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> Subject: Idiagbon's widow can't inherit him!!!!
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> Topic: Idiagbon's Widow Can't Inherit His Property, Says
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> > WIDOW of
> the former chief of staff, Supreme Headquarters, Major-General
> Tunde Idiagbon, Biodun cannot inherit any of her husband's
> property, an Islamic cleric has declared.
> >
> The cleric, Dr. Najimdeen Ishola Raji, the deputy,
> chief Imam of the University of Ilorin mini-campus who gave the
> declaration stated that the religion of Islam prohibited
> non-moslems inheriting from a moslem.
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> Biodun, Idiagbon's widow, according to the cleric,
> is a Christian, a staunch member of the Redeemed Church family.
> >
> Raji in his weekly Jumat Khutbah sermon at the
> university on Friday maintained that following the death of the
> former number two man, none of his immediate dependants who did not
> profess Islamic religion could inherit him.
> >
> Raji's comments tallied with investigation by our
> correspondent that the former military strongman might have left
> the chunk of his will for charity.
> >
> According to a source, Idiagbon, towards his last
> days on earth, was said to have become concerned on the Christian
> religious faith of his wife and some of his children and had
> requested clerics to assist him spiritually.
> > [b_business.jpg - 3.8 K]
> The source added that in each meeting with some
> renown clerics in the ancient town, he used to inundate them with
> his "problem" and insisting on a spiritual solution to it from
> them.
> >
> It was reliably gathered that some few weeks to
> his passage, he confessed to close associates that he would
> dedicate the rest of his life to charitable cause.
> > [hr.jpg - 1.0 K]
> Meanwhile, condolence messages and visitors
> continued to pour into Ilorin to sympathise with the people of the
> ancient town on the passage of the former soldier.
> >
> One of the callers, the Minister of Agriculture
> and Natural Resources, Alhaji Alfa Wali, described Idiagbon as one
> who dedicated his life to the service of the country.
> >
> Wali recalled his interaction with the former
> number two man when he served as the permanent secretary in the
> Federal Ministry of Information which was saddled with the
> promotion of his pet War Against Indiscipline (WAI) project,
> stating that his greatest legacy to the country is discipline.
> >
> The minister regretted that Idiagbon died at a
> time when the country needed his wealth of experience, adding that
> as a disciplined and patriotic officer, the nation would need his
> wisdom at the time of change of leadership from the military to the
> civilians.
>
>
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Date of Article: 04/04/99

Topic: Idiagbon's Widow Can't Inherit His Property, Says
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WIDOW of the former chief of staff, Supreme Headquarters,
Major-General Tunde Idiagbon, Biodun cannot inherit any of her
husband's property, an Islamic cleric has declared.

The cleric, Dr. Najimdeen Ishola Raji, the deputy, chief Imam of the
University of Ilorin mini-campus who gave the declaration stated that
the religion of Islam prohibited non-moslems inheriting from a
moslem.

Biodun, Idiagbon's widow, according to the cleric, is a Christian, a
staunch member of the Redeemed Church family.

Raji in his weekly Jumat Khutbah sermon at the university on
Friday maintained that following the death of the former number two
man, none of his immediate dependants who did not profess Islamic
religion could inherit him.

Raji's comments tallied with investigation by our correspondent that
the former military strongman might have left the chunk of his will
for charity.

According to a source, Idiagbon, towards his last days on earth, was
said to have become concerned on the Christian religious faith of his
wife and some of his children and had requested clerics to assist him
spiritually.

The source added that in each meeting with some renown clerics in the
ancient town, he used to inundate them with his "problem"
and insisting on a spiritual solution to it from them.

It was reliably gathered that some few weeks to his passage, he
confessed to close associates that he would dedicate the rest of his
life to charitable cause.

Meanwhile, condolence messages and visitors continued to pour into
Ilorin to sympathise with the people of the ancient town on the
passage of the former soldier.

One of the callers, the Minister of Agriculture and Natural
Resources, Alhaji Alfa Wali, described Idiagbon as one who dedicated
his life to the service of the country.

Wali recalled his interaction with the former number two man when he
served as the permanent secretary in the Federal Ministry of
Information which was saddled with the promotion of his pet War
Against Indiscipline (WAI) project, stating that his greatest legacy
to the country is discipline.

The minister regretted that Idiagbon died at a time when the country
needed his wealth of experience, adding that as a disciplined and
patriotic officer, the nation would need his wisdom at the time of
change of leadership from the military to the civilians.

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Apart from the bad English of saying a widow cannot "inherit" her deceased
husband, I think this pronoucement by this so called cleric is what gives
Islam and all moslems a bad name. So, what does this illereate Dr. Raji
suggest should happen to Tunde Idiagbon's property? The property should go to
him or to Islam? Who acts as a repository of this inheritance? Dr. Raji?

One other question. If a christian wife cannot inherit her husband's
property, does it cut the other way? Does his brand of Islam also prohibit a
moslem wife from inheriting her deceased christian husband's property.

In a way though, I think it serves this family right. Maybe Dr. Raji's mosque
will help us sieze our property, because Naija is the proper inheritor of
Tunde Idiagbon's property. After all, based on his legal salary, and
considering the Naija military prohibits double dipping, most of Tunde
Idiagbon's estate should go back to where it came from.

As for the bad English, no way do you inherit a dead person. You could
inherit their body, if that is in dispute, but most likely, "Dr." Raji meant
to say, "inherit her husband's property".

Rotimi.

Babalola OLALEKAN

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Netters,
I really want to learn here, because I have a lot of questions in my mind.
1]What does the law say about wills in Nigeria? If Tunde Idiagbon made a
will, excluding his wife of many years from his estate on the basis of
religion, can it be sustained in a secular State such as Nigeria?
2]Can Mrs Idiagbon claim that she is being persecuted for her religion by
her [deceased] husband and by this apparently overzealous imam, considering
the news item below? Is this a means to force Mrs Idiagbon to become a
muslim? Can she sue the imam? The State?
3]Who is the legal near of kin to Tunde Idiagbon: his wife or his imam?
4]If Tunde Idiagbon had indicated that the Sharia Law be applied to his
case, and his wife preferred English law, which should prevail in this
instance?
5]Is this what the Quran say, that the widow of any muslim must be barred
from inheriting her husband's estate unless she converts to islam, or the
imam was only trying to 'punish' a 'kaferi'? I've heard many muslims claim
that both christians and themselves are worshipping the same God. Can this
be sustained at this time?
6]Is the corollary also true[i.e if the man were to be a christian, and the
widow is a muslim, is she barred, from islamic law, from getting anything
from her dead husband's estates?].
7]And what about the kids? Is Mrs Idiagbon also required to give them up, on
the basis of religion [afterall, they are far more valuable than temporal
wealth]?
8]Does the Quran place any responsibility upon the shoulders of a staunch
muslim who decided to marry a church goer, even if the latter is not
interested in becoming a muslim?
9]And if Mrs Idiagbon were to 'convert' to islam today, would she have
access to her husband's wealth? How long would she have to be 'on probation'
before her 'conversion' is accepted as genuine?
10]Is this the best way to get non-muslim spouses convert to islam?

I am honestly aching to know, because it baffles me that this unfortunate
widow is being put through this inhumane treatment by those that should
support her in her hour of need.

Babs

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Dear Roteh,
Imam Raji, got his Ph.D from University of Michigan Ann Arbor, he is a
learned man. He is the Imam of Unilorin and a lecturer in the dept of
Islamic/ Arabic studies(I think that is the dept's name). He has never
spared anybody even when Buhari/Idiagbon were in power, when any anti
government pronuncements can land anyone in jail. I am not a cleric and
not well versed in Fiqh(Islamic Jurisprudence), I do know Imam Raji
cannot and will not make unfounded or uninformed statements. I have
known him to be a "moderate" for the past 15 years. His pronouncement
has made me consult my limited library since morning. No one knows if
Gen. Idiagbon left a will. If he did not, his estate will have to be
subjected to the dictates of Shariah as related to inheritance. The
sharing formula is very just. The fact that Imam Raji says she cannot
"inherit" does not mean she will be treated unfairly. Some consensus
will be arrived at and justice, fairness and equity will prevail. Other
Muslim netters might wish to shed some light on this. Regards.

Bamidele

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Babs,

On the points of Law, Shariah or English and its applicability in Nigeria
I am not an expert so on these I would not comment.

However, on some other points you raised relating to Islam and inheritance
I will make a few comments.

On Mon, 5 Apr 1999, Babalola OLALEKAN wrote:

> Netters,
> I really want to learn here, because I have a lot of questions in my mind.
>
1]What does the law say about wills in Nigeria? If Tunde Idiagbon made a
> will, excluding his wife of many years from his estate on the basis of
> religion, can it be sustained in a secular State such as Nigeria?

The concept of a will in Islam is a little different from the way it is
defined under other system. In Islam your will state your assets your
liabilies in total. what you owe and what other people owe you.In cash,
real estate and what have you. It is different from other systems in that
the owner of the will CANNOT specify HOW his/her estate is to be
administered after his/her death NOR WHO his/her beneficiaries will
be,either in terms of the number of beneficiaries or their portions of
the estate, up to a specified MAXIMUM. That maximum is one-third of
his/her estate. Put in a different way, a person can specify in his will
that one third of everything he owes be given to so and so. The remaining
two-thirds cannot be touched by him/her.

> 2]Can Mrs Idiagbon claim that she is being persecuted for her religion by
> her [deceased] husband and by this apparently overzealous imam, considering
> the news item below? Is this a means to force Mrs Idiagbon to become a
> muslim? Can she sue the imam? The State?
> 3]Who is the legal near of kin to Tunde Idiagbon: his wife or his imam?

It is possible for Tunde Idiagbon to specify the truste of his estate in
his will. That person DOES not have to be his wife.(He may have more than
one wife!). The requirement of Islam is that that person MUST be a Muslim
before it can be recgognized.

>
4]If Tunde Idiagbon had indicated that the Sharia Law be applied to his
> case, and his wife preferred English law, which should prevail in this
> instance?

> 5]Is this what the Quran say, that the widow of any muslim must be barred
> from inheriting her husband's estate unless she converts to islam, or the
> imam was only trying to 'punish' a 'kaferi'? I've heard many muslims claim
> that both christians and themselves are worshipping the same God. Can this
> be sustained at this time?
>

The Qu'ran explicitly allows Muslim men to marry non-muslim women WHO
ARE NOT IDOL WORSHIPPERS. The converse i.e a Muslim woman marrying a
non-muslim man is NOT ALLOWED in Islam.

To answer the second part of your question first, if the man were a
christian he CANNOT inherit his wife under ANY circumstance since the
marriage was not allowed in the first place.The wife CANNOT also inherit
her husband.

The first part of your question of whether a non-muslim woman can inherit
her husband who is a muslim since the marriage is allowed by Islam, I
would say the pronouncement of the Imam is correct, although I would
research more on the topic. That does not mean she will not get anything
from the estate. It means the SHARING FORMULA as applied to a wife (or
wives) under the Shariah will not apply to her. If her husband knew this
he, could specify that she get one-third (for example)of his estate as I
mentioned earlier.

6]Is the corollary also true[i.e if the man were to be a christian, and the
> widow is a muslim, is she barred, from islamic law, from getting anything
> from her dead husband's estates?].
> 7]And what about the kids? Is Mrs Idiagbon also required to give them up, on
> the basis of religion [afterall, they are far more valuable than temporal
> wealth]?
>

Mrs Idiagbon is not required to give up any of her kids, although I am
not sure of exactly what you mean. If you mean her right to being their
mother that cannot be given up.If you mean CAN they inherit their father
that would depend on their religion. Same rule that applies to wife(ives)
applies to the children.This is assuming they are adults and NOT minors
and are free to choose the religion they want. There is no compulsion
whatsoever for anybody to accept Islam, be it your kids or otherwise.

8]Does the Quran place any responsibility upon the shoulders of a staunch
> muslim who decided to marry a church goer, even if the latter is not
> interested in becoming a muslim?
>

I believe I have already answered this question. a muslim man is allowed
to marry a chaste non-muslim woman.

9]And if Mrs Idiagbon were to 'convert' to islam today, would she have
> access to her husband's wealth? How long would she have to be 'on probation'
> before her 'conversion' is accepted as genuine?
>

The answer the above question would be an empathic "yes".That is provided
she became a muslim at a point in time BEFORE the estate was executed.

10]Is this the best way to get non-muslim spouses convert to islam?

Is Islam ours is a complete way of life. There is no separation between
the mundane and the religious. The believe in one God and that Muhammad
(SAW) is the messenger surpasses even the ties of blood talk less of that
of marriage.

To answer your question above your obvious an erroneous conclusion is that
the purpose if Islam and hence its laws is to win as many converts as
possible. That claim has been refuted in Islam: THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN
RELIGION. In Islam it is only the right to pass the message of Islam to
all humanity that is compulsory. After that message has reached you it is
left for you to decide whether you will ACCEPT it or not.

To follow your reasoning above a husband lives with his wife for some
twenty odds years for example,(I don't know how long Idiagbon was married
to his wife) and he did not succeed in converting her to Islam. Do you
think in all honesty a simple matter of wealth would now change her mind
after he is dead?

As I have mentioned before Islam always seeks to be just an fair. The fact
that she is a non-muslim does not automatically exclude her from his
estate as I have explained above.

>
> I am honestly aching to know, because it baffles me that this unfortunate
> widow is being put through this inhumane treatment by those that should
> support her in her hour of need.
>
> Babs
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> Date of Article: 04/04/99
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> Topic: Idiagbon's Widow Can't Inherit His Property, Says

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> Full Text of Article:
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>
> WIDOW of the former chief of staff, Supreme Headquarters,
> Major-General Tunde Idiagbon, Biodun cannot inherit any of her
> husband's property, an Islamic cleric has declared.
>
> The cleric, Dr. Najimdeen Ishola Raji, the deputy, chief Imam of the
> University of Ilorin mini-campus who gave the declaration stated that
> the religion of Islam prohibited non-moslems inheriting from a
> moslem.
>

> Biodun, Idiagbon's widow, according to the cleric, is a Christian, a
> staunch member of the Redeemed Church family.
>
> Raji in his weekly Jumat Khutbah sermon at the university on
> Friday maintained that following the death of the former number two
> man, none of his immediate dependants who did not profess Islamic
> religion could inherit him.
>
> Raji's comments tallied with investigation by our correspondent that
> the former military strongman might have left the chunk of his will
> for charity.
>
> According to a source, Idiagbon, towards his last days on earth, was
> said to have become concerned on the Christian religious faith of his
> wife and some of his children and had requested clerics to assist him
> spiritually.
>

> The source added that in each meeting with some renown clerics in the

> ancient town, he used to inundate them with his "problem"

> and insisting on a spiritual solution to it from them.
>
> It was reliably gathered that some few weeks to his passage, he
> confessed to close associates that he would dedicate the rest of his
> life to charitable cause.
>

> Meanwhile, condolence messages and visitors continued to pour into
> Ilorin to sympathise with the people of the ancient town on the
> passage of the former soldier.
>
> One of the callers, the Minister of Agriculture and Natural
> Resources, Alhaji Alfa Wali, described Idiagbon as one who dedicated
> his life to the service of the country.
>
> Wali recalled his interaction with the former number two man when he
> served as the permanent secretary in the Federal Ministry of
> Information which was saddled with the promotion of his pet War
> Against Indiscipline (WAI) project, stating that his greatest legacy
> to the country is discipline.
>
> The minister regretted that Idiagbon died at a time when the country
> needed his wealth of experience, adding that as a disciplined and
> patriotic officer, the nation would need his wisdom at the time of
> change of leadership from the military to the civilians.
>
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Alhaji:

The question that is being asked is: Is Nigeria an Islamic country? If
not, as is the case, which law should apply, should Mrs. Idiagbon go to
court? Which law has supremacy in a secular state like Nigeria, the Sharia
or the Nigeria civil law. You dish out these Islamic citations as if
Nigeria is another Taliban/Aghan enclave. Do not forget that the area under
discussion is our dear secular Nigeria and not a muslim country. Under
Nigerian law your citations and their stipulations will not carry the day
if the supremacy of the Nigerian law were to prevail.

Obi Iheduru

At 12:19 AM 4/7/1999 +0300, ADEWUSI SURAJUDEEN ADEDOTUN wrote:
>
>
>Ignorance is not an excuse in law. Marriage, in Islam, is a contract and
>each party is expected to know its terms including inheritance before
>signing it. The fact that a non-muslim can not inherit a muslim, vise
>versa, is not new. In Al-Muwata, under the heading: Inheritance from
>People of other Religions, it is written that:
>
>Yahya related from M alik from ibn Shihab from Ali ibn Husayn ibn Ali
>from Umar ibn Uthman ibn Affan from Usama ibn Zayd that the messenger of
>Allah (PBUH) said: " A muslim does not inherit from a kafir."
>
>
>Yahya related from Malik from Yahya ibn Yasar that Muhammad ibn Al- Ashath
>told him he had a Xtian or Jewish paternal aunt who died. Muhammad ibn Al-
>Ashath mentioned that to Umar ibn Al-khattab(the second caliph) and said
>to him, "Who inherits from her? Umar said to him, " The people of her
>religion inherit from her".
>
>
>So, the Shariah is that a muslim cannot inherit from a non-muslim, vise
>versa, irrespective of the relationship between them. However, Shariah
>makes provisions for this category of people. Allah, the Exalted, says:
>
>
>And to everyone, We have appointed heirs of that (property) left by
>parents and relatives. To those also with whom you have made a pledge
>(non-relatives, brotherhood), give them their due portion (by wills).
>Truly, Allah is ever a witness over all things. Q4.33
>
>
>Non-muslims can be considered as part of those to whom allowed portion of
>the left property can be willed. Or the man, during his lifetime, can give
>whatever he wishes to whomever he wants. But after his death, his property
>will be distributed according to the Shariah. Women are allowed to own
>wealth in Islam, so a muslim who married a non-muslim can give whatever he
>wishes from his wealth to his wife and non-muslim relatives to own before
>his death.
>
>
>A muslim is enjoined to take good care of his wives and relatives, muslims
>and non-muslims alike. But a muslim has no power over his property after
>his death except the portion he is permitted to will. Prophet
>Muhammad(PBUH) was reported to have said that what belongs to a man is the
>food he eat, the money he spent in the course of Allah and the cloths he
>had used such that another person cannot use them again, other things are
>for others to inherit.
>
>
>Islam is fear to all in everything, the problem is that majority of the
>muslims do not follow the Shariah or are not aware of it. Man made law is
>not an option for the Shariah.
>
>
>Surajudeen.
>
>
>

Akin Kumoluyi

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Obi:

where have you been? naija na sectarian country, an Islamic nation for that
matter, we go worship Allah till thy kingdom come! we love our former arab
slave masters. we also support the enslavement of our black Africans in
Sudan.

Akin Kumoluyi.

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To: ADEWUSI SURAJUDEEN ADEDOTUN <g97...@kfupm.edu.sa>; TOA
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Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Idiagbon's widow can't inherit him!!!!

ADEWUSI SURAJUDEEN ADEDOTUN

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Mary

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Obi Iheduru (ihed...@mail.fvsu.edu) wrote:

: The question that is being asked is: Is Nigeria an Islamic country? If

: not, as is the case, which law should apply, should Mrs. Idiagbon go to
: court? Which law has supremacy in a secular state like Nigeria, the Sharia
: or the Nigeria civil law. You dish out these Islamic citations as if
: Nigeria is another Taliban/Aghan enclave. Do not forget that the area under
: discussion is our dear secular Nigeria and not a muslim country. Under
: Nigerian law your citations and their stipulations will not carry the day
: if the supremacy of the Nigerian law were to prevail.

I hope the Nigerian law does prevail. What an embarassment!!!

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ADEWUSI SURAJUDEEN ADEDOTUN

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Obi&co,

Nigeria is not an Islamic country but this does not mean that muslims can
not practise Islam according to the Shariah. As far as I know, Nigerian
law permits individuals to choose between the religious law and the civil
law in issues pertaining to private life, like marriage, inheritance,
e.t.c. And Nigeria law recognises marriage certificates issued by churches
and mosques. Even majority of the public holidays in Nigeria are religious
holidays for muslims and xtians.

I did not say that every Nigerian or every muslim must follow the Shariah.
I have only presented the Shariah on inheretance between muslims and
non-muslim for whoever wishes to know and follow. Religion is an issue
between man and God and there is no compulsion in religion. However, a
true muslim is expected to use Shariah in all aspects of his life whether
he lives in a secular or non-secular country.

What is supreme about Nigerian law? Don't you know that the lawyers and
the judges can be bribed? How many judgements from the courts are obeyed
by government and rich individuals? I beg, stop this propaganda.

On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Obi Iheduru wrote:

> Alhaji:

>
> The question that is being asked is: Is Nigeria an Islamic country? If
> not, as is the case, which law should apply, should Mrs. Idiagbon go to
> court? Which law has supremacy in a secular state like Nigeria, the Sharia
> or the Nigeria civil law. You dish out these Islamic citations as if
> Nigeria is another Taliban/Aghan enclave. Do not forget that the area under
> discussion is our dear secular Nigeria and not a muslim country. Under
> Nigerian law your citations and their stipulations will not carry the day
> if the supremacy of the Nigerian law were to prevail.
>

> Obi Iheduru
>
>
> At 12:19 AM 4/7/1999 +0300, ADEWUSI SURAJUDEEN ADEDOTUN wrote:
> >
> >

Adey Oyenuga

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Hello Taofiq,

Thanks my brother.... BTW, in regards to your response below, I do have
another question. You wrote that: "My auntie's husband was even given a
second wife by his Church......". How so? I hope you are not suggesting
that because they got married in a Church setting, this shows that "his
Church 'gave his second' wife". In short, why hold a Church responsible
for the action of your late uncle(?)?

I would also like to ask why your 'paternal auntie' remained married to
her husband after he converts into Christianity.... After all, you said
that "The Qu'ran explicitly allows Muslim men to marry non-muslim women

WHO ARE NOT IDOL WORSHIPPERS. The converse 'i.e a Muslim woman marrying

a non-muslim man' is NOT ALLOWED in Islam." I know you said that "Islam
is a very practical religion that recognizes the mundane as well as the
Religious". Wouldn't it have been better for your 'paternal auntie' and
her husband to have pathed ways? Hmmmm. Well, I know that Naijamen will
always seek for ways to marry more than ONE WIFE. And it matters not if
they are a Muslim, Christian or 'Idol Worshippers'.

Taofiq, what would have happened if the man (in question) had converted
into 'Idol Worshipping'? Would your paternal auntie then have a genuine
reason to leave?

Again, thanks.

Prince Adey.

p.s.: FYI, I did hear from Shaibu Bala Garba. Glad to know that he is
coping well....

At 10:50 AM 4/7/99 +0300, TOA wrote:
>
>Adey,
>The rationale behind this stipulation is a very simple one.
>
>
>Iin Islam a man is expected to maintain his wife 100%, irrespective of her
>level of wealth when he married her. Tto give you a simple illustration, a
>man marries a wife and she becomes a full-time house wife. You will agree
>with me that she is 100% dependent on her husband. This is what Islam
>assumes.
>
>Now Islam is a very practical religion. It recognizes the mundane as well
>as the religious. It recognizes the fact that if a muslim woman is allowed
>to marry a non-muslim, pressures of day-to-day living however subtle could
>be exerted on her to give up her religion. Her husband in this case will
>have more than enough leverage to do so.
>
>This 'expected' relationship is recipocal, which is why Islam allows
>muslim men to marry non-muslim woman.
>
>
>
>To cite my own personal experience, my paternal auntie married her late
>husband a muslim, but on return from the US after various degrees under
>their belts, the man decided to become a christian.
>Subsequently,the man launched a champaign toh convert everybody under his
>roof. All his children he succeeded with, but my auntie, no.
>
>Their home was converted to a constant battle field. In other to spare the
>children much of the agony all my cousins were sent to boarding school at
>the slightest opportunity. My auntie's husband was even given a second
>wife by his Church in the hope that the first wife would either convert or
>leave. She stayed and remain a muslim to this day although her husband has
>passed away some three or four years ago.
>
>I need to add that one of the reasons my auntie was able to withstand
>such an assault for such a long time was that apart from her faith, she
>was financially independent. She and her husband both come back with
>degrees from the US. She was later to became a high ranking civil servant
>with her own private house and other properties.
>
>Taofiq
>

>
>
>
>On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Adey Oyenuga wrote:
>
>> Hello Taofiq O. Abiola,
>>
>>
>> Good piece.... Thanks for sharing too.
>>
>> I do have a question for you. You wrote: "The Qu'ran explicitly allows

>> Muslim men to marry non-muslim women WHO ARE NOT IDOL WORSHIPPERS. The
>> converse 'i.e a Muslim woman marrying a non-muslim man' is NOT ALLOWED
>> in Islam."
>>

>> Please can you expand on the above?
>>
>> BTW, do you know brother Shaibu Bala Garba, a fellow Netter? In times
>> like this, I do wish he is around to inform/preach to the 'non-Muslim
>> Netters'.
>>
>>
>>
>> Prince Adey.
>>
>> p.s.: Please keep those "THE TENETS OF ISLAM" flowing into the Village
>> Square.
>>
>> It is high time we as Africans stop borrowing other people's ideas and
>> start thinking for ourselves to solve our problems. [Taofiq O. Abiola]

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Adey Oyenuga

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Hello Taofiq,

Thanks again for your response. But I must confess that it does buggle
my mind to have you state that all 'decisions my aunty made were based
entirely on her own judgement....', YET, she had YOU convinced(?) that
the decisions made by her late husband were NOT made by him BUT by his
Church. How conveniently so.... In short, it seems as if your aunt was
able to seperate HER decisions from HER Religious beliefs.... But, she
would rather BLAME her late husband's Religion on his ill-decisions(?).

At any rate, do enjoy your weekend.

Prince Adey.

p.s.
BTW, what's your thoughts on the piece I posted yesterday: "Secularism,
Shari'ah and the Nigerian Constitution". By Dr Banu Az-Zubair.

At 05:46 PM 4/9/99 +0300, TOA wrote:
>
>Prince Adey,
>
>I hope you understand that the decisions my aunty made were based entirely
>on her own judgement and not based on 'strictly' Islamic principles. As
>far as I know, she refused to end the marriage because of her children
>period. I hope that answers your question.
>
>As for holding the Church responsible for the second wife that was her
>interpretation not mine. Her husband became an 'elder' in an aladura
>church and he was 'rewarded' with a Christian wife.
>
>Taofiq

TOA

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Prince Adey,

I hope you understand that the decisions my aunty made were based entirely
on her own judgement and not based on 'strictly' Islamic principles. As
far as I know, she refused to end the marriage because of her children
period. I hope that answers your question.

As for holding the Church responsible for the second wife that was her
interpretation not mine. Her husband became an 'elder' in an aladura
church and he was 'rewarded' with a Christian wife.

Taofiq

On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Adey Oyenuga wrote:

> Hello Taofiq,
>
>
> Thanks my brother.... BTW, in regards to your response below, I do have
> another question. You wrote that: "My auntie's husband was even given a
> second wife by his Church......". How so? I hope you are not suggesting
> that because they got married in a Church setting, this shows that "his
> Church 'gave his second' wife". In short, why hold a Church responsible
> for the action of your late uncle(?)?
>
> I would also like to ask why your 'paternal auntie' remained married to
> her husband after he converts into Christianity.... After all, you said
> that "The Qu'ran explicitly allows Muslim men to marry non-muslim women
> WHO ARE NOT IDOL WORSHIPPERS. The converse 'i.e a Muslim woman marrying
> a non-muslim man' is NOT ALLOWED in Islam." I know you said that "Islam
> is a very practical religion that recognizes the mundane as well as the
> Religious". Wouldn't it have been better for your 'paternal auntie' and
> her husband to have pathed ways? Hmmmm. Well, I know that Naijamen will
> always seek for ways to marry more than ONE WIFE. And it matters not if
> they are a Muslim, Christian or 'Idol Worshippers'.
>
> Taofiq, what would have happened if the man (in question) had converted
> into 'Idol Worshipping'? Would your paternal auntie then have a genuine
> reason to leave?
>
>
> Again, thanks.
>
>
>
> Prince Adey.
>
> p.s.: FYI, I did hear from Shaibu Bala Garba. Glad to know that he is

> coping well.....