Oil Is The Semen Of The Devil
osama bin KENOBI
Paul Gooding
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> All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers!
Surely, not the Beverly Hillbillies, though?
Paul Gooding
Bubba
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Julian D.
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>All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers!
You don't use plastic? Don't own a car? Never oiled a rusty hinge?
You c'sucker you!
JD
"We need honest, reasoned debate, and not fear-mongering. To those . . .
who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is
this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity
and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies and
pause to America's friends. They encourage people of goodwill to remain
silent in the face of evil."
-- John Ashcroft -
Testifying before congress defending military tribunals and upholding the
Constitution of the United States of America
rAD
Pests like you are his nose hairs.
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F u s t i g a t o r
Mar 2002 16:53:38 -0500, in littera
<421fau8auk789lf3c...@4ax.com> in foro
soc.culture.netherlands (et aliis) vere scripsit quod sequitur:
>All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers!
I hope they spit the semen out after suction, since there is oil in
it, thus money to be earned in selling it.
Fusti
Micky Bitsco
What does that make you who use it?
Townkraaier
says...
A cocksucker's cocksucker ? Kind of like a gentleman's
gentleman...
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noall
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osama bin KENOBI
osama bin KENOBI
osama bin KENOBI
>On Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:53:38 -0500, osama bin KENOBI
><ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote:
>
>>All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers!
>
>
>You don't use plastic? Don't own a car? Never oiled a rusty hinge?
>You c'sucker you!
I was a victim of these oil-dealing cocksuckers, it was never my
intention. I told them to use Hemp to create plastic, but they
wouldn't listen.
osama bin KENOBI
>I guess natural gas must be his farts.
No, the carbonation they put in Coca Cola is his farts.
>Pests like you are his nose hairs.
You are his forked tongue.
osama bin KENOBI
Victims.
Townkraaier
ab...@anarchy.gov says...
Did you also tell coke dealers to sell sugar, and did *they*
listen ? And are you using oil-based plastic now ?
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Bubba
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Townkraaier
ab...@anarchy.gov says...
Maybe, but also someone with a half-ass belief
who caves in under less than ideal circumstances.
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Micky Bitsco
> "Micky Bitsco" <Micky...@YubaWazaHoo.com> said:
> >"osama bin KENOBI" <ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
> >news:421fau8auk789lf3c...@4ax.com...
> >> All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers!
> >What does that make you who use it?
> Victims.
Why hell yes, we are all a bunch of hapless fools who those nasthy old
capitalists have forced into the highest standard of living in the world. It's
just a good thing we have left winger socialist types to come in and fuck that
all up so not even the damnedest fools can be "victims" of capitalism isn't it?
osama bin KENOBI
Which coke dealers? The ones in the CIA, or the independent ones? The
independent ones I have no problems with.
>And are you using oil-based plastic now ?
Yep. Like I said, I have no choice. You see, the US government has
made Hemp illegal a while back, and you can't grow it here. So where
am I supposed to get all-natural hemp plastics to replace all my evil
satan plastic with?
osama bin KENOBI
No, your fucking government made it illegal. That is the beginning and
end of the problem.
osama bin KENOBI
>"osama bin KENOBI" <ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
>> "Micky Bitsco" <Micky...@YubaWazaHoo.com> said:
>
>> >"osama bin KENOBI" <ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
>> >news:421fau8auk789lf3c...@4ax.com...
>> >> All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers!
>
>> >What does that make you who use it?
>
>> Victims.
>
>Why hell yes, we are all a bunch of hapless fools who those nasthy old
>capitalists have forced into the highest standard of living in the world.
The US doesn't have the highest standard of living in the world.
You see, they've got you believing all sorts of silliness.
Next you'll think that we can win a "war on terror", like we won the
"war on drugs".
It's corporate welfare.
>It's
>just a good thing we have left winger socialist types to come in and fuck that
>all up so not even the damnedest fools can be "victims" of capitalism isn't it?
No, oil needs to be eliminated. You think drugs are bad, oil has
already caused a world war, and is close to causing another. I
suppose, as long as there's a profit in it, it's all good, right?
Oh well, when you're dying from smallpox, don't blame "socialist
types" for your problems. Blame the scumbags in Texas who made Amerika
dependent on the devil's cock.
Townkraaier
ab...@anarchy.gov says...
> Townkraaier <townk...@donteventry.hotmail.com> said:
>
> >And are you using oil-based plastic now ?
>
> Yep. Like I said, I have no choice. You see, the US government has
> made Hemp illegal a while back, and you can't grow it here. So where
> am I supposed to get all-natural hemp plastics to replace all my evil
> satan plastic with?
Not being able to get the "good" stuff does not give
you a freeletter to use the "evil". To do so anyway
gives you away as an all-words-but-no-substance
half-ass...eh...what was that term y'all use here...
oh yeah...cocksucker.
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Townkraaier
ab...@anarchy.gov says...
Get real (...that would be the beginning of a solution for you.)
Right now you are not even willing to back up your own words and
you hide behind "the government made me do it". No revolution
has ever been started by people with your (lack of) character.
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Townkraaier
ab...@anarchy.gov says...
> "Micky Bitsco" <Micky...@YubaWazaHoo.com> said:
>
> >"osama bin KENOBI" <ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
> >> "Micky Bitsco" <Micky...@YubaWazaHoo.com> said:
> >
> >> >"osama bin KENOBI" <ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
> >> >news:421fau8auk789lf3c...@4ax.com...
> >> >> All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers!
> >
> >> >What does that make you who use it?
> >
> >> Victims.
> >
> >Why hell yes, we are all a bunch of hapless fools who those nasthy old
> >capitalists have forced into the highest standard of living in the world.
>
> The US doesn't have the highest standard of living in the world.
Pray tell which nation does.
> >It's
> >just a good thing we have left winger socialist types to come in and fuck that
> >all up so not even the damnedest fools can be "victims" of capitalism isn't it?
>
> No, oil needs to be eliminated. You think drugs are bad, oil has
> already caused a world war, and is close to causing another. I
> suppose, as long as there's a profit in it, it's all good, right?
>
> Oh well, when you're dying from smallpox, don't blame "socialist
> types" for your problems. Blame the scumbags in Texas who made Amerika
> dependent on the devil's cock.
Although I am not American I happen to live in Texas.
Exactly which scumbags are you talking about ? Did
you think that America is dependant on Texas oil ??
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Julian D.
<townk...@donteventry.hotmail.com> wrote:
>In article <sgunauk2uumdfqk0a...@4ax.com>,
>ab...@anarchy.gov says...
>> "Micky Bitsco" <Micky...@YubaWazaHoo.com> said:
>>
>> >"osama bin KENOBI" <ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
>> >> "Micky Bitsco" <Micky...@YubaWazaHoo.com> said:
>> >
>> >> >"osama bin KENOBI" <ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
>> >> >news:421fau8auk789lf3c...@4ax.com...
>> >> >> All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers!
>> >
>> >> >What does that make you who use it?
>> >
>> >> Victims.
>> >
>> >Why hell yes, we are all a bunch of hapless fools who those nasthy old
>> >capitalists have forced into the highest standard of living in the world.
>>
>> The US doesn't have the highest standard of living in the world.
>
>Pray tell which nation does.
The UN will never grant us the highest standard of living. They know
we use them as our lapdog, so for punishment, will skew figures. F
them.
>> >It's
>> >just a good thing we have left winger socialist types to come in and fuck that
>> >all up so not even the damnedest fools can be "victims" of capitalism isn't it?
>>
>> No, oil needs to be eliminated. You think drugs are bad, oil has
>> already caused a world war, and is close to causing another. I
>> suppose, as long as there's a profit in it, it's all good, right?
>>
>> Oh well, when you're dying from smallpox, don't blame "socialist
>> types" for your problems. Blame the scumbags in Texas who made Amerika
>> dependent on the devil's cock.
>
>Although I am not American I happen to live in Texas.
>Exactly which scumbags are you talking about ? Did
>you think that America is dependant on Texas oil ??
Tubesteak Morris
> "Micky Bitsco" <Micky...@YubaWazaHoo.com> said:
>
> >"osama bin KENOBI" <ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
> >> "Micky Bitsco" <Micky...@YubaWazaHoo.com> said:
>
> >> >"osama bin KENOBI" <ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
> >> >news:421fau8auk789lf3c...@4ax.com...
> >> >> All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers!
>
> >> >What does that make you who use it?
>
> >> Victims.
> >
> >Why hell yes, we are all a bunch of hapless fools who those nasthy old
> >capitalists have forced into the highest standard of living in the world.
>
> The US doesn't have the highest standard of living in the world.
>
> You see, they've got you believing all sorts of silliness.
>
> Next you'll think that we can win a "war on terror", like we won the
> "war on drugs".
>
> It's corporate welfare.
>
> >It's
> >just a good thing we have left winger socialist types to come in and fuck that
> >all up so not even the damnedest fools can be "victims" of capitalism isn't it?
>
> No, oil needs to be eliminated. You think drugs are bad, oil has
> already caused a world war, and is close to causing another.
Which world war was caused by oil?
WWI: Entangled alliances and bad communication.
WWII: Expansionistic, nationalistic tyrannts.
>I
> suppose, as long as there's a profit in it, it's all good, right?
>
> Oh well, when you're dying from smallpox, don't blame "socialist
> types" for your problems. Blame the scumbags in Texas who made Amerika
> dependent on the devil's cock.
This war isn't being caused by oil. It is being caused by religious
extremism and lust for power. Oil just makes it interesting. By the
way, America's appetite for oil began in Pennsylvania and Ohio, not
Texas.
Dave Zero
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> Townkraaier <townk...@donteventry.hotmail.com> said:
>
> >In article <shgiaus67eofojsgl...@4ax.com>,
> >ab...@anarchy.gov says...
> >> Julian D. <ju...@ersatz.com> said:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:53:38 -0500, osama bin KENOBI
> >> ><ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers!
> >> >
> >> >You don't use plastic? Don't own a car? Never oiled a rusty hinge?
> >> >You c'sucker you!
> >>
> >> I was a victim of these oil-dealing cocksuckers, it was never my
> >> intention. I told them to use Hemp to create plastic, but they
> >> wouldn't listen.
Smoke 'em out first.
> >Did you also tell coke dealers to sell sugar, and did *they*
> >listen ?
>
> Which coke dealers? The ones in the CIA, or the independent ones? The
> independent ones I have no problems with.
Why? CIA coke dealers cut their coke less?
> >And are you using oil-based plastic now ?
>
> Yep. Like I said, I have no choice. You see, the US government has
> made Hemp illegal a while back, and you can't grow it here. So where
> am I supposed to get all-natural hemp plastics to replace all my evil
> satan plastic with?
Grow yer own, homey!
If you REALLY REALLY wanted to make some hemp-based plastics, "Osama", a
chemical engineering degree, a lab, and a bunch of hemp plants later,
and I'll bet you could come up with something.
Dave Zero
Dave Zero
I think YOU'RE the cocksucker around here; certainly you're the one with
the constant obsessing over cocks and cock sucking.
Besides you're fucking stuipid. Who's gonna listen to anything someone
calling himself "Osama" says?
Dave Zero
osama bin KENOBI
>> >who caves in under less than ideal circumstances.
>>
>> No, your fucking government made it illegal. That is the beginning and
>> end of the problem.
>
>Get real (...that would be the beginning of a solution for you.)
>Right now you are not even willing to back up your own words and
>you hide behind "the government made me do it". No revolution
>has ever been started by people with your (lack of) character.
You want facts? Here are your facts:
Henry Ford himself believed that ethanol was the fuel of the future:
http://www.hempcar.org/ford.shtml
More info about Ford, General Motors and Hemp (ethanol):
http://www.globalhemp.com/Archives/Essays/Biofuel/fuel.shtml
Not only could you use hemp for the fuel, you could build the whole
god damn car body out of it:
http://www.electricemperor.com/eecdrom/HTML/EMP/09/ECH09_15.HTM
http://www.chaozation.com/politics/hemp/FordHemp.htm
Here's an article from 1938's Popular Mechanics:
http://www.ratical.org/renewables/hempFN6.html
General Hemp history:
osama bin KENOBI
>
>Pray tell which nation does.
http://across.co.nz/qualityofliving.htm
>> Oh well, when you're dying from smallpox, don't blame "socialist
>> types" for your problems. Blame the scumbags in Texas who made Amerika
>> dependent on the devil's cock.
>
>Although I am not American I happen to live in Texas.
>Exactly which scumbags are you talking about ? Did
>you think that America is dependant on Texas oil ??
Oh it certainly is. Not Texas oil itself, but the corporations that
are based there, who have long since spread their satanic tentacles
throughout the world.
osama bin KENOBI
>> types" for your problems. Blame the scumbags in Texas who made Amerika
>> dependent on the devil's cock.
>
>This war isn't being caused by oil. It is being caused by religious
>extremism and lust for power.
The US wouldn't be involved in the middle-east if it wasn't for oil.
Oh, it's ALL very much caused by oil.
>Oil just makes it interesting. By the
>way, America's appetite for oil began in Pennsylvania and Ohio, not
>Texas.
The powerbase of these satanic criminals is in Texas these days.
osama bin KENOBI
>the constant obsessing over cocks and cock sucking.
When was this?
>Besides you're fucking stuipid. Who's gonna listen to anything someone
>calling himself "Osama" says?
That's how I catch the idiots. See, right away I can tell you're one
of those "patriots", who don't know a fucking thing about what's going
on and merely parrot what they are told to. It's people like you that
enable the thieves in the government to get away with what they're
doing. Which is ripping us all off, and sending us to fight in wars we
should have nothing to do with!
osama bin KENOBI
Face it, hemp is the one thing that can save the Earth. Your
oil-sucking buddies in the middle-east and Texas are just going to
send us all to hell. If it wasn't for oil, there would be no Arab
threat, there would be 10 times as less pollution, and we would have a
few less white-collar criminals running Amerika.
Townkraaier
ab...@anarchy.gov says...
Thanks for the URLs. Interesting reading. But it seems to
me that you did not get my point: You can rant and rave
all you want about hemp being a more responsible basis
for all kinds of everything, and IMO you would be right.
But as long as all the ranters and ravers continue to
use oil-based products there is no incentive for change
on the part of those who make money off oil-based stuff.
So put your money where your mouth is and quit kicking in
doors that are already wide open.
--
Townkraaier
osama bin KENOBI
>> >> intention. I told them to use Hemp to create plastic, but they
>> >> wouldn't listen.
>
>Smoke 'em out first.
Always plant the remaining seeds. Plant it everywhere.
>> >Did you also tell coke dealers to sell sugar, and did *they*
>> >listen ?
>>
>> Which coke dealers? The ones in the CIA, or the independent ones? The
>> independent ones I have no problems with.
>
>Why? CIA coke dealers cut their coke less?
No, the CIA coke dealers put you in prison after stealing your $$$.
Sometimes they just shoot you outright.
>> >And are you using oil-based plastic now ?
>>
>> Yep. Like I said, I have no choice. You see, the US government has
>> made Hemp illegal a while back, and you can't grow it here. So where
>> am I supposed to get all-natural hemp plastics to replace all my evil
>> satan plastic with?
>
>Grow yer own, homey!
It's illegal.
>If you REALLY REALLY wanted to make some hemp-based plastics, "Osama", a
>chemical engineering degree, a lab, and a bunch of hemp plants later,
>and I'll bet you could come up with something.
I don't want to make hemp-based plastics. I'm pointing out what a
farce the Bush administration is.
Townkraaier
ab...@anarchy.gov says...
Here in Houston we have Shell and Texaco HQ. Are they
who you are talking about. Please name the "scumbags".
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Dave Zero
> >> >> I was a victim of these oil-dealing cocksuckers, it was never my
> >> >> intention. I told them to use Hemp to create plastic, but they
> >> >> wouldn't listen.
> >
> >Smoke 'em out first.
>
> Always plant the remaining seeds. Plant it everywhere.
I don't get many seeds, bro.
> >> >Did you also tell coke dealers to sell sugar, and did *they*
> >> >listen ?
> >>
> >> Which coke dealers? The ones in the CIA, or the independent ones?
The
> >> independent ones I have no problems with.
> >
> >Why? CIA coke dealers cut their coke less?
>
> No, the CIA coke dealers put you in prison after stealing your $$$.
> Sometimes they just shoot you outright.
That is unfortunate. I'm fully in support of the CIA putting its
resources behind chasing real criminals - terrorists and the like - and
not the coke sniffing regular dude.
> >> >And are you using oil-based plastic now ?
> >>
> >> Yep. Like I said, I have no choice. You see, the US government has
> >> made Hemp illegal a while back, and you can't grow it here. So
where
> >> am I supposed to get all-natural hemp plastics to replace all my
evil
> >> satan plastic with?
> >
> >Grow yer own, homey!
>
> It's illegal.
So's jaywalking. You gotta live a little.
> >If you REALLY REALLY wanted to make some hemp-based plastics,
"Osama", a
> >chemical engineering degree, a lab, and a bunch of hemp plants later,
> >and I'll bet you could come up with something.
>
> I don't want to make hemp-based plastics. I'm pointing out what a
> farce the Bush administration is.
Oh, well, I can't get with you on that, man, sorry.
Dave Zero
Dave Zero
> >I think YOU'RE the cocksucker around here; certainly you're the one
with
> >the constant obsessing over cocks and cock sucking.
>
> When was this?
I'm sorry, bro - that was someone else I got you confused with. I'd
mistaken some other guy who I was arguing with for you - my apologies.
> >Besides you're fucking stuipid. Who's gonna listen to anything
someone
> >calling himself "Osama" says?
>
> That's how I catch the idiots. See, right away I can tell you're one
> of those "patriots", who don't know a fucking thing about what's going
> on and merely parrot what they are told to.
Wow. You know all that huh? That's pretty good. Don't I read these
newsgroups at least? Don't I get plenty of alternative news sources here
even if nowhere else? Dude, you can call yourself anything you want,
it's just not particularly funny. I know another guy calls himself
"Infek Bin Laden" - and I think that's dumb too. I wouldn't call myself
"Dave Hitler" for a joke or "Steve Stalin" - that's just not that funny.
> It's people like you that
It's sentences that begin this way that cause an awful lot of problems
and are often associated with prejudice, bad judgement, and assumption.
> enable the thieves in the government to get away with what they're
> doing. Which is ripping us all off, and sending us to fight in wars we
> should have nothing to do with!
Who's sending *you* off to fight anywhere?
Dave Zero
Dave Zero
> >> The US doesn't have the highest standard of living in the world.
>
> are based there, who have long since spread their satanic tentacles
> throughout the world.
See, homey, it's not calling yourself Osama that necessarily marks you
as a dipshit, it's comments like "satanic tentacles" here.
osama bin KENOBI
>me that you did not get my point: You can rant and rave
>all you want about hemp being a more responsible basis
>for all kinds of everything, and IMO you would be right.
>But as long as all the ranters and ravers continue to
>use oil-based products there is no incentive for change
>on the part of those who make money off oil-based stuff.
>So put your money where your mouth is and quit kicking in
>doors that are already wide open.
Would you do the same if we stopped using these products?
Ah...I thought so.
So what are you babbling about?
osama bin KENOBI
>someone
>> >calling himself "Osama" says?
>>
>> That's how I catch the idiots. See, right away I can tell you're one
>> of those "patriots", who don't know a fucking thing about what's going
>> on and merely parrot what they are told to.
>
>Wow. You know all that huh? That's pretty good. Don't I read these
>newsgroups at least? Don't I get plenty of alternative news sources here
>even if nowhere else?
Well you don't see to get it yet apparently.
>Dude, you can call yourself anything you want,
>it's just not particularly funny. I know another guy calls himself
>"Infek Bin Laden" - and I think that's dumb too. I wouldn't call myself
>"Dave Hitler" for a joke or "Steve Stalin" - that's just not that funny.
No, Dave Hitler or Steve Stalin is funny, but kind of meaningless. But
Bushladen is both funny (yeah not very) and meaningful. Or maybe DJ
Jam Master Sharafat.
Yeah, it's too bad that such horrible things happen. But maybe if
Amerikans stopped being such apologists for their corrupt leaders
(what the hell is the point of defending these people?), such things
wouldn't happen.
FACT: The CIA and the Bush Dynasty made Bin Laden possible. The CIA
supported Islamic terrorists in Bosnia and Kosovo. Amerika brought
Iraq to power in the war against Iran. All this and more has been
brewing for years. Amerika has engaged in the same kind of "evil" that
the Communists have. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.
All these things keep coming back to haunt us. It is because our
"leaders" sell us out without any regard for the consequences. After
all, war is profitable, they'd like a nice war, they could always
bring in more immigrants to make up for all the dead Americans.
Think of it as temp workers. Or a meat factory.
>> It's people like you that
>
>It's sentences that begin this way that cause an awful lot of problems
>and are often associated with prejudice, bad judgement, and assumption.
You're the one who tried to start some sort of "remember the victims"
rant.
Well, I don't remember the victims because I don't know them
personally. But it would be nice if we could stop such things from
happening in general, and work purely on having a good time.
>> enable the thieves in the government to get away with what they're
>> doing. Which is ripping us all off, and sending us to fight in wars we
>> should have nothing to do with!
>
>Who's sending *you* off to fight anywhere?
Who caused the country to be attacked by terrorists? Who brought about
the addiction to petroleum and gave power to the Arabs? Saddam is
brought into power by Amerika, then when he does as he was taught,
Amerikans complain that he's a "bad guy".
Perhaps were not all being sent off to fight yet, but we will keep
suffering from the US shadow government's foreign policy. The
intelligence agencies, oil companies and industrialists are what is
ruining the country and terrorizing the world.
Townkraaier
ab...@anarchy.gov says...
Yes. As soon as I reasonably can.
> Ah...I thought so.
Well, I am not, like you, a self-proclaimed leader for
this cause.
> So what are you babbling about?
*You* are the babbler, unless you prove yourself to be
a leader for this cause.
--
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osama bin KENOBI
>news:us2sau0b3g93n91nj...@4ax.com...
>> >> >> I was a victim of these oil-dealing cocksuckers, it was never my
>> >> >> intention. I told them to use Hemp to create plastic, but they
>> >> >> wouldn't listen.
>> >
>> >Smoke 'em out first.
>>
>> Always plant the remaining seeds. Plant it everywhere.
>
>I don't get many seeds, bro.
If you're so priviledged, I guess you'll have to spread what you have
among the needy. :^)
>> No, the CIA coke dealers put you in prison after stealing your $$$.
>> Sometimes they just shoot you outright.
>
>That is unfortunate. I'm fully in support of the CIA putting its
>resources behind chasing real criminals - terrorists and the like - and
>not the coke sniffing regular dude.
The CIA gave Bin Laden power, created the KLA, and keeps the VIOLENT
Colombian right-wing cociane dealers in power. You really ought to
reconsider supporting the CIA at all. At least, until they are
reformed.
osama bin KENOBI
osama bin KENOBI
That is a fitting description. You're not supposed take it literally
you know. They're not actual tentacles, it's a metaphor kind of thing.
Like NWO, Illuminati, etc.
Townkraaier
ab...@anarchy.gov says...
Fine. But who else ? Come on, man...I have been
accommodating. Now meet me halfway and name the
rest of the "scumbag companies" that I need to
be on guard for while I live in Houston.
--
Townkraaier
osama bin KENOBI
>
>Yes. As soon as I reasonably can.
No, not when it was already too late and we were all half-dead, but
now.
>> Ah...I thought so.
>
>Well, I am not, like you, a self-proclaimed leader for
>this cause.
Is that what I am?
No, I just don't like getting ripped off and poisoned by some scumbags
who created a market out of something no one needs. I want people to
realize what the source of our various problems are. It's better for
me, it's better for everyone...except those that are currently
profiting from it. They are what holds back progress. Who would want
to lose their market? But if you created a market out of something
that is *destructive to all life on Earth*, do you really have a right
to continue it?
>> So what are you babbling about?
>
>*You* are the babbler, unless you prove yourself to be
>a leader for this cause.
Oh, now I must be the leader? No, all that has to be done is for
people to know the truth so that every time they use their cancer
machines they know they are the ones prolonging the wars in the
middle-east, arming terrorists and killing all life on Earth with
pollution. Then those qualified to lead will get a chance to do so,
without being blackmailed and discredited by the existing tyrants.
Townkraaier
ab...@anarchy.gov says...
Get real, Osama...there is hardly a soul around anymore
who has not heard about alternative fuels and the threat
that oil-based products (and the future shortage thereof
before alternatives are put into production) will cause.
The educational groundwork has been done. Now the world
needs leaders to front the revolution that will knock off
the old and bring in the new.
My only beef with you is that you yell so loud that you
sound somewhat like a revolutionary, when, in reality,
you are just another user of oil-based products.
--
Townkraaier
osama bin KENOBI
>
>Fine. But who else ? Come on, man...I have been
>accommodating. Now meet me halfway and name the
>rest of the "scumbag companies" that I need to
>be on guard for while I live in Houston.
What, are you trying to get me to make an Echelon hotlist? I don't
want to get an envelope full of Anthrax in the mail a week from now.
:^p
How about a nice article instead? Btw, besides what's said in it,
there's alot more connected to all this. Including Enron, Dyncorp (and
by extension, the CIA), the Russian mafia (aka Russian govt/KGB), and
a whole host of others. Oh yes, there is indeed a link between 9/11,
Bin Laden, Enron, Iraq, Israel, and the Bush Dynasty. It is exactly
what I've said: OIL.
Bush family’s dirty little secret:
President’s oil companies funded by Bin Laden family and wealthy
Saudis who financed Osama bin Laden
By Rick Wiles
Copyright: AFN
President Bush recently signed an executive order to freeze the US
financial assets of corporations doing business with Osama bin Laden.
He described the order as a "strike on the financial foundation of the
global terror network.”
"If you do business with terrorists, if you support or succor them,
you will not do business with the United States," said President Bush.
He didn’t say anything about doing business with a terrorist’s brother
– or his wealthy financier.
When President George W. Bush froze assets connected to Osama bin
Laden, he didn’t tell the American people that the terrorist
mastermind’s late brother was an investor in the president’s former
oil business in Texas. He also hasn’t leveled with the American
public about his financial connections to a host of shady Saudi
characters involved in drug cartels, gun smuggling, and terrorist
networks.
Doing business with the enemy is nothing new to the Bush family. Much
of the Bush family wealth came from supplying needed raw materials and
credit to Adolf Hitler’s Third Reich. Several business operations
managed by Prescott Bush – the president’s grandfather - were seized
by the US government during World War II under the Trading with the
Enemy Act.
On October 20, 1942, the federal government seized the Union Banking
Corporation in New York City as a front operation for the Nazis.
Prescott Bush was a director. Bush, E. Roland Harriman, two Bush
associates, and three Nazi executives owned the bank’s shares. Eight
days later, the Roosevelt administration seized two other corporations
managed by Prescott Bush. The Holland-American Trading Corporation
and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation, both managed by the
Bush-Harriman bank, were accused by the US federal government of being
front organizations for Hitler’s Third Reich. Again, on November 8,
1942, the federal government seized Nazi-controlled assets of
Silesian-American Corporation, another Bush-Harriman company doing
business with Hitler.
Doing business with the bin Laden empire, therefore, is only the
latest extension of the Bush family’s financial ties to unsavory
individuals and organizations. Now that thousands of American
citizens have died in terrorist attacks and the nation is going to
war, the American people should know about George W. Bush’s
relationship with the family of Osama bin Laden.
Salem bin Laden, Osama’s older brother, was an investor in Arbusto
Energy. – the Texas oil company started by George W. Bush. Arbusto
means “Bush” in Spanish. Salem bin Laden died in an airplane crash in
Texas in 1988.
Sheik Mohammed bin Laden, the family patriarch and founder of its
construction empire, also died in a plane crash. Upon his death in
1968, he left behind 57 sons and daughters – the offspring he sired
with 12 wives in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan. About a
dozen brothers manage Bin Laden Brothers Construction – one of the
largest construction firms in the Middle East.
Fresh out of Harvard Business School, young George W. Bush returned to
Midland, TX, in the late 1970s to follow his father’s footsteps in the
oil business. Beginning in 1978, he set up a series of limited
partnerships – Arbusto ’78, Arbusto ’79, and so on – to drill for oil.
One of President Bush’s earliest financial backers was James Bath, a
Houston aircraft broker. Bath served with President Bush in the Texas
Air National Guard. Bath has a mysterious connection to the Central
Intelligence Agency.
According to a 1976 trust agreement, Salem bin Laden appointed James
Bath as his business representative in Houston. Revelation about
Bath’s relationship with the bin Laden financial empire and the CIA
was made public in 1992 by Bill White, a former real estate business
partner with Bath. White informed federal investigators in 1992 that
Bath told him that he had assisted the CIA in a liaison role since
1976 – the same year former President George Herbert Walker Bush
served as director of the CIA.
During a bitter legal fight between White and Bath, the real estate
partner disclosed that Bath managed a portfolio worth millions of
dollars for Sheik Khalid bin Mahfouz and other wealthy Saudis. Among
the investments made by Bath with Mahfouz’s money was the Houston Gulf
Airport.
A powerful banker in Saudi Arabia, Mahfouz was one of the largest
stockholders in the Bank of Credit and Commerce International. BCCI
was a corrupt global banking empire operating in 73 nations and was a
major financial and political force in Washington, Paris, Geneva,
London, and Hong Kong. Despite the appearance of a normal banking
operation, BCCI was actually an international crime syndicate
providing “banking services” to the Medellin drug cartel, Pamama
dictator Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein, terrorist mastermind Abu
Nidal, and Khun Sa, the heroin kingpin in Asia’s Golden Triangle.
The BCCI scandal implicated some of the biggest political names in
Washington – both Democrats and Republicans – during the first Bush
White House. The bank was accused of laundering money for drug
cartels, smuggling weapons to terrorists, and using Middle Eastern oil
money to influence American politicians.
The chief of the Justice Department’s criminal division under former
President Bush was Robert Mueller. Because the major players came out
of the scandal with slaps on the wrists, many critics accused Mueller
of botching the investigation. Mr. Mueller was recently appointed by
President George W. Bush as the new Director of the FBI, replacing
Louis Freeh who did nothing while William Jefferson Clinton allowed
the Red Chinese to loot our national security secrets.
The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), a division of the
Justice Department, reviewed allegations by Bill White in 1992 that
James Bath funneled money from wealthy Middle Eastern businessmen to
American companies to influence the policies of the Reagan and Bush
administrations. Robert Mueller, the new FBI chief, was in a senior
position at the Justice Department at the time of the review.
White told a Texas court in 1992 that Bath and the Justice Department
had “blackballed” him professionally and financially because he
refused to keep quiet about his knowledge of an Arabic conspiracy to
launder Middle Eastern money into the bank accounts of American
businesses and politicians.
In sworn depositions, Bath admitted he represented four wealthy Saudi
Arabian businessmen as a trustee. He also admitted he used his name
on their investments and received, in return, a five- percent stake in
their business deals.
Indeed, Texas tax documents revealed that Bath owned five percent of
Arbusto ’79 Ltd., and Arbusto ’80 Ltd. Bush Exploration Company
controlled the limited partnerships, the general partnership firm
owned by young George W. Bush.
Although George W. Bush’s Texas oil ventures were financial failures,
his financial backers recovered their investments through a series of
mergers and stock swaps. He changed Arbusto’s name to Bush
Exploration, then merged the new firm into Spectrum 7 Energy
Corporation in 1984.
The Bush-controlled oil business eventually ended up being folded into
Harken Energy Corp., a Dallas-based corporation. Mr. Bush joined
Harken as a director in 1986 and was given 212,000 shares of Harken
stock. Bush used his White House connections to land a lucrative
contract for the obscure Harken Energy Corp. with the Middle Eastern
government of Bahrain. On June 20, 1990, George W. Bush sold his
Harken stock for $848,000 and paid off the loan he took out to buy his
small share in the Texas Rangers. The Bahrain deal was brokered by
David Edwards, a close pal to Bill Clinton and a former employee of
Stephens Inc. Shortly after Bush sold his stock, Harken’s fortunes
nose-dived when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. Some critics claim
young George was tipped off in advance by his father about the
soon-coming Gulf War.
George W. Bush, however, worked wonders for Harken Energy Corp. before
the stock collapsed. Using the Bush family name, he managed to bring
much-needed capital investment to the struggling firm. George W. Bush
traveled to Little Rock, AR, to attend a meeting with Jackson Stephens
– a powerful Arkansas tycoon who helped bankroll the state campaigns
of young Bill Clinton. He first gained political prominence as a
fund-raiser for President Jimmy Carter. Stephens was also deeply
involved in the BCCI scandal by helping the corrupt bank take control
of First American Bank in Washington, DC.
Jack Stephens didn’t need an introduction to young George W. Bush.
Mary Anne Stephens, his wife, managed Vice President George Bush’s
1988 presidential campaign in Arkansas. Stephens Inc., the well
connected brokerage firm owned by Jack Stephens, donated $100,000 to a
Bush campaign fundraising dinner in 1991. When George W. Bush won the
contested Florida election in 2000, Jack Stephens made a substantial
contribution to the Bush inauguration. Recently, former President
Bush played golf on April 11, 2001, with Jack Stephens at the Jack
Stephens Youth Golf Academy in Little Rock. The former president told
Stephens, “Jack, we love you and we are very, very grateful for what
you have done.”
Perhaps the former president was thanking him for the money Stephens
provided young George W. Bush. Stephens arranged for a $25 million
investment from the Union des Banques Suisses. The Swiss Bank held
the minority interest in the Banque de Commerce et de Placements, a
Geneva-based subsidiary of BCCI.
Both Stephens and Abdullah Taha Bakhsh, a wealthy and well-connected
Saudi real estate investor, signed the financial transaction. The
Geneva transaction was paid through a joint venture between the Union
Bank of Switzerland and its Geneva branch of BCCI.
The BCCI connection, therefore, linked George W. Bush with Saudi
banker Khaled bin Mahfouz. Known in Arab circles as the “king’s
treasurer,” Mahfouz held a 20 percent take in BCCI between 1986 and
1990. Mahfouz is no stranger to the Bush family. He was a big
investor in the Carlyle Group, a defense-industry investment group
with deep connections to the Republican Party establishment. Former
President Bush is a former member of the company’s board of directors.
George W. Bush also held shares in Caterair, a Carlyle subsidiary.
Sami Baarma, a powerful player in the Mahfouz-owned Prime Commercial
Bank of Pakistan, is a member of the Carlyle Group’s international
advisory board.
President Bush certainly is aware of that his former Saudi sugar daddy
is still financing Osama bin Laden’s terrorist network. USA Today
newspaper reported in 1999 that a year after bin Laden’s attacks on US
embassies in Africa, Khaled bin Mahfouz and other wealthy Saudis were
funneling tens of millions of dollars each year into bin Laden’s bank
accounts. Five top Saudi businessmen ordered the National Commercial
Bank to transfer personal funds and $3 million pilfered from a Saudi
pension fund to the Capitol Trust Bank in New York City. The money
was deposited into the Islamic Relief and Blessed Relief - Islamic
charities operating in the US and Great Britain as fronts for Osama
bin Laden.
The Capitol Trust Bank is run by Mohammad Hussein al-Amoudi. His
lawyer is Democratic Party bigwig Vernon Jordan, close friend of
former President Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky.
Abdullah Taha Bakhsh, the Arab who cosigned the $25 million cash
infusion into George W. Bush’s Harken Energy Corporation, appointed
Talat Othman to manage his 17.6 percent share in Harken Energy Corp.
Othman, a native Palestinian, is president and CEO of Dearborn
Financial Inc. – an investment firm in Arlington Heights, IL.
Bakhsh also bought a 9.6 percent stake in Worthen Banking Corporation,
the Arkansas bank controlled by Jack Stephens. Abdullah Bakhsh’s
share was the identical percentage as the amount of shares sold by
Mochtar Riady, the godfather of the wealthy Indonesian family with
close ties to the Chinese communists, Bill Clinton and evangelist Pat
Robertson. Bakhsh is represented by Rogers & Wells, a well-connected
Republican law firm in New York whose partners include former
Secretary of State William P. Rogers.
Independent investigator reporter David Twersky reported in the early
1990s that Othman had a seat on Harken’s board of directors and met
three times in the White House with President George Herbert Walker
Bush. Organized by Chief of Staff John Sununu, Othman’s first meeting
with President Bush at the White House was in August 1990, just days
after Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait.
There exist to this day an Arab-Texas connection. Khalid bin Mahfouz,
financier of both George W. Bush and Osama bin Laden, still maintains
a palatial estate in Houston, TX. Former President George Bush also
lives in Houston. James Bath, Texas political confidant of George W.
Bush, managed to obtain a $1.4 million loan from Mahfouz in 1990.
Bath and Mahfouz, along with former Secretary of Treasury John
Connally, were also co-investors in Houston’s Main Bank. Bath was
also president of Skyway Aircraft Leasing Ltd, a Texas air charter
company registered in the Cayman Islands. According to published
reports in the early 1990s, the real owner was bin Mahfouz. When
Salem bin Laden, Osama’ brother, died in 1988, his interest in the
Houston Gulf Airport was transferred to bin Mahfouz.
Since Osama bin Laden’s bloody attack on America on September 11, the
federal government has moved quickly to freeze bank accounts connected
to Osama bin Laden, Khalid bin Mahfouz, and a host of Islamic
charities.
Perhaps federal agents should freeze the financial assets of the Bush
family too. It would not be the first time Bush-family assets were
seized by the US government for trading with the enemy.
Þor's hammer
werd in soc.culture.netherlands
door citoyen *Townkraaier* (townk...@donteventry.hotmail.com)
het volgende beweerd:
> My only beef with you is that you yell so loud that you
> sound somewhat like a revolutionary, when, in reality,
> you are just another user of oil-based products.
>
There is only one good oil-solution. We have to name oil on the right way:
OOROOBOOROO. (Oeroeboeroe)
--
Niek Holtzappel (Ravachol) Homepage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~nholtz
For replying: Remove 'TAKE' and 'AWAY' from 'Reply-To:' address.
"De overheid is een handelaar in gestolen goederen, en elke verkiezing
is een soort van geavanceerde veiling van die goederen" (H.L. Mencken)
Race is Real
Hemp, while providing great advantages in fibrous and textile materials,
requires too much processing to derive from it replacement oils for all
petrochemical-based needs. While I support moving beyond oil in word and
deed, I think we need a less unmeasured response than "Hemp will solve all
the world's problems." Sounds like WoSD propaganda.
"Townkraaier" <townk...@donteventry.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.171c0caf1...@news.earthlink.net...
osama bin KENOBI
>> people to know the truth so that every time they use their cancer
>> machines they know they are the ones prolonging the wars in the
>> middle-east, arming terrorists and killing all life on Earth with
>> pollution. Then those qualified to lead will get a chance to do so,
>> without being blackmailed and discredited by the existing tyrants.
>
>Get real, Osama...there is hardly a soul around anymore
>who has not heard about alternative fuels and the threat
>that oil-based products (and the future shortage thereof
>before alternatives are put into production) will cause.
>The educational groundwork has been done. Now the world
>needs leaders to front the revolution that will knock off
>the old and bring in the new.
>
>My only beef with you is that you yell so loud that you
>sound somewhat like a revolutionary, when, in reality,
>you are just another user of oil-based products.
Yeah, maybe I should go join ELF, that might be more productive.
osama bin KENOBI
>Oil-based products at the current time represent a more viable solution.
>
>Hemp, while providing great advantages in fibrous and textile materials,
>requires too much processing to derive from it replacement oils for all
>petrochemical-based needs. While I support moving beyond oil in word and
>deed, I think we need a less unmeasured response than "Hemp will solve all
>the world's problems." Sounds like WoSD propaganda.
I am well aware the right-wing has its roots in Texas oil.
osama bin KENOBI
War crimes court pits United States against the world
From James Bone in New York
(RA) THE United States will be put on a collision course with the rest
of the world today when at least seven countries gather for a ceremony
at the United Nations that will trigger the creation of the world’s
first permanent international criminal court.
After the statute of the new International Criminal Court was adopted
in Rome in 1998, diplomats believed that it could take up to two
decades to get the 60 ratifications needed for the new court to come
into being.
However, with Washington isolated in its opposition to the proposed
new permanent war crimes tribunal in The Hague, other countries have
been stampeding to show their support.
Bosnia, Bulgaria, Cambodia, Ireland, Mongolia, Romania, and Slovakia
have all signalled their intention to deposit articles of ratification
today, which would push the Rome treaty over the threshold for the
court to come into existence. Niger, Jordan and the Democratic
Republic of Congo have also promised to ratify soon. Britain has
ratified the treaty. From today Greece will be the only European Union
nation not to have ratified.
“That is exceeding our expectations,” Philippe Kirsch, the Canadian
chairman of preparatory negotiations, said. “When we finished the
conference in Rome, the pessimists were saying 20 years and the
optimists were saying ten years. We will be under four years.”
The result is that the Rome treaty will come into effect on July 1.
After that date, war criminals will be subject to the jurisdiction of
the court. The court itself is expected to be up and running in
offices already set aside in The Hague in the first three months of
next year.
“The court has the potential to be the most important human rights
instrument created in the last 50 years,” Richard Dicker, of Human
Rights Watch, said. “Building on Nuremberg, building and carrying
further the work of the Yugoslav and Rwanda tribunals, the court will
limit the gross impunity of the Pinochets, Saddam Husseins and Pol
Pots of the future.”
In a significant rift with its European allies, the Bush
Administration rejects the jurisdiction of the court and is actively
considering withdrawing former President Clinton’s signature from the
Rome treaty.
Republican politicians have floated a variety of possible retaliatory
measures in Congress, including one proposal that the United States be
willing to use force to free any American held by the court.
Washington fears that the new court does not have adequate safeguards
to prevent political prosecutions of American soldiers captured
abroad. But US servicemen will still be subject to the court’s
jurisdiction if their alleged offences take place on the territory of
a nation that has ratified the treaty.
Iraq has not yet signed the treaty, but if it were to ratify it, US
soldiers participating in any alleged war crimes on Iraqi soil could
be liable to prosecution by the new court.
Israel, which followed the American lead in signing but not ratifying
the treaty, could face similar risk in military actions against any
Arab neighbours that ratify the treaty. Jordan is the only Arab
country whose ratification is considered imminent and there is legal
controversy about whether Palestinians could accede to it.
The court’s proponents insist that it will act as a judicial, and not
a political, body. Under the principle of complementarity, the court
will act only when national legal systems are unwilling or unable to
do so. Prosecutions can be initiated only by the UN Security Council,
by a state-party or by an elected prosecutor, who must vet all
decisions with a pre-trial chamber.
osama bin KENOBI
Boom in illicit transplants from Third World forces medical community
to confront an age-old taboo
By Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor
In matters of life and death, the law counts for little. A man or
woman confronting their own mortality will acknowledge few restraints
on their behaviour. That is why the trade in human organs is booming.
Doctors around the world report that wealthy individuals with kidney
disease are travelling in increasing numbers to countries where they
can buy kidneys on the black market, despite the international ban on
trafficking in human organs.
Patients from Britain, America and the Middle East are among those who
have benefited from the growing trade, focused on countries where
poverty is endemic including India, Iraq and eastern Europe.
Now kidney specialists who have in the past condemned the trade are
suggesting that payments to living donors, controlled in such a way as
to avoid exploitation (see box), may be the only way to solve the
global shortage of human organs. One of the greatest of all medical
taboos – the sale of body parts – is being openly proposed for the
first time.
The proposal is that the ban on individuals buying and selling organs
should remain. Instead, governments could invite living donors to
offer kidneys in return for payment. The organs would be donated to a
"pool" and allocated to the most suitable recipient. Donor safety
would be assured by screening.
Governments could have an interest in such a scheme because of the
huge cost of dialysis – at £20,000 to £30,000 a year, double the cost
of maintaining a transplant patient for a worse quality of life.
British specialists plan to raise the issue at the international
meeting of transplant surgeons in Miami in September, even though they
remain opposed. John Forsythe, secretary of the British Transplant
Society, said: "Dis- cussions have taken place in the US because of
the shortage of organs. At the Miami symposium we are stating it in
the negative – that it is wrong to permit the sale of organs for
transplant – but we want to enable an open debate."
Writing in The Lancet this month, Hans Schlitt, of the department of
transplantation surgery at Hanover Medical School, Germany, said the
big risk of the scheme was that it could promote "donation tourism" if
governments in different countries offered different rates of payment.
Mr Forsythe said: "It is an attempt to make things better for the
donor but I find it distasteful. There is always a worry when money
changes hands that the rich gain over the poor, the strong over the
weak and the ethnic majority over the ethnic minority. Discussions are
taking place in the US but all the debate here in the UK, both formal
and informal, has been against."
In Britain there are 7,000 patients waiting for a kidney transplant
and 3,000 operations each year. The number of kidneys available has
been falling because safer roads have led to a steep decline in fatal
accidents, one of the main sources of cadaver organs. The growing
recognition that kidneys taken from living donors are more successful,
doubling life expectancy to 20 years, is also driving the trade.
Geoff Koffman, kidney transplant surgeon at Guy's and St Thomas' NHS
Trust, said: "People from here go to the Indian sub-continent to buy
kidneys. They always have and when they get back we have to look after
them."
Five years ago, an undercover reporter with the News of the World
described how he was offered £10,000 for a kidney after posing as an
asylum-seeker and answering an advert in an Asian-language newspaper
placed by a 70-year-old businessman seeking a kidney for his wife.
Two years ago Mick Taylor, 26, a dialysis patient from Halifax,
Yorkshire, who won £4.1m on the National Lottery, was inundated with
offers after he said at a news conference that he would swap his
winnings for a new kidney.
The sale of organs was banned in Britain in 1989, after three doctors
offered kidney transplant operations using paid Turkish donors. The
doctors were struck off the medical register.
In Israel the trade in body parts is now openly tolerated. Michael
Friedlaender, a transplant surgeon at Hadassah University Hospital in
Jerusalem, described in The Lancet this month how Arab dialysis
patients from the occupied West Bank had been unable to get treatment
in Jerusalem and turned instead to India and Iraq.
Word spread and Arab patients in Jerusalem began following their West
Bank neighbours to Iraq, where the $7,000 (£5,000) cost of a
transplant was about half that in India. Jewish patients then realised
Arab patients were being treated – but for Jews to travel to Iraq was
not safe.
Instead, according to Mr Friedlaender, the Rabin Medical Centre in
Petah Tikva circumvented Israeli law by flying patients and surgeons
to countries where paid living donors could be found, including
Turkey, Russia and Romania.
The Israeli Ministry of Defence has now "semi-officially" recognised
the trade – it is responsible for veterans' health costs – and
insurance companies have refunded the patients. Mr Friedlaender
writes: "My attitude to the organ trade has slowly mellowed and
changed ... the paternalistic role of doctors in which they make all
the decisions for others is long outdated." He says legislation is
needed or the trade will continue to grow and be run by criminal
gangs, exposing patients and donors to greater risks.
India
For years it has been the biggest centre for commercial kidney
transplants.
China
Organs from executed prisoners have been sold to medical visitors from
Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore.
Brazil
The sale of kidneys between private individuals who may pretend to be
relatives is widely known and tolerated by some doctors.
Iran
The government is considering a state-run scheme to pay donors, pool
organs and match them with appropriate recipients.
Iraq
Organ sales are thriving since the 1991 Gulf War, with wealthy Arabs
from the West Bank in Israel who can no longer get treatment in
Jerusalem.
Turkey
A surgeon in Istanbul had a lucrative trade as late as last year
recruiting poor donors and selling their kidneys to wealthy clients.
osama bin KENOBI
[Original headline: 'Shenguang II' Super Laser developed in Shanghai]
In an area as large as a football ground, the newly developed
"Shenguang (magic rays) II" super laser, which consists of over a
hundred optical apparatuses, is able to emit gigantic energy equal to
that of a global electricity network in a spark of one billionth of a
second, creating a physical phenomenon which is likely to be found
only at the centre of a nuclear explosion, the rim of black hole or
inside a star.
Situated at theShanghai Institute of Optics and Fine Mechanics,
Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS), the super laser, by sending out
tremendous energy in a very short time, could give out extreme
pressure and high temperature to trigger off fusion reaction.
By providing extreme physical conditions the laser is to be used in
scientific experiments, and is of great significance to basic
researches, hi-tech applications and the development of new technology
for national defence.
"Shenguang" has a promising prospect, expert says, because nuclear
fusion holds out the hope of clean energy in future years. By the
middle of this century scientists, as expected, would be able to use
laser-produced fusion to turn rich deuterium and tritium in seawater
into great and endless energy. Completion of "Shenguang II" marks a
step forward made by China towards obtaining energy from seawater.
By the successful development of "Shenguang II", China has planted
itself in the world forefront of laser studies. For the moment, such
huge and precise optical apparatus can only be made in a few countries
such as the USA and Japan, and the general technological performance
of "Shenguang II" has entered the rank of world top 5.
百tory originally published by:
osama bin KENOBI
corruption is not just a violation of the law, not just an economic
disadvantage, and not merely a political problem, but that it is
morally wrong.…It is now widely recognized that the consequences of
corruption can be devastating: devastating to economies, devastating
to the poor, devastating to the legitimacy and stability of government
and devastating to the moral fabric of society.” -- John Ashcroft, The
Hague, May 2001
That's right you two-faced asshole...and hypocrisy is ten times worse!
Klinton, Bush and Cheney all belong in jail! That's just the tip of
the iceberg. Better start doing something soon, before Amerika becomes
the next USSR.
Not laughing nearly as loud about this as you did two years ago, are
you? Starting to get a bit nervous?
That's because it IS happening! Wake up!
Julian D.
JD
"We need honest, reasoned debate, and not fear-mongering. To those . . .
who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is
this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity
and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies and
pause to America's friends. They encourage people of goodwill to remain
silent in the face of evil."
-- John Ashcroft -
Testifying before congress defending military tribunals and upholding the
Constitution of the United States of America
Paul Gooding
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> Surgeons call for legalised trade in body parts
> Boom in illicit transplants from Third World forces medical community
> to confront an age-old taboo
> By Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor
>
> In matters of life and death, the law counts for little. A man or
> woman confronting their own mortality will acknowledge few restraints
> on their behaviour. That is why the trade in human organs is booming.
>
> Doctors around the world report that wealthy individuals with kidney
> disease are travelling in increasing numbers to countries where they
> can buy kidneys on the black market, despite the international ban on
> trafficking in human organs.
>
> Patients from Britain, America and the Middle East are among those who
> have benefited from the growing trade, focused on countries where
> poverty is endemic including India, Iraq and eastern Europe.
>
> Now kidney specialists who have in the past condemned the trade are
> suggesting that payments to living donors, controlled in such a way as
> to avoid exploitation (see box), may be the only way to solve the
> global shortage of human organs. One of the greatest of all medical
> first time.
>
> The proposal is that the ban on individuals buying and selling organs
> should remain. Instead, governments could invite living donors to
> offer kidneys in return for payment. The organs would be donated to a
> "pool" and allocated to the most suitable recipient. Donor safety
> would be assured by screening.
>
> Governments could have an interest in such a scheme because of the
> of maintaining a transplant patient for a worse quality of life.
>
> British specialists plan to raise the issue at the international
> meeting of transplant surgeons in Miami in September, even though they
> remain opposed. John Forsythe, secretary of the British Transplant
> Society, said: "Dis- cussions have taken place in the US because of
> the shortage of organs. At the Miami symposium we are stating it in
> transplant - but we want to enable an open debate."
>
> Writing in The Lancet this month, Hans Schlitt, of the department of
> transplantation surgery at Hanover Medical School, Germany, said the
> big risk of the scheme was that it could promote "donation tourism" if
> governments in different countries offered different rates of payment.
>
> Mr Forsythe said: "It is an attempt to make things better for the
> donor but I find it distasteful. There is always a worry when money
> changes hands that the rich gain over the poor, the strong over the
> weak and the ethnic majority over the ethnic minority. Discussions are
> taking place in the US but all the debate here in the UK, both formal
> and informal, has been against."
>
> In Britain there are 7,000 patients waiting for a kidney transplant
> and 3,000 operations each year. The number of kidneys available has
> been falling because safer roads have led to a steep decline in fatal
> accidents, one of the main sources of cadaver organs. The growing
> recognition that kidneys taken from living donors are more successful,
> doubling life expectancy to 20 years, is also driving the trade.
>
> Geoff Koffman, kidney transplant surgeon at Guy's and St Thomas' NHS
> Trust, said: "People from here go to the Indian sub-continent to buy
> kidneys. They always have and when they get back we have to look after
> them."
>
In the US, osama bin KENOBI waits desperately for a brain donor.
Last Crusade
> >the iceberg. Better start doing something soon, before Amerika becomes
> >the next USSR.
Amerika is USSA (USSR) already and has been since the assassination of
JFK. It was a matter of time before the office of the Presidency would
be taken over by the communists, and that event happened in 1963.
Last Crusade
Ego-dormio, et cor meum vigilat
Joris van Oostveen
in <a8d690a2.02041...@posting.google.com>:
>> >Klinton, Bush and Cheney all belong in jail! That's just the tip of
>> >the iceberg. Better start doing something soon, before Amerika becomes
>> >the next USSR.
>
>Amerika is USSA (USSR) already and has been since the assassination of
>JFK. It was a matter of time before the office of the Presidency would
>be taken over by the communists, and that event happened in 1963.
>
So that Vietnam-thing was communist against communist? Good to know.
>Last Crusade
>Ego-dormio, et cor meum vigilat
It is:
Oeroeboeroe !!
Joris
JonJones
jvo...@xs4all.nl says...
> On 12 Apr 2002 08:53:24 -0700, JS...@hot-email.net (Last Crusade) wrote
> in <a8d690a2.02041...@posting.google.com>:
>
> >> >Klinton, Bush and Cheney all belong in jail! That's just the tip of
> >> >the iceberg. Better start doing something soon, before Amerika becomes
> >> >the next USSR.
> >
> >Amerika is USSA (USSR) already and has been since the assassination of
> >JFK. It was a matter of time before the office of the Presidency would
> >be taken over by the communists, and that event happened in 1963.
> >
> So that Vietnam-thing was communist against communist? Good to know.
Shows you just how far those commies will go to deceive
people. Why they even bankrupted themselves in the USSR
just to lull us to sleep so they can take over.
Jon with tongue firmly in cheek Jones
Leo Sgouros
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LOTS of sleeper agents helped :-) So many sleepers slept so long, one would
wonder why they finally got the manchurian candidate phonecall, or who even
remembered lol
Joris van Oostveen
<MPG.1720e0124...@news.tn.comcast.giganews.com>:
Sure.
Dream on.
>
>Jon with tongue firmly in cheek Jones
Oeroeboeroe !!
Joris
JonJones
jvo...@xs4all.nl says...
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:18:32 GMT, JonJones <JonJ...@aol.com> wrote in
> >> So that Vietnam-thing was communist against communist? Good to know.
> >
> >Shows you just how far those commies will go to deceive
> >people. Why they even bankrupted themselves in the USSR
> >just to lull us to sleep so they can take over.
>
> Sure.
>
> Dream on.
> >
> >Jon with tongue firmly in cheek Jones
Sorry, I used a U.S. idiom. "Tongue in cheek" means I was
kidding, i.e., not serious. [niet voornaam?]
osama bin KENOBI
mistake of signing on to the ICTY, mistakenly thinking that this court
actually stood for law and justice. What a mistake that was...
War Crimes Court Created Over Fierce U.S. Objection
By Colum Lynch
Special to The Washington Post
UNITED NATIONS, April 11 -- The world's first permanent war crimes
tribunal was officially launched today despite fierce opposition from
the United States, as the 1998 treaty establishing the International
Criminal Court received more than the 60 government ratifications
required for its creation.
"The long-held dream of a permanent international criminal court will
now be realized," U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan said in Rome,
where the 1998 treaty was negotiated after the bloody ethnic conflicts
in the Balkans and the genocide in Rwanda. "Impunity has been dealt a
decisive blow."
The Bush administration reiterated its resistance to the treaty and
said once again that it will not send it to the Senate for
ratification. China and Russia also have not ratified the accord.
"It has a number of fundamental problems," State Department spokesman
Phil Reeker said. "It purports to assert jurisdiction over nationals
of states not party to the treaty, contrary to the most basic
principles of customary international law governing treaties."
The administration fears that the court might carry out frivolous
trials against U.S. soldiers engaged in overseas combat or
peacekeeping missions. It plans to announce in the coming weeks steps
it intends to take to ensure that the court's jurisdiction does not
extend to U.S. citizens.
The United States boycotted a ceremony at U.N. headquarters at which
delegates from 10 countries -- Bosnia, Bulgaria, Cambodia, Congo,
Ireland, Jordan, Mongolia, Niger, Romania and Slovakia -- deposited
instruments of ratification, bringing to 66 the number of countries
that have approved it.
The court, which will be based in The Hague, will have the authority
to prosecute crimes committed after July 1, when the treaty formally
enters into force. It will have jurisdiction over people charged with
war crimes, crimes against humanity or genocide, if their governments
are unwilling or unable to try them.
The two existing U.N. tribunals for Bosnia and Rwanda will continue
their work prosecuting dozens of war crimes suspects, including former
Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic, independent of the new court.
The treaty establishing the international court was signed by 139
countries, including the United States, during the Clinton
administration. But President Bill Clinton never sought ratification
because of congressional opposition, and the Bush administration is
considering nullifying the U.S. signature.
The United States' boycott of the treaty has put it at odds with some
of its closest allies, including Britain, France, Canada and Germany.
A broad coalition of human rights and legal organizations criticized
the Bush administration for opposing the court.
"The International Criminal Court is potentially the most important
human rights institution created in 50 years," said Richard Dicker, an
expert on the court at Human Rights Watch. "It will be the court where
Saddam Husseins, Pol Pots and Augusto Pinochets of the future are held
to account."
European nations lauded the court's creation as the most significant
strike against war criminals in a century. They appealed to the United
States and others to ratify it.
"International established law should also apply to large nations. For
this reason it is unacceptable that the United States, China and
Russia are still standing apart," German Justice Minister Herta
Daeubler-Gmelin said.
French President Jacques Chirac said the new court will bolster the
achievements of the U.N. war crimes tribunals for Rwanda and the
former Yugoslavia. "Starting now, all those who might be inclined to
engage in the madness of genocide or crimes against humanity will know
that nothing will be able to prevent justice," he said.
Pierre-Richard Prosper, the U.S. ambassador at large for war crimes,
said that the goal of an international tribunal is "noble" but that it
would be better to help governments enhance their own judicial
capacities to try war criminals on their own soil.
He cited a new U.N. war crimes court in Sierra Leone, which includes
foreign and local prosecutors, as a model for pursuing war criminals
in countries where the local court is incapable of doing the job
alone.
Prosper said the Bush administration will have to review its
status-of-forces agreement governing the deployment of U.S. forces in
as many as 100 countries to ensure that they will not be surrendered
to the court. But he did not rule out that Washington might one day
decide to cooperate with the court.
"The level of U.S. cooperation with the ICC in the future is a matter
of speculation," he said. "But what I can say is that our intention is
to be divorced from the process and play no role in it. The ICC is not
the end-all be-all of accountability for atrocities as they occur
around the world."
David Polansky
development and represents a great step forward in making the planet safer
from butchers like Milochevic and Sharon. A couple of rouge states refuse to
ratify because of their current involvement in human rights abuse, but they
can't defy the will of the international community for ever.
Kangoroo courts? A lot of BS. In the name of national security thousands are
being detained in the US on the basis of secret evidence that even the
judges can't look at. There is Kangoroo courts for you.
Nations and peoples all around the world apploud this great achievement.
Those who believe in state terrorism are fuming that they won't be able
continue with their bloody agenda with impunity in the future.
Let them fume.
/polanski
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Joris van Oostveen
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I know. So was I.
> [niet voornaam?]
Niet serieus. "Voornaam" means "distinguished", "important".
With the stress on the other syllable the following two words are also
"voornamen":
Oeroeboeroe !!
Joris
Osama Bin KEN0B1
>The new permanent international criminal court is a long awaited
>development and represents a great step forward in making the planet safer
>from butchers like Milochevic and Sharon.
What about Butchers like Bill Klinton and George Bush (both of them)?
>A couple of rouge states refuse to
>ratify because of their current involvement in human rights abuse, but they
>can't defy the will of the international community for ever.
Rogue states like Amerika. And who is going to tell Amerika to
recognized this court?
>Kangoroo courts? A lot of BS. In the name of national security thousands are
>being detained in the US on the basis of secret evidence that even the
>judges can't look at. There is Kangoroo courts for you.
That's right. And if the Hague and the new court was any better, they
would hold the Amerikans to task for all their crimes.
>Nations and peoples all around the world apploud this great achievement.
Many nations applauded Facism. Many nations applauded Communism. This
is a combination of both.
>Those who believe in state terrorism are fuming that they won't be able
>continue with their bloody agenda with impunity in the future.
They're fuming that these courts are biased!
Osama Bin KEN0B1
By Tabassum Zakaria (edited by OBK)
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The CIA is receiving a "huge" increase in
"anti-terrorism" funds this year, Senate Intelligence Committee Vice
Chairman Richard Shelby said on Wednesday.
The CIA's budget is classified (and illegal), but is estimated by
intelligence experts to be roughly $3 billion a year (not including
funds collected from the drug and weapons trade), which is about 10
percent of the overall intelligence budget that also funds programs in
the Defense Department and other agencies (but still doesn't account
for other black project funding).
Emperor Bush has requested $27 billion more this year in a
supplemental budget to "fight terrorism" that includes funding for
Pentagon, CIA, homeland security programs, and other "faith based
initiatives".
Congress was expected to consider that budget request over the next
few weeks. The United States launched a "war on terrorism" after the
Sept. 11 attacks.
"This year the agency is about to receive a huge new infusion of funds
to help fight the war on terrorism which we all support," Shelby, an
Alabama Republican, said at a nomination hearing for CIA comrade
colonel inspector uberfuhrer.
Shelby pointedly made the statement to nominee John Helgerson while
reciting past criticism of the CIA's financial management and illegal
activity.
Helgerson said if he were confirmed by the Senate as the spy agency's
third comrade colonel inspector uberfuhrer, one area he would focus on
would be the CIA's procurement and acquisition process for information
technology, information systems, and psychotropic weaponry.
"This is an area that frankly in any government agency is ripe for
waste, fraud and abuse," he told the committee.
"I am mindful that the CIA has received and will be receiving
significant additional funds," Helgerson said. "A great deal of these
monies are spent with illegal overseas operations," and he would
pretend to work to strengthen field audits, he said.
Helgerson's nomination was not considered controversial and approval
by the Senate Intelligence Committee was expected, whether anyone
liked it or not. His nomination would then go before the full Senate
for a vote which wouldn't make any difference anyway.
Osama Bin KEN0B1
The US wants to depose the diplomat who could take away its pretext
for war with Iraq
By George Monbiot.
Published in the Guardian 16th April 2002
On Sunday, the US government will launch an international coup. It has
been planned for a month. It will be executed quietly, and most of us
won't know what is happening until it's too late. It is seeking to
overthrow 60 years of multilateralism, in favour of a global regime
built on force.
The coup begins with its attempt, in five days' time, to unseat the
man in charge of ridding the world of chemical weapons. If it
succeeds, this will be the first time that the head of a multilateral
agency will have been deposed in this manner. Every other
international body will then become vulnerable to attack. The coup
will also shut down the peaceful options for dealing with the chemical
weapons Iraq may possess, helping to ensure that war then becomes the
only means of destroying them.
The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW)
enforces the Chemical Weapons Convention. It inspects labs and
factories and arsenals and oversees the destruction of the weapons
they contain. Its director-general is a workaholic Brazilian diplomat
called Jose Bustani. He has, arguably, done more in the past five
years to promote world peace than anyone else on earth. His inspectors
have overseen the destruction of two million chemical weapons and
two-thirds of the world's chemical weapon facilities. He has so
successfully cajoled reluctant nations that the number of signatories
has risen from 87 to 145 in the past five years: the fastest growth
rate of any multilateral body in recent times.
In May 2000, as a tribute to his extraordinary record, Bustani was
re-elected unanimously by the member states for a second five-year
term, even though he had yet to complete his first one. Last year
Colin Powell wrote to him to thank him for his "very impressive" work.
But now everything has changed. The man celebrated for his remarkable
achievements has been denounced as an enemy of the people.
In January, with no prior warning or explanation, the US State
Department asked the Brazilian government to recall him, on the
grounds that it did not like his "management style". This request
directly contravenes the Chemical Weapons Convention, which states
"the Director-General ... shall not seek or receive instructions from
any government." Brazil refused. In March, the US government accused
Bustani of "financial mismanagement", "demoralization" of his staff,
"bias" and "ill-considered initiatives". It warned that if he wanted
to avoid damage to his reputation, he must resign.
Again, the US was trampling the convention, which insists that member
states shall "not seek to influence" the staff. He refused to go. On
March 19th, the US proposed a vote of no-confidence in Mr Bustani. It
lost. So it then did something unprecedented in the history of
multilateral diplomacy. It called a "special session" of the member
states to oust him. The session begins on Sunday. And this time the US
is likely to get what it wants.
Since losing the vote last month, the United States, which is supposed
to be the organisation's biggest donor, has been twisting the arms of
weaker nations, refusing to pay its dues unless they support it, with
the result that the OPCW could go under. Last week Bustani told me,
"the Europeans are so afraid that the US will abandon the convention
that they are prepared to sacrifice my post to keep it on board." His
last hope is that the United Kingdom, whose record of support for the
organisation has so far been exemplary, will make a stand. The meeting
on Sunday will present Blair's government with one of the clearest
choices it has yet faced between multilateralism and the "special
relationship".
The US has not sought to substantiate the charges it has made against
Bustani. The OPCW is certainly suffering from a financial crisis, but
that is largely because the United States first unilaterally capped
its budget and then failed to pay what it owed. The organisation's
accounts have just been audited and found to be perfectly sound. Staff
morale is higher than any organisation as underfunded as the OPCW
could reasonably expect. Bustani's real crimes are contained in the
last two charges, of "bias" and "ill-considered initiatives".
The charge of bias arises precisely because the OPCW is not biased. It
has sought to examine facilities in the United States with the same
rigour with which it examines facilities anywhere else. But, just like
Iraq, the US has refused to accept weapons inspectors from countries
it regards as hostile to its interests, and has told those who have
been allowed in which parts of a site they may and may not inspect. It
has also passed special legislation permitting the president to block
unannounced inspections, and banning inspectors from removing samples
of its chemicals.
"Ill-considered initiatives" is code for the attempts Bustani has
made, in line with his mandate, to persuade Saddam Hussein to sign the
Chemical Weapons Convention. If Iraq agrees, it will then be subject
to the same inspections -- both routine and unannounced -- as any
other member state (with the exception, of course, of the United
States). Bustani has so far been unsuccessful, but only because, he
believes, he has not yet received the backing of the UN Security
Council, with the result that Saddam knows he would have little to
gain from signing.
Bustani has suggested that if the Security Council were to support the
OPCW's bid to persuade Iraq to sign, this would provide the US with an
alternative to war. It is hard to see why Saddam Hussein would accept
weapons inspectors from UNMOVIC -- the organisation backed by the
Security Council -- after its predecessor UNSCOM was found to be
stuffed with spies planted by the US government. It is much easier to
see why he might accept inspectors from an organisation which has
remained scrupulously even-handed. Indeed, when UNSCOM was thrown out
of Iraq in 1998, the OPCW was allowed in to complete the destruction
of the weapons it had found. Bustani has to go because he has proposed
the solution to a problem the US does not want solved.
"What the Americans are doing," Bustani says, "is a coup d'etat. They
are using brute force to amend the convention and unseat the
director-general." As the Chemical Weapons Convention has no
provisions permitting these measures, the US is simply ripping up the
rules. If it wins, then the OPCW, like UNSCOM, will be fatally
compromised. Success for the United States on Sunday would threaten
the independence of every multilateral body.
This is, then, one of those rare occasions on which our government
could make a massive difference to the way the world is run. It could
choose to support its closest ally, wrecking multilateralism and
shutting down the alternatives to war. Or it could defy the United
States in defence of world peace and international law. It will take
that principled stand only if we, the people from whom it draws its
power, make so much noise that it must listen. We have five days in
which to stop the US from bullying its way to war.
Dave Zero
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> A War Against the Peacemaker
>
> The US wants to depose the diplomat who could take away its pretext
> for war with Iraq
> By George Monbiot.
> Published in the Guardian 16th April 2002
Cool article, Kenobi.
You haven't placed a bet in the "Attack Iraq Betting Pool" yet.
Do you think we're NOT going to attack?
Unless you do, come on, pick a date, have some fun.
> >
> >List of taken dates:
> >
> >6/14/02 Julian D
> >8/23/02 Dave Zero
> >9/11/02 Trebor
> >12/7/02 Alvena
> >4/01/03 Lone Ranger
> >6/24/04 Jim
Osama Bin KEN0B1
Andrew Alexander argues that the Cold War was fraudulent — and
jeopardised our security
Like others of my generation, I hugely enjoyed the film Dr Strangelove
when it came out in 1963, despite my orthodox view of the Cold War and
its causes. But as I came to visit the United States and meet American
politicians and military men, it struck me that General Jack D. Ripper
is not such a total parody. This set me on a long and reluctant
journey to Damascus. As I researched, through the diaries and memoirs
of the key figures involved, it dawned on me that my view of the Cold
War as a struggle to the death between Good (Britain and America) and
Evil (the Soviet Union) was seriously mistaken. In fact, as history
will almost certainly judge, it was one of the most unnecessary
conflicts of all time, and certainly the most perilous.
The Cold War began within months of the end of the second world war,
when the Soviet Union was diagnosed as inherently aggressive. It had
installed or was installing Communist and fellow-travelling
governments throughout Central and Eastern Europe. The Red Army,
intact and triumphant, was ready and able to conquer Western Europe at
any time it was unleashed by Stalin, who was himself dedicated to the
global triumph of communism. But ‘we’ — principally the United States
and Britain — had just learnt from painful experience that it was not
only futile but also counterproductive to seek accommodation with
brutal and ‘expansionist’ dictators. We had to stand up to Stalin, in
President Truman’s phrase, ‘with an iron fist’.
It was a Manichean doctrine, seductive in its simplicity. But the
supposed military threat was wholly implausible. Had the Russians,
though themselves devastated by the war, invaded the West, they would
have had a desperate battle to reach and occupy the Channel coast
against the Allies, utilising among other things a hastily rearmed
Wehrmacht. But, in any case, what then? With a negligible Russian
navy, the means of invading Britain would somehow have had to be
created. Meanwhile Britain would have been supplied with an endless
stream of men and material from the United States, making invasion
virtually hopeless.
And even if the Soviets, ignoring the A-bomb, had conquered Europe
from Norway to Spain against all odds, they would have been left
facing an implacable United States across more than 2,000 miles of
ocean — the ultimate unwinnable war. In short, there was no Soviet
military danger. Stalin was not insane.
Nor was he a devout ideologue dedicated to world communism. He was far
more like a cruel oriental tyrant. He was committed, above all else,
to retaining power, murdering every rival, and ruling Russia by mass
terror on a breathtaking scale. Stalin had long been opposed to the
idea that Russia should pursue world revolution. He had broken with
Trotsky, and proclaimed the ideal of ‘socialism in one country’. Of
course he was content to have Communist parties abroad believe that
the eventual global triumph of the creed was inevitable — Marxism made
no sense otherwise — but for all practical purposes foreign Communist
parties were instruments of Russian policy, encouraged to become
significant enough to influence or interfere with their own nations’
actions where it helped Soviet purposes. But it was never Stalin’s
idea — far from it — that they should establish potentially rival
Communist governments whose existence and independence would be
liable, indeed certain, to diminish the role of Russia as the dominant
global power on the Left, and Stalin’s personal position. Yugoslavia
and China were to demonstrate the peril of rival Communist powers.
In Britain many of us saw the bitter conflict between the Trotskyite
Socialist Workers’ party and Communists as an amusing sideshow, some
sort of absurd quarrel between two groups of fanatics on points of
doctrinal purity. But the Trotskyites had a point. They understood, if
others did not, that Moscow had betrayed the world revolution.
The Cold War began because of Russia’s reluctance to allow
independence or freedom to the ‘liberated’ countries of Eastern and
Central Europe, Poland in particular. Stalin was held to have welshed
on promises at Yalta. Roosevelt and Churchill had demanded that Poland
would be allowed a government that would be ‘free’ and also ‘friendly
to Russia’.
It was a dishonest formula on both sides. The two countries had a long
record of enmity. As recently as 1920, they had been at war. There was
also the Soviet massacre of 11,000 Polish officers in the Katyn
forest. No freely elected Polish government would be friendly to the
USSR. Furthermore, as Stalin pointed out forcibly at Yalta, Russia had
been twice invaded through Poland by Germany in 26 years, both times
with devastating consequences. The invasion of 1941 had led to the
deaths of as many as 20 million Russians. Any postwar Russian
government — Communist, tsarist or social democratic — would have
insisted on effective control, at least of Poland if not of larger
areas of Eastern Europe, notably Romania, as a buffer zone against
future attacks. To Russia, it seemed a simple enough question of
minimum security to prevent another disaster.
Churchill himself had seemed mindful of the point, offering at his
famous meeting with Stalin in 1943 to divide Eastern Europe so as to
leave a powerful Russia the predominant ‘influence’. The Americans
recoiled from the suggestion when they heard of it — from Stalin.
The communisation of Central and Eastern Europe was swift in the case
of Poland, slower elsewhere. Yugoslavia was wholly Communist, of
course, but was already showing signs of the sort of independence that
Stalin feared. Its aid to Greek Communists earned a rebuke from him.
It was nonsense, he told the Yugoslav leaders, to think that the
British and Americans would allow a Communist country to dominate
their supply lines through the eastern Mediterranean.
The great Cold War warrior Harry Truman came to office in April 1945.
He had little understanding of foreign affairs. The existing White
House, including the belligerent Admiral Leahy, quickly convinced him
that he must make an aggressive start. Within a fortnight, when
Molotov, the Soviet foreign minister, called to pay his respects to
the new President, Truman gave him an astonishing drubbing about
Russia’s failure to establish free elections in Poland.
In May, Churchill told Anthony Eden, the foreign secretary, not only
that the Polish deadlock had to be resolved but also that the
Americans ought not to withdraw to the lines previously agreed in
September. There had, he said, to be a ‘showdown’ over Poland and the
Russian occupation of East Germany while the Allies were still strong
militarily. Otherwise there was ‘very little prospect’ of preventing a
third world war.
Churchill’s ‘Iron Curtain’ speech at Fulton, Missouri, in March 1946 —
the phrase, by the way, originated with Dr Goebbels, warning of the
same Red peril — accurately reflects the Great Warrior’s view of the
Soviet menace. Not surprisingly, however, it was seen by the Russians
as a threat. Referring to the new ‘tyrannies’, Churchill said, ‘It is
not our duty at this time when difficulties are so numerous to
interfere forcibly in the internal affairs of countries.’ The
inevitable implication was that there would be such a time when
difficulties were not so numerous.
But Truman had already adopted an aggressive public attitude to Russia
the previous October. He produced 12 points which he said would govern
American policy, including the importance of opening up free markets.
The programme would be based on ‘righteousness and justice’. There
could be ‘no compromise with evil’. Since half of his points were
aimed at Soviet rule in Eastern Europe, the evil he had in mind was
plain. He also added that no one would be allowed to interfere with US
policy in Latin America.
In short, Russian interference in countries essential to its safety
was evil. But exclusive US domination of its own sphere of influence
was righteous. The Russians must have thought that this was a fine
piece of humbug. In any case, a programme based on ‘no compromise with
evil’ is a preposterously naive basis for a foreign policy, destining
a country to permanent warfare. (Perhaps, as the war against terrorism
suggests, this is the capitalist world’s version of Trotskyism.) It
was at about this time that General Patton, among other eminent
figures, spoke of ‘an inevitable third world war’.
The Atlantic Charter of 1941 was another example of humbug, with its
declaration that countries should be free to elect their own
governments. Churchill had later to explain that this did not apply to
the British Empire. Russia added its name to the charter — no harm in
supporting what was obviously pious hypocrisy. Molotov inquired in
this context what Britain intended to do about Spain. Spain was
different, Churchill insisted.
Churchill’s hostility to the Soviet Union was very long-standing,
despite the wartime alliance and despite his erratic opinion of Stalin
himself, sometimes his ‘friend’, sometimes his enemy. Churchill had
proposed in December 1918 that the defeated Germans should be rearmed
for a grand alliance to march on Moscow. He supported the Allied
intervention in the Russian civil war.
More important was his wartime theme that the Germans should not be
treated too harshly or disarmed too extensively because they might be
needed against Russia. Soviet sympathisers in the Foreign Office would
no doubt have warned Stalin of this. Moscow also suspected, with
reason, that some British politicians hoped that appeasing Hitler
would leave him free to attack Russia. Moreover, the British
government had seriously considered attacking Russia when it invaded
Finland in December 1939. One suggestion was to bomb Russian
oilfields.
Against this background, it is unsurprising that the Soviet attitude
in the immediate postwar years was nervous and suspicious. The West
made virtually no moves to allay these fears, but adopted a
belligerent attitude to an imaginary military and political threat
from an economically devastated and war-weary Russia. Based in no
small part on our experience with Germany, the great leap in
assumptions was that a regime that was wicked and brutal to its own
people must also be a threat to us. It was an easy doctrine to sell in
the early postwar years.
The fact that the Cold War continued after Stalin’s death and
succession does not, as some would claim, prove the Soviets’
unchanging global ambitions. The invasion of Hungary in 1956 and of
Czechoslovakia in 1968 were brutal acts, but were aimed at protecting
Moscow’s buffer zone — much as the United States had always protected
her interests in Central and South America. The same may be said of
the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1980 (as a result of which, with
the help of the CIA, the Taleban came into existence). In none of
these cases was there a territorial threat to the West.
At times even Eisenhower seemed ambivalent about the Cold War. In his
farewell address in 1960, he warned about the vested interests of the
American ‘military-industrial complex’. Under his presidency US
foreign policy had fallen into the hands of crazed crusaders such as
John Foster Dulles. Of him, Anthony Eden complained that he was the
only bull who carried his own china shop with him. He also accused him
of really wanting a third world war. Followers of Dulles’s crusading
approach remained prominent, especially under Reagan and until the
collapse of the Soviet Union.
Revisionist views of the Cold War regularly surface in the United
States, though the case is sometimes spoiled by the authors’ socialist
sympathies (something of which I have never been accused). In Britain,
the revisionist view has not had much of a hearing.
One can, of course, understand why few anywhere in the West want the
orthodox view of the Cold War overturned. If that were to happen, the
whole edifice of postwar politics would begin to crumble.
Could it be that the heavy burden of postwar rearmament was
unnecessary, that the transatlantic alliance actually imperilled
rather than saved us? Could it be that the world teetered on the verge
of annihilation because the postwar Western leaders, particularly in
Washington, lacked imagination, intelligence and understanding?
The gloomy answer is yes.
Big Toe#3
from a neighbouring village.I should know , I was there.
Well, It`s off to the Matrix I go!
See you back in the real world? Big Toe#3
Osama Bin KEN0B1
U.S., Clinton accused of war atrocities
By Jeffrey T. Kuhner
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
The lawyer for a Croatian general indicted by the war crimes tribunal
in The Hague says his client's case opens the possibility that former
President Clinton will be charged with crimes against humanity for
authorizing a Croatian military offensive in 1995 that recaptured
territory from rebel Serbs.
"According to the unjust indictment brought against my client,
there is a basis for an investigation and indictment of high-ranking
Clinton administration officials who oversaw Operation Storm," said
Luka Misetic, the defense attorney for Gen. Ante Gotovina.
The high-ranking Croatian general was indicted in June 2001 by
the prosecutor's office at the U.N. War Crimes Tribunal for the Former
Yugoslavia in The Hague on charges that he exercised "command
responsibility" over the military campaign in which 150 Serbian
civilians were killed.
Secretly supported by the Clinton administration, Croatian
forces launched a three-day massive military offensive — known as
"Operation Storm" — on Aug. 5, 1995 in which Croatia recovered
territories occupied by rebel Serbs following Croatia's bloody drive
for independence from Yugoslavia in 1991.
Gen. Gotovina was the military commander of Sector South of the
operation, which was responsible for the capture of the rebel-held
city of Knin. He is also accused of overseeing the ethnic cleansing of
150,000 Serbs who fled from Croatia during the military offensive.
The United States provided military and technical assistance to
Operation Storm in order to block then-Serbian President Slobodan
Milosevic's goal of forging an ethnically pure "Greater Serbia."
The Clinton administration viewed Croatia's military campaign as
pivotal to tilting the strategic balance of power in the region
against Serbian forces, paving the way for the 1995 Dayton Peace
Accords that ended the war in neighboring Bosnia.
However, Mr. Misetic said U.S. support and approval for the
military offensive means the indictment against Gen. Gotovina could
lead to the prosecution by The Hague tribunal of Mr. Clinton and other
high-ranking U.S. officials on charges of having command
responsibility for war crimes that were committed during the
operation.
"The theory against Gotovina can now be brought against Clinton,
[Assistant Secretary of State Richard] Holbrooke and all the way down
the U.S. chain of command. On the prosecution's logic, they should be
indicted as well. They knew the attack was coming and gave it the
green light," Mr. Misetic said.
"The prosecutor's office is punting on an issue that is clearly
there. They are claiming that ethnic cleansing took place during this
operation. They are claiming that by virtue of his position, Gotovina
had knowledge of war crimes. His knowledge was shared and given to him
by the Pentagon," he said.
Florence Hartmann, spokeswoman for chief prosecutor Carla del
Ponte, said the tribunal is not challenging the legitimacy of
Croatia's military offensive but individual atrocities carried out by
Croatian soldiers whose actions fell under the responsibility of Gen.
Gotovina.
"It is not Operation Storm that is being indicted, but the crimes
that were committed during and afterward," Mrs. Hartmann said.
U.S. support for the operation "has to be established," she said.
"I don't know that the [Clinton] administration was involved."
Asked whether the prosecutor's office was planning to issue
indictments against either Mr. Clinton or other administation
officials, Mrs. Hartmann said: "We have no comment because there is no
evidence to substantiate the charges of Gen. Gotovina's lawyers. They
can make their case with evidence to the court."
Mr. Misetic dismissed Mrs. Hartmann's comments as "blatant
hypocrisy."
David Taylor
Nazi General Reinhard Gehlen defected to the OSS. From this
came the CIA.
Somebody
with Gehlan it came from the brain of Wild Bill Donovon an American.
The only reason we wanted those Nazi rocket-scientists wasn't because
they were Nazis as "Osama" might want to believe but because they were
brilliant scientists. Operation Paperclippe simply pointed out and took
the ones we wanted so the Russians wouldn't get them. We got lots of
good tech from them. the V-2 and V-1, swept wings, etc. Luckily the
scientists who might have given the Germans atomic weapons happended to
be Jewish or other "undesirables" or simply haited the Nazi government
and came to America before the war.
Osama Bin KEN0B1
THE BALKANS QUAGMIRE
Bosnia: 'Lawless black hole'?
Demand growing on peninsula for formation of 'Greater Albania'
By Toby Westerman
WorldNetDaily.com / R.A.G.U.N.S.
The international community fears that the former Yugoslav republic of
Bosnia, which is located near the center of the Balkan Peninsula – a
region close to the heart of Western Europe – could become a "lawless
black hole" of conflicting ethnic rivalries, according to a report
from Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.
"A similar case may be made for Kosovo and possibly Macedonia," stated
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, referring to areas that have also
sustained years of ethnic struggle.
At nearly the same time as the radio service issued its report, a
small ultra-right wing Albanian nationalist party, calling itself the
Party for National Unity, openly demanded the creation of "Greater
Albania," which it named "Chemeria," comprising all Albanians in the
Balkan region. The claim was first noted by Athenian Radio, relayed by
the Macedonian Information Agency and cited by Reality Macedonia.
Observers have long claimed that the formation of a "Greater Albania"
was a driving force behind Albanian ethnic struggles throughout the
Balkans and have noted that ethnic Albanian politicians have
consistently objected to the borders imposed on ethnic Albanians by a
1912 agreement, brokered by the major European powers of the time.
A "Greater Albania" or "Chemeria" would include all of Kosovo,
nominally a part of Serbia, half of the nation of Macedonia, the
western region of Greece and nearly half of Montenegro. The national
capitals of Macedonia and Montenegro, Skopje and Podgorica
respectively, would also fall under Albanian control.
The pro-Albanian site www.Alb-net.com includes a map entitled
"Historical Ethnic Albania," although the site claims that it does not
advocate a change in present Balkan borders.
The ethnic Albanian struggles throughout the Balkans have received
support from Muslim nations including Iran and Saudi Arabia, as well
as from the al-Qaida terrorist network.
In a recent development, the former Bosnian interior minister, Bakia
Alisahic, was indicted on charges of running an Iranian supported
"terrorist training center" in Bosnia in 1995, according to Radio Free
Europe/Radio Liberty.
In an attempt to halt inter-ethnic conflict in Bosnia, and to prevent
the eruption of a "lawless black hole," U.N. High Representative for
Bosnia Wolfgang Petritsch issued a new constitution that lessens the
power of the ethnic-oriented parties in Bosnia.
Petritsch issued the new governing document because the Serb and
Croatian/Muslim governing entities did not agree upon a new method of
government within the specified time limit, according to a report from
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.
Denying that the new form of government was forced on Bosnia by the
international community, Petritsch stated, "This is not an outright
imposition. … This is clearly … a partnership," reported Radio Free
Europe/Radio Liberty.
In issuing his new constitution, Petritsch offended each of the major
ethnic groups in Bosnia – the Croats, Muslims and Serbs.
Among the three ethnic groups, the Serbs feel particularly snubbed by
the West, believing that the West has consistently favored Muslim
forces in the region. The recent release of a 7,000-page Dutch report,
which, in part, documents U.S. assistance to Muslim forces in Bosnia
during the 1992-95 Bosnian civil war, has added to Serb bitterness.
A large Serb population is in Bosnia, which borders on Serbia proper.
Kosovo was at one time 10 percent Serbian, but many fled during the
NATO air war in 1999. Serbs revere Kosovo, considered the "cradle" of
Serb culture. According to U.N. Resolution 1244, the area remains
technically part of Serbia, although administered by the U.N. through
a Muslim-controlled government.
A mood of defiance among the Serbs toward the West and the
international community is palpable.
Radovan Karadzic, the former president of the Serb entity in Bosnia
known as the Republic of Srpska, is an indicted war criminal and the
man most wanted by The Hague War Crimes Tribunal.
The support for Karadzic remains firm, despite great pressure from the
U.S., NATO and the U.N. for his arrest.
"I have made thousands of new friends, about whom my pursuers do not
know," boasted Karadzic, according to a British Broadcasting
Corporation report.
Although he has a $5 million price on his head, posters have appeared
with Karadzic's image throughout the Serb cities of Belgrade and Novi
Sad, stating that "every Serb is Radovan," according to Radio Free
Europe/Radio Liberty.
In response to demands that he surrender to The Hague Tribunal,
Karadzic defiantly sent a letter to a Serbian law professor offering
his "regrets" that he could not attend the war crimes trials, the BBC
stated.
Karadzic has also published, through his friends and supporters, a
book entitled "The Situation, A Light Comedy."
The plot contains five characters, according to a Reuters report: a
waiter, an aspiring leader, an "image maker," a representative of the
"international community" and the voice off stage of a Muslim who
advises the international community representative.
David Taylor
Next, take a look at what the CIA did. From Guatemala to the Congo,
their nazi colors shine bright.
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:17:46 -0500, Somebody <some...@hotmail.ccom>
wrote:
Paul Mulcahy
while getting my history degree: "Trace the origins of the Cold War,
starting during the period of European Colonial Expansion during the 16th
century."
In other words, you are grossly oversimplifying the issue.
Osama Bin KEN0B1
beginning! Stand up to these mass murders and criminals! We MUST hold
the elite accountable for their crimes, or there will never be any
laws worth following...
Enron Survey Assailed
By RICHARD SIMON
TIMES STAFF WRITER / R.A.G.U.N.S.
WASHINGTON -- Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.) on Friday called the
White House response to his request for information about its dealings
with Enron Corp. "unacceptable"--the latest pull in the tug of war
between Congress and the Bush administration over the issue.
Lieberman, chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee,
hinted that he might seek subpoenas to get the information for his
inquiry into whether the government could have done more to prevent
the energy giant's collapse.
In a letter to President Bush's lawyer, Lieberman said the panel is
wrapping up the information-gathering stage of its inquiry and cannot
wait much longer for information. "It does not appear that the [White
House] is making serious efforts to collect all information responsive
to the committee's request," he wrote to White House counsel Alberto
R. Gonzales. ''We've said that we are committed to working with the
committee on all reasonable requests, and we are doing that,'' said
White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo.
Gonzales asked senior White House officials earlier this week to
report contacts they may have had with Enron officials. But Gonzales
also suggested in a letter to Lieberman that the committee chairman
might be seeking information that goes beyond the scope of his panel's
inquiry.
Lieberman has sought, among other things, information about White
House contacts with Enron officials during the drafting of the
administration's energy plan early last year.
Noting that the White House energy task force was disbanded months
before Enron filed for bankruptcy in December, Gonzales wrote: "We are
having difficulty understanding and assessing the committee's needs in
this area."
Lieberman's letter comes as the Enron investigation frenzy that
followed the company's collapse has eased on Capitol Hill. But while
the number of televised hearings has declined, partisan wrangling has
intensified over Enron-inspired bills that call for accounting and
pension reforms.
And Democrats have continued to use Bush's ties to former Enron
executives to portray the GOP as too cozy with special interests.
Republicans have responded by pointing out that many Democrats also
took Enron contributions.
Lieberman, a possible Bush rival in 2004, was critical of a survey
sent out earlier this week by Gonzales asking more than 100 senior
administration officials to report by May 10 on contacts they may have
had with Enron representatives.
Lieberman assailed the "three-question" survey as "destined to produce
an inadequate response" and said it is unclear whether the survey
would detail contacts that Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney had
with Enron officials.
The administration has acknowledged that Enron officials met six times
with members of the energy task force, including once with Cheney, who
headed it.
But Democratic lawmakers have sought more details about the private
meetings with Enron and other industry advocates.
The Energy Department and other federal agencies have released
thousands of pages of documents indicating that the energy industry
enjoyed far greater access to officials drafting the energy plan than
did environmentalists.
The General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, has
filed a lawsuit to force Cheney to provide details about his meetings
with industry lobbyists.
King Pineapple
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> Let's hope they put Klinton in with them! And that will just be the
> beginning! Stand up to these mass murders and criminals! We MUST hold
> the elite accountable for their crimes, or there will never be any
> laws worth following...
LOL. Why didn't you start about 4 years ago, instead of holding Clintoon to
be above the law? You reap what you sew, y'know...
> WASHINGTON -- Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.) on Friday called the
> White House response to his request for information about its dealings
> with Enron Corp. "unacceptable"--
Gee, what's HE running for?
> Lieberman, chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee,
> hinted that he might seek subpoenas to get the information for his
> inquiry into whether the government could have done more to prevent
> the energy giant's collapse.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. We all know that if the government HAD done more to prevent
Enron's collapse, the Dems here would be crying "foul" about that, too.
Next?
--
"I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things"-
CBS News Managing Editor/Chief Anchor Dan Rather
Osama Bin KEN0Bi
00:00:00Hg
KEN0Bi" <ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote:
Naw, Piltdown.
antiaging
Former Jesuit Priest Alberto Rivera, who became a Baptist preacher,
said that the cold war was caused deliberately to try to make Russia
look like the new villain that had to be dealt with. This was to try
to cover-up the vaticans's involvement with Hitler and starting World
War 2. Vatican undercover agents have infiltrated news organizations
around the world and they control the News media. You can read about
this online in the Book, SMOKESCREENS, at this website:
http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153cont.asp
The news medias of the United States and Russia were pushing us
against each other causing the cold war mania. This happened as the
old books exposing the vatican's involvement with starting World War 2
were disappearing from the shelves at the bookstores. You can read
serious documentation about the involvement of the Vatican in starting
World War 2, in the book, THE SECRET HISTORY OF THE JESUITS, by Edmond
Paris, a French historian. You can buy the book at this website:
http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/0191.asp
The news media will never report on the Vatican's involvement in
starting World War 2 because the news media is controlled by the
Vatican; their undercover agents in the news media take orders from
catholic priests.
E. Payne
started?
"Osama Bin KEN0Bi" <ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
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Osama Bin KEN0Bi
Bush agrees to ease Enron investigation
From Nicholas Wapshott in New York / R.A.G.U.N.S.
LINKS between the fraudulent energy company Enron and the White House
should be fully and freely investigated, President Bush has conceded.
The President said that Senator Joseph Lieberman, chairman of the
Governmental Affairs Committee which is investigating the collapse,
should be given every assistance.
Mr Lieberman threatened the White House with subpoenas if it did not
allow him to explore documents which spelt out the extent of Enrons
influence on the President personally and on Vice-President Dick
Cheneys formulation of national energy policy. Alberto Gonzalez, the
White House counsel, had a preliminary meeting with Mr Lieberman
yesterday to discuss how the documents should be disclosed without
delay.
Mr Lieberman, who was Al Gores vice-presidential running mate in 2000
and holds presidential ambitions himself, is confident he will be
provided with all the access to the White House archive that his
committee needs. I think the senator is hopeful that he will be able
to negotiate a reasonable agreement with Mr Gonzales so that the
committees investigation can proceed, a spokeswoman for Mr Lieberman
said.
Mr Lieberman expects to be able to prove there were links between the
executives at the top of Enron, who were disgraced when the company
went bankrupt in December, and Mr Bush and Mr Cheney, thereby
embarrassing the Republican Administration. Enrons chief executive,
Kenneth Lay, was the single largest financial contributor to Mr Bushs
presidential campaign and was given special treatment when lobbying Mr
Cheney on the future of the Administrations electricity supply policy.
It was revealed this week that Enron had deliberately manipulated the
electricity supply in California to provoke an energy crisis in the
state, from which it then profited.
Enron had also asked the White House for help with a number of
overseas energy projects. Mr Lieberman accused the White House of
stalling when, in response to his request for information on March 27
about links with Enron, it sent out a survey to 100 members of staff
asking them to provide information by May 10.
He reminded Mr Gonzales that the committee had legal powers to oblige
the White House to open its files if there was any further delay. Mr
Lieberman has also asked the White House to turn over any files which
linked the Clinton Administration to Enron.
Azrifel
> It was revealed this week that Enron had deliberately manipulated the
> books of Jean Dulieu to provoke a name crisis about the owl
> , from which it then profited.
That's right.
Oehoeboeroe!
Reginald Bosanquet
Admin. See Ron Brown's trade trips, see special EX-IM bank financing
for Enron project, see NO oversight by the SEC or IRS during Clinton's
reign over Enron's sleazy deals.
Enron bought and paid off Wall Street analysts, politicians of both
parties, regulators, investment banks and just about anybody else who
need to be paid off. Maybe Lieberman can ask himseolf and his
Democratic Senator partner in CT about how they changed the FASB
account rules which benefitted Enron greatly.
Osama Bin KEN0Bi <ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote in message news:<5vtpducp9o39k6ipb...@4ax.com>...
cyber
Reginald...@yahoo.ca (Reginald Bosanquet) wrote:
I don't think it will be re-election day for bush. more like replacement
day.
from just another Veteran for Peace. OK?
Chuck Buckley
> In article <72335186.02051...@posting.google.com>,
> Reginald...@yahoo.ca (Reginald Bosanquet) wrote:
>
> > Nice try but Enron had an even cozier relationship with the Clinton
> > Admin. See Ron Brown's trade trips, see special EX-IM bank financing
Wouldn't Bush need to be elected once to be eligible for re-election?
Maybe the original poster meant to say "reappointment."
Osama Bin KEN0Bi
It was the amoebas. Yeah, that's it.
Osama Bin KEN0Bi
>Is it just a coincidence that the cold war ended when global warming
>started?
You might say that global warming helped end the cold war? Suddenly,
oil has become the #1 problem, not the Russians.
Paul Mulcahy
Of course, you can go all out and say that the number one cause of death is
life.
Osama Bin KEN0Bi
drug addicts, blacks, commies, what more could you ask for?
194,000 HIV cases registered in Russia
MOSCOW. May 15 (Interfax / R.A.G.U.N.S.) - As of today, 194,000 HIV
cases have been registered in Russia, Federal AIDS Center director
Vadim Pokrovsky said at an Interfax press conference on Wednesday.
The number of HIV cases totaled around 177,000 in December 2001,
Pokrovsky said. Thus, HIV cases are up by 17,000, he said.
Furthermore, "HIV develops over a very long period of time. People
become ill in seven or eight years, therefore, doctors cannot monitor
all who have contracted the infection," he said.
The government should take urgent measures to prevent and cure HIV
and AIDS, he said. Otherwise, the surging epidemic could turn into "a
national security threat," he said.
©º° Gerhard °º©
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> Looks like the CIA knew what it was doing when it created AIDS! Gays,
> drug addicts, blacks, commies, what more could you ask for?
Generals, warcriminals, pedo's................
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Micha'elo
Is it a reason of corruption ?
Fuck it's everything are corrupted.
Only thing make me happy that we (not Nederlanders)
know that correct name of Oehoeboeroe is Oehoeboeroe.
At least something real.
--van der Alternatief (Michaelo Mitrofanov)
P.S. Azrifel, how's Ur studing ???
Townkraaier
> Azrifel wrote:
>
> > Osama Bin KEN0Bi <ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
> >
> > > It was revealed this week that Enron had deliberately manipulated the
> > > books of Jean Dulieu to provoke a name crisis about the owl
> > > , from which it then profited.
> >
> > That's right.
> >
> > Oehoeboeroe!
>
> Is it a reason of corruption ?
>
> Fuck it's everything are corrupted.
>
> Only thing make me happy that we (not Nederlanders)
> know that correct name of Oehoeboeroe is Oehoeboeroe.
Yeah !!!
> --van der Alternatief (Michaelo Mitrofanov)
>
> P.S. Azrifel, how's Ur studing ???
Do you really want to know about his "stud-ing" or
about his "studying"...though I believe he's doing
just fine on both fronts ;-)
--
Townkraaier