Unto you YOUR RELIGION, and unto me MY RELIGION AL-KAFIROON (THE DISBELIEVERS, ATHEISTS) -- Pickthal's Quran Translation
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DISBELIEVERS, ATHEISTS) -- Pickthal's Quran Translation
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Unto you YOUR RELIGION,
and unto me MY RELIGION
AL-KAFIROON
(THE DISBELIEVERS, ATHEISTS) --
Pickthal's Quran Translation
WHY were the NAMES OF GOD ELOHAH [ILAH--ALLAH]
and BAALI given full legitimacy IN YOUR SCRIPTURES at first --
and also used by David and YAH VEH, respectively?
but first of, please note that the Holy QUR’AN is Allah’s final
message, command and guidance for Muslims in particular.
17:110.
1. qulid’Ul-laaha
2. awid’Ur raHmaan*
3. ay-yam maa tad’UU
4. fa lahul
4. asmaaul Husnaa*
1. Say: "Call upon ALLAH,
2. OR CALL UPON RAHMAN:
3. by whatever name ye call upon Him,
4. : for to Him belong
5. THE MOST BEAUTIFUL NAMES.
Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation
20: 8.
1. al-laahu
2. LAA ILAAHA
3. il-laa huwa*
4. lahul asmaaul Husnaa
1. Allah!
2. THERE IS NO GOD
3. but He is!
4. To Him belong the most Beautiful Names.
Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation
the Judea Christian sources and scriptures
below mentioned are 2-two Judea Christian quotes AND,
OTHER REFERENCES FROM YOUR SCRIPTURES which will hopefully
help you decide what you are looking for.
1. June 18, 2003 The Islamic Diety
http://www.matsati.com/islamic-diety.html</a>
2. Reply by Wondell 2 hours ago
quoted earlier on the same subject.
details below.
both are from the current Jewish / Israelites sources on the net.
choose what you will and let’s agree to disagree as well, end
this protracted and unproductive matter here.
but first allow me to ask you, why were THE NAMES OF GOD
ELOHAH [ILAH--ALLAH] AND BAALI invoked in YOUR SCRIPTURES,
if indeed they were THE PAGAN GODS originally or initially,
as contended now?
see details from YOUR SCRIPTURES given below.
i would prefer that WE LEAVE personal bigotries, hypotheses,
childish games and attacks aside. you know who i am talking
about. this is a general request.
i am not here to score a point or have the last say in the matter.
just quote the scriptures to make your point without resorting to
abuse.
why was ELOHAH [ILAH--ALLAH]
invoked at all, if he was a pagan god?
please note that the book of Habakkuk was not associated with the
LORD GOD OF Israel , the Jews and/or the Hebrews in anyway,
shape or form. it seems strange does it not?
in fact there are OTHER 4-FOUR SUCH BOOKS
IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.
BY THE WAY #5-FIVE IS VERY IMPORTANT IN ISLAM.
THE SECOND BURDEN OF HABAKKUK
o Art thou not from EVERLASTING ANTIQUITY ,
1. LORD YAH VEH
2. MY GOD ELOHIM ,
3. MINE HOLY ONE?
o we shall not die.
1. LORD Yah Veh ,
o Thou hast ordained set them for judgment;
1. And, o mighty GOD ROCK ,
o thou hast established founded them
o for correction reproving .
(Habakkuk 1:12 ERRB)
A PRAYER H8605 tephillâh tef-il-law' --
THE LYRIC POEM OF HABAKKUK
2. A PRAYER H8605 tephillâh tef-il-law' --
3. OF HABAKKUK THE PROPHET
4. upon Shigionoth A Lyric Poem .
(Habakkuk 3:1 ERRB)
H8605
תּפלּה
tephillâh
tef-il-law'
From H6419; INTERCESSION, supplication;
by implication A HYMN: - PRAYER.
note:
this following text & invocation, respectively
had a much more profound meaning
than what was apparent at first:
THE UNIVERSAL MESSAGE
FOR THE E_A_R_T_H
shall be filled with the knowledge
OF THE G_L_O_R_Y
H_O_N_O_U_R
OF THE LORD YAH VEH ,
as the waters cover the sea.
(Habakkuk 2:14 ERRB)
1. CHANGE OF THE DIVINE NAMES
2. With the REVIVAL OF
3. THE ISHMAELITE DISPENSATION
^^^^^^^^
an earlier example comes to mind at this time.
1. birthed Yishma El to ABRAM.
2. ABRAM RENAMED ABRAHAM
o And ABRAM
o was fourscore a son of eighty and six years old ,
o when HAGAR
o bare ISHMAEL
o birthed Yishma El to ABRAM.
o (Genesis 16:16 ERRB)
ABRAM RENAMED ABRAHAM
o And ABRAM fell on his face:
o and GOD TALKED ELOHIM
o worded with him, saying,
(Genesis 17:3 ERRB)
o Neither shall thy name any
o more be called ABRAM,
o but thy name SHALL BE ABRAHAM;
o for a father of many nations
o a multitude of goyim
o have I made given thee.
(Genesis 17:5 ERRB)
IRREFUTABLE TRANSITION
FROM
o LORD YAH VEH ,
i. REVIVE
ii. THY WORK DEEDS
TO
iii. GOD ELOHAH [ILAH--ALLAH]
iv. AND THE HOLY ONE
v. FROM MOUNT PARAN.
vi. ISHMAEL & PARAN
FROM
o LORD Yah Veh ,
o I have heard thy speech report ,
o and was afraid awed :
3. LORD YAH VEH ,
4. REVIVE
5. ENLIVEN
6. THY WORK DEEDS
7. in the midst of the years,
8. in the midst of the years make known;
9. in wrath quivering remember mercy.
(Habakkuk 3:2 ERRB)
TO
o GOD ELOHAH [ILAH--ALLAH]
o AND THE HOLY ONE
o FROM MOUNT PARAN.
o ISHMAEL & PARAN
1. GOD ELOHAH [ILAH--ALLAH]
2. came from Teman,
3. And the Holy One from MOUNT PARAN.
4. Selah.
5. HIS G_L_O_R_Y MAJESTY
COVERED THE HEAVENS,
6. AND THE EARTH
was full of filled with his praise halal
.
(Habakkuk 3:3 ERRB) +
(Habakkuk 3:2 ERRB) +
(Habakkuk 2:14 ERRB)
HEAVENLY GLORY AND EARTHLY PRAISE
IS ALSO THE MESSAGE OF ISLAM.
THIS WAS A UNIVERSAL MESSAGE RE: ISLAM:
• GOD ELOHAH [ILAH--ALLAH]
• came from Teman,
• And the Holy One from MOUNT PARAN.
(Habakkuk 3:3 ERRB) +
(Habakkuk 3:2 ERRB) +
(Habakkuk 2:14 ERRB)
that said, now look at the - PSALMIST QUESTION
(Psalms 18:31 ERRB),
and what was asked therein:
o To the chief Musician His Eminence ,
o A PSALM OF DAVID,
o THE SERVANT OF THE LORD YAH VEH ,
o WHO SPAKE WORDED UNTO
o the LORD Yah Veh
o THE WORDS OF THIS SONG
o IN THE DAY THAT
o THE LORD DELIVERED
o YAH VEH RESCUED
(Psalms 18:1 ERRB)
this profound psalm opens with David’s prayer of gratitude
to the LORD Yah Veh WHO DELIVERED HIM.
and then David continued like so:
o THE LORD YAH VEH
o IS MY ROCK,
o AND MY FORTRESS stronghold ,
o and my deliverer escape ;
o MY GOD EL ,
o MY STRENGTH ROCK ,
o in whom I will trust seek refuge ;
o MY BUCKLER,
o AND THE HORN OF MY SALVATION,
o AND MY HIGH TOWER
o SECURE LOFT .
o (Psalms 18:2 ERRB)
COMPARE
o (Psalms 18:2 ERRB) with (Psalms 18:31 ERRB)
and show me some distinction between the two, if indeed one
was a legitimate God-- YAH VEH
whereas, the other was ONLY a pagan GOD ELOHAH.
o For who is GOD ELOHAH [ILAH--ALLAH]
o save the LORD except YAH VEH ?
o or who is A ROCK
o save except OUR GOD ELOHIM ?
o (Psalms 18:31 ERRB)
the question was:
1. who is God ELOHAH? i.e., [ILAH--ALLAH]
AND NOT the other way around;
2. for example: who is Yah Veh?
3. He was ALSO the LEGITIMATE
God ELOHAH of Jacob Yaaqov
WHAT WAS THE PSALMIST IMPLICATION HERE?
there is nothing here to indicate any form of paganism,
is there?
anyhow, if ELOHAH was [ILAH--ALLAH]
in any way inferior then this psalmist question was
invalid and meaningless at that point, don’t you agree?
but people will continue to argue, regardless,
they are insatiable, as seems to be the case here.
do you know even Moses mention the name of ELOHAH - [ILAH--ALLAH]
at Deuteronomy 32:15 – 17.
• therein we have pluralism of the divine.
• or the pleroma of the divine.
ADDITIONAL DAVIDIC INVOCATIONS & FEAR
WARNING – YE THAT FORGET GOD ELOHAH [ILAH--ALLAH]
1. Now I beseech, consider discern this,
2. YE THAT FORGET GOD ELOHAH [ILAH--ALLAH]
3. lest I TEAR you in pieces,
4. and THERE BE NONE to deliver rescue .
A UNIVERSAL MESSAGE
THOU EARTH
o THE LORD ADONAY
o THE GOD ELOHAH [ILAH--ALLAH]
o OF JACOB YAAQOV
1. Tremble Writhe ,
2. THOU EARTH,
3. AT THE PRESENCE FACE OF [1]
4. THE LORD ADONAY ,
5. AT THE PRESENCE FACE OF [2]
6. THE GOD ELOHAH [ILAH--ALLAH]
7. OF JACOB YAAQOV
(Psalms 114:7 ERRB)
1. Surely thou wilt SLAY SHALT SEVERE the wicked,
2. GOD ELOHAH [ILAH--ALLAH]
3. depart turn aside from me therefore,
4. ye bloody men of blood .
(Psalms 139:19 ERRB)
can you imagine ELOHAH [ILAH--ALLAH]
being given this much legitimacy in
The prophetic book of Psalms?
[<a href="http://yehoshvabeitmidrash.com/aboutus.aspx
BUT THEN WHO ARE WE TO
JUDGE GOD IN HIS MATTERS?
EXCERPTS
thomas cossette :
[We believe the Psalms are also equally prophetic.]
[My faith is based on conscience and conviction of heart. As far
as those I do see as brethern, I can not name them all. It is too
great a task for any to name.
But some of my favorites are;
1. Melchizedek,
2. Abraham,
3. Isaac, and Jacob;
4. Job;
5. , Aaron; Joshua, …..
6. KING DAVID, ….
7. Isaiah, …
8. Daniel,
9. Hosea, ..
10. Habakkuk, ..
11. Haggai, …
12. Malachi,]
[<a href="http://yehoshvabeitmidrash.com/aboutus.aspx">
note:
KING SOLOMON WAS LEFT OUT FROM THIS PRESTIGIOUS LIST.
^^^^^^^
[emphasis added and some names deleted, ali]
regardless, we’ll find most opposition to their teachings coming
from such people only.
and then we have the following as well.:
WHAT WAS THE PSALMIST IMPLICATION HERE?
WHY were the NAMES OF GOD ELOHAH [ILAH--ALLAH]
and BAALI given full
legitimacy IN YOUR SCRIPTURES at first?
and as such, where will you draw a line?
‘AND SHALT CALL ME NO MORE
BAALI/ MY BAAL ‘ -
(Hosea 2:16 ERRB)
WHO WAS BAAL?
H1168
בּעל
ba‛al
bah'-al
THE SAME AS H1167; BAAL, H1168
A PHOENICIAN DEITY: - BAAL, H1168
[PLURAL] BAALIM.
Yah Veh
And it shall be at that day,
saith the LORD an oracle of Yah Veh ,
that thou shalt call me ISHI/ MY MAN ;
and shalt call me no more
BAALI/ MY BAAL. H1168
(Hosea 2:16 ERRB)
in view of the above was Yah Veh - BAAL HIMSELF or one of the said
BAALIM?
why would anyone want to deny these scriptural facts only?
• the names of the Baalim [PLURAL]
• their [PLURAL]
• name. [SINGULAR]
For I will take away shall turn aside
• THE NAMES OF BAALIM [PLURAL]
out of her mouth,
and they shall no more be
remembered BY THEIR [PLURAL]
NAME. [SINGULAR]
(Hosea 2:17 ERRB)
Baal (1)
bā´alÌ (בּעל, ba‛al; Βαìαλ, Baìal, or Βααìλ, Baaìl): The
Babylonian Belu or Bel, “Lord,”
was the title of the supreme god
among the Canaanites.
I. Name and Character of Baal
II. Attributes of Baal
III. Baal-Worship
Baal, a common name for ALL HEATHEN GODS,
Baal, a Phaenician
^^^^^^^^^^
deity (used as a symbol of idolatry): - Baal.
H1180
בּעלי
ba‛ălîy
bah-al-ee'
From H1167 with pronominal suffix;
MY MASTER; BAALI, H1168
A SYMBOLICAL NAME OF
JEHOVAH: - BAALI. H1168
(used as a symbol of IDOLATRY):
G896
Βάαλ
Baal
bah'-al
Of Hebrew origin [H1168];
Baal, a Phaenician deity H1168
(used as a symbol of IDOLATRY): - Baal. H1168
o YET I AM THE LORD I - YAH VEH
o THY GOD ELOHIM
o from the land of Egypt Misrayim ,
o and thou shalt know No God But Elohim
o beside me:
o for there is no SAVIOUR beside
o except me.
(Hosea 13:4 ERRB)
COMPARE
And I John saw the holy city,
new Jerusalem,
coming down from God out of heaven,
PREPARED AS A BRIDE ADORNED
FOR HER HUSBAND.
(Revelation 21:2 KJV)
remember, there were/are and will be people in all ages
regardless, who will dispute about GOD --
my GOD versus your GOD or whatever.
nothing will satisfy them, as seems to the case here generally --
with thomas cossette, zealot x and now you.
i have quoted quote the QUR'AN in the past and that did
not change your opinion.
so nothing else will.
109: 6. Unto you YOUR RELIGION,
and unto me MY RELIGION.
Pickthal's Quran Translation
and let's leave it at that. let’s agree to disagree without making
this personal. i am here ONLY to learn and share what little i know.
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ALLAH
is the PERSONAL NAME of god
who worshipped in Islam.
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versus your personal opinion ----
and both are Jewish or Israelite views.
accept what you will
Reply by Wondell 2 hours ago
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Oh I see so you're saying that Allah is a personal name.
Then I beg to differ.
As it's been said repeated in the Muslim World that Allah is "The
Deity" Allah is
not his name.
Even christian muslims refer to "God" as Allah because they are
using their mother tongue.
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