Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll
Antimulticulture
Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll
Whopping 69 percent of Americans want alternate theories in classroom
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49153
March 7, 2006
A new poll shows 69 percent of Americans believe public school teachers
should present both the evidence for and against Darwinian evolution.
The Zogby International survey indicated only 21 percent think biology
teachers should teach only Darwin's theory of evolution and the scientific
evidence that supports it.
[ed. If evolution were looked at more critically, instead of mindlessly
quoting from phoney websites like talkorigins, you would see science
defeats the theories of evolution every time...]
A majority of Americans from every sub-group were at least twice as likely
to prefer this approach to science education, the Zogby study showed.
About 88 percent of Americans 18-29 years old were in support, along with 73
percent of Republicans and 74 percent of independent voters.
Others who strongly support teaching the strengths and weaknesses of
evolutionary theory include African-Americans (69 percent), 35-54 year-olds
(70 percent) and Democrats (60 percent).
[ed. So much for the idea of a "white religious right-wing conspiracy"...]
Casey Luskin, program officer for public policy and legal affairs with
Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture said while his group
does not favor mandating the teaching of intelligent design, "we do think it
is constitutional for teachers to discuss it precisely because the theory is
based upon scientific evidence not religious premises."
[ed. Of course, but even if it were based on "religious premises", one cannot
dismiss it off-hand as untrue whilst simultaneously and religiously holding
onto an opposite idea, as secular-humanists (marxists) have want to do with
evolution...]
The Seattle-based Discovery Institute is the leading promoter of the theory
of Intelligent Design, which has been at the center of challenges in federal
court over the teaching of evolution in public school classes. Advocates say
it draws on recent discoveries in physics, biochemistry and related
disciplines that indicate some features of the natural world are best
explained as the product of an intelligent cause rather than an undirected
process such as natural selection.
"The public strongly agrees that students should be permitted to learn about
such evidence," Luskin said.
The Discovery Institute noted Americans also support students learning about
evidence for intelligent design alongside evolution in biology class - 77
percent.
Just over half - 51 percent - agree strongly with that. Only 19 percent
disagree.
As WorldNetDaily reported, more than 500 scientists with doctoral degrees
have signed a statement expressing skepticism about Darwin's theory of
evolution.
The statement, which includes endorsement by members of the prestigious U.S.
National Academy of Sciences and Russian Academy of Sciences, was first
published by the Discovery Institute in 2001 to challenge statements about
Darwinian evolution made in promoting PBS's "Evolution" series.
The PBS promotion claimed "virtually every scientist in the world believes
the theory to be true."
[ed. You don't need to go to the trouble of signing petitions
to destroy that faulty lefty-logic...]
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Jan den Hollander
> Evolution Watch:
> Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll
> Whopping 69 percent of Americans want alternate theories in classroom
> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49153
> March 7, 2006
>
> A new poll shows 69 percent of Americans believe public school teachers
> should present both the evidence for and against Darwinian evolution.
I guess that most Americans want to have astrology & alchemy taught in
highschool as well. And alien abduction too. And all sorts of conspiracy
theories, including all possible theories about Who (or Who didn't) kill
JFK? And Everything About What Happened in Roswell, NM?
And From Here On Forward Nobody Will Earn A Highschool Diploma Unless He
(or She) Gets The Spelling Of The Name Of The Owl Right.
Alric Knebel
What is so funny about this poll is, the least educated people are being
asked what to use in education.
--
Alric Knebel
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http://www.ironeyefortress.com
Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')
Jan den Hollander wrote:
>
> Antimulticulture wrote:
>
> > Evolution Watch:
> > Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll
> > Whopping 69 percent of Americans want alternate theories in classroom
> > http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49153
> > March 7, 2006
> >
> > A new poll shows 69 percent of Americans believe public school teachers
> > should present both the evidence for and against Darwinian evolution.
>
> I guess that most Americans want to have astrology & alchemy taught in
> highschool as well. And alien abduction too.
>
The comparison is exactly where? There is plenty of evidence that Life
exists today because of reasons beyond mere "Darwinian evolution"
therefore pro and con ideas should be taught.
--
"How vain and foolish, then, thought I, for timid untravelled man to try
to comprehend aright this wondrous whale, by merely pouring over his
dead attenuated skeleton, stretched in this peaceful wood. No. Only in
the heart of quickest perils; only when within the eddyings of his angry
flukes; only on the profound unbounded sea, can the fully invested whale
be truly and livingly found out." -+Herman Melville, "Moby Dick"
Alric Knebel
>
> Jan den Hollander wrote:
>
>>Antimulticulture wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Evolution Watch:
>>>Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll
>>>Whopping 69 percent of Americans want alternate theories in classroom
>>>http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49153
>>>March 7, 2006
>>>
>>>A new poll shows 69 percent of Americans believe public school teachers
>>>should present both the evidence for and against Darwinian evolution.
>>
>>I guess that most Americans want to have astrology & alchemy taught in
>>highschool as well. And alien abduction too.
>>
>
> The comparison is exactly where? There is plenty of evidence that Life
> exists today because of reasons beyond mere "Darwinian evolution"
> therefore pro and con ideas should be taught.
True. But not a "con" based on Genesis. If you're using that as a
source, then you just as well be teaching astrology and alchemy, just
like the article said.
ZenIsWhen
news:4410F80F...@yahoo.co.uk...
>
>
> Jan den Hollander wrote:
>>
>> Antimulticulture wrote:
>>
>> > Evolution Watch:
>> > Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll
>> > Whopping 69 percent of Americans want alternate theories in classroom
>> > http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49153
>> > March 7, 2006
>> >
>> > A new poll shows 69 percent of Americans believe public school teachers
>> > should present both the evidence for and against Darwinian evolution.
>>
>> I guess that most Americans want to have astrology & alchemy taught in
>> highschool as well. And alien abduction too.
>>
> The comparison is exactly where? There is plenty of evidence that Life
> exists today because of reasons beyond mere "Darwinian evolution"
> therefore pro and con ideas should be taught.
?????????? There IS?
Exactly what might that be?
There is NO evidence AGAINST evolution, only the corrupt and ignorant
whining of idiotic creationists!
Jan den Hollander
> Jan den Hollander wrote:
>>Antimulticulture wrote:
>>>Evolution Watch:
>>>Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll
>>>Whopping 69 percent of Americans want alternate theories in classroom
>>>http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49153
>>>March 7, 2006
>>>
>>>A new poll shows 69 percent of Americans believe public school teachers
>>>should present both the evidence for and against Darwinian evolution.
>>
>>I guess that most Americans want to have astrology & alchemy taught in
>>highschool as well. And alien abduction too.
> The comparison is exactly where? There is plenty of evidence that Life
> exists today because of reasons beyond mere "Darwinian evolution"
> therefore pro and con ideas should be taught.
What is at issue here is that scientific results are not decided by
polls. Instead it is the subject of scientific inquiry and scrutiny. If
you have well founded evidence to support the view you expressed here,
then what you should do is write a scientific paper about it, and submit
that paper to a peer-reviewed scientific journal. If your results are
accepted for publication, and can be reproduced and confirmed by other
investigators they may eventually become part of the high school curriculum.
And if you have a problem with that process, then what you should do
next time you are ill is take a poll to find out what the best treatment
is for for your health problems. There is no reason whatsoever to see a
doctor, because the doctor's opinion is no more relevant than that of
any random person who happens to be walking in the street.
Bob
"Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')" <john.m...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote
in message news:4410F80F...@yahoo.co.uk...
>
>
>>
>> Antimulticulture wrote:
>>
>> > Evolution Watch:
>> > Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll
>> > Whopping 69 percent of Americans want alternate theories in
>> > classroom
>> > http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49153
>> > March 7, 2006
>> >
>> > A new poll shows 69 percent of Americans believe public school
>> > teachers
>> > should present both the evidence for and against Darwinian
>> > evolution.
>>
>> I guess that most Americans want to have astrology & alchemy
>> taught in
>> highschool as well. And alien abduction too.
>>
> The comparison is exactly where? There is plenty of evidence that
> Life
> exists today because of reasons beyond mere "Darwinian evolution"
> therefore pro and con ideas should be taught.
>
"evidence"? Where? And don't be an asshole and say "the bible".
Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')
The Bible isn't science, you loon.
Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')
Jan den Hollander wrote:
>
> Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria') wrote:
> > Jan den Hollander wrote:
> >>Antimulticulture wrote:
>
> >>>Evolution Watch:
> >>>Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll
> >>>Whopping 69 percent of Americans want alternate theories in classroom
> >>>http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49153
> >>>March 7, 2006
> >>>
> >>>A new poll shows 69 percent of Americans believe public school teachers
> >>>should present both the evidence for and against Darwinian evolution.
> >>
> >>I guess that most Americans want to have astrology & alchemy taught in
> >>highschool as well. And alien abduction too.
>
> > The comparison is exactly where? There is plenty of evidence that Life
> > exists today because of reasons beyond mere "Darwinian evolution"
> > therefore pro and con ideas should be taught.
>
> What is at issue here is that scientific results are not decided by
> polls. Instead it is the subject of scientific inquiry and scrutiny. If
> you have well founded evidence to support the view you expressed here,
> then what you should do is write a scientific paper about it, and submit
> that paper to a peer-reviewed scientific journal.
>
Why would I need to do that? Science papers occur all the time that deal
with issues outside of Darwinian evolution.
> If your results are
> accepted for publication, and can be reproduced and confirmed by other
> investigators they may eventually become part of the high school curriculum.
>
How would you reproduce Darwinian evolution about a claimed historical
change?
> And if you have a problem with that process, then what you should do
> next time you are ill is take a poll to find out what the best treatment
> is for for your health problems. There is no reason whatsoever to see a
> doctor, because the doctor's opinion is no more relevant than that of
> any random person who happens to be walking in the street.
>
Is this an appeal to authority?
Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')
You don't have to disprove evolution, or what we are specifically
talking about, Darwinian evolution, to have other possibilities worth
investigating. They are not all mutually exclusive.
HoneyBadger
Ever considered that the Bible is
an allegorical tale for the ignorant and that God can
act on the smallest and largest particles in existance, and that
subsequently, the Bible, while true in concept, is only for our tiny
minds and that we shouldn't become obsessed with the details of creation
as accurate in any empirical sense? Or is that too obtuse for those
woshipping their own intellects?
--
Mellivora Capensis
Alric Knebel
But are you searching elsewhere for possibilities because of
Creationism? And while Evolution is not exclusive to the idea of a
divine intelligence (evolution doesn't concern itself with "why"; only
"how"), Creation as depicted in Genesis simply shouldn't be considered.
It's a story, and nothing more.
Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')
Why are you bringing up the Bible?
--
"The rabbits became strange in many ways, different from other rabbits.
They knew well enough what was happening. But even to themselves they
pretended that all was well, for the food was good, they were protected,
they had nothing to fear but the one fear; and that struck here and
there, never enough at a time to drive them away. They forgot the ways
of wild rabbits. They forgot El-ahrairah, for what use had they for
tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?"
-+ Richard Adams, "Watership Down"
Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')
Alric Knebel
Because we're talking around the subject of "Intelligent Design," and ID
proponents start out with the Bible, not research. Their whole idea is
to prove that the Bible is an accurate source for how the world got
here. What is AGAINST the Theory of Evolution? You said the discussion
should be presented pros and cons.
HoneyBadger
To comment on the creationism vs Darwin evolution concept.
The one does not rebut the other, unless you are dogmatic
about either.
--
Mellivora Capensis
Jeffrey Turner
> ZenIsWhen wrote:
>>>Jan den Hollander wrote:
>>>>Antimulticulture wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Evolution Watch:
>>>>>Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll
>>>>>Whopping 69 percent of Americans want alternate theories in classroom
>>>>>http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49153
>>>>>March 7, 2006
>>>>>
>>>>>A new poll shows 69 percent of Americans believe public school teachers
>>>>>should present both the evidence for and against Darwinian evolution.
>>>>
>>>>I guess that most Americans want to have astrology & alchemy taught in
>>>>highschool as well. And alien abduction too.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The comparison is exactly where? There is plenty of evidence that Life
>>>exists today because of reasons beyond mere "Darwinian evolution"
>>>therefore pro and con ideas should be taught.
>>
>>?????????? There IS?
>>Exactly what might that be?
>>
>>There is NO evidence AGAINST evolution, only the corrupt and ignorant
>>whining of idiotic creationists!
>
> You don't have to disprove evolution, or what we are specifically
> talking about, Darwinian evolution, to have other possibilities worth
> investigating. They are not all mutually exclusive.
There's no evidence that little green men ever mucked around
with life on Earth. None. It's not science, it's science
fiction. Kids are special because they're loved, not because
they were specially designed by strange visitors from another
planet.
--Jeff
--
Ours is a world of nuclear giants and
ethical infants. We know more about
war than we know about peace, more
about killing than we know about living.
-- Omar N. Bradley
HoneyBadger
Yeah, but we're biodegradable and our DNA window on our own existance
goes back what, 80k years with a tantalizing clue of some
other human foot prints back 117k years? Our window of historical
knowledge of civilizations goes back 10k years at most, and
that means, conceptually that you could pack in another 10
histories like ours in the last 100k years. Who's to say that
there weren't other civilizations 500k 800k 1200k years back?
You?
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Mellivora Capensis
boo-radley
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generally of conservative political bent. The reliablity of facts
appearing in the WND-authored stories has been repeatedly questioned by
journalists in the mainstream media.
see the source...pure crap, like the poster...I guess the poll proves
that a lot of americans are just as stupid as he is, hell they elected
GWB twice.
Jeffrey Turner
Oh, yeah. Back during the papier-mache age. And they were all
raptured off the Earth so they left no trace.
Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')
You brought up the Bible. Why?
Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')
Why are you talking about space men?
Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')
If they lived in an area that is now underwater, think Atlantis, it
might be possible that we don't know yet of the existence of such
ante-Genesis creatures.
Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')
Darwinian evolution is not the only possibility other than "creationism"
or even "intelligent design".
HoneyBadger
Antarctica pre ice-cap too.
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Mellivora Capensis
HoneyBadger
Sure, I was using the juxtaposition of the two since it was seemingly
the 'only' debate, but you're right.
--
Mellivora Capensis
Jeffrey Turner
So, tell me, Bill, what's your alternative to the current
scientific theory of evolution?
HoneyBadger
Just Cocky wrote:
> On 13 Mar 2006 07:03:43 +0100, "Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')"
> Feel free to enumerate all other possibilities, please.
Er, how about that planet earth is like a huge ovum, comet
like sperm cell and we're evolving into ...?
--
Mellivora Capensis
Alric Knebel
Didn't I just answer this question, moron?
Jeffrey Turner
We've found settlements under the edges of the Black Sea. Other
than your convenience, and that of other science fiction
aficionados, why would humans build entire civilizations low on
the continental shelves? There was no Atlantis, that was just a
story.
Oh, right, little green men did it.
> Antarctica pre ice-cap too.
The Antarctic icecap is some 15 million years old, not to
mention how did humans get there in papier-mache boats?
HoneyBadger
You mean it has always been a free-floating icecap in the
same position and never attached to anything else at all
in 15 million years..?
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Mellivora Capensis
Jeffrey Turner
> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Antarctica pre ice-cap too.
>>
>> The Antarctic icecap is some 15 million years old, not to
>> mention how did humans get there in papier-mache boats?
>
> You mean it has always been a free-floating icecap in the
> same position and never attached to anything else at all
> in 15 million years..?
The only cap that seems to be free-floating is the one above
your shoulders. Antarctica is on all the maps, maybe you
should have a look at one.
HoneyBadger
Jeffrey Turner wrote:
> HoneyBadger wrote:
>
>> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>
>>> HoneyBadger wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Antarctica pre ice-cap too.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Antarctic icecap is some 15 million years old, not to
>>> mention how did humans get there in papier-mache boats?
>>
>>
>> You mean it has always been a free-floating icecap in the
>> same position and never attached to anything else at all
>> in 15 million years..?
>
>
> The only cap that seems to be free-floating is the one above
> your shoulders. Antarctica is on all the maps, maybe you
> should have a look at one.
What was it attached to, and have there ever been land bridges to
it? Ice caps shift you know, and so do the poles. Look it up.
--
Mellivora Capensis
Jeffrey Turner
Antarctica, it's a continent. If you knew how to look anything
up you wouldn't come across as so stupid. What pole shifting
are you talking about, magnetic pole or continental drift?
HoneyBadger
Jeffrey Turner wrote:
> HoneyBadger wrote:
>
>> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>
>>> HoneyBadger wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> HoneyBadger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Antarctica pre ice-cap too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Antarctic icecap is some 15 million years old, not to
>>>>> mention how did humans get there in papier-mache boats?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You mean it has always been a free-floating icecap in the
>>>> same position and never attached to anything else at all
>>>> in 15 million years..?
>>>
>>>
>>> The only cap that seems to be free-floating is the one above
>>> your shoulders. Antarctica is on all the maps, maybe you
>>> should have a look at one.
>>
>>
>> What was it attached to, and have there ever been land bridges to
>> it? Ice caps shift you know, and so do the poles. Look it up.
>
>
> Antarctica, it's a continent. If you knew how to look anything
> up you wouldn't come across as so stupid. What pole shifting
> are you talking about, magnetic pole or continental drift?
Why don't you look it up? Try 'precession'...
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Mellivora Capensis
Jeffrey Turner
Precession means the whole Earth is wobbling, not that the poles
are shifting.