WHAT PRICE MUSLIM UNITY?
M.Abib
Salaamun Alaykum,
"Surely, those who divide their religion into sects, have nothing to do with you (O Muhammad)." Quran
(6:159)
"You shall submit to God, you shall observe the contact prayers (Salat), and do not be
IDOLWORSHIPERS. Do not be among those who divide their religion into sects; each sect happy with
what have. Quran (30:31-32
Do not be like those who became divided and disputed after the clear signs have come to them; these will
suffer a terrible retribution. Quran (3:105)
As illustrated in the verses shown above, unity among Muslims is an obligatory duty upon all sincere
believers. Any disobedience of such powerful commandments is a clear symptom of disbelief in Qur'an,
an a blatant defiance of God and His messenger. The Muslim Ummah we witness today is undeniably
divided, humiliated, and can no longer be in God's grace. The Muslim Ummah of today does not meet the
criteria of a truly Muslim Ummah as described in Qur'an 3:160, 22:40, 40:54, & 47:7. Obviously,
someone is doing something wrong. Therefore, it behooves all Muslims, for their own good, to look
around, examine their convictions carefully, and come up with the answers to two vital questions:
1)What are we doing wrong? and 2) How can we correct our errors?
WHAT PRICE MUSLIM UNITY? Unity among Muslims is guaranteed if all Muslims obeyed God and
His messenger by believing in one source of religious guidance; one source of jurisprudence. If all the
Muslims believed in one book and one God, the inevitable result would be unity, strength, and guaranteed
dignity (24:55). Unfortunately, the Muslims have adopted four sources of jurisprudence in addition to
Qur'an, namely:
(1) Hadith: sayings falsely attributed to the Prophet.
(2) Sunna: actions falsely attributed to the Prophet.
(3) Unanimity (Ijmaa'): an anti-Qur'anic principle which states that if the scholars unanimously agreed on
something, it must be correct!!! This defies the Qur'anic statements in 6:116, 12:103 & 12:106 indicating
that the majority of any people invariably follow the wrong path; even the majority of believers are
destined to fall into idol-worship (see 12:106).
(4) Analogy (Qiyas): the principle of comparing new situations and circumstances with old established
jurisprudence that is not based totally on Qur'an.
The fact that the Muslims of today have adopted five sources of jurisprudence is a loud declaration that the
Muslims have rejected Qur'an, and refused to believe God. For the Qur'an states repeatedly that it is
complete (6:115, 20:114), perfect (6:38), fully detailed (6:114), and that it shall be the only source of
religious guidance and jurisprudence (6:19). Verse 19 or Sura 6 states that the adoption of any other
sources besides Qur'an is tantamount to setting up other gods besides God. Ironically, the Quran itself has
prophesied such desertion of its teachings (see 25:30).
The immediate result of the Muslims' rejection of God's revelations is dismissal from God's grace, and
deprivation from understanding Qur'an. Verse 40 of Sura 7 states: "Surely, those who reject our
revelations and disregard them, the gates of heaven will never open up for them (to accept their prayers),
nor will they enter Paradise; their admission into Paradise is as impossible as having a camel pass through
the eye of a needle. Such is our retribution for the wicked."
The principal reason for the existence of sects in today's Islam, in total defiance of God and His Prophet,
is the false doctrines known as Hadith and Sunna. Centuries after the Prophet's death, the Shafe'i sect was
created because Imam Shafe'i believed that the Prophet had behaved in a certain manner as he walked,
talked, prayed, bathed, etc. The same thing happened when Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Malek, Imam Ibn
Hanbal, and others came up with different opinions regarding the Prophet's actions and way of life. With
the initiation of these sects, the followers of each Imam bitterly accused all others of apostasy and
paganism. Many of them invented Hadiths condemning the followers of rival sects. Today, these strong
rivalries still exist among the Sunni sects, as well as between Sunnis and the Shi'as.
The price of Muslim unity, dignity, victory, and guaranteed superiority in this world is to uphold Qur'an,
the whole Qur'an, and nothing but Qur'an. The Muslims have to give up all innovations, superstitions,
traditions, Hadith, Sunna, and all non-Qur'anic religious regulations. In order to attain unity and God's
promise of sovereignty on earth, the Muslims have to abandon all excuses for setting up sources of
religious guidance other than Qur'an: they have to believe God when He states that "Quran is complete,
perfect, fully detailed, and shall be the only source of religious guidance "(see 6:19, 38, 114).
Wa salaamun alaykum,
Mahmoud.
Bosnian Congress USA
I completely agree and I would like to add:
The most dangerous enemies of Muslims are treitors among us who pretend
to be a "Muslim fundamentalist" and who sign everuthing that our enemies
want. The best example is Alija Izetbegovic from Bosnia with his
signatures for our enemies and against Bosnians in Dayton.
Muhamed
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Bosnian Congress USA (az...@sunspot.tiac.net) wrote:
: I completely agree and I would like to add:
: The most dangerous enemies of Muslims are treitors among us who pretend
: to be a "Muslim fundamentalist" and who sign everything that our enemies
: want. The best example is Alija Izetbegovic from Bosnia with his
: signatures favoring our enemies and against Bosnians in Dayton.
: Muhamed
rap: In essence, the entire 20th Century is one constant war on Islam, in
Europe, Asia and Africa. People who call themselves Muslims have not come
even close to being able to themselves in this war that lasts for approx.
two centuries, with some very extreme accelerations during the past
several decades.
Turkey has already surrendered. The same is with "Saudi" Arabia, Jordan,
Kuwait, Emirates, etc. which were covertly in colaboration with Zionists
throughout the 20th Century. Nowadays, especially after the meeting in
Sharm el-Shaykh in Egypt, the entire "Zionist belt" (Turkey-Jordan-Saudi
Arabia-Kuwait-Egypt, etc.) is totally out in the open -- totally exposed
as puppets of American Zionist Establishment. Recent deal that Turkey
made with Zionists to surrender even the pride of its Army to Zionist
control is the final surrender and humiliation to once (upon the time)
powerful Ottoman Empire. In other words, "Muslims" are crawling on their
knees before their American-Zionist masters. Everyone can see it out in
the open.
Second echelon is somewhat odd. Saddam Husein served the western masters
for 20 some years, but, now they are torturing him -- and even more so,
his innocent people -- after his country has been bombed into oblivion in
the "Desert Storm". Syria is still managing to demonstrate some
independence and pride, which is quite formidable and rather amazing,
given the fact that its long standing friends from Russia are not really
now in charge as they used to be ...
Of course, Iran is rejecting to crawl under the Zionist boot. After all,
mighty and proud Persians know for sure that they are not going to crawl
before a small Middle Eastern tribe; How can a mighty Persian nation,
with thousands of years of glorious history crawl before a small (but now
powerful, in the West) tribe ?! That can not be.
Pakistan is a bad joke. That is a joke-country, a bad geostrategic
joke-country. They crawl before their masters ever since they were born.
No hope there.
In that situation, in that catastrophic situation, a life of a Muslim is
worth less than that of an animal. In that situation, Bosnian Muslims can
be murdered as much as just about any piece of scum of this earth wishes
to do! That includes their Anglo-French murderers, the Serbs, and their
German-Vatican murderers the Croats. USA i "presiding" over all that
Holocoust and "loving every minute of it".
ONE BILLION PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH HAVE TO PUT THEIR ACT TOGETHER - SOON.
ah...@icacomp.com
Assalama aleykum,
You have gone too far may be 'cus of anger or emotions,but the only thing
i would like to remind you and myself is to repent to Allah(inalilaahi
wa ina ileeh rajuun)due to anger and frustration one should n't loose
rationality,The Sunnan and the Hadiths are the practical actions showing
you your obligations and how you are supposed to conduct yourself
"The Messenger Of allah is an excellent example to follow"(33:21)
so my fellow human! what you are inviting us is totally absurd to me
if you encounter minor differences in the teachings of the Imams you
should take a middle course and ask for rightous guidance from your
lord.and seek more knowledge
Remember, whoever opposes Muhammed and denies the Authority of Allah will
be frustrated and i hereby declare and witness that "There is no God but
Allah and Mohamed is his prophet".
There are numerous things in your article that doesn't conform to the
islamic teachings but it is not clear to me wether you intended to convey
them in the way they appear to me or you were consumed by rage and you
didn't bothered as to their content,whatever the reason may be, you
cann't leave
certain parts of islamic religion and use the rest.
may allah guide us all.
Internet Cafe Muenchen
Bosnian Congress USA wrote:
>
> I completely agree and I would like to add:
>
> The most dangerous enemies of Muslims are treitors among us who pretend
> want. The best example is Alija Izetbegovic from Bosnia with his
>
> Muhamed
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On Mon, 20 May 1996, Y Rapido wrote:
>
> Bosnian Congress USA (az...@sunspot.tiac.net) wrote:
>
> : I completely agree and I would like to add:
>
> : The most dangerous enemies of Muslims are treitors among us who pretend
> : to be a "Muslim fundamentalist" and who sign everything that our enemies
> : want. The best example is Alija Izetbegovic from Bosnia with his
> : signatures favoring our enemies and against Bosnians in Dayton.
>
> : Muhamed
(I am sorry what happened to the Bosnians but I have met many Bosnians
and they do not speak in the way that you are. They are a people who
just want to live in peace without gunfire and destruction of their homes
and many Bosnians have Serb relatives... So, this is a shame...However,
it does not change that many Bosnians and Serbians are not part of this
hatred...)
>
> rap: In essence, the entire 20th Century is one constant war on Islam, in
> Europe, Asia and Africa. People who call themselves Muslims have not come
> even close to being able to themselves in this war that lasts for approx.
> two centuries, with some very extreme accelerations during the past
> several decades.
(I think you forgot the war on Communism..... The middle east was one
of the battle grounds for Communism versus Capitalism...That by far
was where many of the wars had to do with....)
>
> Turkey has already surrendered. The same is with "Saudi" Arabia, Jordan,
> Kuwait, Emirates, etc. which were covertly in colaboration with Zionists
> throughout the 20th Century. Nowadays, especially after the meeting in
> Sharm el-Shaykh in Egypt, the entire "Zionist belt" (Turkey-Jordan-Saudi
> Arabia-Kuwait-Egypt, etc.) is totally out in the open -- totally exposed
> as puppets of American Zionist Establishment. Recent deal that Turkey
> made with Zionists to surrender even the pride of its Army to Zionist
> control is the final surrender and humiliation to once (upon the time)
> powerful Ottoman Empire. In other words, "Muslims" are crawling on their
> knees before their American-Zionist masters. Everyone can see it out in
> the open. (Turkey never crawled on their knees that is one thing for sure.
They changed and decided to focus on economical issues....
Emirates in collaboration throughout out 20th century??? The Emirates
did not exist until the 70s and before that there was only Trucial
States which formed the Emirates..As far as Jordan, I will not debate on
that point...The Ottoman Empire was not great it starved many Syrians,
Palestinians, and half of Lebanon starved to death at one point...However,
those were Ottomans....)
> Second echelon is somewhat odd. Saddam Husein served the western masters
> for 20 some years, but, now they are torturing him -- and even more so,
> his innocent people -- after his country has been bombed into oblivion in
> the "Desert Storm". Syria is still managing to demonstrate some
> independence and pride, which is quite formidable and rather amazing,
> given the fact that its long standing friends from Russia are not really
> now in charge as they used to be ...
(Syrian Pride??? They are occupying Lebanon more than Israel is...
What kind of pride is that??? They killed 20,000 of their own people
what kind of good is that? They threatened to invaded Jordan about a few
decades ago... Also, Hafez flew to Cairo to Houssni Moubarak to complain
about King Hussein's signing of a peace accord knowing full well that
Houssni is Sadat's disciple...)
> Of course, Iran is rejecting to crawl under the Zionist boot. After all,
> mighty and proud Persians know for sure that they are not going to crawl
> before a small Middle Eastern tribe; How can a mighty Persian nation,
> with thousands of years of glorious history crawl before a small (but now
> powerful, in the West) tribe ?! That can not be.
(Instead, it is putting its people under the boot....
Some Iranians now would prefer the Shah's old system compared to what they
have now...)
> Pakistan is a bad joke. That is a joke-country, a bad geostrategic
> joke-country. They crawl before their masters ever since they were born.
> No hope there. (A bad joke? They are one of the hardest working and honest
people there is in this World no matter what you say...)
>
>
> In that situation, in that catastrophic situation, a life of a Muslim is
> worth less than that of an animal. In that situation, Bosnian Muslims can
> be murdered as much as just about any piece of scum of this earth wishes
> to do! That includes their Anglo-French murderers, the Serbs, and their
> German-Vatican murderers the Croats. USA i "presiding" over all that
> Holocoust and "loving every minute of it".
(If you recall, Bosnia was once a part of Serbia before the Ottomans defeated
them at Kossovo... The Turks came in and raped the women, killed priests,
and burned villages and took children and put them in the Janissary army..
It is disgusting what the Serbs have done but let us not forget what the
Ottomans did... Where was the world when Christians had holocausts in
the Balkans, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, and where was the world when
over 5 million Jews died in a holocaust and when Rwanda's million people
went??? So, my friend this has happened all over the world....
I also ask if there was never an Ottoman invasion of the Balkans, would
there have been a Bosnia... If there was never an invasion of Spain would
there have been an inquistion? We are tired of wars of religions.......
>
>
> ONE BILLION PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH HAVE TO PUT THEIR ACT TOGETHER - SOON.
>
(People need to get a clue on this earth and stop trying to find reasons
to kill each other and this includes "Christians", "Muslims", "Jews",
and "Others"...
Murat Kutan
BASIL KEILANI <b_k...@alcor.concordia.ca> wrote:
>(I am sorry what happened to the Bosnians but I have met many Bosnians
> and they do not speak in the way that you are. They are a people who
Are you also sorry for 2.5 million Muslims and Sephardic Jews, cold-bloodedly
slaughtered by your Armenian grandparents in puppet Russian Armenia in 1914?
Are you also sorry for 1.3 million Azeri people, mercilessly exterminated by
the Armenians in x-Soviet Armenia and Karabag in 1992?
Now, do you still claim that there is no reference to the Armenian butchery
of 2.5 million Muslims and Sephardic Jews in 1914 in the works of 'Robert
Dunn'?
Robert Dunn, _World Alive, A Personal Story_
Crown Publishers, Inc., New York (1952).
_Memoirs of an American officer who witnessed the
Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people_
p. 361 (fourth paragraph).
_Armenian corpses came next, the first a pretty Muslim child with
straight black hair, large eyes. She looked about twelve years old.
She lay in some stubble where meal lay scattered from the sack
she'd been toting. The bayonet had gone through her back, I judged,
for blood around was scant. Between the breasts one clot, too small
for a bullet wound, crusted her homespun dress.
The next was a Muslim boy of ten or less, in rawhide jacket and
knee-pants. He lay face down in the path by several huts. One arm
reached out to the pewter bowl he'd carried, now upset upon its
dough. Steel had jabbed just below his neck, into the spine.
There were Muslim grownups, too, I saw as I led the sorrel around.
Djul was empty of the living till I looked up to see beside me Dro's
[Armenian architect of the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people - ye]
German-speaking colonel. He said all Muslims who had not escaped were
dead._
Murat Kutan
<<We have never denied the Armenian crime of genocide
inflicted upon 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914
and 1920.>> {A. Zahorian -- 'Voices of Agonies', p. 91}
Jakovari
IMHO, you shouldn=B4t bother to sent any more of your divine mesages to
soc.culture.albanian. We have had enough of you people trying to learn
"the right ways". Who cares =B4bout religion?
FYI, albanians are both muslim AND christian. Trying to discuss matters
that involve one of the religions beeing the "right one", even in an
unspoken way as you have, is considered quite insensitive here.
Ciao
p.s:
BTW, I=B4m muslim by birth.
d.s.
Bosnian Congress USA
We, the citizens of Bosnia-Herzegovina, who were exiled by force
from our country into the USA and who understand the importance of
today's events on the future of our country, would like to send to
the representatives of the government of Bosnia and Herzegovina the
following:
PETITION
Regarding the announcement of the rules for the election of the governing
officials by the Temporary Election Committee of the Organization for
Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), first in the city of Mostar,
and shortly after in all of Bosnia-Herzegovina, we strongly demand that
the elections be postponed until the return of all Bosnian refugees to
their homes is completed. If the elections go on as planned by the OSCE
Temporary Election Committee and its leader Mr. Robert Frowick, we know
that the result would be the destruction of Bosnia-Herzegovina as an
independent country and the refugees, who were the vicims of the genocide
and ethnic cleansing, never would be allowed to return to their homes.
Having seen the previous performance of our government and its
readiness to cave in under pressure, we are justifiably concerned
about its future actions. No one, much less the highest officials of
the government of Bosnia-Herzegovina, has the right to take
actions which will lead to the destruction of our homeland, and your
participation in these elections would mean the capitulation of our
country.
We have been the victims of genocide committed by the enemies of our
country, and the wounds inflicted on us are still fresh and will
never fully heal. Because of the wounds inflicted on us and in honor
of those Bosnians who died for our homeland, we insist that you don't
hold the elections in Mostar and other parts of the country until
we are allowed to participate in them at HOME.
The refugees from Bosnia and Herzegovina, dispersed in 127 countries
all over the world, are living through the nightmare of slaughter and
genocide inflicted on them by the latest form of fascism. Your
participation in the elections before refugees return to their homes
would put you in the same class with those who committed genocide on
our people, as you would be killing our country. Don't be
participants in the genocide of your own people and country. Don't
you kill us too!
If you, the top officials of the government, decide not to listen to our
voice, we hope that our brothers and sisters at home, as well as any
patriots of an undivided Bosnia-Herzegovina, will. By boycotting these
elections, we will show the creators of the Dayton agreement, which is
immoral and every day adjusted to accommodate our enemies, that we are a
people with dignity and that we are aware of the scheme against us.
LONG LIVE UNDIVIDED BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA.
Boston, May 19, 1996
Signatures:
Gusic, Bedrudin (USA, Banja Luka)
Colakhodzic, Kemal (USA, Mostar)
Custovic, Mirzo (USA, Mostar)
Custovic, Dusanka (USA, Mostar)
Mahinic, Omica (USA, Mostar)
Mahinic, Seada (USA, Mostar)
Gusic, Dzenan (USA, Banja Luka)
Gusic, Mirsada (USA, Banja Luka)
Gusic, Sead (USA, Banja Luka)
Alagic, Fahrudin (USA, Sanski Most)
Omerbasic, Mensur (USA, Sarajevo)
Omerbasic, Faruk (USA, Sarajevo)
Omerbasic, Zumreta (USA, Sarajevo)
Colakhodzic, Jasminka (USA, Mostar)
Cehic, Sulejman (USA, Bosanski Novi)
Cehic, Enes (USA, Bosanski Novi)
Cehic, Rahmana (USA, Bosanski Novi)
Cehic, Zahida (USA, Bosanski Novi)
Alagic, Sead (USA, Sanski Most)
Alagic, Nasiha (USA, Sanski Most)
Alagic, Ismet (USA, Sanski Most)
Alagic, Seida (USA, Sanski Most)
Lakaca, Dzebrail (USA, Duvno)
Kusturica, Resad (USA, Sarajevo)
Misic, Ibrahim (USA, Mostar)
Misic, Amra (USA, Mostar)
Misic, Elma (USA, Mostar)
Dzindic, Hikmet (USA, Brcko)
Gutosic, Melika (USA, Brcko)
Dzindic, Bahrija (USA, Brcko)
Gutosic, Irma (USA, Brcko)
Causevic, Fazila (USA, Sarajevo)
Causevic, Emir (USA, Sarajevo)
Lakaca, Elvis (USA, Duvno)
Lakaca, Alisa (USA, Duvno)
Lakaca, Ajka (USA, Duvno)
Misic, Ahmet (USA, Mostar)
Misic, Semsa (USA, Mostar)
Misic, Semir (USA, Mostar)
Misic, Semira (USA, Mostar)
Haracic, Rahmo (USA, Bugojno)
Djulovic, Enis (USA, Donji Vakuf)
Borogovac, Mirza (USA, Tuzla)
Borogovac, Musadik (USA, Sarajevo)
Skoko, Kimeta (USA, Banja Luka)
Skoko, Salih (USA, Banja Luka)
Skoko, Semija (USA, Banja Luka)
Dracic-Islamovic, Vlasta (USA, Banja Luka)
Borogovac, Nefa (USA, Tuzla)
Hadziahmetovic, Avdo (USA, Foca)
Hadziahmetovic, Mehmed (USA, Foca)
Hadziahmetovic, Fahra (USA, Foca)
Kameric, Dinka (USA, Stolac)
Kameric, Zenun (USA, Teocak)
Islamovic, Kadima (USA, Bijeljina)
Islamovic, Zijah (USA, Bijeljina)
Dobric, Vasko (USA, Mostar)
Dobric, Aida (USA, Mostar)
Sijercic, Dervisa (USA, Mostar)
Duhovic, Emina (USA, Gorazde)
Dr. Borogovac, Muhamed (USA, Tuzla)
Talic, Alija (USA, Sanski Most)
Saracevic, Kenan (USA, Jajce)
Ljubovic, Adnan (USA, Mostar)
Islamovic, Ajnur (USA, Banja Luka)
Dr. Sijarcic, Zlatko (USA, Banja Luka)
Cadra, Denijal (USA, Mostar)
Cadra, Nermina (USA, Mostar)
Cadra, Maja (USA, Mostar)
Cadra, Sead (USA, Mostar)
Dr. Sendijarevic, Vahid (USA, Tuzla)
Dr. Sendijarevic, Aisa (USA, Tuzla)
Sendijarevic, Ibrahim (USA, Tuzla)
Ajun, Senka (USA, Modrica)
Ajun, Abdulah (USA, Modrica)
Keric, Osman (USA, Prijedor)
Keric, Jasminka (USA, Prijedor)
Velic, Munevera (USA, Prijedor)
Velic, Arnel (USA, Prijedor)
Nasic, Esma (USA, Prijedor)
Dedic, Ernad (USA, Prijedor)
Rustempasic, Svan (USA, Sarajevo)
Dr. Reuf Tafro (Switzerland, Foca)
Sadeta Dolan (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Semsa Tafro (Switzerland, Foca)
Osman Frzina (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Jasmina Frzina (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Edo Sabanagic (France, Velika Kladusa)
Muhamed Dedic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Kemo Sokolija (Italy, Sarajevo)
Fadila Sokolija (Italy, Sarajevo)
Naser Custovic (Australia, Tuzla)
Dinka Custovic (Australia, Tuzla)
Namik Omersaphic (Australia,
Almedin Salcin (Australia, Sarajevo)
Amela Salcin (Australia, Tuzla)
Mahir Sokolija (Australija, Sarajevo)
Sejdefa Sokolija (Australia, Sarajevo)
Mujo Ohranovic (Australia, Zvornik)
Himzo Tulic (Austria, Zvornik)
Adila Custovic (Australia, Sarajevo)
Aida Tulic (Austria, Zvornik)
Hanifa Tulic (Austria, Zvornik)
Teufik Sokolija (Germany, Sarajevo)
Fatima Sokolija (Germany, Sarajevo)
Ibrahim Halilovic (Germany, Varcar Vakuf)
Hajra Halilovic (Njemacka, Varcar Vakuf)
Samira Kamilija (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Lejla Kamilija (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Selma Kamilija (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Fatima Causevic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Mersida Causevic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Emina Causevic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Muhamed Sarajli (Switzerland, Cajnice)
Nagib Ibrulj (Switzerland, Mostar)
Nagib Lidija (Switzerland, Mostar)
Safet Bise (Australia, Stolac)
Association of citizens of Foca B-H (Now in the Switzerland,
President Dr. Reuf Tafro)
Radovan Pejcinovic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Rajna Dedic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Nedeljka Pejcinovic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Dragica Ohranovic (Australia, Zvornik)
Muhamed Curevac (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Hanka Curevac (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Enisa Curevac (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Samir Basic (Australia, Sarajevo)
Mevludin Ekmecic (France, Tuzla)
All of you who would like to support the right of the Bosnian refugees to
return to their homes, please join the petition by sending an e-mail
reply.
M. Abiib
ONE GOD / ONE SOURCE
Our Almighty Creator commands that QURAN, specifically QURAN, SHALL BE THE
ONLY SOURCE of religious teachings.
Furthermore, we are told that THE ACCEPTANCE OF ANY OTHER SOURCES for
religious guidance equals the setting up of OTHER GODS BESIDE GOD:
"Say (O Muhammad), 'Whose testimony is greater?' Say, 'God is the witness
between me and you that THIS QURAN was given to me to preach it to you, and
to whomever it reaches.' However, you certainly bear witness that you set
up other gods beside God (by upholding other sources beside Quran). Say, 'I
will never do what you are doing; I disown your idol-worship.'" (6:19)
This profound verse, which happens to be verse [19] of Sura 6, enjoins the
believers from upholding or following ANY OTHER SOURCE BESIDE QURAN, and
that doing this is equivalent to the setting up of other gods beside God.
In the strictest possible language, we are commanded to uphold Quran, the
whole Quran, and nothing but Quran.
Repeatedly, we are commanded to uphold Quran as the ONLY SOURCE OF
RELIGIOUS GUIDANCE.
Again and again, we are reminded that the following of ANY OTHER SOURCE
BESIDE QURAN EQUALS THE SETTING UP OF OTHER GODS BESIDE GOD.
Verses 22 through 38 of Sura 17 represent some of the most important
commandments in Quran. Immediately following these verses we find the verse
shown below:
"This is some of the wisdom revealed to you (in this Quran), and YOU SHALL
NOT SET UP ANY OTHER GOD BESIDE GOD (by following any other source beside
Quran). Otherwise, you will be thrown into hell, blamed and debased."
(17:39)
Despite all these clear commandments and extremely strict injunctions, why
do the followers of Hadith & Sunna fail to uphold the Quran alone?
M. Abiib
Salaamun alaikum,
Although God declares that Quran is FULLY DETAILED, & shall be the only
source, the majority of Muslims have been duped into following the
conjecture known as Hadith & Sunna.
While Quran is proven by PHYSICAL EVIDENCE to be the authentic and
unaltered word of God, Hadith and Sunna are unanimously recognized
as conjecture.
"Shall I seek OTHER THAN GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed THIS
BOOK FULLY DETAILED? ....The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and
justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words; He is the hearer, the
omniscient. Yet, if you obey the majority of people, they will take you
away from the path of God. That is because they follow CONJECTURE, and they
fail to think." (6:114-116)
"They insist upon following conjecture, when the guidance is given to them
herein from their Lord." (53:23)
OBEYING THE MESSENGER IS CONDITIONED
Obeying the messenger is absolute only as far as the Quranic revelations
are concerned.
Obeying the messenger is in upholding Quran, the whole Quran, and nothing
but Quran.
Obedience is strictly ON CONDITION THAT the source is God through the
messenger, and not the messenger who is no more than a human being, subject
to errors.
As shown in the verse below, the messenger as a man is to be obeyed ONLY if
he is right:
"O prophet, if the believing women come to you and pledge that they will
not idolize anything beside God, nor steal, nor commit adultery, nor kill
their children, nor produce any falsehood, nor disobey you WHEN YOU ARE
RIGHT, you shall accept their pledge, and ask God to forgive them." (60:12)
Thus, the condition is evident that Muhammad the man, unlike Muhammad the
messenger, shall be obeyed ONLY IF HE IS RIGHT.
M. Abiib
ONE GOD / ONE SOURCE
Our Almighty Creator commands that QURAN, specifically QURAN, SHALL BE THE
ONLY SOURCE of religious teachings.
Furthermore, we are told that THE ACCEPTANCE OF ANY OTHER SOURCES for
religious guidance equals the setting up of OTHER GODS BESIDE GOD:
"Say (O Muhammad), 'Whose testimony is greater?' Say, 'God is the witness
between me and you that THIS QURAN was given to me to preach it to you, and
to whomever it reaches.' However, you certainly bear witness that you set
up other gods beside God (by upholding other sources beside Quran). Say, 'I
will never do what you are doing; I disown your idol-worship.'" (6:19)
This profound verse, which happens to be verse [19] of Sura 6, enjoins the
believers from upholding or following ANY OTHER SOURCE BESIDE QURAN, and
that doing this is equivalent to the setting up of other gods beside God.
In the strictest possible language, we are commanded to uphold Quran, the
whole Quran, and nothing but Quran.
Repeatedly, we are commanded to uphold Quran as the ONLY SOURCE OF
Jomaa Ben-Hassine
But doesn't the Holy Quoran command Muslims to follow the example of
Prophet Mohammad (pbuh)? I can see your point where weak Hadiths are
concerned but to ignore the example of the Prophet is contradictory to
the Quran itself.
cas...@sonetis.com
"M. Abiib" <eb7...@goodnet.com> wrote:
Why don't you post in a more appropriate newsgroup? In order not to
portray an image of chaos and confusion (which is the image that the
developed world have of us and, we in turn are starting to believe in
it as well as a result of actions like yours, unfortunately) , it is
probably proper to ask you to go to alt.religeon or alt.isalm as
opposed to soc.culture groups.
Thankyou.
pub...@library.ucla.edu
read next posting.
pub...@library.ucla.edu
First of all, you have no idea what you're talking about. You are the sort of
person God all mighty talks about in Quran that have a disease in their heart that
take a part of Quran out of context and reach their conclusion without understanding
of covering (Kuffar)it truth. The Prophet (peace be upon him and his descendants)
is not another source than God. What he says is what God says, exactly and without
any additions or ommisions. He and the twelve infallable imams are not other
sources than Quran; they are the living Quran since what they say is exactly what
Quran says. They are blessed to us by Allah so that we may see what the Quran is
trying to tell us, what it really means and how its commands can be put into
practice in real life. So he gives us a model by which to follow, real life models,
for practical application of Qurans' verbal guidelines. If you understand the basic
and fundamental concepts of unity of existence and unity of movement as well as the
basic understanding of God's role in the overall scheme of things, you wouldn't be
and look so confused. I recommend highly you read the Quran in light of the highly
enlightend Muslim philosophers' ideas and thoughts, such as those of the all time
greatest philosopher, Mulla Sadra, also known as Muhammad Ibn Ibrahim, or Sadr-
al-Mutu'ahelin. Always be logical and you'll understand Islam.
pub...@library.ucla.edu
pub...@library.ucla.edu wrote:
>First of all, you have no idea what you're talking about. You are the sort of
>person God all mighty talks about in Quran that have a disease in their heart that
>take a part of Quran out of context and reach their conclusion without understanding
>any additions or ommisions. He and the twelve infallable imams are not other
>sources than Quran; they are the living Quran since what they say is exactly what
>Quran says. They are blessed to us by Allah so that we may see what the Quran is
>trying to tell us, what it really means and how its commands can be put into
>practice in real life. So he gives us a model by which to follow, real life models,
>for practical application of Qurans' verbal guidelines. If you understand the basic
>and fundamental concepts of unity of existence and unity of movement as well as the
pub...@library.ucla.edu
pub...@library.ucla.edu
pub...@library.ucla.edu wrote:
>First of all, you have no idea what you're talking about. You are the sort of
>person God all mighty talks about in Quran that have a disease in their heart that
>take a part of Quran out of context and reach their conclusion without understanding
>any additions or ommisions. He and the twelve infallable imams are not other
>sources than Quran; they are the living Quran since what they say is exactly what
>Quran says. They are blessed to us by Allah so that we may see what the Quran is
>trying to tell us, what it really means and how its commands can be put into
>practice in real life. So he gives us a model by which to follow, real life models,
>for practical application of Qurans' verbal guidelines. If you understand the basic
>and fundamental concepts of unity of existence and unity of movement as well as the
pub...@library.ucla.edu
pub...@library.ucla.edu
READ MY ARTICLES UNDER QURAN ALONE!
Ercument OZER
M. Abiib wrote:
>
> ONE GOD / ONE SOURCE
>
> Our Almighty Creator commands that QURAN, specifically QURAN, SHALL BE THE
> ONLY SOURCE of religious teachings.
Did you notice that you had posted this also to soc.culture.turkish! You
were supposed to know that Turks are accustomed to free environment of
expression supported by free press and multi-party parliamentarian system;
and therefore you were supposed to know that you can get some tough comments
from this group. Quran was assembled after the death of Hz. Muhammet into a
book on the basis that the people were twisting it to fit their interests.
And during that assembly some of the documents had been burned on the claim
that they were not real. Besides, it was not put into the order of delivarence
but was put into an order mostly based on the lengths of the chapters
destroying the any chance of systematic reasoning. Among all countries with
predominantly muslim population only one country has the free environment to
be able to discuss these, Turkey (for those who does not know: Turkish
population is 99.12 % muslim). And that is because Turkey went through a kind
of renaissance in 1920s based on the hundreds of years of ruling experience.
That was normal because among predominantly muslim nations it was the only
state that has the proper accumulation of experience to be able to do that.
That experience was turned into an ideology called as ATATURKISM or Kemalism
named after the leader of the time Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, a first rate soldier
and statesman. I suggest to you guys to study the Turkish experience. Turks
of Turkey are accustomed to hundreds of years of freedom and have the courage,
self confidence, self respect and determination to proceed further. You
wheather like it or dont' like it, sooner or later all other islamic nations
got to follow Turkish path and borrow the Kemalism from Turkey because it is
based on the scientific reasoning and only example of its kind.
"Science is the religion of the elite,
religion is the science of the masses"
--
Ercument OZER's personal homepage for SCT signature :
http://gumbo.bae.lsu.edu/HOME5/pj3084/oercumen/MOSAIC/homepage.html
Najak Saiira
To all you Middle East fans
I am currently taking a class on Islam and I would appreciate if
I could get some topic suggestions for an essay, which has to be 30 pgs.
Pls send me the topics A.S.A.P. I am interested in the terrorism,
political etc.
Thank You
Saiira Najak
pub...@library.ucla.edu
pub...@library.ucla.edu wrote:
>pub...@library.ucla.edu wrote:
>>First of all, you have no idea what you're talking about. You are the sort of
>>person God all mighty talks about in Quran that have a disease in their heart that
>>take a part of Quran out of context and reach their conclusion without understanding
>>any additions or ommisions. He and the twelve infallable imams are not other
>>sources than Quran; they are the living Quran since what they say is exactly what
>>Quran says. They are blessed to us by Allah so that we may see what the Quran is
>>trying to tell us, what it really means and how its commands can be put into
>>practice in real life. So he gives us a model by which to follow, real life models,
>>for practical application of Qurans' verbal guidelines. If you understand the basic
>>and fundamental concepts of unity of existence and unity of movement as well as the
kac...@hair.com
Not so fast Ozer, here is the latest news for your
information! Ataturk is dead, wake up and smell the turkish
coffee:)))))))))
Turkey is going to be lucky if the generals don't take over!
That's democracy, allright!
From the London Times June 6, 1996
***********************
IN THE full glare of 155 nations attending the United Nation's
Habitat
international housing conference, Turkey's tottering
Government is likely
to collapse before the end of the week.
The fall of Mesut Yilmaz's centre-right coalition,
undermined by the Prime
Minister's bitter personal feud with Tansu Ciller, his
predecessor and now
his nominal coalition ally, may lead to the triumph of
the opposition
Islamists, bringing to power an openly religious party
for the first time
since Kemal Ataturk imposed a secular constitution more
than 70 years
ago.
Such a move would send shock waves throughout Nato, and
could call
into question the pro-Western policies and orientation
that have made
Turkey a bedrock of the Atlantic alliance since the
Second World War.
The advent of an Islamic government could also alarm
investors and
financial circles, accelerating Turkey's rampant
inflation. It would
undermine the West's attempt to protect Iraqi Kurds from
President
Saddam Hussein and give comfort to Islamic
fundamentalists throughout
the Middle East.
The writing has been on the wall for Mr Yilmaz, of the
Motherland Party,
since he threatened to send Mrs Ciller, leader of the
True Path Party, to
the Supreme Court on suspicion of having set up a slush
fund for her use.
She is strongly contesting the charges, and has promised
to support a
no-confidence motion against Mr Yilmaz, to be tabled in
parliament on
Saturday by Necmettin Erbakan, the leader of the
pro-Islamic Welfare
Party. Mrs Ciller's deputies decided yesterday to
support her vote against
Mr Yilmaz, making his defeat seem certain. This could
lead to fresh
elections, or to a new coalition headed by Mr Erbakan.
Meanwhile,
parliament voted to investigate the sources of Mrs
Ciller's personal
wealth.
All this week there have been frantic attempts to patch
up the present
secular Government, quaintly known as the Motherpath
coalition. But the
personal enmity between the two party leaders, and a
series of false
moves by both sides, has, if anything, deepened the
gulf. Mr Yilmaz has
tried to push Mrs Ciller into a corner, but Turkey's
"Iron Lady" is as much
a fighter as her role model, Margaret Thatcher. Waiting
in the wings is the
army, traditionally the guardian of Ataturk's secular
legacy, which has
twice before brutally intervened to dispatch bickering
politicians. Many
Turks, voicing conspiracy theories, also say the
Americans would not
allow the Islamists to come to power. The main threat
would be to
American bases in Turkey, especially to Incirlik, the
base for Operation
Provide Comfort, to help Iraqi Kurds and police the
"no-fly zone" over
northern Iraq.
The mandate for this operation is up for renewal at the
end of this month,
and the Americans have been lobbying political leaders,
though even the
present Defence Minister is likely to tell Nato's
defence planning
committee that there are not enough parliamentary votes
to extend it.
Turkey's political drift is having serious economic
consequences. Rampant
inflation remains unchecked, and the latest consumer
price index rose a
further 4.5 per cent in May, giving a yearly inflation
rate of 82.9 per cent.
The possibility of fresh elections has already scared
the private sector into
raising prices. The International Monetary Fund, in a
strongly worded
letter to the Government, has painted a bleak picture,
with warnings of
higher inflation and a budget deficit double what the
Government foresaw.
During a visit to Brussels this week, Mr Yilmaz has
appeared to soften
towards Mrs Ciller, and has suggested a possible meeting
with her on his
return. But as one observer said: "Turkish politics is a
game of chess
which nobody knows how to play properly."
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Najak Saiira (na...@server.uwindsor.ca) wrote:
: To all you Middle East fans
U r taking a class on Islam yet u choose to focus on terrorism...why? There r
many other aspects within Islam u can look at.......terrorism n Islam, too
typical, too boring......U won't get that A........
sal.
: Thank You
: Saiira Najak
Bosnian Congress USA
PETITION
LONG LIVE UNDIVIDED BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA.
Boston, May 19, 1996
Signatures:
Colakhodzic, Amar (USA, Mostar)
Muhamed Sarajlic (Switzerland, Cajnice)
Nagib Ibrulj (Switzerland, Mostar)
Nagib Lidija (Switzerland, Mostar)
Safet Bise (Australia, Stolac)
Association of citizens of Foca B-H (Now in the Switzerland,
President Dr. Reuf Tafro)
Radovan Pejcinovic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Rajna Dedic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Nedeljka Pejcinovic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Dragica Ohranovic (Australia, Zvornik)
Muhamed Curevac (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Hanka Curevac (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Enisa Curevac (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Samir Basic (Australia, Sarajevo)
Mevludin Ekmecic (France, Tuzla)
* Dr. Sirbegovic Sedat (USA, Banja Luka)
* Bajraktarevic Kemaludin (Hungary, Brcko)
* Bajraktarevic Enida (Hungary, Brcko)
* Bajraktarevic Mirza (Hungary, Brcko)
* Keserovic Fadil (Hungary, Brcko)
* Keserovic Hasreta (Hungary, Brcko)
* Keserovic Edinn (Hunagry, Brcko)
* Snagic Asim (Hungary, Brcko)
* Musanovic Rasema (Germany, Brcko)
* Musanovic Vahid (Germany, Brcko)
* Musanovic Zlatko (Germany, Brcko)
* Musanovic Angijada (Germany, Brcko)
* Musanovi Emir (Austria, Brcko)
* Musanovic Subha (Austria, Brcko)
* Bulic Emir (Germany, Bosanska Dubica)
* Bulic Semka (Gremany, Bosanska Dubica)
* Bulic Sefika (Germany, Bosanska Dubica)
* Hasic Sulejman (Germany, Bosanska Dubica)
* Hasic Ernest (Germany, Bosanska Dubica)
* Hasic jasmin (Germany, Bosanska Dubica)
* Keserovic Hasan (Germany, Brcko)
* Keserovic Ramiza (Germany, Brcko)
* Keserovic Angijad (Germany, Brcko)
* Keserovic Arso (Germany, Brcko)
* Bajric Sejad (Australia)
* Supuk Abid (Australia, Sanski Most)
* Pasic Refik (Australia, Mostar)
* Pasic Abaz (Australia, Trebinje)
* Pasic Hajrudin (Australia Trebinje)
Some friends of Bosnians from other countries also wanted to support the
action.
* Mr Atif Shaukat Iqbal (Lahor Cantt, Pakistan); co...@asiqbal.brain.com.pk
* Syed Zahidi (Boston, USA); sza...@lynxs.dac.neu.edu
* Arif Rafiq (New York, USA); bil...@ix.nnetcom.com
* Hayrani Oz (Ohio, USA); oz...@osu.edu
* Noureddine Hezit (Vancouver, Canada); he...@max.net.com
* Amerha Rafiq (New York, USA)
* Nasiha Rafiq (New York, USA)
* Ahmed Rafiq (New York, USA)
* Samira Rafiq (New York, USA)
* Razija Rafiq (New York, USA)
* Ayub Malakana (New York, USA)
* Asma Malakana (New York, USA)
* Aktha Malakana (New York, USA)
* Reza Dilugani (New York, USA)
* Peter Baeumle (Germany); p.ba...@oln.comlink.apc.org
* Dr. Jafar Mana (Boston, USA); jm...@aol.com
The new names on the list are denoted by (*).
Najak Saiira
To all Muslims
I would appreciate if you could give me suggestions on some
topics for my Islam class. I am particullary interested in how the west
sees the east, religiously or politically. Pls give me suggestions, I am
in extreme stress, this paper has to be 30 pages.
HELP!!
Thank You
Saiira Najak
Ercument OZER
What you put as the latest news is old news to me. Obviously you are
from somewhere who has no idea of how a system with free press, independent
judicial system and multi-party works. Turkish Governments come and go but
the Turkish State and Kemalist Model stays; and the Turkish State is well
defined in its constitution. If the governments of the predominantly muslim
countries could go as easily as the Turkish way when they fail they
would be more democratic. The fast dynamics of the Turkey and its enormous
speed of development required some manipulation in the form of interventions
in the past. Today, the spending for government investments in Turkey is not
counted on weekly or daily basis but counted as spending per minute. Such
speed is normal to create some unrest though those investments, like the
South Eastern Anatolian Development Project, are to prepare Turkey to the
21st century when it will start exporting the Kemalist Model. Studies
clearly indicates that Turkey will be the regional super power in the 21st
century.
If you had had any bit of information about Turkish past then you would know:
its army is more dedicated than any institution else to keep Turkey as a multi
-party democracy with free press and independent judicial system. Election of
a religious party in a free press, judicial, and multy-party environment in
a predominantly muslim country is almost first of its kind. This experience
is more likely to put another nail to the coffins of the Middle-Eastern
Dictators than working on their behalf.
Lets come to the Turkish - Islam relations. Turks got Islam from Arabs and
gave the Arabs their rulers in return. As being the cutting edge of islam
against much stronger countries, Turkey has the experience to deal with
crises. Actually it is in the crises that Turkish state performs best
(wolfs like smoky weather).
No matter if other predominantly muslim countries like it or not, the Kemalist
Model is the system they have to approach to because the Kemalist Model is
based on the scientific reasoning and hundreds of years of ruling experience.
They can not efford going through that hundreds of years of statemanship
experince themselves, they simply have to borrow it. Some of the countries
above, that the posting had been done to, were provinces of the Turkish
Empire for hundreds of years. Even that is enough to compare the Turkish
experience with of those countries. That is to say, the guy who posted his
original "QURAN ALONE" posting to soc.culture.turkish as well as
other groups (by the way, his sending it to so many groups at once is one
of the worst cases of abuse and propoganda activity I had ever seen) is in
no position of being qualified to suggest anything to the Turkish people.
myname
Re:QURAN ALONE
Those who are doubtful about divinity of Qur,an,
they actually know nothing why many copies of Qur'an were burned during
the period of Khaliph Uthman.First thing, we shoud know that Qur,an is pronunciated
according to the vowel used in the quranic verses.In Arabic language vowel
(jer,jabor pesh)is not used
in their writings.But why we use these vowels in Qur'an,we should know.
Different Arab tribes were pronunciating differently in that time?So different copies of Qura'an
had different vowels (jer,jabor,pesh)
added according to the pronunciation of the tribe.The name of the tribe of our Prophet(S.A)
was Quraish.SO Khaliph Uthman accepted only the copies of Quraish.This copies were verified by
rehearsing in the original Quraesh dialect.Because qur'an was in the memory of many Sahabas.
The tribes other than Quraish were pronunciating differently,so their copies were burned.
The verses of the quran were revealed according to the different circumstances of Prphet's life.
So Allah did n't send the whole revealition in order.Later by the wise Sahabas and Khaliphas
these verses were put into order.So there in not a single contradiction in it.
Please don't believe the ideas of the unbelievers,who are trying hard to make propaganda against
islam.But truth can n't be stopped by their wishful vain desires.It must win in the long run.Now
Turkey is also going to the direction of truth.We will see very soon ,islamic costitutions in
Turkey.May Allah give hedaya to the misguiding muslim ummah.
OK.
Rabiul Islam
Oulu University
Finland