Did Quaid-e-Azam Eat Pork?

[ellial...@wharton.upenn.edu]

Did he?

What if he did?

Christina Lamb in her "Waiting for Allah" says that he did. But this
book hardly has the impression of being very accurate. Any other
references?

-Masood [Pakistan Studies 101]

[Aftab Ahmad]

So the angels don't eat pork! Right? Do they eat mutton?

Just Kidding

[Faraz A. Rizvi]

In article <yhB...@engin.umich.edu> chau...@ob.engin.umich.edu (Iblees> writes:
>
>In article <1992Jun19...@wharton.upenn.edu>, ellial...@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>> Did he?
>>
>
> Yes he did. M.C.Chagla who was Jinnah's legal apprentice and ,later, the first
> Indian Muslim to be appointed chief justice of Bombay's high court remembers in
> his "Roses in December, An Autobiobraphy" an afternoon of 1923(?) when he and
> Jinnah were going out to lunch:
> " Mrs. Jinnah drove up to the Town Hall in Jinnah's luxurious limousine,
> stepped out with a tiffin basket, and coming up the steps ... said..."J"!-that
> is how she called him-"guess what I have brought for you for lunch." Jinnah
> answered :"How should I know?" and she replied:"I have brought you some lovely
> ham sandwiches."Jinnah,startled exclaimed:"My God! What have you done? Do you
> want me to lose my election? Do you realise I am standing from a Muslim
> separate electorate seat, and if my voters were to learn that I am going to eat
> ham sandwiches for lunch, do you think I have a ghost of a chance of being
> elected?" At this Mrs. Jinnah's face fell. She quickly took back the tiffin
> basket, ran down the steps, and drove away...We decided to go to Cornagalia's,
> which was a very wellknown resturaunt in Bombay...Jinnah ordered two cups of
> coffee, a plate of pastry and a plate of pork sausages....As we were drinking
> our coffee and enjoying our sausages, in came an old bearded Muslim with a
> young boy of about ten years of age, probably his grandson. They came and sat
> down near Jinnah. It was obvious that they had been directed from the Town
> Hall...I saw the boy's hand reaching out slowly but irresistibly towards the
> plate of pork suasages. After some hesitation, he picked up one, put it in his
> mouth, munched it and seemed to enjoy it tremendously. I watched this
> uneasily...After some time they left and Jinnah turned to me, and said
> angrily:"Chagla you should be ashamed of yourself." I said:"What did I
> do?"Jinnah asked:"How dare you allow the young boy to eat pork sausages?"I
> said:"Look, Jinnah,I had to use all my mental faculties at top speed to come to
> a quick decision. The question was: should I let Jinnah lose his election or
> should I let the boy go to eternal damnation? And I decided in your favour." "
>
> Note: At that time Jinnah was running a campaign for the Legislative Assembly
> Muslim seat from Bombay ( the elections were in Nov. 1923)
>
> I am quoting this from Stanley Wolpert's "Jinnah of Pakistan". It is
> considered among the best biographies of Jinnah.
> In her book "Breaking the Curfew" Emma Duncan recounts her interview with
> "Amir-ul-Momineen" Gen Zia-ul-Haq. At the end of the interview
> "Amir-ul-Momineen" gave the interviewer some books related to Pakistan, which
> included this book "Jinnah of Pakistan".

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> According to Emma Duncan this book was banned in Pakistan at that time ( I do
> not know if that was or still is the case) , because of the above mentioned
> anecdote. Emma Duncan asked "Amir-ul-Momineen" that the book was banned in
> Pakistan, to which he replied that it was still available with him.
>
>> What if he did?
>>
> A very good question!
>
> This means that in order to make Pakistanis follow Jinnah's relish for pork,
> eating pork should be a precondition for getting a Pakistani passport :-) :-)
>
> But seriosly, it just shows that like every other human beings Jinnah was not
> an angel as he may be made out to be in our popular national history.

>
>
>> Christina Lamb in her "Waiting for Allah" says that he did. But this
>> book hardly has the impression of being very accurate. Any other
>> references?
>>
>> -Masood [Pakistan Studies 101]
>>
>
>

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[ellial...@wharton.upenn.edu]

>From: fa...@Ra.MsState.Edu (Faraz A. Rizvi)

>
>Hi...I see you believe everything you read...

Hi Faraz, How are you?

It is *not* that Nauman or I believe everything we read. For me, in a
question like this (i.e. Did Jinnah eat pork?) I try to absolve myself
of what *I* would like Jinnah to eat, look at the references available
and make a judgement *if at all* a judgement can be made.

Nauman has given references that support the assertion that Jinnah ate pork.
SCP has a lot of knowledgable readers. Can't any of them give *even one*
reference which shows that he did *not* eat pork?

-Masood

[Abdur Khan]

why do muslims have soo much aversion to pork and not to alcohol ????

sahibzada rafay khan[women and wine and channel 50]

[Hamzaad]

In article <1992Jun22.1...@leland.Stanford.EDU> ar...@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
>why do muslims have soo much aversion to pork and not to alcohol ????
>
>sahibzada rafay khan[women and wine and channel 50]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Buree Baat Hai Sahibzaday ....

Achhay Bacchay Aisi BataiN NahiN Kartay ....

[Shahid Masud]

Its an open challenge.

I invite all of the respected readers (those favouring or opposing
Jinnah in this matter) to eat pork and lets see who is successful in
chalking out another country from India (21 + 1). I don't think those
writing in this matter have the guts (a sober word) to liberate even
Kashmir from Hindu clutches.

Millat ka pasiban hey Mohammad Ali Jinnah

Regards,
Shahid Masud
UNSW, Australia

[Sayed Faraz A. Razavi]

In article <1992Jun22...@wharton.upenn.edu> ellial...@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>>From: fa...@Ra.MsState.Edu (Faraz A. Rizvi)
>>
>>Hi...I see you believe everything you read...
>
>Hi Faraz, How are you?

Assalamalaikum Masood,

First of all why did you say hi to me?? Are you not a Muslim...because I wanted a Salam. Secondly do you actually believe he ate pork. I mean can you get any
actual evidence that he ate pork such as pictures?? I can say that that you are
kafir and tell everyone on the net...and if they believe me then there is no onewho will say that you aren't Kafir..and thirdly, if you don't see anyone don't
say anything about it...

>It is *not* that Nauman or I believe everything we read. For me, in a
>question like this (i.e. Did Jinnah eat pork?) I try to absolve myself
>of what *I* would like Jinnah to eat, look at the references available
>and make a judgement *if at all* a judgement can be made.
>
>Nauman has given references that support the assertion that Jinnah ate pork.
>SCP has a lot of knowledgable readers. Can't any of them give *even one*
>reference which shows that he did *not* eat pork?
>
>-Masood

[Neeran Mohan Karnik]

In <1992Jun23.0...@ra.msstate.edu> fa...@Ra.MsState.Edu (Sayed Faraz A. Razavi) writes:

>In article <1992Jun22...@wharton.upenn.edu> ellial...@wharton.upenn.edu writes:

>Secondly do you actually believe he ate pork. I mean can you get any
>actual evidence that he ate pork such as pictures??

Does Nawaz Sharif ever take a bath ?? Can you get any actual evidence
that he took a bath, such as pictures ?? :->

Seriously though, why is it so important whether Jinnah ate pork or not?
I know, I know, no devout Muslim will eat pork. But, it is well known that
Jinnah was a highly Westernized gentleman. Why not accept that he had his faults
just as he had his virtues ? Noone is perfect, and although it is nice to
project a perfect image for a national leader like Jinnah or Mahatma Gandhi, one
must realize that they too were human beings with the associated fallibility
and imperfections.

>Sayed Faraz Ahmad Razavi(Rizvi)
>fa...@ra.msstate.edu
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[chohan...@gmail.com]

As we were drinking our coffee and enjoying our sausages, in came an old, bearded Muslim with a young boy of about ten years of age, probably his grandson. They came and sat down near Jinnah. It was obvious that they had been directed from Town Hall... I then saw the boy's hand reaching out slowly but irresistibly towards the plate of pork sausages. After some hesitation, he picked up one, put it in his mouth, munched it and seemed to enjoy it tremendously. I watched this uneasily... After some time they left and Jinnah turned to me, and said angrily: "Chagla, you should be ashamed of yourself." I said: " What did I do?" Jinnah asked: "How dare you allow the young boy to eat pork sausages?" I said: "Look, Jinnah, I had to use all my mental faculties to come to a quick decision. The question was: should I let Jinnah lose his election or should I let the boy go to eternal damnation? I chose in your favour."

- M.C. Chagla, Roses in December, as quoted in Jinnah of Pakistan by Stanley Wolpert

[diana...@gmail.com]

Is Pakistan a muslim country, who eats forbidden pork and liquor???

[diana...@gmail.com]

Pakistan.... a pork country?

[Nusrat Rizvi]

Although most People Party followers would have difficulty believing this but our learned friend Prof. Stanley Wolpert has stated in his book that despite family claims of higher lineage Zulfi's mom was a dancing girl
in the darbar of a Hindu raja in Gugrat.
The good professor was never invited to Pak Consulate parties as long as Bhuttos were in power.
High price for speaking the truth.

[boxe...@gmail.com]

well said! he was a british spy who ate pork, drank wine and boned hookers at oxbridge