ORIGINS OF RED HAIR AND GREEN EYES???
singh
Italians that red hair and green eyes were a nordic trait and came from the
Vikings or Celts...
If you're from India, do you know of anyone with red hair and green eyes
and can you please tell me the caste, region, jati (tribal link) etc. if
possible?
MikeM
descent. You Indians of India along with certain Pre-Indo-European people
originiated in the Caucasus mountains just located North East of Turkey.
They along with with many other tribes in the Caucasus had dark but straight
hair, and most were fair skinned.
The Vikings were originally from Noth Libya of Africa and went North in to
the Carpathian Mountains and the Caucasus at a much later date. There were
no viking invasions in India! The most that could be said about invasions
was that they went to Italy where the Etruscans were present and joined with
the Celts to form the Romans.
The human species was formerly classified into the Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and
Negroe racial groups.
I manually flipped through my gage Canadian dictionary for the definition of
Caucasian.
Caucasian 1. a native or inhabitant of the Caucasus, a mountainous region in
the S Soviet Union. 2. Caucasoid. -adj. 1 of or having to do with the
Caucasus or its inhabitants. 2 Caucasoid.
Cau-ca-soid -adj. 1 European (def 2). 2 Obsolete. of or having to do with
the racial group including the European and Indian races. The human species
was formerly classified into the Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroe racial
groups. -n European (def 3). 2 a member of the European or Indian race.
Another entry from an online dictionary is as follows:
Anthropology. Of or being a major human racial classification traditionally
distinguished by physical characteristics such as very light to brown skin
pigmentation and straight to wavy or curly hair, and including peoples
indigenous to Europe,(note present basques) northern Africa, western Asia,
and India. No longer in scientific use. See Usage Note at race1. Of or
relating to the Caucasus region or its peoples, languages, or cultures. Of
or relating to a group of three language families spoken in the region of
the Caucasus mountains, including Chechen, Abkhaz, and the Kartvelian
languages.
Anthropology. A member of the Caucasian racial classification. Not in
scientific use. A native or inhabitant of the Caucasus. The Caucasian
language family.
So it seems the present Basques have the longest living history as being
Europeans and true Caucasians. I have racial characteristics most prominent
in the Y chromosome present in Pre-IndoEuropean inhabitants such as bodily
hair, sideburns, somewhat darkish to pale coloured skin, shorter arm length,
hazel eyes, no carved buttocks, double chin, and most importantly the
rh-factor which occurs in some Europeans and is absent in most
Africans.Obviously not characteristic of the Negroe or Asian. And probably
somewhat off the present Indo-European of later Celtic and Anglo stock who
lacks the bodily hair, rh- factor, and double chin. They have blond golden
locks, lack bodily hair (similar to Negroe), have a chin without a dimple
(similar to Negroe) and belong to the O or B blood group which is a
recessive and dominant trait unlike unlike O rh-(note the high proportion of
Negroes who belong to blood group B)
http://www.bloodbook.com/world-abo.html ). Weaker and inferior recessive
genes such as blond hair are the result of the blond tribe having thier
genes adapting to environment rather than the other way around. They lived
in the North, but they let the environment take over their genes which is
different from Inuit(Eskimo), or my tribe which has survived living in the
North with or without hats, and a stronger more resilient DNA for dark hair
which occurs in most asians and was present in cro magnon man. They were in
Europe and the Caucasus about 26,000 years ago. The blond tribe was still in
North Libya of Africa who may have mixed with the Africans and the tribes in
the Carpathian mountains who were blonde women who knew how to make hats. It
seems the original tribes of the Carpathian mountains were women who were
very creative women who wandered into the Caucasus and the Carpathian
mountains with thier men, and where much more creative women who knew how to
make clothing and hats.
Academics are in agreement that the blond tribe then fanned out to northern
and western Europe. Similar migrations took place from the Caucasus but
archaeologists also tell us that they cannot have been in the Caucasus or
the Ukraine for more than 8,000 years. So where did they come from if they
were not Caucasians? It so happens that there was another population of
blond people, located on the north east coast of Libya in North Africa,
especially in Cyrenaica, which is wedged between Libya and Egypt, and which
may well be the place where the original blond mutation came about.
http://www.islandnet.com/~edonon/RH-NEG.htm
It seems my tribe was in Europe while yours wandered out of Africa a bit
later and got a bit of an upper hand when discovering metal in Greece.
http://www.islandnet.com/~edonon/eskimo.htm
http://www.concentric.net/~Maguire/Hill.pdf
Negroes have no double chin, lack bodily hair, have carved buttocks, and
most belong to the O+ blood group.
More info:
http://www.islandnet.com/~edonon/RH-NEG.htm
http://www.concentric.net/~Maguire/Hill.pdf
(The Caucasus mountains are just located North East of Turkey)
Actually there were two tribes who maybe of the same genetic stock and spoke
the same language that originated in the Caucasus about 26,000 years ago.
One was of the North of the Caucasus while one was to the South who were the
Basque. From the time of 26,000 years and before, the earth had no
glaciation and was quite warm. From 26,000 years ago and after, the earth
started to gradually experience a global cooling so that by 20,000 years ago
almost 25% of the earth was covered in glaciers. Glaciers were mostly in the
North of Russia as appossed to those just occuring North of the Himilayas.
While reindeer were just to the South of the gaciers and just only North of
Himilyans, this may have giving those reindeer a 100 mile wide gap beteween
those glaciers and the Himilayas of China on thier trek to Japan.(Of course
the Milankovitch Cycles may have had an effect.
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/seasons_orbit.html )
The tribes of the so called Ainu made a trek across Russia just above the
Himilyas in search of reindeer who were abundant at the time. They
eventually got to the coast of the Sea of Okhotsk maybe 16,000 years
agowhere they found Ainu of Japan.
From there it was all easy sailing to the West coast of America and the
Antarctic of Canada
http://www.islandnet.com/~edonon/eskimo.htm
The Basque went south in search of reinder when the cold climate appeared.
They did this until getting to Turkey when wandering riendeer sought warmer
weather on mosses and lichens. This stretches all the way into Europe and
all of theses people followed thier migrating routes of reindeer in to the
Mountains with all reindeer eating lichens as there dietery food suppy, and
a vegetarian meal of lichens were kept as food for the Basque themselves.
They went so far as to the Mountains of Morroco, the Basque peninsula,
Ireland and Even Arctic Finmark.
I think the blond tribe is more closer to the Negroe genetically, and they
only got a bit of an advantage when discovewring Metal in Greece.
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Inger E
you missed more than a part when you wrote:
"The Vikings were originally from Noth Libya of Africa and went North in to
the Carpathian Mountains and the Caucasus at a much later date. "
The Scandinavians as well as the Wends entered Scandinavia not from the
Caucasus area but from the English islands and central Europe when the Ice
Coat withdraw. There were a large Sea Yoldia Sea in east followed by lots of
swamps down to Moscow area more than 5000 years after the first farmer had
settled in Sweden!
Good Night.
Inger E
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I've never heard of this before.
singh
talking about the combination of the two...i.e. red hair AND green eyes
together, which I believe is quite rare even amongst europeans. Red hair
and green eyes together are supposed to be a dual inherited trait like
blond hair and blue eyes.Red hair is the rarest hair color in the world and
green eyes is pretty rare as well except among central asians and europeans.
Now red hair, green eyes AND relatively fair skin and "caucasoid" features
would mean some sort of racial affinity not some accident of nature.
I would think the combination of the three would NOT be a genetic fluke but
would be inherited and would be prevalent only in very few tribes...
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> Scríobh singh :
> There are redhaired people on every continent on Earth. The trait has
> arisen independently several times.
>
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> Oh, yes. Red hair has risen independantly and so has green eyes...I'm
> talking about the combination of the two...i.e. red hair AND green eyes
> together, which I believe is quite rare even amongst europeans. Red hair
> and green eyes together are supposed to be a dual inherited trait like
> blond hair and blue eyes.Red hair is the rarest hair color in the world and
> green eyes is pretty rare as well except among central asians and europeans.
> Now red hair, green eyes AND relatively fair skin and "caucasoid" features
> would mean some sort of racial affinity not some accident of nature.
Depends on how you define "green". "Red hair and green eyes" is a
stereotype description of the Irish. In Scandinavia, people with red
hair usually have blue eyes. Second most common eye color is brown.
Green, genetically speaking, is just a variation of brown. I haven't
seen any redheads with truely green eyes, but plenty with brown or
hazel. The color red of the hair is usually darker, too. The
pale-skinned, freckle-faced "carrot top" has blue eyes.
> I would think the combination of the three would NOT be a genetic fluke
> but would be inherited and would be prevalent only in very few tribes...
Genetic flukes are inherited. Many couples where one is blonde and the
other brunette end up with a red-headed kid. No hanky-panky. Just a
dorment gene that reappeared.
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singh
hair and green eyes in my caste and family line. Our caste, Avadvanshi
kshatriyas (warriors from Ayodhya) which is very small in number (not more
than 1million)and quite prominent land owners in the region of India's seat
of ancient empire (Magadh) which is located now in the state of Bihar in
north east India. We, along with Yadavs, are considered to be the original
tribes that settled northern India. That would mean that Aryans were indeed
from outside and were the first major settlers of the gangetic plains.
Indian civilization before was confined only to eastern Iran, Afghanistan
and modern Paki land to Gujurat.
My tribe is very different from other neo warrior castes in India:
1)they consider themselves to be superior to brahmins which is what all
ancient warriors of Aryan descent used to think since Aryan warriors knew
enough about Aryan rituals to not need a brahmin for basic prayers and
spiritual practices and were actually superior to brahmins in spiritual
knowledge and scripture. Brahmins were only keepers and teachers of ancient
knowledge, the warriors protected brahmins for their own descendants.
2)Their rituals are quite ancient and different from the neo Indians who
claim to be Aryans just because they are fair but have none of the ancient
Arya rituals that would distinguish them as Arya. Generally the people from
northwestern India were considered mleccha tribes or foreign tribes that
were non Aryan.
3) They consider themselves to be the most closest relation to the solar
race, or suryavanshis, descended from Ishvaku whose most prominent
descendant was Rama of the sanskrit epic Ramayana, and of course most famous
of all Buddha . The Yadavas, most famous descendants were Krishna and the
warriors of the sanskrit epic Mahabharata, another prominent Arya warrior
race ( writers of the Bhagwad Gita) who supposedly split during ancient
times.
4) They are small in number but continue to be very fierce fighters and
noone messes around with them. They know they are descended from warriors
since every prominent family owns a
sword, iron shield and spear and continued to train in martial arts. Of
course now the martial tradition is in decline thanks to education.
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unglued
> Italians that red hair and green eyes were a nordic trait and came from the
> Vikings or Celts...
Red hair is the result of a recessive genetic trait causing a faulty
receptor protein on the surface of pigment-producing cells. The cells
are rendered insensitive to a hormone that instructs them to make
melanin. It would be strange if this "disability" came from one source
only.
Shishir Yerramilli
> Of course I am asking this question since there have been rare cases of red
> hair and green eyes in my caste and family line.
My caste has often blue eyes and brown hair.However this need not be
due to foreign influence.
Our caste, Avadvanshi
> kshatriyas (warriors from Ayodhya) which is very small in number (not more
> than 1million)
I am sure they are greater than just 1 million ,perhaps they are
known by different names....
and quite prominent land owners in the region of India's seat
> of ancient empire (Magadh) which is located now in the state of Bihar in
> north east India. We, along with Yadavs, are considered to be the original
> tribes that settled northern India.
By whom?
That would mean that Aryans were indeed
> from outside
There is little evidence to show this....
and were the first major settlers of the gangetic plains.
> Indian civilization before was confined only to eastern Iran, Afghanistan
> and modern Paki land to Gujurat.
Actually the Rig Veda points to an opposite direction ie from the
Gangetic valley to Gujarat,Pakistan,Afghanistan etc.Whether they
further travelled west is an open question.
>
> My tribe is very different from other neo warrior castes in India:
> 1)they consider themselves to be superior to brahmins which is what all
> ancient warriors of Aryan descent used to think since Aryan warriors knew
> enough about Aryan rituals to not need a brahmin for basic prayers and
> spiritual practices and were actually superior to brahmins in spiritual
> knowledge and scripture. Brahmins were only keepers and teachers of ancient
> knowledge, the warriors protected brahmins for their own descendants.
>
> 2)Their rituals are quite ancient and different from the neo Indians who
> claim to be Aryans just because they are fair but have none of the ancient
> Arya rituals that would distinguish them as Arya. Generally the people from
> northwestern India were considered mleccha tribes or foreign tribes that
> were non Aryan.
>
> 3) They consider themselves to be the most closest relation to the solar
> race, or suryavanshis, descended from Ishvaku whose most prominent
> descendant was Rama of the sanskrit epic Ramayana, and of course most famous
> of all Buddha . The Yadavas, most famous descendants were Krishna and the
> warriors of the sanskrit epic Mahabharata, another prominent Arya warrior
> race ( writers of the Bhagwad Gita) who supposedly split during ancient
> times.
>
> 4) They are small in number but continue to be very fierce fighters and
> noone messes around with them. They know they are descended from warriors
> since every prominent family owns a
> sword, iron shield and spear and continued to train in martial arts. Of
> course now the martial tradition is in decline thanks to education.
This is regrettable...Why cant education encompass such traditions
also?Why is education in India so one track?
singh
"Shishir Yerramilli" <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "singh" <poo...@acedsl.com> wrote in message
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> > Of course I am asking this question since there have been rare cases of
red
> > hair and green eyes in my caste and family line.
>
> My caste has often blue eyes and brown hair.However this need not be
> due to foreign influence.
Indus Valley civilization (2500-3500bce) and the dates of our oldest texts
the Rg Veda which mentions the flowing rivers of Saraswati, which today is
dried up. New evidence by satellite pictures suggest that the Saraswati
river dried up as early as 5000 bce and the flowing rivers mentioned in the
Rg Veda means Aryans were in India way before the Indus Valley. This would
mean the Rg Veda is actually older than the Indus Valley civilization.
Also define foreign influence... Much of ancient Indian culture was near
the cross roads of many races and admixtures. Those we call europeans too
came from somewhere else, they too were foreigners to europe. Asian
continent (including europe) was and is the most ethnically and racially
mixed continent on earth! I say a certain amount of mixing had begun a
long, long, long, long, long time ago.
Now you might ask, who were the Aryans? I say they were mostly fair, but
were still racially mixed with darker races who also prevalent in central
asia etc. as is common in central asia and middle east. This would explain
all of our varied gene pool!
The Puranas goes on to mention the burning of forests by the solar and
lunar races and creating settlements. The Ganges River too might actually
not have existed and had been a major project for irrigating the plains of
northern India. The path of the Ganges took generations and generations to
bring down to completion. WAS THE GANGA RIVER THEIR BEFORE THE INDUS
VALLEY???? I DON"T KNOW IF WE"LL EVER FIND OUT which way migration began...
The Rg Veda's sage Vishwamitra stated in the Ramayana that Gaya in the east
and Mithila was established around 2-3 generations before him...which sounds
like migration began from west to east not east to west in the beginning.
Since the Rg Veda also mentions a flowing Saraswati river (before 5000b.c)
in Rajasthan, it would make Indian migrations mentioned in the Ramayana
beginning probably around anywhere from 6000-10000 B.C.
The Ramayana than goes on to mention the south, THERE WERE SANSKRIT SPEAKING
PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH! Hanuman ancestors were speaking Sanskrit and of course
Sri Lanka was already a beautiful and developed Island and was ruled by
sanskrit speaking Ravana.
So I would push back the Aryan migrations to minimally 6000-8000BCE !
Now were the Aryans ONE race, I don't know...They were already mixed by the
time of the Ramayana, as Rama was described as dark, Mahabharata came much
later.
> Our caste, Avadvanshi
> > kshatriyas (warriors from Ayodhya) which is very small in number (not
more
> > than 1million)
>
> I am sure they are greater than just 1 million ,perhaps they are
> known by different names....
no Awadwanshis are called awadwanshis since they moved from ayodhya. Who
knows what the kshatriyas in Ayodhya are called, probably just kshatriyas??
I've never really tried to find out who our equivalents are. Khatris in
Punjab are ancient kshatriyas as well.
> and quite prominent land owners in the region of India's seat
> > of ancient empire (Magadh) which is located now in the state of Bihar in
> > north east India. We, along with Yadavs, are considered to be the
original
> > tribes that settled northern India.
>
> By whom?
by most sanksrit books...generally the warriors who owned agricultural land
were the rulers of region. Eventually the Yadavas were disowned and the
Yadavas for the most part became shepards, except for people like Krishna
who continued to take over land and become kings.
>
> That would mean that Aryans were indeed
> > from outside
>
> There is little evidence to show this....
Again, Indian civilization is very complicated in regards to direction of
migration...
>
> and were the first major settlers of the gangetic plains.
> > Indian civilization before was confined only to eastern Iran,
Afghanistan
> > and modern Paki land to Gujurat.
>
> Actually the Rig Veda points to an opposite direction ie from the
> Gangetic valley to Gujarat,Pakistan,Afghanistan etc.Whether they
> further travelled west is an open question.
>
> > 4) They are small in number but continue to be very fierce fighters and
> > noone messes around with them. They know they are descended from
warriors
> > since every prominent family owns a
> > sword, iron shield and spear and continued to train in martial arts.
Of
> > course now the martial tradition is in decline thanks to education.
>
> This is regrettable...Why cant education encompass such traditions
> also?Why is education in India so one track?
"Pharoge, likhoge, banoge nawaab!
Kheloge, kudoge, banoge kharaab!"
"by studying and reading, you will be rich! Playing and jumping you will
become bad!"
I guess martial arts is considered jumping and playing! Warriors don't get
respect anymore cause they can't conquer anybody! Before they got money by
killing people and taking over their lands...now killing people is
considered most uncool!
Mike
brown in them and they aren't as round. They are more diamond shaped.
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Mike
moles covering by body were a Caucasian trait.
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had green eyes. But not red hair though.
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> > Of course I am asking this question since there have been rare cases of
red
> > hair and green eyes in my caste and family line.
>
> My caste has often blue eyes and brown hair.However this need not be
> due to foreign influence.
The only people who have blue eyes in India are most likely due to having
their grandmothers shafted by the Arabs, and then also due to having their
mothers shafted by the ferangis. You no doubt are one such mongrel. That's
why you went running to Arabia to serve your masters and papas.
> Actually the Rig Veda points to an opposite direction ie from the
> Gangetic valley to Gujarat,Pakistan,Afghanistan etc.Whether they
> further travelled west is an open question.
Actually, you know nothing of the Rig Veda. The Rig corroborates the Aryan
invasion theory and various battle scenes elaborate on north to south
invasion from the North West region of the subcontinent. Better read the Rig
with some scientific backing instead of making up Saruthis to replace the
vedic text.
Seeker
> Of course I am asking this question since there have been rare cases of
red
> hair and green eyes in my caste and family line.
The Arabs had a field day with the Dasis from Bihar and are credited with
the introduction of these "rare" traits in your gene pool.
Bye Arab-dasi.
Kaffir Mohammad
>
>"Shishir Yerramilli" <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "singh" <poo...@acedsl.com> wrote in message
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>> > Of course I am asking this question since there have been rare cases of
>red
>> > hair and green eyes in my caste and family line.
>>
>> My caste has often blue eyes and brown hair.However this need not be
>> due to foreign influence.
>
>The only people who have blue eyes in India are most likely due to having
>their grandmothers shafted by the Arabs, and then also due to having their
>mothers shafted by the ferangis. You no doubt are one such mongrel. That's
>why you went running to Arabia to serve your masters and papas.
>
>
You have a very little knowledge.
>> Actually the Rig Veda points to an opposite direction ie from the
>> Gangetic valley to Gujarat,Pakistan,Afghanistan etc.Whether they
>> further travelled west is an open question.
>
>Actually, you know nothing of the Rig Veda. The Rig corroborates the Aryan
>invasion theory and various battle scenes elaborate on north to south
>invasion from the North West region of the subcontinent. Better read the Rig
>with some scientific backing instead of making up Saruthis to replace the
>vedic text.
>
Again, you have a very little knowledge.
>
Shishir Yerramilli
> "Shishir Yerramilli" <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "singh" <poo...@acedsl.com> wrote in message
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> > > Of course I am asking this question since there have been rare cases of
> red
> > > hair and green eyes in my caste and family line.
> >
> > My caste has often blue eyes and brown hair.However this need not be
> > due to foreign influence.
>
> The only people who have blue eyes in India are most likely due to having
> their grandmothers shafted by the Arabs, and then also due to having their
India was very much diverse even before the first Persian
invasion.This trait has nothing to do with Arabs.No Arab or Turk
invaded or conquered the area where I am from.
> mothers shafted by the ferangis. You no doubt are one such mongrel. That's
> why you went running to Arabia to serve your masters and papas.
Im afraid you are imposing your history of subjugation on mine.
>
>
> > Actually the Rig Veda points to an opposite direction ie from the
> > Gangetic valley to Gujarat,Pakistan,Afghanistan etc.Whether they
> > further travelled west is an open question.
>
> Actually, you know nothing of the Rig Veda. The Rig corroborates the Aryan
> invasion theory and various battle scenes elaborate on north to south
> invasion from the North West region of the subcontinent. Better read the Rig
> with some scientific backing instead of making up Saruthis to replace the
> vedic text.
More BS.What texts are these?Who are the kings who moved eastward and
south.How are they described?
Shishir Yerramilli
Again you expose your ignorance,Arabs never went as far as Bihar!
Dr. Cavalli-Sforza
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but Seeker, you Pakis should take great pride in being shafted by every race
known to man! ALL OF HUMANITY HAD CONQUERED YOU!
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singh
but Arabs went and conquered Pakis, left a whole bunch of bastards like
Seeker who didn't know how to count higher than 100 and thought camel urine
is just plain fine for taking a bath, just like their Arab masters!
Heck, Paki women even today dream of being shafted by Arab Osama!
singh
very, very carefully...
1) they were screwed by Persia..(never crossed Paki land)
2) they were screwed by Greeks from Greece.(Defeated by Indians)
3) they were screwed by Indians through Mauryas and Guptas (beat the shit
out of you).
4) they were screwed by Sakas.(Defeated by Indians)
5) they were screwed by Kushans...oh but they are Chinese! (Defeated by
Indians) Couldn't have gotten blue eyes from them...maybe that's why some of
you bastards are slanty eyed as well!
6) they were screwed by Huns.(Indians defeated them)
7) they were screwed by Arabs...who btw never entered India.
8) they were screwedby Afghans...defeated by Indian warriors under Gobind
Singh, Shivaji and Ranjit Singh
9) they were screwed by Mongolians...defeated by Indian warriors under
Shivaji, Gobind Singh and Ranjit Singh...
that's 9 victories for Indian warriors and 0 Paki bastard victories....
Ah, Seeker and all Pakis should take great pride in being such a thoroughly
conquered people...why you can all claim to have the blood of
conqerors...and say that you are the illegitimate bastard sons and daughters
of all the great world conquerors ...he, he, he ; )
Paki race = bastard...
Aryans of India always knew you Pakis were a bunch of bastards...that's why
they called you 'mlecchas' or people with filthy blood! Couldn't fight for
shit!
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I have red hair a darker red though and grey eyes and im so fair skinned i
burn terribly in the sun i dont tan at all only burn so i avoid the sun im
always in the shade and only in the sun for short periods of time.
Penny
Hugh Watkins
"-- kent --" <kent_r...@yahoo.dk> wrote in message news:ai9j7...@enews1.newsguy.com...
> On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 17:45:17 -0400 in <news:soc.culture.nordic> singh
> wrote:
>
> >which tribes have red hair and green eyes? I heard from a couple of
> >Italians that red hair and green eyes were a nordic trait and came from the
> >Vikings or Celts...
>
> in Ireland and Scotland (=Celts) while blonde hair and blue eyes is very
> common in Scandinavia (=Vikings).
>
> <snip>
Back to reality
red hair is a genetic variation on black hair of the Irish type
also seen on the Faeroes even in sisters
and blondes by the same more mechanism give a more auburn red
but both have sensitive freckled skin
One used to say a defect but today describing as a mutation would be better
possibly a recessive gene
Hugh W
more
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=genetic+red+hair+freckles&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.dermnetnz.org/index.html
http://www.dermnetnz.org/dna.cosderm/spotmo.html
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=ephelides&spell=1
http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic121.htm
Genetic: Freckles tend to be inherited as an autosomal dominant trait. Ephelides are found most commonly in individuals of fair skin
with blond or red hair.
Shishir Yerramilli
> "Shishir Yerramilli" <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "singh" <poo...@acedsl.com> wrote in message
> news:<10279536...@nntp.acecape.com>...
> > > Of course I am asking this question since there have been rare cases of
> red
> > > hair and green eyes in my caste and family line.
> >
> > My caste has often blue eyes and brown hair.However this need not be
> > due to foreign influence.
> Indian civilization is very confusing because of the conflicting dates of
> Indus Valley civilization (2500-3500bce) and the dates of our oldest texts
> the Rg Veda which mentions the flowing rivers of Saraswati, which today is
> dried up. New evidence by satellite pictures suggest that the Saraswati
> river dried up as early as 5000 bce and the flowing rivers mentioned in the
> Rg Veda means Aryans were in India way before the Indus Valley. This would
> mean the Rg Veda is actually older than the Indus Valley civilization.
>
> Also define foreign influence...
From the first recorded invasions(pre Islamic era)
Assyrian(7th cent B.C)
Persian(5th -4th cen B.C.)
Macedonian Greek(330 B.C.)
Scythian,Bactrian ,Kushan,Hun...(I dont remember the dates of these)
Much of ancient Indian culture was near
> the cross roads of many races and admixtures. Those we call europeans too
> came from somewhere else, they too were foreigners to europe. Asian
> continent (including europe) was and is the most ethnically and racially
> mixed continent on earth! I say a certain amount of mixing had begun a
> long, long, long, long, long time ago.
>
True.
> Now you might ask, who were the Aryans? I say they were mostly fair,
Define fair,ie Indian fairness or German ?Very little is known about
the complexion of the earliest Aryans.Many scholars are of the opinion
that Black Forest in Germany is called so because the earliest Goths
(who came into contact with the local Finnish related blonds ) were
dark skinned.
but
> were still racially mixed with darker races who also prevalent in central
> asia etc. as is common in central asia and middle east. This would explain
> all of our varied gene pool!
You dont have to go to Central Asia to explain a diverse gene pool
for Indians.
>
> The Puranas goes on to mention the burning of forests by the solar and
> lunar races and creating settlements. The Ganges River too might actually
> not have existed and had been a major project for irrigating the plains of
> northern India. The path of the Ganges took generations and generations to
> bring down to completion. WAS THE GANGA RIVER THEIR BEFORE THE INDUS
> VALLEY???? I DON"T KNOW IF WE"LL EVER FIND OUT which way migration began...
Where is Ganga first mentioned?ie which Upanishad?I know it is
mentioned in Ramayana ,however I dont know if the author is quoting
from another text or introducing it himself.
>
> The Rg Veda's sage Vishwamitra stated in the Ramayana that Gaya in the east
> and Mithila was established around 2-3 generations before him...which sounds
> like migration began from west to east not east to west in the beginning.
> Since the Rg Veda also mentions a flowing Saraswati river (before 5000b.c)
> in Rajasthan, it would make Indian migrations mentioned in the Ramayana
> beginning probably around anywhere from 6000-10000 B.C.
>
> The Ramayana than goes on to mention the south, THERE WERE SANSKRIT SPEAKING
> PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH! Hanuman ancestors were speaking Sanskrit and of course
> Sri Lanka was already a beautiful and developed Island and was ruled by
> sanskrit speaking Ravana.
>
> So I would push back the Aryan migrations to minimally 6000-8000BCE !
>
> Now were the Aryans ONE race, I don't know...They were already mixed by the
> time of the Ramayana, as Rama was described as dark, Mahabharata came much
> later.
They seem to be mixed as early as the Rg Veda.Even Iran has its dark
skinned elements.
>
>
> > Our caste, Avadvanshi
> > > kshatriyas (warriors from Ayodhya) which is very small in number (not
> more
> > > than 1million)
> >
> > I am sure they are greater than just 1 million ,perhaps they are
> > known by different names....
>
> no Awadwanshis are called awadwanshis since they moved from ayodhya. Who
> knows what the kshatriyas in Ayodhya are called, probably just kshatriyas??
In Andhra Pradesh,sub castes of Reddys and Kammas trace descent from
Ayodhya.
Same with Karnataka,Tamil Nadu etc.
> I've never really tried to find out who our equivalents are. Khatris in
> Punjab are ancient kshatriyas as well.
>
They seem to have a lot of Persian blood as well.
>
> > and quite prominent land owners in the region of India's seat
> > > of ancient empire (Magadh) which is located now in the state of Bihar in
> > > north east India. We, along with Yadavs, are considered to be the
> original
> > > tribes that settled northern India.
> >
> > By whom?
>
> by most sanksrit books...generally the warriors who owned agricultural land
> were the rulers of region. Eventually the Yadavas were disowned and the
> Yadavas for the most part became shepards, except for people like Krishna
> who continued to take over land and become kings.
>
The Gandhari's curse implied that they became disowned again.Of
course there was no physical genocide but a certain loss of identity
and prestige.
> >
> > That would mean that Aryans were indeed
> > > from outside
> >
> > There is little evidence to show this....
>
> Again, Indian civilization is very complicated in regards to direction of
> migration...
> >
> > and were the first major settlers of the gangetic plains.
> > > Indian civilization before was confined only to eastern Iran,
> Afghanistan
> > > and modern Paki land to Gujurat.
> >
> > Actually the Rig Veda points to an opposite direction ie from the
> > Gangetic valley to Gujarat,Pakistan,Afghanistan etc.Whether they
> > further travelled west is an open question.
> >
>
>
> "Pharoge, likhoge, banoge nawaab!
> Kheloge, kudoge, banoge kharaab!"
> "by studying and reading, you will be rich! Playing and jumping you will
> become bad!"
>
> I guess martial arts is considered jumping and playing! Warriors don't get
> respect anymore cause they can't conquer anybody! Before they got money by
> killing people and taking over their lands...now killing people is
> considered most uncool!
>
Yet in school it is not the four eyes who is looked upto and admired
but the athlete!What is lacking in Indian is a well rounded education
like the Americans have.
Seeker
What does this have to do with the subject of this thread? Pleae don't post
irrelavent stuff. Dasi Poonam apnay malik say aisee baat mut kar. Apnay
malik Seeker ki sada serva karo.
Wild Colonial Boy
>Oh, yes. Red hair has risen independantly and so has green eyes...I'm
>talking about the combination of the two...i.e. red hair AND green eyes
>together, which I believe is quite rare even amongst europeans. Red hair
>and green eyes together are supposed to be a dual inherited trait like
>blond hair and blue eyes.Red hair is the rarest hair color in the world and
>green eyes is pretty rare as well except among central asians and europeans.
>Now red hair, green eyes AND relatively fair skin and "caucasoid" features
>would mean some sort of racial affinity not some accident of nature.
>
>I would think the combination of the three would NOT be a genetic fluke but
>would be inherited and would be prevalent only in very few tribes...
This is a question which has occupied my thoughts. One will find lots
of very attractive red hair in Scandinavia but not the green eyes.
I am inclined to think that it is indeed a racial characteristic of -
one - of the races that makes up the modern Irish and Scottish
population. At the moment, I'm suspecting the Picts. This is a change
for me as I have previously thought of Picts as stereotypically having
black hair, blue eyes and very pale skin.
WCB
Wild Colonial Boy
wrote:
>The origins of red hair and green eyes is primarily from Scandanavian
>descent. You Indians of India along with certain Pre-Indo-European people
>originiated in the Caucasus mountains just located North East of Turkey.
>They along with with many other tribes in the Caucasus had dark but straight
>hair, and most were fair skinned.
>The Vikings were originally from Noth Libya of Africa
Errr...we're all ultimately from North Africa but I don't think this
is what you're meaning. The 'Vikings' by the very definition of the
term were from the 'Vik' meaning the area around South East Norway and
Western Sweden in particular.
WCB
Wild Colonial Boy
>Of course I am asking this question since there have been rare cases of red
>hair and green eyes in my caste and family line. Our caste, Avadvanshi
>kshatriyas (warriors from Ayodhya) which is very small in number (not more
>than 1million)and quite prominent land owners in the region of India's seat
>of ancient empire (Magadh) which is located now in the state of Bihar in
>north east India. We, along with Yadavs, are considered to be the original
>tribes that settled northern India. That would mean that Aryans were indeed
>from outside and were the first major settlers of the gangetic plains.
>Indian civilization before was confined only to eastern Iran, Afghanistan
>and modern Paki land to Gujurat.
>
>My tribe is very different from other neo warrior castes in India:
But your name is Singh? Is that a Warrior caste name? I don't think
so.
WCB
Hugh Watkins
"Wild Colonial Boy" <warre...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote
snipped
> I am inclined to think that it is indeed a racial characteristic of -
> one - of the races that makes up the modern Irish and Scottish
> population. At the moment, I'm suspecting the Picts. This is a change
> for me as I have previously thought of Picts as stereotypically having
> black hair, blue eyes and very pale skin.
antiquated and fallacious reasoning
there is only one human race - like dogs we can all interbreed
there are variations and strains, clans and tribes but out-breeding is the most healthy.
We can *never* know what the Picts look like, even if you can find a *comtemporary* description.
Picts no longer exist
Hugh W
Hugh Watkins
"Wild Colonial Boy" <warre...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message news:3d48fd18....@news.eircom.net...
No it is Sikh which is fairly new but they all bear swords or small daggers which causes problems at airport check-ins these days.
>> The Kirpan (ceremonial sword) worn by followers of the Sikh religion sometimes raises
questions or concerns among people who are unfamiliar with the religion <<
http://www.sikh-history.com/nofrmmain.html
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=site:www.sikh-history.com+singh
originally tribal people like all of us, they got some fine Guru (teachers) and became more civilised . . my UK dentist is a Sikh
via African exile
so poonam's statement is consistent if largely off topic for SCN
Hugh W
singh
> What does this have to do with the subject of this thread? Pleae don't
post
> irrelavent stuff. Dasi Poonam apnay malik say aisee baat mut kar. Apnay
> malik Seeker ki sada serva karo.
>
>
Do not worry soon we will worship Shiva in Mecca...we will free your bastard
race from Arab slavery! Then you can convert to Buddhism and contemplate
for the rest of your days on the DUKKHA of getting a BLACK EYE all the time!
singh
let's send out scrawny Gandhi! Defeated the Brits just like that! HA! HA!
Indians truly sized up British power correctly that time!
"Harald" <top-o-t...@the.world> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:28:28 -0400 in <news:soc.culture.nordic> singh
> wrote:
>
> <klipp>
>
> >that's 9 victories for Indian warriors and 0 Paki bastard victories....
>
> And you were all conquered by the British who BTW are partly Vikings since
> England was conquered by and largely settled by Vikings who were then
> defeated by other Vikings, namely the Normans from northern France (whe
> were not French but Vikings since Normandy hade been captured by and
> settled by Vikings...).
>
> That makes us Scandinavians the top of the heap doesn't it?
>
> <snip>
singh
Singh is common sir name for all warrior types, Sikhs and Hindus...it means
lion....
singh
> > Also define foreign influence...
>
> From the first recorded invasions(pre Islamic era)
> Assyrian(7th cent B.C)
> Persian(5th -4th cen B.C.)
> Macedonian Greek(330 B.C.)
> Scythian,Bactrian ,Kushan,Hun...(I dont remember the dates of these)
The Aryans were not foreigners in that case since they were the first to
settle India in a major way and they considered the above to be mlecchas
i.e. filthy foreigners!
Aryans had no racial qualms either...Aryan kings were strictly
patrilinear...the concept of 'racial' purity is a modern development not an
ancient one where most races freely mixed depending on wars and who won the
wars. Aryan and non-Aryan kings intermarried and formed marital alliances
to defeat "foreigners" or other enemies that kept them from expanding their
land and territory....however it was the paternal side which determined if
you were an Aryan.
Example: Gurkhas who actually originated from Rajasthan and were probably
hun/vedic kshatriya mixture moved to Nepal and now look totally Chinese!
You would never know their ancestors were not chinese but the caste itself
is patrilinearly set up so you would never forget!
Again let's look at it chronologically according to our ancient texts and
modern day findings...
1) Vedas mentions a flowing Saraswati river located in what is now Rajasthan
/Gujurat area..
2) Saraswati river dried up anywhere from the latest 3000b.c.- 5000 b.ce.
earliest, the dried up river bed has just been found.
3) that would make the Aryans be established in India way before the Indus
Valley was thought to have been occupied.
4) The oldest text, the Rg Veda, seems to be contemporary with the
Ramayana, since some of the writers of the Rg Veda, Vasistha and
Vishwamitra, were mentioned as Gurus in the Ramayana.
5) The Ramayana then goes on to mention generations of ancestors of Rama
starting with Manu.
6) a likely date for a people called Aryans settling in India would be
anywhere between 4000 - 7000 bce. Far earlier than historians had previously
thought.
>
> Much of ancient Indian culture was near
> > the cross roads of many races and admixtures. Those we call europeans
too
> > came from somewhere else, they too were foreigners to europe. Asian
> > continent (including europe) was and is the most ethnically and racially
> > mixed continent on earth! I say a certain amount of mixing had begun a
> > long, long, long, long, long time ago.
> >
>
> True.
>
> > Now you might ask, who were the Aryans? I say they were mostly fair,
>
> Define fair,ie Indian fairness or German ?Very little is known about
> the complexion of the earliest Aryans.Many scholars are of the opinion
> that Black Forest in Germany is called so because the earliest Goths
> (who came into contact with the local Finnish related blonds ) were
> dark skinned.
True the complexion of the Aryans was never really determined. For Example,
Rama is described as very dark, Buddha is described as golden skinned...
Krishna, Arjuna and actually all the most famous warriors were all described
as dark complexioned! The Aryans were always varied to a certain degree it
seems according to our scriptures.
But again this does not go against what I stated earlier, kings used to
inter marry with different tribes all the time for alliances or after defeat
this must've been happening throughout pre history..
>
> but
> > were still racially mixed with darker races who also prevalent in
central
> > asia etc. as is common in central asia and middle east. This would
explain
> > all of our varied gene pool!
>
> You dont have to go to Central Asia to explain a diverse gene pool
> for Indians.
Again according to Ramayana many of the Queens came from Afghanistan(
considered central asia), Gandhari, Kaikeyi, to name just a few. You have
Chinese/mongolion blood in the east.
And supposedly the people who now call themselves dravidian supposedly have
blood similar to that of meditarraneans.
>
> >
> > The Puranas goes on to mention the burning of forests by the solar and
> > lunar races and creating settlements. The Ganges River too might
actually
> > not have existed and had been a major project for irrigating the plains
of
> > northern India. The path of the Ganges took generations and generations
to
> > bring down to completion. WAS THE GANGA RIVER THEIR BEFORE THE INDUS
> > VALLEY???? I DON"T KNOW IF WE"LL EVER FIND OUT which way migration
began...
>
> Where is Ganga first mentioned?ie which Upanishad?I know it is
> mentioned in Ramayana ,however I dont know if the author is quoting
> from another text or introducing it himself.
Ramayana seems to be a contemporary of the Rg Veda...so it seems to be a
good reference in that point.
>
> In Andhra Pradesh,sub castes of Reddys and Kammas trace descent from
> Ayodhya.
> Same with Karnataka,Tamil Nadu etc.
That's quite interesting...many Magadhans settled in Andhra Pradesh, but
that was later in history. But Andhra Pradesh is more famously regarded as
the land of Vishwamitra's sons...
>
> > I've never really tried to find out who our equivalents are. Khatris in
> > Punjab are ancient kshatriyas as well.
> >
> They seem to have a lot of Persian blood as well.
as you move west, they look more middle eastern, as you move east they look
darker or more chinese as you move south they just look regular Indian...
>
> >
> > by most sanksrit books...generally the warriors who owned agricultural
land
> > were the rulers of region. Eventually the Yadavas were disowned and the
> > Yadavas for the most part became shepards, except for people like
Krishna
> > who continued to take over land and become kings.
> >
>
> The Gandhari's curse implied that they became disowned again.Of
> course there was no physical genocide but a certain loss of identity
> and prestige.
> > I guess martial arts is considered jumping and playing! Warriors don't
get
> > respect anymore cause they can't conquer anybody! Before they got money
by
> > killing people and taking over their lands...now killing people is
> > considered most uncool!
> >
> Yet in school it is not the four eyes who is looked upto and admired
> but the athlete!What is lacking in Indian is a well rounded education
> like the Americans have.
Martial arts training is far more complicated than sports. But Indians
having such an ancient martial arts tradition should be using martial arts
training in gym...
Seeker
You are actually a Moslem at heart. Come one you can kick paganism. Paganism
doesn't pay. Save your soul from eternal damnation and convert to your
master's religion.
Seeker
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> On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:28:28 -0400 in <news:soc.culture.nordic> singh
> wrote:
>
> <klipp>
>
>
> England was conquered by and largely settled by Vikings who were then
> defeated by other Vikings, namely the Normans from northern France (whe
> were not French but Vikings since Normandy hade been captured by and
> settled by Vikings...).
>
> That makes us Scandinavians the top of the heap doesn't it?
>
> <snip>
Hmmm. That would certainly explain why Devadasi Poonam is dying to have red
hair and green eyes. Must be ruler envy. She also suffers from Penis envy
but she takes care of that by worshipping Shivalingum (Shiva's Penis for
those who don't know the Hindu mumbo-jumbo).
Poonam, your Namak haram Shivaji was a fag compared to real men like Babar.
Hehehehehe.
Jai Babri Masjid.
Seeker
> Singh is common sir name for all warrior types, Sikhs and Hindus...it
means
> lion....
Singh is another name stolen by the cowardly Indians from Pakistan. The
original, life giving lion river still roars in Pakistan.
Singhs have yard long pubic hair and Poonam is a mousy dasi going through
menopause.
singh
>
> That makes us Scandinavians the top of the heap doesn't it?
I hate to tell you this but here it goes:
1) you don't have ancient blood (ancient Aryans established themselves
around 7000 years ago)
2) can't trace your ancestry whereas kshatriyas, brahmins, vaishyas and
shudras, heck even untouchables can trace their caste ancestry thousands of
years.
3) you have given up the religion of your ancestors (i.e. you were conquered
by semites)...that brings you down several notches in relation with any
ancient kshatriya from India!
4) Hitler was so inspired by Aryans, that he bombed the brits like crazy,
allowing India to be free!
5) Everyone wants to be an Aryan...nobody wants to be British...
Aryans 10, british 1...
You guys are just like the Pakistanis! It's not the race stupid, it's the
lineage and keep up of your ancestors traditions and the ferocity with which
you fight to keep those traditions alive!
Brittain will soon become an Islamic state anyway! so much for the anglos
and saxons!
Sauron Maskee
"Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101> wrote in message
You practiced infront of a mirror to post this didn't you?
>
>
Sauron Maskee
"Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101> wrote in message
No Pakistani's are Indians that just don't know it yet
>
>
ruffnready
> I am inclined to think that it is indeed a racial characteristic of -
> one - of the races that makes up the modern Irish and Scottish
> population. At the moment, I'm suspecting the Picts. This is a change
> for me as I have previously thought of Picts as stereotypically having
> black hair, blue eyes and very pale skin.
What's known of Pictish eyes ?
RR
singh
Mecca...
They pray to Allah the moon god to make them into men from eunuchs! Allah
ho Akbar means "God give us a penis!" They pray 5 times to this penis...ah
desperation!
"Seeker" <4not_
>
> Jai Babri Masjid.
>
>
singh
Pakistan?? Please read your shameful history, I just posted it -- the number
of people who ruled over you bastards is amazing!
Any lion in Paki land has lost his penis to mecca!
"Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101> wrote in message
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singh
them again! Everyone rules over these Pakis! It's in their nature to be
ruled...
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singh
to a Paki), he shafted Pakis all the time! If you're a person, you can be
sure someone from your race ruled over Pakistan...
Penis envy? Is that why Seeker bows to Arab penis in Mecca 5 times a day?
Could it be that circumcision has taken away what little penis Pakis have
had?
I think so...
"Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101> wrote in message >
singh
Islamic rule in India forever __except in slave state Pak,but than Pak was
always was a slave state!
...Shivaji was the beginning of the end of Islamic rule in India...he
destroyed Babur's son, Aurangzeb's rule in Maharastra with a teeny tiny
army!
Then came Ranjit Singh who again conquered you Pakis and Afghans (like
that's anything new)...destroying Islamic rule forever and making Paki
Seeker wonder why his ancestors were dickless and praying harder 5 times a
day to ask Allah why the Pakis never fought back?? Why Pakis were
constantly ruled by everyone?? Why, why, why?
Then of course the stupid British came when India was just about to get rid
of her muslims...well better late than never! Brittain will have to do the
same herself with the increasing muslim population in Great Britttain...
"Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101> wrote in message
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singh
>
> Actually, you know nothing of the Rig Veda. The Rig corroborates the Aryan
> invasion theory and various battle scenes elaborate on north to south
> invasion from the North West region of the subcontinent. Better read the
Rig
> with some scientific backing instead of making up Saruthis to replace the
> vedic text.
>
>
Yeah Seeker, our ancestors (mine and Shishir's) beat the shit out of you
Paki mlecchas...the Vedas says so...so does the Mahabharata...and we
constantly beat the shit out of you Pakis, repeatedly like a rape scene gone
permanent! Mahabharata and Ramayana testify to this fact!
Actually, all the races from east to south to north slaughtered you in the
Mahabharat!
Then we scewed your ancestors again with the Mauryas and Guptas and Ranjit
Singh....
then the scions of our race such as Shivaji and Gobind Singha and Ranjit
Singh beat the shit out of your muslim slave masters!
But Islam will only be destroyed when we go to mecca and worship Shiva
there...THE TIME IS COMING FOR ISLAM TO BE DESTROYED! Until then keep
worshipping the gods of your Arab masters!
singh
daughters to? God do Pakis have any self respect? But I guess a people
ruled as slaves throughout history wouldn't have any reason to have self
respect...
"Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101> wrote in message
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J Ahlstrom
I thought it was black hair, very pale eyes and blue skin.
JKA
--
Ordinarily, I wouldn't've sent something quite like that,
but I was a little fatigued and didn't have enough neurons
firing in the inhibitory parts of my frontal cortex to
prevent me from sending it.
after R Praetorius
gogs
Just wanted to know from the sulla(chopped dick)are you one of the
lost paki who babar(barbaric dirty stinking arab)fucked your
grandmother and let you rot in pakiland where all the uncivilised
madharchod lives. And followes a sick peadophile prophet(piss on him)?
singh
of hair on their backs, fronts and every nook and cranny that can possibly
exist have thick hairs sticking out of them! I mean they are really, really
hairy! I mean when Paki men take their shirts off, not only do they have
hair on their chests like normal men, they also have a lot of hair on their
backs...
It's almost like they might have the genes of the first half man/half
ape...of course the fact that these monkeys were forced to practice Islam
and constantly beat their chests like apes also directly points being
descended from apes...
There is a curious resemblance between the Taliban and apes...
could it be possible that Pakistanis had ape genes? Could Pakistanis be the
missing link between ape and man?
Shishir Yerramilli
> "singh" <poo...@acedsl.com> wrote in message
> news:10282112...@nntp.acecape.com...
>
> > Singh is common sir name for all warrior types, Sikhs and Hindus...it
> means
> > lion....
>
> Singh is another name stolen by the cowardly Indians from Pakistan.
Hahahaha!
The
> original, life giving lion river still roars in Pakistan.
Hahaha!
>
> Singhs have yard long pubic hair
Which you obviously like.
and Poonam is a mousy dasi going through
> menopause.
It seems you are confusing Poonam with your wife/mother.
Shishir Yerramilli
> > > Also define foreign influence...
> >
> > From the first recorded invasions(pre Islamic era)
> > Assyrian(7th cent B.C)
> > Persian(5th -4th cen B.C.)
> > Macedonian Greek(330 B.C.)
> > Scythian,Bactrian ,Kushan,Hun...(I dont remember the dates of these)
>
> The Aryans were not foreigners in that case since they were the first to
> settle India in a major way and they considered the above to be mlecchas
> i.e. filthy foreigners!
>
> Aryans had no racial qualms either...Aryan kings were strictly
> patrilinear...the concept of 'racial' purity is a modern development not an
> ancient one where most races freely mixed depending on wars and who won the
> wars. Aryan and non-Aryan kings intermarried and formed marital alliances
> to defeat "foreigners" or other enemies that kept them from expanding their
> land and territory....however it was the paternal side which determined if
> you were an Aryan.
>
> Example: Gurkhas who actually originated from Rajasthan and were probably
> hun/vedic kshatriya mixture moved to Nepal and now look totally Chinese!
Gurkhas claim Rajput origin?I thought they were an ancient people.BTW
there are a dynasty from Karnataka called Mallahs(dont know if
connected to the ancient dynasty) who migrated to Nepal around 10th
centurty A.D.Also Rathods and Solanki Rajputs are descendents of
Rashtrakutas and Chalukyas respectively.
> You would never know their ancestors were not chinese but the caste itself
> is patrilinearly set up so you would never forget!
>
> Again let's look at it chronologically according to our ancient texts and
> modern day findings...
>
> 1) Vedas mentions a flowing Saraswati river located in what is now Rajasthan
> /Gujurat area..
> 2) Saraswati river dried up anywhere from the latest 3000b.c.- 5000 b.ce.
> earliest, the dried up river bed has just been found.
> 3) that would make the Aryans be established in India way before the Indus
> Valley was thought to have been occupied.
> 4) The oldest text, the Rg Veda, seems to be contemporary with the
> Ramayana, since some of the writers of the Rg Veda, Vasistha and
> Vishwamitra, were mentioned as Gurus in the Ramayana.
> 5) The Ramayana then goes on to mention generations of ancestors of Rama
> starting with Manu.
> 6) a likely date for a people called Aryans settling in India would be
> anywhere between 4000 - 7000 bce. Far earlier than historians had previously
> thought.
> > Again according to Ramayana many of the Queens came from Afghanistan(
> considered central asia), Gandhari, Kaikeyi, to name just a few. You have
> Chinese/mongolion blood in the east.
I am very much interested in accounts of foreign travel ,interactions
and voyages of that era.What did the Vedic people know of the outside
world at that time?
> And supposedly the people who now call themselves dravidian supposedly have
> blood similar to that of meditarraneans.
>
They also have Polynesian and East African blood.The coconut was
introduced by Polynesian immigrants into Kerala and Tamil Nadu.
> >
> > >
> > > The Puranas goes on to mention the burning of forests by the solar and
> > > lunar races and creating settlements. The Ganges River too might
> actually
> > > not have existed and had been a major project for irrigating the plains
> of
> > > northern India. The path of the Ganges took generations and generations
> to
> > > bring down to completion. WAS THE GANGA RIVER THEIR BEFORE THE INDUS
> > > VALLEY???? I DON"T KNOW IF WE"LL EVER FIND OUT which way migration
> began...
> >
> > Where is Ganga first mentioned?ie which Upanishad?I know it is
> > mentioned in Ramayana ,however I dont know if the author is quoting
> > from another text or introducing it himself.
>
> Ramayana seems to be a contemporary of the Rg Veda...so it seems to be a
> good reference in that point.
>
>
> >
> > In Andhra Pradesh,sub castes of Reddys and Kammas trace descent from
> > Ayodhya.
> > Same with Karnataka,Tamil Nadu etc.
>
> That's quite interesting...many Magadhans settled in Andhra Pradesh, but
> that was later in history. But Andhra Pradesh is more famously regarded as
> the land of Vishwamitra's sons...
>
Yes,they had suffered a demotion of sorts,I dont remember why!
> >
> > > I've never really tried to find out who our equivalents are. Khatris in
> > > Punjab are ancient kshatriyas as well.
> > >
> > They seem to have a lot of Persian blood as well.
>
> as you move west, they look more middle eastern, as you move east they look
> darker or more chinese as you move south they just look regular Indian...
> >
>
> > > I guess martial arts is considered jumping and playing! Warriors don't
> get
> > > respect anymore cause they can't conquer anybody! Before they got money
> by
> > > killing people and taking over their lands...now killing people is
> > > considered most uncool!
> > >
> > Yet in school it is not the four eyes who is looked upto and admired
> > but the athlete!What is lacking in Indian is a well rounded education
> > like the Americans have.
>
> Martial arts training is far more complicated than sports. But Indians
> having such an ancient martial arts tradition should be using martial arts
> training in gym...
Since Kalaripayattu is no longer secretive as it is freely available
to all castes and religion,it should leave the confines of the Kerala
state as well so that all Bharatiyas can benefit from its
practice.However knowledge of practices like Marma Adi should be
carefully controlled.
singh
>
> Just wanted to know from the sulla(chopped dick)are you one of the
> lost paki who babar(barbaric dirty stinking arab)fucked your
> grandmother and let you rot in pakiland where all the uncivilised
> madharchod lives. And followes a sick peadophile prophet(piss on him)?
how did you ever guess? I guess mlecchas like seeker are easy to figure
out!
Shishir Yerramilli
> Hmmm. That would certainly explain why Devadasi Poonam is dying to have red
> hair and green eyes. Must be ruler envy. She also suffers from Penis envy
> but she takes care of that by worshipping Shivalingum (Shiva's Penis for
> those who don't know the Hindu mumbo-jumbo).
>
> Poonam, your Namak haram Shivaji was a fag compared to real men like Babar.
> Hehehehehe.
Funny that you mention it,Babar was indeed a fag!
From: Shishir Yerramilli (yshi...@hotmail.com)
Subject: MUGHAL FOUNDER BABUR'S HOMOSEXUAL MEMOIRS!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian, soc.culture.pakistan, soc.culture.usa,
soc.culture.afghanistan
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Date: 2002-07-14 13:18:31 PST
>
> >From "Why I Am Not A Muslim" Ibn Warraq
>
> ...In his autobiography Babur tells us much delicacy how he fell in
> love with a boy..
>
> In those leisurely days I discovered in myself a strange
> inclination,nay! as the verse says,"I maddened and afflicted myself "
> for a boy in the camp bazaar,his very name,Baburi,fitting in...From
> time to time Baburi used to come to my presence but out of modesty and
> bashfulness,I could never look straight at him;how could I make
> conversation and recital?In my joy and agitation I could no thank
> him(for coming);how was it possible for me to reproach him with going
> away?What power had I to command the duty service to myself?One day
> ,during the that time of desire and passion when I was going with my
> companions along a lane and suddenly met him face to face,I got into
> such a state of confusion that I almost went right off.To look
> straight at him and put words together was impossible...In that
> frothing up of desire and passion,and under that stress of youthful
> folly,I used to wander ,barehead ,barefoot,through street and
> lane,orchard and vineyard.
>
> While we are on the subject here is what Sir Richard Burton had to say
> about Afghans...
>
> The cities of Afghanistan and Sindh are thoroughly saturated with
> the Persian vice[ie homosexuality] and the people sing
>
> The worth of cunt the Afghan knows
> Kabul prefers the other "chose"!
>
> The Afghans are commerical travellers on a large scale and each
> caravan is accompanied by a number of boys and lads almost in women's
> attire with khol'd eyes and rouged cheeks ,long tresses and henna'd
> fingers and toes...they called Kuch-i-safari or travelling wives.
Seeker,ab kya mu dikhaoge!
>
> Jai Babri Masjid.
The last time I checked it wasnt there!
Dr. Cavalli-Sforza
The human species was formerly classified into the Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and
Negroe racial groups.
I manually flipped through my gage Canadian dictionary for the definition of
Caucasian.
Caucasian 1. a native or inhabitant of the Caucasus, a mountainous region in
the S Soviet Union. 2. Caucasoid. -adj. 1 of or having to do with the
Caucasus or its inhabitants. 2 Caucasoid.
Cau-ca-soid -adj. 1 European (def 2). 2 Obsolete. of or having to do with
the racial group including the European and Indian races. The human species
was formerly classified into the Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroe racial
groups. -n European (def 3). 2 a member of the European or Indian race.
Another entry from an online dictionary is as follows:
Anthropology. Of or being a major human racial classification traditionally
distinguished by physical characteristics such as very light to brown skin
pigmentation and straight to wavy or curly hair, and including peoples
indigenous to Europe,(note present basques) northern Africa, western Asia,
and India. No longer in scientific use. See Usage Note at race1. Of or
relating to the Caucasus region or its peoples, languages, or cultures. Of
or relating to a group of three language families spoken in the region of
the Caucasus mountains, including Chechen, Abkhaz, and the Kartvelian
languages.
Anthropology. A member of the Caucasian racial classification. Not in
scientific use. A native or inhabitant of the Caucasus. The Caucasian
language family.
So it seems the present Basques have the longest living history as being
Europeans and true Caucasians. I have racial characteristics most prominent
in the Y chromosome present in Pre-IndoEuropean inhabitants such as bodily
hair, sideburns, somewhat darkish to pale coloured skin, shorter arm length,
hazel eyes, no carved buttocks, double chin, and most importantly the
rh-factor which occurs in some Europeans and is absent in most
Africans.Obviously not characteristic of the Negroe or Asian. And probably
somewhat off the present Indo-European of later Celtic and Anglo stock who
lacks the bodily hair, rh- factor, and double chin. They have blond golden
locks, lack bodily hair (similar to Negroe), have a chin without a dimple
(similar to Negroe) and belong to the O or B blood group which is a
recessive and dominant trait unlike unlike O rh-(note the high proportion of
Negroes who belong to blood group B)
http://www.bloodbook.com/world-abo.html ). Weaker and inferior recessive
genes such as blond hair are the result of the blond tribe having thier
genes adapting to environment rather than the other way around. They lived
in the North, but they let the environment take over their genes which is
different from Inuit(Eskimo), or my tribe which has survived living in the
North with or without hats, and a stronger more resilient DNA for dark hair
which occurs in most asians and was present in cro magnon man. They were in
Europe and the Caucasus about 26,000 years ago. The blond tribe was still in
North Libya of Africa who may have traded with the Egyptians who devoloped
Barley, Beer, and domesticated animal such as cows.
The tribes in the Carpathian mountains were blonde women who knew how to
make hats. It seems the original tribes of the Carpathian mountains were
women and men who were a very creative people who wandered into the Caucasus
and the Carpathian mountains long before the blonde tribe did. They where
also much more creative women and men who knew how to make clothing and
hats.
Academics are in agreement that the blond tribe then fanned out to northern
and western Europe. Similar migrations took place from the Caucasus but
archaeologists also tell us that they cannot have been in the Caucasus or
the Ukraine for more than 8,000 years. So where did they come from if they
were not Caucasians? It so happens that there was another population of
blond people, located on the north east coast of Libya in North Africa,
especially in Cyrenaica, which is wedged between Libya and Egypt, and which
may well be the place where the original blond mutation came about.
http://www.islandnet.com/~edonon/RH-NEG.htm
It seems my tribe was in Europe while yours wandered out of Africa a bit
later and got a bit of an upper hand when discovering metal in Greece.
http://www.islandnet.com/~edonon/eskimo.htm
http://www.concentric.net/~Maguire/Hill.pdf
Negroes have no double chin, lack bodily hair, have carved buttocks, and
most belong to the O+ blood group.
More info:
http://www.islandnet.com/~edonon/RH-NEG.htm
http://www.concentric.net/~Maguire/Hill.pdf
(The Caucasus mountains are just located North East of Turkey)
Actually there were two tribes who maybe of the same genetic stock and spoke
the same language that originated in the Caucasus about 26,000 years ago.
One was of the North of the Caucasus while one was to the South who were the
Basque. From the time of 26,000 years and before, the earth had no
glaciation and was quite warm. From 26,000 years ago and after, the earth
started to gradually experience a global cooling so that by 20,000 years ago
almost 25% of the earth was covered in glaciers. Glaciers were mostly in the
North of Russia as appossed to those just occuring North of the Himilayas.
While reindeer were just to the South of the gaciers and just only North of
Himilyans, this may have giving those reindeer a 100 mile wide gap beteween
those glaciers and the Himilayas of China on thier trek to Japan.(Of course
the Milankovitch Cycles may have had an effect.
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/seasons_orbit.html )
The tribes of the so called Ainu made a trek across Russia just above the
Himilyas in search of reindeer who were abundant at the time. They
eventually got to the coast of the Sea of Okhotsk maybe 16,000 years ago
where they found Ainu of Japan.
From there it was all easy sailing to the West coast of America and the
Antarctic of Canada
http://www.islandnet.com/~edonon/eskimo.htm
The Basque went south in search of reinder when the cold climate appeared.
They did this until getting to Turkey when wandering riendeer sought warmer
weather on mosses and lichens. This stretches all the way into Europe and
all of theses people followed thier migrating routes of reindeer in to the
Mountains with all reindeer eating lichens as there dietery food suppy, and
a vegetarian meal of lichens were kept as food for the Basque themselves.
They went so far as to the Mountains of Morroco, the Basque peninsula,
Ireland and Even Arctic Finmark.
I think the blond tribe is more closer to the Negroe genetically, and they
only got a bit of an advantage when discovewring Metal in Greece.
"singh" <poo...@acedsl.com> wrote in message
news:10282395...@nntp.acecape.com...
> All you you need is copper-tone sun tan lotion. Without the bodily hair,
widows peak, dimple, you'll look just like where your ancestors came form.
He He!
Kafir Mohammad
This is a stereotype.
Lot of Indian men have quite a lot of body hairs (front/back) too.
In article <10282395...@nntp.acecape.com>, singh says...
Romanise
> hairy!
When you get a chance go to Darbhanga and watch Mathil males.
I wonder why this interest in Pakistani hair ?
Fred Bloggs
> I've also observed some strange genes in Pakistan...men and women with a lot
> of hair
I take it you`ve not been the France then?
ruffnready
> Scríobh ruffnready :
>> Wild Colonial Boy wrote:
>>> [...] I'm suspecting the Picts. [...]
>> What's known of Pictish eyes ?
> They usually travelled in pairs.
Thank you, dear Onlooker, you understand me perfectly.
RR
Mike
the stoneage while some with Viking or Norse surnames belonging to gaelic
make a fewer percent of the population.
Yes they had red hair and green eyes. What's your point?
http://www.concentric.net/~Maguire/Hill.pdf
http://www.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/wales/1256894.stm
fortunecity.com/bally/kilkenny/2/neolithic.htm
"Wild Colonial Boy" <warre...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3d48fc0e....@news.eircom.net...
> On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:43:03 -0400, "MikeM" <mmcna...@cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >The origins of red hair and green eyes is primarily from Scandanavian
> >descent. You Indians of India along with certain Pre-Indo-European people
> >originiated in the Caucasus mountains just located North East of Turkey.
> >They along with with many other tribes in the Caucasus had dark but
straight
> >hair, and most were fair skinned.
> >The Vikings were originally from Noth Libya of Africa
>
> Errr...we're all ultimately from North Africa but I don't think this
> is what you're meaning. The 'Vikings' by the very definition of the
> term were from the 'Vik' meaning the area around South East Norway and
> Western Sweden in particular.
>
> WCB
Mike
and Connaught, yet there is no evidence of any genetics relating to those
people occupying those areas to be genetically descended from an
Indo-European race.
http://www.concentric.net/~Maguire/Hill.pdf
http://www.fortunecity.com/bally/kilkenny/2/neolithic.htm
http://www.islandnet.com/~edonon/inscript.html
http://www.islandnet.com/~edonon/saharan.htm
"Mike" <mmcna...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:gqk39.11233$Bj.9...@read2.cgocable.net...
Wild Colonial Boy
wrote:
>ruffnready wrote:
>
>> Wild Colonial Boy wrote:
>>
>> > I am inclined to think that it is indeed a racial characteristic of -
>> > one - of the races that makes up the modern Irish and Scottish
>> > population. At the moment, I'm suspecting the Picts. This is a change
>> > for me as I have previously thought of Picts as stereotypically having
>> > black hair, blue eyes and very pale skin.
>>
>> What's known of Pictish eyes ?
>> RR
>
>I thought it was black hair, very pale eyes and blue skin.
There is that. Ask yourself these questions then, are the red headed
people in the Highlands of Scotland, Gaelic? Viking? or Pictish?
I'd like someone to clear this one up for me.
WCB
Kunal Singh
belongs to the Solar race. There was never a time in ancient Bharat known
that was without its Lunar and Solar races of Kshatriyas. The presence of
lighter skinned people or a few different coloured eyes in any caste is not
indicative of foreign origin, it could just as well occur with mixing from
outside blood or even mutations. Manu is the most ancient person known to
have retired in South India. Manu is considered an ancient ancestor of both
the Lunar and the Solar races of Kshatriyas. Magadha was established by
'rites presided by Manu.' which does not necessarily mean that nothing
existed in its place formerly. The establishment of Gaya comes with
Gayasura, but apparently the Asura had existed at the place for quite a
while formerly.
The origins of the Kshatriya clans of Bharata varsha are the most ancient in
all the world, there is no indication of any other group ever existing in
Bharat without the presence of its Kshatriya clans. Even tribal culture is
closely tied to Kshatriya culture as quite a few times some idiotic
reporters end up commenting on tribal customs such as washing feet of
honored guests, water offerings as "tribal." Apparently they have never
seen the offerings made to Vedic deities.
I encourage all Vedic Kshatriya clans to abandon the falsehood that they
originated elsewhere. No foreign 'mleccha' clans are related to us, if they
had been, we would know as our lineage retains its history quite well,
better than any other human society on Earth. Red hair, or black hair,
light complexioned or dark complexioned, our lineage history tells us very
accurately with whom we are related and the question of accepting fictitious
accounts of those who have no oral or written accounts of their origins
cannot arise!
There is some indication of early 'mleccha' incursion into Bharata, with
some kings, including I think the originator of the Magadhan kingdom Prithu,
having come in after Brahmins assasinated or killed the existing king who
had all 'siddhis.' But they were not related to the Awadhvanshi Kshatriya
or the Yadav clans AT ALL! Likely they were associated with the clans
supported by Vasistha and opposed by Viswamitra.
THE ANCIENT KSHATRIYA CLANS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IDENTIFIED WITH BHARAT VARSHA
AND EVEN DURING THE TIMES OF MANU, THE FOUNDER OF THE TRADITIONS OF THE
BRAHMIN AND KSHATRIYA CLANS, THEY DEEMED THOSE OUTSIDE OF THE CONTINENT AS
FOREIGNERS NOT FIT TO RECEIVE VEDIC KNOWLEDGE! DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THOSE WHO
DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE TO TELL YOU WHO THEY ARE! NEITHER THE CELTIC
IDENTITY, NOR THE NORSE IDENTITY, NOR THE VIKING IDENTITY, NOR THE ARYAN
IDENTITY IS AS ANCIENT AS THE BHARATIYA KSHATRIYA IDENTITY! THEREFORE THE
QUESTION OF ORIGIN FROM SUCH BARBARIANS DOESN'T ARISE!
singh <poo...@acedsl.com> wrote in message
news:10279536...@nntp.acecape.com...
> Of course I am asking this question since there have been rare cases of
red
> hair and green eyes in my caste and family line. Our caste, Avadvanshi
> kshatriyas (warriors from Ayodhya) which is very small in number (not more
> than 1million)and quite prominent land owners in the region of India's
seat
> of ancient empire (Magadh) which is located now in the state of Bihar in
> north east India. We, along with Yadavs, are considered to be the
original
> tribes that settled northern India. That would mean that Aryans were
indeed
> from outside and were the first major settlers of the gangetic plains.
> Indian civilization before was confined only to eastern Iran, Afghanistan
> and modern Paki land to Gujurat.
>
> My tribe is very different from other neo warrior castes in India:
> 1)they consider themselves to be superior to brahmins which is what all
> ancient warriors of Aryan descent used to think since Aryan warriors knew
> enough about Aryan rituals to not need a brahmin for basic prayers and
> spiritual practices and were actually superior to brahmins in spiritual
> knowledge and scripture. Brahmins were only keepers and teachers of
ancient
> knowledge, the warriors protected brahmins for their own descendants.
>
> 2)Their rituals are quite ancient and different from the neo Indians who
> claim to be Aryans just because they are fair but have none of the ancient
> Arya rituals that would distinguish them as Arya. Generally the people
from
> northwestern India were considered mleccha tribes or foreign tribes that
> were non Aryan.
>
> 3) They consider themselves to be the most closest relation to the solar
> race, or suryavanshis, descended from Ishvaku whose most prominent
> descendant was Rama of the sanskrit epic Ramayana, and of course most
famous
> of all Buddha . The Yadavas, most famous descendants were Krishna and the
> warriors of the sanskrit epic Mahabharata, another prominent Arya warrior
> race ( writers of the Bhagwad Gita) who supposedly split during ancient
> times.
>
> 4) They are small in number but continue to be very fierce fighters and
> noone messes around with them. They know they are descended from warriors
> since every prominent family owns a
> sword, iron shield and spear and continued to train in martial arts. Of
> course now the martial tradition is in decline thanks to education.
>
>
>
> "MikeM" <mmcna...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
> news:j9019.3685$Bj.3...@read2.cgocable.net...
> > The origins of red hair and green eyes is primarily from Scandanavian
> > descent. You Indians of India along with certain Pre-Indo-European
people
> > originiated in the Caucasus mountains just located North East of
Turkey.
> > They along with with many other tribes in the Caucasus had dark but
> straight
> > hair, and most were fair skinned.
> > The Vikings were originally from Noth Libya of Africa and went North in
to
> > the Carpathian Mountains and the Caucasus at a much later date. There
were
> > no viking invasions in India! The most that could be said about
invasions
> > was that they went to Italy where the Etruscans were present and joined
> with
> > the Celts to form the Romans.
> > North Libya of Africa who may have mixed with the Africans and the
tribes
> in
> > the Carpathian mountains who were blonde women who knew how to make
hats.
> It
> > seems the original tribes of the Carpathian mountains were women who
were
> > very creative women who wandered into the Caucasus and the Carpathian
> > mountains with thier men, and where much more creative women who knew
how
> to
> > agowhere they found Ainu of Japan.
> >
> > From there it was all easy sailing to the West coast of America and the
> > Antarctic of Canada
> >
> > http://www.islandnet.com/~edonon/eskimo.htm
> >
> >
> > The Basque went south in search of reinder when the cold climate
appeared.
> > They did this until getting to Turkey when wandering riendeer sought
> warmer
> > weather on mosses and lichens. This stretches all the way into Europe
and
> > all of theses people followed thier migrating routes of reindeer in to
the
> > Mountains with all reindeer eating lichens as there dietery food suppy,
> and
> > a vegetarian meal of lichens were kept as food for the Basque
themselves.
> > They went so far as to the Mountains of Morroco, the Basque peninsula,
> > Ireland and Even Arctic Finmark.
> >
> > I think the blond tribe is more closer to the Negroe genetically, and
they
> > only got a bit of an advantage when discovewring Metal in Greece.
> >
> >
> >
> > "singh" <poo...@acedsl.com> wrote in message
> > news:10278927...@nntp.acecape.com...
> > > which tribes have red hair and green eyes? I heard from a couple of
> > > Italians that red hair and green eyes were a nordic trait and came
from
> > the
> > > Vikings or Celts...
> > >
> > > If you're from India, do you know of anyone with red hair and green
> eyes
> > > and can you please tell me the caste, region, jati (tribal link) etc.
if
> > > possible?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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>IDENTITY IS AS ANCIENT AS THE BHARATIYA KSHATRIYA IDENTITY!
So are you saying it is better to be a dinosaur than a modern being?
Sandar
> The origins of red hair and green eyes is primarily from Scandanavian
> descent. You Indians of India along with certain Pre-Indo-European people
> originiated in the Caucasus mountains just located North East of Turkey.
You failed to take into consideration of the surviving natives of
Indus valley civilzation which mingled with the invading people
(assumed to be from Caucasus orginally). Hence, current day Indians
are not Pre-Indo-European. Beside, consider the central Asian tribes
that invaded India whose genes appear in some Muslim population of
India and more so the Muslim population of Pakistan.
Sandar
> Which masters? You mean your Arab masters...? The ones Pakis sell their
> daughters to? God do Pakis have any self respect? But I guess
> a people ruled as slaves throughout history
You mean lower castes in India?
Sandar
> Our Indian ancestors ruled over these mlecchas before, they'll rule over
> them again! Everyone rules over these Pakis! It's in their nature to be
> ruled...
You are forgetting the Greek rule (though a short time)in your ancient India.
geoff...@gmail.com
I have true green eyes, they turn gold when the sun goes down.. I was born with an affinity to the Indian people and idk how that happens but the Scythian had Aryan origins and so do modern day indians... We are surely a different creature all together
Afridi
saeed...@yahoo.com
> Let's see, how can a Paki get blue eyes? Let us go through Paki history
> very, very carefully...
> 1) they were screwed by Persia..(never crossed Paki land)
>
> 2) they were screwed by Greeks from Greece.(Defeated by Indians)
>
> 3) they were screwed by Indians through Mauryas and Guptas (beat the shit
> out of you).
>
> 4) they were screwed by Sakas.(Defeated by Indians)
>
> 5) they were screwed by Kushans...oh but they are Chinese! (Defeated by
> Indians) Couldn't have gotten blue eyes from them...maybe that's why some of
> you bastards are slanty eyed as well!
>
> 6) they were screwed by Huns.(Indians defeated them)
>
> 7) they were screwed by Arabs...who btw never entered India.
>
> 8) they were screwedby Afghans...defeated by Indian warriors under Gobind
> Singh, Shivaji and Ranjit Singh
>
> 9) they were screwed by Mongolians...defeated by Indian warriors under
> Shivaji, Gobind Singh and Ranjit Singh...
> that's 9 victories for Indian warriors and 0 Paki bastard victories....
>
> conquered people...why you can all claim to have the blood of
> conqerors...and say that you are the illegitimate bastard sons and daughters
> of all the great world conquerors ...he, he, he ; )
>
> Paki race = bastard...
>
> Aryans of India always knew you Pakis were a bunch of bastards...that's why
> they called you 'mlecchas' or people with filthy blood! Couldn't fight for
> shit!
There was no India before Brtish arrived. Now lets talk about the DNA and history. Terms such as Indo , indos indus Aryavarta.aryan were used for areas now known as all of Pakistan and some parts of Iran and Afghanistan during different times and under different kingdoms. Over 90% of Pakistanis are natives of this land from 3000 BC. Tianzhu Jambudipa are mythological constructs and are for areas in Nepal and Srilanka. So I was saying that Present-day "India" is the conglomeration of many nationalities that the British conquered one by one and consolidated into a single unit for ease of governance. Hindutva, one nation etc historical fraud spun by late 19th-20th century Brahmanist idealogues and organizations (e.g. Vivekananda, Dayananda, Gowalker; Brahmo Samaj, Arya Samaj, Hindu-Maha-Saba, RSS, VHP, etc.) . A new supremacist identity and history (neo-Brahmanism) was invented for the Brahmanist community by making wild, hegemonic and fraudulent claims over the history, religions and civilizations of historically separate southasian regions, nations and peoples. The sub-continnet was never united. except under the british rule and for few years under different rules. Harappan civilization was mostly based in present-day Pakistan, Indus valley civilization was based in Pakistan. Gandhara was only in Pakistan-Afghanistan. Mauryan, Gupt, Aryans, Persians, Greeks, Scythians, Kushans,White Huns, Arabs, Turks, Sikhs etc. are heritage of regions now known as Pakistan. ! Maurya was native to the region of Pakistan (having Iranian-Scythic origin), who conquered India and established his empire there. The eastern extent of the Persian empire (both Achaemenian and Sassanian) was limited to the region of present-day Pakistan, not India! The fact is Alexander's Greek forces invaded only upto the region of present-day Pakistan, not India! Similarly the Greco-Bactrian empire was limited to present-day Pakistan-Afghanistan, not India (a part of north India was briefly invaded)! And Arab rule was only limited to the region of Pakistan as it's eastern most territory under the Ummayad-Abbassid dynasties. The oldest region of southasia - the Punjab/Sindh region - was politically united to rest of southasia less than 10% of its known 3300 years history prior to British India.. Moreover, the 10% "togethorness" was under Scytho-Buddhist (e.g. Mauryan, Guptas) Afghan-Mogul) Kingdoms of regions now known as Pakistan. .
The southern most region of the Indian peninsula (TamilNadu/Kerala/etc)was also never part of the Mauryan empire! The truth is "India" tries to hijack "Pakistan's" history! E.g.
Harappan civilization was mostly based in present-day Pakistan,
Gandhara was only in Pakistan-Afghanistan, etc etc. Pakistanis are very proud of their
heritage! Harappans, Aryans, Persians, Greeks, Scythians, Kushans,
White Huns, Arabs, Turks, etc. are all part of their heritage!
85% of Indians are very much Dravidoid-Australoid by their physical features
(blood/genes). Less than 2% of Indians have Aryan-Scythic-Greek-Hun-
etc blood, and this is mostly limited to northwest/north India (near
the border of Pakistan). Visiting India and Pakistan, one can easily
distinguish by large the racial differences between the two. The plain fact is that 95% of Indians are descendents of aboriginal Dravidoid-Australoids.
saeed...@yahoo.com
> Let's see, how can a Paki get blue eyes? Let us go through Paki history
> very, very carefully...
> 1) they were screwed by Persia..(never crossed Paki land)
>
> Singh, Shivaji and Ranjit Singh
>
calgary...@gmail.com
> which tribes have red hair and green eyes? I heard from a couple of
> Italians that red hair and green eyes were a nordic trait and came from the
> Vikings or Celts...
>
> possible?
Im a red head with light green eyes. Only red head in my family, which originated ib=n Scotland.
My sibling are all Brunette.
Ive bee reading on this topic, and stufief the movement of the Vikings Ito Scotland. Off this is, I have been asked many times, by different people if I am Scandinavian as I have physical traits from that region.
My guess is, someone in my family had children with a Viking
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