Regarding the religion referred to as `Hinduism', JAWAHARLAL NEHRU said in
his "THE DISCOVERY OF INDIA" (Page 37):
"HINDUISM as a faith is vague, amorphous, many sided, all things to all
men. It is hardly possible to
define it, or indeed to say definitely whether it is a religion or not,
in the usual sense of the word. In its
present form, and even in the past, it embraces many beliefs and
practices, from the highest to the
lowest, often opposed to or contradicting each other."
Just like to some muslims islam means buttfucking, and to other muslims
it is camel fucking and still to other goat fucking and so on and so
on ..
Perhaps, you did not know that the founder of islam, the arab son of a
bitch Mohammed was a camel fucker, butt fucker and a goat fucker.
Piss man, take it easy.
Dave
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Dear friends
Since India's reprehensible entry into the nuclear
weapons club which
violated New Delhi's own principled stance against
nuclear weapons for
50
years, many groups around the country have been
working steadily to
halt
and reverse this. They have marched in the streets,
campaigned in the
media, lobbied in political and expert circles, with
whatever resources
they have been able to lay their hands on.
The post-1998 adventurism in South Asia, culminating
in the Kargil war
last
year, brings home the urgency of making this fight
against nuclear
weapons
more effective. For doing this, some of us, as
anti-nuclear weapons
groups
and people, have met over the past few months. A large
number of
groups,
over 20 of which met in Nagpur at the end of March,
and then again in
Nagpur on July 30, plan to hold a broad-based National
Convention of
all
those who are actively participating in and
contributing to the Indian
struggle against nuclear weapons.
The proposed National Convention is going to be held
in New Delhi
between
November 11 and 13, 2000. A local committee of
organisations and
people in
Delhi has already been set up and has begun putting
the infrastructure
and
resources together. A draft paper forming the basis
of the discussions
at
the proposed Convention and sponsored by a host of
organisations and
individuals has also been written by the people
involved in the
preparatory
meetings through long discussions, and is appended to
this letter. The
hope is that the National Convention would clarify
views, build
solidarity,
provide information, and help plan unified or
coordinated plans and
strategies as well as making a public point about the
strength of the
movement in the country.
None of this is going to succeed unless the people who
are really
concerned
about nuclear weapons stand up to be counted in the
Convention. We
therefore appeal to you to participate in the
Convention, to publicise
it
widely, and to contribute to it financially. All
letters for attending
as
well as financial contributions can be sent to the
address below.
While the appended draft paper is a basis for
discussion, the
participating
organisations and people are aware that there can be
certain
differences of
perspective, or disputes over details, or
disagreements over precise
formulation. We appeal to all those friends who have
such reservations
that, so long as we all believe in the need to
eliminate nuclear
weapons,
all other issues can be discussed and debated openly
and constructively
at
the Convention, and we therefore urge them to attend
the Convention in
such
a spirit of critical and constructive friendship and
solidarity. Total
agreement or even substantial agreement with the
appended draft is not
a
pre-condition for full and effective participation in
the proposed and
forthcoming Convention. Without both the criticism and
the solidarity,
all
efforts would be in vain.
Organisations agreeing with the general spirit of the
draft are
requested
to add their names to the list of sponsors.
We look forward to hearing of your participation.
In solidarity,
(On Behalf of the National Convention Preparatory
Committee)
Achin Vanaik
MIND (Movement in India for Nuclear Disarmament)
c/o Delhi Science Forum
B1 Local Shopping Centre, IInd Floor.
J Block, Saket
New Delhi 110017
Tel. nos.6862716/6524323
Fax no. 6862716
email:ctd...@vsnl.com
SPONSORING ORGANISATIONS
Journalists Against Nuclear Weapons (JANW), Chennai
Physicians for Peace, Chennai
Movement in India for Nuclear Disarmament (MIND),
Delhi, Mumbai
Student Christian Movement, Kerala
Indian Social Institute, Delhi
National Alliance for Peoples' Movement (NAPM), Delhi,
Lucknow, Nagpur
Centre for Education and Documentation (CED),
Bangalore
All India Bank Employees Association (AIBEA-Canara
Bank), Bangalore
Alternate Lawyers Forum, Bangalore
Bharat Electricals Limited Employees Union, Bangalore
Citizens Against Nuclear Energy, Bangalore
Documentation and Dissemination Centre for Disarmament
Information,
Bangalore
Federation of Voluntary organisations for Rural
Development-Karnataka
Gandhi Peace Centre, Bangalore
General Insurance Employees Union, Bangalore
Indian Scientists Against Nuclear Weapons, Bangalore
International Energy Initiative, Bangalore
Karnataka State Peace and Solidarity Organisation,
Bangalore
Manasa, Bangalore
New Entity for Social Action, Bangalore
Peoples Union for Civil Liberties-Karnataka
Pipal Tree, Bangalore
Samvada, Bangalore
Science for Society, Bangalore
Anglo-Indian Guild, Bangalore
Visthar, Bangalore
Bharath Gyan Vigyan Samithi, Bangalore
National Council of Churches in India (NCCI), Nagpur
Youth for Nuclear Disarmament (YND), Delhi
Vikas Adhyayan Kendra, Mumbai
Youth for Unity and Voluntary Action (YUVA), Nagpur
Anumukti, Vedchhi
India Peace Centre, Nagpur
Gandhi Peace Foundation, Delhi
Anti-Nuclear Movement, Nagpur
Wan Kamgar Sanghathna, Nagpur
Campaign Against Nuclear Weapons, West Bengal
Greenpeace, India
Saheli, Delhi
Public Interest Research Centre, Delhi
Gene Campaign, Delhi
EKTA (Unity), Mumbai
Indian Scientists Against Nuclear Weapons (ISANW).
Chennai
Chhattisgarh Anumukti Manch (CAMM), Chhattisgarh
Indian National Social Action Forum (INSAF)
Draft 1 of Concept Paper for National Convention
A NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT MOVEMENT IN INDIA
India's self-declared entry into the nuclear weapons
club in May 1998
when
it conducted five nuclear tests in Pokharan, Rajasthan
is ethically
reprehensible, socially, politically and economically
ruinous, and
deserves
unequivocal condemnation.
1. Why We Must Oppose Nuclear Weapons
1.1. The Moral Dimension: Nuclear weapons are means of
mass destruction
regardless of who wields them. They impose horrendous
suffering on
victims
across generations. They can destroy the ecosystem.
The sheer scale
and
character of the devastation they can cause makes them
a profound and
distinctive evil. For this and other reasons their
possession, use, or
threat of use is immoral.
1.2. Betraying The Past: Until 1998, the government of
India
consistently
termed nuclear weapons evil and was in the forefront
of initiatives to
eliminate them. This consistent ethical position was
abandoned in
1998,
without any tenable explanation for Pokhran II and the
weaponisation in
its
aftermath. India [followed by Pakistan] has thus
joined the club of
nuclear weapons states (NWSs) which pursue
discriminatory and hegemonic
agendas. .
1.3. The Nuclear Danger: Nuclear weapons do not
provide 'national
security'
but increase insecurity and paranoia. Time and again
since the Nuclear
Age
began in 1945, we have come to the brink of a nuclear
exchange either
by
design, miscalculation or accident. If the world
continues to have such
weapons, it is very likely that they will be used
sometime, someplace.
In
this respect, the India-Pakistan nuclear face-off is
an obvious danger,
even if not the only one. The myth that nuclear
weapons provide
security
was debunked by the Kargil conflict. Nuclearization
and arms-racing
arouses
greater mutual suspicions and fears.
1.4. A Diversion From Real Needs: Nuclear arming is
unnecessary and
wasteful. Since a 'minimum credible nuclear deterrent'
is not a fixed
position but moves ever upwards depending on the
changing technologies
and
preparations of other 'nuclear rivals', building such
a deterrent over
the
next decade can (according to the estimates of the
nuclear lobby
itself)
cost anything between Rs. 70,000 crores and Rs.
700,000 crores.
Alternative
uses of such resources would eliminate illiteracy,
dramatically improve
health-care as well as provide a basic social security
net for all
Indians.
The economic cost of a spiralling arms race will be
ruinous and the
marginalized will be pushed further to the periphery.
1.5. Undermining Democracy, Destroying the
Environment: A nuclear
weapons
regime creates unacceptable levels of secrecy and
unaccountability.
When
this regime is linked to, and reinforced by, a
communal, chauvinist and
militaristic ideology, as is the case in India, then
it can only
greatly
worsen matters. To protect the health and safety of
employees, local
residents and prevent degradation of the local
environment there must
be
proper and full transparency with public
accountability regarding the
activities of the Department of Atomic Energy (DAE).
1.6. A Race Against Time: Early nuclear disarmament is
a must. It is an
essential link in the struggle for an egalitarian,
socially just
society
and world. As such the struggle for nuclear
disarmament must connect
with
global, regional, national and local concerns.
2. Building the Movement
2.1. A Unified Focus: An anti-nuclear weapons focus
brings together
groups
that share this basic platform but may have
differences of perception
on
related and important issues: namely how best to
handle the tensions
between arms control/abolition, between nuclear
weapons/energy, between
nuclear disarmament/general disarmament and peace.
These tensions can
neither be hidden nor ignored but must be creatively
explored and
managed
through building a united movement AGAINST nuclear
weapons which is
also
simultaneously linked to the various movements FOR
social justice and
development. Such an anti-nuclear disarmament movement
must encourage
maximum freedom of discussion and spaces for multiple
forms of
co-operation
between like-minded groups and individuals, but also
continuously
deepen
and strengthen overall unity on an agreed minimum
programme and
platform.
2.2. A Global Perspective: It is essential to keep in
mind the global
dimension of an Indian/South Asian struggle against
nuclear weapons.
Therefore, connections with global movements are
essential. The
culpability
of the NWSs, especially (but not solely) of the US,
must be recognised
and
every effort made to push the NWSs towards rapid and
total global
disarmament.
2.3. A Broad Front: The national coalition that
composes the
anti-nuclear
weapons movement will include groups that work
primarily on nuclear
weapons-related issues, groups that work on nuclear
cycle-related
issues,
as well as a large majority of groups that work on
broader or allied
areas
of social justice and empowerment which see nuclear
weapons as one more
target of their struggle. These sensibilities and
perspectives need to
be
respected and harnessed creatively.
2.4. Maintaining Dialogue: It is essential for such a
movement to
maintain
dialogue with the followers of all political parties,
and with the
leaders
of those parties and political groups which have
opposed India's
nuclear
weaponization. This dialogue must focus on the need
for nuclear
disarmament at the national, regional and global
levels and for
stopping
all nuclear tests and weaponization. An ongoing and
ever deeper
dialogue
with the general public is, of course, vital.
2.5. Unity And Diversity: The movement must steadily
evolve consensus
positions on the core issue of nuclear weapons and the
immediately
related
matters of nuclear safety and transparency. Beyond
this the movement
must
forge links with the broader issues of social justice,
development and
'security'. The national network of organisations must
itself be of a
correspondingly loose, democratic and open type. It
would also be very
useful for the National Convention to generate a
national-level
co-ordinating group of some kind.
2.6. Stock Taking And Co-ordination: The National
Convention must take
careful stock of the various resources and capacities
collectively
available in avenues such as advocacy, propaganda,
school and college
programmes, cultural displays, creating pressure
through public
agitation
and mobilisation, interactions with opinion-shaping
constituencies like
the
public media. This will enable groups to plan and
carry out
co-ordinated
activities at local, regional and national levels.
2.7. An Action Plan: It would be useful to set up a
United Action Plan
for
one year at the National Convention to express the
broadest unity
common on
the nuclear weapons issue, and to make public [perhaps
via a press
conference] a declaration representing the broad sense
of the
anti-nuclear
weapons National Convention [see goals below]. A
symbolic public
act/event
associated with the holding of the National Convention
would help
establish
that there is a national anti-nuclear opinion
translating into action.
3. Our Common Agenda
3.1 India
To halt and roll back India's nuclear weapons-related
preparations and
activity we demand the following measures to be
implemented
immediately:
No assembly of nuclear weapons, induction and
deployment of nuclear
weapons.
No acquisition and development of nuclear
weapons-specific delivery
systems
and no missile tests.
Advanced research into nuclear weapons to be halted.
No to explosive testing, subcritical tests, production
or acquisition
of
weapons-usable fissile materials and tritium.
Complete transparency and independent monitoring of
DAE performance and
full public accountability.
Proper compensation and reparation to all victims and
their families
for
damages done to their health and local environmental
conditions by
activities related to all aspects (from uranium mining
to reactor
production to waste disposal) of the fuel cycle. All
environmental
damage
to be fully rectified.
Public accountability of the veracity and efficacy of
the freeze.
3.2 Other Nuclear Capable and Nuclear Weapons States
We demand similar immediate measures of nuclear
restraint and roll back
from Pakistan and Israel.
All the N-5 countries (USA, Russia, China, Britain,
France) must
immediately de-alert fully their nuclear weapons
system, make a pledge
of
No First Use and stop all research into advanced
nuclear weapons. No to
all
efforts to construct an anti-ballistic missile system
or missile
shield.
We demand the rapid, systematic and continuous
reduction by the N-5 of
their nuclear weapons down to zero level through
unilateral, bilateral
and
multilateral commitments and pacts.
We demand that the Indian government go back to being
among the
pace-setters in matters of global nuclear disarmament.
We want a nuclear weapons free world and support all
genuine efforts in
pursuit of this goal.
In ancient hindu book of Mahabharata, Mahaveer King Ravana of Shri
Lanka is described to be 12, feet tall and possessed with extraordinary
physical attributes such as six heads and four arms denoting his
strength.Based on his anatomical configurations my research studies
have computed (computer models) that his lingum would be
at least 16" long, +,-, 1".Hence Ramas wife Sitas psychological
profile after seaparation from king Ravana is justified especially when
Rama's lingum was about 4" only.It was the remebrance and the sense of
deprivation of the remaining 12 inches that made Sitas' subsequent
living with rama miserable.And in those days there was premium on the
matters pertaining to sex, sex organs, especially the dimensions of the
male lingum, which was revered as holy as a god, were talk of the day
among females of brahimini dharma and nobility.Poor sita devi!
Thoku 123
In article <398A56C3...@pk.net>,
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kool fire wrote:
> if some chandravthy writes on page 234,235 in a diary that your
> wife was having the hots for your neighbour....are you gonna
> belive it you dimwit......chandravathy ..page 199-200...my arse.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
is Ramayana only as important as a diary ?
you do not value your holy book much do you?
>if some chandravthy writes on page 234,235 in a diary that your
>wife was having the hots for your neighbour....are you gonna
>belive it you dimwit......chandravathy ..page 199-200...my arse.
>
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>
Sunil (A proud Dalit)
Beef...@pk.net wrote:
> Regarding the religion referred to as `Hinduism', JAWAHARLAL NEHRU said in
> his "THE DISCOVERY OF INDIA" (Page 37):
>
> "HINDUISM as a faith is vague, amorphous, many sided, all things to all
> men. It is hardly possible to
> define it, or indeed to say definitely whether it is a religion or not,
>:|is Ramayana only as important as a diary ?
>:|you do not value your holy book much do you?
LOL,
Ramayana is not a holy book, technically speaking Hindus don't have a
Holy book.
Chirag Patnaik
--
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Y2K Pagan wrote:
> On 04 Aug 2000 10:16:19 EDT, Beef...@pk.net thought that we should
> read this:
>
> >:|is Ramayana only as important as a diary ?
> >:|you do not value your holy book much do you?
>
> LOL,
>
> Ramayana is not a holy book, technically speaking Hindus don't have a
> Holy book.
>
> Chirag Patnaik
Ramayana is NOT a holy book
Hinduism is NOT a holy religions ...........
You hindus must be very smart following all that
for which you have no respect, but only follow because
you were born in it. YOU GUYS ARE A LAUGH.
kool fire wrote:
> oh yeah if i agree diary is important for me
so do you say that Ramayana is NOT a holy book for you?
How about Gita, Vedas Puranas?
> are you going to
> accept...what is written in the diary abot your wife...go get a
> life...you ape first understand your religion and stop being a
> smartass butt...@pk.net.
>
when all fails , hindus will be hindus....start talking dirty
by reading from Ramayana.
kool fire wrote:
> you wimp giving you a comp was a mistake
------ you flatter yourself. A compliments from you
will be worth anything? NOTTTTTTTTTTTTT .
> in the first
> place...now you go and make computer projections of every ones
> tweeter based on ones anatomical projetions..you will end up in
> +1 -1" catogery.needless to say that if your computations give
> the benifit of doubt and assign you with a 100" lulli it would
> still be a non-event...
see you started reading from Ramayans again. Sex.
perversion................ yada yada yada
> you could also give research papers to mr
> khan..he could launch gandu ghauri 2.5 on your house...
Ghauri is called Gandu because its gonna go up yours .............
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> never forget that.
Thoku 123 wrote:
> In ancient hindu book of Mahabharata, Mahaveer King Ravana of Shri
> Lanka is described to be 12, feet tall and possessed with extraordinary
> physical attributes such as six heads and four arms denoting his
> strength.Based on his anatomical configurations my research studies
> have computed (computer models) that his lingum would be
> at least 16" long, +,-, 1".Hence Ramas wife Sitas psychological
> profile after seaparation from king Ravana is justified especially when
> Rama's lingum was about 4" only.It was the remebrance and the sense of
> deprivation of the remaining 12 inches that made Sitas' subsequent
> living with rama miserable.And in those days there was premium on the
> matters pertaining to sex, sex organs, especially the dimensions of the
> male lingum, which was revered as holy as a god, were talk of the day
> among females of brahimini dharma and nobility.Poor sita devi!
> Thoku 123
>
WOW ! sir thanx for your explanations and calculations.
No wonder sita was miserable after years of "fun" life in Jungle.
Sunil wrote:
> amazingly true. Nehru was educated in England with a silverspoon in his mouth.
> He didn't give a damn to any religion. And that's very fine. Politics shouldn't
> be mixed with religion.
>
> Sunil (A proud Dalit)
>
Thanks Sunil Sahib ! Interesting signatures , (ie A proud Dalit), Brahmans must
be pretty mad at you for being Proud.If you do not mind answering, seems like you
do
not follow the given line by the Brahmans and speak and live your own mind.
In article <12b18e14...@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com>,
kool fire <rohit_mano...@usa.net.invalid> wrote:
> you wimp giving you a comp was a mistake in the first
> place...now you go and make computer projections of every ones
> tweeter based on ones anatomical projetions..you will end up in
> +1 -1" catogery.needless to say that if your computations give
> the benifit of doubt and assign you with a 100" lulli it would
> still be a non-event...you could also give research papers to mr
> khan..he could launch gandu ghauri 2.5 on your house...
>
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>:|No wonder Hindus hate Nehru.
>:|
LOL,
Nehru was an idiot, who was more concerned with moral the high ground
than the realities of life. China, Pakisatn, loss of security council
seat. I fail to see how he could see himself looking after the
interests of India.
>:|Beef...@pk.net wrote:
>:|
>:|> Regarding the religion referred to as `Hinduism', JAWAHARLAL NEHRU said in
>:|> his "THE DISCOVERY OF INDIA" (Page 37):
Chirag Patnaik
Ruthlessadonis wrote:
Being a hindu sir, you could be ruthless to the weak and innocent
like women and dalits.
BUT adonis ? now you are stretching it.
The Indigenous Sudras of South Asia have a precarious position in the
Aryan-Hindu community.
detail the scriptural status of the Negroid-Australoid Sudras
in Vedic-Aryan and Brahmanic law.
. Pouring Molten Metal into Sudra Ears
A Sudra has no right even to listen to the Veda. Recitation of or listening
to this sacred book is exclusively a privilege of the Aryan
Hindus, the descendants of Aryan invaders. There is provision of severe
punishment for a Sudra, in case he dares to enjoy this
privilege.
Gautama Dharma Sutra 12.4
" Now if a Sudra listens intentionally to (a recitation of) the Veda, his
ears
shall be filled with (molten) tin or lac. "
It is to be noted that it is molten tin and not hot water or liquid
tar which is prescribed. Molten tin has a much higher melting point,
thereby causing more pain to the Sudra upon whom the inhuman punishment
was inflicted.
Thoku 123 wrote in message <8mfi9d$hgh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
Y2K Pagan wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:44:23 -0700, Mirza Ghalib thought that we
> should read this:
>
> >:|No wonder Hindus hate Nehru.
> >:|
>
> LOL,
>
> Nehru was an idiot, who was more concerned with moral the high ground
> than the realities of life. China, Pakisatn, loss of security council
> seat. I fail to see how he could see himself looking after the
> interests of India.
If you mention any of the hindu leaders, hindus on the net start calling
them names. Nehru is an idiot, Gandhi is an idiot, Vaj is an idiot, advani is
an idiot, Boy George is an idiot , Ram as an idiot, Ravana was an idiot,
Krishna was an idiot.................. ...............
.........................
If you mention any thing from their holy books, then they say those books are not
holy for them.
Some one just today called Ramayana just a diary, Gita is no good, Vedas are no
good, Puranas are
written by uneducated hidus so no good etc etc.
If hindus are so ashmed of all the above then .......................... ?
Should I really pose the question?
\"nimi\" wrote:
> Boy beaten to death for plucking flower in UP
> >
In India anything is possible, there is
somthing in the air.
Every year, thousands of devotees trek or ride ponies to converge
upon
the sacred cave to pay obeisance. Legend has it that Lord Shiva
revealed the secret of creation to his consort Parvati at the
cave-shrine.
Defence minister George Fernandes and Jammu and Kashmir chief
minister Farooq Abdullah on Friday flew to Amarnath primarily to
take
stock of security arrangements and other facilities for the
pilgrims en
route and decided the evolve measures to protect the Shivaling.
The proposals considered include the provision of a glass cover
and
air-conditioning the cave-shrine itself. "These measures will
ensure that
the ice-lingam does not melt with the visit of a large number of
pilgrims,"
Dr Abdullah said.
It was also decided by the two that a permanent structure for
shelter,
along with drinking water and lavatory provisions, would be
constructed
along the 45-km track from Pahalgam, the base camp, and on the
alternate Baltal-Sangam route. Dr Abdullah also suggested that the
duration of the yatra should be increased and that it should
remain open
right from the day the track is through till it is snowbound.
Mr Fernandes discussed the security situation with Army officers,
including Maj. Gen. Nad Karni of Victor Force, and those from the
paramilitary forces as well as senior local administration
officials
responsible for making arrangements for the pilgrimage.
During a visit to the site of the Pahalgam massacre, the defence
minister
came to the definite conclusion that no amount of security
arrangements
could have prevented the incidents, an official handout said.
Later, Mr
Fernandes also visited Mir Bazaar, near the southern township of
Qazi
Gund, where 19 kiln workers from north and central India were shot
dead
by suspected militants on Tuesday night.
The release also says that Mr Fernandes found rumours about the
torture
of people, floated by some elements, to be totally baseless.
Notwithstanding these rumours, he did not find a single person
around
willing to speak or produce evidence of it, it adds. "He checked
up
various sources and found every such rumour baseless," the
statement
read.
I love how so many fundy muslims bring up hindu treatement of women,
and meanwhile in fundy (pseudo)islamic countries, women's genitals are
severely mutilated in the name of "being good muslims".
It's a damn shame that people who claim(falsely) to submit to Allah
feel that he doesn't do a good enough job, and question his judgement
in creating the female anatomy.
I recall a verse in the Quran where Allah says something to the effect
of "If you must compete with the kafirs, compete in
righteosness"...yet all fundies are capable of doing is pointing
fingers elsewhere while they tell Allah he made a mistake by making
women.
That is not submission, therefore, that is not Islam.
>:|If you mention any of the hindu leaders, hindus on the net start calling
>:|them names. Nehru is an idiot, Gandhi is an idiot, Vaj is an idiot, advani is
>:|an idiot, Boy George is an idiot , Ram as an idiot, Ravana was an idiot,
>:|Krishna was an idiot
because we can.
now do you dare to call your Islamic leaders as idiots without the
threat of a fatwa hanging over your heads. The day you dare please
inform us in advance cause we'll arrange for TV cameras, publicity
etc.
>:|
>:|> Boy beaten to death for plucking flower in UP
>:|> >
>:|
>:|In India anything is possible, there is
>:|somthing in the air.
what? no comments about Hindu brutalities? oops that should be...
kool fire wrote:
> beef...@PK.net...do not misinterpret that post of mine saying
> that i called ramayna a diary...i said that in context of your
> mrs.in reply to your earlier post.i do not wish to bring your
> family into this, it is bad enough i posted in haste about her
> with whom i have no quarell,and certainally no right to malign
> for whatever be the reason.
A hindu with conscious and manners? Its a new one, it must be Kaljoog.
And who said I have a Mrs. ?
> but you mr beefeater is a diffrent
> material altogether.you deserve the best banging wit utmost
> precesion.
----- A hindu talking about banging? Huh ......
A man and wife were fighting, in heat of arguments he says to
her "FUCK YOU".
She says to him "if you could fuck, why would we be fighting."
Y2K Pagan wrote:
> On 05 Aug 2000 07:27:59 GMT, Beef...@pk.net thought that we should
> read this:
>
> >:|If you mention any of the hindu leaders, hindus on the net start calling
> >:|them names. Nehru is an idiot, Gandhi is an idiot, Vaj is an idiot, advani is
> >:|an idiot, Boy George is an idiot , Ram as an idiot, Ravana was an idiot,
> >:|Krishna was an idiot
>
> because we can.
>
> now do you dare to call your Islamic leaders as idiots without the
> threat of a fatwa hanging over your heads. The day you dare please
> inform us in advance cause we'll arrange for TV cameras, publicity
> etc.
>
> Chirag Patnaik
> --
----i do not lie. So why should I call some one something they are not?
Mirza Ghalib wrote:
> No wonder Hindus hate Nehru.
>
So thats how it goes, all hindus hate each other. Nehru hated hinduism, hindus
hate nehru,
Brahmans hate Sudras, sudras hate brahmans,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
"Rev. Carroll D. Kraston" wrote:
> On 05 Aug 2000 06:45:17 GMT, Beef...@pk.net wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Ruthlessadonis wrote:
> >
> >Being a hindu sir, you could be ruthless to the weak and innocent
> >like women and dalits.
> >BUT adonis ? now you are stretching it.
> >
>
> I love how so many fundy muslims bring up hindu treatement of women,
> and meanwhile in fundy (pseudo)islamic countries, women's genitals are
> severely mutilated in the name of "being good muslims".
ITS NOT AN ISLAMIC THING. In Pakistan we never even heard about it.
Its an African tribal thing and some of them happen to be Muslims.
On the other hand SATI is part of hindu religion. A MUSLIM KING SAVED YOUR
WOMEN FROM
YOPU AND YOUR CRUELTY.
>
> It's a damn shame that people who claim(falsely) to submit to Allah
> feel that he doesn't do a good enough job, and question his judgement
> in creating the female anatomy.
> I recall a verse in the Quran where Allah says something to the effect
> of "If you must compete with the kafirs, compete in
> righteosness"...yet all fundies are capable of doing is pointing
> fingers elsewhere while they tell Allah he made a mistake by making
> women.
> That is not submission, therefore, that is not Islam.
There is good and bad evey where. A bad Muslim does not make Islam bad.
Islamic laws and rules are natural and always correct.
I agree with you that islam is a gutter religion and its founder
Mohammed was a low life son of a bitch who was not only a highway
robber and child molester but also a camel fucker too.
Dave
kool fire wrote:
> what happened to you dandy its only commonsense that i do not
> involve people unconcerned....
> what you dont have mrs!!.
--------- what is there so hard to understand? May be I am not married.
You must be an Indian IT import.
> hmmm now
> you tell me i thought you were straight.
----- "It " is straight as arrow
> no wonder you are such a
> queer...
I am only a queer when I wanna make a Brahman pretty boy scream ..if you
know what I mean.
> when i said banging you dont have block your backside.i
> am not meaning it from a queer,s point of view.
>
I knew that I am not worried .............. most hindus cannot get it
up.
that is why every hindu nari carries a clay dildo in her sari...
Brahmans have made it part of dharma. smart people.
Y2K Pagan wrote:
> On 04 Aug 2000 14:18:28 EDT, Beef...@pk.net thought that we should
> read this:
> >:|
> >:|Ramayana is NOT a holy book
>
> It isn't
>
> >:|Hinduism is NOT a holy religions ...........
>
> That may be your opinion, my dear Beef eater, but the beauty of it is
> I can eat Beef without some screaming fatwa, can you eat pork and be
> sure that someone doesn't scream fatwa. I can say Hinduism sucks and
> get away with it. can you say Islam sucks and get away with it...
> alive I might add.
>
> >:|You hindus must be very smart following all that
> >:|for which you have no respect, but only follow because
> >:|you were born in it.
>
> LOL. Considering what you follow, we are very smart indeed. LOL
>
> >:| YOU GUYS ARE A LAUGH.
>
> You on the other hand cannot even do that. you cannot listen to music,
> i wonder if TV were invented back then, then you wouldn't have even be
> allowed to watch TV.
>
> Chirag Patnaik
------ I believe in Islam, so I follow what it asks me to follow.ITS MY CHOICE.
YOU CALL YOUR SELF HINDU AND THEN YOU ARE PROUD TO NOT FOLLOW IT?
does not say much about you or your dharma.
Beef...@pk.net wrote:
Kukuvavathy, sister-in-law of Rama, said to him - "Oh Elder! How you
love Sita more than you love yourself! Come with mewhen they cannot defend their dharma,
and see what really is in your lovely wife's heart. Still she could not
forget that fellow Ravan. Drawing a picture of Ravan
on a hand-fan and pressing it closely to her bosom. She is lying on your
bed with eyes closed thinking on and rejoicing at
Ravan's glories. Rama sighed and went out to Sita's house. There she was
found sleeping pressing to her breast the
hand-fan on which Ravan's picture was drawn." (This is found in pages
199, 200 of the Bengali Ramayana written by Mrs.
Chandravathi).
fantasized
> hehehe
>
>
>I am only a queer when I wanna make a Brahman pretty boy scream ..if you
>know what I mean.
And it's very courageous of you to come out of the closet, as there
are many children here who are homophobic.
>>
>> I love how so many fundy muslims bring up hindu treatement of women,
>> and meanwhile in fundy (pseudo)islamic countries, women's genitals are
>> severely mutilated in the name of "being good muslims".
>
>ITS NOT AN ISLAMIC THING. In Pakistan we never even heard about it.
>Its an African tribal thing and some of them happen to be Muslims.
>On the other hand SATI is part of hindu religion. A MUSLIM KING SAVED YOUR
>WOMEN FROM
>YOPU AND YOUR CRUELTY.
Sati isn't a Hindu thing either. It's an unfortunate case of mistaking
a myth for reality.People with no grasp on reality are the only ones
who have done it, that and women that were too codependent on their
husbands and felt they had to do it.
How many Pakistani women have degrees? How many of them can choose
their own career? How many can speak freely?
I was just reading the Quran last night, and I saw a part where the
prophet says something to the effect that women should not be
silenced, and their speech should not be soft, what happens in
Pakistan when a woman charges her husband with rape?
>
>>
>> It's a damn shame that people who claim(falsely) to submit to Allah
>> feel that he doesn't do a good enough job, and question his judgement
>> in creating the female anatomy.
>> I recall a verse in the Quran where Allah says something to the effect
>> of "If you must compete with the kafirs, compete in
>> righteosness"...yet all fundies are capable of doing is pointing
>> fingers elsewhere while they tell Allah he made a mistake by making
>> women.
>> That is not submission, therefore, that is not Islam.
>
>There is good and bad evey where. A bad Muslim does not make Islam bad.
>Islamic laws and rules are natural and always correct.
>
I wouldn't say "always correct", but then my knowledge of the laws
that Muhhammad set up himself, vs. things people added after his death
is admitedly lacking.
But I agree, there is good and bad everywhere: Islam, Hinduism,
Christianity, everywhere.
Man is imperfect, and no matter what religion God inspires a man to
create, a man is not God, and man screws up.
A bad Hindu/Christian/Jew/Muslim does not make the entire religion
bad.
Distressed by perception of the appaling inadequacy- both length wise
and premature ejaculation wise- suspicious rama let loose havock on
sita after her return from holidays at mahaveer king ravans' summer
palace just beyond kanayakumari, in shri lanka.Ancient mahabharata has
it that sita also got fed up with ramas attitude which eventually so
enraged rama that he forced her to walk over burning charcoals to prove
that she had not fallen for king ravans' outstanding sexual
powers.After that the two never reconciled and it is mentioned that
hiatus caused in sita's sex life by inadequacy of rama which was re-
enforced in sita's mind by fond recollections of sexual competency of
mahaveer kung ravan led permanent scar in mind of sita and hence
separation.This is well documented and is not concocted.
Thoku 123
In article <1659e74a...@usw-ex0105-038.remarq.com>,
kool fire <rohit_mano...@usa.net.invalid> wrote:
> thoti 123...you petty oaf..you hardly know what you are
> babbeling.you expect a logical post..hmpf.now why would i do
> that considering i am logical or not about lingam.by the way how
> do you get along socially.do your neighbours get along well with
> you or do they call up the zoo keeper to take you there.when you
> walk on the road do you find 3 or 4 guys with a big net behind
> you.when you go for a wedding do you find it strange that 4
> rows before and after are empty.when lunch is served do you find
> it appaling that while every body is sitting on a table, they
> hang a sheaf of bannas on the tree for you.do children act like
> monkeys when they see you or pelt stones at you...man ya have a
> bad problem on hand...please consult...somebody,someone must
> take that risk..
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
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>
hi beef eater
> I agree with you that hinduism is a gutter religion and its founder
> rama was a low life son of a bitch who was not only a highway
> robber and child molester but also a cow fucker too.
>
> Thoku 123
I agree with you that islam is a gutter religion and its founder
Mohammed was a low life son of a bitch who was not only a highway
robber and child molester but also a camel fucker too.
Dave
>
> I agree with you that hinduism is a gutter religion and its founder
> rama was a low life son of a bitch who was not only a highway
> robber and child molester but also a cow fucker too.
>
> Thoku 123
>
I agree with you that islam is a gutter religion and its founder
Mohammed was a low life son of a bitch who was not only a highway
robber and child molester but also a camel fucker too.
Dave
Beef...@pk.net wrote:
>
> So thats how it goes, all hindus hate each other. Nehru hated hinduism, hindus
> hate nehru,
> Brahmans hate Sudras, sudras hate brahmans,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
>
> >
> >
Mirza Ghalib wrote:
> Nehru was not a Hindu. He was a declared
> atheist.
>
--------- Oh ! so he was much smarter than I originally though.
"Thoku 123" <thok...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8mnkma$v6c$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
>
>
> hehe davey the doggy dog
> I agree with you that hinduism is a gutter religion and its founder
> krishina was a low life son of a bitch who was not only a highway
> robber and child molester but also a cow fucker too.
> heh heh heh heh
Anyone who does not believe in the fucking Allah is smart. Anyone who
does not believe in any fucking god is smarter. You are quite right.
Dave
>
> >
> > Beef...@pk.net wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > So thats how it goes, all hindus hate each other. Nehru hated
hinduism, hindus
> > > hate nehru,
> > > Brahmans hate Sudras, sudras hate brahmans,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
hi davey doggy boy
> I agree with you that hinduism is a gutter religion and its founder
> rama was a low life son of a bitch who was not only a highway
> robber and child molester but also a cow fucker too.
>
> Thoku 123
<Beef...@PK.net> wrote in message news:398DF539...@PK.net...
>
>
> Mirza Ghalib wrote:
>
> > Nehru was not a Hindu. He was a declared
> > atheist.
> >
>
> --------- Oh ! so he was much smarter than I originally though.
>
> >
=============
I agree with you that islam is a gutter religion and its founder
Mohammed was a low life son of a bitch who was not only a highway
robber and child molester but also a camel fucker too.
Dave
In article <398C4463...@pk.net>,
Beef...@pk.net wrote:
>
>
> Y2K Pagan wrote:
>
> > On 04 Aug 2000 14:18:28 EDT, Beef...@pk.net thought that we should
> > read this:
> > >:|
> > >:|Ramayana is NOT a holy book
> >
> > It isn't
> >
> > >:|Hinduism is NOT a holy religions ...........
> >
> > That may be your opinion, my dear Beef eater, but the beauty of it
is
> > I can eat Beef without some screaming fatwa, can you eat pork and be
> > sure that someone doesn't scream fatwa. I can say Hinduism sucks and
> > get away with it. can you say Islam sucks and get away with it...
> > alive I might add.
> >
> > >:|You hindus must be very smart following all that
> > >:|for which you have no respect, but only follow because
> > >:|you were born in it.
> >
> > LOL. Considering what you follow, we are very smart indeed. LOL
> >
> > >:| YOU GUYS ARE A LAUGH.
> >
> > You on the other hand cannot even do that. you cannot listen to
music,
> > i wonder if TV were invented back then, then you wouldn't have even
be
> > allowed to watch TV.
> >
> > Chirag Patnaik
>
> ------ I believe in Islam, so I follow what it asks me to follow.ITS
MY CHOICE.
> YOU CALL YOUR SELF HINDU AND THEN YOU ARE PROUD TO NOT FOLLOW IT?
> does not say much about you or your dharma.
hehe davey the doggy dog
>
> I agree with you that hinduism is a gutter religion and its founder
> rama was a low life son of a bitch who was not only a highway
> robber and child molester but also a cow fucker too.
>
> Thoku 123
>
=========
> heh heh davey the doggy dog,
==============
davey the doggy dog
Y2K Pagan wrote:
ARH removedOn Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:33:23 GMT, olympict...@my-deja.com thought
that we should read this:
>:|Surely, we can accept religious differences (like sexual, racial or
>:|cultural differences) and forward some mutual respect? Can't we?
-------whatever but you still did not answer my question which I am posting....again at the bottom.definitely, no doubt about that, but I'm not talking to a Muslim here,
I'm talking to a Paki.Chirag Patnaik
Y2K Pagan wrote:
> On 04 Aug 2000 14:18:28 EDT, Beef...@pk.net thought that we should
> read this:
> >:|
> >:|Ramayana is NOT a holy book
>
> It isn't
>
> >:|Hinduism is NOT a holy religions ...........
>
> That may be your opinion, my dear Beef eater, but the beauty of it
is
> I can eat Beef without some screaming fatwa, can you eat pork
and be
> sure that someone doesn't scream fatwa. I can say Hinduism sucks
and
> get away with it. can you say Islam sucks and get away with it...
> alive I might add.
>
>
kool fire wrote:
> its sita,s fantasy...ram probably was a progressive man
YUP __ HERE IS ANOTHER PROGRESSIVE RAM & SHAYAM.
Pune
Man loses ear due to blind
faith
NASIK: Blind faith proved costly for a
tribal who
lost one of his ears to a 'mantrik' who
cut off his
ear under the pretext of treatment on
Thursday at
a village in the district.
Police said Bandu Dhomse went to mantrik
Dilip
Sonawane's residence at village Mulher
with a
health problem.
Dhomse believed that he was affected by
some
evil power and only 'Baba Sonawane'
could save
him from its clutches.
Sonawane chanted some mantras and then
suddenly cut off Dhomse's ear with his
teeth. A
profously bleeding Dhomse was
immediately
removed to a local hospital, police
said.
Sonawane was arrested after some social
workers of the village informed the
police about
the bizarre incident.
The mantrik was remanded to police
custody for
14 days by a local court, police added.
(PTI)
I agree with you that islam is a gutter religion and its founder
Mohammed was a low life son of a bitch who was not only a highway
robber and child molester but also a camel fucker too.
Dave
This Kukuvavathy was a great devotee of Devi Benazir Mahaslutty Bhuttomati.
Before marrying Rama's brother, she had chased Rama around all over Bharat
Varsha trying to recreate the Mahalinga experience of her beloved Devi
Mahaslutty Bhuttomati as told in the Mahaharami Napakistani Purana.
Once she realized that Rama was devoted to Sita, she prayed to her favorite
Devi Mahaslutty Bhuttomati. The Devi did manifest herself to her, but she
was highly annoyed. She said that she had returned from the future where
her "abbu jan" Qasim was giving her the daily dose of spanking which
reminded her of her childhood. But now that Kukuvathy had invoked her, she
had no choice but to appear. And she said, "Hey devotee of mine, ask for a
boon fast, as I have to return to being spanked by "abbu jan!" Thus
Kukuvathy quickly related her problem to her and Benazir Mahaslutty
suggested the plan for planting an image of Ravan in Sita's hand while she
slept. After that the Devi did vanish to enjoy her pleasurable spanking by
another great devotee.
On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:33:23 GMT, olympict...@my-deja.com thought
that we should read this:
>:|Surely, we can accept religious differences (like sexual, racial or
>:|cultural differences) and forward some mutual respect? Can't we?
definitely, no doubt about that, but I'm not talking to a Muslim here,
I'm talking to a Paki.
Chirag Patnaik
--
Never mind my nick name, the one above is my real name.
http://www.india.4mg.com/, The very best of Indian Links
____________________________________________________________________________
Crib, Because it is your right to do so.
hehe davey the doggy dog
I agree with you that hinduism is a gutter religion and its founder
krishina was a low life son of a bitch who was not only a highway
robber and child molester but also a cow fucker too.
heh heh heh heh
I agree with you that islam is a gutter religion and its founder
Mohammed was a low life son of a bitch who was not only a highway
robber and child molester but also a camel fucker too.
Dave
Why should I give a damn about how muslims think when I say their
fucking god Allah is a insecure violent god and the son of a bitch
Mohamemd was a low life son of a bitch and a mad lunatic. Thats the
truth.
Piss man. Take it easy
Dave
>
> "Thoku 123" <thok...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8mnkma$v6c$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > hehe davey the doggy dog
Every hindu when fails to defend dharma and in their heart of hearts they
know that they are wrong & only reason they follow the pack of perversion
because they were born
into it and are too dumb and coward to do something about it , they become
vulgar and
start reading from holy ramayana.
Dave wrote:
> In article <8mnkjt$v5r$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Thoku 123 <thok...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > hehe davey the doggy dog
> > I agree with you that hinduism is a gutter religion and its founder
> > krishina was a low life son of a bitch who was not only a highway
> > robber and child molester but also a cow fucker too.
> > heh heh heh heh
> > hehehe
> > Allah was the pet camel of Mohammed and Mohammed fucked
> > Allah everyday. Mohammed was truely a camel fucker.
> >
> > AllahJihad (Jahangir)
>
> I agree with you that islam is a gutter religion
Every hindu when fails to defend dharma and in their heart of hearts they