URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL
George B.N.Ayittey
A.O. Nyong wrote:
**********************
Dear Kunle and all,
Without risking being branded as being in support of 419, I dare to make
my 2 cents contribution. All these 419 letters we have seen all have the
same story line and none of them fails to mention that the money is
corruptly acquired. My question is this:
HOW CAN ANY HONEST BUSINESS MAN BE SUCKED INTO SUCH A DEAL.
You cannot stop a bird from flying over your head, but you can stop it
from making a nest on your head. These letters are not sponsored by the
Federal Government of Nigeria. These are private letters from private
citizens and it is their fundamental human rights to be able to write
any
letter they so chose to as private citizens.
Some of my friends have received such letters here and I have advised
them to send the letters to where they belog - the trash can. It is
because there are still very many dishonest, fraudulent and greedy
businessmen that make such letters continue to flow. If people stopped
responding, don't you think such letters would cease?
*******************
AYITTEY: Tony, all the points you made above are WELL-TAKEN but the
points many of us have been making are these:
1. Because of publicity about these scams, not many crooked businessmen
are responding anymore. Yet, the letters KEEP COMING in a variety of
forms and sophistication!
2. You are ignoring the DAMAGE such letters do to the IMAGE of
Government institutions in Nigeria and the country's image as well. Most
of these letters, written on "official" letterheads, purport to come
from some crooked "official" in some Government ministry: Ministry of
Works and Housing, NNPC, CBN, etc. etc. Whether or not anybody falls
victim to a scam letter, is secondary to the damage it does to the
credibility of the government agency or institution or the country it
purportedly came from. Who will believe any letter from the NNPC or any
ministry in Nigeria? And who will take anything from Nigeria seriously?
Furthermore, it is ILLEGAL in Nigeria to misuse FORGED government
stationery for such private fraudulent purposes. To prevent things like
this in the U.S., those who live in the U.S. should carefully examine an
official letter from the U.S. Government. At the top left-hand corner of
the envelope is the inscription: "Penalty for unauthorized use -- $200."
No government in this world allows its letterhead, logo and insignia to
be spammed and duplicated by private citizens for their own criminal
use. No government in this world. And the Abacha government should not
allow that either.
George Ayittey,
Washington, DC.
Kunle Mabogunje
Netters:
See all George Ayittey is talking about below.
Why are these letters still coming out of Nigeria?
What is our government doing to curb 419?
Do we care, we are busy calling Ayittey names, rather than listen
to what he has to offer us.
Like I said, anyone insults me again, and I will be calling for their
head.
LA please note.
ps:
The discourse below was picked off a public discussion group. [alt.2600]
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Hackers & shenanigans;
I would like your advice how to act or respond to a letter
I received recently which apparantly a fraud or corruption.
Your input will be greatly appreciated, as I don't read newsgroups
often, please email a copy when you post. Thanks!
Attachment 2 was a similar letter a business related fellow who
received in 1995.
--------------------------------attachment #1 ------------------------
DR. BOLA MOMODU
TEL: 234-90-404149
FAX: 234-90-404149
LOGOS - NIGERI.
29TH DECEMBER, 1997
SIR,
(UDERLINED) REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP
MY COLLEAGUES AND I AFTER DUE DELIBERATIN, HAVE FINALLY
DECIDED TO SEND FORTH TO YOU THIS APROPOSAL.
WE HAVE PROCURED SAFELY THE SUM OF FORTY ONE MILLION FIVE
HUNDRED THOUSAND US DOLLARS ONLY (UD$ 41,500,000.00) WHICH
IS LYING IDLE IN A SUSPENSE ACCOUNT WIHT THE CENTRAL BANK OF
INGERIA (CBN).
AS YOU MAY RIGHTLY WANT TO KNOW, WE ARE OFFICIALS OF THE NIGERIAN
NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATON (NNPC).
THIS MONEY ORIGINATED FROM A CONTRACT THAT WAS EXECUTED FOR
AND ON BEHALF OF MY MINISTRY BETWEEN 1995 AND 1996 BY FOREIGN
FIRM, WHICH WAS DELIBERATELY OVER - INVOICED BY US TO THE TUNE OF
FORTY ONE MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATE DOLLARS
(41,500,000.00). THIS HOWEVER, IS DEAL BETWEEN MY COLLEAGUES AND
I. WE THEREFORE WANT TO TRANSFER THIS MONEY ABROAD, FORTUNATELY,
THIS PRESENT ADMINISTRATION HAS DECLARED ALL FOREIGN CONTRACT
DEBTS IN ALL MINISTRIES FROM THE LAST FINANCIAL YEAR TO PRESENT
DUE FOR PAYMENT. THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY IN QUESTION HAS BEEN
DECLARED DUE FOR PAYMENT AS FOREIGN CONTRACT DEBT IN MY MINISTRY.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE GOT TO GET THIS MONEY TRANSFERED OUT
OF THE COUNTRY FOR OUR PERSONAL USE, HENCE, IT HAS BECOME NEVITABLY
IMPORTANT TO LOOK FOR A FOREIGN PARTNER WHO IS WORTHY OF TRUST THAT
WE CAN USE HIS COMPANIE'S NAME TO APPLY FOR THE RELEASE AND GET
MONEY REMITTED INTO HIS OR HER ACCOUNT. SINCE NIGERIA LAW
DOES NOT PERMIT US AS CIVIL SERVANTS TO OPERATE FOREIGN ACCOUNTS.
WE HAVE TO COMPENSATE YOU WITH 30% OF THE MONEY INVOLVED, IF YOU ARE
ABLE TO HELP, 60% WILL BE FOR ME AND MY COLLEAGUES, WHILE 10%
HAS BEEN MAPPED OUT TO REDEEM ANY INCIDENTAL EXPENSE THAT MAY BE
INCURRED HOME OR ABROAD IN HTE COURSE OF THIS DEAL. THIS FINAL AND
OFFICIAL APPROVAL OF THE FUND MAY INVOLVE BRINGING SOME OTHER
OFFICIALS WHO ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THIS DEAL, FOR PROMPT
AND IMMEDIATE RELEASE OF THIS FUND.
PLEASE IF YOU ACCEPT THIS PROPOSAL, YOU SHOULD SEND TO ME BY
FAX ONLY:
1. ONE COPY OF YOUR LETTER HEADED PAPER AND PROFORMA INVOICE,
STAMPED AND SIGNED UNDERNEATH EACH
2. YOUR BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER, THE TELEPHONE, TELEX, AND FAX
NUMBER OF THE BANK.
ALTERNATIVELY, AT REQUEST, I WILL SEND YOU A "TEXT" OF WHAT YOU
TYPE INTO YOUR LETTER HEADED PAPER AND PROFORMA INVOICE TO BE
STAMPPED AND SIGNED FOR YOU, WILL ENABLE US APPLY FOR THE
FORMAL RELEASE OF THIS MONEY AND GET REMITTED INTO YOUR NORMINATED
ACCOUNT. I ALSO ASSURE YOU THAT THIS DEAL IS 100% RISK FREE.
WE HAVE DONE OUR HOME WORK PROPERLY.
I QUITE BELIEVE THAT YOU WILL PROJECT OUR INTEREST BY KEEPING THIS
DEAL STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL, AS WE STILL IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE,
AND WE INTEND TO RETIRE AT OUR OWN APROPRIATE TIME.
YOURS FAITHFULLY,
[SIGNED]
DR. BOLA MOMODU.
----------------------attachment 2 --------------
>From Dr. Alfa Abu
Tel./Fax. 234-1-4527206
Attn. The Managing Director/President
Dear sir,
URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL
You were recommended to me as a very discreet and reliable business man, hence
my contacting you for a business proposal which i believe might be interest
to you.
We are in possesssion of defaced united states dollars worth about 45.5M
(forty-five million, five hundred thousand us dollars) only.
These currencies were gotten from our former head of state, Ibrahim Babangida
by two of his aides. This money was en-route from Liberia in disguise as
ECOMOG (Ecowas monitoring group for liberian civil war) contingency funds the
two clever military boys were able to identify the boxes as containing vital
subjects. Hence on the information and order given to them privately by the
former head of the state, they were able to secretly divert some of the boxes
before they got to him and fortunately for them, he left power abruptly.
In the process I was contacted not knowing what it was, but for the sizes
of the papers I thought it might be money, so I contacted a relation
of mine who works with the Nigerian Security Printing and Minting company
(NSPMC) who identified the subjects as united states dollars but in
defaced form, that is coloured in black form probably to deceive security
agents or any prying eye.
On further attempt, we discovered a process to clean them up and this has
already been experimented. All I require now is a person of high repute
who has good relationship with his bankers to deposit this amount of cash
into a bank overseas. We can't lodge it here because of my country's
foeign exchange policy which is very restricted. We can fly the money into
your country in boxes through diplomatic immunity, as arrangement has been
made with my contact in the foreign ministry, so that the fund could
be flown undetected.
Please indicate your interest through the given fax number above.
You will be adequately remunerated/ compensated for your assistance.
I would like to remind you that this business is very confidential
and time is very important. We will be willing to start business with
part of the funds in your country upon a successful depositing of the
fund into your account.
Yours faithfully,
Dr. ALFA ABU
LAGOS NIGERIA
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A.O. Nyong
Dear Kunle and all,
Without risking being branded as being in support of 419, I dare to make
my 2 cents contribution. All these 419 letters we have seen all have the
same story line and none of them fails to mention that the money is
corruptly acquired. My question is this:
HOW CAN ANY HONEST BUSINESS MAN BE SUCKED INTO SUCH A DEAL.
You cannot stop a bird from flying over your head, but you can stop it
from making a nest on your head. These letters are not sponsored by the
Federal Government of Nigeria. These are private letters from private
citizens and it is their fundamental human rights to be able to write any
letter they so chose to as private citizens.
Some of my friends have received such letters here and I have advised them
to send the letters to where they belog - the trash can. It is because
there are still very many dishonest, fraudulent and greedy businessmen
that make such letters continue to flow. If people stopped responding,
don't you think such letters would cease?
If I were the president of Nigeria, I would be very interested in
prosecuting all these 419 cases, particularly where people have been
defrauded. The State would prosecute the dupers as criminals, and the
duped as accomplises to the crime of trying to defraud the Federal
Government of huge sums of money. I guess, when that happens, everybody
will starighten up.
On a lighter (?) note, if these so-called business men got their
commissions from these fraudulent deals, would we ever hear of them.
Please, give us a break.
Your brother
Tony.
Sepribo Lawson-Jack
Hi Folks:
I'm aware this 419 scam debate has raged on and off Naijanet over the years and I confess I haven't followed the recent debate. So, I do not mean to fan the flames or beat a dead horse but one point just came to mind that I think should be very pertinent to any discussion on 419: This scam did not just materialize from nowhere.
The historical fact is from the early 1970s until about 1990, Nigerian govt. officials had systemically used the very same means expounded in the 419 letters to collude with foreigners to actually siphon off govt. funds to bank accounts overseas. Many foreigners actively participated and even encouraged this corrupt and criminal act and got terribly rich in the process. Another fact is from the late 1980s, crude oil price went very low; Nigeria progressivley got broke; the IMF and other creditors pilled on pressure for tighter financial accounting in order to bless IBB's SAP; there was no option than to close many of the 419 loopholes. But the criminals, both Nigerians and foreigners, wanted to continue to ply their trade. And they did. Only, this time around the table was turned the other way. Foreigners colluded, as before, but didn't get paid. The trade surplus, if I could use that term, turned in Nigeria's favor.
Of course, foreigners being wise, didn't like to be fleeced, particularly by foreigners. They called on and cried to their govts. for help and so we got to where we are today.
You would agree, foreign govts. in deed, every govt. has a responsibility to protect the rights and property of their citizens, so the pressure on the Nigerian govt. to agressively pursue Nigerian 419 scammers is appropriate. The Nigerian govt should avoid the temptation to feel that the phase2 of 419 scams is in Nigeria's favor as the phase1 had favored foreigners. I think the Nigerian govt can do more to apprehend and prosecute both Nigerian and foreign 419 criminals and not give the impression it is being pressured by foreign govts to protect foreigners from Nigerians. Such an attitude can only feed the erroneous interpretation that foreigners who participate in 419 scams are victims, and Nigerians, the criminals
S Lawson-Jack
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From: A.O. Nyong[SMTP:nyo...@MCMAIL.CIS.MCMASTER.CA]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 11:14 AM
To: NAIJA...@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
Subject: Re: URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL
fbw...@t-online.de
In article <199801271033...@usenet63.supernews.com>,
Hi there!
I'm writing from a German firm. Today, we received a letter like
mentioned above, too. The text of the letter is almost the same as above
but our letter ends with
[signed]
Dr. James Okoh
Does anybody know what's that for???
CU Stefan Schmitt
c/o Fortbildungswerk Sachsen gGmbH, Bischofswerda, GERMANY
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KY jelly
In article <01BD2B26...@nj0061slawsonj.ho.lucent.com>,
slaws...@LUCENT.COM says...
>
>This is condensed to save bandwith, and eyestrain. The following is the thrust
of the thread.
>
>
>
>----------
>From: A.O. Nyong[SMTP:nyo...@MCMAIL.CIS.MCMASTER.CA]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 11:14 AM
>To: NAIJA...@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>Subject: Re: URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL
>
>Dear Kunle and all,
>Without risking being branded as being in support of 419, I dare to make
>my 2 cents contribution. All these 419 letters we have seen all have the
>same story line and none of them fails to mention that the money is
>corruptly acquired. My question is this:
>
>HOW CAN ANY HONEST BUSINESS MAN BE SUCKED INTO SUCH A DEAL.
>
>commissions from these fraudulent deals, would we ever hear of them.
>Please, give us a break.
>
>Your brother
>
>Tony.
>
To be suckered into 419 the scamee must have a drop or two
of corruption in his blood. Both parties should be prosecuted, both parties are
corrupt. I feel nothing when a participant loses funds, anyone partaking in 419
is involved in fraud and deserves no compassion.
My objection is the image these letters produce, they advertise
to almost every business and every businessman that Nigeria is
FRAUD. These letters are an insult to 99.99% of those that receive
them. They are a global advertisement for Nigerian fraud and because
of the prevalence of these letters many companies have instigated
pollicies that are detrimental to any form of business or investment
where the word Nigeria appears.
Remember the majority of the worlds business people and
businesses are honest and will not partake in fraud of any kind. These
letters are chasing away these businesses and people, leaving only
those behind that have fraudulent hearts to deal with Nigeria.
There is no excuse for not aggressively prosecuting the perpetrators.
They are defrauding the country, chasing away investment and damaging to a
point beyond repair the image of Nigeria and Nigerians. It is because of these
people that Nigerians are looked on with suspicion whenever the green passport
is presented. It is because of these people that the Word Nigeria is a synonym
for fraud.
C. A. Pascale
KY:
What the, do you have to say about the "Legal" versions of the Scam
in which there is no case whatever for victim as criminal and in which
the victim also has very llittle recourse? It is an error to lump in all
form of 419 as Classic 419, it is simply glaringly inaccurate to do to.
Also, given limited law enforcement resources, even if everyting you
say were accurate, which it is not, which group do you think should
be prioritized, those who Make the Money or those who Lose it?
Additionally, since the Government of Nigeria has done very little
to attack those on the Make the Money ( supply - push ) end, why
in the world would any Government want to attack those on the
Lose the Money ( demand - pull ) end?
Please see our article in scn ( might hav to use Deja News
to view it ) "419: The Bottom Line".
Pascale
Coordinator
419 Coalition
http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/
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>
> Additionally, since the Government of Nigeria has done very little
> to attack those on the Make the Money ( supply - push ) end, why
> in the world would any Government want to attack those on the
> Lose the Money ( demand - pull ) end?
Could you please cite instances where 419 was done to someone who did not
stand to gain something from the whole thing?
How/why should anyone be convicted for schemeing the schemer first?
It is my understanding anyway that all these schemes need one prime
ingredient to lure the victims in: GREED.
Being that I am a firm believer in what goes round comes round...I say if
you wanted to stick your hand in the pot and you got burnt..serves ya
right.
js
KY jelly
In article <01bd2ee2$5a838fe0$17ebeccb@jdestone>, jade...@usa.net says...
>
Some Nigerians just don't get it. Who cares about the greed necessary
to partake in the Nigerian 419, and who cares that the greedy person loses
money? Who cares if he, or she is arrested? No one.
What is important is that it makes headlines, it makes great 20/20
articals and it makes great editorials around the world. every editorial, every
TV exposee every artical in the world press regarding the Nigerian scams hurts
the country, it hurts Nigerians, and it destroys the possibility of a
reasonable future for Nigerian business.
So what if other countries have corruption? It is Nigeria's corruption
that makes the press. All of Abacha's financial BS is worthless because none of
it adresses the world concept of Nigeria as being the most corrupt country on
earth. Go on, present your Nigerian passport, see how you are viewed when the
man sees Nigeria and your name.
419 brings in a few bucks, it also brings distrust from those not
scammed, those that are not suceptable to scam, and it chases away their
investment. I ask, how many thousands of 419 letters are sent just to bring in
one fish? How many 419 letters go to legitimate business people telling them
that some minister or another and Nigeria is corrupt.
What if 419 letters from the alleged Housing Secratary of the USA or
the UK were sent to to hunderds of thousands of business worldwide? Immagine
the response from the UK, the USA or any other country? It dosn't take much
immagination, there would be arrests, investigations and the perptrators would
be in jail fast.
419 unchecked is desaster for Nigeria and all Nigerians. You can't
whitewash world opinion by justifying 419 by claiming that it takes two to
tango. It only takes one sender to tarnish Nigeria and all the newspaper
adverts will not wash away the fact that the sender is never arrested because
Nigeria is corrupt.
C. A. Pascale
Ma'am:
Nice to hear from you again.
The logical conclusion of your argument that is all fraud statutes
be taken off the books by every Government in the World so that
fraud is, in effect, legalized. While that night be OK with you,
and might be OK with me, it Won't be OK with those Governments, so
making this type of argument is, for practical purposes, pretty
much Beating a Dead Horse, which, of course, does not impede
your right to make such an argument.
To directly quote an acquaintance in US GOV who deals with this
matter every day, and with whom I discussed your earlier correpondence,
he said "She just doesn't get it." To which I said, "well, that's OK,
she doesn't have to." As you know, we here at 419 Coalition are
always perfectly willing to agree to disagree with anyone, we believe
people are entitled to their own views in this matter, whatever they
are, no problem here with that.
However, here, once again, reprinted below, is a PRACTICAL view of
the matter, which is the REALITY here, and on which Basis it is
very obvious to all that the Governments of the World are ACTING,
and on which, at this point, it is of very little importance whether
you, I, or anyone else agrees or disagrees with them, this is the
way it IS for the foreseeable future, like it or not.
Respectfully,
Pascale
Coordinator
419 Coalition
http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/
Subject: 419: The Bottom Line
From: C. A. Pascale
Date: 1998/01/18
Message-ID: <885144372....@dejanews.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nigeria
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Folks:
We have heard from both "sides" of the current debate on 419 in
Naijanet. The comments below were forwarded privately to each a
few days ago. We offer them now for general consideration:
We here would like to note that 419 Coalition has No Problem with
the vast majority of Nigerians, in fact, in our 1997 News section
we have publicly responded in defense of that view to an article
which appeared in the Nigerian media which called 85% of all Nigerians,
in essence, criminals.
Additionally, we would like to note that we at 419 Coalition believe
in patriotism, be it American, Nigerian, Ghanian, French, etc. etc.
We feel that patriotism is a virtue.
But we say again that so long as Nigeria does nothing about either
the Classic or "Legal" 419ers who Make the Money, very few nations
will have any motivation whatosever to do anything at all to those
who Lose the Money, but will be content with educational measures
and arresting 419ers who Make the Money unfortunate enough to be
caught within their borders. That is a pretty fair paraphrase of
both 419 Coalition views in this matter and of the Policy of the
US Government.
The view here is that the Governments of countries other than
Nigeria Aretaking measures within their respective nations against
those who have illegally benefited from 419 that have produced
tangible results in terms of arrests made, monies seized, and
convictions gotten. As we here understand it, the other Governments
of the world are merely asking Nigeria to do the same, and have been
asking for many years now, to no avail.
Further, we here do understand the "demand-pull" view of 419 which
is the position of the Nigerian Government in this matter. That is
why 419 Coalition and the US Government and other governments are
doing their best to educate people regarding 419 operations - to cut
down on the "demand - pull" side of the equation. As often noted in
scn and elsewhere, if there was no "demand-pull" there would be no
419, and measures are and have been taken to attempt to deal with
that side of the equation.
However, the other side of the equation is, of course, the "supply-
push" view of 419 ( if there were no Classic 419 letters, for example,
there would be no Classic 419 ). Given Sovereignty, this can only be
effectively dealt with by the Nigerian authorities. It is the view
of 419 Coalition, and, as we understand it, also the view of the US
Government and other governments that the Nigerian authorities of
successive governments have done little or nothing to deal with the
"supply-push" side of the equation. In fact, it is the view of the
419 Coalition that the 419ing elite has so effectively infiltrated
successive Governments of Nigeria that it has, in essence, been
rendered virtually helpless in regard to dealing effectively with
the "supply-push" side of the equation.
There the situation stands, as we understand it. Gordian Knot.
But it is becoming increasingly obvious to us that someone over
in Nigeria needs to very soon figure out and implement a tangible,
quantifiable, verifiable way of cutting that knot and meaningfully
addressing the "supply-push" issue as the Governments of the world
are, in our view, becoming increasingly tired of their citizens
complaining by the millions to them about the incessant arrival
of illegal junk mail from Nigeria in their living rooms and places
of work, and that they are getting tired enough to DO various things
about it, the details of which vary from GOV to GOV, and of which we,
as a non-GOV organization, are certainly not privy.
The Governments of the world want the flow of 419 materials out
of Nigeria controlled, and they want to see arrests, asset seizures,
and convictions of those who make the money, just as are happening
to those who benefit from 419 in other nations, in our view. If
and when Nigeria somehow manages to do this, who knows, the position
of other Governments regarding those who, in Classic 419, Lose the
Money may change.
Finally, we would like to note that we here at 419 Coalition do
NOT makeUS Government nor any other Government's policy, and that
the above merely represents our views on existing Policy,
nothing more.
Respectfully,
Pascale
Coordinator
419 Coalition
http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/
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