Hindu Genocide: 1.8 million killed in Mahabharata war
Farhan Siddiqui
By Dr. C.S. Shah
On the second day Arjuna took command of his army and arranged his men
in a special format which gave little scope to Kauravas army to
advance and attack the Pandavas. Bhishma had killed Uttar son of king
Virata. Shalya had managed to kill Shweta. Pandavas saw great loss of
their men. Multitudes of soldiers on both sides were killed.
Sri Krishna Breaks His Vow
Third day.
Bhishma arranged his army in Eagle's format and Pandavas opted for
semi-lunar style to counter Kauravas offensive. Bhima attacked
Duryodhana with an arrow that made him unconscious, but he was quickly
shifted to a safer place. Dronacharya and others came to his rescue.
Duryodhana was not happy with Bhishma's way of commanding his army and
he was seen to insult old grandsire now and then. Bhishma threatened
to quit as the chief, but others persuaded him to remain in the lead.
Now, the ferocious Bhishma attacked Pandavas with force unheard of.
Pandavas army was torn apart at tens and hundreds places. Soldiers
started running here and there. Scores of them died on the
battle-field in their futile attempt to attack or escape the mighty
Bhishma.
Sri Krishna told Arjuna to protect his men by attacking the leader
Bhishma. There was no other way but to remove Bhishma if Pandavas had
to win the war. Everyone intently watched this terrifying battle
between the old and the young great warrior.
Arjuna was faltering, many a arrow from Bhishma hit Arjuna. He was
bleeding profusely. Sri Krishna thought, "If this continues defeat of
Pandavas is not far away." Therefore, in a bid to thwart the onslaught
of Bhishma, Sri Krishna lifted the nearby wheel of a broken chariot
and ran towards Bhishma as if to put and end to his life! The vow that
Sri Krishna would not take to arms was thus broken!
Seeing the Lord Himself rushing towards him, Bhishma dropped his
weapons. With tears flowing from his eyes Bhishma spoke thus, "O
Keshava, O Merciful, how lucky am I that the Lord of Universe Himself
has decided to liberate this ordinary Bhishma from the snares of
worldliness. O Madhava, come, be quick, let me die at your hands. Who
can be happier and lucky than me to get such an wonderful and rare
opportunity."
Sri Krishna was reminded of his vow. He threw away the wheel and
retreated back to his chariot. For his Bhakta - devotee - the Lord had
broken his vow!
Soon the sunset was in sight. The battle for the day ended. The
soldiers returned to their camp.
Fourth day
The dawn of the fourth day brought the 'think-tank' together. Bhishma
although old, was proving a great hurdle in the victory of Pandavas.
Arjuna was not ready to fight with him with full vigour. Therefore, it
was suggested to bring Shikhandi in picture. As Bhishma had vowed not
fight with that eunuch, Arjuna could hit the old man under the cover.
It was so decided.
The Great Bhishma Dies
The battle of fourth day began. Shikhandi was in the front attacking
Bhishma. Bhishma however, said, "Get away, O Shikhandi, I do not want
to fight with you." Thus the mighty and powerful Bhishma laid down his
arms. The arrows from Arjuna's Gandiva penetrated his body. Bhishma
fell down. There were so many arrows in his body that when he fell
down he was as if lying on the bed of arrows! His head was hanging,
which Arjuna supported by three arrows under the head and neck. As is
well known Bhishma had the boon to give up his body as and when he
decided. The sun was in southern hemisphere, this time. and it was not
very auspicious to give up body in this phase of sun movement.
Therefore, Bhishma said to Sri Krishna, "O Vallabha, Please take me
far off corner of the battle ground after about a fortnight when
enters to move in northern hemisphere I would give up the body." Thus
was arranged a safe and peaceful shelter for this grand old Kuru.
Sri Krishna suggested Yudhisthira to take lessons on politics,
diplomacy, duties of a king, economics, and many other related
subjects from dying Bhishma. Accordingly every day after the day's
battle was over, Yudhisthira and others would visit Bhishma and take
lessons on various topics of art and culture at his holy feet. This is
a very thought provoking chapter of Mahabharata.
Then enters the character of mighty and skillful Karna as Bhishma is
no more in the lead. Dronacharya next becomes the commander of
Kauravas army. The Teacher of Pandavas and Kauravas was equally
difficult to dislodge as was Bhishma.
Yudhisthira Tells a Lie!
To defeat Dronacharya Sri Krishna plans a new gimmick. On the side of
Pandavas there was an elephant by the name Ashwathama. This was the
name of the son of Dronacharya also. Sri Krishna tells Yudhisthira to
spread the rumour that Ashwathama is dead! In effect the elephant is
killed and everyone shouts, "Ashwathama is dead, Ashwathama is dead!"
Dronacharya also hears these words and suspects his lone son is killed
in the battle. Gloomy at the loss of his son he approaches Yudhisthira
and asks, "O Yudhisthira, I know you never speak untruth, please tell
me what has happened. Is Ashwathama really dead?"
With great effort Yudhisthira says, "Yes, Ashwathama is dead"; but
adds in whisper, "I do not know whether he is a man or an elephant."
Dronacharya in the din and bustle fails to hear the second half of the
sentence and thinking that his loving son has died gives up the fight
and is then killed.
Here Ashwathama, son of Dronacharya, learnt about the trick played by
Sri Krishna and Yudhisthira in killing his father. He was furious and
decided to kill Arjuna. Ashwathama after great austerities and tapas,
had procured the most effective "Astra" weapon known as Brahmastra
that never failed. When it was aimed at a particular person that
person was sure to die. But it was useful only once! Ashwathama
decided to use this Astra on Arjuna.
Sri Krishna came to know this plan of Ashwathama to put an end to the
life of Arjuna. He thought of a plan and called Bhima for some private
talk. Sri Krishna reminded Bhima about his powerful son Ghatotkacha
born of demon wife Hidambi! Ghatotkacha had special supernatural
powers of getting invisible, small, large, etc. at will. Sri Krishna
suggested Pandavas to call this son of Bhima who would wreck havoc in
Kauravas army when Ashwathama would be forced to use his Brahmastra on
him instead of Arjuna.
Accordingly Bhima wished Ghatotkacha to come to Kurukshetra and
indeed, as soon as his father wished, as promised by him, this great
and powerful warrior was there in front of Bhima and Sri Krishna. He
was told to fight and annihilate the Kauravas army next day to which
he gladly agreed.
Next day the battle began. Ashwathama was in search of Arjuna, but
Ghatotkacha obstructed his path. Moreover, Ghatotkacha vomited fire
and threw large quantity of boulders and sand on Kauravas. There was
total chaos in Kauravas camp. Soldiers were running here and there.
Scores of their army men were killed.
Duryodhana now requested Ashwathama to kill this demon otherwise he
said, "Nobody will be alive." Reluctantly Ashwathama had to use 'the
one time use' Brahmastra on Ghatotkacha in stead of Arjuna.
Ghatotkacha died but saved the life of Arjuna.
The Great Karna Dies
Now the Karna takes over the charge of the Karna army, and soon
declares either he would survive or Arjuna.
The ferocious battle leaves more than half the soldiers dead. The
destruction was raging its death-dance every where. Karna with his bow
and arrow was sending men after men to the death valley. Pandavas were
terrified.
Sri Krishna was also worried and decided to put an end to this mighty
eldest son of Kunti. Next day he takes the chariot of Arjuna to combat
Karna's onslaught. Arrow after arrow try to find weakness in each
other's skill, but no, both Arjuna and Karna were found to be equal.
Then a superior arrow hits Arjuna making him lose his poise. Other
arrow follows when Sri Krishna shows his might and skill to avoid
damage to Arjuna. The arrow misses Arjuna by four fingers because Sri
Krishna had pushed it four fingers in the ground!
Now comes the crucial factor of that curse of the Guru Parashurama to
Karna.
As is told previously, the sage Parashurama was displeased with Karna
because he had become his disciple and learnt the archery in a
disguise of a Brahmin boy. At that time the Guru had cursed him that
at the crucial moment he would face difficulty on the battle field
which put his life I jeopardy. That moment comes.
The wheel of Karna's chariot is jammed and his chariot tilts to one
side. All the efforts are of no avail. Karna cannot fight the war with
ease. Sri Krishna tells Arjuna to take advantage of the situation and
kill Karna.
But Arjuna refuses to attack the enemy in distress. He sees Karna
pleading to let him remove his jammed wheel. But Sri Krishna reminds
Arjuna of the laugher of Karna at the pathetic condition of Draupadi
in the royal court. 'Where had Karna's modesty and sense of justice
gone then?', asks Sri Krishna. Thus reminded of the insult of Draupadi
Arjuna sees no point to show leniency and kills Karna also.
A very great warrior, the greatest archer, and eldest son of Kunti
dies thus siding towards Kauravas for the lost love of mother in the
childhood. Sri Krishna respectfully performed the last rites on the
body of Karna.
Death of Abhimanyu
The death of many stalwarts put Duryodhana in a fix. Next day he
arranged his army in an impregnable wheel format known as "Chakra
Formation". On the side of Pandavas only Abhimanyu, son of Arjuna, was
capable of penetrating this format; but he did not know how to come
out of it. This teenage lad, however, pleaded with his father and
uncles to allow him to enter the enemy ranks and then all of Pandavas
would come to help him inside.
Accordingly, seeking blessings of Sri Krishna, Abhimanyu led small
army and entered the Chakra formation. Kauravas allowed him to enter
but soon sealed off the entry of Arjuna and company. Duryodhana,
Dushasana, Jayadratha, and many more Kauravas warriors attacked the
lone but brave Abhimanyu who fought gallantly all alone against them
all. Arjuna and others were anxious to reach near him but were
obstructed by a large force of Kauravas army men. Sri Krishna was also
worried.
Soon inside the circle, Abhimanyu lost his bow, his chariot was
broken, and he was without any weapon to defend himself. Standing on
the ground without losing his courage, this brave man continued to
fight with whatever make-shift weapon he could lay hands on. His whole
body was inflicted with wounds from sharp arrows and javelins.
Bleeding and dazed at last he fell on the ground.
Kripacharya advised other Kauravas to halt further attacks on the boy
as he was helpless and without any weapon. But Jayadratha neglected
this sane advice. Without mercy and consideration for the helpless
state of Abhimanyu Jayadratha kicked him with his foot and killed him
with his sword.
The news of brave Abhimanyu's death spread all over. Kauravas were
shouting like victors and Pandavas were angered like cornered lions.
Arjuna was deeply grieved and tears rolled down his eyes. His heart
however was filled with anger and revenge. He decided to kill
Jayadratha in the next chance. The evening halted the battle for the
day. Arjuna vowed to kill Jayadratha by evening next day or else give
his body up in the burning flames.
End of Jayadratha
Next day the terrified Jayadratha sought protection from Duryodhana
pleading, "O Duryodhana, Arjuna and Pandavas would apply all their
skills and power to succeed in killing me. How should I protect myself
against his sharp lethal arrows? I am afraid I would not live beyond
sunset today."
Reassuring him Duryodhana said, "O my brother-in-law, how can you
think that we would leave any stone unturned to protect you. We would
all see that Arjuna does not succeed in his pledge and would himself
as vowed will die in flames. Rest assured, O Jayadratha, nothing bad
will come to your fate."
All the warriors on Kaurava side surrounded Jayadratha's chariot and
prevented anyone approaching him. Jayadratha was almost invisible!
Arjuna and Bhima, Yudhisthira and others tried to reach near him but
were obstructed by one and all. Exchange of arrows filled the sky.
Many soldiers lost their lives. It was almost impossible to attack
Jayadratha.
Morning turned to noon, noon into afternoon. There was a faint pal of
gloom in Pandavas heart while Kauravas appeared to rejoice.
And at that time, in the hours of approaching dusk, the sky became
dark. Stars were visible on the horizon. Shouts of victory to
Duryodhana were heard, while everyone on the side of Pandavas thought
that Arjuna would have to keep his vow and die! For everyone thought
that sun had set.
Jayadratha dancing with joy lifted himself up to see the darkness of
evening sky. He thought he had now no fear from Arjuna.
But the wonder of wonders was in store! The skies were dark because of
total eclipse of the sun on that day at that hour and not because it
was evening! As Jayadratha was looking in merriment, the eclipse ended
and the sun came out. The sun light was bright, and then said Lord Sri
Krishna:
"O Arjuna, look there is the sun and here this Jayadratha, What are
you waiting for! It is still day time, evening has not yet fallen.
Kill Jayadratha."
And the sharp penetrating arrow left the Gandiva of Arjuna to take the
head of Jayadratha far off in jungle into the lap of his father!
At last Duryodhana Dies
Thus one after the other all Kauravas were being killed. But Bhima was
still not satisfied. He had vowed to kill Dushasana and Duryodhana He
had promised Draupadi that he would drink blood from the chest of
Dushasana and would dress her hair with the blood from the thigh of
Duryodhana. To that end, Bhima took permission of Yudhisthira and Sri
Krishna and killed Dushasana in a brief fight.
But with Duryodhana the mace or club fight went on and on. It was
fierce and terrifying. Both Bhima and Duryodhana were well built and
adept in the skills of fighting. Bhima hit his opponent below the
belt! Duryodhana thigh was broken and he was left there to die a slow
and undignified death.
As already written, I do not want to justify Bhima's action of hitting
on the prohibited area of the body. But I feel the misbehavior of
Duryodhana with Draupadi could not have any other outcome.
EPILOGUE
In all, on Kauravas's side there were 1.1 million soldiers and 0.7
million on the side of Pandavas; total 1.8 million. The war lasted for
18 days. Except for Sri Krishna, five Pandavas, Draupadi and a few
others everyone was killed in this Great War of Mahabharata. It was
the worst human carnage ever witnessed on the earth. A race was almost
totally annihilated. The story can go on, and indeed it goes on. But
that I would tell you some other time.
After reigning supreme for many years the five brothers accompanied by
Draupadi started for Hialayas renouncing kingdom and all luxuries. A
dog also accompanied Yudhisthira. On the way first Draupadi falls down
dead. In response to the question of his brothers Yudhisthira said she
fell victim to her special preference for Arjuna!
Next Nakul and sahadeva died on the way. Yudhisthira said, "They were
very proud of their looks and knowledge."
Next Arjuna fell down. He had succumbed to his pride about his mastery
in archery.
Then Bhima also left the mortal body. Yudhisthira said to himself;
"Bhima was excessively infatuated with his eating."
But the dog remained with Yudhisthira.
Soon they reached at the doors of Heaven. The lord of Heaven Indra
appeared before Yudhisthira and said: "O noble one, welcome to the
kingdom of Heavens. You are most righteous person ever lived on the
earth, therefore we are pleased to welcome you. But there is one
condition. This dog cannot be admitted to this holy place of heavens.
You come alone and leave the dog behind."
To this Yudhisthira objected saying: "O Lord, I cannot leave this holy
creature who has accompanied me in all trials and tribulations. Either
you admit us both or else I do not need the safety and luxury of your
Heaven."
On hearing Yudhisthira speak thus, the dog changed himself in the form
of Dharma Itself and said: "O Yudhisthira the people in coming
generations for time immemorial will praise and remember you as the
most righteous person ever born. Come let us enjoy the heavenly
bliss."
Namaste' - Dr C S Shah.
Farhan Siddiqui
Farhan Siddiqui
died in Mahabharat war.
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Farhan Siddiqui
http://www.bindu.org/feature_rishikesh.html
. It is said that there was so much destruction in the Mahabharata
War that in 5092 years since then, humanity has not yet recovered.
With the power of such weapons, four million soldiers were killed in
eighteen days, and civilization was devastated.
S Ramakrishnan
"the deliberate and systematic destruction
of a racial, political, or cultural group"
Which dictionary did you use in your madarasah?
S Ramakrishnan
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V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> An anonymous e-mail sent me this info teeling that 4 million! people
> died in Mahabharat war.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Farhan Siddiqui
>
> http://www.bindu.org/feature_rishikesh.html
>
> . It is said that there was so much destruction in the Mahabharata
> War that in 5092 years since then, humanity has not yet recovered.
> With the power of such weapons, four million soldiers were killed in
> eighteen days, and civilization was devastated.
In a matter of 30 minutes, the fogures 'killed' in Mahabharata war has gone up from 1.8 to 4
million!!!!!!!!!
However let us look at the demographics of this figure.
4 million died about 5100 years ago. Assuming one third the population perished, the entire adult
male population, the then population of India should have been 12 million. Roughly every 50 years th
population doubles. In other words over 5100 years the population should have gon eup by an order of
2 to the power of 200.
Imagine the gigure of 2 to the power of 200. And multiply it by 12 million
If these idiotic figures have any validity, the present Indian population should work out to
trillions of billions of millions of people. Astronomical figures.
Mahabharata was only a soldiers war and not a 'people's war' or a national war. At the most, few
thousand would have perished.
Farhan Siddiqui
<00...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Farhan Siddiqui wrote:
>
>> An anonymous e-mail sent me this info teeling that 4 million! people
>> died in Mahabharat war.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Farhan Siddiqui
>>
>> http://www.bindu.org/feature_rishikesh.html
>>
>> . It is said that there was so much destruction in the Mahabharata
>> War that in 5092 years since then, humanity has not yet recovered.
>> With the power of such weapons, four million soldiers were killed in
>> eighteen days, and civilization was devastated.
>
>In a matter of 30 minutes, the fogures 'killed' in Mahabharata war has gone up from 1.8 to 4
>million!!!!!!!!!
You tell me ! These are the figures from Hindu web sites. Either they
are all wrong or or true. I am not making them up ! Go the URL
provided and read by yourself.
>However let us look at the demographics of this figure.
>
>4 million died about 5100 years ago. Assuming one third the population perished, the entire adult
>male population, the then population of India should have been 12 million. Roughly every 50 years th
>population doubles. In other words over 5100 years the population should have gon eup by an order of
>2 to the power of 200.
>
>Imagine the gigure of 2 to the power of 200. And multiply it by 12 million
>
>If these idiotic figures have any validity, the present Indian population should work out to
>trillions of billions of millions of people. Astronomical figures.
>
>Mahabharata was only a soldiers war and not a 'people's war' or a national war. At the most, few
>thousand would have perished.
So why don't you tell this to various Hindu sources that have figures
of millions killed in this war. Are these figures inflated ?
Farhan Siddiqui
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:00:49 GMT, "V.C.Vijayaraghavan"
> <00...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Farhan Siddiqui wrote:
> >
> >> An anonymous e-mail sent me this info teeling that 4 million! people
> >> died in Mahabharat war.
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Farhan Siddiqui
> >>
> >> http://www.bindu.org/feature_rishikesh.html
> >>
> >> . It is said that there was so much destruction in the Mahabharata
> >> War that in 5092 years since then, humanity has not yet recovered.
> >> With the power of such weapons, four million soldiers were killed in
> >> eighteen days, and civilization was devastated.
> >
> >In a matter of 30 minutes, the fogures 'killed' in Mahabharata war has gone up from 1.8 to 4
> >million!!!!!!!!!
>
> You tell me ! These are the figures from Hindu web sites. Either they
> are all wrong or or true. I am not making them up ! Go the URL
> provided and read by yourself.
>
> >However let us look at the demographics of this figure.
> >
> >4 million died about 5100 years ago. Assuming one third the population perished, the entire adult
> >male population, the then population of India should have been 12 million. Roughly every 50 years th
> >population doubles. In other words over 5100 years the population should have gon eup by an order of
> >2 to the power of 200.
> >
> >Imagine the gigure of 2 to the power of 200. And multiply it by 12 million
> >
> >If these idiotic figures have any validity, the present Indian population should work out to
> >trillions of billions of millions of people. Astronomical figures.
> >
> >Mahabharata was only a soldiers war and not a 'people's war' or a national war. At the most, few
> >thousand would have perished.
>
> So why don't you tell this to various Hindu sources that have figures
> of millions killed in this war. Are these figures inflated ?
>
> Farhan Siddiqui
Mahabharatha war ,as described in the puranas, cannot be contrued as fatithful or even a plausible
reproduction of historical events. Let us not mix up Mahabhrata and history.
Let us keep Mahabhaata and history as separate.
I have neither the time not the inclination to visit various web sites prejecting particular religious or
political ideas and get into debates. Life is too short for that.
Farhan Siddiqui
"V.C.Vijayaraghavan" <00...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Farhan Siddiqui wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:00:49 GMT, "V.C.Vijayaraghavan"
> > <00...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >Farhan Siddiqui wrote:
> > >
people
> > >> died in Mahabharat war.
> > >>
> > >> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >> Farhan Siddiqui
> > >>
> > >> http://www.bindu.org/feature_rishikesh.html
> > >>
> > >> . It is said that there was so much destruction in the
Mahabharata
> > >> War that in 5092 years since then, humanity has not yet
recovered.
> > >> With the power of such weapons, four million soldiers were
killed in
> > >> eighteen days, and civilization was devastated.
> > >
Are you suggesting that Mahabharata is not history but mythology ?
Farhan Siddiqui
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> Are you suggesting that Mahabharata is not history but mythology ?
Yes, it is not history as know it now.
Farhan Siddiqui
Mo
Make up your mind . Either Hindus are cowards or they can kill
millions..
i, 30 Jun 2000 22:11:22 GMT, Farhan Siddiqui
Farhan Siddiqui
mo...@yahoo.com (Mo) wrote:
>
>
> Make up your mind . Either Hindus are cowards or they can kill
> millions..
According to Hindu sites in Mahabharata war millions of people were
killed. This proves that Hindus have committed genocide.
Farhan Siddiqui
S Ramakrishnan
>According to Hindu sites in Mahabharata war
>millions of people were
>killed. This proves that Hindus have committed
>genocide.
This proves that you have little brain.
You haven't responded my question about
what you understand by "genocide"?
Or are you parroting it because
it seems like a good stick to
beat someone with?
aryanviking
Hinduism -- afterall its the culture of your ancestors before
they were forcibly converted to muslims by hook or crook --
and as the saying goes neo-converts possess more zeal than
the original ones !!!
-- anyway -- Mahabharata is not the heritage of India alone -- a
lot of that heritage belongs to present day pakistan too --- so
dont belittle such heritage of your ancestors and make a mockery
of ancient culture and traditions --- NO -- Mahabharata is not a
myth -- it indeed took place -- as for the figures of the
causualties -- there is a big hype about 6 million jews
exterminated in the not too distant II world war -- but there is
so much of dispute regarding that fugure -- so if there is so
much of dispute in recent modern times -- you should not get
worked up about something that happened 5000 years ago -- I am
sure you are not such a stupid chap.
Farhan Siddiqui <farhan_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <395D0275...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk>,
> "V.C.Vijayaraghavan" <00...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> Farhan Siddiqui wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:00:49 GMT, "V.C.Vijayaraghavan"
>> > <00...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Farhan Siddiqui wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> An anonymous e-mail sent me this info teeling that 4
million!
>people
>> > >> died in Mahabharat war.
>> > >>
>> > >>
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>> > >> Farhan Siddiqui
>> > >>
>> > >> http://www.bindu.org/feature_rishikesh.html
>> > >>
>> > >> . It is said that there was so much destruction in the
>Mahabharata
>> > >> War that in 5092 years since then, humanity has not yet
>recovered.
>> > >> With the power of such weapons, four million soldiers
were
>killed in
>> > >> eighteen days, and civilization was devastated.
>> > >
>Are you suggesting that Mahabharata is not history but mythology
?
>
>Farhan Siddiqui
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
>
>
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NangaPir
4-yr-old girl beheaded for sacrifice
Roorkee
(HTC)
A 40-YEAR-old man allegedly 'sacrificed' a four-year-old girl
on Monday in village
Miragpur, 30 km from here on Manglaour-Deoband Road. Only the
chopped off head
of the victim has been traced so far.
According to sources, Sapna, daughter of Janeshwar, a member
of Dalit community,
had on Monday accompanied her parents to the fields to collect
fodder. But after
collecting fodder for a while Sapna's parents found her
missing. After a frantic
search, her parents along with their neighbours found her head
chopped and
mutilated in the field.
While returning form the fields, the villagers saw Som, a
fellow-villager roaming
around suspiciously in the nearby field.
On seeing the girl's parents and also the neighbours, Som
tried to flee, but villagers
overpowered him and bolted him inside a room at gram pradhan
Mahendri Devi's
house.
Som is said to have confessed that he sacrificed the girl to
propitiate a deity.
Villagers then handed him over to the police. The father of
the victim has lodged an
FIR against Som with Thana Deoband.
jaff...@my-deja.com
Are your parents siblings? And you must brain deformed. get out of our
forum. This forum is only for tamils and our loving sinhala brothers.
Understand??? Get the fuck out of here.
In article <8jjbj7$366$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Farhan Siddiqui <farhan_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <395d27e7...@news.clara.net>,
> mo...@yahoo.com (Mo) wrote:
> >
> >
> > Make up your mind . Either Hindus are cowards or they can kill
> > millions..
>
> According to Hindu sites in Mahabharata war millions of people were
> killed. This proves that Hindus have committed genocide.
>
> Farhan Siddiqui
>
> > i, 30 Jun 2000 22:11:22 GMT, Farhan Siddiqui
> > <farhan_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >
> > In article <395D0F4E...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk>,
> > "V.C.Vijayaraghavan" <00...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Farhan Siddiqui wrote:
> > >
> > > > Are you suggesting that Mahabharata is not history but mythology
?
> > >
> > > Yes, it is not history as know it now.
> >
> > Is Mahabharata as a whole a mythology ?
Farhan Siddiqui
<rk_NO...@mailcity.com.invalid> wrote:
>Farhan Siddiqui <farhan_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >According to Hindu sites in Mahabharata war
> >millions of people were
> >killed. This proves that Hindus have committed
> >genocide.
>
>This proves that you have little brain.
>You haven't responded my question about
>what you understand by "genocide"?
The genocide is deliberate extermination of a people or a race.
>Or are you parroting it because
>it seems like a good stick to
>beat someone with?
Let's hear your side of the story !
Farhan Siddiqui
>S Ramakrishnan
>r...@cisco.com
Chirag Patnaik
Chirag
aryanviking
>On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:31:50 -0700, aryanviking thought that we
should
>read this:
>
>:>Mahabharata is not a
>:>myth -- it indeed took place --
>
unbelievable
>even with modern technology
>
>
>Chirag
-------> well the ancient world --- be it south america -- egypt
-- china -- india --- was full of unbelievable mysteries which
are just incomprehensible to the modern man -- the ancient wisdom
in the fields of mathematics -- science -- architecture --
astronomy -- etc is simply astounding and incredible -- a
large part of it has been some how wiped out due to some barbaric
races and natural and man made disasters --- the western
scientists have found evidence that a nuclear explosion must have
ended the harappan civilization (which may be the culmination of
the great mahabharata war) -- its interesting to note that the
Indus valley civilization ended about the same time as the period
of mahabharata war --- that does show something --- nothing can
be dismissed offhand in the mistaken belief that we alone are
intelligent -- that will be end of our quest for truth !!
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> In article <395D0F4E...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk>,
> "V.C.Vijayaraghavan" <00...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > Farhan Siddiqui wrote:
> >
> > > Are you suggesting that Mahabharata is not history but mythology ?
> >
> > Yes, it is not history as know it now.
>
> Is Mahabharata as a whole a mythology ?
It is a purana which is a different genre of literature than itihasam
which is the sanskrit word for history.
Purana simply means things which happened long time ago.
If you read Walter Scott or other novels which are based on historical
figures , one cannot confuse them with history books. Water Scott's
Ivanhoe as well as Shakespeare's Julius Ceaser's are fables or mythology
or a novel or a play, whichever way you like to call them.
aryanviking
world gets rid of this scum the better !!!
Chirag Patnaik
darkf...@my-deja.com
farhan_...@my-deja.com (Farhan Siddiqui) wrote:
> > >According to Hindu sites in Mahabharata war
> > >millions of people were
> > >killed. This proves that Hindus have committed
> > >genocide.
> >This proves that you have little brain.
> >You haven't responded my question about
> >what you understand by "genocide"?
>
> The genocide is deliberate extermination of a people or a race.
And when did a 'race' be 'exterminated' in the Mahabharatha?? The
Kauravas were the Govt. and military of a kingdom, as were the Pandavas
for theirs. The battle was beteen two armies OF THE SAME RACE!!! So even
if ALL Kauravas were killed, that still cannot be the 'elimination of a
race'. And FYI, Hindus are brave noble warriors who faught on
battlefields, ONLY during the day. The battles are strictly between
armies... how SO unlike Muhammad and his band of raping thugs and
criminals, who terrorized women and children.
The good part about this article, was it shows the nobleness of Hindus,
as opposed to the treachous genocide of Muhammad, who incited violence
against innocent civillians of entire religions and societies!
Farhan Siddiqui
darkf...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <395d6550.8623950@news>,
> farhan_...@my-deja.com (Farhan Siddiqui) wrote:
> > > >According to Hindu sites in Mahabharata war
> > > >millions of people were
> > > >killed. This proves that Hindus have committed
> > > >genocide.
>
> > >This proves that you have little brain.
> > >You haven't responded my question about
> > >what you understand by "genocide"?
> >
> > The genocide is deliberate extermination of a people or a race.
>
> And when did a 'race' be 'exterminated' in the Mahabharatha?? The
> Kauravas were the Govt. and military of a kingdom, as were the
Pandavas
> for theirs. The battle was beteen two armies OF THE SAME RACE!!! So
even
> if ALL Kauravas were killed, that still cannot be the 'elimination of
a
> race'. And FYI, Hindus are brave noble warriors who faught on
> battlefields, ONLY during the day. The battles are strictly between
> armies...
How can documented murder of 4 million people in ancient South Asia be
so trivialized ? Even today 140 million Pakistanis facing belligerent
India has an army of only 500,000 troops. The ancient South Asian were
even less than 10 million in circa 1000 BC and they probably mobilized
all men between 13-65 to fight this war. The death 4 million men could
be considered a genocide of men in Mahabharata war.
> how SO unlike Muhammad and his band of raping thugs and
> criminals, who terrorized women and children.
Your sanitized history where soldiers were nobles and nobody ever
committed any crimes does not hold any truth. The Muslim armies never
comitted any atrocities in India these are just lies.
> The good part about this article, was it shows the nobleness of
Hindus,
> as opposed to the treachous genocide of Muhammad, who incited violence
> against innocent civillians of entire religions and societies!
It is Vedic Brahmans invadors that comitted genocide and ethnic
cleansing of Dalit and Dravidians. Brahui are Dravidian speaking people
found in Baluchistan mountains in Pakistan far from Dravidian speaking
South India. In between these two areas lie the domain of Vedic Aryan
speaking people that destroyed and took over tha lands of the natives.
The lower you go in the caste hierarchy closer you come to the original
inhabitants of South Asia.
Farhan Siddiqui
darkf...@my-deja.com
Farhan Siddiqui <farhan_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> How can documented murder of 4 million people in ancient South Asia be
> so trivialized ? Even today 140 million Pakistanis facing belligerent
> India has an army of only 500,000 troops. The ancient South Asian were
> even less than 10 million in circa 1000 BC and they probably mobilized
> all men between 13-65 to fight this war. The death 4 million men could
> be considered a genocide of men in Mahabharata war.
Dear Pakistani. Sadly, you like all of your kind, are out of your league
when debating with Hindus:
The term 'Genocide' is described by the Webster and Merriam dictionaries
as so:
Main Entry: geno·cide
Pronunciation: 'je-n&-"sId
Function: noun
Date: 1944
: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, or cultural
group
geno·cid·al /"je-n&-'sI-d&l/ adjective
In the Mahabharatha, there was NEVER ANY intension to destroy ANY
racial, or cultural group. The war was between the warriors of GOD, and
evil. i.e. between HINDUISM and islam.
HINDUS are the warriors of GOD on earth. They preserve humanity, and
save humans from Shaitan (Satan)... of Islam.
YOU still have time. Convert to HINDUISM or die by the hands of
Shaitan.... in the fires of a lonely, filthy, non-existant, deceiving
cult leader!!
Pervaiz Rizvi
Pervaiz Rizvi
Farhan Siddiqui
"richard" <rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Could not answer the allegations so you take an easy way out ! Just
proves fallacy of your illogical arguments.
Farhan Siddiqui
arguments sharing each other's LingaJuice and enjoying themselves.
Farhan Siddiqui
In article <006f3fa3...@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com>,
Farhan Siddiqui
darkf...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8jm835$utn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Farhan Siddiqui <farhan_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
league
> when debating with Hindus:
>
> The term 'Genocide' is described by the Webster and Merriam
dictionaries
> as so:
>
> Main Entry: geno·cide
> Pronunciation: 'je-n&-"sId
> Function: noun
> Date: 1944
> : the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, or cultural
> group
> geno·cid·al /"je-n&-'sI-d&l/ adjective
>
> In the Mahabharatha, there was NEVER ANY intension to destroy ANY
> racial, or cultural group. The war was between the warriors of GOD,
and
> evil. i.e. between HINDUISM and islam.
How can documented murder of 4 million people in ancient South Asia be
so trivialized ? Even today 140 million Pakistanis facing belligerent
India has an army of only 500,000 troops. The ancient South Asian were
even less than 10 million in circa 1000 BC and they probably mobilized
all men between 13-65 to fight this war. The death 4 million men could
be considered a genocide of men in Mahabharata war.
> HINDUS are the warriors of GOD on earth. They preserve humanity, and
> save humans from Shaitan (Satan)... of Islam.
There are 4-5 million female fetuses are aborted and female babies
killed by Hindus every year in India. You call them "warriors" but rest
of the world calls it crime aginst humanity.
> YOU still have time. Convert to HINDUISM or die by the hands of
> Shaitan.... in the fires of a lonely, filthy, non-existant, deceiving
> cult leader!!
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world !
> > > how SO unlike Muhammad and his band of raping thugs and
> > > criminals, who terrorized women and children.
Your sanitized history where soldiers were nobles and nobody ever
committed any crimes does not hold any truth. The Muslim armies never
comitted any atrocities in India these are just lies.
Farhan Siddiqui
darkf...@my-deja.com
Farhan Siddiqui <farhan_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> How can documented murder of 4 million people in ancient South Asia be
> so trivialized ? Even today 140 million Pakistanis facing belligerent
> India has an army of only 500,000 troops. The ancient South Asian were
> even less than 10 million in circa 1000 BC and they probably mobilized
> all men between 13-65 to fight this war. The death 4 million men could
> be considered a genocide of men in Mahabharata war.
You are parroting the same thing you said earlier. Did your brain freeze
in time? This does happen when you read the Koran too much. Next, you'll
be muttering and jabbering nonsense. Stop reading this book of madness
NOW!... before its too late!
Let me re-state my earlier post:
The soldiers who died in the Mahabharatha era, are just that - SOLDIERS!
They are men, who voluntarily took up arms, to wage war for a cause -
just vs unjust... i.e Pandavas vs Kouravas... Good vs evil... today, it
is Hinduism vs islam.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
> HINDUS are the warriors of GOD on earth. They preserve humanity, and
> > save humans from Shaitan (Satan)... of Islam.
>
> There are 4-5 million female fetuses are aborted and female babies
> killed by Hindus every year in India. You call them "warriors" but
rest
> of the world calls it crime aginst humanity.
>
> > YOU still have time. Convert to HINDUISM or die by the hands of
> > Shaitan.... in the fires of a lonely, filthy, non-existant,
deceiving
> > cult leader!!
>
> Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world !
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is the cult of gibbering idiots and brain-dead slow-witted morons.
Unfortunately, there are quite a few of this type of people, in the
slums of African cities. So yes... it is the fastest growing religion
among dumb village idiots of Africa.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > > how SO unlike Muhammad and his band of raping thugs and
> > > > criminals, who terrorized women and children.
>
> Your sanitized history where soldiers were nobles and nobody ever
> committed any crimes does not hold any truth. The Muslim armies never
> comitted any atrocities in India these are just lies.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course! You say: "The Muslim armies never comitted any atrocities in
India these are just lies" - Why don't you cover your ears and shout
"La la la la la". Or better yet, shout "Allah ill la Allah ill la Allah
ill la".
The atrocities of the Mughal half-dicks, against innocent women and
children, are well documented. They killed millions of innocent
civilians, just for a few bits of gold. The cowards (i.e. Pakistanis),
converted to Islam, to save their ass. The brave and the noble (i.e.
Hindus and Sikhs) remained with their own religion, and fought them till
the mangy dogs became doggy doo-doo.
regards
Shiva Pratap K
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Farhan Siddiqui
darkf...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8jnf79$nju$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Farhan Siddiqui <farhan_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Let me re-state my earlier post:
>
> The soldiers who died in the Mahabharatha era, are just that -
SOLDIERS!
> They are men, who voluntarily took up arms, to wage war for a cause -
> just vs unjust... i.e Pandavas vs Kouravas... Good vs evil... today,
it
> is Hinduism vs islam.
What was the population of South Asia when this war occurred ? The good
and evil war in India is between evil Brahmanism and oppressed Dalits.
> > HINDUS are the warriors of GOD on earth. They preserve humanity,
and
> > > save humans from Shaitan (Satan)... of Islam.
> >
> > There are 4-5 million female fetuses are aborted and female babies
> > killed by Hindus every year in India. You call them "warriors" but
> rest
> > of the world calls it crime aginst humanity.
> >
> > > YOU still have time. Convert to HINDUISM or die by the hands of
> > > Shaitan.... in the fires of a lonely, filthy, non-existant,
> deceiving
> > > cult leader!!
> >
> > Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world !
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> It is the cult of gibbering idiots and brain-dead slow-witted morons.
> Unfortunately, there are quite a few of this type of people, in the
> slums of African cities. So yes... it is the fastest growing religion
> among dumb village idiots of Africa.
Another example Brahmanist racism against non-Vedic Aryans ! To
Muslims, all humans are created equal. We Muslims accept all humans in
our religion as equal among equals.
> > > > > how SO unlike Muhammad and his band of raping thugs and
> > > > > criminals, who terrorized women and children.
> >
> > Your sanitized history where soldiers were nobles and nobody ever
> > committed any crimes does not hold any truth. The Muslim armies
never
> > comitted any atrocities in India these are just lies.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Of course! You say: "The Muslim armies never comitted any atrocities
in
> India these are just lies" - Why don't you cover your ears and shout
> "La la la la la". Or better yet, shout "Allah ill la Allah ill la
Allah
> ill la".
> The atrocities of the Mughal half-dicks, against innocent women and
> children, are well documented. They killed millions of innocent
> civilians, just for a few bits of gold. The cowards (i.e. Pakistanis),
> converted to Islam, to save their ass. The brave and the noble (i.e.
> Hindus and Sikhs) remained with their own religion, and fought them
till
> the mangy dogs became doggy doo-doo.
The Muslim armies fought valiant battles against Indian armies and
defeated them. There was bloodshed and civilians were killed but there
was no atrocities or genocide. The Hindu temples were filled with
golden idols with diamonds when rest of Indian population lived in
poverty except Brahmans.
If Muslims wanted to convert the non-Muslim population to Islam then
today South Asia would have be over 90% Muslim. The non-Muslim
conversion to Islam was mainly due to Muslim Sufis whose tombs dot the
landscape in South Asia.
Farhan Siddiqui
richard
In this article I shall describe the Islamic Paradise or Jannat which was
invented by Prophet Mohammed to bribe the Arabs into committing hedious
crimes by promising them materialistic things which they couldn't obtain in
the harsh desert. The paradise contains six important items: beautiful
virgins, young boys, water, wine, fruits and wealth.
To prove my point I have taken verses from the Koran and quotes from the
Hadiths.
VIRGINS (HOURIS)
Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous
followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves
and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get
untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed is clearly expressing his "high"
opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the
followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the
fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with 'Houris' (beautiful
virgins). Not only that, the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the
pleasure of their husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait,
Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their
husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.
The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 78:31
As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and
vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing
cup.
Koran 37:40-48
...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered
eggs of ostriches.
Koran 44:51-55
...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)
Koran 52:17-20
...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris
(virgins) we shall wed them...
Koran 55:56-57
In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched
before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"
Koran 55:57-58
Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord
will you deny ?"
Koran 56:7-40
...We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving
companions for those on the right hand.. "
Koran 55:70-77
"In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair... Dark eyed virgins
sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before..
In the Hadiths, Mohammed goes one step further and expands the promise of
virgins to include a free sex market where there is no limit of the number
of sexual partners. Women and young boys are on display as if in a fruit
market where you can choose the desired ripeness.
Quote from Hadiths
Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market
wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and
women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them."
YOUNG BOYS
Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic conutries. To please
the homosexuals among his followers he promised them pre-pubescent boys in
Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life,
the followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths who are
fresh like pearls.
The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 52:24
Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls
well-guarded.
Koran 56:17
Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.
Koran 76:19
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest
them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.
As mentioned in my previous article, famous poets in Arabia glorified
homosexuality. As an example I am including a poem in 'Perfumed Garden' by
Abu Nuwas:
O the joy of sodomy!
So now be sodomites, you Arabs.
Turn not away from it--
therein is wondrous pleasure.
Take some coy lad with kiss-curls
twisting on his temple
and ride as he stands like some gazelle
standing to her mate.
A lad whom all can see girt with sword
and belt not like your whore who has
to go veiled.
Make for smooth-faced boys and do your
very best to mount them, for women are
the mounts of the devils
Need I say anything more after this colorful rendition by Abu Nuwas ?
WATER
One of the major problems in the desert of Arabia was shortage of pure
water. Mohammed knew very well that to the Arabians, fresh water was an item
of luxury. So promising them abundant pure water, river, fountains and
springs in paradise would defintely lure them to murder, loot and plunder
people of other religions in this life.
The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 13:35
This is the paradise which the righteous have been promised: it is watered
by running streams..
Koran 3:198
As for those that fear their Lord, theirs shall be gardens watered by
running streams in which they will abide for ever, and a goodly welcome from
God...
Koran 3:136
...These shall be rewarded with forgiveness from their Lord and with gardens
watered by running streams, where they shall dwell forever. Blessed is the
reward of those who do good works..
Koran 15:45
The righteous (will be) amid gardens and fountains (of clear flowing water)
Koran 22:23
As for those who have faith and who do good work, God will admit them to
gardens watered by running streams..
Koran 47:15
Here is a Parable Of the Garden which the righteneous are promised: In it
are rivers of water incorruptible;
Koran 55:50-51
In them each will be two springs flowing free; Then which of the favours of
your Lord will you deny ?
Koran 55:66-67
In them will be Two Springs pouring forth water in continuous abundance:Then
which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?
Koran 44:51-55
As for the righteous, they shall be lodged in peace together amidst gardens
and fountains...
Koran 56:7-40
...They shall recline on couches raised on high in the shade of thornless
Lote trees and talhs; amidst gushing water...
WINE
Mohammed had to find more selling points besides virgins, young boys and
plenty of water. What good would be of Paradise without rivers of wine for
his followers? Wine was an extremely precious commodity in the dry deserts
of Arabia where it was rare to find vineyards. Mohammed had a problem here-
he had to include wine in his 'Paradise-Package' but how could he include it
in the list when Allah had declared intoxicants as sinful. The only way to
do this was to somehow claim that the wine in the promised Paradise was not
intoxicating and therefore not sinful. Never mind the fact that wine by
nature contains alcohol which is intoxicating.
The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 47:15
Here is a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised. In it
are...rivers of wine...
Koran 37:40-48
But the true servants of God shall be well provided for,...they shall be
served with goblet filled at a gushing fountain, white and delicious to
those who drink it. It will neither dull their senses nor befuddle them.
Koran 56:7-40
They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shalt wait on
them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine:
Koran 83:23-26
The righteous will surely dwell in bliss. Reclining upon soft couches they
will gaze around them: and in their faces you shall mark the glow of joy.
They shall be given a pure wine to drink, securely sealed, whose very dregs
are musk...
FRUITS
So far Mohammed has presented a very appetizing picture of Paradise, but
then it struck him that sex is no fun on an empty stomach. Besides that one
needs lots of nutrition in order to have the energy to perform with so many
Houris and young boys. The prophet was an expert on this subject having
honoured every one of his numerous wives and mistresses with a nightly
visitation on one single night. Besides the only fruits he had ever gotten
to taste in this life was some dates and dry pomegranates. So heaven had to
be furbished with an inexhaustible supply of every variety of fruits.
The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 13:35
This is the paradise which the righteous have been promised.. eternal are
its fruits, and eternal are its shades..
Koran 37:40-48
But the true servants of God shall be well provided for, festing on fruit
and honoured in the gardens of delight...
Koran 43:68-73
...Such will be the garden of which ye are made heirs for your deeds. Ye
shall have therein abundance of fruit, from which ye shall have
satisfaction.
Koran 47:15
Here is a Parable Of the Garden which the righteneous are promised: ...In it
are rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy
to those who drink; And rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for
them all kinds of fruits; And grace from their Lord..
Koran 55:47-49
Containing all kinds of trees and delights.Then which of the favours of your
Lord will you deny ?
Koran 55:52-53
In them there will be fruits of every kind, two and two. Then which of the
favours of your Lord will you deny ?
Koran 55:54-55
...The fruit of the gardens will be near and easy to reach. Then which of
the favours of your Lord will you deny ?
Koran 55:68-69
In them will be Fruits, And dates and pomegranates: Then which of the
favours of your Lord will you deny ?
Koran 44:51-55
...Secure against all ills, they shall call for every kind of fruit..
Koran 56:7-40
They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shalt wait on
them immortal youths with ...fruits of their own choices and flesh of fowls
that they relish..
Koran 76:13-21
...Reclining there upon soft couches, they shall feel neither the scorching
heat nor the biting cold. Trees will spread their shade around them, and
fruits will hang in clusters over them...
But the best was yet to come. The highlight of life in Islamic Pardise is
the fact that one doesn't have to go to the toilet. All merciful Allah had
miraculously provides a much better system for getting rid of body waste.
You simple sweat it out (probably after all that sex or belch after
consuming all that fruit and wine)
Quote from the Hadiths:
Sahih Muslim Book 39, Number 6798, Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:
I heard Allah's Apostle (pbuh) as saying that the inmates of Paradise would
eat and drink but would neither spit, nor pass water, nor void excrement,
nor suffer catarrh. It was said: Then, what would happen with food?
Thereupon he said: They would belch and sweat (and it would be over with
their food), and their sweat would be that of musk and they would glorify
and praise Allah as easily as you breathe."
WEALTH
Mohammed wanted to ensure that his followers would not be obsessed with
'worldly things' in this life. So he made sure that they have plenty of
worldly things to pursue in heaven.
The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 22:23
As for those who have faith and who do good work, God will admit them to
gardens watered by running streams. They shall be decked with pearls and
bracelets of gold, and arrayed in garments of silk.
Koran 43:68-73
Enter ye the Garden, Ye and your wives, in beauty and rejoicing. To them
will be passed round, dishes and goblets of gold: there will be there all
that soul could desire, all that the eyes could delight in: and ye shall
abide there in..
Koran 55:70-77
..They shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets. Then which of the
favours of your Lord will you deny ?
Koran 44:51-55
As for the righteous, they shall be lodged in peace together amidst gardens
and fountains, arrayed in rich silks and fine brocade...
Koran 55:54-55
They will recline on carpets, whose inner linings will be of rich brocade...
Koran 56:7-40
They shall recline on jewelled couches..
Koran 76:13-21
..They shall be arrayed in garments of fine green silk and rich brocade,and
adorned with bracelets of silver..
Mohammed's promise of an Islamic Paradise that glittered with the
fulfillment of all sorts of wordly desires and sense enjoyment was nothing
but a sinister ploy to recruit those who had no hope or expectation of ever
getting these things in their present lives. Knowing that they are assured
of such a Paradise simply because they follow Islam, Muslims can go around
committing murder, rape plunder and loot. It is the picture of this paradise
that has motivated Muslims over the centuries to cut down people of other
religions, to desecrate their places of worship and mistreat them in the
name of Allah. Even after death, the spritually deprived Prophet of Islam
could not see beyond wine, women and food, leave alone exploring spiritual
heights of the soul.
Farhan Siddiqui wrote in message <8jm835$utn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <8jm18j$qih$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> darkf...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> In article <395d6550.8623950@news>,
>> farhan_...@my-deja.com (Farhan Siddiqui) wrote:
>> > > >According to Hindu sites in Mahabharata war
>> > > >millions of people were
>> > > >killed. This proves that Hindus have committed
>> > > >genocide.
>>
>> > >This proves that you have little brain.
>> > >You haven't responded my question about
>> > >what you understand by "genocide"?
>> >
>> > The genocide is deliberate extermination of a people or a race.
>>
>> And when did a 'race' be 'exterminated' in the Mahabharatha?? The
>> Kauravas were the Govt. and military of a kingdom, as were the
>Pandavas
>> for theirs. The battle was beteen two armies OF THE SAME RACE!!! So
>even
>> if ALL Kauravas were killed, that still cannot be the 'elimination of
>a
>> race'. And FYI, Hindus are brave noble warriors who faught on
>> battlefields, ONLY during the day. The battles are strictly between
>> armies...
>
>How can documented murder of 4 million people in ancient South Asia be
>so trivialized ? Even today 140 million Pakistanis facing belligerent
>India has an army of only 500,000 troops. The ancient South Asian were
>even less than 10 million in circa 1000 BC and they probably mobilized
>all men between 13-65 to fight this war. The death 4 million men could
>be considered a genocide of men in Mahabharata war.
>
>> how SO unlike Muhammad and his band of raping thugs and
>> criminals, who terrorized women and children.
>
>Your sanitized history where soldiers were nobles and nobody ever
>committed any crimes does not hold any truth. The Muslim armies never
>comitted any atrocities in India these are just lies.
>
>> The good part about this article, was it shows the nobleness of
>Hindus,
>> as opposed to the treachous genocide of Muhammad, who incited violence
>> against innocent civillians of entire religions and societies!
>
>It is Vedic Brahmans invadors that comitted genocide and ethnic
>cleansing of Dalit and Dravidians. Brahui are Dravidian speaking people
>found in Baluchistan mountains in Pakistan far from Dravidian speaking
>South India. In between these two areas lie the domain of Vedic Aryan
>speaking people that destroyed and took over tha lands of the natives.
>The lower you go in the caste hierarchy closer you come to the original
>inhabitants of South Asia.
>
>Farhan Siddiqui
>
Neil Ozman
punished.
for planning to oppress the people for their own gains, they raped and
insulted women,
they disobeyed God's laws.
On the other hand in Islam the above is fine as long as the women and people
are
non-Muslims.
Kazuya Mishima
means. Look it up. The mahabharat was a war between warriors. What the
muslims do in indonesia, that's genocide. What they did when they wen
to india, that's genocide.
First understand the difference between war of warriors, and jihady
cowards killing villagers right now there in indonesia.
Sunil
always show their teeth when together. They are not like lions who fight
alone.
Mob violence in Gujarat is an example of that. "Peaceful" gujaratis always
resort to mob violence. Otherwise they are "very peaceful" like Gandhi and
never dare to touch anyone.
Mahabhartha is a story of deceit and treachery. How much can you color
with movies? The basic theme remains same.
Sunil (A proud Dalit)
Mo wrote:
> Make up your mind . Either Hindus are cowards or they can kill
> millions..
> i, 30 Jun 2000 22:11:22 GMT, Farhan Siddiqui
> <farhan_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> In article <395D0F4E...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk>,
> "V.C.Vijayaraghavan" <00...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > Farhan Siddiqui wrote:
> >
> > > Are you suggesting that Mahabharata is not history but mythology ?
> >
> > Yes, it is not history as know it now.
>
> Is Mahabharata as a whole a mythology ?
>
> Farhan Siddiqui
Naumann Jamil Butt
shams haason
Assuming you are from India, and that I have visited north and south india a
couple
of times recently, can you say for sure that Indians hindus...high-caste ones,
are
all the same ?
And do they change when outside India ? e.g when they move to US.
The reason I say this, is because of my numerous wonderful and decent indian
hindu friends and colleagues who are very different from what I read on scp
and sci !
In fact, I was going to show them these messages posted by "educated" indian
hindus on scp and and sci...however, I have decided against it. And my reason
for that is, that, I think I will be hurting them more than enlightening them
!
You know christians and muslims have historically been invading countries
either religiously or materially, and proscribing their faith over others for
centuries...and in
US we know this and understand this well.
However, this hindu fanaticism and fundamentalist terrorism from extremist
"educated" hindus is something new to us in US. We have always viewed hindus
as
peaceful and decent ...people who avoided violence and terrorism that has been
domain of christian and muslim fanatics.
What nettles me more is that when you read history, moguls/afgans didnot
invade to Islamicise hindustan...their motives were territorial, and the large
muslim minority in india is derived from the muslim fakirs or 'saints" or
holymen who settled down a thousand or so years ago in hindustan. These are
the guys whome hindus came to for salvation and coverted to islam.
On my recent trips to India I was told by my sindhi hindu hosts in new delhi
about a muslim fakir-holyman in Ajmer/Rajastan, whome they have been
"mureed" for years...and that led me to begin my study of these islamic
holymen and their role in spread of islam in India.
Thx
Bhangi
Mo
Dalits are cowards or rats ? How would you like it ?..
When immigrants went to the West and faced discrimination they didnt
condemn all whites with their hatred and ask for them to be killed .
Once they got equal rights -and this was a lot AFTER -India gave equal
rights to its Dalits and black tribals -they made use of the
oppurtunity to get to the top . Who cares if the natives treat one
with contempt as long as the govt is on your side and gives you equal
rights under the law ..
Chirag Patnaik
this:
>:|High-caste hindus are cowards, Mo. They are like "gidars" or rats who
>:|always show their teeth when together. They are not like lions who fight
>:|alone.
you are generalising again Sunil. It antagonises people.
Chirag
Mo
different from the Brahmins you hate irrationaly whose only crime is
that they gave up their place for Dalits in reservations..
Sunil
Mo wrote:
> You might want to think . Every Sikh Guru was a high caste Hindu ,
So what Mo, the RSS stool pigeon you are.
If they were high-castes, they treated it as man-made useless phenomenon. In fact, Guru
Nanak Dev refused to wear stupid janjus and Guru Ravidass Ji earlier than Guru Nanak dev
had opened his chest to display the real janjus in his heart. He stressed that these
threads worn by brahmins are unreal and useless. He showed that what you are looking for
is inside your heart.
> no
> different from the Brahmins
The brahmins we want to straighten up are the bigots. Good Brahmins are good dalits and
good dalits are good brahmins. Brahmins as a word doesn't mean anything.
Mo, do some thinking other than bashing muslims.
> you hate irrationaly whose only crime is
> that they gave up their place for Dalits in reservations..
They didn't give up reservations. There wouldn't have been a brahmin in India had this
not happened. They may not still exist in India in future, if they don't change their
attitudes. They don't have any choice except to shed their bigotry and notions of false
greatness.
No brahmin has been produced by India of the same calibre of Dr. Ambedkar. They have been
educating their kids for thousands of years but to no avail. We started it in past 50
years and see what we got. Shame on you bigoted brahmins.
Straighten up and shed bigotry and contribute to the progress of India. Don't let this
country enslaved again by your treasons and deceit. It is in your blood. Get some
faithful and brave blood of dalits in your veins. Have intermarriage with dalits to
improve your genes thus producing more strong-willed chidren and not pot-bellied and
flubbery offsprings.
Sunil (A proud Dalit)
shams
I donot like these rabid muslim and hindu posters who seem to have serious
mental problems...:-)
You may be a breadth of fresh air here....I am hoping anyway...can you throw
some light on the direction you think india is moving internally as a nation of many
nations....?
I am intrigued by your mail regarding dalits and brahmins...having recently visited
india twice, albeit briefly, I had mixed experiences travelling north and south india.
Frankly, do you think there is real progress being made in india from the grass roots
in abolishing an age old racist caste system and do you see visible progress being made ?
Thx
Shams
Sunil
Mo wrote:
> Sunil <su...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >We started it in past 50
> years and see what we got. Shame on you bigoted brahmins.<
> If Dalits are doing so well under Brahmin rule in India what are you
> moaning about ? If your arguement is that Brahmins should accept
> Dalits as friends then it is already happening - Ambedkar's wife was a
> Brahmin - but the govt cant legislate - you have to prove you are a
> good human by not using mother and sister galees ..
And when did I do that in my last post Mo. I reserve it for bigots only. I think
you are more colorful than that (like idols) ;-).
Sunil (A proud Dalit)
Mo
jehan...@my-deja.com
I am a new visitor to these discussions, and like you, a Pakistani
Muslim.
Although I disagree with many things that have happened in India, I
also disagree with many things that have happened in Pakistan and still
continue to happen.
In any case, the general tenor of these discussions have deteriorated
to name calling and vituperative prose, and does not help the cause.
We all know that whatever we may feel individually, we all are alike,
Hindu or Muslim. We all eat the same food, speak the same language, and
also look the same.
If we resort to name calling in the name of Allah, I do not believe the
cause can be helped.
I have many Hindu friends that are very close to me, yet I remain a
staunch muslim, with many more muslim friends, and we have lively
discussions on these issues, yet refrain from name calling and the
obsceneties I regularly see here.
In the name of Allah, I implore that we do not fall for the temptation
of the devil (including the ones in Pakistan and India) to fight among
ourselves (Indians and Pakistanis) and thereby not progress in our
intellectual debates.
I also would like to point out that the doings of our ancestors (mine
were from Iran and India) do not and should not reflect on the current
life or status of anybody, Indian or Pakistani, Hindu or Muslim.
Inshallah, let us be friendly in this forum and get our adversaries to
listen to us, rather than to hate us.
Sincerely,
Jehangir Zia.
jehan...@my-deja.com
Sincerely,
Jehangir Zia.
--
LaHillaha Illalah, Mohammaduur rasullalah!!
Nitin Batra
> staunch muslim, with many more muslim friends, and we have lively
> discussions on these issues, yet refrain from name calling and the
> obsceneties I regularly see here.
>
> In the name of Allah, I implore that we do not fall for the temptation
> of the devil (including the ones in Pakistan and India) to fight among
> ourselves (Indians and Pakistanis) and thereby not progress in our
> intellectual debates.
>
> I also would like to point out that the doings of our ancestors (mine
> were from Iran and India) do not and should not reflect on the current
> life or status of anybody, Indian or Pakistani, Hindu or Muslim.
>
> Inshallah, let us be friendly in this forum and get our adversaries to
> listen to us, rather than to hate us.
Jehangir Zia Zindabad
Vijay S. Bajwa
were Pakistani, like brothers to me. We talked about
everything, incl. Kashmir, yet, surrpisingly, without
the least rancour. There was always such genuine mutual
respect, not like "how are you", "theek-thaak" and the
like, because grad school is like a concentration camp,
you're in it night and day with your fellow sufferers.
I can truly say, these Pakistanis genuinely respected our
traditions, as I respected theirs. We even got together for
Diwali, and put up a stall at the IA mela. These people
who are posting hatred on the net do not have any Indian
friends, they just distill their news from the net, and
other sources (Indian ones too, but when are Indians less
critical of happenings in their own backyard?) and rush
to judge a whole country.
They are such prisoners of their own backgrounds and prejudices.
They will never be the richer for having been exposed to
other people and the way they live, think and act. And, as
for Indians and Pakistanis, there is not that much difference,
although, I can always tell a Pakistani when he utters his
first word, "theek-thaak!"
--
Vijay S. Bajwa
"Great minds think for themselves"
jehan...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Siddiqui Sahib,
>
> I am a new visitor to these discussions, and like you, a Pakistani
> Muslim.
>
> Although I disagree with many things that have happened in India, I
> also disagree with many things that have happened in Pakistan and still
> continue to happen.
>
> In any case, the general tenor of these discussions have deteriorated
> to name calling and vituperative prose, and does not help the cause.
>
> We all know that whatever we may feel individually, we all are alike,
> Hindu or Muslim. We all eat the same food, speak the same language, and
> also look the same.
>
> If we resort to name calling in the name of Allah, I do not believe the
> cause can be helped.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jehangir Zia.