Shame on Bakare! Obasanjo Lives!

[Akin Kumoluyi]

Yinka:

You must be the number one of jester of naijanet. You must seriously think
that folks on naijanet are stupid. I cant believe, it is the same Yinka Omo
Adeyemi, that takes netters to his Babalawo in New York to caste spells on
them, for differences of opinions, is preaching sermons on the mountain to
the convert.

Yinka, some of us might be born in the night but it wasnt last nite. Your
chequered pasts will continue to haunt you, no matter on how much you
repackage your image.

Akin Kumoluyi.

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From: Naija...@aol.com <Naija...@aol.com>
To: pak...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca <pak...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>;
naij...@esosoft.com <naij...@esosoft.com>
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Shame on Bakare! Obasanjo Lives!

>In a message dated 5/30/99 10:37:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>pak...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca writes:
>
>> I believe that before you call this man names, you should
>> consider the possibility that the prayers of God's
>> people, reacting to the prophesy, helped to avert the
>> foretold disaster.
>
>
>Patience:
>I accept your theory: maybe prayers intercepted the impending disaster.
Which
>proves my point. Bona fide men of God do not dance during service singing
>"Obasanjo go die; Obasanjo no go see May 29 o". This was what the fella
did.
>I have two witnesses; one a Bakarion; the other her boyfriend who attended
>the service.
>Men of God would warn of a disaster and then call for prayers and fasting
to
>avert it. Not this Bakare guy.
>
>As the son of a church leader, I believe in prophesy. Would you agree with
me
>that if Bakare behaved in the way I have described here, he could not have
>been of God in that instance.
>
>The Book says we must question/investigate (or something like that) all
>things and hold on to that which is true. A good man does not celebrate the
>impending death of another human. He prays for him/her.
>
>Yinka

[Ide ju Ogwugwu]

Yinkus:

As we say in my village, you took the words out of my mouth.
It's the type of born-againism that the likes of Rev. Bakare
and his followers represent that make many Nigerians to go
chrislem. Who wants to lose out evantually if one of the two
is not the real thing? There are many fake prophets and
born-agains in Nigeria. I have always wondered, with all the moslem and
christian "born-agains", evangelicals, and "chari-
smatics" that saturate Nigeria, why is that country the most
corrupt, rotten, and loveless place to live in on earth? Hmmm,
Obasanjo and PDP must pass a new law in the land either making
all churches and mosques in Nigeria to pay federal and state
taxes, whichever applies, or be duely registered as charities
so that their accounts can be annually audited. There are many
quacks in the house of God nowadays. Things cannot continue like this. We
must surely do something if Obasanjo and co are serious
about combating 419, corruption, malpractices and bribery in
Nigeria.

Well, isn't Obasanjo also one of the prophets? He was born again
in the prison, no be so? Nigeria, we hail thee.

Thanks and let's give peace a chance in Nigeria and on Naijanet.

Ide ju Ogwugwu 1 [of my own village only]
----God has turned Bakare's phrophecies into nothingness-------
Prince Adey, is Rev. Bakare also from Ijebu-Remo?
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From: Naija...@aol.com
Subject: Shame on Bakare! Obasanjo Lives!
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:26:21 EDT

Every member of the Church of Latter Day Rain (or Saints or something like
that) should today think of tying that little worm of a 419 preacher,
ex-lawyer Bakare to the stake and stone him.

It was Bakare who publicly said God had revealed to him that Obasanjo would
croak before May 29. He said it during an evening service in Ikeja. He
repeated it in many tabloids. Of course many of us knew the guy was a
charllatan. Because God does not operate that way. Because God is not
interested in the death of sinners, talk less of Obasanjo. And because we
knew that bona fide men of God do not go around sentencing people to death
in the name of God.

Now, people ought to see Bakare for what he is: a phony; a fraud. But there
are still millions of suckers in Nigeria. Watch, many would say that it is
not the day a child curses the Iroko, that the tree falls on him! When you
hear that, please note the false analogy! And call their attention to it.

I hope some enterprising reporter would do an investigation into the life of
Bakare. It would be interesting to know what drove him from law to fakery.

Maybe the same voice that told him Obasanjo would die; the sort of voices
the treat at Aro.
yinka

yinka

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In a message dated 5/30/99 1:16:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ogwu...@hotmail.com writes:

> Obasanjo and PDP must pass a new law in the land either making
> all churches and mosques in Nigeria to pay federal and state
> taxes, whichever applies, or be duely registered as charities
> so that their accounts can be annually audited.

Ike:
Obasanjo and the PDP cannot pass any law; it is not their duty to do. But
your suggestion makes sense. One problem: The state has to be kept away from
the church. Otherwise, the state might take action that would repress certain
churches/mosques to the advantage of others.

It is parishioners who can check quacks like Bakare. Let them speak out. Let
them ask questions.
yinka

[Naija...@aol.com]

In a message dated 5/30/99 1:42:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
kunl...@juno.com writes:

> Thank you, Ms. Akpan. Many of us need to understand how God really
> works.
>
> All the same, I still believe more prayers are needed for Obasanjo. I
> have
> this nasty feeling that forces are out there to take him out.
>

Kunle:
I agree with you that prayers work. Tell us how god REALLY works? Giving a
date when his creation will die? Do yoiu really believe that?

And let me inform you that Bakare did not call for prayers to avert any
disaster regarding Obasanjo. If he did, he would have been acting in the way
of God. He gloated. He celebrated it. Again Kunle, is that how God REALLY
works?

I think not.
yinka

[Naija...@aol.com]

[Naija...@aol.com]

In a message dated 5/30/99 2:43:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, SAMC...@aol.com
writes:

> Folks have always accused you of being a PR person for the Naija Govt.
> Anything you say here on naijanet is viewed under that lense. I believe
you
> have a right to make your living in the area of your training. If doing PR
> job is your calling, then be the best that you can be. If you don't do the
> job, somebody else will readily do it. Now, do you understand what I mean
by
>
> Business? Man must wack ke!

Sam:
Think how silly this sounds. How can you construe a criticism of a phony
prophet PR work for government? Regardless of what you say people say, do
your own thinking. Who hires anyone to point to an obvious fact? What is in
it for government? What government? Obasanjo's that is 43 hours old?

Again, PR is not argument. Infact if you realize it, then it is not PR.
Please use that simple guide. If I were doing PR on you, you'd be the last to
know it. I promise you.
yinka

[Idaraesit Akpan]

Yinka,

 

I believe that before you call this man names, you should

consider the possibility that the prayers of God's

people, reacting to the prophesy, helped to avert the

foretold disaster. The Bible is replete with instances where

the Lord said He was going to wreak some havoc on the

Isrealites, but didn't because of the intervention of the prophets

and/or repentance of the people.  God reveals some of these things

to people, not because they are a fait accompli, but to give us the opportunity

to intercede/intervene. Recall the story of Jonah and the people of Nineveh.

The people heard Jonah's preaching and repented and the disaster was

averted. Jonah got upset that the Lord didn't keep His word to destroy the

Ninevites. But, as you noted in your mail, it's not God's will that anyone

should perish. This is why He gives us the chance to turn from our ways and

accept/return to Him. When we do that, He chooses to forget what we had

done to earn us the death sentence and gives us a clean slate to start afresh.

 

Please note that I am NOT saying Pastor Tunde Bakare was right or wrong.

Rather, what I'm saying is that the fact that Uncle Sege didn't

die, as prophesised, is not enough proof that the pastor was lying, etc.

The more likely possibility is that a lot of people went on their

knees after the "revelation" and interceded for Obasanjo; and that

Obasanjo himself took the prophesy seriously enough to ask for God's

intervention. As the Bible says, "... He hears the prayer of the righteous."

(Prov. 15:29); "If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves

and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear

from heaven ... and will heal their land." (2Ch. 7:14 NIV).

 

Always, God gives us the opportunity to change the course of events

in our life. In fact, this is the whole message of Christianity. God gave us

His son, Jesus Christ, so that in accepting and believing in Him, we can change the "natural course of events" (e.g. the "wages of sin is death." In Jesus Christ,

we have life, and that changes everything -- our death sentence is commuted

to life eternal. To repeat, God will always give us the chance to reverse a lot of

things (may be not all) in our lives. That is the whole purpose of some of these

revelations -- a chance for us to ask for the Lord's direct and specific intervention

in our lives or in the lives of the people we are associated with.

 

That Obasanjo is still alive could be as a result of the "fervent prayers of the righteous,"

rather than evidence that Bakare is a "charlattan." Is Bakare a "phony" in other matters?

That, I can't answer. I've heard him speak a couple of times, including the one time I attended a wedding in his church. I had friends, very smart people, who worshipped at  Latter Rain Assembly (NOT Latter Day Saints) and  whose committment to the Lord was never in question. Were they being misled by a "phony" pastor? That's for the Holy Spirit to reveal to them.

 

Have a blessed Sunday.

 

Patience Akpan -- proud to be one of the "millions of suckers in Nigeria" who believe

that Bakare is not necessarily a "phony" because Obasanjo did not die as prophesied,

but choose, instead, to believe in God's ability to change the course

of events in response to the prayers of His people  -- the millions of Nigerian

Christians who have prayed endlessly these past years for a healing in the land.

....................................

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Naija...@aol.com <Naija...@aol.com>

To: naij...@esosoft.com <naij...@esosoft.com>
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 10:27 AM
Subject: Shame on Bakare! Obasanjo Lives!

[Naija...@aol.com]

In a message dated 5/30/99 10:34:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
SAMC...@aol.com writes:

> Suppose a coup occurs in the near future (may God forbid that) and Obasanjo
> is "Yamutud," will Pastor Bakare then become an anointed one of GOD?
>

Sam:

If Obasanjo dies tomorrow, it would not be because Bakare said so. You miss
my point: Bakare said God told him Obasanjo would not live to see May 29.
Help me understand that. I am a simple man. For me, it is either God never
told this man any such thing or he misunderstood God. There cannot be a
middle road.

I do not believe that God's prophesy ever fails. Unless it is not of God. I
think you ought to agree with me that bead eggs should be weeded out. A man
who gives a date that oour president would die and then celebrates it does
not seem to be the kind of person Sam would associate with. God is not
interested in the death of sinners, as you know.

I am all for a change of profession. There are many people who were making
good living in their profession before accepting the call (and a fall in
standard of living, among other things).

BTW, what business could I be doing here in calling attention to an obvious
fake? If I had to put that sensitive, then I would not utter a word here
since it could be misconstrued as business. Who hires people for such things,
anyway? Only morons would.
yinka

[Ide ju Ogwugwu]

Idaraesit:

I hope that by what you wrote below you are not implying
that you have been on your knees since the prophecy was made
by Bakare. Are you? Do you have any evidence that Obasanjo
himself or his league of friends called for special prayers
to avert the calamity predicted by Pastor Bakare? I don't
want to believe that a person of your stature would even
go to the length you went to give some benefit of doubt to
Bakare's prophecy. Why? How do we even begin to compare what
happened in Palestine many centuries ago to the frauds rampaging
Nigeria in the name of God? Are prophets still arising in
Palestine or Israel?

Jonah and Fish. Sister, the "Jonah and Fish" story never
happened in reality. It's a myth with some moral lessons.
Different versions of the Jonah story abound in other histories
than the Jewish. Go back and look critically at the geography
of the story and tell me if it has any physical validity. Does
it really connect with what we know today about the region in
question? The moral lesson is what is important for mankind. The
Jonah story is like the beautiful poetic drama of Job and God.
It's now become clear that the Job story was a moral legend for building
faith and perseverance in believers. Some of our local
legends could have made it if Judaism started in Nigeria. For
example, check out our creation and tortise stories. Aren't there
beautiful and powerful proses and poems amongst them?

I cannot imagine how any serious believer in God will harken
to what chronic patients of auditory and visual hallucination
like Bakare prophesy. Are we so naive and jelly-hearted as a
people that anything now passes as a message from God? Now,
look at it this way. Obasanjo claims that God has chosen him to
rebuild Nigeria from military ruins. But we know that the ex-
military chieftains selected him to represent them in the new
dispensation. They even had to rig elections very massively to
see their dream through. Is that really the path God showed him
in his vision/dream, if any? Bakare claims that God told him that Obasanjo
would not live to receive the handover baton. Obasanjo
has received the transition baton from Abubakar. The whole world witnessed
it. He's now busy building up his new cabinet. Bakare
is very unlucky. He could not get people to facilitate the fulf-
ilment of his prophecy. Reminds one about the "Long Juju" of Arochukwu. Who
amongst Obasanjo and Bakare actually heard God's
call?

Nigerians should stop distorting God's words for their own selfish
ends. As far as I'm concerned, neither Obasanjo nor Bakare received any
message from God. The spirit of God has left Nigeria for a long
time now. Our country is in spiritual and physical ruins. Until we
say NO to our OLD WAYS, the con artists in our midsts will continue
to prey on our gullibility and greed.

Thanks and let peace reign in Nigeria and on Naijanet.

Ide ju Ogwugwu 1 [of my own village only]

-----------------------------------------

Yinka,

Have a blessed Sunday.

>charllatan. Because God does not operate that way. Because God is not

>interested in the death of sinners, talk less of Obasanjo. And because we
>knew that bona fide men of God do not go around sentencing people to death
in
>the name of God.
>
>Now, people ought to see Bakare for what he is: a phony; a fraud. But
there
>are still millions of suckers in Nigeria. Watch, many would say that it is
>not the day a child curses the Iroko, that the tree falls on him! When you
>hear that, please note the false analogy! And call their attention to it.
>
>I hope some enterprising reporter would do an investigation into the life
of
>Bakare. It would be interesting to know what drove him from law to fakery.
>Maybe the same voice that told him Obasanjo would die; the sort of voices
the
>treat at Aro.
>yinka
>
>yinka

[kunle adegboye]

Thank you, Ms. Akpan. Many of us need to understand how God really
works.

All the same, I still believe more prayers are needed for Obasanjo. I
have
this nasty feeling that forces are out there to take him out.

Kunle Adegboye.

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[Ide ju Ogwugwu]

Yinkus:

I live in the "best country to live in" on earth. As far as
I know (I have been a church committee member for years now),
every church or mosque is required by law or edict to register
as a charity, otherwise the taxman would come after it. Our
church contributions are income tax deductable. I don't know
what obtains in the US of A but, Yinkus, how does the pastor,
imam, and other church workers (those who earn their living
in the Lord's vineyards) or imam pay his/her income tax to
the province and country? Don't you know again the laws guiding charities
over out here?

Therefore, the ruling party in the land has the best advantage
to santize our spiritual sector by enacting a law or an edict
tp protect the citizenry. We need it now more than ever. I hope
that Obasanjo and his ruling PDP can be courages enough (by not
hiding under the so-called separation of church from state) to
curb the corruption, malpractices, and 419 going on in the name
of God in Nigeria.

Otherwise, all other points you added are very valid. We must
start somewhere, don't you agree with me?

Thanks and let's give peace a chance in Nigeria and on Naijanet.

Ide ju Ogwugwu 1 [of my own village only]
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From: Naija...@aol.com
To: ogwu...@hotmail.com, naij...@esosoft.com
Subject: Re: Shame on Bakare! Obasanjo Lives!

[SAMC...@aol.com]

In a message dated 5/30/99 1:55:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
Naija...@aol.com writes:

> Subj: Re: Shame on Bakare! Obasanjo Lives!
> Date: 5/30/99 1:55:42 PM Central Daylight Time
> From: Naija...@aol.com
> Sender: owner-n...@esosoft.com
> To: SAMC...@aol.com, naij...@esosoft.com

Yinkus,

Only God knows whether Pastor Bakare heard from Him or not. Yes, you are very
right, God does not take pleasure in the death of sinners. He wants them to
repent, have a relationship with Him and live.

FYI, I do not know Pastor Bakare or anything about his ministry until a guy
forwarded to the net a sermon he preached. For those who read the Bible and
especially the Old Testament, they will agree with me that God speaks through
his anointed servants and can summarily pass judgements. The case of King
Saul and King David readily comes to mind. You see, our God is a good and
loving God that will readily hear the intercessory prayers of His Saints.

Do you know that God had to destroy a whole Sodom and Gommorah (SG) because
there were less than 10 folks to intercede for that nation. Some folks are
even now saying that God has to explain why He destroyed SG and not America
because of the level of homosexuality and sins commited in this country. I
always countered that we have millions of American Christians praying,
fasting and sowing financial seeds of faith for America.

Why Pastor Bakare will be happy and dancing because of the prophetic doom of
Obasanjo beats my imagination. I sincerely hope you folks got him wrong.

Folks have always accused you of being a PR person for the Naija Govt.
Anything you say here on naijanet is viewed under that lense. I believe you
have a right to make your living in the area of your training. If doing PR
job is your calling, then be the best that you can be. If you don't do the
job, somebody else will readily do it. Now, do you understand what I mean by
Business? Man must wack ke!

Whether you want to believe it or not, from what I've read on this net about
your contributions, folks see you as a Pro PR man. Hey, that's nothing to be
ashamed of if you ask me. I believe that some of the folks that don't like
what you do, will probably wish they are in your shoes and our usual jealousy
rears its ugly head.

Peace.

SamChuks.

[SAMC...@aol.com]

In a message dated 5/30/99 11:28:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
Naija...@aol.com writes:

> Subj: Shame on Bakare! Obasanjo Lives!
> Date: 5/30/99 11:28:48 AM Central Daylight Time
> From: Naija...@aol.com
> Sender: owner-n...@esosoft.com
> To: naij...@esosoft.com

Yinka,

I know a lot of folks that left their trained and chosen profession for the
Ministry of the Gospel of God. The first set of Disciples left their various
trades, training to FOLLOW Jesus. Peter was a great fisherman before he
became Peter the ROCK. Saul was a learned Jew that Persecuted Christians but
was called on his Damascus journey to the Ministry. I know of one Dr. George
Utuk, he has a PHD and was doing very well with the Atlanta School Systems
before God Called Him into Ministry and he now Pastor's a Church in Eatonton
Georgia with an "ALL AMERICAN FLOCK". I know of Brother Johnson Adefila,
trained at the University of Oklahoma to become an Architect, he now Pastor's
a Church in Atlanta Georgia.

Like you always say, you don't have to invent invectives to call a bad dog a
dog.

Many of us continue to Pray for that country called Nigeria. God's ways and
thoughts are higher than man's ways and thoughts. Just like heaven is far
from earth so is God's ways from man's ways. Nobody knows the mind of God
unless through prophecy and His Word discerned with the help of the Holy
Spirit. That's why God is God and shrouded in mystery.

You have your reasons to criticize Pastor Bakare, He may be fake to you, but
I am sure the flock he shepards does not see him that way.

Suppose a coup occurs in the near future (may God forbid that) and Obasanjo
is "Yamutud," will Pastor Bakare then become an anointed one of GOD?

In all things, we Christians pray that GOD's WILL Be Done Always.

As you probably know, I have very low expectations from this Obasanjo's
Administration but we are enjoined to Pray for our leaders. I hope Nigerians
will continue to sow financial seed offerings for the success of Obasanjo's
Govt. That is the least those of us outside Nigeria in comfortable positions
can wish for the less fortunate folks in Nigeria.

Yinka, honestly, sometimes I hate to respond to your writings because I do
not know if you write from the heart or for business purposes. I always want
to think your writings are business motivated. If that is so, then "as you
were."

I am one of your few friends here who believe you must earn a living. I work
for a living and you must do the same.

May Obasanjo live his God ordained life in years, months, weeks, days, hours
and seconds!

Enjoy your Memorial Day weekend.

SamChuks.

[Naija...@aol.com]

In a message dated 5/30/99 10:37:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
pak...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca writes:

> I believe that before you call this man names, you should
> consider the possibility that the prayers of God's
> people, reacting to the prophesy, helped to avert the
> foretold disaster.

Patience:
I accept your theory: maybe prayers intercepted the impending disaster. Which
proves my point. Bona fide men of God do not dance during service singing
"Obasanjo go die; Obasanjo no go see May 29 o". This was what the fella did.
I have two witnesses; one a Bakarion; the other her boyfriend who attended
the service.
Men of God would warn of a disaster and then call for prayers and fasting to
avert it. Not this Bakare guy.

As the son of a church leader, I believe in prophesy. Would you agree with me

that if Bakare behaved in the way I have described here, he could not have