Jinnah died from AIDS
Salman Mufti
I don't know the real identity of the person who posted the
originsubject, however what I do know is that this is a sick
person.
Very sick indeed.
This hate literature.
It has no place in SCP or anywhere else.
Jinnah is loved and respected by all Pakistanis. He brought us all
together and led the creation of our homeland. Our origin. An
attack on him is an attack on us.
I call upon all SCP members to seek this individual and ensure
that he/she is not allowed to post such filth again.
Salman Mufti
--
Syed Ahmed
>
> It is a little known fact that the founder of Pakistan, Modh Ali
>Jinnah was the first person to die from the deadly AIDS virus. The
>official version reads that he died of tuberculosis. This is not entirely
>untrue...................
> The great man once shouted in one of his fits of tantrums, "Let
>Gandhi and Nehru come here and I will show them where it is inserted!"
>His maniacal desire to create a homeland for Muslims stemmed from his
>hatred of Gandhi whom he saw as having forsaken his love. The man
>Mountbatten called a psycopath was in fact a transvestite homo who suffered
>from acute schizopheria and narcassism.
FOR GODS SAKE .... THE MAN IS DEAD !!!!!!!!
Aap ko kai paisay ka sawab huwa yeh keh kay Bhai ???
irfan a. chaudhry
>
> It is a little known fact that the founder of Pakistan, Modh Ali
>Jinnah was the first person to die from the deadly AIDS virus. The
>official version reads that he died of tuberculosis. This is not entirely
>immune system. Jinnah contracted the virus in Britain from a liason with
>a male prostitute. Since proper diagnosis did not exist in those days
>(DNA structure was not even discovered), the doctors could best diagnose
>his ailment as TB was was but a secondary infection.
>
> The great man once shouted in one of his fits of tantrums, "Let
>Gandhi and Nehru come here and I will show them where it is inserted!"
>His maniacal desire to create a homeland for Muslims stemmed from his
>hatred of Gandhi whom he saw as having forsaken his love. The man
>Mountbatten called a psycopath was in fact a transvestite homo who suffered
>from acute schizopheria and narcassism.
Mr. Khan:
What in the hell are you talking about??? Is this the reason you came here? By the way, were you there back in time or are you a victim or something?? It seems to me that you are about to write a second Satanic Verses (not that I care a lot). Get a life Khan and put something useful on the net.
Sincerely,
Irfan A. Chaudhry,
NASA Space Engineering Research Center
Manoj Ghayalod
>Atleast we living in pakistan are happy. anyway it was your decision to stay in
>india and watch for your valuables. Jinnah the great gave you an oppertunity to
>come to pakistan and forget about all the worries you have now living in india.
You are saying that Jinnah the great has given our friend an opportunity
to go to Pakistan, where he won't have to watch for his valuables.
I take it you are inviting him to come and live in Pakistan.
I have some questions for you.
1) Where will you allow him to stay in Pakistan? The Biharee refugees
who are Pakistanis are still waiting to return to Pakistan, but no
Pakistani state wants to accept them. Why do you think he will be treated
differently? Afterall his forefathers decided to stay in India.
The Biharees are forced to stay in Bangladesh, because Pakistan
will not accept them.
2) If our friend is an Ahmadhi Muslim, is he still welcome in Pakistan?
I suppose he is because Jinnah the great did create Pakistan for all
Muslims, only he won't be able to practise his religion.
3) What if our friend is a Shia, do you still promise his safety?
Just recently 9 Shias were killed in Pakistan by a grenade attack.
Also Pakistani Shias have complained on the net that they are not
safe in Pakistan.
4) What if our friend is a Bengali Muslim. Is he still welcome in
Pakistan? If he is, why do Bengali Muslims work illegally in Pakistan?
Why don't they get Pakistani citizenship as soon as they land in Pakistan?
5) Let us say he does get admitted into Pakistan and he is liked by
everyone. Are you sure, he won't have to watch his valuables? Are
there no thieves in Pakistan? Do people keep their houses unlocked?
If this is true, then hats off to Islamic criminal law.
It is my opinion, that either you are very naive or that you don't
expect him to accept your invitation. I don't think he will be
cheerfully accepted into Pakistan. Maybe Jinnah wanted Pakistan
to be a land where the Muslims from the Indian subcontinent would
be accepted happily. This is not true any more.
>
>At last i hope it is your individual approach and you donot represent all the
>muslims living in india.
>
>wyne
>
Manoj
Mudasser Fraz Wyne
|>
|> >Atleast we living in pakistan are happy. anyway it was your decision to stay in
|> >india and watch for your valuables. Jinnah the great gave you an oppertunity to
|> >come to pakistan and forget about all the worries you have now living in india.
|>
|> You are saying that Jinnah the great has given our friend an opportunity
|> to go to Pakistan, where he won't have to watch for his valuables.
STRANGE YOU CALLING HIM A FRIEND. I was talking about 47 partition.
|> 1) Where will you allow him to stay in Pakistan? The Biharee refugees
|> who are Pakistanis are still waiting to return to Pakistan, but no
|> Pakistani state wants to accept them. Why do you think he will be treated
|> differently?
What about your treatment with these people, mind it its your behviour that
forced him to write all this.
|> 2) If our friend is an Ahmadhi Muslim, is he still welcome in Pakistan?
Yes why not lot of ahmadi are living in pakistan in addition to a large
percentage of hindus in sindh.
|> 3) What if our friend is a Shia, do you still promise his safety?
|> Just recently 9 Shias were killed in Pakistan by a grenade attack.
|> Also Pakistani Shias have complained on the net that they are not
|> safe in Pakistan.
You have quoted an example, but shias are more than 45% of our population. I am
impressed that your feelings are heart with, but what about kasmiri muslims ?
|> 4) What if our friend is a Bengali Muslim. Is he still welcome in
|> Pakistan?
everybody is welcome in pakistan talking about probelms they are every where in
the world.
Are you sure, he won't have to watch his valuables? Are
|> there no thieves in Pakistan? Do people keep their houses unlocked?
I never said that, thanks you have the understanding that we in pakistan live in
houses and do not sleep on the footpaths as 30% of the population in Bombay.
|>
I don't think he will be cheerfully accepted into Pakistan.
That is your thinking.
Maybe Jinnah wanted Pakistan
|> to be a land where the Muslims from the Indian subcontinent would
|> be accepted happily. This is not true any more.
|>
you want us to accept all the muslims from india so that you can have whole of
india only for hindus, but do not forget SIKHS, wher should they go ?
Finally how come you are so worried about all this.
|> Manoj
wyne
Manoj Ghayalod
>
>STRANGE YOU CALLING HIM A FRIEND. I was talking about 47 partition.
>
Everyone is my friend. I don't take articles on the net personally.
So you mean now, Indian Muslims are not welcome in Pakistan. They
were only welcome in 1947. Then why did you invite him to Pakistan?
>
>|> 1) Where will you allow him to stay in Pakistan? The Biharee refugees
>|> who are Pakistanis are still waiting to return to Pakistan, but no
>|> Pakistani state wants to accept them. Why do you think he will be treated
>|> differently?
>
>What about your treatment with these people, mind it its your behviour that
>forced him to write all this.
Our behaviour has made him write that Jinnah died of aids? I don't see
how. In India Muslims are treated like other Indians. They may even
have certian advantages. We are not talking about treatment here.
You claimed that Pakistan was a home for the Muslims of the Indian
subcontinent. I showed you that this is not true anymore. I think
you have agreed.
>
>
>|> 2) If our friend is an Ahmadhi Muslim, is he still welcome in Pakistan?
>
>Yes why not lot of ahmadi are living in pakistan in addition to a large
>percentage of hindus in sindh.
Large percentage on Hindus in Sindh? How large is your large?
Ahmadhi Muslims are living in Pakistan as second class citizens.
I am sure our friend would not like to live as a second class citizen,
who can be imprisoned if he reads the Koran in public.
>
>|> 3) What if our friend is a Shia, do you still promise his safety?
>|> Just recently 9 Shias were killed in Pakistan by a grenade attack.
>|> Also Pakistani Shias have complained on the net that they are not
>|> safe in Pakistan.
>
>You have quoted an example, but shias are more than 45% of our population. I am
>impressed that your feelings are heart with, but what about kasmiri muslims ?
I am sorry, I don't think you have your facts right. I have seen a
post which says that Shia Muslims form around 4% of all the Muslims
in the Indian subcontinent. Do you have any source for your claim?
Thank you, I am a real sensitive type of guy. I have compassion
for everyone including Kashmiri Muslims. What about them? Also we digress,
I was just showing you that our friend is not really welcome in Pakistan.
>|> 4) What if our friend is a Bengali Muslim. Is he still welcome in
>|> Pakistan?
>
>everybody is welcome in pakistan talking about probelms they are every where in
>the world.
Is that your opinion or the policy followed by the GOP? If a Bangladeshi
Muslim wants citizenship of Pakistan, will he get it? If this is true,
I wonder why GOP has not accepted Biharees yet. I know that everyone
has problems. That is not the point. The point is our friend will
not be welcomed in Pakistan.
>Are you sure, he won't have to watch his valuables? Are
>|> there no thieves in Pakistan? Do people keep their houses unlocked?
>
>I never said that, thanks you have the understanding that we in pakistan live in
>houses and do not sleep on the footpaths as 30% of the population in Bombay.
I think you don't have your facts right. In Bombay there might be more
than 30% of the population sleeping on footpaths. What does this have
to do with your statement. You said that he has to watch his valuables
in India. Doesn't he have to watch his valuables in Pakistan?
>
>|>
>I don't think he will be cheerfully accepted into Pakistan.
>
>That is your thinking.
My thinking is based on facts which I have supplied above. You have
not denied anything I have said. So my thinking is correct.
>
> Maybe Jinnah wanted Pakistan
>|> to be a land where the Muslims from the Indian subcontinent would
>|> be accepted happily. This is not true any more.
>|>
>
>
>you want us to accept all the muslims from india so that you can have whole of
>india only for hindus, but do not forget SIKHS, wher should they go ?
No. I thought you were stealing Selim from us. I am very proud of Indian
Muslims. I want them to stay in India. I was just pointing out that
Jinnah's dream of Pakistan being the homeland for Indian Muslims is shattered.
We are also happy to take some Pakistani Muslims as Indians if they swear
their loyalty to India. We are happy to have Mohsin Khan, Huma Khan and
Zeba. Also every Bangladeshi Muslim who makes it to India gets Indian
citizenship. Ofcourse you have to realize, we can't take all Bangladeshis
and all Pakistanis.
>
>
>Finally how come you are so worried about all this.
I am not worried about anything. I was just trying to clear up some
misconceptions you have.
>
>
>|> Manoj
>
>
>
>wyne
Manoj
manzoor ashraf xd/gke
Maybe maybe..........
But hold on a second how safe this person would be in your great India?
He will have to put with not one but millions of fanatical Hindus.
He will have to listen to the rhetoric of RSS/VHP/BJP.
He will have to protect his childern(if he has any) and his property from
the SANGH PARIVAR (This group gives training to women to avenge muslims).
He will be not be accepted by the Brahmins as a human being.
His childern probably end up working in the rug mills( You hindus are sad
people). I suppose this is how india is going to achive it's economic miracle.
Most of all where ever he goes in the world he will be parying to one God, but
in India he will have to pray to different gods depending on which side of the bed
he woke up from every morning.
or a different god for Monday and another one for Tuesday.
What if the friday god is gone on a holiday. Who does Hindus pray to then?
India is a no better place. Minority are being treated like shit. India has
a worst record in the humam rights. It does not recognise human as human, a person
must be classified with a tag i.e UNTOUCHABLES (You sad people).
Are there any Untouchables out there on the net lurking!!!
Maybe we can set up a newsgroup for these people!!
Manz/
Mudasser Fraz Wyne
|>
|> Excuse my digging up decades old dirt, but I as a moslem in India
|> have had to live with the consequences of that dirt all my life. I am
|> talking about the partition of British India at the insistence of the
|> Muslim League and Jinnah.
Can you quote the source for all this dirt in your mind if not. You have no right
to play with the emotions of all the pakistanis by spitting the garbage of your
mind or sorrroundings you are living in.
|>
|> The history of the moslems in the sub-continent has not been a
|> happy one.
May be not for you but do not try to generalize things on individual basis.
|> Could some
|> advocates of Pakistan tell me how it has served us Moslems
Atleast we living in pakistan are happy. anyway it was your decision to stay in
india and watch for your valuables. Jinnah the great gave you an oppertunity to
come to pakistan and forget about all the worries you have now living in india.
At last i hope it is your individual approach and you donot represent all the
adil shaikh
>In article <1993Aug...@cs.bham.ac.uk> m...@cs.bham.ac.uk (Mudasser Fraz Wyne) writes:
>>In article <23i9of$5...@nuscc.nus.sg>, eng3...@leonis.nus.sg (Salim Ahmed Khan) writes:
>Is it really true ?
>A. Mughal
>[Standard Disclaimer]
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Mr. Salim Ahmed Khan :
Malcom X said : "You are not supposed to be so blind with patriotism
that you can not face reality, wrong is wrong no
matter who does it or who says it."
If you are an Indian and hate Pakistan then it is obvious.
Qaid-e-Azam was a great leader. So far Muslims from the subcontinent have
not found a great leader like him.
Salute to Qaid-e-Azam.
Oh...Paki netters, some time we have to salute to the leader of our
enemies.
Salute to Mahatma.
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>>>wyne
Our friend Wyne, informed our friend Selim, that he should be grateful
to Jinnah the great because he created a land for him (I took this
to mean Indian Muslims). The only point I made was that maybe Jinnah
created a land for Indian Muslims, but that land does not exist anymore.
Muslims from India are not welcome there anymore. On this everyone
is agreed. Wyne himself said why should Pakistan take all Indian Muslims.
I am not saying Indian Muslims should leave India, we are proud of
Muslim contribution in India. I was only saying that he was misinforming
Indian Muslims. I have had mail from many Pakistani Muslims who have
said the same thing "Why should we take Indian Muslims into Pakistan? We
should only take back Bangladeshi Biharees because they were loyal to
Pakistan." Which BTW Pakistani govt. is not ready to do.
Now let us proceed further.
>
>Maybe maybe..........
>But hold on a second how safe this person would be in your great India?
>He will have to put with not one but millions of fanatical Hindus.
You exaggerate. There are some Hindu fanatics in India, also there
are Muslim fanatics, these are very few in number. Millions of Indians
are secularists. I won't just make claims like you. I will prove it.
In independent India only 1 Mosque was pulled down. The consequence was
that thousands of Hindus were outside Indian parliament, shouting that
"Today we are ashamed of being Hindus". The BJP was removed from power
in 4 states (i.e. 2 times the area of Pakistan), the RSS and the VHP were
banned even though the courts found them not guilty of demolishing the
Mosque. Also there were some Muslims before the Mosque was pulled down,
who wanted to remove the mosque themselves so that Hindus will not be
offended. It is supposed to be built on a temple.
>He will have to listen to the rhetoric of RSS/VHP/BJP.
If some type of rhetoric offends you. You better go home to Pakistan.
In the US also there is a lot of rhetoric against minorities. Have
you heard of David Duke and the KKK? In Cincinnati downtown, the KKK
were allowed by the city to put a KKK cross. We have a black mayor.
>He will have to protect his childern(if he has any) and his property from
>the SANGH PARIVAR (This group gives training to women to avenge muslims).
Any proof of this? Why will they train women? This is just some
poison fed to you by Pakistan. If I were setting up an avenging army,
I would recruit men. Are you saying that Hindu women are stronger than
Muslim men? This is paranoia at its height.
>He will be not be accepted by the Brahmins as a human being.
This really irritates me. Pakistan has poisoned your mind well.
Do you know that we have had Muslim generals and Brahmins enlisted
men. So when the general gives some order to our enlisted friend.
What do you think our friend says? "You are a dog, I won't obey you."
Believe me that is a very dangerous thing to say in the army.
Can you prove this that Brahmins do not accept Muslims as human beings?
I am not a brahmin. On this net we have a lot of brahmins, will you
be satisfied if they accept you as a human being? When you guys start
losing an argument you start making up absurd things.
>His childern probably end up working in the rug mills( You hindus are sad
>people). I suppose this is how india is going to achive it's economic miracle.
We Hindus are sad people? All of us? I am absolutely certian that his
children, Javed Khan's, Adil Shaikh's or Hasan's children will not
work in rug mills (atleast a laborers). I am sure if they ever go back
to India they will be have important positions, because of their education
and will be able to put their children in good schools. I didn't understand
you properly here. Do you mean we Hindus kidnap Muslim children in India,
and make them work in rug mills? Why rug mills?
>
Most of all where ever he goes in the world he will be parying to one God, but
>in India he will have to pray to different gods depending on which side of the bed
>he woke up from every morning.
>or a different god for Monday and another one for Tuesday.
>What if the friday god is gone on a holiday. Who does Hindus pray to then?
This is a cheap flame. People keep asking me why I write against Islam.
I write against Islam only as a response to flames like this. This time
I will not respond because I don't want to hurt the feelings of Muslims.
But next time, I might not be in such a good mood.
>
>India is a no better place. Minority are being treated like shit. India has
>a worst record in the humam rights. It does not recognise human as human, a person
>must be classified with a tag i.e UNTOUCHABLES (You sad people).
Don't believe anything I have said about India. You have not been there.
Look around you. On the net a lot of Indian Muslims defend India.
A lot of Christians defend India. A lot of Sikhs defend India.
No non-Muslim ever defends Pakistan. Don't be offended, no non-Muslims
defend any Islamic state. No Shia, defends Pakistan, they say that
they are being killed there. No Ahmadhi Muslim defends Pakistan.
India has bad human rights record in some areas, regretable I won't
try to defend this. Muslims have Islamic laws in India. Their trip
to Mecca is subsidized by the govt. All minority religions in India
have their religious organizations tax-exempt. Again you make up
absurd claims. ' Untouchables' is an interesting movie, what does this
have to do with India, Ha, Ha. Nobody tags anyone in India. By
untouchable if you mean the previous backward castes in India.
They have 35%-75% reservation in all educational and employment
institutions. They are the most power political group in India.
Almost every Indian state has had a person who is from the previous
backward caste as CM. And yes they are Untouchable. Nobody better
lay a finger on Laloo Prasad Yadav. Kalyan Singh Yadav had put our
friend Advani, the president of BJP in jail. Again this is poison
fed to you by Pakistan govt.
>
>Are there any Untouchables out there on the net lurking!!!
>Maybe we can set up a newsgroup for these people!!
>
Yes we can name it Untouchables.fans. This show is shown on Fox.
Ofcourse I won't vote for it, I hate that show.
>Manz/
>
>
Manoj
adil shaikh
>>Atleast we living in pakistan are happy. anyway it was your decision to stay in
>>india and watch for your valuables. Jinnah the great gave you an oppertunity to
>>come to pakistan and forget about all the worries you have now living in india.
>You are saying that Jinnah the great has given our friend an opportunity
>to go to Pakistan, where he won't have to watch for his valuables.
Jinnah was a different person from his co-worker in ML.
He was a controvercial figure with determine to create a seperate homeland.
He was a "Secular Person" in Congress but he later realised that the
theory (The theory of Mahatma) would prove wrong practically if the leaders
like Mahatma will not born in the nation.
The reason for his refusal to PMship of United India is proved true.
In India, do you think practically any Muslim can become PM?
Do you think that M.J. Akbar/ Ghulam Nabi Azad can become a PM form Cong(I)?
Do you think that JD would give its leadership to Arif Mohmaad Khan?
Do you think that Sikandar Bakhat will be the PM from BJP?
Jinnah's unpractical Pakistan (east and west pakistan) could not last
longer because Pakistan could not produce a leader like him.
Where as in India, the ideology of Gandhi remained but the subject of India
can not accept a Muslim PM?
Of course they can a accept a toy, President.
>I take it you are inviting him to come and live in Pakistan.
>I have some questions for you.
>1) Where will you allow him to stay in Pakistan? The Biharee refugees
>who are Pakistanis are still waiting to return to Pakistan, but no
>Pakistani state wants to accept them. Why do you think he will be treated
>differently? Afterall his forefathers decided to stay in India.
>The Biharees are forced to stay in Bangladesh, because Pakistan
>will not accept them.
>2) If our friend is an Ahmadhi Muslim, is he still welcome in Pakistan?
>I suppose he is because Jinnah the great did create Pakistan for all
>Muslims, only he won't be able to practise his religion.
>3) What if our friend is a Shia, do you still promise his safety?
>Just recently 9 Shias were killed in Pakistan by a grenade attack.
>Also Pakistani Shias have complained on the net that they are not
>safe in Pakistan.
>4) What if our friend is a Bengali Muslim. Is he still welcome in
>Pakistan? If he is, why do Bengali Muslims work illegally in Pakistan?
>Why don't they get Pakistani citizenship as soon as they land in Pakistan?
>5) Let us say he does get admitted into Pakistan and he is liked by
>everyone. Are you sure, he won't have to watch his valuables? Are
>there no thieves in Pakistan? Do people keep their houses unlocked?
>If this is true, then hats off to Islamic criminal law.
None of the above five points uphold with Jinnah's vision of PAkistan.
Pakistan's lack of producing a leader like Jinnah has cause all the
above situation.
>It is my opinion, that either you are very naive or that you don't
>expect him to accept your invitation. I don't think he will be
>cheerfully accepted into Pakistan. Maybe Jinnah wanted Pakistan
>to be a land where the Muslims from the Indian subcontinent would
>be accepted happily. This is not true any more.
Exactly but this does not degrade Jinnah's vision.
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Manoj Ghayalod
>Jinnah was a different person from his co-worker in ML.
>He was a controvercial figure with determine to create a seperate homeland.
>He was a "Secular Person" in Congress but he later realised that the
>theory (The theory of Mahatma) would prove wrong practically if the leaders
>like Mahatma will not born in the nation.
>The reason for his refusal to PMship of United India is proved true.
Adil, I really expected more from you. Nehru was a more respected
leader than Jinnah as far as united India was concerned. Should we
have had Jinnah as the PM of India, just to appease the Muslims?
Nehru was more popular than Jinnah, if he got elected as the PM
of India, that's it. I would rather have the country divided
(as it is now), than minority appeasement at every step.
I think you have come to expect this from us Indians.
>In India, do you think practically any Muslim can become PM?
>Do you think that M.J. Akbar/ Ghulam Nabi Azad can become a PM form Cong(I)?
>Do you think that JD would give its leadership to Arif Mohmaad Khan?
>Do you think that Sikandar Bakhat will be the PM from BJP?
Yes I think so. Muslims have been CMs of states in India. Why can't
they be the PM? Even South Indians used to feel that a South Indian
cannot be the PM of India. Now we have a South Indian PM. In your
list who do you think is popular enough to be the PM of India?
None of these leaders have mass support.
>Where as in India, the ideology of Gandhi remained but the subject of India
>can not accept a Muslim PM?
I don't agree here, please see above.
>Of course they can a accept a toy, President.
I agree the president is just a toy. But is the CM a toy?
Are the generals in our army toys? Why do you think that Indians
are ready to accept Muslims as the head of our armed forces or
elect Muslims as CMs of our states but not ready to have them as
our PMs? No Muslim has had mass support through out India yet.
A christian has had mass support. Sonia Gandhi, I know it sounds
ridiculous, but Indians were ready to have her as the PM of India.
Rajiv Gandhi's father was a Parsi. I don't know his religion (
it was never thought as important), he was the PM of India.
I think it is very sad, that Muslims like you want us to prove our
commitment to secularism by having a Muslim PM eventhough he/she might
not have any mass support. BTW, before Indira Gandhi was elected as
the PM of India, it was thought that a woman could never be the PM
of India. She went on to become the most popular PM of India.
A Muslim person will have to earn the PM just like anyone else.
Sorry, there are no free meals in India.
>Exactly but this does not degrade Jinnah's vision.
You seem to be a big fan of Jinnah. If you were alive in 1947,
would you have moved to Pakistan, following Jinnah's vision?
Manoj
adil shaikh
>In article <CB7I8...@uceng.uc.edu>, mgha...@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
>|> 3) What if our friend is a Shia, do you still promise his safety?
>|> Just recently 9 Shias were killed in Pakistan by a grenade attack.
>|> Also Pakistani Shias have complained on the net that they are not
>|> safe in Pakistan.
>You have quoted an example, but shias are more than 45% of our population. I am
>impressed that your feelings are heart with, but what about kasmiri muslims ?
Are you sure, shias are more than 45% of Pakistan's population?
I doubt.
>Are you sure, he won't have to watch his valuables? Are
>|> there no thieves in Pakistan? Do people keep their houses unlocked?
>I never said that, thanks you have the understanding that we in pakistan live in
>houses and do not sleep on the footpaths as 30% of the population in Bombay.
What are you talking? What about Pakistan before '71? How many of Pakistanis
(especially East Pakistani) were homeless?
> Maybe Jinnah wanted Pakistan
>|> to be a land where the Muslims from the Indian subcontinent would
>|> be accepted happily. This is not true any more.
>|>
>you want us to accept all the muslims from india so that you can have whole of
>india only for hindus, but do not forget SIKHS, wher should they go ?
Sikh problem is solved. BTW, Sikh problem was Indira Gandhi's mastermind
and Pakistan exploited the situation to retaliate '71's defeat.
am...@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
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Mr.Manoj,
Aren't you forgetting something? You were accusing of how brutal the Pakistan
treats her minorities, by telling those STORIES about killing of 9 shias
and mistreating of Ahmedis etc, what about all those recent killing of innocent
Muslims by your extreamist Hindu activists, that wassaid to be the worst mass
murders of recent times breaking all the barrieres of basic human rights? Are
you forgetting the Babri Mosque already? Do you know that just in the city
of Bombay 50,000 muslims were Burned Alive? It was only a couple of months
ago, but if you have forgotten already, I have the original pictures and the
articles of the major magazines! Want some?!!!
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<Aamir>
T.S.Reddy
>mgha...@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
>
>
>>>Atleast we living in pakistan are happy. anyway it was your decision to stay in
>>>india and watch for your valuables. Jinnah the great gave you an oppertunity to
>>>come to pakistan and forget about all the worries you have now living in india.
>
>>You are saying that Jinnah the great has given our friend an opportunity
>>to go to Pakistan, where he won't have to watch for his valuables.
>
>
>Jinnah was a different person from his co-worker in ML.
>He was a controvercial figure with determine to create a seperate homeland.
>He was a "Secular Person" in Congress but he later realised that the
>theory (The theory of Mahatma) would prove wrong practically if the leaders
>like Mahatma will not born in the nation.
>The reason for his refusal to PMship of United India is proved true.
>In India, do you think practically any Muslim can become PM?
>Do you think that M.J. Akbar/ Ghulam Nabi Azad can become a PM form Cong(I)?
>Do you think that JD would give its leadership to Arif Mohmaad Khan?
>Do you think that Sikandar Bakhat will be the PM from BJP?
>
>
>>Manoj
One aspect of the leadership of any country is that the leader be
able to hustle. PVNR has been able to do this for two years now fending
off other power bases in his party. If anyone had forecast that he would
be PM three years ago, that person would have been laughed out of town.
I certainly don't want to see any Muslim become PM. Akbar, Azad, Khan
etc. simply don't have a power base of their own plus they haven't been
exposed at the local level to the common man (like Pawar (who was CM of
Maharashtra) or Arjun Singh (who was a big-shot in MP)). I thought that
A.R.Antulay had the savvy to make it big on the national scene were it not
for the fact that he got mired up in scandal. I personally wouldn't mind
seeing C.K.Jaffer Sharif as P.M. (he has done so much for my home state,
Karnataka) but I doubt he has the political clout. There is certainly
no ideological reasons why a Muslim cannot become PM of India.
Plus, it is only now that any sort of national leaders are emerging
from the humungous shade of the Gandhi family tree. Maybe in the next
couple of years, practical politicians who are able to hustle and who
also happen to be Muslim will emerge. Stranger things have happened.
Regards,
T.S.Reddy
(e-mail: tsr...@Eng.Sun.COM)
Manoj Ghayalod
> Aren't you forgetting something? You were accusing of how brutal the Pakistan
> treats her minorities, by telling those STORIES about killing of 9 shias
>and mistreating of Ahmedis etc, what about all those recent killing of innocent
> Muslims by your extreamist Hindu activists, that wassaid to be the worst mass
>murders of recent times breaking all the barrieres of basic human rights? Are
>you forgetting the Babri Mosque already? Do you know that just in the city
>of Bombay 50,000 muslims were Burned Alive? It was only a couple of months
>ago, but if you have forgotten already, I have the original pictures and the
>articles of the major magazines! Want some?!!!
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Yes, I want an article which says that 50,000 Muslims were burnt alive
in Bombay. The Babri Masjid was a structure, how can it be compared to
human life. You Pakistani Muslims have forgotten Islam, you should
not give such importance to structures. God does not exist in stone
or idols. Have you forgotten that Muhammed destroyed idols to show that
there is no God in stones? Here Pakistani Muslims have become idolators
taking revenge over a stone structure. What happened in Bombay was tragic.
My family and many other Hindus in Bombay helped out Muslims who were
targeted by Hindu fanatics. The Muslim and Hindu fanatics are to blame
in those riots. What was very deplorable was that some policemen sided
with the Hindu fanatics. Indian human right organizations have found
80 policemen guilty and they are going to be tried in Indian courts.
For destroying the Babri Masjid the BJP was held responsible by the
central govt. All BJP states were dismissed from power (they controlled
land over 2 times the size of Pakistan). Yes unfortunately we do have
our fanatics, but our state is secular. Even though we are a very
diverse nation of 850 million people, we have always tried to be fair.
This is because the majority of Indians are not fanatics. I hope you
are satisfied.
<Aamir>
Manoj
00h0fa...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
(Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
> Most of all where ever he goes in the world he will be parying to one God, but
>>in India he will have to pray to different gods depending on which side of the bed
>>he woke up from every morning.
>>or a different god for Monday and another one for Tuesday.
>>What if the friday god is gone on a holiday. Who does Hindus pray to then?
>
> This is a cheap flame. People keep asking me why I write against Islam.
> I write against Islam only as a response to flames like this. This time
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> I will not respond because I don't want to hurt the feelings of Muslims.
> But next time, I might not be in such a good mood.
Hey! Hey!! Hey!!! Wait a minute. You love to lock horns with Muslims.
And if someone irritates you or writes aginst Hinduism you want to
to write against Islam. That's not fair.
I am sure you have seen many many Hindu posters insulting Islam. Does
that warranty the response in terms of insult against Hinduism.
I don't think so!
Here is an example:
Jatinder Bhardwaj wrote (1993MAY28):
"... As far as Islam goes the best place to get a good drink or
a nice slut is at the Mosque!..."
When I responded to him, I ridiculed him without writing a single
word against his religion!!!
Do you understand?
-Hasan
manzoor ashraf xd/gke
You should not be telling lies on the net. One mosque was pulled down by the
Hindu fanatics, but how many are there on there list for the future hit.
It has been reported on the BBC that there are apprx 10 mosques on the list of
RSS/VHP/BJP.
Once again you seem to have a habit of inventing things!!
Millions of Secularists Indians are illiterate, and these people are being
brain washed by the VHP/RSS/BJP.
For pulling the mosque down "You Hindus should be ashamed of being Hindus"
I agree with you on that point.
You should not use such terms as "supposed to be built on a temple".
This clearly implies that you do not know what you are talking about.
You should provide with hard facts not mere hearsy!!
>
>>He will have to listen to the rhetoric of RSS/VHP/BJP.
>
>If some type of rhetoric offends you. You better go home to Pakistan.
>In the US also there is a lot of rhetoric against minorities. Have
>you heard of David Duke and the KKK? In Cincinnati downtown, the KKK
>were allowed by the city to put a KKK cross. We have a black mayor.
I don't have to go back to pakistan just because you do not like the statment
made above.
Get real Manju!!
For your information the rhetoric made by RSS/VHP/BJP is always related
to playing the religious card. I'ts a dangerous game!
>
>>He will have to protect his childern(if he has any) and his property from
>>the SANGH PARIVAR (This group gives training to women to avenge muslims).
The proof is that this was shown in the UK on Channnel 4 about 3 months ago.
It proved the dirty and criminal agenda of RSS/VHP/BJP against the Indian
Muslims. Young chicks being trained with sticks to carry out the attacks.
All of this is being funded by the RSS, some of the contribution is coming
from Amreeeka.
How much did you contribute Manoj?
>
>Any proof of this? Why will they train women? This is just some
>poison fed to you by Pakistan. If I were setting up an avenging army,
>I would recruit men. Are you saying that Hindu women are stronger than
>Muslim men? This is paranoia at its height.
I did't say that Hindu women are stronger than Muslim women. You seem to assume
to much.
Hindu women are good at certain things, I have a hindu girl friend and she
is good at ......
I thing the paranoia has got to the Hindus in india since they are sending there
daughters/sisters to get training in avenging the muslims.
>
>>He will be not be accepted by the Brahmins as a human being.
>
>This really irritates me. Pakistan has poisoned your mind well.
>Do you know that we have had Muslim generals and Brahmins enlisted
>men. So when the general gives some order to our enlisted friend.
>What do you think our friend says? "You are a dog, I won't obey you."
>Believe me that is a very dangerous thing to say in the army.
>Can you prove this that Brahmins do not accept Muslims as human beings?
>I am not a brahmin. On this net we have a lot of brahmins, will you
>be satisfied if they accept you as a human being? When you guys start
>losing an argument you start making up absurd things.
I think you have lost your marbles. The point i made was a very simple one
Brahmins consider themselves to the highest caste. Which means that all
the other people living in india are discriminated against including the
hindus.
Hindu brahmins learn from Bhgavad - Gita that all humans should be
considered equally, but in practice they do not apply the rule to the
so called UNTOUCHABLES. Why not?
So if there mind is so poisoned against the hindu (UNTOUCHANBLES), one
can only imagine the hatred they would exercise against the minority Muslims.
>
>>His childern probably end up working in the rug mills( You hindus are sad
>>people). I suppose this is how india is going to achive it's economic miracle.
>
>We Hindus are sad people? All of us? I am absolutely certian that his
>children, Javed Khan's, Adil Shaikh's or Hasan's children will not
>work in rug mills (atleast a laborers). I am sure if they ever go back
>to India they will be have important positions, because of their education
>and will be able to put their children in good schools. I didn't understand
>you properly here. Do you mean we Hindus kidnap Muslim children in India,
>and make them work in rug mills? Why rug mills?
No you Hindus force HIndu childern and muslim childern in the slave labour
market, making carpets to be sold to the rest of the world.
>
>>
>Most of all where ever he goes in the world he will be parying to one God, but
>>in India he will have to pray to different gods depending on which side of the bed
>>he woke up from every morning.
>>or a different god for Monday and another one for Tuesday.
>>What if the friday god is gone on a holiday. Who does Hindus pray to then?
>
>This is a cheap flame. People keep asking me why I write against Islam.
>I write against Islam only as a response to flames like this. This time
>I will not respond because I don't want to hurt the feelings of Muslims.
>But next time, I might not be in such a good mood.
This is not a cheap flame, I think it is very expensive.
I have noticed that you come up with lot of crap relating to Pakistan/ Muslims
and now you do not like the above statement.
I think you will have to get used to reading a lot more of the above statements and if you don't like them then get the hell out of this group.
or go back to your K.L advani buddies in your great india!!
>
>>
>>India is a no better place. Minority are being treated like shit. India has
>>a worst record in the humam rights. It does not recognise human as human, a person
>>must be classified with a tag i.e UNTOUCHABLES (You sad people).
>
>Don't believe anything I have said about India. You have not been there.
>Look around you. On the net a lot of Indian Muslims defend India.
>A lot of Christians defend India. A lot of Sikhs defend India.
>No non-Muslim ever defends Pakistan. Don't be offended, no non-Muslims
>defend any Islamic state. No Shia, defends Pakistan, they say that
>they are being killed there. No Ahmadhi Muslim defends Pakistan.
>India has bad human rights record in some areas, regretable I won't
>try to defend this. Muslims have Islamic laws in India. Their trip
>to Mecca is subsidized by the govt. All minority religions in India
>have their religious organizations tax-exempt. Again you make up
>absurd claims. ' Untouchables' is an interesting movie, what does this
>have to do with India, Ha, Ha. Nobody tags anyone in India. By
>untouchable if you mean the previous backward castes in India.
>They have 35%-75% reservation in all educational and employment
>institutions. They are the most power political group in India.
>Almost every Indian state has had a person who is from the previous
>backward caste as CM. And yes they are Untouchable. Nobody better
>lay a finger on Laloo Prasad Yadav. Kalyan Singh Yadav had put our
>friend Advani, the president of BJP in jail. Again this is poison
>fed to you by Pakistan govt.
I don't have to go to India to find out what it is like there, Millions of
people see it on television everyday the treatments of the minorities
be they sikhs/muslims/christians etc etc
A lot of skihs/Christians do not defend india too.
No shia's are being killed in pakistan, It's just your rhetoric.
No ahmadi muslims defend pakistan because they are your buddies!!
because there is no Mecca for Hindus that is why they cannot get a subsidy from
the india goverment. If Hindus had a place like mecca then i am sure hindus will get the same help as Muslims.
Why are you bringing in the film Untouchables in this discussion. When was the
last time you went back to India, It seems that you have forogotten about the
caste system in india already. You need a trip back home (maybe subsidized by the
Amerrki Sarkar).
>
>>
>>Are there any Untouchables out there on the net lurking!!!
>>Maybe we can set up a newsgroup for these people!!
>>
>
>Yes we can name it Untouchables.fans. This show is shown on Fox.
>Ofcourse I won't vote for it, I hate that show.
You would would't you!!! Brahmin!!
Namastake!
Manz/
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>>Manz/
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>
>Manoj
