May God forgive the Savage Exeter!
utyondukaa ikper
----- Original Message -----From: Yakubu Tor-AgbidyeSent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 2:05 AMTo: The Exeter; uik...@msn.comCc: igbo...@lists.cc.utexas.edu; asa...@primus.com.au; ota...@yahoo.com; naij...@yahoogroups.com; riv...@siue.eduSubject: Re: May God forgive the Savage Exeter!Miserable Exeter,
I think the only reasons why you are refusing to
identify yourself are: 1. You may be illegally living
somewhere here in the US. 2. You may have killed a
man in Lagos, or Aba or Enugu or Onitsa and stolen his
passport that are currently using, hence your refusal
to identify yourself. What is your true identity, Mr.
Exeter Umean? 3. If the above reasons are not true,
then you were definately born out of wedlock, and was
cast away as an Ogbanje or is it Osu, hence you do not
know what to call yourself. But if you are a real
person, with a real name, please reveal yourself!
The more I read from you, the more I am convinced that
you are an irrate illitrate from the bush, because, go
back and read all my dialogues with you, there is no
where you will see that I am attacking the Igbo as a
race. This is because I have many good Igbo friends,
and have never experienced this level of primitiy from
any of them as you have exhibited in your write ups.
In fact, I showed one of my friends, Chuks your
writing and he said "Yakubu please forget that Jackal,
he doesn't know what he is talking about." I reminded
him that, seriously, if there is anything that I am
missing, that the Tiv people really participated in
killing the Igbos, and the Igbos have an archive
somewhere, then he should please let me know. Again
he repeated that, "that Jackal does not know what he
is talking about." It therefore begs the question,
are really an Igbo man or you are just so primitive
that you do not know what you are talking about as my
friend Chuks suggested?
I am also further convinced of your primitivity,
ignorance and illitracy, because, you do not know even
know the elementary level of Nigerian geopolitics. If
you knew, you would never have said Gowon was a Tiv
man and that the Tiv killed the Igbos. I have asked
you to point me to that webpage that has that
documentary as you claim, but either you were only
hallucinating after snuffing that thing or you are
just day-dreaming, hence you 've failed to post that
url for me to visit the web as to see things for
myself.
I therefore, take it you are nothing, but as useless
as the rain that falls in the forest, that is only
good for breeding mosquitoes that turn around to bite
people. Or it is even better to refer to you as "an
article of no commercial value", lier, forger, credit
card scammer, and above all, an irrate bushman!
Again, the more I read from you, the more I am further
convinced that you are not only a dealer in some
unidentified substances, but you are partaker of it
yourself. For example, you do not even understand the
difference between a communicator and a receiver. You
go and use Igbo words when communicating to me,
proving to me that you illitracy prohibits you from
making that distinction when communicating with a non
Igbo! I feel so sorry for you. If I use words in my
language to you now, and you do not understand, would
I consider that communication or what good will that
do me to me? Please, go back and take Communication
101, if you have the ability to understand simple
communication principles and pass that class, then I
believe you will learn a lot. No matter how old you
are, old age must not become a hinderance to making
you become a more learned and enlightened person.
In your write up, you mentioned my mother - what a
shame, I can never stoop or condescend that low to
your undiginfied standard and say anything about your
mother. You again mentioned something about my wife -
again, how do you even know that I have a wife?
Again, exposing your ignorance at the highest level to
your total shame. Above all, you are not even ashamed
to to be copying this discussion to Naijnet and other
people. You do not even have an idea of how that
Naijanet came into existence. I believe at the time I
and other Nigerians voted to create a Naijanet, back
in the early 90s, you were still struggling to smuggle
yourself out Nigeria and come to US. Go and check on
the history of Naijanet or ask anybody else who has
been around for while to tell you.
So, again, I have no problem with the Igbo as a race,
my problem is with you as a "rotten jackal" with
rounded pot belly like you are suffering from
kwasiokor. I think it will do you good if you can
just snuff you powdered tobaco along with the other
identified substance that you are currently making a
living out of, and hide quietly where you are, to
avoid a knock on your door from the appropriate
authorities.
To show you that only primitive people fail to
eloquently communicate, I will not even use one single
word that you do not understand, because I want you to
clearly understand and get my message. But if your
ignorance prohibits you from writing straight English,
such that you must use Igbo words, then I will advice
you to go back and take some remedial courses in
English. This will help you write exclusively in
English, so that you can effectively communicate with
non Igbo people too.
BTW, do you even know the meaning of "Dan gwuru gwu"?
In the first place, the right spelling is 'dan gurugu'
furhtermore, let me again take some few minutes to
eductae this illitrate here. 'Dan gurugu' is a term
used to refer to a crippled person, it is not an
insult as you you may be applying it. It is a
description of the physical condition of a disabled
person. Therefore, only illitrates like you, who have
never seen somebody, nor known their physical
condition can refer to them as "Dan gurugu".
Exeter, how far can you dislay your ignorance and copy
it for the rest of the world to see! I am ashamed of
this fellow Naija man especially at the level of his
ignorance! Please use words you know their meanings
you illitrate! I think, above all, you are not worthy
for me or anybody to waste his time with. Because I
believe you must be suffering from some psychiatric
problems that only a camel's urine can save your life.
You don't you go go and drink that camel urine and
come back with a stinky breath to help you feel
better?
Yakubu
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--- The Exeter <exe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yakubu "Jack Gowon" Tor-Tiv Agbidye, "p"HD:
>
> May you and the Tiv race be cursed for your cruelty
> against the Igbos. Even
> before the independence of Nigeria, the savage Tivs
> (a minority tribesmen
> for that matter) have made it a point to murder lots
> of Igbos living in
> their midst. First was 1957, 1960, 1966, 1967. Can
> you deny it? Yet, a
> savage animal of your type, you are crying that the
> Hausa-Fulani are killing
> you. You and your hordes of Tivs bastards can go to
> hell.
> The point is that the Tivs in Nigeria today are
> cornered and they have no
> escape from what is coming to them. From the North,
> they are not Arewa and
> the Hausa-Fulani certainly do not want them. To the
> South is the powerful
> Igbos who are still nursing their wounds from the
> many Igbos who were
> butchered by the Tivs and their heads thrown back
> into the train. The Tivs
> cannot find safety in Igboland, and they are better
> warned not to cross the
> Benue in their flight from the Hausa-Fulani. The
> Igbos have a very long
> memory and they can be very ruthless in vengeance.
> So where does this leave the Tivs? They are alone
> and empty, and may hell
> befell them as they did to the others. As for you
> Yakubu
> "Jack Gowon" Tor-Tiv Agbidye,"p"HD, you are a son of
> bastard, a bloody
> savage claiming to be "educated." Your mother is a
> Tiv prostitute who gave
> birth to a Hausa cattle rearer. Look at your last
> name? The Tivs have bitten
> more than they can chew in Nigeria, they are going
> to be squashed between
> the mighty Hausa-Fulani from the North, and the
> unforgiving Igbos from the
> South. Yakubu "jack-ass" Gowon-Agbidye, "p"HD, you
> are known as a pedophile
> and credit card scammer, when was the last time you
> left jail? What do you
> do for a living? The last time i checked, wasn't
> your ugly wife a "pouch"
> drug courier?" Bloody "Dan gwuru gwu" like you, when
> the shots start firing,
> may it strike you first in the forehead May you and
> your savage tribe be
> cursed for all the Igbos that you murdered in cold
> blood.
> Umeam.
>
> >From: Yakubu Tor-Agbidye <tor...@yahoo.com>
> >To: The Exeter <exe...@hotmail.com>,
> uik...@msn.com, mal...@scs.howard.edu
> >CC: igbo...@lists.cc.utexas.edu
> >Subject: Re: May God forgive Maluko!
> >Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:25:40 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >The Exerter, (Fatehrless son of Dog) do you have a
> >real name? Untill you reveal your identity, I take
> it
> >that you are vagabond with no father. And I think
> >it's beneath my dignity and prestige to talking to
> a
> >senseles, fatherless son of a dog like you. In the
> >first place, I doubt it so much, if you know what
> you
> >are talking about, point me that web address, so
> that
> >I can see the document you are referring to. You
> >don't even have respect for yourself to call me
> "Jack
> >Gowon", and refer to Gowon as Tiv man. Shameful
> >senseless mad man, let me educate you a bit here,
> >Gowon came from a tribe known as Angas around Jos
> >Plateau State , I am Tiv man from Taraba State. Go
> >back to elementary school and study your Nigerian
> >Geography and History then you will realize that
> you
> >are nothing but an idiotic illitrate.
> >
> >I can see that you are copying the Igbo net at
> >University of Texas,
> (igbo...@lists.cc.utexas.edu).
> >Son of a b----, you better be carefully before that
> >Institution sues you with your evil and adulterated
> >language. I see nothing good out of you. But, I
> can
> >assure you that I have never cried uncle, and I had
> >promised myself over 30 years ago, that I will
> never
> >cry uncle. Thus, when I am faced with a challenge
> >from a mad dog of your type, I deal with it
> squarely
> >by myself, so you can copy anybody you want, but
> this
> >son of Tor-Agbidye, will deal with you squarely by
> >himself.
> >
> >Do not worry and get depressed and yell about my
> PhD,
> >and MBA, I legitimately got them in this country, I
> do
> >not know to forge documents, they are legitimate! I
> >just wanted to to tell you that I am a real person.
> >Not an irrate and illitrate like you, because of
> the
> >way you talk and reason, I am convinced that you
> are
> >still an illitrate person. An educated person will
> >not talk and reason like this male yahoo person,
> >Exerter.
> >
> >So again, if you have a real name, let me know you.
> >Otherwise, I will forever consider you as son of
> >fatherless bastard. This is the time you will know
> >that this Tiv man does not fear anything human, but
> >God. Let me hear more of your verminous,
> scurrilous,
> >obscene, profane & foul langauge and I will reply
> you
> >accordingly.
> >
> >Yakubu son of Tor-Agbidye (100% Tiv man).
> >================================
> >--- The Exeter <exe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yakubu "Jack Gowon" Tor-Tiv-Agbdiye,"p"HD,
> > >
> > > Savage-looking Tiv bastard, So you got your
> "pH.D"
> > > before your MBA?
> > > BTW, in what course did you get this your
> > > adulterated "p"HD"?
> > > Do you have slashes over your face that marks
> you as
> > > a murderous Tiv
> > > savage? Do you have a father, or were you born
> by a
> > > Hausa-Fulani who have
> > > now risen to take back their land from you. You
> > > sojourned from the Northern
> > > part of Lake Chad and came and settled in the
> > > current Benue area. Now the
> > > native Hausa-Fulani have arisen to send you back
> > > to where you came from and you are whining. This
> is
> > > still your morning, and
> > > until the Hausa-Fulani finish with you, then and
> > > only then!! Yakubu
> > > "Jack-Gowon" Tor-Tiv Agbidye," you are a bloody
> Tiv
> > > bastard. And this is a
> > > heritage from your parents and all that is your
> > > race! Go and sit down with
> > > this your nonsense adulterated "p"H.D. Why don't
> you
> > > go back to the
> > > so-called Tivland (if it in fact exists) and
> tell
> > > them that you have a
> > > bloody "p"H.D; the Hausa-Fulanis who are the
> real
> > > owners of the place will
> > > deal with you and your bloody useless degree.
> > > Anu ofia nwuru anwu. It is a mistake when the
> > > Hausa-Fulani are blamed for
> > > the 1966 pogroms, history and evidence has shown
> > > that it was the Tivs (their
> > > soldiers and civilians) who perpetrated the
> henious
> > > pogroms against the
> > > Igbos. The judgement of the Tivs awaits the
> > > unfolding of history. The list
> > > of Tiv atrocities against the Igbos has
> variously
> > > been posted on this net
> > > and it is well recorded for history. This is a
> > > permanent record of shame and
> > > cowardice that we must use to confront the
> bloody
> > > Yakubu Tor-Tiv Agbidye's
> > > of this world. Yakubu, when the first shots are
> > > fired, may it strike you
> > > right on the forehead You blood-soaked Tiv
> savage.
> > > Dan gwuru gwu!!
> > > Umeam.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Yakubu Tor-Agbidye <tor...@yahoo.com>
> > > >To: The Exeter <exe...@hotmail.com>,
> > > uik...@msn.com
> > > >CC: igbo...@lists.cc.utexas.edu
>
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Yakubu Tor-Agbidye
"A person without a vision has no future, and a person without a future will always return to the past" Unknown
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Mobolaji E. Aluko
Mr. Ikper:
First, let me warn you not to play into the hands of some Nigerians like
Exeter who wish Nigeria to disintegrate by DELIBERATELY causing so much
REAL or IMAGINED disaffection among our people that they will just simply
decide that the enterprise called Nigeria will not be possible, and hence
we should walk away from it. Every attempt at amity among the people is
seen as negating that aim, and hence they pull people back from it by
throwing another grenade of accusation among the people.
So I warn you against projecting TOO MUCH Exeter's opinion as OPINION
among majority of Igbos against Tivs. To expect SOME IGBO LEADER to come
and denounce Exeter presumes that you know who that Igbo leader is: if
someone, any one, comes to denounce him, would that satisfy you?
And I can bet that you will find one, but then the question would be:
would he satisfy your description as an Igbo leader?
The Igbos are also VERY sensitive to being called "Saboteur" (as during
the war) or "efulefu" Igbo (the new language of the Neo-Biafran Internet
matadors like Exeter and Otasco Otanda who never use their real names),
and at best many will just keep quiet. ANd of course, it may also be that
they GENUINELY feel that the Tivs did play a vital part in their massacre.
That is point number 1.
Point Number 2 is the following: IS THIS REALLY THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU
HAD HEARD THAT TIVS KILLED IGBOS IN NIGERIA? If this is your very first
time, and hence are acting so surprised, then I am wondering where you
have been all of these years! The fact of the matter is that most - well
let us say many - Nigerians believe that if you are from the Middle-Belt,
and not from Kwara or Kogi, then you must be either Hausa or Tiv, period.
Despite all the years of information, I can assure you that most Nigerians
believe that Gowon is Tiv, Danjuma is Tiv, Dan Suleiman is Tiv, and 95% of
Nigeria's army is Tiv - or at least 95% of Northern soldiers! So why
should it surprise you so much that any calumny against Northern soldiers
are laid at the doorsteps of Tiv?
These are some of the myths that should be broken by quiet education, not
by too much screaming.
Point Number 3: despite Exeter's hints, I DO NOT HAVE ANY INFORMATION in
my archives as to who massacred the Igbos during the 1966 pogroms, and
especially on their home-bound journeys. There is nothing in my archives
that definitively says that they were Hausas or Tivs or Angas or Biroms or
Jukuns, etc. But I KNOW WHO DID NOT CARRY OUT THE PROGROMS:
(i) not the Igbos or Easterners, because they would not be killing
themselves and each other;
(ii) not the Midwesterners, because they themselves were victims, and
in case, did not have the numbers in the area to inflict the
murders;
(iii) not the Westerners, first because they did not also have the
numbers in the area to inflict the murders, and where they had the
numbers (in their Western region), they did not inflict the
murders.
Therefore, since there were only four regions at that time, that leaves
ONLY the Northerners, who inflicted the pain - and that include people of
Hausa, Fulani, Tiv, Birom, Angas, Jukun and other extraction.
You cannot deny that: some Tivs must have taken part in the killing of
Igbos.
Let us face it: it does not mean that the leadership of each of these
groups got together and said "Let us kill off all the Igbos", but it is
INESCAPABLE that members of these groups participated mainly in this
carnage - or at best did not do enough to prevent the carnage. At least,
I have not heard of any MAJOR resistance by the Tivs AGAINST the killing
of Igbos in 1966: have you?
So the VERY best that you, as a Tiv, can state is that there is no proof
that the Tivs either EXCLUSIVELY or even PRIMARILY did anything untoward
towards the Igbos, and the exclusive or primary blame should therefore not
be placed at the doorsteps of the Tivs.
Look, it is the same dilemna that my own people the Yoruba face in
Nigeria. Since 1993, I have dealth with many different kinds of
Nigerians, and NEVER in my life have I found the kinds of accusations -
some truly wild - that have been levelled.
Of course, the Igbo charges are well known - and start and end with the
Yoruba "modern god" Awolowo: how he introduced tribalism in Nigeria, how
he tricked Biafra into seceding without causing the Yoruba to secede, how
he used starvation as a weapon of war, his 20 pounds and banning of
oporoko, his indigenization decree. Awo's failings are heaped on all of
the Yoruba by many Igbos.
But during the pro-democracy movement, I also was surprised at the angst
of the Middle-belters, and the Tivs in particular, against the Yoruba. It
stemmed from the charge that the Yoruba - again Awolowo - abandoned the
Middle-Belt in its search for Independence from Hausa-Fulani hegemony, and
that he did not support Joseph Tarka fully enough when Tarka - a mini-god
among the Tiv - was humiliated from Gowon's cabinet! [Yakubu Tor-Agbidye
and Mku Ityokumbul, two Tivs who I have had some interaction with, know
what I am talking about. I have similar interactions with others.]
As if Awolowo - aka the Yoruba "mini-god" - was this all powerful man,
who could do and undo!
Or I found myself in the midst of some Akwa-Ibomites once, in an Internet
discussion, strongly denouncing the Yoruba AGAIN from abandoning the
minority search for self-assertion, but with the additional charge that it
was Minority oil that was used to fund Yoruba free education! Hen, I
said: when Oloibiri was discovered in 1959, and oil did not become a
major item in Nigerian politics until the 1967-1970 axis, how could it
have funded Yoruba free education of back in 1953 to 1960-ish?
Urhobo nko? It again starts with Awo: that he favored the Itsekiri in
Warri, and hence cause the title of "Olu of Itsekiri" to become "Olu of
Warri", with all of its attendant problems! Aha! Na wetin? Of course,
this may be true, but why take it out on the Yoruba?
I just could not believe some of the myths bandying around as truths - or
the willingness to extend the real or imagined sins of one man on all of
his people.
My whole point is this, Mr. Ikper: many Nigerians have MANY angsts
against many other Nigerians. Some of them are real, others are imagined.
Some real ones are exaggerated. Some angsts are not even told to you
until some unusual event occurs, then you say, "Ehn, you mean that you
have been carrying this around all of this time?"
That is why we need a STRUCTURED way to talk through all of our problems,
so that we do not carry them from generation to generation, and
perpetually ruin our nation.
That is why we need a Sovereign National Conference to genuinely talk
through our pains.
There are MANY Exeters out there, among all the ethnic groups in Nigeria.
You may convince THIS PARTICULAR Exeter, but what about ALL the other
Exeters that exist elsewhere? Exeter is a paradigm of the Nigerian
situation, of unassuaged frustrations, unexploded myths, bottled anger,
unfulfilled promises - but if channelled in proper directions, of
unimaginable vitality and unmatchable promise.
That is our challenge - to move the Exeters of Nigeria from Point A to
Point B. This cannot be done by screaming at each other.
Best wishes.
Bolaji Aluko
PS: To see an example of discussions about Awo that I had with several
Igbo compatriots, please read through:
Let's Talk about Awo Parts One, Two and Three (ON NigeriaWorld Forum)
http://www.nigeriaworld.com/board/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000613
http://www.nigeriaworld.com/board/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000630
http://www.nigeriaworld.com/board/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000643
> Yakubu,
>
> > may it strike you first in the forehead. May you and
> > > > right on the forehead. You blood-soaked Tiv
> > savage.
> > > > Dan gwuru gwu!!
> > > > Umeam.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Yakubu Tor-Agbidye <tor...@yahoo.com>
> > > > >To: The Exeter <exe...@hotmail.com>,
> > > > uik...@msn.com
> > > > >CC: igbo...@lists.cc.utexas.edu
> >
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>
>
> =====
> Yakubu Tor-Agbidye
> "A person without a vision has no future, and a person without a future will always return to the past" Unknown.
otasco otanda
not the Midwesterners, because they themselves were
victims, and in case, did not have the numbers in the
because they did not also have the numbers in the area
to inflict the murders, and where they had the numbers
(in their Western region), they did not inflict the
Mobolaji E. Aluko:
Although the pogroms against the Igbos occured mainly
in northern nigeria, Igbos were also massacred in
western and midwestern regions by the various peoples
of these regions who are non-Igbos. There are several
texts that documented these. Read Wole Soyinka's "The
Man Died", or Dan Jacob's "The Brutality of Nations",
for example.
One thing we all have to agree here is that over the
years, no other ethnic group in that accursed country
nigeria, has been so much so viciously massacred in
cold blood as the Igbo race. The pathern should be
worrisom to anyone who is fair-minded and who still
believes in the sanctity of life and human rights.
-K.O.
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:01:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Mobolaji E. Aluko" <mal...@scs.howard.edu>
Mr. Ikper:
Best wishes.
Bolaji Aluko
> Yakubu,
>
saying..
> herself with Mr.. Exeter, because in Nigeria everyone
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in cold blood (on several occasions) or not? If you did, don't you think
that, as one who 'is in His perpetual service', this is a good opportunity
to show some penitence instead of this "this Exeter guy is insane"
stonewall?
Personally, I think that the easy tendency of Nigerians north of the
Niger-Benue confluence to kill wantonly is reprehensible and every Nigerian
from that region with a decent bone in their body should dissociate
himself/herself from that wanton savagery and render apologies on the behalf
of their savage and misguided brethren.
It is really very revealing when you write:
"He fails to understand that Tiv people back home have access to what we
publish here, and that if they begin to conceive the Ibos as part of their
problem by the insensitivity of characters like Exeter, especially during
this time of tribulation, that things might not bode well for the Ibos - God
forbid."
My friend, this is ignorant, misguided arrogant, and arrant nonsense. I am
sure that Tiv people also live among the Igbo. It seems to me the difference
between your people and the Igbo is that the Igbo is not as easily taken up
with wanton human slaughter as yours.
I say this not being Igbo nor a particular admirer of 'Exeter' or the
Otascos of the world.
Res ipso est (a thing is what it is). We must begin the reconstruction of
Nigeria here.
Stevek
Mukhtar must be tried!
Yakubu,
In His perpetual service!
Utyondukaa Ikper (cba)
> may it strike you first in the forehead. May you and
> > > right on the forehead. You blood-soaked Tiv
> savage.
> > > Dan gwuru gwu!!
> > > Umeam.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Yakubu Tor-Agbidye <tor...@yahoo.com>
> > > >To: The Exeter <exe...@hotmail.com>,
> > > uik...@msn.com
> > > >CC: igbo...@lists.cc.utexas.edu
>
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always return to the past" Unknown.
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Yakubu Tor-Agbidye
It's amazing to to me to see such a write up for the
first time for the 40+ years of my sojourn on this
earth! I have a lot of Ibo friends, but non has ever
mentioned anything like this to me. Since Exeter
brought this to my attention, I have been asking him
to please prove his case, and give me or show me where
the archives are so that I can go and read for myself.
First, he told me that Bolaji has the documentary.
Bolaji has since dennied.
However, he keeps on saying this over and over without
any documentary support/prove. He produced something
written by Dr. David West which had enumerated the
cities that killed the Igbos, but none of the Tiv city
was mentioned in that text. So how can we, the Tiv
people just accept that which is not true and has not
been proven? Isn't true that, the burden of prove is
always on the accuser, but not the accused? How do I
wake up and accuse someone of doing something and I
have no prove, and yet, expect the person to admit?
Right now, soldiers are killing the Tiv people in
Benue and Taraba States, as ordered by the Nigerian
democratic government of Obasanjo under his Defence
Minister Danjuma. So far over 1,000 Tiv people have
been killed by the Nigerian soldiers for the alledged
killing of 16 soldiers. Should I just accuse one
ethnic tribe of being responsible? Thus, as far as
Exeter has not produced any document to support his
claim, I believe he does not know what he is talking
about. I think his knowledge of the geopolitical
composition of Nigeria is so shalow that he is
mistaken the Tiv for another ethnic group.
Above all, I personally do not take his views to be a
representative opinion of all Igbos. I take it as the
views of one insane individual, called Exeter whose
true identity the world is yet to know.
Yakubu
============================
otasco otanda
evidence date back many decades ago, but we certainly
have not witnessed anything like that happening in the
recent times. We hope the Tivs will continue with
this peace towards the Igbos.
-K.O.
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:26:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Yakubu Tor-Agbidye" <tor...@yahoo.com>
Yakubu
============================
The Exeter
Yakubu "Jack Gowon" Tor-Tiv Agbidye"
You lie through your nose. You can please yourself as you want. In that list
by Dr. West, the first and number one city that butchered Igbos is noted as
Jos. Is Jos not a Tiv city, or have you become confused now that the
Hausa-Fulani are rightfully claiming it back? Anybody who is a Nigerian and
who does not know the orgy of massacre that Tivs have visited on innocent
Igbos living among them is as evil as the Tivs themselves.
During the pogroms, innocent and hapless Igbos who were running back to
the East from the massacre of the Hausa-Fulani were waylayed at the Makurdi
brigde and slaughtered. Many of their heads were cut off and thrown back
onto the trains for onward transportation to the East. Many Tivs, hunted
down Igbos who lived in Jos and the environs and slaughtered them in the
most horrible of abominations. We make a big mistake when we blame the
Hausa-Fulani solely for the 1966 pogroms against the Igbos, the Tivs
master-minded it and were the most vociferous in its prosecution.
These facts are not hidden and you only need to go to your library and
read many of the books on the July 1966 coup and the civil war to acquaint
yourself of your guilt. Also I can tell you that much of these information
are in Aluko's archives, he is only being dilpomatic about it to avoid
further inflaming the issue. But as long as the savage Tivs continue to deny
the impossible, then we will stay on this isssue until we bring you to your
knees and to justice. Dan gwuru gwu!
Umeam.
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Yakubu Tor-Agbidye
This is why I told you that you are the most primitive
fool, and the most ignorant Nigerian I have ever
known. Please go back to elementary school and learn
your Nigerian geography. You will find out that Jos
is not a Tiv city. Jos is a Birom city sorounded by
Angas from Pankshin and several other tribes, that are
not Tiv at all. No wonder you had said gowon was a
tiv, whereas he is an Angas from Pankshin. I bet, you
have not even heard about all these tribes before.
In additional, the city of Jos itself has a large
population of Hausa/Fualni who settled there after the
Jihad. The Hausa/Fulani community there today claim
that, they founded the city sometimes in 1800s.
According to them, the sorrounding Birom natives moved
in later. Jos is almost 200 miles away from the
nearest Tiv city. Have you had enough education yet?
I am just trying to help this my miserable fellow
Nigerian! Oh God, but why am I wasting time on this
insane guy, when the soldiers are killing my Tiv
people. Umean, do not shed tiers for me and my Tiv
people, we shall overcome this one and come out of it
strong!
Please do not continue to disgrace your self in the
public like this. If you really want to know about
Nigerian geopolitical composition contact Dr. David
West, I am sure he will put you through very well.
Again, do not expose your ignorance anymore. I said
earlier that your problem is that your knowledge of
Nigerian history and geography is too shallow to
enable you talk intelligently, so go and learn before
you come back to this discussion table. Take a few
minutes right now and ask any knowledgeable Nigerian
around you, he/she will tell you that Jos is not a Tiv
city.
Please relax and learn, you will be a better off
person if you take your time to learn. I want to
learn that is why I am asking you to produce the
document. Maybe Otasco can help you, ask him.
However, if you are sincerely convinced that the Tiv
killed Igbos, please provide those documents. And BTW,
why is it that the said document even though is an
Igbo document, it's kept by Bolaji who is Yoruba? He
has since said he does not have any document like
that, and you keep on saying he has. Who should I
believe? I do not think I will believe you, thus, the
burden of proof is on you, not on Bolaji.
Please, Umean, either produce the document or forever
shut up!
Yakubu
=====================================================
--- The Exeter <exe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
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=====
Yakubu Tor-Agbidye
"A person without a vision has no future, and a person without a future will always return to the past" Unknown.
__________________________________________________
Mobolaji E. Aluko
Yakubu:
What Otasco Otanda and Exeter (who is from Arochukwu?) do not even know is
that the Jukun and the Arochuku Igbo are known to be related!
Okwu agu!
Bolaji Aluko
otasco otanda
There is nothing like "Arochuku Igbo." Quit making a
fool of yourself.
-K.O.
=== message truncated ===
Adey Oyenuga
Arochuku Igbo is approximately 1000 miles South-East of Ijebu Igbo.
Just ask my brother, Ndugu Imeh Inyang.
FYI, "Arochuku District was constituted in 1902 after the Arochuku
expedition. In 1914 Arochuku became a sub-district under the Ikot
Ekpene Division, and in 1959 it formed part of Bende Division in
Umuahia Province." [NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF NIGERIA BY U. O. A. ESSE]
Adey Oyenuga.
otasco otanda
including the one you noted below. You will never
find anything like that. You can find "Ika Igbo",
"Igbo Akiri", "Akwa Ibo(m)", but never "Arochuku
Igbo." There are no people called "Arochuku Igbo".
Period. Go to Arochukwu and tell them that they are
"Arochukwu Igbo", and get soaked with brickbath for
being dangerously insane.
-K.O.
riyizoba
I wish we have a lot of people that think like you in Nigeria. If we have
people like you running the government in Nigeria, we wont be having all
these problems. You are a gentleman and a scholar!
Reggie.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven S. Kueberuwa <stev...@yahoo.com>
To: utyondukaa ikper <uik...@msn.com>; Yakubu Tor-Agbidye
<tor...@yahoo.com>; The Exeter <exe...@hotmail.com>; Mobolaji E. Aluko
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Date: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Naijanet] Re: May God forgive the Savage Exeter!
>Cc: igbo...@lists.cc.utexas.edu; asa...@primus.com.au; ota...@yahoo.com;
>naij...@yahoogroups.com; riv...@siue.edu
>Subject: [Naijanet] Re: May God forgive the Savage Exeter!
>
>Yakubu,
>
>This guy needs some serious help. I think what he is trying to do is
>antagonize Tiv people against the Ibos that live among the Tiv. He does not
>care, he lives here in the US but is trying to incite violence against his
>people back home. I bet you one of his relatives lives in the Tiv area
where
>the Ibos have lived unmolested pre- and post-civil war periods.
>
>He fails to understand that Tiv people back home have access to what we
>publish here, and that if they begin to conceive the Ibos as part of their
>problem by the insensitivity of characters like Exeter, especially during
>this time of tribulation, that things might not bode well for the Ibos -
God
>forbid.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Yakubu Tor-Agbidye
>Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 2:05 AM
>To: The Exeter; uik...@msn.com
>Cc: igbo...@lists.cc.utexas.edu; asa...@primus.com.au; ota...@yahoo.com;
>naij...@yahoogroups.com; riv...@siue.edu
>he doesn't know what he is talking about." I reminded
>him that, seriously, if there is anything that I am
>missing, that the Tiv people really participated in
>killing the Igbos, and the Igbos have an archive
>somewhere, then he should please let me know. Again
>he repeated that, "that Jackal does not know what he
>is talking about." It therefore begs the question,
>are really an Igbo man or you are just so primitive
>that you do not know what you are talking about as my
>friend Chuks suggested?
>
>I am also further convinced of your primitivity,
>ignorance and illitracy, because, you do not know even
>know the elementary level of Nigerian geopolitics. If
>you knew, you would never have said Gowon was a Tiv
>man and that the Tiv killed the Igbos. I have asked
>you to point me to that webpage that has that
>documentary as you claim, but either you were only
>hallucinating after snuffing that thing or you are
>just day-dreaming, hence you 've failed to post that
>--- The Exeter <exe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >first place, I doubt it so much, if you know what
>> you
>> >way you talk and reason, I am convinced that you
>> are
>> >still an illitrate person. An educated person will
>> >not talk and reason like this male yahoo person,
>> >Exerter.
>> >
>> >So again, if you have a real name, let me know you.
>> >Otherwise, I will forever consider you as son of
>> >fatherless bastard. This is the time you will know
>> >that this Tiv man does not fear anything human, but
>> >God. Let me hear more of your verminous,
>> scurrilous,
>> >obscene, profane & foul langauge and I will reply
>> you
>> >accordingly.
>> >
>> >Yakubu son of Tor-Agbidye (100% Tiv man).
>> >================================
>> >--- The Exeter <exe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >CC: igbo...@lists.cc.utexas.edu
>>
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Mobolaji E. Aluko
Adey:
I shall continue to tease Otasco Otanda with this surprising discovery,
until I drop the shoe on him.
Bolaji Aluko
QUOTE
Arochukwu town, also spelled Arowchukwu, lies in the south-east corner of
Abia State, due south of Ohafia and along the road from Calabar to
Umuahia.
It has 19 villages and was once the headquarters of the Aro, an Igbo
subgroup that dominated southeastern Nigeria in the 18th and 19th
centuries. Today it is a market centre and the site of a teacher-training
college.
No trip to Arochukwu would be complete without a visit to the cave of the
Oracle of the Long Juju. The shrine is decorated with juju objects and has
a long metal pipe through which the Gods were said to speak. The Long Juju
was said to have divine knowledge and was thought to know everything that
was happening. A chief priest administered the shrine, assisted by agents
who travelled far and wide in disguise, seeking out disputes. Once a
dispute was encuntered, the protagonists were persuaded to consult the
Long Juju. The guilty party was thought to be devoured by the Juju, but in
reality some were smuggled out of a back entrance and sold into slavery.
Although it was destroyed in the colonial days by the British in their
campaigns against the Aro people in 1900-02, it has been restored and the
Long Juju is still respected by some of the local people.
UNQUOTE
Another quote:
QUOTE
The Longjuju of Arochukwu was the most famous of all the oracles in
Igboland. It was the Ibos' greatest oracle whose shrine later became the
court of appeal throughout the Iboland. This made the Aro very important
in Iboland, an importance based on the universal respect of the people of
Eastern Nigeria for the Longjuju, which was said to be "Chukwu" the Ibo
name for the supreme deity.......
Writing about 1905, Frank Rives, a District Commissioner, said, "The Aros
were quite a different racial types from the indigenous inhabitants of the
Ibo country. They were of fine physique, with delicately moulded
extremities and facial features ... the Europeans who came into contact
with this section of the Ibo people , found them so superior in
intelligence , craftiness and diplomacy that only European origin could
account for such traits....."
UNQUOTE
More quote:
QUOTE
The ancestral origin of Igbos remains largely speculative. One school of
thought identifies Igbos from the general area of Onitsha, including Ika
Igbos, with Benin ancestry. Some well-known families in Onitsha, however,
reject this notion, tracing their ancestry instead to the Igala people of
the Middle Belt of Nigeria. Yet another traditional folklore traces Igbos
to the Ogoja and Ekoi people just northeast of Igboland. G.T. Basden, in
his book The Igbos of Southern Nigeria, traces the origin of Igbos to the
Jews, observing the great similarities in their respective cultural
practices. Humphrey Eni of Ujari, in his book The Ujari People of Awka
District (1965), argues that the Igbos of Arochukwu might have associated
with, but not descended from, Jews expelled from Spain by Ferdinand and
Isabella.
UNQUOTE
otasco otanda
"Arochukwu Igbo." People from Arochukwu are called
Aros or Ndi-Aro; they are Igbo, not "Arochukwu Igbo."
Igbos of Arochukwu are not "Arochukwu Igbo"; correct
english, but bad igbo.
-K.O.
Mobolaji E. Aluko
Otasco Otanda and Exeter:
We are getting somewhere: I was writing in English, not Igbo. My
apologies.
Meanwhile: the Jukun connection is fascinating! Heard of it?
Since there have been accusations that it was the Tivs killing Igbos, but
the Jukuns are cousins of the Arochukwu Igbos, and the Jukuns are now
killing Tivs (or each killing the other), some fascinating dynamics are
emanating!
Hmm....the vulture is a patient bird!
Igbo -----> from Benin (MidWest)?
Igbo -----> from Igala (Middle-Belt) ? <--- ?
Igbo -----> from Ekoi and Ogoja (East) ?
Igbo -----> from Jews via Spain (Middle-East/South Europe)?
What town are you from, Otasco Otanda? What town are you from, the
Exeter Umeam himself?
Hmm...
Bolaji Aluko
otasco otanda
are cousins too.
But does "Osogbo Yoruba" or "Akure Yoruba" make any
sense? Likewise, "Arochukwu Igbo" does not make any
sense. People from Arochukwu are Igbo not "Arochukwu
Igbo." There are no people called "Arochukwu Igbo."
You will never find that used anywhere or in any book
except in this thread. You do not know whether I am
nwa Arochukwu.
-K.O.
Mobolaji E. Aluko
Otasco Otanda:
I have not read you this tame for a long time: you seem to know more than
you wish to let on - and where is the Exeter Umeam anyway?
Again we are getting somewhere: If Yoruba and Jukuns are cousins, and
Jukuns and Igbo are cousins, then Yoruba and Igbo are second cousins! So
why should second cousins fight so much?
Bia, from now on, please take it as my own special nomenclature, not
generally accepted: "Arochukwu Igbos" are "Igbos who are from Arochukwu"
- that shorthand saves me three words, hence my usage.
Let us move on for now, second cousin!
Bolaji Aluko
Otasco Otanda: You are nwa Aro, I understand.
Egwu Kalu
Since you want a document as evidence of Tiv people
killing Ndiigbo in 1966 pogrom, should I also demand
same type of evidence from you on the claims that
100 or more Gbeji people were killed by the nigerian
army? Or how about this, "there is no evidence that any
Tiv person was recently killed in Taraba and surrounding
states or else produce such document".
Yakubu, since the british relaxed direct running of nigerian
affairs (i.e they do so now through native fronts), majority of
ethnically motivated massacres of innocent people have
occurred north of Benue/Niger River. It is true that Kano, Kaduna
Zaria etc have had the worst records, but fact remains that
Ndiigbo and other southerners were murdered in their thousands
by the people of middle-belt including the Tiv people in 1966.
Today in the nigerian guardian, Edwin Madunagu (he identifies
himself more with his Efik inlaws than his Igbo origin) has this
to say
Quote: "Nigeria had its first military coup on January 15, 1966. It was a bloody coup, claiming the lives of several political and military leaders, mainly from the North and the West. Maj.-Gen. J.T.U. Aguiyi-Ironsi, the General Officer Commanding the Nigerian Army, became Head of State. In May, mass killings of Igbo residents took place in several cities of the Northern Region. On July 29, a counter-coup took place. It was even bloodier than the January event. The casualties this time were Eastern army officers, mainly Igbos. Lt.-Col. Yakubu Gowon, the Army Chief of Staff under Ironsi, became Head of State. The mass killings of May continued, but after about 45 days, some degree of normalcy was restored. Gowon was so optimistic that the worst had already happened that he hosted a National Constitutional Conference in Lagos. That was about the middle of September 1966. Suddenly it happened: between the end of September and the end of October the worst massacres were carried out in the North. The October massacres "improved upon" the earlier ones in three directions. First, they were not, like the earlier ones confined to the northern North. This time the massacres spread to the Middle Belt. Secondly, armed soldiers were actively involved, in some cases, they led the attacks. Thirdly, this time around, casualties went beyond Igbos, to Southerners in general. Estimates of the casualties of the two-month long slaughter of men, women and children range from 10,000 to 70,000.
Unquote:
If the involvement of Tiv and other middle belters was not true, someone will challenge the above. Lets wait and see.
Egwu Kalu
otasco otanda
"Arochuku Igbo." That is the only conclusion in this
thread.
-K.O.
otasco otanda
ridiculous absolutes like you did below, you are
writing volumes on how much you despise/hate the
Igbos. We know if it had been the Yorubas, your
ethnic, that were massacred instead of the Igbos, you
will never think it reasonable to do as you have done
below. Please stop mocking the Igbo pains, for by
tomorrow, it could be yoruba, your ethnic group, that
are massacred.
BTW, there are many ways of estimating variation, but
surfice it to say that the method you used below is
the most vicious, and hence, very nazi-like.
-K.O.
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:25:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Mobolaji E. Aluko" <mal...@scs.howard.edu>
Egwu Kalu:
Madunagu indeed did write a few things, that I wish to
point out:
(1) " Estimates of the casualties of the two-month
long slaughter of
men,
women and children range from 10,000 to 70,000. "
That an estimate can have a 7-fold variation is an
admission that we do
not know the number of those murdered. It could
actually be as high as
440,000 (7 x 70,000), or as low as 1,400 (10,000/7).
Of course, even
one
would be too many.
(2) "The October massacres "improved upon" the
earlier ones in three
directions. First, they were not, like the earlier
ones confined to
the
northern North. This time the massacres spread to the
Middle Belt.
Secondly, armed soldiers were actively involved, in
some cases, they
led
the attacks. This time [THAT IS OCTOBER 1966] the
massacres spread to
the
Middle Belt."
In short, Madunagu admits that from May to October, no
massacres
occurred
in the Middle-Belt - to kill anywhere from a fraction
of 1,400 to
440,000
Igbos AND other Southerners. Also, "armed soldiers"
became "actively
involved", making it in easy to locate them
geographically but not
ethnically.
(3) However, in an essay that I wrote earlier on
Ethnicity, etc., I
noted
that in the general area of the Middle Belt of
relevance here, we have
this stew pot of ethnic groups:
QUOTE
NORTH-CENTRAL (OR MIDDLE-BELT) ZONE < 163 >
-------------------------------------------
Kogi {7} - Bassa [KADUNA, PLATEAU, NIGER], Bunu,
Ebirra (Igbirra)
[ONDO,
PLATEAU, EDO], Ebu [EDO], Gbedde, Igalla, Ijumu
Kwara {5} - Yoruba [LAGOS, OGUN, OSUN, ONDO, EKITI,
OYO, KOGI], Ogori,
Owe, Oworro, Yagba
Niger {26} - Baruba (Barba), Bassa [..], Baushi, Boko
(Bussawa,
Bargawa),
Buduma [BORNO], Darkarkari [KEBBI], Fulani [..], Gade,
Gurmana,
Gwandara
[KADUNA, PLATEAU], Gwari (Gbari) [KADUNA, PLATEAU],
Hausa [..], Kadara
[KADUNA], Kamaku [Kamukawa) [ KADUNA, KEBBI], Kambari
[KEBBI], Kanuri,
[..], Koro (Kwaro) [KADUNA], Kurama [KADUNA, PLATEAU,
JIGAWA], Laaru
(Larawa), Lopa (Lupa, Lopawa), Nupe, Pongu (Pongu),
Reshe [KEBBI],
Rubu,
Uncinda [KADUNA, SOKOTO, KEBBI], Ura (Ula), Yumu,
Zabara
Benue {10} - Akweya-Yachi, Egede (Igedde), Etolu
(Etilo), Idoma
(TARABA),
Igbo [..], Jukun [ BAUCHI, TARABA, PLATEAU], Tiv
[PLATEAU, TARABA],
Ufia,
Utonkong, Yalla
Plateau, Nassarawa {67} - Afizere, Afo, Alago (Arago),
Amo, Angas
[BAUCHI,
JIGAWA], Ankwei, Bada, Bashiri (Bashirawa), Bassa
[KADUNA, KOGI,
NIGER],
Birom, Bikkos, Buji, Burma (Burmawa) , Bwali, Challa,
Chip, Chokobo,
Doemak (Dumuk), Ebirra (Igbirra) [EKITI, KOGI, EDO],
Eggon, Fyam
(Fyem),
Fyer (Fer), Ganawuri, Gerka (Gerkawa), Goemai, Gusu,
Gwandara
[KADUNA,NIGER], Gwari (Gbari) [KADUNA, NIGER],
Irigwe, Jere (Jare,
Jera,
Jerawa) [BAUCHI], Jidda- Abu, Jukun [BAUCHI, BENUE,
TARABA], Katana,
Kenem (Koenoem), Kulere (Kalere), Kurama [KADUNA,
JIGAWA, NIGER],
Kwalla,
Kwanka (Kwankwa) [BAUCHI], Kwaro, Kwato, Limono
[BAUCHI], Mabo, Mada
[KADUNA], Mama, Mernyang (Meryan), Miango, Miligili
(Migili), Montol,
Munga, (Mupang), Mushere, Mwahavul (Mwaghavul), Ninam
(Ninzo) [KADUNA],
Nokere (Nakere), Nunku [KADUNA], Pai, Pyapun
(Piapung), Rindire
(Rendre),
Ron, Rukuba, Shangawa (Shangau), Shan-Shan, Sikdi,
Sura, Tarok
[TARABA],
Tiv [BENUE, TARABA], Yergan (Yergum), Yuom
Taraba {54} - Babur [BORNO, YOBE, ADAMAWA], Bakulung,
Bali, Bambuku,
Banda
(Bandawa), Bobua, Chamba, Chukkol, Dangsa, Diba,
Fulani (Fulbe) [..],
Gengle, Gomun (Gmun), Gonla, Gwom, Hausa [..], Idoma
[BENUE], Jahuna
(Jahunawa), Jero, Jonjo (Jenjo), Jukun [BAUCHI, BENUE,
PLATEAU], Kaba,
(Kabawa), Kanuri [..], Karimjo, Kenton, Koma, Kona,
Kugama, Kunini,
Kuteb,
Kutin, Kwanchi, Lama, Lamja, Lau, Mbum, Mumuye, Ndoro,
Nyandang,
Panyam,
Pkanzom, Poli, Potopo, Sakbe, Sate, Shomo, Tarok
[PLATEAU], Tikar, Tiv
[
BENUE, PLATEAU], Vommi, Waka, Wurkun, Yandang, Yott
UNQUOTE
My point is the following: is there anywhere where
Madunagu stated
that
of all of these ethnic groups in the "Middle Belt",
the Tiv were
responsible for the killings? They might be partially
responsible, but
since there are over 100 ethnic groups in this
particular relevant,
might
we divide the culpability in some manner among the
ethnic groups
please?
(4) Finally, how do you prove that YOU DID NOT DO
something of this
kind
of magnitude: killing 1,400 to 440,000 people?
Obviously, people were
killed, so someone must have done it. The Tivs are
not disputing that.
Obviously, people were killed in Jos and Makurdi, and
they are both
Middle-Belt towns. But they can NEVER prove that they,
the Tivs, did
not
do it, but it is up to you and others to prove that
they did it - and
most
preferably, that they did it SYSTEMATICALLY, and not
just the odd Tiv
or
two who joined in a murderous orgy.
I think that this the core issue in this
back-and-forth about the Tivs
hitting on the Igbos.
Bolaji Aluko
Yakubu Tor-Agbidye
Not that I think I know something, I sincerely believe
I know something. With all these free intellectual
and factual lectures you are having for free, how can
you dispute that I do not know anything? Kai, my
ignorant friend, wake up!
I am sure you are not even reading very well, thus it
seem to me like you don't even know how to read. Did
you complete High School and pass your WASC before
coming to US? Because in my memo you are refering to
I mentioned Makurdi three (3) times. Please go back
and read it again. 1. I said Makurdi was the HQ of
Benue Province, 2. Makurdi is about 200 miles from Jos
and 3. Makurdi is the nearest Tiv town to Jos. So Mr.
Ignorance, where did I fail to mention Makurdi? I
even went further also educated you more by giving you
the name of Tiv HQ which is Gboko (almost 300 miles
away from Jos from any route you take). Now produce a
document that specifically mentions Makurdi and Gboko
as towns that massacred the Igbos in 1966!
I will forever deny that Jos is a Tiv town, because it
is not. I will also forever deny that Tiv are in
Jos's environment, because they are not. I will also
forever deny that Gowon is a Tiv man because he not,
and I will forever deny that Dr. Johnson Agbinya is a
Tiv man because he not.
So ignorant Exeter, how can you make these types of
blunders in your so called accussation and expect me
to take you seriously? The bottom line is that either
you do not know what you are talking about or you are
confused about the geopolitical compsoition of Nigeria
that you can not make an intellectual argument when it
comes to facts.
I am sorry for you. When are you going to report for
jail term?
Yakubu
===================================================
--- The Exeter <exe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yakubu "Jack Gowon" Tor-Tiv Agbidye;
>
> You really think you know something! As you continue
> to pile your bag of
> tricks, I will continue to expose you. You have been
> hammering away at this
> your Jos nonsense and at the same time putting words
> in my mouth. I stated
> that Tiv savages slaughtered thousands of Igbos in
> "Jos and its environs."
> Why is that not enough for you to think about? Must
> Jos be a Tiv city for
> you to accept culpability for your cowardly act?
> But that is not even the point. The core point
> that I made was that
> Tivs (and there is no dispute in this) stopped the
> Eastern bound trains at
> the Markurdi bridge, dragged out helpless Igbo women
> and children abd
> butchered thousands of them. Some of the bodies were
> thrown into the Benue,
> and the heads were thrown back onto the trains for
> its macabre journey to
> the East. Why have you deliberately avoided
> mentioning "Markurdi," but have
> become infatuated with "Jos?" Are you disclaiming
> Markurdi? Are there no
> Tivs who live in Markurdi?
>
> As I said earlier, you can hide behind, under,
> above, or even on top of
> Aluko's "skirts," you will certainly fail. This
> issue will never go away
> until the Tiv savages are brought to justice. Any
> time you complain about
> your dubious claim that the Jukuns and the federal
> troops are killing the
> Tivs, we will confront you with what you did to the
> Igbos. As of now, you
> have no proof that the federal soldiers killed even
> a single Tiv savage. But
> even if they did (but they did not), what is the
> life of a decrepit Tiv
> savage worth anyway?
> Anu ofia nwuru anwu!
> Umeam.
>
> >From: Yakubu Tor-Agbidye <tor...@yahoo.com>
> >To: The Exeter <exe...@hotmail.com>,
> ota...@yahoo.com, Subject: RE:
> >[Naijanet] Re: May God forgive the Savage Exeter!
> >Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:28:22 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Miserable Exeter,
> >Refusal to be eductaed is very disturbing to me.
> Old
> >age should not become a prevention to further
> educate
> >yourself and unveil your ignorance from your head!
> I
> >am sure you do not want to, forever remain ignorant
> >and continue to disgrace yourself with such an
> >aboundance ignorance as so far exhibited. I am
> sorry,
> >I was only trying to help you!
> >
> >Exeter, can you define environment for me please?
> How
> >can you say Gowon is a Tiv man, not Angas, and then
> >try to convince me that Jos's environment includes
> the
> >the Tiv people? Hey, my ignorant felow Naija, let
> >educate you again for the 3rd time.
> >
> >When you leave Jos city heading south on the
> Federal
> >trunk A road, you will pass Local governments like
> >Keffi, Akwangwa, Nassarawa and Lafia that comprised
> of
> >many many other different tribes and ethnic groups,
> >well over 50 before you reach Makurdi the nearest
> Tiv
> >town. (Please read what Bolaji has written). This
> >journey may take you almost 5 hours, and covering
> >over 200 miles. Is that your definition of an
> >environment?
> >
> >Your next point, about 1966: My ignorant friend,
> >before 1966, there were four major regions in
> Nigeria,
> >The North, The East, The West and The Mid-West.
> The
> >Northern region had its HQ in Kaduna. In the
> Northern
> >region, there were provinces, and the Benue
> province
> >was one of it with its HQ in Makurdi. There was
> also
> >the plateau Province had its HQ in Jos among many
> >other provinces. So tell me where the Tiv people
> of
> >Benue would have been at that time before 1966?
> >
> >OK listen, the only very few number of Tiv people
> that
> >worked with the Northern Regional, were in Kaduna.
> >Those who worked with the Benue Province were in
> >Makurdi and those who worked at the Divisional
> level
> >were at Gboko. The Tiv had no reason whatsoever to
> be
> >in Jos before 1966. Because they were not
> indigenes
> >of Plateau Province. Are you with me so far?
> >
> >However, when states were created in 1967 by Gowon
> who
> >is an Angas from the former Plateau Province, Benue
> >and Plateau provinces were merged to become known
> as
> >Benue Plateau State. The only very few Tivs who
> >worked at regional level and were in Kaduna then
> moved
> >to Jos which was the HQ of Benue Plateau State. I
> say
> >very few because the Tiv people did not support the
> >Nothern People's Congress party (NPC) that had
> control
> >of the the Northern region. Hence they hardly had
> any
> >employment with the regional government. The Tiv
> did
> >not support NPC because, they had their own UMBC
> party
> >headed by J. S. Tarka, just like the Igbos had
> their
> >own NCNC headed by Dr. Azikiwe, and the Yorubas
> with
> >their own Action Group headed by Chief Awolowo.
> Are
> >you educated enough yet?
> >
> >Just keep on reading, you ignorant fool! Thus,
> after
> >the creation of the Benue Plateau State, the few
> Tivs
> >that were at the regional government in Kaduna,
> moved
> >from Kaduna to Jos in 1967, not before 1966!
> >
> >Again, you can ask any Nigerian who knows the
> history
> >of Nigerian political development, and he/she will
> >eductae you, foolish Umean!
> >
> >I said before, you ignorance amazes me, and yet you
> >are refusing to get educated. I am really getting
> >tired of educating you for free. Please send me
> your
> >snail mail address, and I will start sending you
> the
> >bill for all these free hours of lectures, I am
> giving
> >to you. I think I am really wasting my time with
> this
> >primitive person. I shall go no further.
> >
> >Please do not continue to show your ignorance
> anymore!
> >
> >Bye.
> >
> >Yakubu
> >=================================================
> >
> >--- The Exeter <exe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yakubu "Tiv Bastard" Agbidye"
> > >
> > > No, I do not need any education from you, not
> from a
> > > useless Tiv savage. I
> > > am happy that you have agreed that Jos is not a
> Tiv
> > > city, so I guess, that
> > > the Hausa-Fulani will have no problem claiming
> back
> > > what is, in fact, their
> > > rightful property. Second, if you had read my
> mail
> > > well, you will note I
> > > always stated "Jos and the environs." Does that
> mean
> > > that the Tiv population
> > > were only concentrated in Jos? Even at that, are
> you
> > > also saying that there
> > > were no Tivs who lived in Jos in 1966? Do you
> now
> > > see why you a plain idiot.
>
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=====
Yakubu Tor-Agbidye
"A person without a vision has no future, and a person without a future will always return to the past" Unknown.
__________________________________________________
Magnus Ekwueme
Haba, why second cousins fight so much? Sibling rivalry, of course. You
wanted your second cousins razed from earth, didn't you? When that failed,
you gave us twenty-pounds per man knowing fully well we needed better than
that. When we complained to Oputa Panel that we have been wronged, instead
of leaving it to the panel to render judgment, you were first to jump in and
oppose ndiigbo? Where I go stop? Na rivalry because una see ndiigbo as
your greatest obstacle in that Nigerian experiment and you are trying your
darndest to remove us but God no gree. These things are open to the naked
eye, all you have to do is to wipe your eyes and you will see the truth.
Adupe o!
Rgds.,
-Magnus
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mobolaji E. Aluko" <mal...@scs.howard.edu>
To: "otasco otanda" <ota...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Adey Oyenuga" <oye...@chapman.edu>; "Yakubu Tor-Agbidye"
<tor...@yahoo.com>; "The Exeter" <exe...@hotmail.com>;
<stev...@yahoo.com>; <uik...@msn.com>; <igbo--net@lists..cc.utexas.edu>;
<asa...@primus.com.au>; <naij...@yahoogroups.com>; <riv...@siue.edu>;
"Mobolaji E. Aluko" <mal...@scs.howard.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: Arochukwu Igbos, Cousins of the Jukun [Re: [Naijanet] Re: May
God , forgive the Savage Exeter!]
Yakubu Tor-Agbidye
Bye.
> Listen, you are not dealing with a fellow Tiv
> bastard like Ikper. I
> am waiting for the day you and your Tiv murderers
> will prostrate and beg for
> forgiveness. Yes, you stated that you should be
> worried more about the
> federal troops who are currently killing your
> people. I hope you keep on
> worrying about that and also what's coming to you
> next. But do you have any
> "concrete" proof that a single "savage" has been
> killed by anybody? Show us
> the proof or just plain shut up! By the way, how
> much is a Tiv savage worth
> any way? Commot for road! Dan gwuru gwu.
> Umeam.
>
> >From: Egwu Kalu <ek...@wombat.eng.fsu.edu>
> >Subject: RE: [Naijanet] Re: May God forgive the
> Savage Exeter!
> in the North. The
> >October
> >massacres "improved upon" the earlier ones in three
> directions. First, they
> >were
> >not, like the earlier ones confined to the northern
> North. This time the
> >massacres spread to the Middle Belt. Secondly,
> armed soldiers were actively
> >involved, in some cases, they led the attacks.
> Thirdly, this time around,
> >casualties went beyond Igbos, to Southerners in
> general. Estimates of the
> >casualties of the two-month long slaughter of men,
> women and children range
> >from 10,000 to 70,000.
> >Unquote:
> >If the involvement of Tiv and other middle belters
> was not true, someone
> >will
> >challenge the above. Lets wait and see.
> >
> >Egwu Kalu
> >
> >
> >At 04:51 PM 10/24/01 -0700, Yakubu Tor-Agbidye
> wrote:
> > >Exeter,
> > >This is why I told you that you are the most
> primitive
> > >fool, and the most ignorant Nigerian I have ever
> > >known. Please go back to elementary school and
> learn
> > >your Nigerian geography. You will find out that
> Jos
> > >around you, he/she will tell you that Jos is not
> a Tiv
> > >city.
> > >
> > >Please relax and learn, you will be a better off
> > >person if you take your time to learn. I want to
> > >learn that is why I am asking you to produce the
> > >document. Maybe Otasco can help you, ask him.
> > >However, if you are sincerely convinced that the
> Tiv
>
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=====
Yakubu Tor-Agbidye
"A person without a vision has no future, and a person without a future will always return to the past" Unknown.
__________________________________________________
Magnus Ekwueme
You should never tell a grown man shut up. He might give you a hard one
across the face. Take that as a lesson. Two, you made your point: Jos is
not Tiv. I grew up there. While there quite a few hausa-fulani, there are
quite a few Nupe too. You are correct in your points but when you attempt
to shove them down with all manner of invectives, you attract some flies.
Be careful.
Bolaji has quite a few data on Nigeria no matter the topic. One might not
be totally wrong when they assume Bolaji has some information. Much as I'd
hate to, I believe Bolaji would provide any information asked of him. If he
has it, that is. Bolaji, if you de there, say hi to Gbenga. How him de?
Rgds.,
-Magnus
----- Original Message -----
The Exeter
Yakubu "Tiv Bastard" Agbidye"
No, I do not need any education from you, not from a useless Tiv savage. I
am happy that you have agreed that Jos is not a Tiv city, so I guess, that
the Hausa-Fulani will have no problem claiming back what is, in fact, their
rightful property. Second, if you had read my mail well, you will note I
always stated "Jos and the environs." Does that mean that the Tiv population
were only concentrated in Jos? Even at that, are you also saying that there
were no Tivs who lived in Jos in 1966? Do you now see why you a plain idiot.
Listen, you are not dealing with a fellow Tiv bastard like Ikper. I
am waiting for the day you and your Tiv murderers will prostrate and beg for
forgiveness. Yes, you stated that you should be worried more about the
federal troops who are currently killing your people. I hope you keep on
worrying about that and also what's coming to you next. But do you have any
"concrete" proof that a single "savage" has been killed by anybody? Show us
the proof or just plain shut up! By the way, how much is a Tiv savage worth
any way? Commot for road! Dan gwuru gwu.
Umeam.
>From: Egwu Kalu <ek...@wombat.eng.fsu.edu>
>Subject: RE: [Naijanet] Re: May God forgive the Savage Exeter!
The Exeter
For the denying twosome (Ikper and "Torinje") at least we are getting
somewhere. We will keep the searchlight on this issue even till eternity.
Okwu agwu!
Umeam.
>From: "Mobolaji E. Aluko" <mal...@scs.howard.edu>
>To: Egwu Kalu <ek...@wombat.eng.fsu.edu>
>UNQUOTE
>My point is the following: is there anywhere where Madunagu stated >that
>of all of these ethnic groups in the "Middle Belt", the Tiv were
>responsible for the killings? They might be partially responsible, >but
>since there are over 100 ethnic groups in this particular >relevant, might
>we divide the culpability in some manner among the >ethnic groups please?
>Obviously, people were killed, so someone must have done it. The >Tivs are
>not disputing that. Obviously, people were killed in Jos and >Makurdi, and
>they are both Middle-Belt towns. But they can NEVER >prove that they, the
>Tivs, did not do it, but it is up to you and >others to prove that they did
>it - and most preferably, that they did >it SYSTEMATICALLY, and not just
>the odd Tiv or two who joined in a >murderous orgy.
>I think that this the core issue in this back-and-forth about the Tivs
>hitting on the Igbos.
>Bolaji Aluko
> > challenge the above. Lets wait and see..
Akpe A. MBAATYO
Yakubu, Steve, Ityo,
The Tiv do not owe any human being an explanation for the conduct of the
Nigerian civil war. Furthermore, they owe no one an apology for their
participation in a war to unite Nigeria, even at this time of their
persecution. Opinion may vary on this, but now the Tiv know that should
Nigeria split, the fate of the Tiv will obviously be worse off with the
Igbo, that is, if the majority of them think like Umean Exeter.
I don't know where Exeter was during the civil war. I was there. The Tiv
have traditionally served the Nigerian military in large numbers and very
faithfully. This presence predates the Nigerian Army. In the West Frontier
force, the Colonial authorities recruited them in large numbers undert the
pretext that they were fearless. A fearlessness that led to their being
dubbed a war-like tribe. As a result they've been permanently denied high
ranking officer positions that should have given them a say in the
decision-making process in the military. They were skipped over in
promotion on the basis of their ethnicity irrespective of their
performance. Even when exceptional circumstances make it impossible to
sidetrack them, some reasons were always advanced to remove them shortly
thereafter as has happened in the cases of Col. Akaahan and Gen. Malu,
etc. Thus, if anyone wants an explanation regarding the civil war, since
it is obvius that they may not get any good history leading to it from
Chief Ojukwu, they should ask Dr. Yakubu Gowon, Gens. Obasanjo, Danjuma,
and several others who secured their present place in Nigerian history
through that war.
Finally, like being at the center of anything, living in Central Nigeria
exposed the Tiv to a mix of ethnicities uncommon elsewhere in Nigeria.
In villages throughout Tivland, several of us grew up and schooled with
Fulanis, Hausas, Igbos, Yorubas, etc. Those with some sense of Nigerian
history will recall another military incursion in Tivland following the
Tiv riots against Hausa rule in the North. During those riots, the Tiv
fought themselves to stop each other following the Hausa. Yet the had no
quarrel with the Hausas living in their midst. Thus, the Tiv never saw
their part in what they considered Hausa-Igbo conflagration that took
place in the far north. It was until Gen. Gowon became head of state and
determined that it was a matter of our survivor as a nation and thet "to
keep Nigeria one is a task that must be done" that the focus shifted to
keeping our people as one country. At this point (like happens elsewhere)
the nation was at risk and all Nigerians supported the effort. The
military went to war and the Tiv, owing to their numerical superiority in
the army then, had the unfair share of dying for a cause for which they
may never really be compensated in any form. The Tiv is very faithful in
friendship, so they remained a strong friend of the Igbo throughout and
after the war. Hundreds of Igbo who opted to stay lived securely in
villages and towns throughout Tivland. Someone forgot to tell Exeter
these.
Another bit of history that everyone forgot to tell Exeter is that the
Igbo introduced military coup d'etat in Nigeria's political jargon. This
is not an indictment of the whole Igbo, since we all became guilty of
learning fast from Chukwuma Nzegwu's military innovation. In fact, his
could not have been the first if Chief Awolowo's Coup attempt had
succeeded. But it did not and the whole group was tried, including Chief
J.S. Tarka, a Tiv who was among those discharged and acquited of all
complicities. Awo and other were jailed until Gen. Gowon came to power and
released him. Lt. Col. Nzegwu was a protege that the Sardauna of Sokoto
personally brought up and referred to as his son. Knowing the Sardauna's
locations inside out, this son led Nigeria's first coup and personally
killed "his father". The coup also took the lives of Prime Minister
Balewa, his finance minister Chief Okoti Ebo, the Western Primier Sir
Akintola and uncountatble top ranking Northern military officers including
the respected Brig. Maimalari.
That no Igbo leaders were touched infuriated the Hausa/Fulani against whom
the coup was directed. Then the Igbo-controlled powerful media of the day
led by "Drum Magazine" (the New York Times of Nigerian press of those
days) displayed unparelled insensitivity. In one issue Drum showed the
dead Sardauna begging for his sins in Pergatory. Considering the place of
political leaders in Islamic religion, such publications should be
considered unfortunate indeed. The Igbo in market places throughout
the north including such towns as Kano and Kaduna, where they predominated
as entrepreneurs, beat their drums and boxes in celebration. Then Gen.
Ironsi ascended power, and the policies that followed his declaration of a
unitary government accentuated fear in the hearts of the Hausa-Fulani and
the Kano riots started. When the then Col. Ojukwu recalled Igbo's from the
North to return to the East, and the clashes escalated as the exodus
intensified, the Tiv were really appalled. The war had not yet started,
national slogans had not started and Tiv resentment of the Hausa was
still strong. Hence, controlling the Benue bridge and a long stretch of
the railway as they do, if the Tiv were out to kill the Igbo in the manner
Exeter suggests, very few Igbo would have gotten home. I witnessed
instances where the Igbo whom some Tiv could not prevail upon to stay
wanted to go, the Tiv gave them cooked and raw food to take with them.
I am writing this for those of you who have been scratching your heads
over what have the Tiv done to merit this. Don't be bothered. I am
convinced that Exeter does not represent the typical Igbo. I know Igbo
who still appreciate our friendship before, during and after the war. In
many cases, they are us through marriage with children and other
relationships. Additionally, I am not saying other Nigerians were
innocent of the events that followed. For as a nation and ethnicities, we
were all guilty in one aspect or another. Some people prosecuted the war
for selfish ends. But Exeter already knows the sins of the rest of us, so
I have to spell out in brief what someone is hidding from him so he may be
able to balance history. That is, if he is mature enough to appreciate
objective history.
Akpe Mbaatyo,
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, USA.
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Mobolaji E. Aluko
Egwu Kalu:
Madunagu indeed did write a few things, that I wish to point out:
(1) " Estimates of the casualties of the two-month long slaughter of men,
women and children range from 10,000 to 70,000. "
That an estimate can have a 7-fold variation is an admission that we do
not know the number of those murdered. It could actually be as high as
440,000 (7 x 70,000), or as low as 1,400 (10,000/7). Of course, even one
would be too many.
(2) "The October massacres "improved upon" the earlier ones in three
directions. First, they were not, like the earlier ones confined to the
northern North. This time the massacres spread to the Middle Belt.
Secondly, armed soldiers were actively involved, in some cases, they led
the attacks. This time [THAT IS OCTOBER 1966] the massacres spread to the
Middle Belt."
In short, Madunagu admits that from May to October, no massacres occurred
in the Middle-Belt - to kill anywhere from a fraction of 1,400 to 440,000
Igbos AND other Southerners. Also, "armed soldiers" became "actively
involved", making it in easy to locate them geographically but not
ethnically.
(3) However, in an essay that I wrote earlier on Ethnicity, etc., I noted
that in the general area of the Middle Belt of relevance here, we have
QUOTE
UNQUOTE
My point is the following: is there anywhere where Madunagu stated that
of all of these ethnic groups in the "Middle Belt", the Tiv were
responsible for the killings? They might be partially responsible, but
since there are over 100 ethnic groups in this particular relevant, might
we divide the culpability in some manner among the ethnic groups please?
(4) Finally, how do you prove that YOU DID NOT DO something of this kind
of magnitude: killing 1,400 to 440,000 people? Obviously, people were
killed, so someone must have done it. The Tivs are not disputing that.
Obviously, people were killed in Jos and Makurdi, and they are both
Middle-Belt towns. But they can NEVER prove that they, the Tivs, did not
do it, but it is up to you and others to prove that they did it - and most
preferably, that they did it SYSTEMATICALLY, and not just the odd Tiv or
two who joined in a murderous orgy.
I think that this the core issue in this back-and-forth about the Tivs
hitting on the Igbos.
Bolaji Aluko
On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Egwu Kalu wrote:
Steven S. Kueberuwa
the 2/3 something in the Shagari election fiasco.
Amazing!!!!
Egwu Kalu:
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Pardon me?
Methinks that you are too narrow-minded or shortsighted. In due time,
you may get to know the real SteveK.
It's safe to declare that "if we have people like SteveK running the
government in Nigeria", Nigeria would've been balkanized into six or
more hostile nations. Then again, I guess that may just suit to fine.
Adey Oyenuga.
riyizoba
No, the man speaketh the truth. He is not afraid to call a spade a spade.
Unlike many of your Yoruba folks, Stevek is detribalized.
Reggie.
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Date: Thursday, October 25, 2001 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Naijanet] Re: May God forgive the Savage Exeter!