Punjab is becoming fast a bhaiya land!
ank...@my-dejanews.com
Guys, I am back from my long, rough and tiring trip to India. I was there
primarily to see my family and attend some weddings which went very well.
Rest of it was all mess. Due to heavy fog and severe cold traveling was
really bad and as a result I could not go all the places I wanted to go. I
stayed most of the time in Punjab except couple of trips to Himachal and New
Delhi. ...and New delhi is the same old shitty place it was years back in
fact even worse in some aspects.
-Pollusion is so bad that congratulations to our Pakistani brothers, they
don't have to spend lot of money on Nuclear bombs. Within another few years
people will be dieing on streets of big Indian cities because of air
suffocation.
- Road conditions are so bad that I feel lucky that I am back in one piece.
I did not see many new roads built but all the roads that were new 7 years
ago are worn out and are causing plenty of accidents.
- Punjab is becoming bhaiya land very quickly. Every well to do/educated/or
able bodied and skilled Punjabi is leaving Punjab for foreign and all those
half naked,half hungary,all-bones-no-flesh,cigrette barbequed faces are
filling Punjab like dirt. They are every where. Punjab will be a Bhaiyab
very soon. Punjabio jaago and kick their arses out of Punjab.
- I traveled from New Delhi to Punjab in train and saw India's poorest
neighbourhoods along the railway tracks. and saw them living,eating, relieving
themselves,guys masterbating alongside the tracks,taking bath,smoking,kids
playing all naked in the month of November/December with animal bones. India
may be a heaven for US based Indians(most of us, hence all that
Indian chauvanism),for sarkari naukers,uffsers,sarkari contractors,policewalas
etc but for the rest of Indians it is the worst hell imaginable.
- While traveling I noticed that every school under contruction is half
finished, every hospital building is cracking but you can see all those
beautiful Mandirs, Gurdwaras,Radhswami deras,ashrams shining bright marbles.
Coming back, I am reading your messages for couple of days but didn't
respond as I was busy. It is interesting that some of you are still shouting
the same slogans and are happy that India is better than China and Pakistan.
Conratulations! enjoy your Chinese Lunch, pizza dinner while wathing American
TV. It is really very easy to love your country from here...there..it is a
shit and I hate it.
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ank...@my-dejanews.com
Guys, I am back from my long, rough and tiring trip to India. I was there
primarily to see my family and attend some weddings which went very well.
Rest of it was all mess. Due to heavy fog and severe cold traveling was
really bad and as a result I could not go all the places I wanted to go. I
stayed most of the time in Punjab except couple of trips to Himachal and New
Delhi. ...and New delhi is the same old shitty place it was years back in
fact even worse in some aspects.
-Pollution is so bad that congratulations to our Pakistani brothers, they
Mo
Kishore Joshi
>filling Punjab like dirt. They are every where. Punjab will be a Bhaiyab
>very soon. Punjabio jaago and kick their arses out of Punjab.
Amriki Jaago and kick such Desi bigots from the Free Land of America.
Get out of here Ankhila, go back to Punjab and start kicking dirt, ass,
what ever you prefer.....
>
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1. Money is not the root of All Evil, It is the perceived lack of it....
ank...@my-dejanews.com
sesh...@cse.ucsc.edu (Raghu Seshadri) wrote:
> ank...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> : - Punjab is becoming bhaiya land very quickly.Every well to do/educated/or
> : able bodied and skilled Punjabi is leaving Punjab for foreign and all those
> : half naked,half hungary,all-bones-no-flesh,cigrette barbequed faces are
> : very soon. Punjabio jaago and kick their arses out of Punjab.
>
> someone may kick you back to the Punjab, so think
> about that. It is funny that you yourself have
> migrated elsewhere and yet you are against migrants.
Yes I am an immigrant and lot of Sikhs live outside of Punjab. All of the
Sikhs living outside of Punjab immigrated there in the last about 500 years
of their history and lot of them actually are not Punjabis. Number of Sikhs
living outside Punjab is a fraction of how many are living in Punjab. If a
Bihari becomes a Sikh in Bihar should he migrate to Punjab?
On the other hand, bhaiyas are immigrating to Punjab in such large numbers
that some of the towns like Ludhiana are starting to look like part of Madhya
Pradesh/Bihar.
Also Sikhs who migrate to UP or other states take their fortunes with them.
they buy transports, farms and businesses there and accelerate the economic
growth. Sad part is that many of bhaiyas in Punjab are not working but
begging on railway stations and bus stands.
> Also, the Constitution (promulgated in 1950, this is
> 1999, so there was plenty of time for you to get
> familiar with it)
So everything else happening in India is happening according to the
constitution? right!!
>says all Indians have the right
> to settle anywhere in India. So the Punjab Police
> will stop anyone who tries to harass residents of
> the Punjab into leaving.
Punjab police..Punjab police...CRPF...ITBF...when are you going to stop
threatening Sikhs of these terrorist oprganizations. We have seen Punjab
police in the past and if history proves itself right, it will happen again.
or May be that what you want..
> Finally, being half-naked etc is not a crime, and
> not their fault either; whereas spreading hatred,
> preaching violence against innocents are crimes,
don't give me that non-violence preachings. I have heard enough of it..Does
Chritians,Muslim riots of Bombay, November 84 sound familiar or this
non-violence lesson is only for minorities in India.
> and direct violation of Sikh tenets.
>
> Regards,
> RS
Lastly, my remarks regrding "kicking their arsees" should not be taken in the
literal sense. It was more of symbolic in terms of restricting settlement of
transit labor in Punjab by laws. Some of the other states have done it
already. What is wrong if Punjab follws it.
Mo
become a minority in Punjab ? The answer is No. India is a
confedration of nation states and all states should preserve
their language and culture.
These bhaiyas are probably only a tiny fraction and probably
only in the big cities supplying cheap,labour and as
servants and so essential for functioning of the middle
class .
The answer I think is for all states to regulate immigration
to make sure that the indigenous population stays at over
70% AND to have strict population control so that Biharis or
Nepalis or Bangladeshis or others dont have to migrate..
gan...@my-dejanews.com
kjo...@Bayou.UH.EDU (Kishore Joshi) wrote:
> In article <77gnd7$cmh$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, <ank...@my-dejanews.com>
wrote:
> >very soon. Punjabio jaago and kick their arses out of Punjab.
>
> Get out of here Ankhila, go back to Punjab and start kicking dirt, ass,
> what ever you prefer.....
>
Why are you getting so excited. I thought you said your were a
Rajasthani. Bhiyas are also flocking to Haryana and north Rajasthan
- all areas of green revolution jobs and money. So, even haryana,
rajasthan, gujarat along with Maharastra is becoming bhiya. Bal
Tackery is always railing against the Bhiya invasion.
They have 45% of the Indian pop now; will be over 50% in another
10 years.
Why is it when I talk to people from western UP (United
Provinces), they go to pains making the western UP/eastern UP
distinction?
Also, why Uttarkand? Why not share with the other Bhiyas and
live in bliss?
jsa...@ascor-inc.com
are the latest figures on some of the big cities in Punjab:
City Total Population Bhaiyas
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Ludhiana 18 Lakhs 5 lakhs
Amritsar 12 Lakhs >2 Lakhs
Jalandhar 7 Lakhs 1.75 Lakhs
Chandigarh 8 Lakhs 3 Lakhs
Total number of Bhaiyas permanently living in Punjab is estimated at about 15
Lakhs. There is still more seasonal labor working in the farms. Most
important fact about this whole issue is that there were almost no bhaiyas in
Punjab before 1978. This all happened in less than 20 years. On top of that
population growth in bhaiya community is atleast 2-3 time higher than native
Punjabis. Is there any town in India or rest of the world outside of Punjab
where Sikhs make 28% of the population?
Considering these facts, it is not Sikhs' fault if they feel their religious,
cultural and linguistic future is in danger.
It is true that there was high demand for bhaiya labor in Punjab in the past
but in the present day not all of them are employed. Even many of the lower
cast Punjabis are unemployed and are getting so more than ever. We have seen
the results of educated and unemployed Sikh youth running a political
movement in Punjab now in the coming years we will see what this
uneducated,hungary for food, unempolyed population have in store for Punjab.
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Ankhila
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In article <PHrn2.1753$My1....@nnrp2.clara.net>,
10033...@compuserve.com (Mo) wrote:
> You have good points . Should Punjabis allow themselves to
> become a minority in Punjab ? The answer is No. India is a
> confedration of nation states and all states should preserve
> their language and culture.
> These bhaiyas are probably only a tiny fraction and probably
> only in the big cities supplying cheap,labour and as
> servants and so essential for functioning of the middle
> class .
> The answer I think is for all states to regulate immigration
> to make sure that the indigenous population stays at over
> 70% AND to have strict population control so that Biharis or
> Nepalis or Bangladeshis or others dont have to migrate..
>
> ank...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> In article <77is02$p...@darkstar.ucsc.edu>,
> sesh...@cse.ucsc.edu (Raghu Seshadri) wrote:
> > ank...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > : - Punjab is becoming bhaiya land very quickly.Every well to do/educated/or
> > : able bodied and skilled Punjabi is leaving Punjab for foreign and all
those
> > : half naked,half hungary,all-bones-no-flesh,cigrette barbequed faces are
> > : filling Punjab like dirt. They are every where. Punjab will be a Bhaiyab
> > : very soon. Punjabio jaago and kick their arses out of Punjab.
> >
Raghu Seshadri
: > If your "kick non-natives out" feelings take hold,
: > someone may kick you back to the Punjab, so think
: > about that. It is funny that you yourself have
: > migrated elsewhere and yet you are against migrants.
:
: Sikhs living outside of Punjab immigrated there in the last about 500 years
: of their history and lot of them actually are not Punjabis. Number of Sikhs
: living outside Punjab is a fraction of how many are living in Punjab. If a
: Bihari becomes a Sikh in Bihar should he migrate to Punjab?
Let us just focus on your statements, sir.
You migrated, and yet you are angry at other
migrants. I didn't say Sikhs in Bihar should
migrate to Punjab, did I ? I am pointing out
merely that you are a migrant, and yet you are
resentful of other migrants.
: On the other hand, bhaiyas are immigrating to Punjab in such large numbers
: that some of the towns like Ludhiana are starting to look like part of Madhya
: Pradesh/Bihar.
I agree that overwhelming numbers would
create uneasiness anywhere. But to go from
there and advocate harassment is going
too far.
: Also Sikhs who migrate to UP or other states take their fortunes with them.
: they buy transports, farms and businesses there and accelerate the economic
: growth. Sad part is that many of bhaiyas in Punjab are not working but
: begging on railway stations and bus stands.
Assuming you are right, why do you suppose
that is ? They just don't have the work ethic
Sikhs have, is that it ? It is all determined
in the genes ?
And if all of them are gainfully employed,
your resentment will vanish ?
: > Also, the Constitution (promulgated in 1950, this is
: > 1999, so there was plenty of time for you to get
: > familiar with it)
:
: So everything else happening in India is happening according to the
: constitution? right!!
Just pointing out that they are not illegal
aliens. They have a guaranteed right to settle in
any part of India. They are committing no crime.
: >says all Indians have the right
: > to settle anywhere in India. So the Punjab Police
: > will stop anyone who tries to harass residents of
: > the Punjab into leaving.
:
: Punjab police..Punjab police...CRPF...ITBF...when are you going to stop
: threatening Sikhs of these terrorist oprganizations. We have seen Punjab
: police in the past and if history proves itself right, it will happen again.
: or May be that what you want..
Ofcourse not. But it is the police's job to protect
innocent people from being harassed by criminals.
If the police itself becomes criminal, the citizens
have to rein it in. But it doesn't mean citizens
can become criminals too.
: > Finally, being half-naked etc is not a crime, and
: > not their fault either; whereas spreading hatred,
:
: > preaching violence against innocents are crimes,
:
: don't give me that non-violence preachings. I have heard enough of it..Does
: Chritians,Muslim riots of Bombay, November 84 sound familiar or this
: non-violence lesson is only for minorities in India.
It is for eveeryone. Why do you think this lesson
is only for some ?
: > and direct violation of Sikh tenets.
:
: Lastly, my remarks regrding "kicking their arsees" should not be taken in the
: literal sense. It was more of symbolic in terms of restricting settlement of
: transit labor in Punjab by laws. Some of the other states have done it
: already. What is wrong if Punjab follws it.
I appreciate your explanation. Much of my objection
vanishes now that you say you only meant it symbolically.
Btw, which states restrict migrants ? I am not aware
of any.
Regards,
RS
Mo
city dwellers were too smart to convert to backward
monotheism .
Second all Indian cities are cosmopoitan , Delhi has more
Sikhs than all Punjab cities combined . Bombay is full of
Sikhs , Bangalore and Calcutta of Punjabis etc. So Punjab
too has to accept that its major cities must reflect that,
There is a valid point however that all cultures have the
right to keep their identity. Maybe all Indians should
register their place of residence and vote only there , by
postal vote if necessary. Then if they want to move to
Punjab and buy property there and settle they would have to
get a permit from the Parliament there. After 5 years they
could get voting rights again by permit.
Immigration is going to be have to become a state matter.Had
this scheme been in place the Bangladeshis would never have
managed to infilitrate the North East in such numbers..
gan...@my-dejanews.com
10033...@compuserve.com (Mo) wrote:
> The answer I think is for all states to regulate immigration
> to make sure that the indigenous population stays at over
> 70% AND to have strict population control so that Biharis or
> Nepalis or Bangladeshis or others dont have to migrate..
A better solution is form a Sakasthan Federation of 150 million
Sakas (65%) from Pakistan border to the Ganga so that Bhiyas
who are currently 45% of Indian pop and aiming for +50% in
10 more years dont swap every one else like flies and convert
the whole region into a worse than Somalia gutter full of poverty, misery,
lawlessness and disaster.
At the current rates of Bhiya expansion into Haryana, Rajasthan,
Maharasthara, Gujarat and Punjab, in a few more years you might
as well call it Bhiyasthan!
Sakasthan Federation Proposal
------------------------------
In the proposed Sakasthan Federation:
1) Each state would have its own independent political system (Parliament,
President, parties; administration; and police but would be economically open
with common currency, monetary system and equal military contribution inmen
and resources.
2) Goverment spending in each member state cannot exceed 4% of GSP
(Gross State Production). Exceeding it for more than 2 years means
expulsion from Federation.
3) Licence Raj and central planning would be eliminated - with all
sectors open to investment by anyone having the capital and controls
on agricultural prices and ceilings abolished.
4) Federation institutions like central bank, an Executive Council (based on
economic size of member), Defence Department and a TINY federation beaurocracy
(spending less than 3% of total GNP) would look after monetary, coordination,
defence and foreign affair issues.
5) All federation policies/resolutions would be passed by a vote in the
Executive Council - with voting power determined by economic size.
6) The head manager would be a rotating 2 year MahaPresident from each
member state (nominated by election in each state). He would have absolutely
not power but to smile for photos. All decisions/policies will be determined
by a vote in the elected Executive Council.
Mo
support prices for wheat etc.) and the prosperous Punjabis
in the cities want to have cheap labor and servants.
Even in the West if you go to London , New York or Paris you
will find hardly any natives . Its not a problem that is
peculiar to Punjab . The Khatri Punjabis made the same
complaints when the rough Jats started moving into the
Punjabis cities in the 80s..
Bholu
>
> A better solution is form a Sakasthan Federation of 150 million
> Sakas (65%) from Pakistan border to the Ganga so that Bhiyas
> who are currently 45% of Indian pop and aiming for +50% in
> 10 more years dont swap every one else like flies and convert
> the whole region into a worse than Somalia gutter full of poverty, misery,
> lawlessness and disaster.
>
I have forwarded your proposal to
Chairman Babloo.
sandeep
to not employ the labour from Bihar and move towards mechanized farming!!
To not use rickshaws and use buses!!
To not employ labour as domestic servants at home and use more machines!!
THAT IS IT!!
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