime
> > > > > will  make you feel much  better.- Hide quoted text -


>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>

> > > > Bestiality is part of Judaism.   Nevertheless, in the United States of
> > > > America have you wondered why women with male dogs are close to their
> > > > animals?   One time, I saw the dog going for a woman's front middle
> > > > and sniffing.  That is just an example.  But such behavior is common
> > > > among single women who live alone in general.-
>
> > > This stupid conclusion is a result of being  a Muslim . But being a
> > > Muslim surely makes you think that all non-Muslim mankind got to
> > > behave like all Muslims do.
>
> > > Do you remember what your beloved Ayatollah Khomeini' s teachings
> > > about bestiality?  Here it is :
>
> > > Dr. Homa Darabi Foundation,
> > > On sex with Animals
>
> > > Teachings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Supreme Leader of the Islamic
> > > Revolution
>
> > > "If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their
> > > urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no
> > > longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as
> > > possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who
> > > sodomized it."
>
> > > "It is forbidden to consume the excrement of animals or their nasal
> > > secretions. But if such are mixed in minute proportions into other
> > > foods their consumption is not forbidden."
>
> > > "The meat of horses, mules, or donkeys is not recommended. It is
> > > strictly forbidden if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man.
> > > In that case, the animal must be taken outside the city and sold."
>
> > > "If a man  fornicates with an animal and ejaculates, ablution is
> > > necessary."
>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­­­--------
>
> > > So, you see , Arab,  if you enjoy fucking goats, horses , mules or
> > > donkeys , like your great teacher Ayatollah Khomeini said,  then you
> > > foolishly assume that all people must do the same. But you are dead
> > > wrong, goatfucker. I never heard that  Christian priests,  Buddhist
> > > monks, or even  African voodoo  shamans  would approve doing such
> > > disgusting things.- Hide quoted text -

Aviroce

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Surely California Senator Diane Feinstein is still alive if your claim
is correct and I am sure it is not given the fact that Feinstein could
clarify your doubts and lies.

Aviroce

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You must be a "Talking Feces." You are dripping and smelly.

> > > > > the mounts of the devils- Hide quoted text -

staten

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On Dec 6, 9:51 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Palistine is here and now and forever.  As for you and your people go
> back to your countries of origin.

I am in my country with my people, Arab goatfucker. You , on the other
hand, live here illegally. No one asked you to come here. Your camels
and goats live in Arabia. And I hope you know geography - this is
not a part of America.

staten

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Dec 7, 2009, 10:47:17 AM12/7/09
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On Dec 6, 10:22 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am impressed by your choice of articles.  You keep hitting the nail
> on the head; obviously, you know the percussion point on the hammer.
> Knowing percussion points can make or break a baseball player.  You,
> Topaz, choose right.  Of course, I will add this article to my
> archives on Imperialism_Zionism along with your other penetrating
> articles.

Islamic Nazi Aviroce is praising the Geobbels admiring Nazi TopAss.
How cute! Is this a love?

staten

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On Dec 6, 10:43 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes. Sir.  These great people of Palestine must continue their
> struggle against their oppressors.

Their oppressors are the other Arabs. No one but the Arabs keep
these poor confused fools in filthy concentration camps for 60 years.
The Arabs stealing billions sent to Plais by the Europeans and
Americans. The Arabs are laughing their guts out at the Western
idiots who rob their own taxpayers by sending billions to the Arabs
just for nothing but the stupid Pali baboons get just suicide belts
and explosives instead of housing and education. Little wonder
why you are so proud of being an Arab. When it boils down to scam,
fraud or parasiting at someone's expense, the Arabs are unparalleled
in this the only trade where they know no competitions.

staten

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Dec 7, 2009, 10:52:34 AM12/7/09
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On Dec 6, 10:45 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You Zionist bastard will have his day.  I assure you it would not be
> pretty.

You Muslime pig badly wish me being a Zionist. Because Zionists are
too gentle on your criminal fascist cult Islam. But this time not
Zionists but people like Geert Wilders , SIOE (Stop Islamization of
Europe) , anti-Islam activists in America along with waking up
members of Congress ,
who launched a book called “Muslim Mafia” and asked for an
investigation of Muslim rats and moles in government , they will
kick your stinky Muslim asses. Enough is enough . People are fed up
with your Muslim filth. Wilders is right on saying ‘Islam wants to
control, subdue and is out for the destruction of our Western
civilization. In 1945 Nazism was beaten in Europe. In 1989 communism
was beaten in Europe. Now the Islamic ideology must be beaten. Stop
the Islamisation. Defend our freedom.’ He is soooo right! You filthy
Muslim pigs will be beaten! You soon will meet your camels in Arabia.
Start packing today!

staten

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Dec 7, 2009, 10:54:36 AM12/7/09
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Aviroce:

> You are projecting yourself on me.

Are you crazy? I am not a Muslim. Goatfucking is your sports.

>Thank you for calling me an Arab;

You are welcome, goatfucker.


> it is a great honor to be called an Arab. Arabs established the basis
> of modern societies.

Do you think that modern societies still live in 7th century? They
are not. Open your eyes , goatfucker. No one but Arabs and Muslims
savagely beat and stone to death their own women. No one but Arabs
and Muslims rape their own children by “marrying” them. No one but
Arabs and Muslims murder infidels just because they are not-Muslims .
No one but Muslims fuck goats, camels, horses and ewes, approved by
your imams like Ayatollah Khomeini. So if you think that this
disgusting things are “basis of modern societies” then you are an
idiot. Plain and simple.

staten

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Dec 7, 2009, 10:57:56 AM12/7/09
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On Dec 6, 11:40 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You must be a "Talking Feces."  You are dripping and smelly.

You must be a filthy, smelly , goatfucking, child molesting, wife
beating Arab. And you proud of being so nasty and filthy.
Congratulations. You are a wretched, disgusting excuse for a human
being.

Aviroce

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Dec 7, 2009, 11:33:31 AM12/7/09
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Here is the statistics for this instant:
Your 7-day activity
1 discussion started
100 discussions replies
188 direct replies to your messages
874 views of your messages

When such a stat is sustained every instant of time, you are talking
about millions of people reading what is posted. So when you speak
your filth, millions are watching and evaluating what kind of "dried
feces" are you? You are a mercenary Zionist, for the dollar which is
sparking in your eyes. No wit. No orginalioty. No principles. No
dignity. "Dried feces" on the sale block." Go figure.

Aviroce

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Dec 7, 2009, 11:34:58 AM12/7/09
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Staten Dried Feces On the Sale Block

Here is the statistics for this instant:
Your 7-day activity
1 discussion started
100 discussions replies
188 direct replies to your messages
874 views of your messages

When such a stat is sustained every instant of time, you are talking
about millions of people reading what is posted. So when you speak
your filth, millions are watching and evaluating what kind of "dried
feces" are you? You are a mercenary Zionist, for the dollar which is
sparking in your eyes. No wit. No orginalioty. No principles. No
dignity. "Dried feces" on the sale block." Go figure.

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