Yoruba Ronu (Yorubas, make una think --- edited)
SARKI ABBA ABDULKADIR
What do you mean by the Afonjas? Who are they, apart from Tunde
Giwa? Please let us know.
Sarki
On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Gbenga Abimbola wrote:
> SHEHU WROTE:
> >
> > Tunde,
> >
> > Welldone for a frank and insightful perspective. I hope you have not
> > been paid by Abacha or any of his agents. There is much hope yet for our
> > country, with people like you. Cheers.
> >
> > Shehu
>
> SHEHU:
>
> MY MESSAGE WAS MEANT FOR THE YORUBAS AND THE "AFONJAS" AMONG THE YORUBAS.
> A TRUE SON/DAUGHTER OF ODUDUWA WOULD CLEARLY UNDERSTAND MY MESSAGE. IT
> WAS NOT MEANT FOR MEDIOCRES, OR THOSE WITH LITTLE MINDS. AS WE SAY
> IN THE GREAT CULTURE OF THE ODUDUWA:
>
> "BI OWE BI OWE NI A N LU ILU OGIDIGBO, OLOGBON NII JOO, OMORAN NI SII MOO."
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~
> LET ME TRANSLATE THIS FOR YOU; I WOULD HAVE LEFT THIS FOR TUNDE "AFONJA"
> TO HELP YOU OUT, BUT I WILL ANYWAY (the interpretation may sound literary,
> you'll get it):
>
> "LIKE PROVERB, LIKE PROVERB, DO WE BEAT THE OGIDIGBO DRUM; THE WISE ARE
> THE ONES WHO DANCE TO IT, AND THOSE WITH WISDOM UNDERSTAND THE CONTENTS."
>
> IN THE NEAR FUTURE, MOST OF THOSE GREAT WORDS OF ODUDUWA WILL BE POSTED
> TO ODUS' NET FOR THOSE WITH GREAT MINDS TO DIGEST. MEANWHILE, I SUGGEST
> YOU REMAIN HIBERNATED FOR A WHILE, OR CONTINUE TO DO WHAT YOU DO BEST....
>
>
> GBENGA.
> ==================== END OF MESSAGE ============================
>
> On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Ayotunde Giwa wrote:
>
> >> Whats all this about? This is the lowest form of groupthink possible. I'm
> >> Yoruba, but you certainly do NOT speak for me or any of the other Yoruba
> >> people that I know. This sort of 1960's style retrograde thinking has no
> place
> >> on this net. You should have posted it to Oduduwa Net or where ever else
> >> you little tribalists congregate.
> >>
> >> Its almost the year 2000, forward looking Africans everywhere are looking
> >> for cultural and commercial linkages with other Africans. And what do you
> >> offer us? Low brow ethnic bickering. Shame, you have not covered yourself
> >> with glory. Far from it.
> >>
> >> All you seem to care about is having a Yoruba as President. If that is
> >> the limit of your aspirations within a United Nigeria, I urge you to set
> >> your sights higher than that. I challenge you to tell me one policy
> >> position you seek to institute with an Abiola presidency. The process that
> >> led to the June 12 election was fatally flawed. SDP and NRC, both created
by
> >> Babangida, (who I'm sure you revile) were NOT political parties, they were
> >> brigades. Their manifestos were written for them by Babangida. They were
> >> funded by Babangida. He banned and unbanned various individuals almost at
> >> whim. What resulted was a joke, a very unfunny one. I urge you to visit
> >> Nigeria soon. You will find, as I suspect, that those Nigerians with a
> >> 'June 12 or death' thinking constitute a small minority. Most people just
> >> want to get on with life.
> >>
> >> Non of this should be considered a defense of the status quo. I take no
> >> back seat to anyone in my desire for a new and better dispensation. I
> >> KNOW there is enough room in a united Nigeria for ALL of us.
> >>
> >> Take care.
> >>
> >> Tunde Giwa
> >>
>
Gbenga Abimbola
YOU DON'T HAVE TO KNOW THE AFONJAS. I REPEAT, MY MESSAGE WAS DIRECTED
TO THE YORUBAS (AND THE AFONJAS AMONG THEM). THE AFONJAS HAVE ALREADY
IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. THEY MAY IDENTIFY THEMSELVES TO YOU, IF THEY CHOOSE TO.
TUNDE "AFONJA" GIWA MAY ALSO BE OF ASSISTANCE, SINCE HE DOES COMMUNICATE
WITH THE AFONJAS ON A REGULAR BASIS.
MEANWHILE, TAKE CARE.
GBENGA
**** GIWAS MESSAGE DELETED TO SAVE DISK SPACE. ****
SARKI ABBA ABDULKADIR
Since you posted your message to naijanet, I think you should do
us (the non-Afonja, non-Yoruba) subscribers the courtesy of explaining
what you mean. Otherwise, I suggest you limit group-specific issues to
ethnic nets, like most of us do.
Take care,
Sarki
Gbenga Abimbola
NOPE, SINCE YOURBAS ARE ON THIS NET, I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO
SEND MY MESSAGE TO THEM ONLY. THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE A MESSAGE
THAT IS SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED TO ANY ETHNIC GROUP OTHER THAN
YOURS, JUST HIT YOUR DELETE BOTTON. IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
TAKE CARE.
GBENGA
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Godwin Odia
I tried to restrain myself from responding to your mail but
your statement that "they got it and they responded privately caught my
attention". Does n't that tell you that your message belong to
private mail in the first place? If those to whom the message is
sent do not have private addresses why are you sending it in here?
Try to send your message in non cap letters. It is rude to
type all in caps and please don't tell me it is your right.
This will be my last response on this issue no matter your
response.
Cheers.
Godwin
From: ABIMB...@STMISB.ADM.STEVENS-TECH.EDU
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:04:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Yoruba Ronu (Yorubas, make una think --- edited)
To: go...@ix.netcom.com
GODWIN,
YOU ARE DEAD WRONG. THIS IS INFORMATION SUPER HIGHWAY. ANYWAY,
YOU RESERVE THE RIGHT TO YOUR OWN OPINION. NOT ALL THE YORUBAS
ON THIS NET HAS ACCESS TO PRIVATE MAIL. IN ORDER TO GET MY
MESSAGE ACROSS TO THEM, I HAD TO USE NAIJANET.
THEY GOT IT, AND HAVE RESPONDED PRIVATELY. ARROGANCE? NOPE.
GBENGA
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GODWIN WROTE:
>
> I think this is sheer arrogance. A message that cannot be
> shared by all on this network belongs to private mail.
>
>Godwin Odia
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Godwin Odia
Abi Olowe
I do not see anything wrong with someone sending a mail meant for a group
to the general Net, moreso if s/he does not have the e-mail addresses of
those concerned. Many of us have done it once on Naijanet (we have seen
old students of different institutions seeking themselves and even people
seeking their personal friends).
On the other hand, I agree with you that we should exercise caution when
sending messages through e-mail. It is not that it is rude writing all
caps, but it is overstressing that can be interpreted in different ways by
different people. I will send a separate mail on this.
Abi