BSANRUT :A MLECCHA BARBARIAN ATTEMPTS TO GAIN VEDIC ACCEPTANCE!
Shishir Yerramilli
US WITH FOOLISH PROPAGANDA ATTEMPTING TO CONNECT KAMBOJAS WITH THE
GLORIOUS DYNASTY OF PALAS!DO NOT BE FOOLED BY HIS EFFORTS!HE HAS NEVER
EXPLAINED WHY THE KAMBOJA FEUDATORIES INVITED the CHOLAS TO INVADE
THEIR REALM(BENGAL).ARE CHOLAS AND KAMBOJAS RELATED?!TOMORROW HE MAY
PROVIDE "EVIDENCE" FOR THAT ALSO!HAHAHAHA!THE MAHABHARATA CLEARLY
STATES THAT MLECCHAS LIKE KAMBOJAS CAN ONLY BE KINGS OR CHAKRAVARTINS
IN KALIYUGA.HENCE WE HAVE SEEN THE "BRILLIANT" PERFORMANCE OF
SENA/KAMBOJA DYNASTY(USURPED FROM PALAS) AGAINST THEIR ANNA
TAMURULU(OR FOR NORTH INDIANS JAATBHAI) THE MUSLIM AFGHANS AND
TURKS!FINALLY HE HAS GIVEN UP THE PRETENCE OF ASSOCIATION WITH MAGADHA
AND PALA AND ATTEMPTED TO BE THE "ORIGINAL ,TRUE VEDIC
KSHATRIYA",HAHAHA!WHAT A GODDAMN JOKE!
Kunal Singh
way into the minds of Vedic people, but I think the time for such tricks is
over! But it is interesting that by associating too closely with such
mlecchas one risks his own caste identity becoming lost. For example, a
mleccha can start by calling a person of Vedic lineage 'yaar,' then it will
progress to 'bhaiya' and then 'daiya daiya,' a few years down the road he
will insist that there was an inscription which said that the Vedic lineage
and the mleccha Afghanis were related as brothers! So please people of
Vedic lineage be careful!
WE ARE UNDER ATTACK FROM A GANG OF MLECCHA ALIENS MUCH WORSE THAN BODY
SNATCHERS, THEY ARE IDENTITY SNATCHERS!
Shishir Yerramilli <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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bsanrut
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Here is ancient Evidence (300 BC) of that Gopala has been a personal
name for Kambojas. Chieftain of Kambojas in Srilanka had his personal
name Gopala. We will see later if the Kambojas were Indoa-Aryans or
Iranians or both...But right now FIRST THINGS FIRST PLEASE.
Hi, Friend Yerrmilli:
Your argument that name Goplala, and the suffix Pala is only a Yadava
related
name and therefore, the Pala kings of Bengal were of Yadava extraction
and further that Kamboja kings of Bengal had imitated Pala names and
imperial titles from Yadavas(?) Palas of Bengal is also very
subjective and misleading. What about name Bhagyadevi, the name of
queen of Rajyapala of Irdatamraptra (Kambojavamsatilaka)? Did the
Kamboja queen also imitate her personal name from the wife of
Rajyapala-1 of Bengal? It is improper to argue on those lines.
ANOTHER VERY IMPORTANT POINT I AM AGAIN bringing out here is that
Kambojas had been having similar personal names even before the
Christian era i.e. 4rd-3th c BC era for example. The cave inscriptions
of Ceylone mention about corporations or Sanghas of the Kambojas in
pre-Christian Ceylone and also mention of a Kamboja chieftain whose
name is stated as Gopala (Parmuka Gopalah) see Inscription register
no 316 below,[400c-300c BC, Approx], written in Brahmi script. This
clearly establishes that name Gopala has been in use by Kambojas of
north-west much before 9-10th c i.e.the era of Palas of
Bengal.
PROOFS OF ANCIENT KAMBOJA PEOPLE BEING IN SRI LANKA:
THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS FROM VARIOUS EPIGRAPHIC/CAVE INSCRIPTIONS AS
FOUND FROM SRILANKA DURING 19th/20th CENTURY BY EROPEAN RESEARCHERS.
INSCRIPTION REGISTER No 316.
Gote Kabojhiana Pramuka Gopalah barya upashika chitya lenhai
shagash.
(ref. Archaeological Survey of Ceylon)
b. INSCRIPTION REGISTER No 1118
Kabojihia mahapugyana manpadashaney agal anagat chatudish
shagash;
(ref. Archaeological Survey of Ceylon.)
c. INSCRIPTION REGISTER No 1049
Kabojha---------Gamik (ref. Archaeological Survey
of Ceylon)
INSCRIPTION REGISTER No 1150
d. Kabojha--------Gamik (ref. Archaeological Survey of
Ceylon)
The Historian have identified this term Kaboja appearing
numerously in ancient Sri Lanka cave inscriptions as the prakritic/old
Sinhala variant of the well known Sanskritic term
Kamboja.
e. Furthermore, one of the 12 Epigraphic inscriptions, discovered in
1887 by Dr S. M. Burros mentions KAMBOJA VASSALA (i.e Kamboja
Dawara/or Kamboja gate). This is the name of the main gate of the
Vishnu Temple located in Polonaruva, Sri lanka built by great king
Kalingalekshar Bahu Vir Raj Nishankmal Apritimal Chakravorty
(JCBBRAS., Vol X., X No 34, 1887, pp64-67).
f. Yet another medieval age reference to the presence of Kamboja
people in Sri Lanka has been found in an another epigraphic
inscription ( No 13) found in Anuradhapura in Ruvanveki Dagba in Sri
Lanka (Don Martino de Zilva Wickeremsinghe, Epigraphicia Zeylanka, Vol
II., Part I & II., p 70-83; Rys David, JRAS. Vol VII., p 187, p 353f;
Muller. E. AIC., No 145; JRAS., Vol XV., 1914, pp 170-71).
See below the wording of this inscription (No 13) is Sanskritic
Sinhalese.
Nuvarat hatpsin sat gavak pamanh tan haam satun no narya hakhya
abhaya do ber lava dolos meh va tan masut abhaya de KAMBOJDEEN ran
pili aadibhu kamti vastu de paksheen no badan nyayen samat kot abhaya
dee(Epigraphia Zelanka Vol II., p 80).
REFERENCES
(Archaological Survey of Ceylone Inscriptions; History of Celone Vol
I, Part I Dr S. Paranavitana; The People of the Lion;Sinhala
Identity and Ideology in History and philosophy by Dr R. A. L. H.
Gunawardana; The People of trhe Lion: Ethnic Identity by K. N. O.
Dharmadasa, Kambojas in Sri Lanka by Dr Jya Lal ; Epigraphia Zelonica
by Don Martino De Zilva Wickermsinghe; Dr E. Muller JRAS., XV., p,
171;also ref to researches of Dr Burros , History of Indian Art and
Eastern Architecture pp 665-666 by Sir sir J. Fergusson etc; Indian
Civilization History Forum, Yahoo. Groups)
KAMBOJAS IN SRILANKA: see also:
Another title which is attached to the names of kings
in these inscriptions is Gamini, which has the meaning of 'the leader
of the community'. The title is not a royal one in ancient Indian
literature, Brahmanical or Buddhist. It was often adopted by the
chiefs or mercantile and other corporations. There is only one
instance of the Sanskrit equivalent of Gamini, i.e. Gramaneya, being
adopted by a ruler of a state; and that was by the leaders of an
aristocratic republic which existed in ancient times on the banks of
the Indus. The prevalence of the title among the early kings of Ceylon
points to the north-west of the Indian sub-continent as the original
home of the Sinhalese. One is led to the same conclusion by the
occurrence of the name Kaboja (Kamboja) in some of the cave
inscriptions. The Kambojas were a people who lived in the upper
reaches of the Indus valley in the present western Pakistan, or
Kashmir. http://members.tripod.com/infctr/anuradhapura_period.htm
For more details about Kambojas and their Sanghas/Corporations in Sri
Lanka around 2n c BC, read History of Ceylone, Vol I, Part 1, 87-91 by
a distinguishe Celone Historian S, Paranavitana.
I have also read the name of one Kamboja king wriiten as Gopala in
some Purana probably in Padama Purana, I’m not sure. Below is
another evidence from Stahala Purana, the date of which Im not
sure of. I dont count too much on Puranas by the way. Still you see
one Purana mention one Kamboja king as Dharamapala.
STHALA PURANA REFERENCES A KAMBHOJA KING CALLED DHARAMAPALA:
The king of Kambhoja province Dharmapala took holydip in the
Chintamani lake, which is on the western side of the hill and
performed tapasya for thirty thousand years for which he was gifted
with the Darshana of Sri Nrusimha Swamy.
http://www.nimbachalam.org/swamy_mahatyam.htm
Goodluck in your search for connecting Yadavas and Palas kings of
Bengal.
Best regards
bsanrut
PS: The whole idea of this post is to bring out the following two
poits:
(1)Kambojas had also been a sea-farer people and had reached as far
Sri Lanka (and even betyond that as far as Kamuja/Kambodia) ancient
times (read Buddhist texts Mahavamsa/Sasanvamsa (P.T.S) and Sri Lanka
ancient cave inscriptions if you need proof). The Samudrakula title
may indeed have been applicable to their name!
(2)The name Gopala is no body's personal property. Kambojas had been
using Gopala as their personal name as early as 300 BC.
Regards.
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Shishir Yerramilli
> GOPALA, PALA , NAMES AND THE YADAVA/PALA & KAMBOJA QUESTION:
>
> *******************************************************************************
> Here is ancient Evidence (300 BC) of that Gopala has been a personal
> name for Kambojas. Chieftain of Kambojas in Srilanka had his personal
> name Gopala. We will see later if the Kambojas were Indoa-Aryans or
> Iranians or both...But right now FIRST THINGS FIRST PLEASE.
>
> Hi, Friend Yerrmilli:
> Your argument that name Goplala, and the suffix Pala is only a Yadava
> related
> name and therefore, the Pala kings of Bengal were of Yadava extraction
> and further that Kamboja kings of Bengal had imitated Pala names and
> imperial titles from Yadavas(?) Palas of Bengal is also very
> subjective and misleading. What about name Bhagyadevi, the name of
> queen of Rajyapala of Irdatamraptra (Kambojavamsatilaka)? Did the
> Kamboja queen also imitate her personal name from the wife of
> Rajyapala-1 of Bengal? It is improper to argue on those lines.
Once again Mr. Bsanrut you cannot defame my heritage and be my
friend at the same time!I never claimed I knew the etymology of
Pala.Certain south Indian kings also had Pala at the end of their
names!
Regarding Kambojas being ancestors of Sinhalas, I have no objection
whatsoever!
Check out my other post!
Subject: KARTHIKA,DONT READ THIS,KARUVAL ,ENJOY!!
Date: 9 Feb 2003 23:03:04 -0800
SINHALA MODAYA WHORE KARTHIKA HAS BEEN SPREADING HER THIRD RATE
PROPAGANDA IN VARIOUS THREADS PARTICULARLY AGAINST ANDHRAS CLAIMING
SHE IS DESCENDENT OF MAGADHA ,THIS IS A BIG JOKE!
CHECK OUT WHAT THE MAHABHARAT HAD TO SAY ABOUT SINHALAS!
MAHABHARATA - BY K.M.GANGULI, SABAPARVA,
[13] ".......and even Krishna himself.......addressing Yudhishthira
said That prosperity which the sons of Pritha had acquired at
Indraprastha and which unobtainable by other kings was beheld by me at
the Rajasuya sacrifice at which besides I saw all kings even those of
the Vangas and Angas and Paundras and Odras and Cholas and Dravidas
and Andhakas and the chiefs of many islands and countries on the
sea-board as also of frontier states including the rulers of the
Sinhalas, the barbarous Mlecchas, the natives of Lanka, and all the
kings of the west by hundreds, and all the chiefs of the sea-coast,
and the kings of the Pahlavas and the Daradas and the various tribes
of the Kiratas and Yavanas and Sakras and the Harahunas and Chinas
........"
WE CAN SEE THAT THE SINHALAS ARE MLECCHAS ,HAHAHAHA!IN CASE SHE
DOESNT KNOW THE MEANING,IT IS THE NORTH INDIAN EQUIVALENT OF
KALABHRAS!IF KARTHIKA RAISES THE POINT THE PASSAGE POINTS THAT
SINHALAS ARE NATIVES,I SAY TO HER MLECCHAS DONT HAVE OR DESERVE ANY
COUNTRY.THE CONTRIBUTION OF SINHALAS TO WORLD HERITAGE HAS ONLY BEEN
GENOCIDE AND ETHNIC CLEANSING!NOTHING ELSE OF THEIRS IS OF ANY
CONSEQUENCE!
REGARDING SINHALA WHORES...
WE HAVE SEEN THE BEHAVIOR OF SINHALA WHORE SURPANAKHA WHEN SHE TRIED
TO MAKE A PASS TO RAMA!
(TAMIL KINGS ALMOST MADE IT A POINT NOT TO HAVE MATRIMONIAL RELATIONS
WITH SINHALA PRINCESSES!MANY WESTERN OBSERVERS COMMENTED THE SINHALAS
WERE AN INCREDIBLY MIXED RACE BECAUSE OF THEIR LOOSE MORALS WHICH ARE
PREVALENT EVEN TODAY).ALSO KING ASHOKA HAD A SRI LANKAN WIFE WHO FELL
IN LOVE WITH HER STEPSON!WHEN HE REJECTED HER,SHE HAD HIM KILLED!AND
OF COURSE ASHOKA FOUND
OUT ABOUT THIS AND HAD HER EXECUTED!WHAT A PERVERSION!I CAN NOW SEE
HOW SRI LANKA IS A HAVEN FOR PEDOPHILES!NO WONDER SRI LANKA HAS THE
HIGHEST SUICIDE RATE IN THE WORLD!IT IS BECAUSE OF SINHALA WHORES LIKE
KARTHIKA AND SURPANAKHA WHO PSYCHOLOGICALLY DAMAGE THOSE POOR
CHILDREN.I WOULDNT BE SURPRISED IF SINHALA CHILDREN WANT TO JOIN THE
LTTE RATHER THAN LIVE WITH THEIR PARENTS!
Hahaha!You can be the ancestors of Sinhalas for all I care,but no
matter how you run you seem to end up with the same title!You are
infact running in circles like a fearful ostrich!Regarding whether
they are Indo Aryan,it doesnt matter what language they speak!Earlier
Mr. Kunal Singh pointed out many Northwestern people fled from the
onslaughts of Vedic Hindus and migrated to Southeast Asian countries
and tropical islands.I found it very hard to beleive at first but now
I can see his point!Also regarding the sexuality of Mlecchas,Karna
had said less than flattering things,when you look at the above it
seems like old habits die hard!Hahaha!If indeed Kalki is correct about
mlecchas,then the LTTE is a step in the right direction.Now go argue
with Karna and LTTE!
Seeker
> Once again Mr. Bsanrut you cannot defame my heritage and be my
> friend at the same time!I never claimed I knew the etymology of
> Pala.Certain south Indian kings also had Pala at the end of their
> names!
Quit squealing like a pig. Mr. Bsanrut has you beat. You are a true mleccha
for pretending to be the caste you are not. Serving your Arab master has
left you with a marked sense of inferiority.
Karuval Suntha
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Thank you Shishir
> SINHALA MODAYA WHORE KARTHIKA HAS BEEN SPREADING HER THIRD RATE
> PROPAGANDA IN VARIOUS THREADS PARTICULARLY AGAINST ANDHRAS CLAIMING
> SHE IS DESCENDENT OF MAGADHA ,THIS IS A BIG JOKE!
Sinhales are monkeys. You ask something they will try to jump to different
tree. No use of talking to idiots.
> CHECK OUT WHAT THE MAHABHARAT HAD TO SAY ABOUT SINHALAS!
They won't. They only see like horse and read Maha Boruwa(LIAR) Vamsa???
hehehehehe
> Hahaha!You can be the ancestors of Sinhalas for all I care,but no
> matter how you run you seem to end up with the same title!You are
> infact running in circles like a fearful ostrich!Regarding whether
> they are Indo Aryan,it doesnt matter what language they speak!Earlier
> Mr. Kunal Singh pointed out many Northwestern people fled from the
> onslaughts of Vedic Hindus and migrated to Southeast Asian countries
> and tropical islands.I found it very hard to beleive at first but now
> I can see his point!Also regarding the sexuality of Mlecchas,Karna
> had said less than flattering things,when you look at the above it
> seems like old habits die hard!Hahaha!If indeed Kalki is correct about
> mlecchas,then the LTTE is a step in the right direction.Now go argue
> with Karna and LTTE!
He wouldn't. If he tries his arse will be cocked.
hehehehe
Shishir Yerramilli
> "Shishir Yerramilli" <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Once again Mr. Bsanrut you cannot defame my heritage and be my
> > friend at the same time!I never claimed I knew the etymology of
> > Pala.Certain south Indian kings also had Pala at the end of their
> > names!
>
>
> Quit squealing like a pig. Mr. Bsanrut has you beat. You are a true mleccha
> for pretending to be the caste you are not.
Hahaha!Seeker the son of a Paki whore speaks!You dont know my caste
well ,I dont even know your last name!Please ask your father first(if
you know him,that is),then come reply to me!
Serving your Arab master has
> left you with a marked sense of inferiority.
I am afraid you are confusing me with your Pakistani brethren.Perhaps
Hira Mandi should be celebrated as your cultural origins!
Kunal Singh
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> > "Shishir Yerramilli" <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > Once again Mr. Bsanrut you cannot defame my heritage and be my
> > > friend at the same time!I never claimed I knew the etymology of
> > > Pala.Certain south Indian kings also had Pala at the end of their
> > > names!
> >
> >
> > Quit squealing like a pig. Mr. Bsanrut has you beat. You are a true
mleccha
> > for pretending to be the caste you are not.
>
> Hahaha!Seeker the son of a Paki whore speaks!You dont know my caste
> well ,I dont even know your last name!Please ask your father first(if
> you know him,that is),then come reply to me!
>
> Serving your Arab master has
> > left you with a marked sense of inferiority.
>
> I am afraid you are confusing me with your Pakistani brethren.Perhaps
> Hira Mandi should be celebrated as your cultural origins!
I think we should indeed explore the mleccha history and its associated
legends at Hira Mandi in greater detail!
Kunal Singh
Gandasa's Sakasthan which has already been discovered to be Bali!
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Seeker
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> > "Shishir Yerramilli" <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > Once again Mr. Bsanrut you cannot defame my heritage and be my
> > > friend at the same time!I never claimed I knew the etymology of
> > > Pala.Certain south Indian kings also had Pala at the end of their
> > > names!
> >
> >
> > Quit squealing like a pig. Mr. Bsanrut has you beat. You are a true
mleccha
> > for pretending to be the caste you are not.
>
> Hahaha!Seeker the son of a Paki whore speaks!You dont know my caste
> well ,
I do know your caste mleccha. An upper caste man wouldn't insult other's
mother. QED.
> I dont even know your last name!Please ask your father first(if
> you know him,that is),then come reply to me!
A feeble attempt to insult me. Keep trying mleccha, but for now you have
failed.
>
> Serving your Arab master has
> > left you with a marked sense of inferiority.
>
> I am afraid you are confusing me with your Pakistani brethren.Perhaps
> Hira Mandi should be celebrated as your cultural origins!
I have never served any Arabs. You OTOH have made a living out of it for
practically your whole life.
Seeker
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KS, I am afraid you won't get any at Hira Mandi. However, I must correct you
on one point. True mlecchas hail from the great beggar producing state of
Bihar, not Hira Mandi.
bsanrut
Namsakar,
I know when people lose their case they start badmouthing, and resort
to cheap shots and all kind of ad-hominum attacks on their victors.
These are the true signs of defeated people. Guys, you and your
self-claimed vedic friend have already lost your case. Now go take a
ceremonial vedic showers and restart your Pala case with more
convincing evidence! Also learn to be civil and courtous.
ALSO I learn that there is great story called Kamboja Raja
Kathalu----the story of Kambhoja Raja, a very popular folk tale among
the people of Andhra Pardesh. I hear that in Andhra folklores, This
Kamboja king is seen as an extremely
ferocious, cruel, adventuorous and mighty powerful king of the
Kambhojas. But
can you let us know who possibly was this Kambhoja king?.
Let it be a quiz for you and your friend Vedic Aryan Kunal Singh, and
I hope, being from Andhra Pardesh, you guys would have answer for us.
Was this king Kambhoja of Andhra folktales also a maha-mlechcha
Kambhoja? If yes, then why is his glory, daring achievements and
adventures are still popularly sung by you Andharites on every
colorful cultural festivities?
Does not it reveal that you Andharaites have also been greatly
influenced
by Mlechcha warrior Kambojas, whose king, till date,is a traditional
hero of your folktales?
Also, several movies/films have been made on this powerful and mighty
Kambhoja king of Andhra folktales in Telgu language----correct?
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NOW Read below what your friend Kunal Singh, the self-claimed vedic
had put on the this thread a year ago.
*****
Says Kunal Singh
I just wanted to request that all Indian agrarians should support
America's yagna against the mleccha races of Afghanistan - the
Kambhojas, Yavanas etc. these mlecchas are the enemies of all
agrarians descended from the Solar and Lunar races of Kshatriyas. Our
ancestors hated their guts as they were always attempting to subvert
their identity, take over their kingdoms using dirty tricks and kidnap
their women. Kunti, Shakuni, Jayadratha, and thus most of the evil
beings of the Mahabharat were all mlecchas!
Read the whole article.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=kambhojas&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3Bgx7.24373%24ev2.32941%40www.newsranger.com&rnum=3
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IMPORTANT REMINDER
If our ancestors had been kidnapping your women as Kunal Singh has
revealed, then you guys are our maternal relatives. So why are you
guys mad us----we mlechchas Kambhojas are after all your cousins,
right?
With best regards
bsanrut
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yshi...@hotmail.com (Shishir Yerramilli) wrote in message news:<370a0b0.03021...@posting.google.com>...
karthika
It is not Gopala. it is GO PALLAVA!
Further PAALA is a Pali or Sanskrit word for ADMINISTRATOR or KING!
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karthika
You have stories.
Ramayana mention some people as monkeys in South India!
Are they your ancestors?
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> "Shishir Yerramilli" <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > Once again Mr. Bsanrut you cannot defame my heritage and be my
> > > > friend at the same time!I never claimed I knew the etymology of
> > > > Pala.Certain south Indian kings also had Pala at the end of their
> > > > names!
> > >
> > >
> > > Quit squealing like a pig. Mr. Bsanrut has you beat. You are a true
> mleccha
> > > for pretending to be the caste you are not.
> >
> > Hahaha!Seeker the son of a Paki whore speaks!You dont know my caste
> > well ,
>
> I do know your caste mleccha. An upper caste man wouldn't insult other's
> mother. QED.
It doesnt matter what caste one is from.If your mother is a whore,it
is not an insult but a fact!
>
> > I dont even know your last name!Please ask your father first(if
> > you know him,that is),then come reply to me!
>
> A feeble attempt to insult me. Keep trying mleccha, but for now you have
> failed.
I understand mlecchas do have an odd tradition of declaring victory
and ignoring failure when in reality they have been thoroughly
trashed!
>
> >
> > Serving your Arab master has
> > > left you with a marked sense of inferiority.
> >
> > I am afraid you are confusing me with your Pakistani brethren.Perhaps
> > Hira Mandi should be celebrated as your cultural origins!
>
> I have never served any Arabs. You OTOH have made a living out of it for
> practically your whole life.
How many daughters of yours have you supplied the visiting Sheikh
today?
Shishir Yerramilli
>
> Namsakar,
>
> I know when people lose their case they start badmouthing, and resort
> to cheap shots and all kind of ad-hominum attacks on their victors.
> These are the true signs of defeated people. Guys, you and your
> self-claimed vedic friend have already lost your case. Now go take a
> ceremonial vedic showers and restart your Pala case with more
> convincing evidence!
requests,you havent answered why your Kamboja brothers invited Cholas
to invade the Pala realm?
Once again the mleccha tradition of calling such catastrophes
victories continues!
>
> ALSO I learn that there is great story called Kamboja Raja
> Kathalu----the story of Kambhoja Raja, a very popular folk tale among
> the people of Andhra Pardesh. I hear that in Andhra folklores, This
> Kamboja king is seen as an extremely
> ferocious, cruel, adventuorous and mighty powerful king of the
> Kambhojas. But
> can you let us know who possibly was this Kambhoja king?.
Yes!There was a Kamboja king and he was quite cruel and
tyrannical.His death was celebrated by all,is this what you were
referring to!I dont know the details of this story!
> Let it be a quiz for you and your friend Vedic Aryan Kunal Singh, and
> I hope, being from Andhra Pardesh, you guys would have answer for us.
> Was this king Kambhoja of Andhra folktales also a maha-mlechcha
> Kambhoja? If yes, then why is his glory, daring achievements and
> adventures are still popularly sung by you Andharites on every
> colorful cultural festivities?
His glory is not celebrated but rather his death!ONCE AGAIN THIS
PROVES YOU ARE A MLECCHA!
>
> Does not it reveal that you Andharaites have also been greatly
> influenced
> by Mlechcha warrior Kambojas, whose king, till date,is a traditional
> hero of your folktales?
There is absolutely no tradition of idolising mleccha "warriors" in
our culture!Ours is the dynasty of GautamiPutra Satakarni who
slaughtered Greeks,Scythians and Iranians and kept them out of the
Deccan,Gujarat and Rajasthan!I suspect they gave Kamboja kings the
same treatment,but Im not sure.
> Also, several movies/films have been made on this powerful and mighty
> Kambhoja king of Andhra folktales in Telgu language----correct?
No,quite incorrect.I have a lot of old mythological Telugu movies
and I cannot recollect any such Kamboja Raja,not even as a
villain!Where did you get this bizarre information.
Shishir Yerramilli
> Hahahah
> You have stories.
> Ramayana mention some people as monkeys in South India!
Vanars are not monkeys!
> Are they your ancestors?
I will be prouder to have monkeys as my ancestors than Sinhalas!
>
Shishir Yerramilli
> Hey asshole!
> It is not Gopala. it is GO PALLAVA!
>
> Further PAALA is a Pali or Sanskrit word for ADMINISTRATOR or KING!
For the first time,you are saying something useful!
Seeker
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> "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_t...@dont.reply> wrote in message
> > I do know your caste mleccha. An upper caste man wouldn't insult other's
> > mother. QED.
>
> It doesnt matter what caste one is from.If your mother is a whore,it
> is not an insult but a fact!
A very interesting response. It is a mleccha custom to label noble people's
mothers with the same epitaphs the mleccha hears about his own mother. Like
I said very interesting.
>
> >
> > > I dont even know your last name!Please ask your father first(if
> > > you know him,that is),then come reply to me!
> >
> > A feeble attempt to insult me. Keep trying mleccha, but for now you have
> > failed.
>
> I understand mlecchas do have an odd tradition of declaring victory
> and ignoring failure when in reality they have been thoroughly
> trashed!
I am sure being a mleccha you understand mleccha traditions very well.
However, your insults don't even touch me.
> > I have never served any Arabs. You OTOH have made a living out of it for
> > practically your whole life.
>
> How many daughters of yours have you supplied the visiting Sheikh
> today?
Another area of your expertise I see. This is probably how you managed to
stay in Arabia serving your Arab masters.
Seeker
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> > Hey asshole!
> > It is not Gopala. it is GO PALLAVA!
> >
> Haha!This is as stupid as any thing Bsanrut has written.
>
> > Further PAALA is a Pali or Sanskrit word for ADMINISTRATOR or KING!
>
> For the first time,you are saying something useful!
Still waiting for your first time.
bsanrut
you are indeed an idiot and you need reading glasses
It is not Go Pallava but Parmuka Gopalah. Parmuka Gopalah means
chieftain whose name is Gopala as per Inscription Register No 316.
Read again below
INSCRIPTION REGISTER No 316.
Gote Kabojhiana Pramuka Gopalah barya upashika chitya lenhai
shagash. (ref. Archaeological Survey of Ceylon)
The Kambhoja warriors from north-west had ruled over Sinhala as early
as 300 BC. Take some histoty lessons before making silly misleading
comments.
Bsanrut
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bsanrut
spreading disinformotaion on these pages. Note again, there is less
than 1% probability of Palas of Bengal being from Yadavas extraction.
Not even a single, again not even a single reference to Palas being
from Yadava tribe are found in the numerous inscriptions and copper
plates of Bengal!!. But there several references to Kambojas being
Pala kings. You know who has claimed to be Gaudapati or LORD OF GAUDA
country? Is he Pala Yadava? Who was this Chakravarti king, the Lord of
Gauda, the crusher & destroyer of all his enemies (see Dinajpore
Kamboja Pillar Inscriptions). Was he Pala Yadava? Historians are
comming with different interpretations of Bengala history. So stop
claiming Palas of Bengal as Yadavas. This is sacrelege.
Also tell us about something Kambhoja Raja Kathalu. Who was this
ferocious, daring, adventurous Chakravarti king of Andhra folktales
whom the Andhraites fondly take as their hero?
There have been several movies made on him in Andhra Pardesh?
Give us your input, vedic fella.
bsanrut
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Shishir Yerramilli
> "Shishir Yerramilli" <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:370a0b0.03021...@posting.google.com...
> > "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_t...@dont.reply> wrote in message
> news:<rbi2a.44285$LW1.1...@news1.west.cox.net>...
>
> > > I do know your caste mleccha. An upper caste man wouldn't insult other's
> > > mother. QED.
> >
> > It doesnt matter what caste one is from.If your mother is a whore,it
> > is not an insult but a fact!
>
> A very interesting response. It is a mleccha custom to label noble people's
> mothers with the same epitaphs the mleccha hears about his own mother.
HAHAHA!Seeker a Paki is a noble person?!Once again ask your mother
your fathers name and then consider insulting other people.Do you want
me to post the exploits of your hero Babur?
>Like
> I said very interesting.
>
> >
> > >
> > > > I dont even know your last name!Please ask your father first(if
> > > > you know him,that is),then come reply to me!
> > >
> > > A feeble attempt to insult me. Keep trying mleccha, but for now you have
> > > failed.
> >
> > I understand mlecchas do have an odd tradition of declaring victory
> > and ignoring failure when in reality they have been thoroughly
> > trashed!
>
> I am sure being a mleccha you understand mleccha traditions very well.
Do you even know what mleccha means you mleccha?
> However, your insults don't even touch me.
I would Dalits who collect shit for a living rather than touch
mlecchas like yourself.My insults dont touch because you are too
stupid to realize you are being insulted.Its a result of "glorious"
history of degradation.
>
> > > I have never served any Arabs. You OTOH have made a living out of it for
> > > practically your whole life.
> >
> > How many daughters of yours have you supplied the visiting Sheikh
> > today?
>
> Another area of your expertise I see. This is probably how you managed to
> stay in Arabia serving your Arab masters.
Pakis are expert at making house calls for Arabs!Do you trade your
daughters for hashish or for AK 47's.Ask your mother if they doing
dhanda with her.I will attempt to buy them out of their misery and
convert them to Hinduism.
Shishir Yerramilli
As I am waiting for yours.I have a better I mean much better chance
at meeting your mother at Hira Mandi.
Shishir Yerramilli
Bsanrut,once again youre an idiot.How can a Sinhala be a Pandit?!Once
again you show your mleccha blood!Dont be too harsh on Karthika
though,she is your mleccha brethren and her community has acquired its
ultramleccha wings by contributing nothing more than discrimination
and genocide to world heritage.Enjoy your Sinhala connection!
Karuval Suntha
hehehehehe modaya
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bsanrut
You are indeed very prejudiced and ignorant mind.
Anyway, I'm waisting my time with thick people Im sure.
See site below for one instance, featureing actor Gumamdi. I believe
the film has been made several times featuring diuifferent starts
158. Kambhoja Raju Katha
http://www.hamarashehr.com/bin/ppf/a/p/did/5/movies.htm
You indeed seem very poorly informed. That is the reason why you are
also goofing on the Palas/Kambojas also. Know your
State/Culture/People first before commenting on Kambojas.
Also, you are again ill informed about the Kambhoja Raja Kathalu. The
Kambhoja Raja is seen as a great Chakravarti Rajs, adventurer
expeditionist and a great warrior hero.
It is in your own best interest to learn your own history and the
people who had ruled over you guys with iron hand.
QUESTION: WHO COULD BE THIS GREAT WARRIOR ADVENTURER KAMBHOJA, BY THE
WAY?
regards
bsanrut
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bsanrut
Besides the Kambhojas Indo-Aryans, there are also said to be some
Yavana people present in Pandukabhaya in SriLanka, round fourth c BC.
Read History of Ceylon by S Parnavitana. Probably Karthika is a
descendent of Yavanas with mileka , Daemeda or Mileka. She is not from
Kambhoja lineage. Kambhojas are pure caucasiona, very tall, handsome
Ind-Aryans and very selfrespectfull people.
bsanrut
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bsanrut
Your "evidence" is less than convincing itself.Inspite of my repeated
requests,you havent answered why your Kamboja brothers invited Cholas
to invade the Pala realm?
My response: Guy, the problems has two aspects: So the answer depends
upon which aspect we consider.
Hello Yerramilli
Namskar
If ONE considers the so-called pala kings of Bengal and the Pala
kamboj kings of Bengal as two DISTINCT DYNASTIES, then it has one
certain answer.
But if the Pala kings of Bengal and the pala kings of Bengal are one
and same dynasty as some historians tend to believe, and there are
several strong pointers in that direction, then we have another
possible answer.
I would sure give you the answeres for both the cases later some
times.
But one thing is more than 99% clear, there is absolutely no reference
to clan name Yadava or something Yadava-like or Chandervarma in any of
the numerous copper plate inscriptions, stone inscriptions or the
literary contemporary or subsequent literature of Bengal or India.
This is so important a fact of history that it could not be easily
ignored.
best Regards
bsanrut.
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karthika
You know nothing of Sri lanka. So, better shutup!
GO PALLAVA was the last Governer General of Sri Lanka!
karthika
Go Pallava is a well known name in Sri Lanka for centuries.
So, I dont need a glass! Dont try to intepret British versions here! Indian
Brahman Historical theories are worse than anything!
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karthika
means!
I have no hate for Malayalees because Malayalees are coolies for Sinhalese
Kings for centuries! Many such Malayala coolies are now in good position in
Sri Lanka.
Have you or Tamils any system of DATING the incidents? Tamils and
malayalees have nothing such MATH skills or traditions. Date of
Silapathikaram is determined with the help of MAHAVAMSA...But Tamils and
Malayalees who worked as coolies for centuries and destroyed everything.
This is why Tamils in Jaffna have no historical inscriptions. Malayalees who
came with PORTUGEUSE destroyed every thing in Jaffna! So, you better shutup!
Tamils and Malayalees are worse than Mlechchas!
karthika
First invasion of Aryans ended in Sri Lanka and it was headed by KARTHIKEYA.
You Indians now dont know much because your present PEOPLE belongs to
MOSLEMS and ARABS than HINDUS! King Bindhusara's wife was a Yavana.. You
know King Asoka wrote his edicts in OLD Greek in Afghanistan as well!
Why are you silent on Pallavas? Because not only you, many north Indians
knows nothing about Pallavas who extended their Kingdoms upto Cambodia!
Pallavas closely associated with the kingdom of Ashoka! So, I have Yavana,
Dravida, Arya, and Kamboja blood!
No Indians today exist as a "PURE"" of this or that race! Remember that!
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The true mlecchas are SQUEALING LIKE PIGS ALREADY! AND KALKI IS NOT EVEN
HERE YET! HA, HA, HA!
Kunal Singh
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> >
> > > > I do know your caste mleccha. An upper caste man wouldn't insult
other's
> > > > mother. QED.
> > >
> > > It doesnt matter what caste one is from.If your mother is a whore,it
> > > is not an insult but a fact!
> >
> > A very interesting response. It is a mleccha custom to label noble
people's
> > mothers with the same epitaphs the mleccha hears about his own mother.
>
> HAHAHA!Seeker a Paki is a noble person?!Once again ask your mother
> your fathers name and then consider insulting other people.Do you want
> me to post the exploits of your hero Babur?
THE MLECCHAS WANT TO REDEFINE THE TERM MLECCHA! UNFORTUNATELY IT IS A TERM
APPLIED BY VEDIC PEOPLE AND NOT OPEN TO REDEFINITION! THE PAKIS ARE MAHA
MLECCHAS BORN OF HIRA MANDI, THE GREAT TIRTHA OF THE MLECCHA LINEAGES! HEE,
HEE, HEE!
Kunal Singh
forming very much the Aryan theory prior to the Germans.
http://www.infolanka.com/org/srilanka/hist/hist18.html
I The use of the term "Sinhala" has been discussed at length by Gunawardana.
Firstly, he refers to three words, Kaboja, Milaka and Dame da found in the
earliest inscriptions in Sri Lanka, which seem to denote group-identities.
He is keen to point out that "the term Sinhala is conspicuous by its
absence" - inferring thereby that the Sinhala identity had not emerged by
the time of these inscriptions, ie. circa 3rd cent. B.C. to 1st cent. A.C.
He also points out that the earliest occurrence of the term Sinhala (Pali :
Sinhala) is in the Dipavamsa (4th -5th cent. ) and that even in the
Mahavamsa (assigned to the 6th cent, but, according to Gunawardana, possibly
of a later date)it occurs only twice. With regard to the terms Kaboja and
Milaka, he believes that they were possibly "tribal groups" and the term
Dameda, according to him, means "Tamil" . He adds: "Whether the term was
used in this period to denote a tribal linguistic or some of the group
deserves careful investigation". We are not told why the same should not
apply to the other two terms - Kaboja and Milaka. Indeed Paranavitana, who
first drew our attention to these teams, listed three others, Muridi, Meraya
and Jhavaka, and argued that they referred to "ethnic groups".( He gave
reasons for thinking so. ( Gunawardana does not give us any reasons why
Paranavitana's interpretation should be rejected.
Shishir Yerramilli
> Yerramilli
>
> You are indeed very prejudiced and ignorant mind.
And you are....well Ive said it already....!
>
> Anyway, I'm waisting my time with thick people Im sure.
But inspite of your promises,you keep coming back ,Im flattered!
>
> See site below for one instance, featureing actor Gumamdi. I believe
> the film has been made several times featuring diuifferent starts
>
> 158. Kambhoja Raju Katha
> http://www.hamarashehr.com/bin/ppf/a/p/did/5/movies.htm
Atleast give the correct link,is it so hard to cut and paste?
http://www.hamarashehar.com/bin/ppf/lid/1/a/p/did/5/movies.htm
There!As for Kambhoja Raju Katha,sure there mustve been one or two
movies but they were hardly the highlights of even a B grade actor
like Gummadi!
>
> You indeed seem very poorly informed. That is the reason why you are
> also goofing on the Palas/Kambojas also. Know your
> State/Culture/People first before commenting on Kambojas.
>
> Also, you are again ill informed about the Kambhoja Raja Kathalu. The
> Kambhoja Raja is seen as a great Chakravarti Rajs, adventurer
> expeditionist and a great warrior hero.
These are all your own terms!Where is it stated that he is a great
Chakravartin?!He was known for his cruelty!
>
> It is in your own best interest to learn your own history and the
> people who had ruled over you guys with iron hand.
Correction,a person who ruled us with an iron hand.
> QUESTION: WHO COULD BE THIS GREAT WARRIOR ADVENTURER KAMBHOJA, BY THE
> WAY?
There are many possibilities..A psycho king who ruled us in very
distant history ,most Andhras dont even know where Kamboja is and if
they did they would be quite scandalized to find out that a foreigner
was ruling them albeit for a short period.Oh,and in popular folklore
we often interchange the names of one barbarian for another ...Kamboja
was even used to refer to Saka kings in popular folklore.I remember
listening to a poem regarding Gautamiputra Satakarni who defeated
Kambojas,when in fact he never really fought Kambojas but Sakas and
Yavanas.It is possible this Kamboja king can refer to a Saka king
Rudradaman who temporarily occupied Western Andhra.Of course there is
the issue of confusing Kambhoja with Kings of the Bhoja dynasty!
As to your info regarding Vratyas in the other thread,I will get to
them soon..
> regards
>
> bsanrut
>
Shishir Yerramilli
Remember Kunal,us Vedic people are ineligible to bang Seekers mother
as we are not fond of young boys but hot svelte busty females!The
women of that region consider men to be quite deviant if they do not
indulge in the "Persian Vice" like Seekers hero Babur!We can do
without those deformed women anyway whose faces resemble the releif
map of the Hindu Kush!
I should hasten to add the Afghanistan used to be Kamboja!
> ...In his autobiography Babur tells us much delicacy how he fell in
> love with a boy..
>
> In those leisurely days I discovered in myself a strange
> inclination,nay! as the verse says,"I maddened and afflicted myself "
> for a boy in the camp bazaar,his very name,Baburi,fitting in...From
> time to time Baburi used to come to my presence but out of modesty and
> bashfulness,I could never look straight at him;how could I make
> conversation and recital?In my joy and agitation I could no thank
> him(for coming);how was it possible for me to reproach him with going
> away?What power had I to command the duty service to myself?One day
> ,during the that time of desire and passion when I was going with my
> companions along a lane and suddenly met him face to face,I got into
> such a state of confusion that I almost went right off.To look
> straight at him and put words together was impossible...In that
> frothing up of desire and passion,and under that stress of youthful
> folly,I used to wander ,barehead ,barefoot,through street and
> lane,orchard and vineyard.
>
> While we are on the subject here is what Sir Richard Burton had to say
> about Afghans...
>
> The cities of Afghanistan and Sindh are thoroughly saturated with
> the Persian vice[ie homosexuality] and the people sing
>
> The worth of cunt the Afghan knows
> Kabul prefers the other "chose"!
>
> The Afghans are commerical travellers on a large scale and each
> caravan is accompanied by a number of boys and lads almost in women's
> attire with khol'd eyes and rouged cheeks ,long tresses and henna'd
> fingers and toes...they called Kuch-i-safari or travelling wives.
karthika
and went. There is no records to claim the kings fought wars on the basis of
language superiority in the History of Sri lanka. Now only American and
British backed Tamil & Malayala coolies make trouble in Sri lanka! The same
is in Indian sub-contenent as well! So, researching history through the
present political situation is unwarrented and a Tragedy!
So, your Khamboja theory is not applicable here. Language based racism in
Sri Lanka is a product of English rule! India is splitted on language lines
because of the British rule!
Sinhalese started to claim ""ARYANS"" after 1920s mailnly! Further
Paranavitana was a racist researcher and not a credible historian! Many
Sinhalese who have origins in South India now cry that they are Aryans! One
example is SENANAYKE family who came to Kandyan Kingdom during the time of
Vijaya Nagar but he was the # 1 Sinhala politician. Bandaranayake clan is
Tamil. JR Jayawardene the other Malayala decendent Sinhala politician!
Many groups came to Sri Lanka but I doubt all of them had the power to rule
all the population of Sri Lanka! They left some imprints of their presence.
So, it is not necessary to claim that they ruled all the people in the
island in their ""RACE"" based lines! Rulers always minority and people were
majority. But you can get only the details of the rulers anywhere.
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>
<snip>
I think it's not useful to discuss about who is *mlechha* and who is not, unless
of course you are just trying have some fun.
I mean, looking down upon some group based on historical reasons is fanatical
and prejudiced thinking. The so called *mleccha*s are as much Indians as you
are.
And it's unhealthy deal with thease issues.
Hopefully you understand.
karthika
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karthika
VANARA mean Monkey.. Have you any other meaning?
Sinhalese are a mixture of South Indians mainly of your Malayalees! I now
only realise why you cry against your own people!
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Shishir Yerramilli
> KarthiKeya is the name of the warrior GOD!
Mlecchas like you should be banned from using this name.
> First invasion of Aryans ended in Sri Lanka and it was headed by KARTHIKEYA.
Really ,it wasnt a result of lion fucking then?
> You Indians now dont know much because your present PEOPLE belongs to
> MOSLEMS and ARABS than HINDUS!
Once again ,you are talking about your Kamboja ancestors!
King Bindhusara's wife was a Yavana..
One of Bindusara's wives and even Chandragupta wive's was Yavana!They
had more than one wife!How does that make everyone else mixed!It
doesnt mean Ashoka had Greek blood!
You
> know King Asoka wrote his edicts in OLD Greek in Afghanistan as well!
Of course,there was a Greek civilization in Gandhara!
>
> Why are you silent on Pallavas? Because not only you, many north Indians
> knows nothing about Pallavas who extended their Kingdoms upto Cambodia!
There are many theories for this,some of them include Kamboja.It is
possible that Kambojas migrated there in early periods,however it
cannot be established that Kambojas are responsible for the Varman
dynasty.
Pallavas influence maybe responsible for the architechture of Angkor
Wat.
In fact one Khmer found a place on a Pallava throne!Hmmm..Could this
be the Kamboja king of Andhra Bsanrut was talking about...
From
http://www.khmer.cc/community/t.c?b=13&t=554
About King Parameshvara Aramabhattaraka Maharajadhiraja Nayapaladeva,
some Indian scholars beleive that he was King Paramesvara Varman II
(728AD), a prince from Cambodia, also named as Paramesvare (alias
Pallavamalla). He was brought to southern India and installed on the
Pallava throne under the title of Nandivarman II. He is also a distint
cousin of King Jaravarman I who brought Independence to Cambodia from
the Sri Vishayan Empire of Java in 802 AD.
Who would have thought that a Khmer Prince once ruled southern India.
(Source: "Saving Angkor" by C.M.Bhandari ISBN 974-8299-32-9)
This royal exhange between Cambodia and India's Pallava dynasty should
prove that the khmers did not migrate from China like there Sino Thai,
Lao, Burma, and Viet Neighbors. Rather it was a blood infusion between
Indian Migrants and Native autros, mogoloids, negretos, ect...
I think that the word "Khmer" was later coined when the empire emerged
and developed its own distinct Indianized style with the combination
of its Indeginous culture. A devaraja (god king) society with the
worship of the naga that symbolizes the equalibrium of khmer
existence. Like you said, Kambu + Mera could be "Khmer"
The "Khmer" race was coined to unite all the indigenous tribes of SE
Asia as one to created a distinct indentity of there own. (pre-Sino
Migration)
I think there is a Connection between the Kabujas of Bengali, the
Kabujas of west India, and the Kambujas of Cambodia. The Kambujas were
a ruling class, who conqured western India, then spreaded or moved
there power to bengali, then had there final stronghold in Cambodia.
The Ancient khmer coinded the nation title Kambuja, kambumera,
kampujadesa, kampuchea, probobly as a rememberance of the ruling
travellers that help founded ther nation.
> Pallavas closely associated with the kingdom of Ashoka! So, I have Yavana,
> Dravida, Arya, and Kamboja blood!
The first and last seem to predominate
>
> No Indians today exist as a "PURE"" of this or that race! Remember that!
It is not a question of race but of ethnicity!
Shishir Yerramilli
Is Bsanrut a Kamboja name?
>
> Besides the Kambhojas Indo-Aryans, there are also said to be some
> Yavana people present in Pandukabhaya in SriLanka, round fourth c BC.
> Read History of Ceylon by S Parnavitana. Probably Karthika is a
> descendent of Yavanas with mileka , Daemeda or Mileka. She is not from
> Kambhoja lineage. Kambhojas are pure caucasiona, very tall, handsome
I doubt all of them look like Jackie Shroff!How do you know what
Karthika looks like?
> Ind-Aryans and very selfrespectfull people.
Is that why most of them are Muslim today?
bsanrut
Karthika you have to undestand that the Kambojas were an Aryan people
who first enterd Sinhala few centuries before BC....In fact Vijay of
Mahavamsa is supposed to from north-west and he sailed to Sri Lanka
from port from Gujrata/Lata desha. The descendents of Vijay and
followers later started to be addressed as Sinhalas because prince
Vijay came from Sinhapura near Taxila/Afghanistan. This sinhapura
find mention in mahabharata and it was adjoining the Kamboja/Gandhara
in north-west. The poeople of Sinhapura. Gandhara and Kamboja were all
related Aryan warriors who became Buddhists around 5-4th c BC. This
was one reasons as to why the the Brahmanical Sanskritic literature
started calling them non-Hindus, Mlechchas, Barbarian, non-vedic
tribes. These people have always been spreading to
Gujarat/Sindh/Sauvira but in meager numbers as early as 6c BC, but
during 2nd and ist c BC, there was huge tribal movement of Sakas,
Kambojas, Gandharas, Yavanas Pahlavas etc to Sindh, Gujarat,
Saurashtra, Sauvira, Rajasthan, Panjab, UP in north India. It were
prominently these Kamboja people who mainly colonised ancient Sri
Lanka and gave it the Sinhala name simply because these people had
come from Sinhapura located in north-west (Land of Kambojas etc)
Some people wrongly conclude that the Sinhalas have been from east
Indian region, and originally belonged to Rod region in Magdha/Bengal.
But this view does not stand the test of critical research. In fact,
researchers from Siri Lanka like Dr S Pranavitana have also
established that the ancestors of Sinhalese had originally come
fromnorth-west India. But some people like themselves to be connected
with Magadha for some personal or emotional reasons
which is not historically true. Of course in later centuries lot of
people from Kalinga/Magdha/Vanga also settledc in Sinhala and thus
they also constutes an important section of Aryan speaking people of
Sri Lanka.
The ancient Kambojas are known to have been a highly mobile and
versatile people and numerous researchers have stated that it were
these Kambojas who also gave their name to Kambodia/Kambuja. The some
Kamboja Kashatryas are stated to have migrated to Mekong Basin as
early as 5/6 vc AD and they founded Kambuja, the Chenla kingdom of the
Chinaese. The kings belonging to this dynasty grew in power in 6th/7th
c AD, subdued Funan an another Hindu Kingdom in Indoa-China and
established one of the most powerful Kamboja emppire in the farther
India.
Kambojas were themselves an Aryan tribe,---more correctly, partly
Indo-Aryan and partly Iranian Aryans. Dr Keith, Dr Mcdonnald, Dr Taran
and numerous other Indian as well as foreign researchers state that
ancient Kambojas had both an Indian as well Iranian affinities. The
Iranian Kambojas had some of the very famous kings like Cyrus-1,
Cambysis-1 (Kambujiya-1), Cyrus-2, Cambysis-2 (Kambujya-2), Darius the
Great etc.
The presence of Aryans is recognised in Kamboja in Buddhist literature
(Dr H. C Raychaudhury, Dr B. N. Banerjee in PHAI, 1996, 134). Buddhist
literature like Majjhima Nikaya specifically calls the Kambojas as
land of Aryas (Ayyo in Prakrit....see Majjhima Nikaya, II,
149...Kamboja Yona ).
Yona Kambojesu nasuca paccantismesu janapadesu dveva vanna
ayyo ceva dasa ca
ayyo huta daso hoti, daso hutva ayyo huti.
(Majjhima Nikaya II, 149)
The earliest sections of Mahabharata also styles the Kambojas as
Indo-Aryan. There is reference to great Kamboja sages in Vamsa
Brahamana (1/18) of Samveda and his father sage Upamanu of Rigveda (Rg
Veda 1/102/9).
Kamboja country is refered to as the homeland of Brahmanical learning
durinng the Epic Period (Dr. Benjamin Walker, Dr Pusalkar, Dr
Majumdar, Dr Ray Chaudhury, Dr B. C. Law, Dr Ludwig, Dr Zimmer etc
etc).
The great Indian Kamboja kings of the Epic era have been Mahabali
Sudakshina Kamboj, Maharaja Chandervarman Kamboj, Raj Kamath Kamboj,
Raja Yashovarman Kamboj etc etc.
The gist of the matter is that the Kambojas have been a Indo-Iranian
Aryans i.e both an Indoa Aryans as well as Inranian Aryans and have
been a prominent people in the north-west India since remote
antiquity.
In fact, the Pahlavas, Kambojas and Persian--- are all related tribe
or an ancient off-shoots from same original Aryan tribe.
regards
bsanrut
PS. Karthika, Belive me, again Gopalah is the personal name of a
Kamboja king or Parmukha called Gopalah. The name is found in Sinhala
cave inscription still in tact in ancient Anuradhapura region. You can
go and personally verify yourself. The information regarding this
inscriptions and many more can be found in Archaological Survey of
Ceylone Inscription Registers no 316, 1118, 1049, 1050 etc etc. There
are also references to the Kamboja Sanghas/Corporations (Kabojhya
Mahapughyana---register 1118). Also read for Dr S Paranavitana's
History of Ceylone, Vol I, Part I,p 88-92 for some additional
information.
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> > The true mlecchas are SQUEALING LIKE PIGS ALREADY! AND KALKI IS NOT
EVEN
> > HERE YET! HA, HA, HA!
>
> Remember Kunal,us Vedic people
Quit squealing like a pig, but he just called you a mleccha, and you are too
stupid to even notice.
Shishir Yerramilli ==> mleccha and mleccha ==> Shishir Yerramilli.
Therefore, Shishir Yerramilli <==> mleccha. QED
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Kaffir what has gotten you flying on a horse.
karthika
Coolie malayalee cannot whisper this word. Only warriors can. !
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> > KarthiKeya is the name of the warrior GOD!
>
> Mlecchas like you should be banned from using this name.
>
> > First invasion of Aryans ended in Sri Lanka and it was headed by
KARTHIKEYA.
>
> Really ,it wasnt a result of lion fucking then?
How is your ARAB fucking?
>
> > You Indians now dont know much because your present PEOPLE belongs to
> > MOSLEMS and ARABS than HINDUS!
>
> Once again ,you are talking about your Kamboja ancestors!
Many North Indians and you are the mixed product of ARABS!
>
> King Bindhusara's wife was a Yavana..
>
> One of Bindusara's wives and even Chandragupta wive's was Yavana!They
> had more than one wife!How does that make everyone else mixed!It
> doesnt mean Ashoka had Greek blood!
Asoka was born to a YAVANA!
> You
> > know King Asoka wrote his edicts in OLD Greek in Afghanistan as well!
>
> Of course,there was a Greek civilization in Gandhara!
>
> >
> > Why are you silent on Pallavas? Because not only you, many north Indians
> > knows nothing about Pallavas who extended their Kingdoms upto Cambodia!
>
> There are many theories for this,some of them include Kamboja.It is
> possible that Kambojas migrated there in early periods,however it
> cannot be established that Kambojas are responsible for the Varman
> dynasty.
>
> Pallavas influence maybe responsible for the architechture of Angkor
> Wat.
> In fact one Khmer found a place on a Pallava throne!Hmmm..Could this
Thanks for acknowledging the grand works and the bravery of my ancestors!
karthika
collaboration of S/Indians. He and his comrades took wives from Pandias.
Pandia is still in question because so far no meaning found in TAMIL for
Pandia.
Vijaya started his rule in TAMBA PANNI and Pandias started their rule at
TAMIRA BHARANI.
Both words have same meaning. Tamba panni is PALI and other is Sanskrit!
Further Pallava is not the Pahlava of Iran! That is something very much
wrong!
Pallava is a Unique word for that clan because they liberated part of the
S/India and the first dynasty to be mentioned. Pallava (=sprout = start to
grow) is closely translated as MUTHALI and that mean FIRST people.
Still the warriors of Pallava clans have MUTHALI as their last name. They
are called as KAIKOLA or KAIKULA in Pali means Kshatriya Kula. They have
their story connecting them to LORD SKANDA' s VEERA BAHU!
Pallava used the PALI for their inscriptions at first. That is a Magadhan
script! The same is found in Sri lanka in many places!
Further Buddhism was the main problem for Brahmins who became second class
in any Buddhist state. This is why they wrote the warriors as Mlechchas!
Further Kshatriya diplomacy created cross marriages in many places.
Brahmins tried to show their uniqness through their non-mixed heritage but
Brahmins are now completely diluted than any other castes by invading
Moslems and others.
South Indian Brahmins are look like NEGROS. How is this? North indian
brahmins behave like ARABS and MOSLEMS than HINDUS!
Now Brahmins and North Indians try to identify them with WHITE EUROPIANS!
This is a tragedy for HINDUS!
M. Ranjit Mathews
> South Indian Brahmins are look like NEGROS. How is this? North indian
> brahmins behave like ARABS and MOSLEMS than HINDUS!
> Now Brahmins and North Indians try to identify them with WHITE EUROPIANS!
Brahmins try to identify whom with white Europeans?
Kunal Singh
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> "Shishir Yerramilli" <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Once again Mr. Bsanrut you cannot defame my heritage and be my
> > friend at the same time!I never claimed I knew the etymology of
> > Pala.Certain south Indian kings also had Pala at the end of their
> > names!
>
>
> Quit squealing like a pig. Mr. Bsanrut has you beat. You are a true
mleccha
> for pretending to be the caste you are not. Serving your Arab master has
Kunal Singh
a 'mleccha' term. It is the most significant issue of this century and
perhaps many centuries preceding and following this one.
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transferred in Hinduism by paternity.
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> zodiac...@yahoo.co.uk (bsanrut) wrote in message
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>
> Is Bsanrut a Kamboja name?
> >
> > Besides the Kambhojas Indo-Aryans, there are also said to be some
> > Yavana people present in Pandukabhaya in SriLanka, round fourth c BC.
> > Read History of Ceylon by S Parnavitana. Probably Karthika is a
> > descendent of Yavanas with mileka , Daemeda or Mileka. She is not from
> > Kambhoja lineage. Kambhojas are pure caucasiona, very tall, handsome
>
> I doubt all of them look like Jackie Shroff!How do you know what
> Karthika looks like?
I don't know, most of the Afghans in war pictorials by US press look quite
UGLY! They have these big noses, are kind of skinny and scrawny when you
take away the loose clothing and the women .. UGH! THEY LOOK LIKE MEN! No
wonder most of these men are homosexuals! Afghani men are prettier looking
than the Afghan women and that aint saying much!
Kunal Singh
> So, your Khamboja theory is not applicable here. Language based racism in
> Sri Lanka is a product of English rule! India is splitted on language
lines
> because of the British rule!
>
> Sinhalese started to claim ""ARYANS"" after 1920s mailnly! Further
> Paranavitana was a racist researcher and not a credible historian! Many
> Sinhalese who have origins in South India now cry that they are Aryans!
One
> example is SENANAYKE family who came to Kandyan Kingdom during the time of
> Vijaya Nagar but he was the # 1 Sinhala politician. Bandaranayake clan is
> Tamil. JR Jayawardene the other Malayala decendent Sinhala politician!
But you don't understand. This association with Aryans itself seems a
genetic mleccha tendency. The Indian mleccha castes were the first to
embrace it and promote it. I figure it must have been similar in Sri Lanka,
though I don't know enough about the caste structure to tell who is what
there.
Kunal Singh
> Let it be a quiz for you and your friend Vedic Aryan Kunal Singh, and
> I hope, being from Andhra Pardesh, you guys would have answer for us.
Correction to the mleccha use of terminology. I am a Vedic Arya, not a
Vedic Aryan, as my caste originated before the Aryan term originated in
Europe. I am not a Puritan either, as my ancestors were there before the
Puritans migrated to the US. Just some very important clarifications that
have to be made, as deliberate attempts are being made by mlecchas to cause
loss of identity amongst the Vedic people and causing identity confusion.
> Was this king Kambhoja of Andhra folktales also a maha-mlechcha
> Kambhoja? If yes, then why is his glory, daring achievements and
> adventures are still popularly sung by you Andharites on every
> colorful cultural festivities?
>
> Does not it reveal that you Andharaites have also been greatly
> influenced
> by Mlechcha warrior Kambojas, whose king, till date,is a traditional
> hero of your folktales?
Nobody likes 'mlecchas' amongst the Vedic castes. Talking of geography and
folk tales is kind of silly, as some folks that may be settled in Andhra
Pradesh may be the Kambhojas for all we know. Wherever there are mlecchas
there is a conflict. Look at Nepal and its foreign kings, UP and its
mleccha Thakurs, Bihar and its mleccha Bhumihars, and now Sinhalas fighting
with the Vedic LTTE. Wherever there seems to be the presence of mlecchas,
there is a caste war! It is quite obvious to anyone but the deliberately
pretentious blind.
Kunal Singh
to convince any Vedic people of the greatness of mleccha kings!
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> Yerramilli
>
> You are indeed very prejudiced and ignorant mind.
>
> Anyway, I'm waisting my time with thick people Im sure.
>
> See site below for one instance, featureing actor Gumamdi. I believe
> the film has been made several times featuring diuifferent starts
>
> 158. Kambhoja Raju Katha
> http://www.hamarashehr.com/bin/ppf/a/p/did/5/movies.htm
>
> You indeed seem very poorly informed. That is the reason why you are
> also goofing on the Palas/Kambojas also. Know your
> State/Culture/People first before commenting on Kambojas.
>
> Also, you are again ill informed about the Kambhoja Raja Kathalu. The
> Kambhoja Raja is seen as a great Chakravarti Rajs, adventurer
> expeditionist and a great warrior hero.
>
> It is in your own best interest to learn your own history and the
> people who had ruled over you guys with iron hand.
>
> QUESTION: WHO COULD BE THIS GREAT WARRIOR ADVENTURER KAMBHOJA, BY THE
> WAY?
>
> regards
>
> bsanrut
>
> yshi...@hotmail.com (Shishir Yerramilli) wrote in message
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> > zodiac...@yahoo.co.uk (bsanrut) wrote in message
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> > > Hi Shishir Yerrmilli
> > >
> > > Namsakar,
> > >
> > > I know when people lose their case they start badmouthing, and resort
> > > to cheap shots and all kind of ad-hominum attacks on their victors.
> > > These are the true signs of defeated people. Guys, you and your
> > > self-claimed vedic friend have already lost your case. Now go take a
> > > ceremonial vedic showers and restart your Pala case with more
> > > convincing evidence!
> >
> > Your "evidence" is less than convincing itself.Inspite of my repeated
> > requests,you havent answered why your Kamboja brothers invited Cholas
> > to invade the Pala realm?
> >
> >
> > Once again the mleccha tradition of calling such catastrophes
> > victories continues!
> >
> > >
> > > ALSO I learn that there is great story called Kamboja Raja
> > > Kathalu----the story of Kambhoja Raja, a very popular folk tale among
> > > the people of Andhra Pardesh. I hear that in Andhra folklores, This
> > > Kamboja king is seen as an extremely
> > > ferocious, cruel, adventuorous and mighty powerful king of the
> > > Kambhojas. But
> > > can you let us know who possibly was this Kambhoja king?.
> >
> > Yes!There was a Kamboja king and he was quite cruel and
> > tyrannical.His death was celebrated by all,is this what you were
> > referring to!I dont know the details of this story!
> >
> > > Let it be a quiz for you and your friend Vedic Aryan Kunal Singh, and
> > > I hope, being from Andhra Pardesh, you guys would have answer for us.
> >
> > > Was this king Kambhoja of Andhra folktales also a maha-mlechcha
> > > Kambhoja? If yes, then why is his glory, daring achievements and
> > > adventures are still popularly sung by you Andharites on every
> > > colorful cultural festivities?
> >
> > His glory is not celebrated but rather his death!ONCE AGAIN THIS
> > PROVES YOU ARE A MLECCHA!
> >
> > >
> > > Does not it reveal that you Andharaites have also been greatly
> > > influenced
> > > by Mlechcha warrior Kambojas, whose king, till date,is a traditional
> > > hero of your folktales?
> >
Kunal Singh
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> > Hahahah
> > You have stories.
> > Ramayana mention some people as monkeys in South India!
>
> Vanars are not monkeys!
>
> > Are they your ancestors?
>
> I will be prouder to have monkeys as my ancestors than Sinhalas!
Ha, ha, ha! Vanars were indeed a tribal group, and Hanuman came from the
Jharkhand region of India. His parents were tribal kings, he was
essentially a nobleman. This is very important as Rama Navami is
practically around the corner!
But that leads us to an important question, exactly what castes comprise the
Sinhala identity ?
Kunal Singh
I wonder how these great powerful crushers of their enemies simply vanished
after their inscriptions were written! Maybe it was their epitaphs!
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> Truth hurts self-claimed vedic blokes like you. You have been
> spreading disinformotaion on these pages. Note again, there is less
> than 1% probability of Palas of Bengal being from Yadavas extraction.
> Not even a single, again not even a single reference to Palas being
> from Yadava tribe are found in the numerous inscriptions and copper
> plates of Bengal!!. But there several references to Kambojas being
> Pala kings. You know who has claimed to be Gaudapati or LORD OF GAUDA
> country? Is he Pala Yadava? Who was this Chakravarti king, the Lord of
> Gauda, the crusher & destroyer of all his enemies (see Dinajpore
> Kamboja Pillar Inscriptions). Was he Pala Yadava? Historians are
> comming with different interpretations of Bengala history. So stop
> claiming Palas of Bengal as Yadavas. This is sacrelege.
>
> Also tell us about something Kambhoja Raja Kathalu. Who was this
> ferocious, daring, adventurous Chakravarti king of Andhra folktales
> whom the Andhraites fondly take as their hero?
> There have been several movies made on him in Andhra Pardesh?
>
> Give us your input, vedic fella.
>
> bsanrut
>
> "Kunal Singh" <ksi...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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> > This is utter 'mleccha' junk and deserves to be read and distributed
only in
> > Gandasa's Sakasthan which has already been discovered to be Bali!
> >
> > bsanrut <zodiac...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > > GOPALA, PALA , NAMES AND THE YADAVA/PALA & KAMBOJA QUESTION:
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > ***
> > > Here is ancient Evidence (300 BC) of that Gopala has been a personal
> > > name for Kambojas. Chieftain of Kambojas in Srilanka had his personal
> > > name Gopala. We will see later if the Kambojas were Indoa-Aryans or
> > > Iranians or both...But right now FIRST THINGS FIRST PLEASE.
> > >
> > > Hi, Friend Yerrmilli:
> > > Your argument that name Goplala, and the suffix Pala is only a Yadava
> > > related
> > > name and therefore, the Pala kings of Bengal were of Yadava extraction
> > > and further that Kamboja kings of Bengal had imitated Pala names and
> > > imperial titles from Yadavas(?) Palas of Bengal is also very
> > > subjective and misleading. What about name Bhagyadevi, the name of
> > > queen of Rajyapala of Irdatamraptra (Kambojavamsatilaka)? Did the
> > > Kamboja queen also imitate her personal name from the wife of
> > > Rajyapala-1 of Bengal? It is improper to argue on those lines.
> > >
> > > yshi...@hotmail.com (Shishir Yerramilli) wrote in message
M. Ranjit Mathews
> bsanrut <zodiac...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote ...
>
>>Hi Shishir Yerrmilli
>>Let it be a quiz for you and your friend Vedic Aryan Kunal Singh, and
>>I hope, being from Andhra Pardesh, you guys would have answer for us.
>
>
> Correction to the mleccha use of terminology. I am a Vedic Arya, not a
> Vedic Aryan, as my caste originated before the Aryan term originated in
> Europe.
Correct!
Seeker
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karthika
Negros too shout "PAKI" at Indians!
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karthika
and suck the blood of others. In the name of the religion, Brahmins cheat
others!
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karthika
You pray a monkey and ask others to believe your MONKEY stories too!
But you cry against the people who fought against inavaders and protected
HINDUS including you!
Hanuman was north Indian? Then who was the Vaalee and Shukreeva in the
Ramayan? South Indians?
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Shishir Yerramilli
If you grill Sinhala mlecchas like Karthika for long enough,they
will become vague and evasive about all pretences of association with
glorious Southern and Magadha kingdoms and concentrate on their
"egalitarian ,casteless" Buddhist society which was spawned by
lionfuckers.
Shishir Yerramilli
> Prince Vijaya may be from NW India but he established his rule with the
> collaboration of S/Indians. He and his comrades took wives from Pandias.
There is no evidence for this,you must be confusing him with
Parakrama Bahu!
> Pandia is still in question because so far no meaning found in TAMIL for
> Pandia.
Why should the dynasty name matter?They might as well be named for
Pandavas and their capital was Madurai(Mathura)?Is there a word in
Sinhala for Pallava?
>
> Vijaya started his rule in TAMBA PANNI and Pandias started their rule at
> TAMIRA BHARANI.
>
> Both words have same meaning. Tamba panni is PALI and other is Sanskrit!
This does not sound like Pali!
>
> Further Pallava is not the Pahlava of Iran! That is something very much
> wrong!
>
> Pallava is a Unique word for that clan because they liberated part of the
> S/India and the first dynasty to be mentioned. Pallava (=sprout = start to
> grow) is closely translated as MUTHALI and that mean FIRST people.
> Still the warriors of Pallava clans have MUTHALI as their last name. They
> are called as KAIKOLA or KAIKULA in Pali means Kshatriya Kula. They have
> their story connecting them to LORD SKANDA' s VEERA BAHU!
>
> Pallava used the PALI for their inscriptions at first. That is a Magadhan
> script! The same is found in Sri lanka in many places!
Of course ,the main canon of Buddhists was in Pali.
>
> Further Buddhism was the main problem for Brahmins who became second class
> in any Buddhist state. This is why they wrote the warriors as Mlechchas!
They didnt write Andhras or Tamils as mlecchas!
>
> Further Kshatriya diplomacy created cross marriages in many places.
> Brahmins tried to show their uniqness through their non-mixed heritage but
> Brahmins are now completely diluted than any other castes by invading
> Moslems and others.
ONly North Indian ones.
>
> South Indian Brahmins are look like NEGROS.
They do not look like Negroes!However they are dark and it implies
they may not be all different from rest of the population.
How is this? North indian
> brahmins behave like ARABS and MOSLEMS than HINDUS!
Which ones?
> Now Brahmins and North Indians try to identify them with WHITE EUROPIANS!
Only some crackpots like Balgangadhar Tilak.
Shishir Yerramilli
> heheheheeheh
> Coolie malayalee cannot whisper this word. Only warriors can. !
Warriors as in the Sinhala army?
> "Shishir Yerramilli" <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > KarthiKeya is the name of the warrior GOD!
> >
> > Mlecchas like you should be banned from using this name.
> >
> > > First invasion of Aryans ended in Sri Lanka and it was headed by
> KARTHIKEYA.
> >
> > Really ,it wasnt a result of lion fucking then?
>
> How is your ARAB fucking?
Sinhalas have sufficient Arab blood for me to answer the above
question in the affirmative.
> >
> > > You Indians now dont know much because your present PEOPLE belongs to
> > > MOSLEMS and ARABS than HINDUS!
> >
> > Once again ,you are talking about your Kamboja ancestors!
>
> Many North Indians and you are the mixed product of ARABS!
>
There were no Arabs in Andhra,mleccha whore!
> > King Bindhusara's wife was a Yavana..
> >
> > One of Bindusara's wives and even Chandragupta wive's was Yavana!They
> > had more than one wife!How does that make everyone else mixed!It
> > doesnt mean Ashoka had Greek blood!
>
> Asoka was born to a YAVANA!
Mleccha whores like Karthika would like to beleive this,alas it is
not true!
>
> > You
> > > know King Asoka wrote his edicts in OLD Greek in Afghanistan as well!
> >
> > Of course,there was a Greek civilization in Gandhara!
> >
> > >
> > > Why are you silent on Pallavas? Because not only you, many north Indians
> > > knows nothing about Pallavas who extended their Kingdoms upto Cambodia!
> >
> > There are many theories for this,some of them include Kamboja.It is
> > possible that Kambojas migrated there in early periods,however it
> > cannot be established that Kambojas are responsible for the Varman
> > dynasty.
> >
> > Pallavas influence maybe responsible for the architechture of Angkor
> > Wat.
> > In fact one Khmer found a place on a Pallava throne!Hmmm..Could this
>
> Thanks for acknowledging the grand works and the bravery of my ancestors!
>
As long as you beleive the story of lion fucking,it doesnt make any
difference to me what you pretend to be.
Shishir Yerramilli
You can say fancy things like QED all you want,but you arent fooling
anyone,you will remain a mleccha!
M. Ranjit Mathews
> North Indians mainly Brahmins think they are WHITE and close to Europeans.
North Indians are not mainly Brahmins. Be that as it may, what do
North Indian Brahmins think their connection is with Europeans?
> "M. Ranjit Mathews" <ranjit_...@yahoo.com> wrote ...
Kunal Singh
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Kunal Singh
> Kings are the supporters of the Brahmins who eat without any physical work
> and suck the blood of others. In the name of the religion, Brahmins cheat
> others!
This is indeed the case nowadays. But it was not the case formerly. The
relationship between Brahmins and Kings was that the Brahmins preserved the
history of the kings and thus most of the rewards given to Brahmins in
ancient times came from Kings. Thus there was little need to fleece the
common man and the Kings were better judges of who was qualified and who
wasn't as the average person only has various religious markings to go by.
Kunal Singh
the parents of Hanuman were involved just as most kings in the politics of
the region even from a distance.
I am a Vedic person, so I believe the accounts of my ancestors. You claim
to be Vedic and yet you believe more in the 'mlecchas.' And who protected
me as a Hindu against foreign invaders ? Most of the mleccha tribes have
sold out to the foreigners to gain a cut, if you haven't figured this out
yet, you are just plain slow.
The mleccha Hindus came into Bharatvarsha and infiltrated first, setting one
kingdom against the other, assasinating the powerful monarchs like
Harshavardhana until they could take over. And then of course once they did
take over they immediately arranged for pacts with the Muslim invaders (Sena
dynasty of Mithila, Rajputs etc.). Then when the British came, they became
their sepoys so that they could rule under them. So who are these mlecchas
who have protected me again ?
It is time for the truth to emerge, and rest assured IT WILL!
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> > > > The true mlecchas are SQUEALING LIKE PIGS ALREADY! AND KALKI IS NOT
> > EVEN
> > > > HERE YET! HA, HA, HA!
> > >
> > > Remember Kunal,us Vedic people
> >
> > Quit squealing like a pig, but he just called you a mleccha, and you are
too
> > stupid to even notice.
> >
> > Shishir Yerramilli ==> mleccha and mleccha ==> Shishir Yerramilli.
> > Therefore, Shishir Yerramilli <==> mleccha. QED
>
> You can say fancy things like QED all you want,but you arent fooling
> anyone,you will remain a mleccha!
Why are so ashamed of being a mleccha? You are what you are.
Karuval Suntha
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> > Coolie malayalee cannot whisper this word. Only warriors can. !
>
> Warriors as in the Sinhala army?
Sin hala army = rapist = looters = killers of children and oldies
bsanrut
YU-CHE/SAKA/KAMBOJA DISPLACEMENT FROM CENTRAL ASIA (HISTORICAL BACK
GROUND):
(SECOND C BC): Mongolia (north of China) was inhabited by Hiung Nu
tribe which has been called Unnoi by Greeks, Hunni by Latins and Huna
by Indian texts. From Chinese records we learn that these Hiung Nu
were not Mongols but were a Turkish race. Once these people became
organized, they started terrible military expeditions against the
Chinese. During the reign of Chinese Emprors of Tsin Dynasty, the
Chinese had to construct a long and huge wall to protect themselves
from the barbaric attacks of the Hunni people. The wall is today known
as great wall of China. As a result, the Hunnas had to change their
strategy and started attacking China from the west via Kan Su
province. This Kan Su was the territory of the Yueh-Chih (Yuches)
tribe, who are also known as Kushans in Indian history. In 176, the
Yuches were kicked out from Kan Su by the Hunnas. Homeless, one
section of the Yueh-chih (Siao Yuches) proceeded to Nan-shaan area and
settled there. The other section of the Yuches called great Yuches
(Ta-Yuches) proceeded to the west via Altai Mt and reached the region
around Issyk-kul lake which was probably the land of the Saka
Tigrakhauda. This country was located on north of Jaxartes river
around lake Issyk-kul, upto Ili river in the north in Uzbekstan. At
this phase of history, the Bacteria, some parts from Badakshan (part
of ancient Kamboja land) and some parts of Korasmia were under the
control of the Greeks (the aftermath of Alexander’ invasion).
The Sugads, Sugidhik or Shulks of Iranian affinities were in control
of modern Sogdian and probably Bukhara regions of Central Asia. The
old Kamboja and Param Kamboja lands of the Centeral Asia, especially
of the Badakshan area…seem to have been disintegrated after the
Alexandra’s Invasion. It appears that they were living under
over all political influence of the Greeks in Badakshan, at least.
There is no clue about the status of the Pamirian Kambojas from any
source at this phase of history. Probably, they were also disinterated
into several smaller clannish democratic units as was the custom among
the post-Buddhist Kambojas (Kautalya’s Arathshastra: 11/1/4). As
stated above, located to the north of Sugadas, north of Juxartes river
in Uzbekstan, were the Sakas of the Haumverga Saka tribe and were
probably of Iranian affinities but they spoke special language which
was, in some respects, different from the Iranian. These people have
been called differently by different writers. They are the Sacea of
the Iranians, Sakas of the Indians, the Ashkuzai of the Assyrians, Sai
of the Chinese, and Skuthoi/Skuthai/Scythae of the Greeks.
“Some Modrern scholars assume, implicitly or explicitly that the
Scyths and Sakas, Sacae, Sai Sakai etc tribes are one and the same
people ethnically. But several earlier Greek and Latin texts indicate
otherwise. The Sakai of Herodotus were in truth the Amurgioi Skuthais
(i.e. Ammyurgian Scythians) (History, VII, 64). Strabo indicates that
Sakais and several other tribes were known as Skuthais. (XI, 8, 2).
Arrian refers to the Sakai as Skuthon (a Scythian people!) or the
Skuthai (the Scythians) who imhabit Asia. (Ambaseos Alexandrou, III,
8, 3). Ptolemy describes not only the Skuthios (Scythia) ‘within
the Imaos (Himalayas) and beyond the Imaos, but also speaks of
‘land of the Sakais (VI, 12, 1f; VI, 13; 1f, VI, 15, 1f). From
above, it is clear that to the above Greek and Latin writers, all
Sakas weree Scythians, but not all Scythians were Sakas. According to
Herodotus, the Persians used to call all Skuthais by the name Sakas
(VII, 64). Plini stated that to some tribes of the Scythae
(Scythians), the Persian have given the name of Sacae (=Saka)
‘from tribe nearest to them’ (Naturalis Historia, VI, 19,
50). This probably explains as to why the Scythians began to be called
Sakas. Originally and foundamentally, the name Saka and the Skutha
(Scythae) did not have the same connotations.” (Dr B. N.
Mukerjee, PHAI, 1996, p 690-91).
We find some information about the Sacae from the old Persian
Inscriptions of the Ancient Kambujyias (Sanskrit Kambojas) of the
Achamenid dynasty as well as from the writings of Herodotus of Greece.
Under the term Scythae, fall several tribes probably of different
ethnic groups most of whom spoke Indo-Eropean family of languages.
According to modern historians, many of Indo-European tribes of the
Steppes ( Sakas, Kambojas, Khashas, Dardas, Sugads and Parthians etc)
were indeed the rougher nomadic tribes of the Indo-Iranian Aryan group
which were left behind after the main tribal population of
Indo-Iranians had left Central Asian Steppes and enterd Iran and India
about 1500c BC. (Report---Ethnography of Ancient India, p 43, by Dr
Robert Shafer, USA, Ancient Kamboja, People & the Country, 1981 by Dr
J. L. Kamboj). Identical are the views of Serge Thion, a noted
prolific writer & well known Political Analyst from France. As stated
above, the Greek Skuthai/Scythe or Skuthon is a general term to
represent several tribes which shared identical cultural elements (but
not necessarily the ethnicity). Interestingly, these people had
preserved intact few of the ancient customs from their once a joint
Indo-Iranian group of the yore. According to ancient Persian
inscriprtions of Achamenian kings (Old Persian ka(n)bujiya or perhaps
ka(n)bUjiya, cf. Elamite Kan-bu-zi-ia and Akkadian Kam-bu-zi-ia, Skt.
Kamboja… per Dr Michael Witzel, University of Harvard) there
were three Saca tribes of note. Sacae Haumavarga (Saka with pointed
helmet), Sacae Tigrakhauda , Sacae Teradaraya (Sacae beyond the Sea).
The Haumavarga Sakas are probably the Sakas mentioned in O.P
Inscriptions as living beyond the Sugadi or Sogdiana (modrern Bukhara
region) and in the works of Herodotus, as the neighbors of the
Bacterians. They are also supposed to have lived in the plains of
Jaxartes or Syr Darya in modern Turkeminstan. The Saka Tigrakhauda
have been identified to be living at lower streams of jaxartes towards
Aral sea. The third category of Sakas have been those who dwelt in the
Russian Steppes to the north of Black sea (Saka Taradaraya). Besides
these main tribes described above, there were several smaller Saka
tribes located in the the vast atreas of the Steppes spread from
Hindukush in the south upto Russian Steppes north of Black sea. As
stated above, all Sakas were Scythes but not all Skuthais were Saka
tribes. The steppe region in general was the Scythe country and every
tribe lliving there would often be called Saka irrespect of ethnic
connotations.
After loosing their home in Kan-Su province to the Hiung-Nu (Hunnas)
the Great Yueh-Chih had entered the Saka Haumavarga country (Issyk-kul
north of Syr Darya). The Yuechi easily defeated the Wusun Sakas in the
Ili area. The Sakas agreed to let the Yuches settle in their area and
live togather as good neighbors. But little later, the Wusun Sakas
rebelled and with the support of Yuches’ former enemies, the
Hiung-Nu or Hunnas, the Wusun Sakas were able to expel the Yuches to
south side of Jaxartes river towards Sugad and Fargana. Some parts
Faragana and region East of Juxartes/Oxus Doab upto Kashgar had been
the land of the Kambojas since ancient times (Param Kamboja of
Mahabharta), but at later age, some Saka tribes seem to have occupied
several territories in Samarkand, Fargana and Kashgar area and at some
places, they constituted the major tribal force of this region.
Thus, at this phase of history, we see the Saka tribes (Haumavarga)
living in the same region which in earlier times was the exclusive
land of the Kambojas. This means, either the Kambojas had been kicked
out of their land by the Sakas or else, during early 2nd c BC, both
the Saka and Kamboja tribes were living side by side in the same vast
geographical area of Central Asia lying between Oxus and Jaxartes
rivers and spread upto Pamirs. The probability of the second
alternative is very strong since from numerous sources of the Greeks,
Roman, Moslem and Chinese writers of later centuries, we still find
the foot prints of numerous Kamboja tribes and of the Kamboja lands or
Kamboja country respectively (i.e. Kamoi, Kumiji/Kumija, Kamdoi,
Khamroi, Kumi, Kumadh, Kiomoche, Kumito as Kamboj tribes etc and
Kamdei, Komdei, Kamadas, Komedon, Kambuson, Kamboth/Cambothy as Kamboj
country etc) ) in the same geographical areas (ref: Ptolemy’s
Geography; Mcgrindle, Ancient India, Trans & edited by Dr R. C.
Majumdar,p 268, 275, 278,284, 325 etc , Central Asiatic Provinces of
The Mauryas Empire, p 403 Dr H. C. Seth; India and Central Asia, Dr P.
C. baghchi, p 25; Ancient Kamboja, People and the Country, 1981, Dr
Jia lal, pp 301, 49).
Dr P. C. Bagchi writes on page 25 of his --India and Central Asia
thus:--- Kumito country was east to Khotlan. It has been accepted as
Kumeda. In the historical documents of Chinese Chronicler T’ang,
it has been mentioned as Kumi; but in those of Wu-K’ong, it has
been written as Kiumoche. Moslem writers including Arabs have written
it as Kumadh. Mkidisi documents that this territory was controlled by
war- like people whom he writes as Kumijis or Kumija (=Kambojas).
Probably they were of Turko-Iranian origin. The Greek writers have
called this (Sogdiana/Fargana) area and its people variously as
Cambothi, Kambuson, Komedon, Kambyson etc. The scholars have
identified these Kumeda, Komroi, Kumi, Kiumoche, Kumito etc npeople
with Kambojas mentioned in the Indian Sanskrit/Pali literature and
Ashoka's rock edicts (cf: Indian and Central Asia, p 25 by Dr P. C.
Bagchi).
Interestingly, during 7th c AD, this area AGAIN came to be addressed
as Kamboja-desha since the Kashmiri writer, Kalhana testifies to this
fact in his famous Rajatrangini while describing the military
expeditions of celebrated Indian king Lalitaditya Muktapida of
Kashmir. (IV-.165-66, Rajatrangini)
Also from Shukarja Trangini by Parja Bhatta, (Tranlation by Raghu Nath
Singh) of Mediaval age (15th c AD), we find indirectly that the
Kamboja country and Kamboja people as the inhabitants of Fargana some
time befor Babur. Babur was a Mongol king from Fargana, the ancient
land of Param Kambojas, which fact has been attested to in the below
noted shloka
Example:
Kamboj-yavaneshan Baburayan Vipatit:
Tadey Hastinapuramibhrahimi nripeshvar: (ShukarRajaTrangini p 110).
i.e. Babur was a Yavana Raja (alien king) from the Kamboja land or
Kamboja country…………………………...
(Note: As stated before, we also see from the Achamenian kings’
Inscriptions that Sakas are described as the inhabitants of Fargana/
Sogdiana and eastern parts of the Syr/Oxus Doab (Haumavarga Sakas).
Also according RajaTrangini of Parja Bhatta above, the area Babur
hailed from, has been stated as ancient ‘Kamboja’ country.
Babur belonged to Monglolian tribe but hailed from
‘FARGANA’ region, which according to Acharya Parja Bhatta
was the so-called Kamboja land or a Kamboja Country of Sanskrit/Pali
traditions. Thus the O.P. Inscriptions of Persian kings place the
Sakas in the same location where Sanskrit writer Parja Bhatta of
fourth Rajatrangini places the Ancient Kambojas. This again verifies
that some Kamboja tribes and the some Saka tribes had been probably
living either in the contigous lands, or else were they living side by
side in the same country i.e. Fargana/Sogdiana and Doabs of Amy/Syr
Darya )
AND:
Further, the Monghyr Inscriptions of Deva Pala of Bengal attest to the
existence of a Kamboja country in north region of India located in
Central Asia, north of Kashmir, from which country and the people, the
Pala kings of Bengal are said to be purchasing their horses. (Time
phase: 810-850 c AD)
Example: Kambojesu cha yasya vajiyuvabhi:….Kantashicharam
dikshata …(Shloka 11)
COMMENT: Here the Kambojas refered to above are obviously the Kambojas
located in the Uttarapatha, in the north-east Afghanistan somewhere
and were neighbors to Dardas. This land was the land of the Republican
Kambojas (Kambojana cha ye ganah: MBH 7/91/39) and had seen a war with
Karana (e.g. Karana Rajapuram gatva, Kamboja Nirjita-stvaya. (Mbh
7/4/5)). The Rajapura here has been identified with Rajori in
south-east Kashmir and it was indeed the metropolis of the Republican
Kambojas (MBH 7/91/39)..
All the above documentation of later centuries confirms that the
Kamboja did not leave their ancestral land in their entirety. Also
that the intruding Sakas did not kick out the Kamboja tribes like the
Saka themselves were kicked out by the intruding Yuches from Issyk-kul
area. All above also testifies to the historical fact that at least
several clans of the Kambojas and Sakas were living as neighbors
probably in the same area in the Doab of Oxus/Jaxartes rivers spread
as far as Samarkand and upto Kashgar in Chinese Turkistan before the
arrival of Yuches. Considerable portion of the Saka and Kamboja
Population, later though, might have left this region under Yuche
pressure, but still there must have remained some population behind
which later must have lived under the political sway and influence of
the Yuches.. After all, this is what has always been happening in the
human history and continue to happen till date. This also explains as
to why, later, when the political clout of the Yuches dwindled in
later centuries, the Kambojas of this region again asserted themselves
and once again established their Kamboja kingdom after several
centuries, to which Chinese traveler (7th c AD) Hiun Tsang
specifically refers to as ‘Kumito’ and to the same country
the Kashmiri writer, Kalhana of Raja Trangini also specifically refers
to as Kamboja while describing the Digvijay of king Lalita Ditya of
Kashmir(8th c AD).[see references above].
After their defeat by the combined forces of Wu-Sun Sakas and the
Hiung-nu, the great Yuches then entered the Doab of Jaxartes/Oxus.
They seem to have kicked out many Saka and Kamboja tribes from this
region as well as from Badakshan. Badakshan was also earlier a part of
Kambojas in the pre-Yuche times. This land was politically controlled
by the Greeks after Alexandra’s invasion, but in the 2nd c BC,
the Yuches took political and geographical control of the Badakshan
country and the land then started to be addressed as Tuchchara/Tukhara
country, after the Tukhara tribe of the Yuches, who had occupied
Badakshan (Ref: Bharat Bhumi Aur Unke Nivasi 1927, p 297-304,
Raghu’s line Conquest along Indian Northern Border, 6th Indian
Oriental Conference, 1930, pp 100 ff; Bhartya Itihaas ki Ruprekha, p
523-37; Bhartya Itihaas Ki Mimansa, p 221-222; Vishal Bharat, part 7,
No 6, June 1931, p 777-783 Dr J. C. Vidyalankar, Ancient Kamboja,
People and the Country, 1981, by Dr J. L. Kamboj, p 300, 129).
Thus majority of Kamboja tribes had left Badakshan and Fargana and
appear to have joined the Saka dispersion from across the Oxus towards
Afghanistan and then towards east Iran (Sakasthan=Seistan). But it
natural that some Kamboja tribes must have reconciled to the
occupation of major part of their land by the Yuches and preferred to
stay behind rather than move with Sakas to an unknown land. There is
no definite clue about the Pamirian Kambojas at this time. Seems like
they were left undisturbed by the major displacements in human
population that had occurred during this age. These Kambojas have
their descendents in the modern Tajiks of Tajikstan & North
Afghanistan…an Aryan people who have held their own inspite of
centuries of Greek, Turkish and Mongol rule (Dr Suniti Kumar
Chatterjee). According to Dr Griesen's & Dr J. C. Vidyalankar’s
researches, the Tajiks of Badakshan are found ethnically belonging to
the same race as the Galcha speakers of the Tajikstan. (Kamboja People
of Yaska……First series of Avesta, Pahlavi and Ancient
Persian Studies in honor of the late Shams-ul-ulama Dastur Peshantanji
Behramji Sanjana…Strassberg & Liepzig 1904, pp 213 ff; Dr
Grieson G. A. The Language of the Kambojas, J.R. A. S, 1911, p 801-2.
Linguistic Survey of India, Vol X, p 456, Dr J. C. Vidyalankar).
According to Dr Motichander, Dr J. C. Vidyalankar, Dr S. K.
Chatterjee, Dr Jya Lal, Dr Lassen etc the Tajiks of Tajikstan are the
modern representatives (descendents) of the ancient Kambojas (Bhart
Bhumi Aur Unke Nivasi, p 313-314, 226, BHARTYA Itihaas Ki Mimansa, p
335 by Dr J. C. Vidyalankar; Cultural Heritage of India, Vol I, p 44,
Dr Suniti Kumar).
The Yuches had expelled the Sakas (and the Kambojas) from Tran-oxian
regions. In their north-west movements, these tribes destroyed the
Bacterian kingdom of Greeks and occupied this region for a while. But
the Ta-Yuches followed these tribes close behind upto Bacteria and
expelled them further into Afghanistan. After the dispersal of Sakas
along with several clans of the Kambojas from Oxus valley by the
Yuches, they first tried to enter Kabol valley, but their movements
were checked by the Greeks kingdom of Kabol. They turned towards Heart
and then towards Drangiana and settled in East Iran which land later
came to be known as Sakasthan ( Seistan). According to scholars, the
tide of Saka movement towards Seistan must have been flowing from the
time when the Sakas had been displaced by the Yeeh-Chih from their
home beyond the Juxartes in the second c BC. The Parthian emperors who
were in possession of east Iran struggled hard with these Sakas and
Phrastes II (138-128BC) and Artabanus (128-123 BC) lost their lives in
the strife. It was mithradates II (123-088 BC) who finally subdued the
Sakas. The tide of the Saka movement thus checked by the Parthian
kings ultimately started flowing towards valley of Sindhu. But many of
the Saka chiefs seem to have accepted the Parthian suzerainty.
Scholars state that, in reality, there had occurred so much intimate
social, political cultural and linguistic admixture among the Kambojas
and Yavanas; Parthians, Sakas and the Kambojas; and Sakas and the
Parthians during second/first c BC that it is very difficult indeed to
identify the one tribe from the other (op. cit p 308 Dr Jiya Lal).
According to several historians (see reference that follow), per
limited information available from few ancient sources, the Sakasthan
(Seistan) is assumed to be the land of Saka population only. But
indirectly, there are evidences that Kambojas tribes from Central Asia
who had accompanied the Saka dispersion also constituted a
considerable part of the population of Sakasthan even though they have
not been identified as a distinct group of people from the Sakas in
the limited information which is available so far. The Kambojas rather
have been counted as a part of the Saka population here. (see Ref: The
Sakas in India, p 14, Dr. S. Chattapadhya; The Development of Khroshti
Script, p 77, Dr C. C. Dasgupta; Hellenism in Ancient India, p 120; Dr
G. N. Banerjee; Ancient Kamboja, People and the Country, 1980, pp
297-309, Dr J. L. Kamboj).
This is not surprising at all. We find this kind of situation in Kabol
valley/Afghanistan, where there was numerous Saka, Yavana, Kamboja and
Gandhara population during Ashoka’s times but Ashoka’s
edicts mention only the Gandharas, Yonas and Kambojas, but not the
Sakas. According to the scholars, in fact, the Sakas here have been
counted amongst the Kambojas in the Ashoka’s Rock edicts in
Kabol/Afghanistan area. (see ref: JBORS, Vol XVI, part III & IV; 1930,
Hindu Polity, p 144 Dr K. P. Jayswal) .
One more example: From Mathura lion Capital Inscriptions, we see the
presence of Kambojas and Sakas in Mathura, but yet the Mahabharata
(MBH 12/102/5) mentions only the Kambojas and Yavanas as the occupants
of Mathura and does not specify Saka as a tribe separately from
Kambojas or Yavanas.i.e the Sakas people have been counted amomg the
Kamboja tribes here.(JASB, Vol XLIII, part I, 1878, pp 269, 271 Dr R.
L. Mitra; Hellenism in Ancient India, pp 19-20, By Dr G. N. banerjee).
The term Yavana was used not only for Greeks but also for any
foreigners including Kambojas, Sakas etc (op cit, 19-20).
From Seistan, the Sakas and Kambojas, later spread into north-west
India including Sindhu, Sauvir, Gujrat, Kathiawad, Malwa, UP of India
etc. Along with this Saka dispersion and movements, historically is
also linked the dispersal and movements of the Kambojas from Central
Asia and we will demonstrate evidences of this historical happening of
the remote past in some later postings. Besides the Sakas, we have
ample proofs and evidences of Kambojas’ migration and
settlements in Kathiawad/Gujrat/Saurashtra/Central & southern-western
India, Bengal, Sri Lanka as well as we also find their echoes in
Mekong Valley (Kambuja or Kambodia).
Also look at this quote from Dr Buddha Parkash:
“During 2nd c BC, along with Saka tribes, the Kambojas also had
enterd India and spread into whole of north-west including Punjab, UP
and Sindhu etc. Mahabharata refers to Kambojas and Yavanas having
conqureed Mathura (ref: MBH 12/102/5). Kambojas also find mention in
Mathura Lion capitol Inscriptions of Saka Kasatrapa Rajuvala. The
Kambohs/Kambojs are the descendents of the ancient Kambojas.”
(ref: India and the World, p 154, Dr Buddha Parkash, Ancient Kamboja,
People And the Country, pp 296-306, Dr J. L. Kamboj).
To Summarize: The brief discussion above based on quotations and
references from some of the distinguished scholars on Indology prove
one thing. The Kambojas and Sakas seem to have been originally living
as neighbors in Central Asia in the remote past (Kambojas in
Pamirs/Badakshan/east Fargana, the Sakas i.e Tigrakhauda Sakas in
Issyk-kul on north of Jaxartes river, though some clans of Sakas
probably lived in Bukhara on south of Jaxartes river also…modern
Turkemenistan). At later times, several Sakas tribes also appear to
have come to settle in the Doab of Oxus/Jaxartes rivers where Param
Kambojas of Mahabharata are stated to live. Central Asia.
We see plenty of the evidence for the historical
'alliance/association' between the Kambojas and Sakas etc in the
traditional literature:
SEE FEW EXAMPLES BELOW:
Saka Yavana Kambojah Pahlava Paradah Saha:/
(Vayu Purana II.26.141, cf Bhagvata Purana, IX.20.31)
Tatazca pitRrAjyApaharaNAdamarSitO haihaya-tAlajaGghAdivadhAya
pratijJA- makarOt.(40)
PrAyazazca haihaya-tAlajaGghAJjaghAna.(41)
Zaka-yavana- kAMBOJA-pArada-pahlavAH hanyamAnAs tatkulaguruM vasiSTaM
ZaraNaM jagmuH.(42)
(Extracts from Vishnu Purana (4.3.40-48)
Ramayna places Saka, Kamboja Yavana etc as neighbors in the extrem
north beyond Surasena, Prasthala, Bharatas, Kurus and Madrakas
(Ramayana IV, 43, 12).
Mahabharata also associates Kamboja/Saka/Yavana Kasatrya tribes at
several places and counts them amongst the Uttarapatha tribes:
Saka-Yavana-KAMBOJAstasta: Kasatrya Jatyah:
Vrishaltam parigta brahmanahnamdrashnaat (MBH 13/33/22)
See also:
shakAnAM pahlavAnA.n cha daradAnAM cha ye nRipAH .
kAmbojA RiShikA ye cha pashchimAnUpakAshcha ye// (MBH. 15)
So much so, in Mahabharata, the Saka, Kamboja and Yavana tribes had
fought under the joint command of Kamboja king Sudakshina Kamboj:
Viduymano vatain bahurup ivambuda:/
Sudakshinashach Kambojo Yavanaishach shakaistha// (MBH 5/19/23)
Manusmriti (X/43-44) also associates Kambojas with Sakas/Yavanas and
includes them in the list of fallen Kashatryas:
Paundarkachodrdravida: KAMBOJA Yavana Saka:/
Parda: Pahlava China: Kirata darda: Khasha // (Manusmariti 10/44)
Further, we see the proof of Kambojas and Sakas’
‘togetherness’ from Mathiura Lion capitol inscriptions of
1c BC/AD also. We see the proof of a joint presence of Kambojas and
Sakas (Murunda Sakas??) in the Sri-Lankan (Ceylone) epigraphic
Inscriptions also. This can, naturally prove one fact. As the Kambojas
and Sakas had been living so long together in history, cultural,
linguistic, religious and ethnic admixing of these tribes is bound to
have occured in the process and its sometimes not possible to
differentiate the one from the other.
FOLLOWING EVIDENCE PROVIDES FURTHER POWERFUL PROOF OF KAMBOJA MOVEMENT
FROM CENTRAL ASIA AND THEIR SUBSEQUENT SETLLEMENT INTO
CENTRAL/SOUTHERN INDIA & CEYLONE:
ANCIENT HISTORICAL EVIDENCE OF ONE KAMBOJA/KAMBHOJA COUNTRY LOCATED
SOMEWHERE NEAR GUJARAT/CENTRAL /SOUTH-WEST INDIA: THIS WAS THE COUNTRY
WHOSE KING FIND PROMENENT MENTION IN ANDHRA FOLKTALES. AT THIS PHASE
OF HISTORY, ANDHRA OR PARTS OF IT WERE RULED BY THIS POWERFUL KAMBOJA
KING. I WOULD TRY TO PROVIDE FURTHER PROOFS OF KAMBOJA PRESENCE NEAR
GUJARAT & IN CENTRAL/SOUTHERN INDIA (AND AS FAR AS CEYLONE/KAMBODIA).
THE LOCATION OF KAMBOJA COUNTRY OF THE KAMBBOJA KINGS (i.e KAMBOJA
RAJAS OF ANDHRA FOLKLORES)
1. Varahmihira’s Brahtasamhita (6th century AD) locates a
Kamboja country or principality in the SW of India. And he mentions
Sindhu, Sauvir, Saurashtra and Dravida as its neighbor countries. e,g.
Naitrytyan dishi desha: Pahlava Kamboja Sindu Sauvira:
Hemgiri Sindhu Kalk Raivatka Surashtrava Dravida: ( Brahtasamhita
14/17-19).
2. Markendya Purana also locates a Kamboj country in the south west
India, as neighbor of Sindhu, Sauvir and Anarta (Surashtra)
countries.(Markandya Purana, 55/30-33).
3.Rajbilas, written in the middle ages also locates a Kamboj country
in the neighborhood of Kachch, Sorat or Saurashtra and Gujjar
countries of SW India.e.g.
Sorath-Gujjar- Kachcha-Kamboj-Gaud Rukh: (Rajbilaas 1/122).
4.The Garuda Purana which was composed comparatively in later times
also locates a Kamboj country in the neighborhood of Ashmak, Pulind,
Jimut, Narashtra, Lat and Karnata e.g.
Pulinda Ashmak Jimut Narrashtr Nivasin: Karnata: Kamboja Ghata(Lata)
Dakshinapathvasin: Garuda Purana 1/15/13).
See Below:
The kingdoms which are in the centre of Bharatavarsha are named
Panchala, Kuru, Matsya, Youdheya, Patacchara, Kunti and Shurasena,
Padma, Suta, Magadha, Chedi, Kashaya, Videha and Koshala are kingdoms
that are to the east. In the south-east are the kingdoms of Kalinga,
Banga, Pundra, Anga, Vidarbha and Mulaka. The kingdoms of Pulinda,
Ashmaka, Jimuta, Nayarashtra, Karnata, Kamboja, Ghata, Daksinapatha,
Ambashtha, Dravida, Lata, Strimukha, Shaka and Anarta are in the
south-west. Toward the west are the kingdoms of Sindhu, Yavana,
Mathura and Nishada. The kingdoms of Mandavya, Tushara, Mulika,
Musha, Khasha, Mahakesha and Mahanada ae in the north-west. And the
kingdoms of Lambaka, Stana, Naga, Madra, Gandhara and Vahlika aer in
the north. In the north-west are Tigarta, Nila, Kolabha, Abhishaha
and Kashmira.
http://www.dharmakshetra.com/literature/puranas/garuda.html
QUESTION: YERRAMILLI, WHERE WAS THIS KAMBOJA COUNTRY OF YOUR HOLY
BOOKS LOCATED? DID IT NOT COVER YOUR STATE OR PARTS OF YOUR STATE? SO
KAMBOJA KING OF ANDHRA FOLKTALES IS INDEED THE POWERFUL KAMBOJA KING
OF THE KAMBOJA KINGDOM ALLUDED TO IN GARUDA PURANA!!!!!!
5. Dr Avadh Bihari Lal Avasthi has commented on all above in these
terms: “We find Kambhi, Kamm, Kumbhi etc castes in South India.
There is also a famous city Koimb-toor. Possibly, there has been a
Kamboj country in South also” (ref: Garuda Purana, Aik Adhyan p
28).
6. ‘Agni Purana’ also locates two principalities, Kamboja
and Kamhoja, in the Southern parts of India.
7.In the ‘Arathshastra’ of Braspati, the Kamboja country
is described as a great country (Mahavishaya) and is shown as located
adjoining the Dasrana country… again near/south of Gujrat (IHQ.,
Vol. XXVI-2, 1950, p 127).
FOR more exhaustive information on the KAMBOJAS near GUJARAT/
CENTRAL/SOUTH INDIA [& FURTHER DOWN TO SRILANKA ETC], PLEASE REFER TO
OUR EARLIER WRITE-UPS ON THIS PAGE,
MORE POINTERS/INDICATORS OF KAMBOJA/KAMBHOJA COUNTRY/PRINCIPALITIES
SOMEWHERE IN SOUTH-WEST/CENTRAL INDIA…CONTIGOUS TO
SAURASHTRA/GUJRAT ETC (MOSTLY BASED ON RESEARCHES OF DR. J. L.
KAMBOJ).
THIS PROVES THAT AFTER DISLOCATION FROM CENTRAL ASIA
(AFGHANISTAN/TAJIKSTAN) DURING 2ND C BC, SOME KAMBOJA CLANS HAD
SPREAD INTO NORTHERN,CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN INDIA. THEY HAD undoubtedly
ESTABLISHED THEIR KINGDOM AFTER ENTERING INTO THE SO-CALLED
ARYABHUMI/ARYAVARTA. THERE ARE NUMEROUS FOOTPRINTS OF KAMBOJAS FOUND
IN INTERIOR INDIA. The Kambhey of Gujarat was named after their name.
There is also a Kamboi/Khumboj town in Gujarat and Kumboj town in
Maharashter reminding us of the Kambojas. THIS SHOWS THAT KAMBOJA RAJA
KATHA WHICH IS STILL POPULAR IN ANDHRA PARDESH BELONGS TO A POWERFUL
KAMBOJA KING RULING OVER THIS KAMBOJA KINGDOM MENTIONED IN GARUDA
PURANA AND SEVERAL OTHER SANSKRIT TEXTS. THIS KAMBOJA KINGDOM (SEE
TEXT OF GARUDA PURANA QUOTED ABOVE) WAS POSSIBLY LOCATED ON GODAVARY
IN CENTRAL INDIA AND POSSIBLY COVERED SOME PARTS OF ANDHRA PARDESH.
THE ANDHRAITES STILL REMEMBER THIS GREAT KAMBOJA KING APPROVINGLY OR
DISPROVINGLY IN THEIR FOLKTALES AND HAVE MEMORIALIZED HIM IN THE WELL
KNOWN KAMBOJA RAJA KATHALU.
Dr Debala Mitra, in her article “………. Foreign
Elements in Indian Population, Immigration in Historical Times, p 615
writes : "A section of Kambojas originally living on north-west
frontiers of India, most probably Afghanistan, and belonging to the
Parasaka (i.e. of Iranian/Persian affinities) according to
Buddhaghosa, came to and permanently settled in India, gave their name
to some of the regions occupied by
them………………." (Cultural Heritage of
India, by Dr Debala Mitra, p 625).
There is lot of truth in above observations of Dr Debala Mitra. The
Kambojas undoubtedly gave their name to KAMB/KAMBO river in Sindh,
Kamboh/Kambo mountain in Sindh; Kambay, Kamboi places in Gujarat,
Kumboj/Khamboj in nearby Maharashtra. Further, some local traditions
among the people among whom these migrant Kambojas had settled also
testify to their migration to Central/South-west India. For example,
there is a ‘Kambhoja Raja Katha’ and tradition much
popular among the people of Andhra Parsesh.
RIVER AND MOUNTAIN NAMES IN SINDH:
As we have already stated, in Sindh Province of Pakistan to the west
of Sindhu River, there is a river named Kambo/Kambu (variant of
Kamboj). Furthermore, there is also a mountain in Sindh to west of
River Sindh still called Kambu or Kamboh (ref: Sindh, p 444, M. R.
Lamrick; Ancient Kamboja, People and the Country, 1981, p 305/306, Dr
J. L. Kamboj).
For KAMBOH (variant of Kamboj) mountain in western India falling
between Krachi/Gujrarat c also see the following website for Kamboh
mountain.
http://www.felidae.org/PROJECTS/Asiatic_Cheetah/Baloch_Cheetah_Survey_1/baloch_cheetah_survey_1.htm
These names are a clear reminder of the presence of Kambojas around
these regions in the long past and further confirm the historical
truth of Kambojas’ as well as Saka/Pahlvas’ migration to
these regions in the remote antiquity as hinted above.
PLACE NAMES/TIRATH NAMES IN GUJARAT:
There is a Kamboi Nagar and Kamboi Tirath/sea port in Gujarat.Type
Kamboi on a search engine for Kamboi results in Gujarat: Also some
times written as kumboi.
KAMBOI NAGAR:
A HANDBOOK OF JAINOLOGY
TRUST. NEAR KAMBOI NAGAR. MEHSANA 384 002. GUJARAT.
Distributor: DIVYADARSHAN KARYALAYA 68,. GULALWADI ...
http://www.ibiblio.org/jainism/database/BOOK/handbook.doc
PLACE NAMES/TIRATH NAMES IN KOHLAPUR/MAHARASHTRA:
Type Khamboi, Kumboi Kumbhoj on Yahoo/Lycos/Google search engines for
results:
KHAMBOJ:
Located 400kms. south of Mumbai, Kolhapur is an ancient town. The Jain
pilgrimage centre - Khamboj is about 65 kms. away. Kolhapur is also
known for its leather footwear, Engineering, sugar and Yarn
industries.
http://www.grandhotelbombay.com/vvg.htm
KUMBOJ:
Margsira 21, k2 22. k3 23. N0v19:Janam (SambhavNath),Mela
Hastnagpur,Kumboj Bahubali,
Mukagiri,Kachner ,Mangi Tungi, Taranga,Papauraji,Siddhwarkut,Kolkatta
N0v21 ...
http://www.jinvani.com/eng/other/cal_2002_11.html
KUMBHOJ:
At Kumbhoj, in Kolhapur district, one can take 'Darshana' of Bahubali
idol, which is a perfect replica of the original idol of Bahubali at
Gomateshwar in the south.Achriten missionry hospital (Marry Wanless)
is constantly serving the population of this area for the past several
years. 'Babu Jamal Darga' (an Islamic temple) and 'Kala Imam Talim'
are also very famous.
http://www.kolhapurhelpline.com/arts.htm
Kumbhoj is 6 Kms away from Hataklangada.It is 27 Kms away from
Kolhapur
http://religiousindia.com/maharashtra.htm
http://www.searchpune.com/mkvdc/hire1.html
http://www.indiablessings.com/Jainism/bahubali/default.htm.
Kumbhojgiri
http://www.jainpilgrimages.com/maharastra/maharastra.htm
Besides the above Kamboja related names, we also find names like
Cambay/Kambay, Kambhu, Gambhu, Kambha-rivji In Gujarat. These names
remind us of the foot-marks left by the migrant Kambojas who, along
with Sakas, Pahlvas etc had spread to these western regions a little
before the start of AD era.
States JOURNALIST & HISTORIAN R RAO (ANDHRA PARDESH):
“Kambhojas are anciently mentioned to live in the region of
Punjab and there is an echo of a migration to somewhere on the
Godavari. Later from there seafarers and adventurers gave the name to
a region of southeast Asia --kampuchea or Cambodia.” ( R.
Rao/Andhra Pardesh)
http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/tree/21/pplmanu.htm
THERE IS VERY POWERFUL EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT OF ABOVE OBSERVATIONS OF
Mr. R. RAO ABOUT THE ECHOES & SIGNATURES OF THE NORTH-WEST KAMBOJAS
IN/AROUND GODAVARI/CENTRAL INDIA:
Further also read:-------Angira Kamboji was a renowned Maratha
(Maharashtrian) sea Captain or apirate chief…controlled two
forts of Ghera and Suvarnadrug from which, he dominated the coast
between Bombay and Goa------ (Dictionary of Indian History 1967, S. N.
Bhatacharyaa, Gorge Brazillian, N. Y., p 508)
NOW : who was this ANGIRA KAMBOJI pirate/sea captain? Only some one
from Maharashtra/Gujarat can inform us about him.
HERE IS ALSO ANOTHER PIECE OF EVIDENCE ABOUT KAMBOJAS’ PRESENCE
IN CENTRAL INDIA BASED ON THE TRADITIONS FROM ANDHRA PARDESH:
***STORY OF KAMBHOJA RAJA (KAMBHOJA RAJA KATHALU
…ANDHRAPARDESH)***
As hinted above, the well known popular traditional story of a fierce
valiant and adventurous Kambhoja king and his daring
exploits/achievements is still sung as ballads in festive and
cultural programs of Andhra Pardesh, like those of Rajput warriors Jai
Mal and Fataeh Chand which are still sung in northern India.
Movie films have been made on the Kambhoja Raju, based on the
traditional story of ‘Kamhoja Raja Kathalu’. Also
available on line are the balladic songs on Kambhoja Raja Katha,
recorded on CD’s/Cassettes.
This powerful and adventurous Kamboja king belonged the Kamboja
kingdom located in south-west India as hinted in Garuda Purana and
belongs to first/second c AD.
Investigate the history divested of any religious emotionalism. and
prejudice towards the Kambojas.
Bsanrut
yshi...@hotmail.com (Shishir Yerramilli) wrote in message news:<370a0b0.03021...@posting.google.com>...
> zodiac...@yahoo.co.uk (bsanrut) wrote in message news:<3c9c2fa5.0302...@posting.google.com>...
> > Yerramilli
> >
> > You are indeed very prejudiced and ignorant mind.
>
> And you are....well Ive said it already....!
>
> >
> > Anyway, I'm waisting my time with thick people Im sure.
>
> But inspite of your promises,you keep coming back ,Im flattered!
>
>
>
> >
> > See site below for one instance, featureing actor Gumamdi. I believe
> > the film has been made several times featuring diuifferent starts
> >
> > 158. Kambhoja Raju Katha
> > http://www.hamarashehr.com/bin/ppf/a/p/did/5/movies.htm
>
> Atleast give the correct link,is it so hard to cut and paste?
>
> http://www.hamarashehar.com/bin/ppf/lid/1/a/p/did/5/movies.htm
>
> There!As for Kambhoja Raju Katha,sure there mustve been one or two
> movies but they were hardly the highlights of even a B grade actor
> like Gummadi!
>
> >
> > You indeed seem very poorly informed. That is the reason why you are
> > also goofing on the Palas/Kambojas also. Know your
> > State/Culture/People first before commenting on Kambojas.
> >
> > Also, you are again ill informed about the Kambhoja Raja Kathalu. The
> > Kambhoja Raja is seen as a great Chakravarti Rajs, adventurer
> > expeditionist and a great warrior hero.
>
> These are all your own terms!Where is it stated that he is a great
> Chakravartin?!He was known for his cruelty!
>
>
> >
> > It is in your own best interest to learn your own history and the
> > people who had ruled over you guys with iron hand.
>
> Correction,a person who ruled us with an iron hand.
>
> > QUESTION: WHO COULD BE THIS GREAT WARRIOR ADVENTURER KAMBHOJA, BY THE
> > WAY?
>
> There are many possibilities..A psycho king who ruled us in very
> distant history ,most Andhras dont even know where Kamboja is and if
> they did they would be quite scandalized to find out that a foreigner
> was ruling them albeit for a short period.Oh,and in popular folklore
> we often interchange the names of one barbarian for another ...Kamboja
> was even used to refer to Saka kings in popular folklore.I remember
> listening to a poem regarding Gautamiputra Satakarni who defeated
> Kambojas,when in fact he never really fought Kambojas but Sakas and
> Yavanas.It is possible this Kamboja king can refer to a Saka king
> Rudradaman who temporarily occupied Western Andhra.Of course there is
> the issue of confusing Kambhoja with Kings of the Bhoja dynasty!
>
> As to your info regarding Vratyas in the other thread,I will get to
> them soon..
>
> > regards
> >
> > bsanrut
> >
Kunal Singh
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karthika
Even the BJP is a North Indian Hindu Party than south Indian!
"M. Ranjit Mathews" <ranjit_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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karthika
You are fool and try to read history of Sri Lanka again!]
Pandia Mlechchas and Sinhala Mlechchas from same place and from same stock!
You are a Malayalee and you cannot know what is PALI!
Further you Yerrimilli cry for WHITE Beef eating Ameircans !
"Shishir Yerramilli" <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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karthika
Can you tell who is that HYD Nizam?
was he in Karnataka?
Now you are a telugu? What is your real problem?
Yes.. Indian army went home in disgrace but a Sinhala Lion JANAKA roared in
Jaffna. In three days LTTE coolies ranaway from Jaffna!
Dont forget Parakramabahu invaded India to support Pandias!
karthika
masters. But LTTE rape Tamil teen aged girls in bunkers! Many never return
alive!
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karthika
Buddhism in Sri Lanka! We resist and we will win!
Now LTTE Tamil coolies gave up EELAM for good!
Our war will continue!
Further I wish to remind you that you are BIG ZERO of Sri Lankan History!
So, better shutup your ass and stop farting!
"Shishir Yerramilli" <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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M. Ranjit Mathews
> They now identify them with Pakis and Americans than south Indian Hindus!
> Even the BJP is a North Indian Hindu Party than south Indian!
North Indian doesn't mean American.
Shishir Yerramilli
> Malayala coolies and Portugeuse coolies are still on the prowl to destroy
> Buddhism in Sri Lanka! We resist and we will win!
Mlechhas dont have any religion.Claiming that you have won after
losing horribly is your tradition,Vedics realized this and just smile.
> Now LTTE Tamil coolies gave up EELAM for good!
> Our war will continue!
Haha!IF you beleive LTTE will disarm and just continue to live a
normal life ,then you are stupider then you look(probably look like
an ugly mleccha!)
>
> Further I wish to remind you that you are BIG ZERO of Sri Lankan History!
> So, better shutup your ass and stop farting!
Haha,SInhala whore is getting ravaged and pleading for mercy!Not just
in SL history,you are a big zero in general,this is why you are a
Sinhala whore.
Shishir Yerramilli
> ANCIENT KAMBOJAS IN SAURASHTRA/GUJARAT & SRI LANKA:
Once again,I have never argued the presence of Kambojas in Sri
Lanka,but I do beleive there are other etymologies for Cambodia ,the
same way Syrian is distinct from Assyrian.As for the evidence below
concerning Kambojas in Andhra,
it is still laughable,I have noticed the authors using words like
"hint" and "echo" to describe the alleged Kamboja presence in Andhra
Pradesh and now you are saying that Andhras remember him "approvingly
or dissaprovingly",quite a stretch from our singing praises of "brave
and noble chakravartin",dont you think?Why hasnt anyone adopted the
title Kamboja in Andhra Pradesh if this king was such a great guy?We
have Yadavs,Singhs,Raos,Mallahs even Rathods ,children are named
Arjuna,Krishna,Chandragupta,Vikramaditya,Satakarni,Satavahana but not
Kamboj or Kamboja ,also Kalayavana,Saka,Pahlava are conspicuous by
their absence! Perhaps its an inauspicious name like your fellow
Kamboja Shakuni or Gandhari!You have yet to name it as of now
unidentified Kamboja king!Why doesnt he have a name,is this imperial
chakravartin so shy ,self effacing and modest that he insisted that
his identity to secondary to his region?
Again attempting to the connect ...Kunalji ,youll love this!...Kurmi
and Kunbi with Kamboja only proves that you are an Afghan version of
Gandasa,in case you dont know who he is,he beleives all good things in
the world have to be measured by how much they have been influenced by
Sakas.
> From Seistan, the Sakas and Kambojas, later spread into north-west
> India including Sindhu, Sauvir, Gujrat, Kathiawad, Malwa, UP of India
> etc. Along with this Saka dispersion and movements, historically is
> also linked the dispersal and movements of the Kambojas from Central
> Asia and we will demonstrate evidences of this historical happening of
> the remote past in some later postings. Besides the Sakas, we have
> ample proofs and evidences of Kambojas’ migration and
> settlements in Kathiawad/Gujrat/Saurashtra/Central & southern-western
> India, Bengal, Sri Lanka as well as we also find their echoes in
> Mekong Valley (Kambuja or Kambodia).
>
> We see plenty of the evidence for the historical
> 'alliance/association' between the Kambojas and Sakas etc in the
> traditional literature:
>
>>
> http://www.dharmakshetra.com/literature/puranas/garuda.html
karthika
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karthika
How is your American Masters? Are they feeding Indian Vedics now?
Still you are a ZERO in History!
All the so called Mlechchas are the history makers of Indian Sub Continents
and the so called Vedics are the betrayers of India!
Vedics are always dependent assholes of all Mlechcha rulers!
karthika
Brahmins did the same thing for a long time and this is the trouble of HINDU
religion and India now!
"Kunal Singh" <ksi...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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bsanrut
Again attempting to the connect ...Kunalji ,youll love this!...Kurmi
and Kunbi with Kamboja only proves that you are an Afghan version of
Gandasa,in case you dont know who he is,he beleives all good things in
the world have to be measured by how much they have been influenced by
Sakas.
First Things first:
I have only quoted what Pandit Avadh Bihari wrote: (see below)
*Avadh Bihari AvasthI writes:
*
*5. Dr Avadh Bihari Lal Avasthi has commented on all above in these
*terms: “We find Kambhi, Kamm, Kumbhi etc castes in South India.
*There is also a famous city Koimb-toor. Possibly, there has been a
*Kamboj country in South also” (ref: Garuda Purana, Aik Adhyan p
*28).
The above are exact words of a Brahman writer from your side of
India. I have only quoted his opinions in reference to his e
conclusion that a Kamboja country did exist (in the AD era) in
south/central India somewhere and its political influence probably
stretched as far Andhra pardesh or parts of it . If you have the guts,
refute the numerous evidence I have presented here and also let me
know how do you explain this numerous ancient evidence from venerable
Sanskrit texts which definitely localizes one Kamboja kingdom in
Central India, south of Gujarat somewhere.
(Again ref er to indisputable Evidence furnished by Ancient Hindu
Sanskrit texts like Markendya Purana, Agni Purana, Garuda Purana, Raj
Bbilas, Brahata Samhita, Arathshastra of Braspati etc etc)
Yes Kunbi/Kunbi/Kurmi is absolutely not connected with the Kambojas.
I also disgree with Avadh Bihari on this count. But the Kambhi of
Gujarat to all probability is connected with Kambojas. There are
numerous footprints of Kambojas left in Gujarat and they are
unmistakenly seen till today
YOUR QUESTION: Why not the KAMBOJA/SAKA etc last names found in
Andhra Pardesh?
This is silly question. You also know the Kambojas had been ruling in
Bengal uptil 12th c AD. And we further find evidence of Kambojas
ruling in Bengal as late as 17th c AD. We have a reference to a
Kamboja king Jagan Nath who ruled in Bengal in 17th c AD.
Evidence:
Ashesh Kamboj kulavamsa shrimaan Jagan Nath iti parsidh:
Akarayad dharma nibandhmatam dharaghipeapyarkable naresh//
(Dr R. L. Mitra Noteices of Sanskrit MSS Vol V No 1790; Ancient
Kamboja, People & the Country, 1980, p 208 etc )
My question to Yerramilli: Do you have last name Kamboja in modern day
Bengal east or west? Can you answer this question?
Once again: We have term Kamboja prodeminantly mentioned in ancient
Sinhala cave inscriptions (evidence already presented). But there is
absolutely no mention of Sinhala in these cave inscriptions. Kabojhya
Maha-Pughyana (grand sanghas of Kambojas), Kabhojya Goshta (Got
Kabhojyana) , Kabojha Parmuka (king/chieftain of Kambojas) and Gamika
(again title like king) etc are found in Sinhala inscriptions. Do we
have Kamboja last name among the Sinhala population today?
The Kambojas being in minority compared to other population, in these
parts of India finally got absorbed in the local population once there
political influence dwindled. It is also possible that the Kamboja
king of Kamboja Raja Kathalu had extended his political influence in
Andhra ut this does not necessarily meands that associated Kamboja
population had settled in Andhra pardesh. But we have evidence that
Kambojas did settle in Gujarat, UP, Bengal, Maharashtra and Sri Lanka.
Also with passage of time, the Kambhojas from north-west who had
colonized Sinhala became more popularily known as Sinhala rather than
Kambojas. Possibly Sinhala was the totem of the Kamboja section which
had colonized ancient Sinhala island. One possible explaination
offered is that the Kambojasin Srilanka had come from Gujarat/Junagad
and they carried the name Sinha with them just because the Junagad
area of Gujarat, since ancient times, is known for its its lion
population.
WHY THERE IS NO NAME FOR KAMBOJA KING ANDHRA FOLKLORES????.
Seems you do not have read Panini Sutra 4.1.168 to 4.1.175
(Kamboja-luk). Read it carefully, you would get the answer. The Sutra
powerfully and indisputably documents that the king of Kambojas is
also to be popularly known and has also numerously been addressed
simply as Kamboja ---as if theisKamboja has been his PERSONAL NAME.
Read Panini. 90 percent of the times in ancient Sanskrit literature,
the king of Kambojas has simply been addressed as Kamboja ---as if
Kamboja has been his personal name as Panini has documented. So no
wonder, the Kamboja king of Kamboja Raja Kathalu of Andhra folklores
has also popularly been addressed as Kamboja.
Does it satisfy you? If not, read Paninis Ashtdhyai Sutra 4.1.168 to
4.1.175 (i.e. Kamboja-luk/4.1.175).
BTW:
Yerramilli: Frankly, I do not know if the king of Kamboja of Andhra
folklores is sung approvingly or disprovingly. I was once told by
one respectable Andhraite that the Kamboja Raja Kathalu is very
popular in Andhra Pardesh and his adventurous doings and military
achievements are sung very popularly on numerous festive occasions
and cultural programs. But now you have stated that the Andhraites
celebrate his death rather than his military achievements. Probably
you can do your impartial and thorough research and enlighten us in
simple narrative English a brief story of this Kamboja king of
Andhra folklores so that we might get englightened about this Kamboja
king of your traditions.
Can you do this favor to me? Advanced thanks.
With best regards
Bsanrut. (mlechcha from north-west)
PS: The Cambodia/Kambuja and Kamboja relationship: we can and will
soon discuss this aspect and the historical/political rather than a
mere cultural interconnection between the Kambodia/Cambodia /Kambuja
and the north-west Kambojas.
bsanrut
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employees of the British rulers?
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and Sothern Indian people!
"bsanrut" <zodiac...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Shishir Yerramilli
> Yerramilli writes:
>
> Again attempting to the connect ...Kunalji ,youll love this!...Kurmi
> and Kunbi with Kamboja only proves that you are an Afghan version of
> Gandasa,in case you dont know who he is,he beleives all good things in
> the world have to be measured by how much they have been influenced by
> Sakas.
>
> First Things first:
> I have only quoted what Pandit Avadh Bihari wrote: (see below)
>
> *Avadh Bihari AvasthI writes:
> *
> *5. Dr Avadh Bihari Lal Avasthi has commented on all above in these
> *terms: “We find Kambhi, Kamm, Kumbhi etc castes in South India.
> *There is also a famous city Koimb-toor. Possibly, there has been a
> *Kamboj country in South also” (ref: Garuda Purana, Aik Adhyan p
> *28).
>
> The above are exact words of a Brahman writer from your side of
> India. I have only quoted his opinions in reference to his e
> conclusion that a Kamboja country did exist (in the AD era) in
> south/central India somewhere and its political influence probably
> stretched as far Andhra pardesh or parts of it .
Probably,hint,echo..the list goes on..
If you have the guts,
> refute the numerous evidence I have presented here and also let me
> know how do you explain this numerous ancient evidence from venerable
> Sanskrit texts which definitely localizes one Kamboja kingdom in
> Central India, south of Gujarat somewhere.
Do you even know where Central India is?As for the evidence
concerning "south of Gujarat somewhere" the less said the better.
>
> (Again ref er to indisputable Evidence furnished by Ancient Hindu
> Sanskrit texts like Markendya Purana, Agni Purana, Garuda Purana, Raj
> Bbilas, Brahata Samhita, Arathshastra of Braspati etc etc)
Inconclusive at best!
> Yes Kunbi/Kunbi/Kurmi is absolutely not connected with the Kambojas.
> I also disgree with Avadh Bihari on this count. But the Kambhi of
> Gujarat to all probability is connected with Kambojas. There are
> numerous footprints of Kambojas left in Gujarat and they are
> unmistakenly seen till today
I dont care about Gujarat.
>
> YOUR QUESTION: Why not the KAMBOJA/SAKA etc last names found in
> Andhra Pardesh?
> This is silly question. You also know the Kambojas had been ruling in
> Bengal uptil 12th c AD. And we further find evidence of Kambojas
> ruling in Bengal as late as 17th c AD. We have a reference to a
> Kamboja king Jagan Nath who ruled in Bengal in 17th c AD.
>
> Evidence:
> Ashesh Kamboj kulavamsa shrimaan Jagan Nath iti parsidh:
> Akarayad dharma nibandhmatam dharaghipeapyarkable naresh//
> (Dr R. L. Mitra Noteices of Sanskrit MSS Vol V No 1790; Ancient
> Kamboja, People & the Country, 1980, p 208 etc )
You are a moron,there are Rajputs ,Punjabis etc who call themselves
Kamboj,why is it absent in Andhra and yes Bengal
> My question to Yerramilli: Do you have last name Kamboja in modern day
> Bengal east or west? Can you answer this question?
>
If you want to ask and answer your own questions,what do you need
me for?
> Once again: We have term Kamboja prodeminantly mentioned in ancient
> Sinhala cave inscriptions (evidence already presented). But there is
> absolutely no mention of Sinhala in these cave inscriptions. Kabojhya
> Maha-Pughyana (grand sanghas of Kambojas), Kabhojya Goshta (Got
> Kabhojyana) , Kabojha Parmuka (king/chieftain of Kambojas) and Gamika
> (again title like king) etc are found in Sinhala inscriptions. Do we
> have Kamboja last name among the Sinhala population today?
Sinhalas are barely aware of their heritage!Practically everyone
either says they were from Sindh or Gujarat,they have Kamboja blood
but arent aware of it!
>
> The Kambojas being in minority compared to other population, in these
> parts of India finally got absorbed in the local population once there
> political influence dwindled. It is also possible that the Kamboja
> king of Kamboja Raja Kathalu had extended his political influence in
> Andhra ut this does not necessarily meands that associated Kamboja
> population had settled in Andhra pardesh. But we have evidence that
> Kambojas did settle in Gujarat, UP, Bengal, Maharashtra and Sri Lanka.
Hello moron,it doesnt matter if large populations of Kambojas didnt
move there,if he was an influential king,why arent there castes named
after him?In Bengal and Sri Lanka ,there was little knowledge of these
Kambojas but ANdhras are supposed to revere him according to
you,remember?
>
> Also with passage of time, the Kambhojas from north-west who had
> colonized Sinhala became more popularily known as Sinhala rather than
> Kambojas. Possibly Sinhala was the totem of the Kamboja section which
> had colonized ancient Sinhala island. One possible explaination
> offered is that the Kambojasin Srilanka had come from Gujarat/Junagad
> and they carried the name Sinha with them just because the Junagad
> area of Gujarat, since ancient times, is known for its its lion
> population.
THeir tradition states that they spawned by a Prince from Gujarat
fucking a lionness.Once again,mlecchas are spawned from animals.
> WHY THERE IS NO NAME FOR KAMBOJA KING ANDHRA FOLKLORES????.
> Seems you do not have read Panini Sutra 4.1.168 to 4.1.175
> (Kamboja-luk). Read it carefully, you would get the answer. The Sutra
> powerfully and indisputably documents that the king of Kambojas is
> also to be popularly known and has also numerously been addressed
> simply as Kamboja ---as if theisKamboja has been his PERSONAL NAME.
This is amazing that a Vedic king would have only one name and that
named after his region only.
>
> Read Panini. 90 percent of the times in ancient Sanskrit literature,
> the king of Kambojas has simply been addressed as Kamboja ---as if
> Kamboja has been his personal name as Panini has documented. So no
> wonder, the Kamboja king of Kamboja Raja Kathalu of Andhra folklores
> has also popularly been addressed as Kamboja.
and in 90% of Sanskrit literature,these Kambojas are either pests
like Shakuni,Jayadratha and quite inconsequential.
> Does it satisfy you? If not, read Paninis Ashtdhyai Sutra 4.1.168 to
> 4.1.175 (i.e. Kamboja-luk/4.1.175).
>
> BTW:
> Yerramilli: Frankly, I do not know if the king of Kamboja of Andhra
> folklores is sung approvingly or disprovingly. I was once told by
> one respectable Andhraite that the Kamboja Raja Kathalu is very
> popular in Andhra Pardesh and his adventurous doings and military
> achievements are sung very popularly on numerous festive occasions
> and cultural programs. But now you have stated that the Andhraites
> celebrate his death rather than his military achievements. Probably
> you can do your impartial and thorough research and enlighten us in
> simple narrative English a brief story of this Kamboja king of
> Andhra folklores so that we might get englightened about this Kamboja
> king of your traditions.
>
> Can you do this favor to me? Advanced thanks.
Sure .Ill ask around for this Kamboja fellow and put those opinions
of "respectable Andhraite" to sleep.
>
> With best regards
>
> Bsanrut. (mlechcha from north-west)
>
>
> PS: The Cambodia/Kambuja and Kamboja relationship: we can and will
> soon discuss this aspect and the historical/political rather than a
> mere cultural interconnection between the Kambodia/Cambodia /Kambuja
> and the north-west Kambojas.
For the record,I will state that I beleive Kambojas went to
Cambodia,whether they are responsible for its nomenclature is however
an open question.
>
Kunal Singh
ancient identification. It is a more recent identification and an attempt
for people to connect by association with other various castes of similar
agrarian backgrounds. As for relations between Kurmis and Kambhojas, there
are NONE! The Kurmis of Patna accept the Kunbis of Maharashtra as related
to them. But they do not accept the Khambis. Never heard of them, and
never wish to hear of them again! Kurmis do not like Shakuni Mama
descendants, our nature as described by the British themselves is deemed to
be quite DIRECT! We do not admire or wish to associate with 'tikrambaj'
people!
Shishir Yerramilli <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> zodiac...@yahoo.co.uk (bsanrut) wrote in message
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> > Yerramilli writes:
> >
> > Again attempting to the connect ...Kunalji ,youll love this!...Kurmi
> > and Kunbi with Kamboja only proves that you are an Afghan version of
> > Gandasa,in case you dont know who he is,he beleives all good things in
> > the world have to be measured by how much they have been influenced by
> > Sakas.
> >
> > First Things first:
> > I have only quoted what Pandit Avadh Bihari wrote: (see below)
> >
> > *Avadh Bihari AvasthI writes:
> > *
> > *5. Dr Avadh Bihari Lal Avasthi has commented on all above in these
> > *terms: “We find Kambhi, Kamm, Kumbhi etc castes in South India.
> > *There is also a famous city Koimb-toor. Possibly, there has been a
> > *Kamboj country in South also” (ref: Garuda Purana, Aik Adhyan p
> > *28).
> >
> > The above are exact words of a Brahman writer from your side of
> > India. I have only quoted his opinions in reference to his e
> > conclusion that a Kamboja country did exist (in the AD era) in
> > south/central India somewhere and its political influence probably
> > stretched as far Andhra pardesh or parts of it .
And the exact words are being interpreted by you using similarity of
pronunciation and nothing else. This to clarify your meager understanding
are NOT PROOF OF ANCESTRAL LINKS!
Kunal Singh
AS THEY THEMSELVES LACKED ANY STRONG CASTE SUPPORT WITHIN THE VEDIC PEOPLE!
In case you want to know what the British think of their "TRUSTED AND BRAVE"
GORKHAS, THEY JUST RECENTLY DENIED THEM ANY COMPENSATION FOR HAVING SERVED
THE BRITISH FOR FAR LESS THAN THEIR BRITISH COUNTERPARTS!
Servantry of the British is never considered an honor amongst agrarians,
though quite a few managed to acquire rights to taxation. If a Kurmi
Zamindar even mentioned that he had acquired Zamindari under the Brits,
other Kurmis are likely to make fun of him! It is interesting that for
these Brahmins, it seems quite an achievement!
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Kunal Singh
Mongoloid features from Nepal or the other oriental ethnicities in the
Himalayas, but they got them from Afghanistan 'mlecchas!' What kind of
silly arguments do these mlecchas propose!
For your information there is no such thing as Afghani culture. All the
'kurta pajama' comes from the Chinese, down to the Nehru jacket! Ha, ha,
ha!
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crooked-nosed features with small eyes! Uuugh, what a terrible mix! I
don't want to even imagine it..
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you now a Beef eater like Yerrimilli?
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Afghans now become CHINESE!
Vedic Culture of writing is so Amazing!
Now you North Indians are well a mixture of Moslems!
So, your stories of Mlechcha or any other is a farce!
Are there any INDIAN or HINDU culture now?
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Is he look like a china man or an Afghani?
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