Cannibalism in Finland
Onésime Trépončme
tribes now living in Finland were cannibals.
Who were those tribes?
Until when did cannibalism perdure in Finland?
Why did it, actually perdure for so long?
Last but not least, would you say that lipeäkala was the reason why people
went to eat other people?
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arto k eskelinen
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> Last but not least, would you say that lipeäkala was the reason why
> people went to eat other people?
Most likely, altough I personally have never tasted food prepared from
fellow human ingredients. (I'm a vegetarian!)
But I've tasted lipeäkala in my childhood. It was awful, nothing can
be worse than lipeäkala, imo. Or maybe surströmming could? Any canni-
balism in Sweden?
BR.
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> > Last but not least, would you say that lipeäkala was the reason why
> > people went to eat other people?
>
> Most likely, altough I personally have never tasted food prepared from
> fellow human ingredients. (I'm a vegetarian!)
>
> But I've tasted lipeäkala in my childhood. It was awful, nothing can
> be worse than lipeäkala, imo.
Nothing can be worse than vegetables, they spoil the pure nice taste of
lipeäkala! Still worse are ananas rings spoiling the taste of pork fillet!
And mämmi? These are the real reasons to cannibalism!
Human meat is the only meat that a veganist is allowed to eat!
Kent Persson
eskelinen" <arto-k-e...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> But I've tasted lipeäkala in my childhood. It was awful, nothing can
> be worse than lipeäkala, imo. Or maybe surströmming could? Any canni-
> balism in Sweden?
No. Not after 1809.
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Jussi Jalonen
>On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 01:02:16 +0300 in soc.culture.nordic, "arto k
>eskelinen" <arto-k-e...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>Any cannibalism in Sweden?
>
>No. Not after 1809.
WHAT?!? Surely the Finns in Norrbotten and Värmland continued this beautiful
tradition after the separation? Or was it banned? Damn it, did those horrible
swedification policies you pursued include outlawing cannibalism? Vile cultural
imperialists!
Cheers,
Jalonen,
who's off to eat his sister-in-law
Reijo
mentions the year 1809 as the year when the Swedes abandoned cannibalism.
Oddly, that coincides with the Great Liberation of Finland... So, we can
conlude that the
wicked pervert Swedes actually ate innocent helpless Finns until the (always
so) well-intentioned and human Russians saved us from the genocide. (Now
that we know the truth, Jarmo Ryyti can add one more item to the long list
of sins the Swedes have committed against the Finns.) Besides, I have
visited Värmland several times, and I could not find anybody able to speak
Finnish there (except some recent immigrants + a couple students who had
studied Finnish ). Many people pretented to be descentants of Finns, but
that must have been just to conceal the crime. The Swedes simply ate all
the Finns of Värmland, and I think that must have been after 1809 though
Kent tries to claim otherwise.
Well, today we live in different world, but somehow we have to settle this
painful issue. Today, many once oppressed minorities/groups are seeking
financial compensation for the past crimes committed against them. As the
Swedes must have
eaten some of my ancestors, I qualify for a big financial compensation. The
money can be sent to my bank account at
Merita (Nordea) bank. I am not disclosing my bank account number here, but
that is no problem. They know me very well at that bank because of frequent
overdrafts, and they will be even happier than me to see finally some money
appear on my account...
Tack på förhand, thanks in advance,
Reijo
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Kari Yli-Kuha
> studied Finnish ). Many people pretented to be descentants of Finns, but
> that must have been just to conceal the crime. The Swedes simply ate all
Old man said: "you are what you eat, eat well"
Young man said: "you are what you wear, wear well"
- genesis
/Kari
Reijo
national dishes in the Nordic countries...
If he had ever tasted surströmming, lutfisk, lipeäkala, etc, I could
understand very well that he could have thought that even cannibalism is
better. Anyway, kalakukko, lörtsy and Lemin särä are very tasty... And I
guess the must be some national delicacies in the other Nordic countries,
too...
Reijo
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>... And Iguess the must be some national delicacies in the other Nordic
countries,
> too...
>
Herring.... pickled, frayed, boiled, name it end it's a delicious.
Except the sour ones (Surströmming).
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Dan Palm
Scania, Sweden
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Onésime Trépončme
> So, we can
> conlude that the
> wicked pervert Swedes actually ate innocent helpless Finns until the
(always
> so) well-intentioned and human Russians saved us from the genocide. (Now
> that we know the truth, Jarmo Ryyti can add one more item to the long
list
> of sins the Swedes have committed against the Finns.)
Great, that will keep him busy.
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Ilkka
> >>Any cannibalism in Sweden?
> >
> >No. Not after 1809.
>
> WHAT?!? Surely the Finns in Norrbotten and Värmland continued this beautiful
> tradition after the separation? Or was it banned? Damn it, did those horrible
> swedification policies you pursued include outlawing cannibalism? Vile cultural
> imperialists!
Eating swedes is not considered as cannibalism.
Ilkka
Hugh Watkins
>
>WHAT?!? Surely the Finns in Norrbotten and Värmland continued this
>beautiful
>tradition after the separation? Or was it banned? Damn it, did those
>horrible
>swedification policies you pursued include outlawing cannibalism? Vile
>cultural
>imperialists!
a quick look
Hugh W
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=cannibalism+Scandinavia&btnG=Google+Search
A SCANDINAVIAN SAGA - Part I (56 minutes) Sweden s prehistoric saga begins
over 12,000 years ago.
This film takes a different look at the Stone, Bronze and Iron Ages in
Scandinavia. It describes a Stone Age hunting society now thought to have
been peaceful, egalitarian and prosperous prob- ably the last time in
Scandinavia that man lived in total harmony with nature.
According to new archaeological research, the so- called agricultural
revolution in Scandinavia, which began 6,000 years ago, was not an
entirely positive development. Society became more aggressive, ritual
cannibalism persisted over a long period of time, and contagious diseases
were rampant.
§ Production: Bo G. and Carl O. Löfman for Swedish Television, 1986.
USA too http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_911000/911633.stm
>> 1 Gordon-Grube, K., "Anthropology in Post-Renaissance Europe: The
Tradition of Medicinal Cannibalism," American Anthropologist, 1988,
90:405-409; quoted in Tim D. White, Cannibalism Past and Present,
Princeton University Press, 1992, p. 23.
2 "Anglo-Saxons": Father Jerome, from Gibbon, J. Rise and Fall of the
Roman Empire, (1838 ed.), Vol. 3, p. 316; "Irish Cells": Strabo,
Geography, (Casaubon, ed.), p. 201; Wood-Martin, W.G., Traces of the Elder
Faiths of Ireland, (London, 1902), Vol.2, p. 286ff; as quoted in The Blood
Sacrifice Complex, E. M. Loeb, Memoirs of the American Anthropological
Association, No.30, Menasha, Wis., 1923, p. 34.
3 Tim D. White, Cannibalism Past and Present, pp. 23-24.
4 Loeb, p. 34.
<< http://www.hli.org/publications/hlir/1996/hr119605.html
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>> IRON AGE TEMPLE DISCOVERED
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Kimmo Saarinen
> Eating swedes is not considered as cannibalism.
Right, they are pure organic vegetables, that have via some
miracle way developed a skill to talk some kind of language
that even me can some times understand.
Cultivating, just cultivating ;-)
k@ (jihaa !)
Jussi Jalonen
>Eating swedes is not considered as cannibalism.
Well, no, but it's considered a sickness, swedophagia. The very thought of
eating the meat of a Swede.... that's just too perverse to contemplate...
Cheers,
Jalonen,
who's off to bite a Dane
Val
>
> WHAT?!? Surely the Finns in Norrbotten and Värmland continued this beautiful
> tradition after the separation? Or was it banned? Damn it, did those horrible
> swedification policies you pursued include outlawing cannibalism? Vile cultural
> imperialists!
Finns of Dalecarlia has obviously been forgotten. I would GUESS
they outnumbered the finnish population in both Värmland and
Norrbotten in 1809. You might take a look at a detailed map
over Orsa and surroundings. Plentiful of Finnish names on lakes,
villages etc. still remains. Dan Andersson (famous poet) was
ethnic finnish.
Läckö/Noppikoski (Västgötland) also carries a Finnish name, but
that is "stolen/transported" from Finland by Swedish-speaking
nobility.
Back to buissness:
I guess the origial question goes back to the writings of ibn
Fadhlan (arabic discoverer), or a recent Hollywood production.
According to present theory ibn Fadhlan is describing EITHER Finland OR
Sweden (or possibly even Estonia/Inkeri).
However The Hollywood picture "The Man-Eaters" was filmed in
Norway. Shall we for the sake of peace between Finland and
Sweden assume that Hollywood for the first time in history
has made something correctly? ;-))) However, the original
of the "mother godess statuette" the man-eaters had in the
film was found in Sweden :-(
V.
Johan M. Olofsson
>Cheers,
>Jalonen,
>who's off to bite a Dane
A good Dane, we hope!
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Johan M. Olofsson
Rådmansgatan 23 f
211 46 Malmö
Sweden
Hugh Watkins
>On 25 apr 2001, Jussi Jalonen wrote in soc.culture.nordic:
>
>>Cheers,
>>Jalonen,
>>who's off to bite a Dane
>
>
>A good Dane, we hope!
no a great Dane
Dog eats dog
Hugh W
Jussi Jalonen
says...
>A good Dane, we hope!
Is there any other kind? <G>
Cheers,
Jalonen
unglued
>In article <Xns908E9D113A...@195.58.103.121>, Johan M. Olofsson
>says...
>
>>A good Dane, we hope!
>
>Is there any other kind? <G>
Depends on whether you like smoked meat or not but the pastries and beer
certainly make for a juicy bite
>
>
>Cheers,
>Jalonen
>
Sessa
> Herodotus (?) wrote nothing about any Nordics, but taking into account the
> national dishes in the Nordic countries...
> If he had ever tasted surströmming, lutfisk, lipeäkala, etc, I could
> understand very well that he could have thought that even cannibalism is
> better. Anyway, kalakukko, lörtsy and Lemin särä are very tasty... And I
> guess the must be some national delicacies in the other Nordic countries,
> too...
What is lipeäkala anyway to be that detested? If mämmi is the same as memma it
is sold in Sweden for Easter, destined to the Finnish diaspora. I didn't find it
that horrible when I tried it.
As a child I was taught to drink drickablandning, sweet small beer and milk, but
it is disappearing I believe. In my parts in the south all food is accompanied
by lingonberry jam, be it steak or fried fish. Old people have it as dessert
too, some lingonberry jam in a glass of milk. In Scania for S:t Martins eve
10:th of November the tradition says to eat goose, accompanied by svartsoppa,
soup with goose blood.
The Norwegians are very quiet, I have vivid memories from my student neighbours
and their sheep in cabbage. Speaking of students their standard food in Sweden
is rice and ketchup or canned beans, not to speak about instant noodles.
I rather like a dessert from the west coast, äggost, made out of sour milk,
sugar and eggs, heated and liquid separated through a filter. In Scania to big
events one orders a spettekaka to be made out of eggs and sugar as a tower until
a meter's hight or more. Then one tries to cut out most parts possible without
ruining the tower.
Sessa
HWM
> Speaking of students their standard food in Sweden
> is rice and ketchup or canned beans, not to speak about instant noodles.
It used to be canned tuna fish, boiled macaroni and knäckebröd (and
beer) when I was studying in the mid 1990's. You could get for say 20mk
a week's ration of the stuff but it really started to come out of the
ears after a few months. Seems to have switched somewhat as tuna is no
longer cheap.
Instant nodles (gronk) keep me well-chillied at work if I need to do a
late shift.
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Erik A. Mattila
Sessa wrote:Speaking of students their standard food in Sweden
is rice and ketchup or canned beans, not to speak about instant noodles.
It used to be canned tuna fish, boiled macaroni and knäckebröd (and
beer) when I was studying in the mid 1990's. You could get for say 20mk
a week's ration of the stuff but it really started to come out of the
ears after a few months. Seems to have switched somewhat as tuna is no
longer cheap.
Now it's called 'calimari' and costs quite a bit. Progress!
Erik
HWM
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Uhhh, new Mackintosh I see. You're sending off html-code with that
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Erik A. Mattila
> "Erik A. Mattila" wrote:
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> Uhhh, new Mackintosh I see. You're sending off html-code with that
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By golly, you've been doing your homework. No, no new Mac - just a
Sonnet G4 upgrade card. After installagiot, Netscape 4.8 wouldn't run,
so I downloaded v. 6, which sucks big time. I'll try to remember to
turn-off html.
Erik
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Niklas Tötterman
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>By golly, you've been doing your homework. No, no new Mac - just a
>Sonnet G4 upgrade card. After installagiot, Netscape 4.8 wouldn't run,
>so I downloaded v. 6, which sucks big time.
It does. Pity, as the new UI is quite nifty. You could try Mozilla,
which is essentially the same browser but is updated more often
and contains less bugs.
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lustig
> Squid Jerky
Which sounds interesting...
BTW I recently purchased a package of frozen reindeer jerky,
which turned out to contain farmed red deer meat from New
Zealand.
Lustig
Erik A. Mattila
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>> Squid Jerky
>
>
> Which sounds interesting...
I liked it -- use to carry it around in my jacket pocket all the time.
But after a while I notice people tended to avoid coming to near me :-)
>
> BTW I recently purchased a package of frozen reindeer jerky,
> which turned out to contain farmed red deer meat from New
> Zealand.
No kidding. Is there an indigeneous deer to NZ? Some years ago here in
the US the only source of elk hide was from elk farms in Australia. The
leather craft people couldn't get it in California, because the power
compan (PG&E) was buying up all the lots to make linesman gloves.
Erik
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> Lustig
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Erik A. Mattila
> On Wed, 02 May 2001 15:44:25 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
> <emat...@oco.net> wrote:
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>
>> By golly, you've been doing your homework. No, no new Mac - just a
>> Sonnet G4 upgrade card. After installagiot, Netscape 4.8 wouldn't run,
>> so I downloaded v. 6, which sucks big time.
>
That's not a bad idea. I do use IE 5 for shockwave sites, which is
pretty good, but I feel like a traitor in Bill Gates' pocket.
Erik
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