Bollywood DVDs .
Mo
starring Raj Kumar and Priya Rajvansh
For anybody who likes Indian movies this movie is a must
see - in my opionion together with the uncut Border it is
one of the top two movies of all time .
The dialogue by Kaifi Azmi is out of this world and its all
in rhyme -the only Bollywood movie made in full poem . I
know many people who have taped it all and listen to it in
the radio.
Its a Romeo and Juliet story set in a Punjabi village ( one
of the Bhabis -the prettiest one is a distant relative) and
shows the rich cultural life there. The young women are also
full figured and not like the anorexic waifs that are
currently popular .
The print does have the odd glitch and there are no
subtitles - a pity but its still very watcheable and the
sound has been recorded at a very good volume . The songs of
this movie are just immortal - one can never forget them.
The Indians did get lots of things right . One is to have a
walled off courtyard in front of the house . Here is
wherever everyone comes to sit and chat and most interaction
takes place. A much superior one to the garden at the back
in the West .
WEG have put a small yellow logo at the bottom - off white
like Superdigital is preferable as its less distracting. It
can only comes on when you have been watching the movie for
a minute or two and so must be computer generated and not on
the print. Wonder if there is any way of turning it off .
One would have liked Superdigital to have mastered this for
the slightly higher resolution they have but its still very
good and is a disc you will treasure and will watch many
times..
Minesh
search under the Foreign Films category.
On Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:43:19 GMT, 10033...@compuserve.com (Mo)
wrote:
Mo
from www.indiaplaza.com . No subtitles
Its good to see that the DVD is already out of a movie still
playing in theatres . The producers have to learn to
maximise profits while the interest is still there .
Would one go to see the movie after watching the DVD ?. The
answer for Bollywood movies I think is yes , being musicals
like the Wizard of Oz you enjoy them more each time .
Its the story of a man who can hypnotize animals. Animals
are easy to hypnotize. You can do it to a lobster by
stroking its back and a cat by swinging it round and round
for a few minutes . I tried that with a cat once but it
just gave me a dirty look after as it walked away.
The dialog as usual is clever with plenty of double meanings
for eg, when a man says about a young girl 'is ladki main
asee kya cheez hai jo tummhe dikhti hai ? and she answers
'jo cheez mane abi dikhayi nahin wo tumhe nazar kasae ayegi
?' What special things do you see in this girl 'How can you
see something I havent got round to revealing
yet !' The kissing scenes are getting ridiculously long.
Its worth seeing just for the picturesque scenes of the
maroon steam engine train chugging along in the lush green
Himalayan foothills . The picture and sound quality are
great -maybe a tad lower than Gharwali but better than most
DVDs.
Certain things could have been done better . When showing
the animals one finds in Himalayan jungles - elephants
,lions , spotted deer , orang utangs , kangaroos , the
camera could have lingered a bit longer on them . The kids
would have gone crazy. The camera shows them for a few
seconds and then cuts back to the humans.
The fighting scenes with hundreds of birds and elephants
attacking the castle and guards are good but the lion
wrestling one is an obvious fake. Adding some older footage
with its lower resoultion spoils the effects a bit .
The gory scenes could have been put at the end and the movie
got a universal certificate . One song about animals -'you
are what makes the world run' is quite good. Some of
Manisha's dresses deserved more close up shots.
DVD also has a display option which tells you how many
minutes of the movie is remaining . This is one almost
exactly three hours long. There are some good comedy bits
-one where a photographer to get a better shot throws a
pebble at an elephant to get it to look at the camera ,
forgetting that they are not donkeys which run away but big
brutes who dont like it !, and the elephants start charging
the jeep eventually overturning it.
A good enjoyable movie ..
Mo
155min
DVD by Eros (DEI) from www.indiaplaza.com and superdvd.com
All the criticisims of Eros for the junk they produced with
Border , Raja Hindustani , Pardes , Major Saab ..seems to
have got through because this is a magnificient disc !
Sound is perfect , even at high volumes there is no
distortion at all and picture quality is great , almost as
good as Superdigital .
How did they film the Chaiyan Chaiyan song - dancers on the
roof of a moving train and keep the camera still ? - I still
havent figured out . That song which is a Hindi/Urdu and
half Persian and the other Jiya Jale which is Hindi/Urdu and
half Malayalam is a great new trend in Hindi cinema. Lyrics
are vitally important in the songs as they tell a complete
story in gestures and dances and if you cant understand the
lyrics it does drive you crazy till one has found out the
meaninings.
Now Chaiyan has been decoded on RMIM but the Malayalee song
has not . Bollywood should do that with more languages -
Arabic , French , Spanish etc . great way to increase
cultural understandings.
The scenery in this movie is fantastic -from Kerala in South
India to the dry cold but beautiful deserts of Ladakh to the
lush forests of Assam and of course great sites of New Delhi
.
Its the story of a girl who is in love with a man but spurns
him *spoiler on -all the time as she is going to be a human
bomb to blow up the Indian President *spoiler off .
He goes off to marry another one and then she walks back
into his life.
This movie was a big hit in the West and in fact is still
playing in theatres and reached the UK Top Ten beating out
many Hollywood movies. I cant understand Eros not putting
English subtitles . Use the double layer if they must . Who
minds paying an extra $5 for pefection ?
I have seen it twice but am still glad of having the DVD as
even in that one train song you miss so much . I predict at
least 100k sales of this DVD alone.
Eros are also bringing out Mohra -with NFAK's all time
classic 'Tu cheez hai mast mast' - and hopefully they will
keep this kind of quality and one day soon one hopes
Khalnayak - Madhuri's best movie.
The blurb on the cover expalins Dil Se (from the heart) as a
journey through the seven stages of loves as described in
Arabic literature
Hub -eyes met , spark ,attraction
Uns -infatuation
Ishq -flame of her body is felt , love
Aqidat-reverence , touches him like a whisper
Ibadaat - love turns to worship
Junoon -living is an obsession , no peace
Maut -drowning his body in her soul
Sex-the ultimate letdown (joke! )..
Mo
Who was the pretty supporting actress in this movie ? Great
songs and dances . 'Roop suhana hai ' 'What is love ' etc.
Sound is OK , picture has been mastered from a VHS copy and
not a very good one.
Why bother bringing out DVD if you are not going to get the
picture perfect. ?
All the more reason for the Indian govt to set up a state of
the art mastering facility , charge $100,000 to each
producer and produce the best DVD with subtitles in 32
languages and 8 dubbed and on dual layer.
The reason Niraj's idea of a private faciilty wont work is
that there will always be rivalry between companies. With
the GOI , it could even offer the faciility to foreign
countries like Pakistan and get their industry going. More
competition for Bollywood will only do it good.
A friend of mine who shows these movies told me that the
producers just sell the movie before release so they dont
worry about copyright and the distributors when they get the
movie only have a couple of weeks to get it back before the
pirates get at it and so dont have time to file for
copyright.
That is why the govt must do it before the censorship is
done..
Niraj Agarwalla
: Gentleman -Charanjeeva , Juhi WEG group
: Who was the pretty supporting actress in this movie ? Great
: songs and dances . 'Roop suhana hai ' 'What is love ' etc.
: Sound is OK , picture has been mastered from a VHS copy and
: not a very good one.
: Why bother bringing out DVD if you are not going to get the
: picture perfect. ?
: All the more reason for the Indian govt to set up a state of
: the art mastering facility , charge $100,000 to each
: producer and produce the best DVD with subtitles in 32
: languages and 8 dubbed and on dual layer.
Why wait for the government to set up a facility? DVD facilities
already exist. The film producers could do it right now. So why
aren't they?
: The reason Niraj's idea of a private faciilty wont work is
: that there will always be rivalry between companies. With
: the GOI , it could even offer the faciility to foreign
: countries like Pakistan and get their industry going. More
: competition for Bollywood will only do it good.
Rivalries in what? Who can produce the best DVDs at the lowest
price? If that's the case, I am all for it. Pakistan will never
go to India, solely for political reason. Regardless, their
film makers are even more inept than the ones in India.
: A friend of mine who shows these movies told me that the
: producers just sell the movie before release so they dont
: worry about copyright and the distributors when they get the
: movie only have a couple of weeks to get it back before the
: pirates get at it and so dont have time to file for
: copyright.
I guess this answers the question above. It is obvious that
producers don't give a damn about the movies they make, they
just take the money and run. If this is the prevailing attitude,
then nothing will change as far as piracy will go.
: That is why the govt must do it before the censorship is
: done..
--
Niraj Agarwalla -- ni...@shore.net -- http://www.shore.net/~niraj
Pardeep
pirated copy. I must say that the movie is great!! The picture quality
of EROS version (the one I bought) was slightly better than the pirated
version. The pirated version had Widescreen (2.35:1) vs. 1.95:1 on EROS
version. This is not much of an issue, but the audio was much better on
the pirated version. The EROS version not only has inferior audio
quality w.r.t pirated copy, but quite a few audio drop outs also. I am
going to be exchanging my copy of the DVD. Somehow this encourages the
purchasing of pirated copies - the exact practice that EROS and DEI have
talked about eliminating. Well, if they actually produce a better
quality product, piracy will be minimized.
As far as your comments about the improvements made by EROS, their copy
of Hum Aapke Hain Koun had good picture quality, but lousy audio. I am
begining to get very bad vibes about their lack of attention to quality
and will not purchase any more EROS DVDs until they clean up their act!
Just my two cents.
Mo
hr movie on to one layer which can only take 2.25hrs so they
have to compromise on the sound or picture quality .
I had the display on for Dil Se and saw a TR rate ( ?
transfer rate) of 6.7 or so consistently and expected
Gharwali which in picture quality I think is the best DVD so
far to be much higher but in fact was surprised to see that
it vaired from 1.8 to 7.5 all the time . ? Cleverer
compression.
Using the second layer on the same side only adds $3 to
production costs and even if they charged $5-7 extra for a
perfectly mastered disc most would pay it , plus with the
remaining 2 hours they could put thousands of ads..
Mo
full stop after the header . and can mark it for that.
Tere Mere Sapne 145m Eros -DEI English subtitles
Priya , Simran , Chandrachur Singh, Arshad Warsi
The highlight of this movie , which deals with a Christian
boy who falls in love with a South Indian Brahmin girl , is
of course the fun dance - Ladki ankh mare -the girl she
winks at me -done at a taxi stand by Simran - she has one of
the best figures in Bollywood cinema and the disc is worth
having for that song alone.
Picture quality is good - flesh tones are still not quite as
good as Superdigital but resolution in fine and sound is
good - but there was some audio dropout. Often cleaning the
disc with a bit of mild soap and water will get rid of
fingerprints .
Some DVDs have started coming out with color pictures on the
labelled side - a great idea.
One useful feature on this disc is reviews of other DVDs -
Bandhan (Salman Khan) and Kareeb -an excellent movie with
the old time slower songs and also it has trailers of movies
being shown now or coming to the screen - Kudrat and Doli
Saja ke rakhna - the supporting actress in this I think is
Mink -the same girl as in Saat rang ke sapne -another great
find .
Mo
devastation caused by a loved one going off with somebody
else as the 'yeh duinya meri kam ki nahin -this world is of
no use to me ; in Heer Ranjha . The picture does definitely
improves markedly after the first half hour on this DVD..
Mo
he liked best and wanted to listen again and again was
Chayian chayian filmed on the train -Dil Se .
Westerners seem to like regular rythmic beats ..
Niraj Agarwalla
: A gora friend came to see some of my DVD movies and the song
: he liked best and wanted to listen again and again was
: Chayian chayian filmed on the train -Dil Se .
: Westerners seem to like regular rythmic beats ..
Because "Chayian Chayian" is not a traditional Indian film song, but
a Western-influenced pop tune. Personally, I like it.
Mo
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English subtitles
Picture quality -great , Sound - great.
Story of lecherous Hindu priests , jealous husbands
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No subtitle Picture -Good , sound -could be a lot better.
Famous for Daler Mehndi's 'Na re na re ' song but even
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90min Single side dual layer 5 audio and 5 subtitle option
The picture quality is very good even as it has filmed all
indoors under artificial lights. I am not sure of the need
for 5 languages as the singing is done all in French ( or is
it Italian ?) .
The subtitles are great . For the first time one can make
sense of what they are singing about !. This is why it is
insane to have Bollywood DVDs with the songs not subtitled
as the songs and dances are the best bits of the movies and
is the one thing that will make them popular . At least the
pirates have realised that !
It is digital stereo and the sound is good. What was the
need for dual layers and just 45 min on each layer ? Is it
the bit rate ? It says 24 bit on the cover and that may be
the reason. It costs no more than ordinary DVDs about $25 ,
so dual layering is NOT expensive and Bollywood movies
should start coming out on it . I believe it adds only about
$3 to prodcution costs and most of us would be very happy to
pay a premium like that for perfect picture and 5.1
recording.
Who will be the first one to bring out DVDs of all the songs
, right from the very first movie ? I have just ordered Aan
and will put a review on it . With each dual layer at least
6 full movie songs could be put on each DVD.
It would be a dream come true..
Thomas Muething
>
> Mrityudand -Eros-DEI
> Madhuri , Ayub Khan , Shabana
> English subtitles
> Picture quality -great , Sound - great.
> Story of lecherous Hindu priests , jealous husbands
> gangsters , corrupt politicians in a village setting . The
> best song is the first one where the village belle does an
> erotic dance (with her clothes on) on a raised platform in
> the middle of the village. Must have disc.
Where do you get those from (mail order?), cheaply?
Thomas
Mo
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Thomas Muething <uzs...@uni-bonn.de> wrote:
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Apke Hain Kaun and I think Dil se
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97 - English subtitles - Urmilla , Madhoo , Sanjay
A move which didnt do too well at the box office because it
didnt have any villains , fights , gut wrentching emotional
scenes . Story of a man who refuses to marry until he meats
his dream girl.
Picture quality is very good and sound great , good stereo
separation .
Wish they would label the beauty spots -that temple with the
columns made of horses rising on their hoofs -is it a real
temple or a mock up ?. Must see if its real .
10 songs - maybe a bit too many but with the good sound they
are nice to hear. The subtitles are in yellow and very easy
to read , but in fast talking scenes they tend to lag behind
so you see them when the camera has moved on -a great way to
learn new Hindi words for those who already know a few.
This DVD has lots of extra features - a slide show and a
behind the scenes meeting with all the main actors and
actresses -lasting well over half an hour and also scenes of
the shooting . The only complaint is against Urmilla -surely
woman acting in a Hindi movie you can speak at least one
complete sentence and not go on in English all the time !
I dont think its dual layer so how have they managed to
squeeze four hours of such good quality audio and video on
to one layer ? The guys who did the compression in Santa
Cruz may have the answer , Curiously the disc is marked 'not
for sale in India'.
Mo
subtitltes
starring Madhuri, Jackie Shroff , Sonam, Sangeeta ,Sunny
Sound-very good , Picture resolution -very good , color
rendition does not match Superdigtial standards but is
still very good.
The disc has trailers for Doli Saja ke Rakhna ( excellent
new film ) and Kudrat on the screen and forthcoming DVD
-Kareeb -another great movie.
The tribal dance with I think the very pretty girl Sonam is
very good and really these songs and dances are a sort of
fashion parade . I counted 11 costume changes in 3 minutes
for Sonam -a very smooth mover in the belly dancing outfits.
There is also a naughty dance by Sangeeta , India's cricket
captain's new wife - one I am sure she would rather forget !
One good feature of DVDs is the chapter search . Hitting the
forward search a few times will still only take you to the
next one but hitting the back chapter search twice will take
you to the beginning of the previous but one eg if you are
watching 1-7 hitting the back search twice will take you to
the start of 1-6 , a very useful way of getting to the
beginning of the song chapters . Doing that a few times will
get you back to the start of the movie , another way to do
that of course is to hit Tiltle and then chapter search.
If you can disable macrovision you can make video copies of
favourite songs. Another feature if you have DVD on your
computer is that one can print out the slide photographs in
color but dont ask how as I dont know. DVD for computers is
down to about $150 I believe ..
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once and the picture stops , keep it pressed and it switches
to half speed . Then press the back still speed again and
again and it changes to quarter , eighth and then sixteenth
speed.
You pick up things that you would certainly miss on VHS .
For example in that excellent 'Tirchi topiwale' song and
dance in Tridev there are a couple of scenes where three
girls are dancing in a line . One of them I thought was
prettier than even Sonam but with still step and slow speed
you realise that the background for each girl is different
and it is in fact the same girl in different costumes and
they have used a split screen technique .
I think the Tridev disc is worth buying just for that song
and dance..
Mo
Jigar had to go back to the video store unwatched after
three weeks, The tape quality was not good and it is too
much of a hassle winding to the songs.
DVD purchase or rental is far better . One can skip to and
look at the songs and dances and get the most fun of the
movie even if after 10 minutes you find that you are not
getting into it ..
Mo
Widescreen , dual layer , dolby 5.1 180 minutes . English ,
French and Spanish subtitles , also alternate Music only
track .
This is a must watch disc for DEI , Superdigital , WWE and
other guys producing Bollywood movies on DVD. Since it is 30
year old movie expected it to have faded colors -not at all
-the colors are rich . They have apparently done a
'remastering ' to deliver a 'reviatlized picture ' and a
'remixed Dolby digital sound' . Dont understand any of it
but its all good.
The picture quality has good resolution and no bleed at all
, the sound is great -as good as the Mother India disc. I
dont like widescreen normally but this one 'letter box
widescreen format preserving the ''scope'' aspect ratio of
its original theaterical exhibition and enhanced for
widescreen TVs. ' Again dont understand any of that except
that it is very acceptable as it uses the most of the TV
screen
Another nice feature is the music only track -it turns off
the voice bits so would be useful to play in the background
in health clubs.
I have a feeling that the reason that Superdigital picture
quality is so good is that they have been using dual layes
without telling anyone ! If they can start remastering all
the older movies with dual layer and such clarity they
really could have a huge market on their hands.
Another interesting feature is some discussion of the main
characters in the movie - in readable text . Now this could
be expanded a lot as their are plenty of frames -for eg
giving details of the movie stars .
Mo
mastered by DEI -Eros - double sided single layer
English Subtitles , Sound quality -Good , Picture -Awful
This was one of the earlier mastering by DEI and it is truly
awful . They have improved tremendously now - compare
Pardes with the more recently mastered 'Tridev' with
excellent sound and great picture even though the miovie is
ten years older , its worth having Tridev just for the
Tirchi Topiwale song -anybody know what other movies Sonam
acted in ?
Pardes is a superb movie -story of a girl from a very rich
but isolated village who is taken to California to be
married but gets ill treated . Some songs 'I love my India '
'Ganga' are immortal.
However I would not advise anybody to even rent this DVD as
it will put them off the format forever. DEI need to
remaster this one , and Border , and Raja Hindustani ..
Mo
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Madhuri, Sunjay , Jackie Shroff
Sound quality -superb , Picture quality -great
This is one of Bollywood's best movies - Madhuri as a
glamourous undercover cop out to nab some bad guys . Its a
must have disc and has been very well mastered by
DEI (Eros) .
One faboulous song follows another - Cholee ke peeche -Whats
behind your blouse ? -My heart is behind my blouse -would be
banned in the puritanical days we are living in today but is
great fun and danced absoultely superbly by Madhuri. All the
teen girls at Indian wedding love doing this one.
Aaja sajan . Palki me hoke sawar with the tribal dancers
and others , every song is a great hit. It would be
interesting to see what non South Asians think of this disc
, sadly the best part of the movie -the songs dont have
English subtitles.
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Dilip Kumar , Nimmi , Nadira
Sound -Fabuolous ,Picture - Okay
What a joy it is to hear the live orchestral recordings in
these 50 year old movies before the computer synthesizers
and heavy western beats ruined it .
It is one of the few DVD movies which fills the TV screen
completely and has English subtitles of the songs. Pity the
subtitles cant be turned off as the translation is atrocious
- when she sings 'the deep valley and high mountains sing
and tell us of his coming' is translated as ' My beloved is
here' . Keep it literal ! Its more fun and shows why these
movies are so popular .
Ali Raza's dialog is fantastic. Annoyingly the name of the
playback singers is not given - Lata must have been 12 then
and I think thats when she started.
Must have disc for the music and hope there are lots more
from that period.
Bade Mian Chote Mian -Superdigital 170min -1998 -no
subtitles
Raveena , Amitabh, Govinda , Rambha
Sound -Great , Picture -perfect
What is wrong with Superdigital ? They make the best picture
quality discs , far better than most Hollywood ones and yet
cant find someone to do the Subtitles . I am sure there are
retired scholars who would do it for free and make literal
translations. I would if they asked me .
A superhit comedy film with great songs - another must have
disc ..
il_...@yahoo.com
The movie was released in 1951.
> Dilip Kumar , Nimmi , Nadira
Annoyingly the name of the
> playback singers is not given - Lata must have been 12 then
> and I think thats when she started.
Lata was around 21/22 at that time.
Afzal
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special effects . One sees just by what a great distance
they miss when one hits another - in the cinema one gets
distracted by the sound effect .
IN 'Dulhe Raja' when the bald old man hits the car and
catapults over it , it is clearly seen that the stunt man
was wearing a cap over his dark hair which comes off at the
other end . On screen of course it happens too fast.
Mo
these are just superficial impressions . Others please add
your views.
Karan Arjun -DEI Eros - 1995 -Mamta , Kajol , SRK ,Salman
Sound -good -English subtitles
Picture -okay but as with DVDs in general you have to fiddle
with the color , contrast and brightness controls to get the
best picture.
The highlight of this movie is the erotic dance by Mamta-
'Ik Munda meri umar da - a Boy of my age ' -should have been
sung by Alisha instead of Lata.
Mamta gave an interview recently in Stardust I think ,
claiming she was not a virgin and that all her best
emotional scenes were cut out of Chinagate because she
wouldnt sleep with the director Raj Santoshi -whom she
labelled as the worst human being alive .
She also said that her dance in Ghatak-'Koi jai to le aaye'
was so cut by the censors that they ruined it completely but
it still made the movie a hit. It would be great if it could
be brought out on DVD with all the cut bits restored !.
Karan Arjun is the story of reincarnation and revenge . The
dance to the Goddess Kali -the one who wears a necklace of
skulls is great but should be seen only after the kids have
been put to bed.
Bazzigar -1995 Eros -DEI -English subtitles
Kajol , SRK
Sound -good , Picture - VHS would be better
Its probably one of DEIs early recordings . They have
improved tremendously -see Khalnayak
Lata's 20 hits WEG
Sound -good
Picture - variable , some are excellent , I like the fact
that most fill the TV screen completely
Again I think the older black and white movie songs sound
the best -eg Agar mujhse mohabat ha- from Aap ki parchhiyan
and Baharon mera jeevan bi - from Aakhri Khat
Why ? I think its because one can hear the overtones of the
live orchestra. I think that present day computer
synthesized sounds may be just too pure and dont fill the
ear canals completely. I have been getting rude email about
this so if anybody agrees with me please say so ...
sidd...@ns.sympatico.ca
Mo <10033...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
<6Lqs2.17$Uu3...@nnrp2.clara.net>...
>Bade Mian Chote Mian -Superdigital 170min -1998 -no
>subtitles
>Raveena , Amitabh, Govinda , Rambha
>Sound -Great , Picture -perfect
> What is wrong with Superdigital ? They make the best picture
>quality discs , far better than most Hollywood ones and yet
>cant find someone to do the Subtitles . I am sure there are
>retired scholars who would do it for free and make literal
>translations. I would if they asked me .
> A superhit comedy film with great songs - another must have
>disc ..
Superdigital could use the subtitles (although terrible) supplied with some
prints of new Indian movies I've seen in Toronto theaters...mind you, the
subtitling for KKHH was very well done. How can you say the sound for BMCM
is 'great' when SuperDigital isn't even doing a DTS or DD 5.1 mix for the
DVD....the theatrical orignal WAS released in DTS (trust me, the poster for
BMCM hangs in my rec room). Digital quality sound is one of the biggest
selling points of DVD. If Indian audiences are enjoying DTS and DD 5.1
sound at theaters in bigger centers, it's a CRIME we can't enjoy the same
here in North America. I know you're a big SuperDigital proponent but
calling the sound great is a stretch.
-BH
>
Mo
>How can you say the sound for BMCM
is 'great' when SuperDigital isn't even doing a DTS or DD
5.1 mix for the DVD..<
not realise what I am missing . In general you are right ,
in terms of sound quality I think WWE ( Mother India) is the
best , Eros -(Dil Se) second and Superdigital third and its
reverse order for picture quality.
Sudden death ? 97 - 110mins -Dolby 5.1 Single layer
Sound -great
Picture quality - Not good
If Hollywood with all its resources is having a tough time
putting 110mins on a single layer it may explain why
Bollywood with 180min films is not doing well - BUT
Superdigital which may in fact be using dual layers (how can
one tell ?) -has in my view a better picture than the best
Hollywood I have seen . A friend from Switzerland doesnt
believe me and will get Gharwali and put his own review
soon.
Some of it may be just due to the fact that Bollywood
movies (like Shekhar's Elizabeth) are exceptionally colorful
with great set design , costumes etc. (see the Makhana
Punjabi song in BMCM)
The reason to discuss Sudden Death in this thread is the use
of the languages
Audio -English , Spanish , French
Subtitles -English , Spanish
This is a great way of learning languages . Put the audio on
Spanish and the subtitles on English and one can easily
brush up on one's Spanish . This must be what most second
generation South Asians who have only a little knoweldge of
Urdu/Hindi be experiencing when they watch movies with
subtitles. Having a dictionary handy would soon make them
learn a lot of Hindi words.
The translation in this movie is very good - it happens at
the same time as the speech ( unlike Bollywood where its
often 30 seconds behind) . The dialog in Hollywood movies is
not very good so its fairly easy to do the literal
translations while Bollywood has a lot of flowery , poetic
language which can take some doiing !.
But that I think is precisely what makes Bollywood so good
-it may not match Hollywood in action sequences (and in
Sudden death they are very good) but the dialog in Bollywood
movies can keep ringing in your head for days !
Americans can of course do it -Cheers had superb dialog ,
double meanings -but they never made a movie of it and maybe
should start doing it again or maybe Urdu is just a much
more expressive language.
Talking about Cheers , with 5 or so movies being mastered
each week , it is clear that they are going to run out of
movies to do soon and will then move on to the TV serials
,mythologicals and I am really looking forward to Om Namo
Shiva which we cant see in the West..
Mo
movies as I havent had time to watch them yet.
Bombay - 95 - Eros , Arvind Swamy , Manisha Music by Rehman
English subtitles (not of songs)
Sound -very good
Picture -very good
The picture quality gets even better during the songs and
this is as it should be - if space is limited then its best
to concentrate on the maximum bit rate during the songs
which is what people will view again and again .
Story of a mixed Hindu/Muslim marriage and the aftermath of
the Babri episodes. In one scene the rioters pour petrol
over two boys who wont tell them which community they belong
to and decide to burn them anyway. Awful . In real life the
militants injured the director Maniratnam after the movie
release.
Sonali Bendre looks exceptionally sexy in that great song
and dance 'Huma huma' which I think sounds so good because
maybe it was a live recording. Is that a Prabhudeva hit ?
Hanste Zakham - ?70s -Priya , Balraj Sahni ,WEG no subtitles
Sound -great
Picture-good
WEG has a noticeably louder soundtrack than Eros or
Superdigital and that is very good . However Eros and
superidigital have off white logos while WEG has an annoying
yellow one , albeit small throughout the movie .
Priya plays a young girl kidnapped and forced into
prostitution . The dialog in the few bits I have watched
sounds very good eg Policeman to Priya ' Yeh dandha kyoon
karti ho , kya koi mujburiyan hai ? and Priya answers
'Zindagi hi ek majburi hai ' - 'Why are you in this
professions ,are there some compulsions on you ? ' 'Life
itself is a compulsion!' And another 'Sab rasta dikhate hain
mujhe, koi do kadam sath chalne ko tyaar nahin 'Everyone
wants to show me the way but nobody is prepared to walk two
steps with me ! '
Pity this movie doesnt have subtitles , I think it could be
a great hit in the West just because of the dialogs and
songs..
ani...@my-dejanews.com
10033...@compuserve.com (Mo) wrote:
> <sidd...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >How can you say the sound for BMCM
> is 'great' when SuperDigital isn't even doing a DTS or DD
> 5.1 mix for the DVD..<
> I havent got my DVD player hooked up to 5 speakers so I may
> not realise what I am missing . In general you are right ,
> in terms of sound quality I think WWE ( Mother India) is the
> best , Eros -(Dil Se) second and Superdigital third and its
> reverse order for picture quality.
>
If you do not have a system to comment on the sound on a DVD, please desist
from doing so. Just talk about the picture quality and that too just in
the RAMLI newsgroup, since this has no relevance to RMIM. Please listen to
what people are saying on this newsgroup. No one is trying to stop you from
voicing your opinions, but please do it in the right forum.
Cheers,
Anil P. Hingorani
Mo
continue to write about what I think of the sound music
quality on DVDs . Just hit the ignore button so you dont see
my posts.
I agree this thread has got too long , and so will post a
monthly one from now on..
Mo
that deals with the sound and music quality of Bollywood
DVDs each month . A DVD medium is just like a CD and in fact
DVDs can play CDs and nobody objects to a discussion of the
sound quality of CDs on RMIM .
Cross posting can also be useful . Not everybody knows about
RMIM and there was one person who was looking for the
translation of the malyalee song - Jiya Jale from the movie
Dil Se and he got no replies until I posted it to sci and
sci.kerala .