Proof: Tunde Idiagon is FULANI
OBI IHEDURU
Let me take you away from Lagos and to Opobo town and stretch the argument
from that angle. I use Opobo, because Lagos and Ilorin are incongruous
examples and are like comparing apples and oranges--one conquered by the
Fulani, the other unconquered by the Ibibio. The Opobo case is not by
conquest though, historical happenstance. Here it goes:
Akpan Obi Jaja was born in Egwenga-Opobo
Akpan Obi Jaja speaks both Efik and Igbo (Ubani/Ibani dialect)
Akpan is the grandson of Peterside, himself the grandson of King Jaja
The Jajas rule Opobo
King Jaja hailed from Amaigbo, Imo state
Opobo is in Rivers State
Akpan Obi Jaja is an Igbo man
-----Quod Erat Demonstratum.
Obi Iheduru
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
At 04:18 PM 7/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
>OBI:
>I couldn't help stretching your argument.
>
>Case xxx:
>
>Tunde Efiong Akpan was born in Ebute Metta
>Ebute Metta is in Lagos
>Lagos is in Lagos State and the Oba of Lagos rules over Lagos
>The Oba of Lagos is a Yoruba man
>Yoruba towns are ruled by Obas
>Tunde speaks Yoruba language very fluently
>Therefore, Tunde is a Yoruba man QED?????????
>
>No Sir, in Nigeria, Tunde is an Ibibio man
>You therefore did not prove anything either.
>
>But if Tunde Idiagbon has both Yoruba names,
>He father was non-Fulani,
>He was born in Illorin,
>Illorin is a town with a very high percentage of Yoruba inhabitants,
>Therefore Tunde Idiagbon is a Yoruba. QED !
>
>Imeh Akpan
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: OBI IHEDURU <ihed...@mail.fvsu.edu>
>To: Rashid Oniyangi <lar...@banet.net>
>Cc: naij...@esosoft.com <naij...@esosoft.com>
>Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 1:56 PM
>Subject: RE: Tunde Idiabong is my presidential candidate: BUT HE IS(NOT)
>FULANI. (fwd)
>
>
>Rash,
>
>This is a warped argument that gets you in a hell hole. Follows this logic
>and lets see where we get:
>
>Case I (Rashid's)
>
>Idiagbon is not a Fulani
>Idiagbon is a Yoruba
>He was born in Ilorin
>Ilorin is a Yoruba town*
>Proof: Idiagbon is a Yoruba man.
>
>Case II
>
>Ibrahim Gambari is not A Yoruba
>Gambari is a Fulani
>He was born in Ilorin
>Ilorin is a Yoruba town*
>Proof: Gambari is not a Yoruba man
>
>Case III
>
>The Emir of Ilorin is a Fulani
>He was born in Ilorin
>Yoruba towns are ruled by obas
>Fulani emirates are considered Fulani land
>Proof: Ilorin is not a Yoruba land
> Therefore Idiagbon is not a Yoruba man, QED.
>
>You see that your conclusion is utterly false because your premise is
>equally false. But at least I now know that Idiagbon is Fulani, unless
>someone tells us otherwise. No pun intended please.
>
>Obi Iheduru
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>At 02:16 PM 7/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Idiagbon is NOT Fulani. He is Yoruba. He was born in Ilorin, Ilorin is a
>>Yoruba township, culturally and historically. Most of all, Idiagbon is a
>>Nigerian. I have more to say on this but I'll wait for you to float another
>>distorted banner.
>>
>>-----------------------------------
>>Àti gbé yangí atégùn á sòro
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-n...@esosoft.com [mailto:owner-n...@esosoft.com]On
>>Behalf Of Mobolaji E. Aluko
>>Sent: Saturday, July 18, 1998 10:19 AM
>>To: Francis Ifejika Achike
>>Cc: 'Naij...@esosoft.com'
>>Subject: RE: Tunde Idiabong is my presidential candidate: BUT HE IS
>>FULANI. (fwd)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Francis:
>>
>>I am waiting for someone who would know - not anyone who simply wants to
>>be mischievous - to deny that Tunde Idiagbon is Fulani. I was simply
>>stating a fact, not characterizing Idiagbon, so that the world would know,
>>and Lawal Garba, MD, calls me a tribalist. That is the Nigeria we now
>>have, when by simply saying that Okereke is Igbo, Olagbaju is Yoruba and
>>Umar is Fulani, you are called a tribalist. You cannot even tell the
>>simplest of truths.
>>
>>For five years, I have written on this and other forums - and I have my
>>deep archives - that Abiola's death will change the whole political
>>dynamics in Nigeria, not because he is larger-than-life, but because it
>>will show to even the most "reasonable" people (like myself) that certain
>>elements in Nigerian society (in their arrogant foolishness) will attempt
>>to go to ANY LENGTH to have their way, even when it sinks them deeper into
>>the quagmire. They started it with June 12 annullment, and did not learn
>>from it. THEY EVEN DID IT TO ABACHA, and then to ABIOLA. Luckily it was
>>ABACHA before ABIOLA , otherwise greater hell would have broken loose. It
>>may still break loose. They know it, and Lawal Garba and his ilk know it.
>>
>>Abubakar will still do some foolishness - just watch - as IBB continues to
>>have the gall of speaking on the Nigerian situation, the very mess that he
>>created. It is the greatest of insults.
>>
>>
>>Bolaji Aluko
>>
>>
>>On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Francis Ifejika Achike wrote:
>>
>>> Bolaji,
>>> So Idiagbon is really a Fulani? I did not know that. I have always
>>> thought he was a Yoruba, albeit of the Arewa subclass (i.e. Ilorinish).
>>> If this is correct, it goes to show how much the northern oligarchy has
>>> taken the south for granted. Remember Obasanjo has said in the past
>>> that the practice in the military was to ensure that the head and his
>>> deputy do not come from the same zone and should reflect a Christian
>>> /Muslim balance. So in Buhari/Idiagbon we had a north/north/,
>>> Fulani/Fulani, Muslim/muslim combination. What an effrontery.
>>>
>>> Ordinarily (in a nation) these combinations wouldnt matter to many. For
>>> me they attracted nothing but a casual look, but with the events of June
>>> 12, eyes are now more opened, ears more allert and minds more critical
>>> as we have come to realise that those with whom we thought we shared a
>>> common dream actually run a hidden agenda.
>>>
>>> Francis
>>>
>>> >----------
>>> >From: Mobolaji E. Aluko[SMTP:mal...@cldc.howard.edu]
>>> >Sent: Saturday, July 18, 1998 1:35 PM
>>> >To: Deen...@aol.com
>>> >Cc: naij...@esosoft.com; azu...@mail.med.upenn.edu
>>> >Subject: Re: Tunde Idiabong is my presidential candidate: BUT HE IS
>>FULANI.
>>> >(fwd)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Garba Lawal:
>>> >
>>> >You are unhappy that I "revealed" that Tunde Idiagbon is a full-blooded
>>> >Fulani (and not Yoruba as Zubair claimed), and you call me a "tribalist"
>>> >on that account? Is it a lie or the truth?
>>> >
>>> >I know how hard it may be for you to see that a new, a very new Nigeria
>>is
>>> >on the horizon, now that all the worst has been done in Nigeria. To
>tell
>>> >the truth, if I were you, I would also be very irritable at this time in
>>> >Nigeria.
>>> >
>>> >Take good care of yourself.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Bolaji Aluko
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> >Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:12:57 EDT
>>> >From: Deen...@aol.com
>>> >To: mal...@cldc.howard.edu
>>> >Cc: azu...@mail.med.upenn.edu
>>> >Subject: Re: Tunde Idiabong is my presidential candidate: BUT HE IS
>>FULANI.
>>> >
>>> >Typical tribalist. Go prepare for your fund raising summit. We are
>>waiting to
>>> >hear the next line of action of Beko after raising more dollars. Tell
>him
>>> >some
>>> >people who knew his past shoddy deals are watching. Go back and fight
>for
>>the
>>> >kind of nigeria (? oduduwa republic) you want or shut up.
>>> >
>>> >Lawal
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>Attachment Converted: c:\eudora\attach\RashidF8.vcf
>>
>
>
Isaiah O. Oladeji
I think Rashid will do us a big favor by explicitly telling us who Tunde
Idiagbon is. For, Rashid is the son of the soil, more so that Oniyangi and
Idiagbon compounds are not far from each other in Ilorin.
Rashid, please two questions for you: between Afonja and Emir who do you
think should rule Ilorin? Who do you think Tunde Idiagbon would prefer
to rule Ilorin?
Isaiah O. Oladeji.
Rashid Oniyangi
categorical about what Idiagbon really is, I must continue to reiterate my
earlier statement thus:
"let us remember that there those whose lived existences have transcended
most of our traditional definition of who a Yoruba man/woman is or should
be; I call those people Nigerians".
By virtue of Tunde Idiagbon's lived existence, he can be a Yoruba and he can
be a Fulani, but he cannot be both at one and the same time, therefore he is
a Nigerian. But who really is a Nigerian, if I must ask? This is the
question that would break us free from the tribal trap and lead us into a
consequent consideration of how we can build structures that will guarantee
equal opportunity for all Nigerians in political, social, and economic life.
I do know Idiagbon personally, and as you rightly pointed out, Oniyangi and
Idiagbon compounds are not far from each other, but I cannot answer your
questions. If you ever have the opportunity to ask Idiagbon himself which
tribe he belongs to, I can assure you that his answer will be similar to
mine: I am a Nigerian!
As for your other questions regarding Afonja-Emir Issue, the reality is that
to a large extent, the polarities you are trying to establish are of largely
sentimental value to the people concerned. There are of course, occasional
frictions (as there must be) in which people hark back to historical
animosities, everyday real-life imperative always finds a large proportion
of Ilorin natives acting in concert on issues that are important to the
majority.
Rashid Oniyangi
"Ilorin Afonja enu dun iyo te. N'ijo t'ap'owo t'ap'aso l'apin kurani. Awa
l'arikewu s'ola. Afi wala t'ore."
-Many Thanks to Abdul-Rasheed Na'Allah for this Pithy one.
Imeh Akpan
How did you do that ?
You are telling me about my neck of the wood.
Granted, you know some things about Opobo.
Original Opobo(District) consisted of Opobo Town(Egwanga)
and Opobo mainland.
The people of Opobo town speak Ubani (Igbo dialect) and Ibibio,
and some Ijaw dialect.
The people of Opobo mainland speak Ibibio.
During the creation of states, Opobo town was included in the
Rivers state and Opobo mainland was included in Cross Rivers
and subsequently in Akwa Ibom.
Ikot Abasi is the old Opobo mainland.
Now, the people of Egwanga will argue with you very seriously
on the point that King Jaja came from Amaigbo.
The history of the original King Jaja supports the point that
he was an indigene of Opobo town.
Only trading and intermarriage with the Igbos resulted in the Ubani dialect.
Now to your demonstration,
If Akpan Obi Jaja is a descendant of the original King Jaja and even if
King Jaja came from Amaigbo over 200 years ago and Opobo is now in
the Rivers State, Akpan Obi Jaja can only be from Rivers State and not Igbo.
His father, grand father,great grand father etc were not from Amaigbo.
Over 200 years is too long, Akpan Obi Jaja can claim lineage to Amaigbo
but can not claim to be Igbo.
How about that ?
Nige...@aol.com
i...@physics.ucf.edu writes:
> diagbon is. For, Rashid is the son of the soil, more so that Oniyangi and
> Idiagbon compounds are not far from each other in Ilorin.
Actually the wife of Idiagbon is an ONIYANGI.
Historically the ONIYANGIs are also said not be from ILORIN.
They moved into Ilorin and imbibed western education(was actualy told that
AKANBI ONIYANGI went to St. Barnabas anglican primary school) as against the
Quranic school(ile-kewu) that were vigorously pursued by the other indigenes.
They got an edge from this.
Politically, the ILORINS have always distanced themselves from the yorubas
since the leadership believed that they had more to gain from their
classification as FULANIs as against being classified as YORUBAS. They speak
the oyo yoruba and bear marks(facial)of the oyo yorubas. By descendancy,
language/dialect and tribal marks, they are yorubas.
The SULU-GAMBARIS, DONGARIS, etc will tell you that their first language is
Yoruba.
But taking out these(i.e language, tribal marks) the social cultural
adaptation has been more to reflect the FULANI culture. The marriage ceremony
is FULANI not yoruba, the process of courtship is FULANI and not Yoruba in
nature/substance.
regards.
Segun DAWODU, MD
Nige...@aol.com
lar...@banet.net writes:
> Marriage and courtship in Ilorin is another thing. I can tell you, as the
> son of the soil, that we exhibit a little bit of each cultures in our
> marriage rites. I hope you will have the opportunity to one day witness a
> marriage ceremony in Ilorin, or better still, marry one of our beautiful
> daughters.
Rashid,
For your information, my mum was from Ilorin(she is deceased) and spent some
part of my growing up in GEGELE area of Ilorin(where most of cousins still
live) and actually started my primary education at St. Barnabas(same school my
dad attended with Akanbi). Whenever I am in Nigeria, I make sure I go back to
the area for my taste of "OKA"(Amala) with Gbegiri or soya bean or TUO with
Gbegiri.
Most of the info were from stories from my Dad(dont tell me he lied!!!!!!).
regards.
Segun Toyin DAWODU, MD
Rashid Oniyangi
1. Idiagbon's wife is not an Oniyangi(unless he married my sister without my
blessings)
2. While the Oniyangis are not originally from Ilorin, we are like the all
Yorubas, said to have come somewhere in the area of western Sudan and
settled, Via Maiduguri, in a predominantly Youruba area (Igbaja and Ada-Nla)
before we finally settled in Ilorin. To say the very least, this pattern is
true for most people and families in Nigeria. What we bring with us is a
wealth of heritage that spans almost 150 years and several generations; the
rest is pre-history.
3. Akanbi Oniyangi's Mission school education is not an exceptional thing. I
had my secondary education at Anglican College of Commerce Offa. I am well
grounded in Yoruba culture, not just the language. It is afterall part of my
heritage. I also went to ile-kewu where I got my religious education.
In terms of cultural adaptations, it is interesting that of all the culture
in Nigeria, Yoruba is probably the only one that has witnessed the largest
degree of adaptation. These adaptations reflect the influence of other
surrounding cultures on the Yoruba culture, this is all too evident from the
Yoruba language itself.
Marriage and courtship in Ilorin is another thing. I can tell you, as the
son of the soil, that we exhibit a little bit of each cultures in our
marriage rites. I hope you will have the opportunity to one day witness a
marriage ceremony in Ilorin, or better still, marry one of our beautiful
daughters.
My knowledge of history is not exhaustive, but I hope I have been able,
through my own life, show you that the determination of cultural identity is
not a 'either-or' issue where I come from.
Rashid Oniyangi
-----------------------------------
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From: owner-n...@esosoft.com [mailto:owner-n...@esosoft.com]On
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are adding petrol.
In article <1.5.4.16.1998071...@mail.fvsu.edu>,
OBI IHEDURU <ihed...@mail.fvsu.edu> wrote:
> Daa Imeh,
>
> Let me take you away from Lagos and to Opobo town and stretch the argumen=
> t
> from that angle. I use Opobo, because Lagos and Ilorin are incongruous
> examples and are like comparing apples and oranges--one conquered by the
> Fulani, the other unconquered by the Ibibio. The Opobo case is not by
> conquest though, historical happenstance. Here it goes:
>
> Akpan Obi Jaja was born in Egwenga-Opobo
> Akpan Obi Jaja speaks both Efik and Igbo (Ubani/Ibani dialect)
> Akpan is the grandson of Peterside, himself the grandson of King Jaja
> The Jajas rule Opobo
> King Jaja hailed from Amaigbo, Imo state
> Opobo is in Rivers State
> Akpan Obi Jaja is an Igbo man
> -----Quod Erat Demonstratum.
>
> Obi Iheduru=20
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
> >This is a warped argument that gets you in a hell hole. Follows this log=
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------=
> --
> >
> >At 02:16 PM 7/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >>Idiagbon is NOT Fulani. He is Yoruba. He was born in Ilorin, Ilorin is =
> a
> >>Yoruba township, culturally and historically. Most of all, Idiagbon is =
> a
> >>Nigerian. I have more to say on this but I'll wait for you to float ano=
> ther
> >>distorted banner.
> >>
> >>-----------------------------------
> >>=C0ti gb=E9 yang=ED at=E9g=F9n =E1 s=F2ro
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-n...@esosoft.com [mailto:owner-n...@esosoft.com]On
> >>Behalf Of Mobolaji E. Aluko
> >>Sent: Saturday, July 18, 1998 10:19 AM
> >>To: Francis Ifejika Achike
> >>Cc: 'Naij...@esosoft.com'
> >>Subject: RE: Tunde Idiabong is my presidential candidate: BUT HE IS
> >>FULANI. (fwd)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Francis:
> >>
> >>I am waiting for someone who would know - not anyone who simply wants t=
> o
> >>be mischievous - to deny that Tunde Idiagbon is Fulani. I was simply
> >>stating a fact, not characterizing Idiagbon, so that the world would kn=
> ow,
> >>and Lawal Garba, MD, calls me a tribalist. That is the Nigeria we now
> >>have, when by simply saying that Okereke is Igbo, Olagbaju is Yoruba an=
> d
> >>Umar is Fulani, you are called a tribalist. You cannot even tell the
> >>simplest of truths.
> >>
> >>For five years, I have written on this and other forums - and I have my
> >>deep archives - that Abiola's death will change the whole political
> >>dynamics in Nigeria, not because he is larger-than-life, but because it
> >>will show to even the most "reasonable" people (like myself) that certa=
> in
> >>elements in Nigerian society (in their arrogant foolishness) will attem=
> pt
> >>to go to ANY LENGTH to have their way, even when it sinks them deeper i=
> nto
> >>the quagmire. They started it with June 12 annullment, and did not lea=
> rn
> >>from it. THEY EVEN DID IT TO ABACHA, and then to ABIOLA. Luckily it w=
> as
> >>ABACHA before ABIOLA , otherwise greater hell would have broken loose. =
> It
> >>may still break loose. They know it, and Lawal Garba and his ilk know i=
> t.
> >>
> >>Abubakar will still do some foolishness - just watch - as IBB continues=
> to
> >>have the gall of speaking on the Nigerian situation, the very mess that=
> he
> >>created. It is the greatest of insults.
> >>
> >>
> >>Bolaji Aluko
> >>
> >>
> >>On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Francis Ifejika Achike wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bolaji,
> >>> So Idiagbon is really a Fulani? I did not know that. I have always
> >>> thought he was a Yoruba, albeit of the Arewa subclass (i.e. Ilorinish=
> ).
> >>> If this is correct, it goes to show how much the northern oligarchy h=
> as
> >>> taken the south for granted. Remember Obasanjo has said in the past
> >>> that the practice in the military was to ensure that the head and his
> >>> deputy do not come from the same zone and should reflect a Christian
> >>> /Muslim balance. So in Buhari/Idiagbon we had a north/north/,
> >>> Fulani/Fulani, Muslim/muslim combination. What an effrontery.
> >>>
> >>> Ordinarily (in a nation) these combinations wouldnt matter to many. =
> For
> >>> me they attracted nothing but a casual look, but with the events of J=
> une
> >>> 12, eyes are now more opened, ears more allert and minds more critica=
> l
> >>> as we have come to realise that those with whom we thought we shared =
> a
> >>> common dream actually run a hidden agenda.
> >>>
> >>> Francis
> >>>
> >>> >----------
> >>> >From: Mobolaji E. Aluko[SMTP:mal...@cldc.howard.edu]
> >>> >Sent: Saturday, July 18, 1998 1:35 PM
> >>> >To: Deen...@aol.com
> >>> >Cc: naij...@esosoft.com; azu...@mail.med.upenn.edu
> >>> >Subject: Re: Tunde Idiabong is my presidential candidate: BUT HE IS
> >>FULANI.
> >>> >(fwd)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Garba Lawal:
> >>> >
> >>> >You are unhappy that I "revealed" that Tunde Idiagbon is a full-bloo=
> ded
> >>> >Fulani (and not Yoruba as Zubair claimed), and you call me a "tribal=
> ist"
> >>> >on that account? Is it a lie or the truth?
> >>> >
> >>> >I know how hard it may be for you to see that a new, a very new Nige=
> ria
> >>is
> >>> >on the horizon, now that all the worst has been done in Nigeria. To
> >tell
> >>> >the truth, if I were you, I would also be very irritable at this tim=
> e in
> >>> >Nigeria.
> >>> >
> >>> >Take good care of yourself.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Bolaji Aluko
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> >Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:12:57 EDT
> >>> >From: Deen...@aol.com
> >>> >To: mal...@cldc.howard.edu
> >>> >Cc: azu...@mail.med.upenn.edu
> >>> >Subject: Re: Tunde Idiabong is my presidential candidate: BUT HE IS
> >>FULANI.
> >>> >
> >>> >Typical tribalist. Go prepare for your fund raising summit. We are
> >>waiting to
> >>> >hear the next line of action of Beko after raising more dollars. Tel=
> l
> >him
> >>> >some
> >>> >people who knew his past shoddy deals are watching. Go back and figh=
> t
> >for
> >>the
> >>> >kind of nigeria (? oduduwa republic) you want or shut up.
> >>> >
> >>> >Lawal
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>Attachment Converted: c:\eudora\attach\RashidF8.vcf
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
--
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Nigeria, his death was a blessing to Nigeria.
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OBI IHEDURU
This historical fact has not helped us much. That an Oniyangi went to a
formal mission instead of a koranic school and that somebody married
somebody are not the cultural desiderata of ethnic acceptance. That
Babangida has a Yoruba middle name--Badamosi I think, in the Nigerian
context does not make him a Yoruba. Are Zik's and Ibiam's children Yoruba
or Igbos, given their Yoruba middle names and maternal homes in the heart of
Yorubaland? If Tunde Idiagbon is a Fulani with a Yoruba name, or vice versa,
then tells us so.
Socialization also does make one come from a particular ethnic group. BTW,
why do the Yorubas derogatorily refer to Hausa/Fulani as "omo gambari?" Has
it anything to do with the issue under discussion?
Obi Iheduru
-----------------------------------------------------
At 09:48 PM 7/19/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 7/19/1998 5:04:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>i...@physics.ucf.edu writes:
>
>> diagbon is. For, Rashid is the son of the soil, more so that Oniyangi and
>> Idiagbon compounds are not far from each other in Ilorin.
>
OBI IHEDURU
The Jaja story is similar to one from my village. Sometime in the mid 1800s
a young man named Alaghisi, younger brother of Ihechu was abducted by slave
raiders and was never seen again. By the 1920s or thereabout he came back a
very wealthy man with a long retinue of Ubani-speaking Igbos. But he was
not to stay because his large commercial and agricultural empire on the
southeastern Nigerian coast was calling. That man had been given a new
name: Benstowe. The Benstowe House in Bonny today comprises several
hundreds of persons.
Benstowe owned two palm estates in present Akwa-Ibom state, one with a very
large compound at Ikot-Odobong, about 10-15 miles after Azumini on the
Aba-Opobo road and the other on the Aba River on the A-I side further south
from Ikot-Odobong (forgot the name now), where I stayed briefly. At its
height, there were about 15 wives occupying that compound, mostly Efik
women. He also owned a beach at Opobo and got into palm plantation to beat
the competition from the Jaja/Peterside House.
Some of his third generation nieces now have taken to the name "Benstowe" or
simply "Stowe" and today qualify as Rivers state indigenes. Only a few of
them return to Mbeke, Mbano in Imo State. The rest are comfortable in Bonny
and the disintegrating compound at Ikot-Odobong. Are these still Igbos or Efiks?
What case # is this? I sure know your neck of the wood. Its one world. na
we dey divide am.
Obi Iheduru
>Imeh Akpan
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: OBI IHEDURU <ihed...@mail.fvsu.edu>
>To: Imeh Akpan <im...@webzone.net>
>Cc: naij...@esosoft.com <naij...@esosoft.com>
>Date: Sunday, July 19, 1998 2:38 PM
>Subject: Proof: Tunde Idiagon is FULANI
>
>
>Daa Imeh,
>
>Let me take you away from Lagos and to Opobo town and stretch the argument
>from that angle. I use Opobo, because Lagos and Ilorin are incongruous
>examples and are like comparing apples and oranges--one conquered by the
>Fulani, the other unconquered by the Ibibio. The Opobo case is not by
>conquest though, historical happenstance. Here it goes:
>
>Akpan Obi Jaja was born in Egwenga-Opobo
>Akpan Obi Jaja speaks both Efik and Igbo (Ubani/Ibani dialect)
>Akpan is the grandson of Peterside, himself the grandson of King Jaja
>The Jajas rule Opobo
>King Jaja hailed from Amaigbo, Imo state
>Opobo is in Rivers State
>Akpan Obi Jaja is an Igbo man
> -----Quod Erat Demonstratum.
>
>Obi Iheduru
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>This is a warped argument that gets you in a hell hole. Follows this logic
>>and lets see where we get:
>>
>>Case I (Rashid's)
>>
>>Idiagbon is not a Fulani
>>Idiagbon is a Yoruba
>>He was born in Ilorin
>>Ilorin is a Yoruba town*
>>Proof: Idiagbon is a Yoruba man.
>>
>>Case II
>>
>>Ibrahim Gambari is not A Yoruba
>>Gambari is a Fulani
>>He was born in Ilorin
>>Ilorin is a Yoruba town*
>>Proof: Gambari is not a Yoruba man
>>
>>Case III
>>
>>The Emir of Ilorin is a Fulani
>>He was born in Ilorin
>>Yoruba towns are ruled by obas
>>Fulani emirates are considered Fulani land
>>Proof: Ilorin is not a Yoruba land
>> Therefore Idiagbon is not a Yoruba man, QED.
>>
>>You see that your conclusion is utterly false because your premise is
>>equally false. But at least I now know that Idiagbon is Fulani, unless
>>someone tells us otherwise. No pun intended please.
>>
>>Obi Iheduru
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>At 02:16 PM 7/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>>Idiagbon is NOT Fulani. He is Yoruba. He was born in Ilorin, Ilorin is a
>>>Yoruba township, culturally and historically. Most of all, Idiagbon is a
>>>Nigerian. I have more to say on this but I'll wait for you to float
>another
>>>distorted banner.
>>>
>>>-----------------------------------
>>>Àti gbé yangí atégùn á sòro
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-n...@esosoft.com [mailto:owner-n...@esosoft.com]On
>>>Behalf Of Mobolaji E. Aluko
>>>Sent: Saturday, July 18, 1998 10:19 AM
>>>To: Francis Ifejika Achike
>>>Cc: 'Naij...@esosoft.com'
>>>Subject: RE: Tunde Idiabong is my presidential candidate: BUT HE IS
>>>FULANI. (fwd)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Francis:
>>>
>>>I am waiting for someone who would know - not anyone who simply wants to
>>>be mischievous - to deny that Tunde Idiagbon is Fulani. I was simply
>>>stating a fact, not characterizing Idiagbon, so that the world would know,
>>>and Lawal Garba, MD, calls me a tribalist. That is the Nigeria we now
>>>have, when by simply saying that Okereke is Igbo, Olagbaju is Yoruba and
>>>Umar is Fulani, you are called a tribalist. You cannot even tell the
>>>simplest of truths.
>>>
>>>For five years, I have written on this and other forums - and I have my
>>>deep archives - that Abiola's death will change the whole political
>>>dynamics in Nigeria, not because he is larger-than-life, but because it
>>>will show to even the most "reasonable" people (like myself) that certain
>>>elements in Nigerian society (in their arrogant foolishness) will attempt
>>>to go to ANY LENGTH to have their way, even when it sinks them deeper into
>>>the quagmire. They started it with June 12 annullment, and did not learn
>>>from it. THEY EVEN DID IT TO ABACHA, and then to ABIOLA. Luckily it was
>>>ABACHA before ABIOLA , otherwise greater hell would have broken loose. It
>>>may still break loose. They know it, and Lawal Garba and his ilk know it.
>>>
>>>Abubakar will still do some foolishness - just watch - as IBB continues to
>>>have the gall of speaking on the Nigerian situation, the very mess that he
>>>created. It is the greatest of insults.
>>>
>>>
>>>Bolaji Aluko
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Francis Ifejika Achike wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bolaji,
>>>> So Idiagbon is really a Fulani? I did not know that. I have always
>>>> thought he was a Yoruba, albeit of the Arewa subclass (i.e. Ilorinish).
>>>> If this is correct, it goes to show how much the northern oligarchy has
>>>> taken the south for granted. Remember Obasanjo has said in the past
>>>> that the practice in the military was to ensure that the head and his
>>>> deputy do not come from the same zone and should reflect a Christian
>>>> /Muslim balance. So in Buhari/Idiagbon we had a north/north/,
>>>> Fulani/Fulani, Muslim/muslim combination. What an effrontery.
>>>>
>>>> Ordinarily (in a nation) these combinations wouldnt matter to many. For
>>>> me they attracted nothing but a casual look, but with the events of June
>>>> 12, eyes are now more opened, ears more allert and minds more critical
>>>> as we have come to realise that those with whom we thought we shared a
>>>> common dream actually run a hidden agenda.
>>>>
>>>> Francis
>>>>
>>>> >----------
>>>> >From: Mobolaji E. Aluko[SMTP:mal...@cldc.howard.edu]
>>>> >Sent: Saturday, July 18, 1998 1:35 PM
>>>> >To: Deen...@aol.com
>>>> >Cc: naij...@esosoft.com; azu...@mail.med.upenn.edu
>>>> >Subject: Re: Tunde Idiabong is my presidential candidate: BUT HE IS
>>>FULANI.
>>>> >(fwd)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Garba Lawal:
>>>> >
>>>> >You are unhappy that I "revealed" that Tunde Idiagbon is a full-blooded
>>>> >Fulani (and not Yoruba as Zubair claimed), and you call me a
>"tribalist"
>>>> >on that account? Is it a lie or the truth?
>>>> >
>>>> >I know how hard it may be for you to see that a new, a very new Nigeria
>>>is
>>>> >on the horizon, now that all the worst has been done in Nigeria. To
>>tell
>>>> >the truth, if I were you, I would also be very irritable at this time
>in
>>>> >Nigeria.
>>>> >
>>>> >Take good care of yourself.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Bolaji Aluko
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> >Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:12:57 EDT
>>>> >From: Deen...@aol.com
>>>> >To: mal...@cldc.howard.edu
>>>> >Cc: azu...@mail.med.upenn.edu
>>>> >Subject: Re: Tunde Idiabong is my presidential candidate: BUT HE IS
>>>FULANI.
>>>> >
>>>> >Typical tribalist. Go prepare for your fund raising summit. We are
>>>waiting to
>>>> >hear the next line of action of Beko after raising more dollars. Tell
>>him
>>>> >some
>>>> >people who knew his past shoddy deals are watching. Go back and fight
Joseph D Dahip
This debate is getting out of hand. Just ask Bolaji to cite where
he read that Tunde Idiagbon is a Fulani man. That will close this matter
for good. No need to debate the matter any longer since we cannot prove
it any way.
jd
Rashid Oniyangi
wallowing in it, you must have a lot to pay.
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Àti gbé yangí atégùn á sòro
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-n...@esosoft.com [mailto:owner-n...@esosoft.com]On
Behalf Of Mobolaji E. Aluko
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 7:37 PM
To: Naij...@esosoft.com
Subject: Re: Proof: Tunde Idiagon is FULANI
Netters:
One is always surprised how a thread on the Net lengthens, while other
more important things are going on in life.
I will withdraw this truthful disclosure of Idiagbon's Fulani ethnicity if
someone - that is Idiagbon, who has an address and phone number - says it
is not so.
I see that people are surprised about the disclosure. So was I.
But I must say that in the atmospheric scheme of things, Idiagbon's
ethnicity is of no moment.
Best wishes.
Bolaji
Mobolaji E. Aluko
Joseph D Dahip
Still no proof from Bolaji. Any surprises?
jd