Taliban religion of hate and mass murder is foreign to Pakistan
Jedi
thing as mass murder of civilians done in the name of religion. The
Indus valley civilization was governed by kings and Vedic philosophy
that simply would not allow it.
Pakistan and Afghanistan must remove the terrorist cults masquerading
as religion from their lands once and for all.
Satish Kumar
Pakistan was conceived in Blood. It was born in blood. It was torn
asunder in 1971 in blood. And it will die in blood unless and until
Pakis determinedly turn their backs on the politics of hatred
propounded by Talibans, Al Qaedas, Jamaat-e-Islami etc. Pakistan's
wickedly corrupt military isn't helping one bit in Pakiland's struggle
for survival.
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Jedi
No. No. No. The founding father of Pakistan wanted freedom of religion
for the new nation. He stated that in his inaugural address to the new
nation and the world. Unfortunately over the years till today, the
Moslem extremists mixed politics with violent religion and violent
religion with politics which is the cause of all the chaos, division,
and violence in Pakistan. Violent religion and politics must always be
separated. In fact in true democracy freedom of religion and human
rights are constitutional rights guaranteed to all and the foremost
human right is the right to live in peace and properity.
Thus terrorists and militant insurgents must be removed for security
purposes first. Unfortunately, this has never been done in the tribal
areas completely since the founding of the nation and this is what is
going on now. The national government must exert its rule of secular
state law over all of its territory. That is Jinnah's vision as well
as the rest of the free world.
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There already was freedom of religion in India. What was the need for
Pakistan ?
Jedi
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> There already was freedom of religion in India. What was the need for
> Pakistan ?
No need really but the British wanted to punish the "rebellious
colony" with absolute political division for not bowing to the
British monarchy. Today the subcontinent would have been whole had it
not been for the lawyers and politicians on all sides who agreed to
the division of the social body which was a big mistake. Religion can
be harmonized when it respects all people. But to misuse religion to
divide and kill people is the greatest sin.
The best future for the former territories India, Afghanistan, and
Pakistan is for them to unite under the timeless wisdom of respect for
the individual's quality of work.
priestly intellectuals are the head (give spiritual guidance to the
social body)
military services are the arms (protect the social body)
agriculture and mercantile are the stomach (feed and clothe the social
body)
laborers are the legs (provide manual labor to build the social body)
These four basic occupational divisions of work must work together
because alone they perish. Each of them cannot exist without the
services of the other. Thus they are interdependent. When one
occupational group tries to dominate the others then there is
political oppression and corruption. When they all work together then
the social body becomes healthy and all can proper.
fanabba
Jihad and Sharia have been part of Islam from its inception.
Jedi
But Jihad and Sharia is foreign to Pakistan, Afghanistan, and India
which had a glorious civilization for thousands of years way before
the invading armies of Islam entered the picture.
Jihad and Sharia brought the religious violence to South Asia hundreds
of years ago and they have maintained it till today. It is about time
that the people of the subcontinent get rid of the mass murdering
terrorist cult masquerading as religion. Either they peacefully co-
exist with the indeginous people or go back from where they came.
Serial mass murder of innocent civilians simply cannot be allowed what
to speak of the blasphemy against real religion.
fanabba
If they give up Jihad and Sharia, they become Hindus.
Jedi
No. No. No. They become free and individual freedom is absolutely
necessary to distinguish between reality from illusion for ultimate
liberation from all material bondage. It does not matter whether one
is Moslem, Hindu, Sikh or whatever. One's spiritual identity requires
freedom of conscience and expression otherwise it will just be a
rubber stamp of blind following, subject to manipulation by the powers
that be.
Jinnah was right when he addressed the government and people of
Pakistan in 1947 calling for freedom of religion. Pakistanis did not
listen carefully to his message and allowed violent fundamentalism to
take hold in their land.
Jinnah wanted religion to be free from politics and politics to be
free from religion. He saw that as the greatest setback for all the
people of the Asian subcontinent. He was right in 1947 and he is still
right today. May his vision for the people be fulfilled.
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Jinnah may want anything, but in Islam religion and Sharia and Jihad
cannot be separated.
This is best exemplified by "Prophet" Muhammad and the Koran.
Jedi
Jinnah is the founding father of Pakistan and thus he is the
intellectual preceptor and well wisher of the people of Pakistan. If
his instruction for freedom of religion is disobeyed then there will
be chaos and self destruction among the people. He had foreseen what
is happening today. Even in the Koran it is stated that there is no
compulsion in religion.
The reason for religious freedom is that everyone's consciousness and
quality of work is different being created as individuals by nature.
No one can be forced to think and act exactly like someone else. To do
so is foolishness ending in dictatorship and oppression.
Real religion is acquired through complete knowledge of reality
distinguished from illusion for the ultimate welfare of all people. It
is not acquired at the point of a gun nor through violence and terror.
Political power is acquired that way but not real religion. Real
religion is progressive knowledge and progressive knowledge requires
freedom of thought not violence and terror.
"Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be
maintained by violence. Any man who has once proclaimed violence as
his method is inevitably forced to take the lie as his principle. -
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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You are quoting the "No cmpulsion in religion" verse from Koran. How
about
Chapter 9 verse 5: Slay the idolaters wherever you find them?
Chapter 8 verse 39: Fight until Islam rules the world ?
Do you know the Principle of Abrogation in Islam ? Do you know that
your "no compulsion in Religion" verse (a verse of the Meccan Koran)
has been cancelled by the Jihad verses (verses from the Medinan
Koran)? Pleae learn the truth about Islam. Are people going to listen
to Muhammad or Jinnah?
Jedi
If Pakistanis want peace and prosperity they will go back and listen
to their founding father. They have already seen what is down the
other road.
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The majority of Pakistanis want Sharia and Jihad against Kafirs.
Jedi
That is not pure monotheism. Pure monotheism is based on complete
knowledge not complete violence/hate.
Allah is also known as absolute knowledge. That knowledge must include
the following subjects:
knowledge of the inter-relationship of all energies
knowledge of our function in that relationship
knowledge of the fruit of our function both in nescience and in
liberation.
Without perfect and complete knowledge of these subjects monotheism
becomes external show and corrupt. Thus the process of pure religion
is not one of violence but of progressive understanding which requires
freedom of religion.
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Taqiyya: Islamic doctrine of deceiving Kafirs (non-Muslims) about the
true nature of Islam.
www.faithfreedom.org
www.islam-watch.org
www.jihadwatch.org
www.historyofjihad.com
harmony
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utter nonsense.
founding father of pakistan was mohamad, and jinna was his prophet.
everybody knows mohamad commands his followers to annihilate kafirs.
not surprisingly in prophet jinna's pakstani constitution the laws must
conform to koran. people knowingly hide this fact while pretending to be
do-gooders are the biggest threat to hindus, and must be hanged for
engineering genocide.