[Naijanet] Can We The Nigerian People ...?
yinka adeyemi
The argument will fail on two grounds:
1. Any government that successfully sent out ambassadors to countries and
the UN already has legitimacy, even if it remains an unelected
government. Remember that stupid Supreme Court decision which says,
basically, that a successful coup is not illegal? Especially once the new
government LEGALLY (with the cover of law) expunges troubvlesome sections
from the constitution.
2. The potential action has to be wholesome. We would have to throw out
EVERY policy and decision made by such a government. Even those that we
may consider fine. We cannot choose unpleasant action while we ignore
those (by the same illegal government) that are good for us.
yinka
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Ekenlor Idi <tch...@yahoo.com>
writes:
> Netters:
>
> Much of Nigeria's debt obligations were contracted by unelected
> governments. I have been wondering if the Nigerian people can go to
> a court to argue the case that the debts are illegal since they were
> contracted by illegal, unelected governments. Does anyone have an
> idea how this will fly in the courts?
>
> okn
> +++
>
> =====
> okn
> ------
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> nor nakedness freeze thee. ----- Benjamin Franklin
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-----Original Message-----
From: yinka adeyemi [mailto:yade...@juno.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 5:31 PM
To: tch...@yahoo.com
Cc: naij...@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [Naijanet] Can We The Nigerian People ...?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snippage of preamble!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
2. The potential action has to be wholesome. We would have to throw out
EVERY policy and decision made by such a government. Even those that we
may consider fine. We cannot choose unpleasant action while we ignore
those (by the same illegal government) that are good for us.
yinka
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>end of better philosophising!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
And I respond thusly!
Clap! Clap!! Clap!!! My words exactly! I was thinking of how best to put my
thoughts in writing when you plagiarized my brain! Thank you! Thank you!
Good job!
Amala mi re O!
- TC
"Let dishonesty and crooked industry be thy constant companions, and spend
one billion more than thy clear gains; then shall thy pocket begin to
thrive; creditors will not insult, nor want oppress, nor hungerness bite,
nor nakedness freeze thee. "----- Okadigbo et al and others!!
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builder of the kitty.
I yet to read a convincing arguments why those we owed should not get their
money in full with interset....in they like, they should add late charges.
Abo mi re o.
------Original Message------
From: Adey Oyenuga <oye...@chapman.edu>
To: Ekenlor Idi <tch...@yahoo.com>, naij...@egroups.com
Sent: August 15, 2000 6:20:31 PM GMT
Subject: Re: [Naijanet] Can We The Nigerian People ...?
Hello Kasirim,
Check with Dr. George B.N. Ayittey at: <ayi...@american.edu>
I think he once covered this topic.... I doubt if this will fly in
any Court of law. For, a contract is a contract. The contracts per
se are not necessarily "illegal". However, what these leaders used
the funds for.....
Prince Adey.
At 11:01 AM 8/15/00 -0700, Ekenlor Idi wrote:
>Netters:
>
>Much of Nigeria's debt obligations were contracted by unelected
>governments. I have been wondering if the Nigerian people can go to
>a court to argue the case that the debts are illegal since they were
>contracted by illegal, unelected governments. Does anyone have an
>idea how this will fly in the courts?
>
>okn
>+++
>
>=====
>okn
>------
>Let honesty and industry be thy constant companions, and spend one
>penny less than thy clear gains; then shall thy pocket begin to
>thrive; creditors will not insult, nor want oppress, nor hungerness bite,
>nor nakedness freeze thee. ----- Benjamin Franklin
>
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martin duodu
The way is to find out whether the debts were contracted illegally by the
illegal government; that is, whether in its dictatorial way, it violated
processes which it had itself laid down for contracting debts, or had
accepted! This means you need lawyers with a good eye for the small print,
looking in detail at statutes and contracts. You would be amazed how often
these governments sometimes abuse procedures. Because they need to sign
contracts quickly to get their cut, they allow procedure to die by the
wayside. And if you can show that a contract was signed contrary to
laid-down procedure, it is invalid for all practical purposes. One quick
example, if a state government (military) contracted a debt without passing
it through the Federal Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank of Nigeria,
what would the laws of Nigeria say about that?
What do the laws of Nigeria say about, for instance, the curious and
convoluted debt buy-back issue re the contracts on the Ajaokuta project? And
so on.
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: "yinka adeyemi" <yade...@juno.com>
To: <tch...@yahoo.com>
Cc: <naij...@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Naijanet] Can We The Nigerian People ...?
> kasirim:
> The argument will fail on two grounds:
> 1. Any government that successfully sent out ambassadors to countries and
> the UN already has legitimacy, even if it remains an unelected
> government. Remember that stupid Supreme Court decision which says,
> basically, that a successful coup is not illegal? Especially once the new
> government LEGALLY (with the cover of law) expunges troubvlesome sections
> from the constitution.
> 2. The potential action has to be wholesome. We would have to throw out
> EVERY policy and decision made by such a government. Even those that we
> may consider fine. We cannot choose unpleasant action while we ignore
> those (by the same illegal government) that are good for us.
> yinka
>
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Ekenlor Idi <tch...@yahoo.com>
> writes:
> > Netters:
> >
> > Much of Nigeria's debt obligations were contracted by unelected
> > governments. I have been wondering if the Nigerian people can go to
> > a court to argue the case that the debts are illegal since they were
> > contracted by illegal, unelected governments. Does anyone have an
> > idea how this will fly in the courts?
> >
> > okn
> > +++
> >
> > =====
> > okn
> > ------
> > Let honesty and industry be thy constant companions, and spend one
> > penny less than thy clear gains; then shall thy pocket begin to
> > thrive; creditors will not insult, nor want oppress, nor hungerness
> > bite,
> > nor nakedness freeze thee. ----- Benjamin Franklin
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
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Ekenlor Idi
There is a very Nigerian affliction - it is called defeatism. We
cannot be any worse off, can we try? We can either fail or succeed.
Look at what happened to Pinochet in London. People like you would
not even have considered the thought.
But trust Nigerians. We know the answer to everything, even to
questions yet to be asked.
Take care.
okn
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Ekenlor Idi
Is a contract signed under duress a valid contract?
Your response is a very lazy response. Rather than consider the
possibility, you dismiss it out of hand. Did not the PDGs warn those
countries and banks eager to lend money to Abacha's Nigeria that the
Nigerian people did not recognize those debts and that the Nigerian
people will repudiate those debts?
The set of outcomes of a legal action such as I have suggested
consists of two elements: success and failure. You never know what
the outcome would be until you have tried.
okn
+++
--- Adey Oyenuga <oye...@chapman.edu> wrote:
> Hello Kasirim,
>
> Check with Dr. George B.N. Ayittey at: <ayi...@american.edu>
>
> I think he once covered this topic.... I doubt if this will fly in
> any Court of law. For, a contract is a contract. The contracts per
> se are not necessarily "illegal". However, what these leaders used
> the funds for.....
>
>
>
> Prince Adey.
>
> At 11:01 AM 8/15/00 -0700, Ekenlor Idi wrote: