USA is so much safier than Europe!!!

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humm...@yahoo.com

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In article <wW9U.4748$lJ5.1...@news.internetMCI.com>,
"Miss Maggie" <se...@nojunk.com> wrote:
>
> >with the Former Yugoslavia being
> >> the best example.
> >
> >The European nations favoured keeping the hell out of the blood bath. As I
> >remember it was US diplomats who insisted on going in heavy.
>
> Aren't you glad that the US didn't "[favor] keeping the hell out of the
> blood bath" during WWII? And even then, the Germans' intent was just to
> take over your countries, not rid your land of your ethnic nations.....
>
> If there is one salient example in which American foreign policy was clearly
> more humane than European foreign policy, Bosnia would be it.
>
>

Bullshit -

The only reason America entered the war is because it saw a chance to
acquire the German warfare technology while Germany was at a waek point in the
war. The same type of ulterior motive was displayed in the Gulf war - it was
inly about OIL so that Americans can drive their fat asses down to McDonalds.
The technology America split with the Russians was:

1.) Rocket technology.
which includes:
a.) Supersonic data (V2 flew at Mach 5)
b.) Thrust vectoring technology.
c.) The semiconductor junction (High speed switching for 'b.)'.
(A transitor is 2 semiconductor junctions).
d.) Advanced flight control technology.
e.) The rocket engine.
2.) The jet aircraft (axial jet eninge).
3.) Submarine technology.
4.) Medical science and technologies.
etc.

The fact is that the reason American economy has been doing so well is
mostly due to the acauisition of these technologies.

So please don't be a typical American in trying to take the moral high
ground for American foreign policy actions.

I would rather be speaking German than have my senses assaulted by your
superficial bullshit society.

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In message <6fs1e8$lkd$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> - humm...@yahoo.comTue, 31 Mar
1998 18:26:49 -0600 writes:
#>
#>
#>Bullshit -
#>
#> The only reason America entered the war is because it saw a chance to
#>acquire the German warfare technology while Germany was at a waek point in the
#>war. The same type of ulterior motive was displayed in the Gulf war - it was
#>inly about OIL so that Americans can drive their fat asses down to McDonalds.
#>The technology America split with the Russians was:
#>
#> 1.) Rocket technology.
#> which includes:
#> a.) Supersonic data (V2 flew at Mach 5)
#> b.) Thrust vectoring technology.
#> c.) The semiconductor junction (High speed switching for 'b.)'.
#> (A transitor is 2 semiconductor junctions).
#> d.) Advanced flight control technology.
#> e.) The rocket engine.
#> 2.) The jet aircraft (axial jet eninge).
#> 3.) Submarine technology.
#> 4.) Medical science and technologies.
#> etc.

Bullshit to you!

Pearl Harbor & the fact that Germany Declared War on the USA first, had
nothing at all to do with it, huh?

BTW yes, why not get some spoils from it all. After all how many American
boys had to die? Also why go to war if not for self interest?

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On 1 Apr 1998 13:23:08 GMT, fram...@EMIRATES.NET.AE (Mark Framness)
wrote:
<snip>

>
>Bullshit to you!
>
>Pearl Harbor & the fact that Germany Declared War on the USA first, had
>nothing at all to do with it, huh?
>
This might come as a suprise, but the Germans did not attack Pearl
Harbour. I bet when Monaco declares war on the US, they would not
attack, even some countries that dit not have declared war on the US
were (are being) attacked.
<snip>
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In article <352408f4...@news.ping.be>,

houghi...@tande.com (houghi) wrote:
>
> On 1 Apr 1998 13:23:08 GMT, fram...@EMIRATES.NET.AE (Mark Framness)
> wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> >Bullshit to you!
> >
> >Pearl Harbor & the fact that Germany Declared War on the USA first, had
> >nothing at all to do with it, huh?
> >
> This might come as a suprise, but the Germans did not attack Pearl
> Harbour. I bet when Monaco declares war on the US, they would not
> attack, even some countries that dit not have declared war on the US
> were (are being) attacked.

Uhhh you see in WWII, Germany, Italy and Japan were allied. When Japan
attacked Pearl Harbor, the USA for some reason felt it had to declare war on
Japan. Now despite the fact that the Tripartite agreement did not compel
Germany (the agreement held the three allies to respond to unprovoked attacks
and clearly Pearl Harbor was a provocation) to declare war on the USA,
Germany did indeed declare war on the USA. So I do not see it unfathomable
that the USA felt compelled to wage war against Germany. Had Hitler not
declared war against the USA it probably would have taken another provocation
to draw the USA into the European war. Remember during WWI there was a lot
of Pro-German sentiment in the USA. Had nothing to do with obtaining secret
information.

Mark

BernhardB

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Apr 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/2/98
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houghi...@tande.com (houghi) wrote:

>On 1 Apr 1998 13:23:08 GMT, fram...@EMIRATES.NET.AE (Mark
Framness)
>wrote:
><snip>
>>
>>Bullshit to you!
>>
>>Pearl Harbor & the fact that Germany Declared War on the USA
first, had
>>nothing at all to do with it, huh?
>>
>This might come as a suprise, but the Germans did not attack
Pearl
>Harbour. I bet when Monaco declares war on the US, they would
not
>attack, even some countries that dit not have declared war on
the US
>were (are being) attacked.

><snip>
>--
>houghi
-----------------------------------------------

Lachen
en in U.S. way of life toch vrolijk zijn
dat is voor iedereen het klotemedicijn.

b.


T.v.d. Brink

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BernhardB wrote:

You can say that again!

Tim van den Brink


German de Algeciras

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Beste kerel, die US way of life is maar een samenloop van
omstandigheden. Maar dat kan je toch tegen Amerikanen niet zeggen.
Dat kan je ook wel eens weer zeggen!

German de Algeciras


Rob Barends

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In article <Pine.HPP.3.96.980404...@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu>, German de Algeciras <gpat...@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu> says:
>On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, T.v.d. Brink wrote:
>> BernhardB wrote:
>
>> > Lachen
>> > en in U.S. way of life toch vrolijk zijn
>> > dat is voor iedereen het klotemedicijn.
>> > b.
>>You can say that again!
>>Tim van den Brink

Weet jij daar meer van ? Hoe lang heb jij in de VS gewoond ?



>Beste kerel, die US way of life is maar een samenloop van
>omstandigheden. Maar dat kan je toch tegen Amerikanen niet
>zeggen.

Waarom niet. Mobilizeren ze dan hun privelegers ? Schieten
ze je dan voor je harses ?

>Dat kan je ook wel eens weer zeggen!

Wat ?

>German de Algeciras

Ongebruikelijke naam voor iemand die Nederlands kent. Waar
kom jij vandaan. En aan jou zou ik ook willen vragen: hoe
lang heb jij in de VS gewoond ?

Rob

Wings

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In <3524A8FD...@cable.A2000.nl> "T.v.d. Brink" <"T.v.d.

Brink"@cable.A2000.nl> writes:
>
>
>
>BernhardB wrote:
>
>> houghi...@tande.com (houghi) wrote:
>>
>> >On 1 Apr 1998 13:23:08 GMT, fram...@EMIRATES.NET.AE (Mark
>> Framness)
>> >wrote:
>> ><snip>
>> >>
>> >>Bullshit to you!
>> >>
>> >>Pearl Harbor & the fact that Germany Declared War on the USA
>> first, had
>> >>nothing at all to do with it, huh?
>> >>
>> >This might come as a suprise, but the Germans did not attack
>> Pearl
>> >Harbour. I bet when Monaco declares war on the US, they would
>> not
>> >attack, even some countries that dit not have declared war on
>> the US
>> >were (are being) attacked.
>> ><snip>
>> >--
>> >houghi
>> -----------------------------------------------
>>
>> Lachen
>> en in U.S. way of life toch vrolijk zijn
>> dat is voor iedereen het klotemedicijn.
>>
>> b.
>
> You can say that again!
>
> Tim van den Brink
>
What's your reason to jump on the bandwagon?

Martina


T.v.d. Brink

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Apr 5, 1998, 4:00:00 AM4/5/98
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Wat doet het ertoe?
Als je niet van de Amerikaanse manier
houdt dan hou je er gewoon niet van.


Tim

Wings

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In <35274C3F...@cable.A2000.nl> "T.v.d. Brink" <"T.v.d.
Tja, zo kom je er wel makkelijk vanaf natuurlijk. Ik was alleen
geinteresseerd in waarom jij (en die b. ook) daar zo over dachten. Ik
ben trouwens ook niet bekend met wat jij onder de "Amerikaanse manier"
verstaat. Maar ik denk niet dat we daar verdere informatie over
krijgen.

Martina


T.v.d. Brink

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Wings wrote:

The American way of life?
Nou, dat is alles wat Amerikanen doen en ons proberen op te dringen.
De massa media, fast-food, merkkleding, entertainment, etc.
En waarom ik er zo over denk, nou dat zeg ik net al, ze proberen het de
hele wereld op te dringen.

Tim


Rob Barends

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In article <35274C3F...@cable.A2000.nl>, "T.v.d. Brink" <"T.v.d. Brink"@cable.A2000.nl> says:
>
>Wat doet het ertoe?
>Als je niet van de Amerikaanse manier
>houdt dan hou je er gewoon niet van.

Ja, en als je niet houdt van iets dat je niet kent ben je een eikel.

>Tim

Rob

Rob Barends

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In article <3527AC52...@cable.A2000.nl>, "T.v.d. Brink" <"T.v.d. Brink"@cable.A2000.nl> says:
>
>
>
>Wings wrote:
>
>> In <35274C3F...@cable.A2000.nl> "T.v.d. Brink" <"T.v.d.

>> Brink"@cable.A2000.nl> writes:
>> >
>> >Wat doet het ertoe?
>> >Als je niet van de Amerikaanse manier
>> >houdt dan hou je er gewoon niet van.
>> >
>> >
>> > Tim
>> >
>> Tja, zo kom je er wel makkelijk vanaf natuurlijk. Ik was alleen
>> geinteresseerd in waarom jij (en die b. ook) daar zo over dachten. Ik
>> ben trouwens ook niet bekend met wat jij onder de "Amerikaanse manier"
>> verstaat. Maar ik denk niet dat we daar verdere informatie over
>> krijgen.
>>
>> Martina
>>
>
> The American way of life?
>Nou, dat is alles wat Amerikanen doen en ons proberen op te dringen.
>De massa media, fast-food, merkkleding, entertainment, etc.
>En waarom ik er zo over denk, nou dat zeg ik net al, ze proberen het de
>hele wereld op te dringen.

Iedereen mag toch zeker proberen te verkopen wat we hebben ?
Je hebt zeker ook bezwaar tegen geimporteerde technologie ? En
tegen de goede films die uit de VS komen ? Kortom tegen alle
goede dingen die hiervandaan komen ? De voorbeelden die jij
noemt zijn weliswaar reeel, maar als "Amerika" er geen winst
op kon maken zouden ze snel vertrekken. Aangezien er wel winst
wordt gemaakt is het duidelijk dat heel veel NLers het totaal
niet met jou eens zijn.

Er is hier in Houston een Nederlandse winkel. De eigenaren zijn
Nederlands (mevrouw) en Texaans (meneer). Ze werken samen met een
Nederlands stel dat uitstekende kroketten en bitterballen maakt,
beter dan bv. de Moira kroketten die je bij AH kunt kopen. Verder
verkopen ze drop, souvenirs, t-shirts, buttons, Delfts Blauw en
andere NLse dingen, teveel om op te noemen. Ze werken ook via
mail-order. De winkel heeft een groot aantal NLse klanten, maar
de eigenaren hebben mij verteld dat het gros van hun klanten
Amerikaans is. Moet ik nu concluderen dat deze schandalige NLers
walgelijke NLse rotzooi aan heel Amerika proberen op te dringen ?
Of wordt jij zo gemakkelijk door de reclame beinvloed dat het je
dagelijkse gebruikspatronen regelmatig veranderd ?

>Tim

Rob


T.v.d. Brink

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> Iedereen mag toch zeker proberen te verkopen wat we hebben ?
> Je hebt zeker ook bezwaar tegen geimporteerde technologie ? En
> tegen de goede films die uit de VS komen ? Kortom tegen alle
> goede dingen die hiervandaan komen ? De voorbeelden die jij
> noemt zijn weliswaar reeel, maar als "Amerika" er geen winst
> op kon maken zouden ze snel vertrekken. Aangezien er wel winst
> wordt gemaakt is het duidelijk dat heel veel NLers het totaal
> niet met jou eens zijn.
>

Ja en dat is heel jammer.

> Er is hier in Houston een Nederlandse winkel. De eigenaren zijn
> Nederlands (mevrouw) en Texaans (meneer). Ze werken samen met een
> Nederlands stel dat uitstekende kroketten en bitterballen maakt,
> beter dan bv. de Moira kroketten die je bij AH kunt kopen. Verder
> verkopen ze drop, souvenirs, t-shirts, buttons, Delfts Blauw en
> andere NLse dingen, teveel om op te noemen. Ze werken ook via
> mail-order. De winkel heeft een groot aantal NLse klanten, maar
> de eigenaren hebben mij verteld dat het gros van hun klanten
> Amerikaans is. Moet ik nu concluderen dat deze schandalige NLers
> walgelijke NLse rotzooi aan heel Amerika proberen op te dringen ?
> Of wordt jij zo gemakkelijk door de reclame beinvloed dat het je
> dagelijkse gebruikspatronen regelmatig veranderd ?
>
> >Tim
>
> Rob

Nee, zij doen geen schandalig werk. En ik word niet beinvloed door reclame,
maar vele anderen wel. En als het zo massaal geexporteerd wordt dan krijg je ervan
zelf wel mee te maken.

Tim


Wings

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In <3527E6DB...@cable.A2000.nl> "T.v.d. Brink" <"T.v.d.

Zeg Tim, als jij er zo over denkt, mogen we dan aannemen dat je
bijvoorbeeld geen spijkerbroeken, baseball caps, t-shirts, Nike
sneakers enz. draagt? Dat je computer geen Windows heeft? Dat je ook
nooit bij McDonalds stopt voor een cheeseburger met franse frietjes? To
what extent do you practice what you preach?

>
> Tim
>

Martina (I love my baseball cap)

Wings

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In <6g6lh2$p...@ecuador.earthlink.net> rbar...@earthlink.net (Rob

Barends) writes:
>
>In article
<Pine.HPP.3.96.980404...@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu>,
German de Algeciras <gpat...@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu> says:
>>On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, T.v.d. Brink wrote:
>>> BernhardB wrote:
>>
>>> > Lachen
>>> > en in U.S. way of life toch vrolijk zijn
>>> > dat is voor iedereen het klotemedicijn.
>>> > b.
>>>You can say that again!
>>>Tim van den Brink
>
>Weet jij daar meer van ? Hoe lang heb jij in de VS gewoond ?

Ik krijg niet de indruk dat Tim (en b.) ooit in de VS gewoond hebben.


>
>>Beste kerel, die US way of life is maar een samenloop van
>>omstandigheden. Maar dat kan je toch tegen Amerikanen niet
>>zeggen.
>
>Waarom niet. Mobilizeren ze dan hun privelegers ? Schieten
>ze je dan voor je harses ?
>
>>Dat kan je ook wel eens weer zeggen!
>
>Wat ?
>
>>German de Algeciras
>
>Ongebruikelijke naam voor iemand die Nederlands kent. Waar
>kom jij vandaan. En aan jou zou ik ook willen vragen: hoe
>lang heb jij in de VS gewoond ?
>
>Rob

Martina


Rob Barends

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In article <6g9dps$7...@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com>, mj...@ix.netcom.com (Wings) says:
>In <6g6lh2$p...@ecuador.earthlink.net> rbar...@earthlink.net (Rob
>Barends) writes:
>>In article
><Pine.HPP.3.96.980404...@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu>,
>German de Algeciras <gpat...@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu> says:
>>>On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, T.v.d. Brink wrote:
>>>> BernhardB wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Lachen
>>>> > en in U.S. way of life toch vrolijk zijn
>>>> > dat is voor iedereen het klotemedicijn.
>>>> > b.
>>>>You can say that again!
>>>>Tim van den Brink
>>Weet jij daar meer van ? Hoe lang heb jij in de VS gewoond ?
>Ik krijg niet de indruk dat Tim (en b.) ooit in de VS gewoond hebben.

Ik weet wel zeker van niet. Ik vroeg slechts argeloos naar de
bekende weg :-) b.eetje is hondsdol en Timmy heeft last van
chronische ongeinformeerde vooroordelen.

>Martina

Rob (Ik, argeloos ? HA!!!)

T.v.d. Brink

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> Zeg Tim, als jij er zo over denkt, mogen we dan aannemen dat je
> bijvoorbeeld geen spijkerbroeken, baseball caps, t-shirts, Nike
> sneakers enz. draagt? Dat je computer geen Windows heeft? Dat je ook
> nooit bij McDonalds stopt voor een cheeseburger met franse frietjes? To
> what extent do you practice what you preach?
>

Voor sommige dingen heiligt het doel de middelen, Windows. Anders ishet niet zo makelijk om hier te spreken. Nike sneakers heb ik nog nooit van gehoord,
ik haat petjes, ik heb wel een of twee spijkerbroeken. Ik kom noot bij McDonalds,
en wat t-shirts betreft, ja ik draag ze van niet Amerikaanse merken, hetzelfde waarschijnlijk voor mijn spijkerbroeken, maar ik weet het is evengoed deel van
American culture. Dus ik vind dat ik het wel aardig doe, in vergelijking met
mijn losgeslagen landgenoten.

Tim

houghi

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On Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:17:16 +0200, "T.v.d. Brink" <"T.v.d.
Brink"@cable.A2000.nl> wrote:

>
>Voor sommige dingen heiligt het doel de middelen, Windows. Anders ishet niet zo makelijk om hier te spreken. Nike sneakers heb ik nog nooit van gehoord,
>ik haat petjes, ik heb wel een of twee spijkerbroeken. Ik kom noot bij McDonalds,
>en wat t-shirts betreft, ja ik draag ze van niet Amerikaanse merken, hetzelfde waarschijnlijk voor mijn spijkerbroeken, maar ik weet het is evengoed deel van
>American culture. Dus ik vind dat ik het wel aardig doe, in vergelijking met
>mijn losgeslagen landgenoten.

Uiteraard kunne we beter allemaal op Linux overgaan :-) Niet
Amerikaans. HTML en WWW zijn uit Zwitserland (CERN) afkomstig, dus dat
komt wel goed. Jeans (De Nimmes) komt uit Frankrijk. De Hamburger uit
Duitsland, (Net als de Hot Dog), Fast Food is ook in Azië zeer
populair en dit al van voordat Americo Vespucci het nieuwe continet
ontdekte.

Nog wat 'Amerikaanse' dingen. Baseball is simpel cricket, Basketball
is korfball en football is rugby.

En het leuke van die Amerikanen is: ze zijn bijna allemaal Europeanen.
(Ik ben op de hoogte van de ECHTE Amerikanen en van de Afrikaanse
Amerikanen.)

B. Jansen

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T.v.d. Brink <"T.v.d. Brink"@cable.A2000.nl> > wrote in message

<35289D9C...@cable.A2000.nl>...


>> Zeg Tim, als jij er zo over denkt, mogen we dan aannemen dat je
>> bijvoorbeeld geen spijkerbroeken, baseball caps, t-shirts, Nike
>> sneakers enz. draagt? Dat je computer geen Windows heeft? Dat je ook
>> nooit bij McDonalds stopt voor een cheeseburger met franse frietjes? To
>> what extent do you practice what you preach?
>>
>

>Voor sommige dingen heiligt het doel de middelen, Windows. Anders ishet
niet zo makelijk om hier te spreken. Nike sneakers heb ik nog nooit van
gehoord,
>ik haat petjes, ik heb wel een of twee spijkerbroeken. Ik kom noot bij
McDonalds,
>en wat t-shirts betreft, ja ik draag ze van niet Amerikaanse merken,
hetzelfde waarschijnlijk voor mijn spijkerbroeken, maar ik weet het is
evengoed deel van
>American culture. Dus ik vind dat ik het wel aardig doe, in vergelijking
met
>mijn losgeslagen landgenoten.


Wat een gelul, Timmetje Potje Pannetje Domineetje Melkkannetje van de Brink.
De US of A, en ik spreek uit ervaring, Timmetje Pimmetje, zijn beter dan
Nederland, Timmetje, omdat, Timmetje, alles in het buitenland BETER is dan
hier in dit grijze kutland, waar men slechts een Doel lijkt na te streven,
en dat is de ultieme middelmaat, de verstarrende en verstikkende middelmaat.
Die verstikkende middelmaat is nog erger dan de strontberg van die varkens,
die er godverdomme ook niets aan kunnen doen dat zij er zijn. Het is de
HOLLANDER in zijn volle glorie die er debet aan is dat er zoveel varkens
zijn zoals jij, en de Socialistiese Partij natuurlijk.

>> Martina (I love my baseball cap)


Oh, sorry, d'r is een dame in het gezelschap. Mijn excuses.
Ik heb er twee, een van de Cardinals (gekrompen omdat ik em een keertje
probeerde te wassen, dus die past niet meer...) en van de Yankees.

Bee
Gekrotspotst naar soc.culture.belgium; ik wil Belg worden, want zoveel onzin
van een landgenoot (omdat ie als zodanig in een soort van veestamboek is
opgenomen, waarin vadertje overheid nog net niet noteert hoe vaak je per
jaar naar de plee mag of met de buurvrouw mag copuleren)

Wings

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In <352ba5fb...@news.ping.be> houghi...@tande.com (houghi)
writes:
>
>On Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:17:16 +0200, "T.v.d. Brink" <"T.v.d.

>Brink"@cable.A2000.nl> wrote:
>
>>
>>Voor sommige dingen heiligt het doel de middelen, Windows. Anders
ishet niet zo makelijk om hier te spreken. Nike sneakers heb ik nog
nooit van gehoord,
>>ik haat petjes, ik heb wel een of twee spijkerbroeken. Ik kom noot
bij McDonalds,
>>en wat t-shirts betreft, ja ik draag ze van niet Amerikaanse merken,
hetzelfde waarschijnlijk voor mijn spijkerbroeken, maar ik weet het is
evengoed deel van
>>American culture. Dus ik vind dat ik het wel aardig doe, in
vergelijking met
>>mijn losgeslagen landgenoten.
>
>Uiteraard kunne we beter allemaal op Linux overgaan :-) Niet
>Amerikaans. HTML en WWW zijn uit Zwitserland (CERN) afkomstig, dus dat
>komt wel goed. Jeans (De Nimmes) komt uit Frankrijk. De Hamburger uit
>Duitsland, (Net als de Hot Dog), Fast Food is ook in Azië zeer
>populair en dit al van voordat Americo Vespucci het nieuwe continet
>ontdekte.
>
>Nog wat 'Amerikaanse' dingen. Baseball is simpel cricket, Basketball
>is korfball en football is rugby.

Not quite, but I'm not going to go into the differences with you.

>
>En het leuke van die Amerikanen is: ze zijn bijna allemaal Europeanen.

Some of them, sure. Others, no. You are misinformed.

>(Ik ben op de hoogte van de ECHTE Amerikanen en van de Afrikaanse
>Amerikanen.)

Yeah I am too. Would you like to discuss that further?

>--
>houghi - delete one houghi from the return address
>
>Oehoehoughiboeroe is het voor mij.

Whatever melts your butter.

Martina

houghi

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On 7 Apr 1998 00:43:32 GMT, mj...@ix.netcom.com (Wings) wrote:
<snip>

>>
>>Uiteraard kunne we beter allemaal op Linux overgaan :-) Niet
>>Amerikaans. HTML en WWW zijn uit Zwitserland (CERN) afkomstig, dus dat
>>komt wel goed. Jeans (De Nimmes) komt uit Frankrijk. De Hamburger uit
>>Duitsland, (Net als de Hot Dog), Fast Food is ook in Azië zeer
>>populair en dit al van voordat Americo Vespucci het nieuwe continet
>>ontdekte.
>>
>>Nog wat 'Amerikaanse' dingen. Baseball is simpel cricket, Basketball
>>is korfball en football is rugby.
>
>Not quite, but I'm not going to go into the differences with you.
Pitty, what I wanted to say is that these sports and products are in
origin from Europe. (Just for your information, Basketball is not, it
is a genuine US invention. Korfball is nicer, because sometimes teams
are mixed and not only male or female)

>>En het leuke van die Amerikanen is: ze zijn bijna allemaal Europeanen.
>
>Some of them, sure. Others, no. You are misinformed.

Most of them have Eoropean ancestors, even the Mexicans and the people
from Puerto Rico.


>
>>(Ik ben op de hoogte van de ECHTE Amerikanen en van de Afrikaanse
>>Amerikanen.)
>
>Yeah I am too. Would you like to discuss that further?

Sure, how is the percentage from African Americans compared to
'European Americans" and "Asian Americans".

Funny thing is I see all these 'actors' telling that they are from
Italy, ireland or whatever and they probably don't even know where to
look for it.

<troll>
I am also aware that not all Americas have loud shirts, are old and
have blue hair, but why are those the ones who get out ofn the
country?
</troll>

Robert-Jan Veldhuizen

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On 07-apr-98 10:52:18, houghi wrote:

> On 7 Apr 1998 00:43:32 GMT, mj...@ix.netcom.com (Wings) wrote:
> <snip>

> <troll>


> I am also aware that not all Americas have loud shirts, are old and
> have blue hair, but why are those the ones who get out ofn the
> country?
> </troll>

You forgot: why are they all so FAT?

--
Zorba/Robert-Jan


Miss Maggie

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Robert-Jan Veldhuizen wrote in message <340.7401T...@xs4all.nl>...


The fat ones go to Holland where they can enjoy greasy french fries
slathered with mayonnaise with the corpulent locals. They've found good
company in your country!


Robert-Jan Veldhuizen

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On 07-apr-98 23:30:37, Miss Maggie wrote:

MM> Robert-Jan Veldhuizen wrote in message <340.7401T...@xs4all.nl>...


>>On 07-apr-98 10:52:18, houghi wrote:
>>
>>> On 7 Apr 1998 00:43:32 GMT, mj...@ix.netcom.com (Wings) wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>
>>> <troll>
>>> I am also aware that not all Americas have loud shirts, are old and
>>> have blue hair, but why are those the ones who get out ofn the
>>> country?
>>> </troll>
>>
>>You forgot: why are they all so FAT?

MM> The fat ones go to Holland where they can enjoy greasy french fries
MM> slathered with mayonnaise with the corpulent locals.

We make those for the tourists! And corpulent locals? Well we have some,
but recent studies confirmed what everbody already knew: lots of
Americans today weigh too much, while the situation in Holland is much
better, *even* when compared to other european countries!

MM> They've found good
MM> company in your country!

I'm afraid not. Too fat may be normal in the USA by now, but here it
certainly isn't and you will be stared at!

I guess it all comes down to most Americans only understanding the word
'quantity', not 'quality'.

--
Zorba/Robert-Jan


Kees van den Doel

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In article <1153.7402...@xs4all.nl>,
Robert-Jan Veldhuizen <veld...@xs4all.nl> wrote:

>We make those for the tourists! And corpulent locals? Well we have some,
>but recent studies confirmed what everbody already knew: lots of
>Americans today weigh too much, while the situation in Holland is much

Mucho bieno! Velo vreto izzo goedo zeggen Holaders.

> MM> They've found good company in your country!

>I'm afraid not. Too fat may be normal in the USA by now, but here it
>certainly isn't and you will be stared at!

>I guess it all comes down to most Americans only understanding the word
>'quantity', not 'quality'.

Wat een onzin. De kwaliteit van de Amirikaanse "grewters" is groter dan
de Nederlandse hoewel er meer "grewters" in Nederland zijn.

Dit weerlegt jouw uitspraak 100% en je moet nu je excuses aanbieden en
toegen dat je het mis had.


Kees

Susan Umpleby

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Robert-Jan Veldhuizen <veld...@xs4all.nl> wrote in article

<340.7401T...@xs4all.nl>...
> On 07-apr-98 10:52:18, houghi wrote:
>
> > On 7 Apr 1998 00:43:32 GMT, mj...@ix.netcom.com (Wings) wrote:
> > <snip>
>
> > <troll>
> > I am also aware that not all Americas have loud shirts, are old
and
> > have blue hair, but why are those the ones who get out ofn the
> > country?
> > </troll>


> You forgot: why are they all so FAT?
>

> Zorba/Robert-Jan

------------------------
:) Well, Robert, I'll let you in on our national secret, but promise
not to spread it around. Our FAT is actually a well-planned
phenomenon, implemented on a national scale:

1) our FAT creates jobs & economic opportunities by supporting a
vast network of fitness centers, diet foods, home exercise equipment,
fitness advisors, & exercise clothing manufacturers--thereby
enriching our economy.

2) we aid in the conservation of natural resources, since our FAT
insulates us from cold & heat. Thermostats are adjusted accordingly
and untold amounts of oil, gas & electricity are thereby saved.

3) our FAT save us money when travelling in other countries--able to
live off our FAT to some extent, we don't have to spend as much money
on food.

4) our FAT also benefits those countries we travel in--spending less
on food means that the average American tourist can spend more $
buying items to take home, and so giving a boost to the economies of
those countries.

5) our FAT enables us to spread the desire for the *American way of
life* in those countries that equate extra body fat with success &
wealth, thereby helping to stop the spread of communism.

6) our FAT aids us in our desire to improve the lives of people in
other nations. It is a proven medical fact that laughter is good for
your health in general, and stress & blood pressure in particular.
It warms our hearts that we average citizens can do our part to help
when travelling abroad--our FAT makes you laugh & helps you at the
same time.

So, the next time you see a FAT American tourist you will know that
person is doing his or her bit for the world in general.


Miss Maggie

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Robert-Jan Veldhuizen wrote in message <1153.7402...@xs4all.nl>...


>>>You forgot: why are they all so FAT?
>

> MM> The fat ones go to Holland where they can enjoy greasy french fries
> MM> slathered with mayonnaise with the corpulent locals.
>

>We make those for the tourists! And corpulent locals? Well we have some,
>but recent studies confirmed what everbody already knew: lots of
>Americans today weigh too much, while the situation in Holland is much

>better, *even* when compared to other european countries!


I have questions on the standards. Remember, Europe is where wife beating
is considered "normal marital behavior." Are the standards for obesity the
exact same in both? I've seen plenty of overweight people in Europe.

In any case, why do you have such a problem with obesity? We're not
terribly troubled by you smoking so much, and that's far more unhealthy than
being overweight.

> MM> They've found good

> MM> company in your country!


>
>I'm afraid not. Too fat may be normal in the USA by now, but here it
>certainly isn't and you will be stared at!

Unless you abide by the Dutch European beauty standard, you will be stared
at like a circus beast. How welcoming and accepting of you.

>I guess it all comes down to most Americans only understanding the word
>'quantity', not 'quality'.

And from where did you derive this little gem, Mr. American of Europe?

Miss Maggie

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Susan, you are precious! I really enjoyed this one! :)
Maggie

Susan Umpleby wrote in message <01bd62a7$9ba23000$fa6ffed0@default>...

>> You forgot: why are they all so FAT?
>>

T-Bear

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Miss Maggie heeft geschreven in bericht ...
>Robert-Jan Veldhuizen wrote in message <1153.7402...@xs4all.nl>...

>>>>You forgot: why are they all so FAT?

>I have questions on the standards. Remember, Europe is where wife beating


>is considered "normal marital behavior."

HUH? Not in Holland it is! It is the other way round. Our opinions are
influenced by Jerry Springer and the lot though.

T-Bear
t-b...@REM.OVEgeocities.com
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Bistro/6982/ (updated)
) ( ICQ: 8322501
(00)
((^))
-(((-)))- The truth is out there......

Miss Maggie

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T-Bear wrote in message <6ggbrt$e0n$4...@news.worldonline.nl>...


>Miss Maggie heeft geschreven in bericht ...
>>Robert-Jan Veldhuizen wrote in message <1153.7402...@xs4all.nl>...
>>>>>You forgot: why are they all so FAT?
>
>>I have questions on the standards. Remember, Europe is where wife beating
>>is considered "normal marital behavior."
>
>HUH? Not in Holland it is! It is the other way round. Our opinions are
>influenced by Jerry Springer and the lot though.


Beating your spouse is illegal and fully prosecutable.

In any case, thanks for being honest about your TV influences. It seems far
too many Europeans spend too much time in front of the television.


T-Bear

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Miss Maggie heeft geschreven in bericht ...
>
>T-Bear wrote in message <6ggbrt$e0n$4...@news.worldonline.nl>...
>>Miss Maggie heeft geschreven in bericht ...
>>>Robert-Jan Veldhuizen wrote in message <1153.7402...@xs4all.nl>...
>>>>>>You forgot: why are they all so FAT?

>>>I have questions on the standards. Remember, Europe is where wife
beating
>>>is considered "normal marital behavior."

>>HUH? Not in Holland it is! It is the other way round. Our opinions are
>>influenced by Jerry Springer and the lot though.


>Beating your spouse is illegal and fully prosecutable.


Off course it is, but why do you think that it is very common in Europe. I
can only speak for the Netherlands, but I think that it is the same here as
in the USA. Why do you think different? I do not think that Dutch men
consider it "normal marital behavior."


I think that I will never be able to beat up a woman. Only when she begins
beating up me!

>In any case, thanks for being honest about your TV influences. It seems
far
>too many Europeans spend too much time in front of the television.

I spend only half an hour a day in front of the television during weakdays.
The weekends much more as I like to see the CART, NASCAR, F1, SBK, FIM GP
races and sometimes I spend 5 hours watching the newest R&B releases on
TMF's Sylvana's Soul.

Jerry and his TV friends bore me. Sometimes I take a look at the fights when
my brother warns me!

T-Bear
t-b...@REM.OVEgeocities.com ICQ: 8322501
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Bistro/6982/ (some R&B lyrics)
)

Miss Maggie

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T-Bear wrote in message <6ggmi7$qdd$7...@news.worldonline.nl>...


>Miss Maggie heeft geschreven in bericht ...

>>>>I have questions on the standards. Remember, Europe is where wife
>beating
>>>>is considered "normal marital behavior."
>>>HUH? Not in Holland it is! It is the other way round. Our opinions are
>>>influenced by Jerry Springer and the lot though.
>>Beating your spouse is illegal and fully prosecutable.
>Off course it is, but why do you think that it is very common in Europe. I
>can only speak for the Netherlands, but I think that it is the same here as
>in the USA. Why do you think different? I do not think that Dutch men
>consider it "normal marital behavior."

Don't know if it's the same in Holland, but a Belgian friend has a friend
still in Belgium who's fighting a losing battle against public sentiment
that beating a wife every once in a while is normal marital behavior.

>I think that I will never be able to beat up a woman. Only when she begins
>beating up me!

In the US, that's still really not a valid excuse. A woman is typically in
a much weaker position to hurt someone.

>>In any case, thanks for being honest about your TV influences. It seems
>far
>>too many Europeans spend too much time in front of the television.
>
>I spend only half an hour a day in front of the television during weakdays.
>The weekends much more as I like to see the CART, NASCAR, F1, SBK, FIM GP
>races and sometimes I spend 5 hours watching the newest R&B releases on
>TMF's Sylvana's Soul.
>
>Jerry and his TV friends bore me. Sometimes I take a look at the fights
when
>my brother warns me!

You've seen enough to confirm your ill-founded generalizations that American
men beat their wives and we're all okay with it!


Robert-Jan Veldhuizen

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On 08-apr-98 06:04:53, Miss Maggie wrote:

MM> Robert-Jan Veldhuizen wrote in message <1153.7402...@xs4all.nl>...


>>>>You forgot: why are they all so FAT?
>>

>> MM> The fat ones go to Holland where they can enjoy greasy french fries MM>
>> slathered with mayonnaise with the corpulent locals.
>>
>>We make those for the tourists! And corpulent locals? Well we have some, but
>>recent studies confirmed what everbody already knew: lots of Americans today
>>weigh too much, while the situation in Holland is much better, *even* when
>>compared to other european countries!

MM> I have questions on the standards. Remember, Europe is where wife
MM> beating is considered "normal marital behavior."

I guess you're confused. While there *is* a Paris in Texas, Texas lies
in the USA.

MM> Are the standards for
MM> obesity the exact same in both? I've seen plenty of overweight people in
MM> Europe.

Well then there are megaplenty of them in the USA!

MM> In any case, why do you have such a problem with obesity? We're not
MM> terribly troubled by you smoking so much, and that's far more unhealthy
MM> than being overweight.

No.

>> MM> They've found good
>> MM> company in your country!
>>
>>I'm afraid not. Too fat may be normal in the USA by now, but here it
>>certainly isn't and you will be stared at!

MM> Unless you abide by the Dutch European beauty standard, you will be
MM> stared at like a circus beast. How welcoming and accepting of you.

"Beast" is more a term which apllies to the average overweighted
McDonalds American.

>>I guess it all comes down to most Americans only understanding the word
>>'quantity', not 'quality'.

MM> And from where did you derive this little gem, Mr. American of Europe?

It's common knowledge. At least here in Europe.

--
Zorba/Robert-Jan


Robert-Jan Veldhuizen

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On 08-apr-98 18:48:39, Miss Maggie wrote:

MM> T-Bear wrote in message <6ggbrt$e0n$4...@news.worldonline.nl>...


>>Miss Maggie heeft geschreven in bericht ...

>>>Robert-Jan Veldhuizen wrote in message <1153.7402...@xs4all.nl>...
>>>>>>You forgot: why are they all so FAT?
>>

>>>I have questions on the standards. Remember, Europe is where wife beating


>>>is considered "normal marital behavior."
>>

>>HUH? Not in Holland it is! It is the other way round. Our opinions are
>>influenced by Jerry Springer and the lot though.

Speak for yourself, Grom-bear. I don't watch that American shit.

MM> Beating your spouse is illegal and fully prosecutable.

MM> In any case, thanks for being honest about your TV influences. It seems
MM> far too many Europeans spend too much time in front of the television.

Didn't you know that much of the overweight, especially of children, is
caused by them watching too much TV?

Some even learn how to use guns while watching, how educational!

BTW American television is a nice example of quantity without quality.

--
Zorba/Robert-Jan


Robert-Jan Veldhuizen

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On 08-apr-98 05:37:10, Susan Umpleby wrote:

SU> Robert-Jan Veldhuizen <veld...@xs4all.nl> wrote in article
SU> <340.7401T...@xs4all.nl>...


>> On 07-apr-98 10:52:18, houghi wrote:
>>
>> > On 7 Apr 1998 00:43:32 GMT, mj...@ix.netcom.com (Wings) wrote:
>> > <snip>
>>
>> > <troll>
>> > I am also aware that not all Americas have loud shirts, are old

SU> and


>> > have blue hair, but why are those the ones who get out ofn the
>> > country?
>> > </troll>

>> You forgot: why are they all so FAT?
>>

>> Zorba/Robert-Jan

SU> ------------------------
SU> :) Well, Robert, I'll let you in on our national secret, but promise
SU> not to spread it around. Our FAT is actually a well-planned
SU> phenomenon, implemented on a national scale:

[six-pack action plan]

SU> So, the next time you see a FAT American tourist you will know that
SU> person is doing his or her bit for the world in general.

Thanks for sharing your insight in this matter! Still one question
though: why are the Americans so generous to the whole world then?

--
Zorba/Robert-Jan


Robert-Jan Veldhuizen

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On 08-apr-98 04:38:35, Kees van den Doel wrote:

Kvd> In article <1153.7402...@xs4all.nl>,


Kvd> Robert-Jan Veldhuizen <veld...@xs4all.nl> wrote:

>>We make those for the tourists! And corpulent locals? Well we have some, but
>>recent studies confirmed what everbody already knew: lots of Americans today
>>weigh too much, while the situation in Holland is much

Kvd> Mucho bieno! Velo vreto izzo goedo zeggen Holaders.

>> MM> They've found good company in your country!

>>I'm afraid not. Too fat may be normal in the USA by now, but here it
>>certainly isn't and you will be stared at!

>>I guess it all comes down to most Americans only understanding the word


>>'quantity', not 'quality'.

Kvd> Wat een onzin. De kwaliteit van de Amirikaanse "grewters" is groter dan
Kvd> de Nederlandse hoewel er meer "grewters" in Nederland zijn.

Kvd> Dit weerlegt jouw uitspraak 100% en je moet nu je excuses aanbieden en
Kvd> toegen dat je het mis had.

Ok ik toeg dat ik het mis had en jouw Amirikaanse "grewters" weerlegt
dat 100%.

Kvd> Kees

--
Zorba/Robert-Jan


olivier laurent

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Miss Maggie wrote:

> Don't know if it's the same in Holland, but a Belgian friend has a friend
> still in Belgium who's fighting a losing battle against public sentiment
> that beating a wife every once in a while is normal marital behavior.
>

??? :-) where does miss maggie come from ? She seems to have friends in every
countries in the world, she knows everything by personnal experience (arguments
? she don't need its) .

She's really fascinating ;-) . And she has a friend who knows a friend who knows
somebody else ...

;-)

Wings

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In <340.7401T...@xs4all.nl> Robert-Jan Veldhuizen

<veld...@xs4all.nl> writes:
>
>On 07-apr-98 10:52:18, houghi wrote:
>
>> On 7 Apr 1998 00:43:32 GMT, mj...@ix.netcom.com (Wings) wrote:
>> <snip>
>
>> <troll>
>> I am also aware that not all Americas have loud shirts, are old and

>> have blue hair, but why are those the ones who get out ofn the
>> country?
>> </troll>
>
>You forgot: why are they all so FAT?

They are not ALL so FAT. Granted, some are, but most are not.

Martina

>
>--
>Zorba/Robert-Jan
>


Robert-Jan Veldhuizen

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Ben jij eigenlijk FAT? Ik niet, maar ja, ik h^Hben dan ook een gezonde
Hollandse jongen!

--
Zorba/Robert-Jan


Miss Maggie

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Robert-Jan Veldhuizen wrote in message <1811.7402...@xs4all.nl>...

> MM> I have questions on the standards. Remember, Europe is where wife
> MM> beating is considered "normal marital behavior."
>
>I guess you're confused. While there *is* a Paris in Texas, Texas lies
>in the USA.


Another pathetic stereotype. Never been to Texas, have you? It must be
nice subsisting on media-generated stereotypes over there in Amsterdam.

> MM> Are the standards for
> MM> obesity the exact same in both? I've seen plenty of overweight people
in
> MM> Europe.
>
>Well then there are megaplenty of them in the USA!

Really? Have you ever been here? Where did you go?

> MM> In any case, why do you have such a problem with obesity? We're not
> MM> terribly troubled by you smoking so much, and that's far more
unhealthy
> MM> than being overweight.
>
>No.

Yes, I guess you're not terribly troubled by smoking too much. It's nice to
see that we agree at least on one point.

> MM> Unless you abide by the Dutch European beauty standard, you will be
> MM> stared at like a circus beast. How welcoming and accepting of you.
>
>"Beast" is more a term which apllies to the average overweighted
>McDonalds American.

What's this obsession with McDonald's in Europe? Are you upset that they
don't serve enough mayonnaise with the french fries for your fancy? You
can't bring up America with some Europeans without talking about McDonald''s
and Coca Cola. I guess since this is all they choose to see about our
society, it's just an instance of willful ignorance.

>>>I guess it all comes down to most Americans only understanding the word
>>>'quantity', not 'quality'.
>

> MM> And from where did you derive this little gem, Mr. American of Europe?
>
>It's common knowledge. At least here in Europe.

Isn't it also 'common knowledge' in the rest of Europe that the Dutch are
incredibly lazy, greedy, penny-pinching, drug-addicted prostitutes?

Thank goodness not everyone relies on such "common knowledge" in
understanding the world...


Miss Maggie

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Robert-Jan Veldhuizen wrote in message <1080.7402...@xs4all.nl>...


> MM> In any case, thanks for being honest about your TV influences. It
seems
> MM> far too many Europeans spend too much time in front of the television.

>
>Didn't you know that much of the overweight, especially of children, is
>caused by them watching too much TV?

No, I had no idea. It's wonderful that we have such a reputable authority
on such matters to set things straight for us.

>Some even learn how to use guns while watching, how educational!

Yes, Jerry Springer, Ricki Lake and Jenny Jones each have weekly "How to
shoot your classmates!" episodes. I guess you get them too by satellite
feed. And you maintain that we don't have educational television here!

>BTW American television is a nice example of quantity without quality.

I can see why you Dutch are called the "Americans of Europe." You choose to
import so much of this "quantity-based" television to your shores. Hey, if
you didn't have it, where would you come up with so many wonderful
stereotypes?!

Miss Maggie

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olivier laurent wrote in message <352C1507...@arcadis.N.O.S.PAM.be>...

Well, finally I get some appreciation out of you European buggers! :)
Honey, 56 years (oops, I dated myself), raising two children almost
completely on your own, and now effectively raising my two grandchildren can
give you some insights.

In any case, I don't personally know the Belgian woman working against
spouse abuse. I *do* know a Belgian friend who lives here and is close to
this woman. I live in San Francisco, and you have the opportunity to meet
all sorts of people from all over the world here.


Miss Maggie

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Wings wrote in message <6gh8pg$m...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>...


>In <340.7401T...@xs4all.nl> Robert-Jan Veldhuizen
><veld...@xs4all.nl> writes:

>>You forgot: why are they all so FAT?
>
>They are not ALL so FAT. Granted, some are, but most are not.
>

>Martina


Beware, Martina. Robert-Johan von Veldhauser and some others may lynch you
for 'treason'. You can not betray royal Dutch stereotypes about Americans
and get away with it!

T-Bear

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Robert-Jan Veldhuizen heeft geschreven in bericht
<1080.7402...@xs4all.nl>...

>On 08-apr-98 18:48:39, Miss Maggie wrote:

> MM> T-Bear wrote in message <6ggbrt$e0n$4...@news.worldonline.nl>...
>>>Miss Maggie heeft geschreven in bericht ...

>>>>Robert-Jan Veldhuizen wrote in message <1153.7402...@xs4all.nl>...


>>>>>>>You forgot: why are they all so FAT?

>>>>I have questions on the standards. Remember, Europe is where wife

beating
>>>>is considered "normal marital behavior."

>>>HUH? Not in Holland it is! It is the other way round. Our opinions are


>>>influenced by Jerry Springer and the lot though.

>Speak for yourself, Grom-bear. I don't watch that American shit.

Hey have I signed the message with your name? Admit it, you must have been
watching Ophrah, Springer, whatever in a certain dark period of your live!
Don't you even watch Jay Leno?


T-Bear
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houghi

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On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:56:40 +0200, "T-Bear"
<t-b...@REM.OVEgeocities.com> wrote:
<snip>

>
>Hey have I signed the message with your name? Admit it, you must have been
>watching Ophrah, Springer, whatever in a certain dark period of your live!
>Don't you even watch Jay Leno?

I thought Jay Leno was Italian. At least, that is what he keeps saying
himself all the time. Maybe he is ashamed to be American.

Must say that I live Baywatch. No nonsence, only bodies t.v. More of
this please.

(And I don't even have a tv)

houghi

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On Thu, 09 Apr 1998 05:49:54 GMT, "Miss Maggie" <se...@nojunk.com>
wrote:
<snip>

>
>Isn't it also 'common knowledge' in the rest of Europe that the Dutch are
>incredibly lazy, greedy, penny-pinching, drug-addicted prostitutes?
Thats why we call it heaven. Slow sex for almost free.

>
>Thank goodness not everyone relies on such "common knowledge" in
>understanding the world...

Typical.

Miss Maggie

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houghi wrote in message <352e932e...@news.ping.be>...

>I thought Jay Leno was Italian. At least, that is what he keeps saying
>himself all the time. Maybe he is ashamed to be American.


"Italian" means "Italian-American." The American part is understood by his
language, his behavior, his birthplace, residence, etc. He's speaking to an
American audience, so they know that he's not "ashamed to be American."

>Must say that I live Baywatch. No nonsence, only bodies t.v. More of
>this please.

Number one TV show in the world, because yahoos like you love it so much.
Maybe you can get breast implants and enjoy playing with them as much as you
enjoy the show.

>(And I don't even have a tv)

Do you get TV signals transmitted directly to your brain?

houghi

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On Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:32:58 GMT, "Miss Maggie" <se...@nojunk.com>
wrote:

>


>houghi wrote in message <352e932e...@news.ping.be>...
>
>>I thought Jay Leno was Italian. At least, that is what he keeps saying
>>himself all the time. Maybe he is ashamed to be American.
>
>
>"Italian" means "Italian-American." The American part is understood by his
>language, his behavior, his birthplace, residence, etc. He's speaking to an
>American audience, so they know that he's not "ashamed to be American."

Ahh, like African-American means African. Clears a lot up.

>
>>Must say that I live Baywatch. No nonsence, only bodies t.v. More of
>>this please.
>
>Number one TV show in the world, because yahoos like you love it so much.
>Maybe you can get breast implants and enjoy playing with them as much as you
>enjoy the show.

That is what the movies is about. Looking at things you do not see in
real live. Why are there only ugly people on Dutch tv? Because that is
what we normaly do not see in our daily lives.

>
>>(And I don't even have a tv)
>
>Do you get TV signals transmitted directly to your brain?

Duhhhh, you need a brain for that. (better to say it myself)

Miss Maggie

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houghi wrote in message <353499ff...@news.ping.be>...


>On Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:32:58 GMT, "Miss Maggie" <se...@nojunk.com>

>>"Italian" means "Italian-American." The American part is understood by
his
>>language, his behavior, his birthplace, residence, etc. He's speaking to
an
>>American audience, so they know that he's not "ashamed to be American."
>Ahh, like African-American means African. Clears a lot up.


African-American means an American of African anscestry, and
Italian-American means an American of Italian anscestry. Get it?

>That is what the movies is about. Looking at things you do not see in
>real live. Why are there only ugly people on Dutch tv? Because that is
>what we normaly do not see in our daily lives.

Yes, no ugly people in Holland. Just on TV.

>>Do you get TV signals transmitted directly to your brain?
>Duhhhh, you need a brain for that. (better to say it myself)

You live Beavis and Butthead too, don't you?


Kees van den Doel

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In article <1081.7402...@xs4all.nl>,
Robert-Jan Veldhuizen <veld...@xs4all.nl> wrote:

>>>I guess it all comes down to most Americans only understanding the word
>>>'quantity', not 'quality'.

> Kvd> Wat een onzin. De kwaliteit van de Amirikaanse "grewters" is groter dan


> Kvd> de Nederlandse hoewel er meer "grewters" in Nederland zijn.

> Kvd> Dit weerlegt jouw uitspraak 100% en je moet nu je excuses aanbieden en
> Kvd> toegen dat je het mis had.

>Ok ik toeg dat ik het mis had en jouw Amirikaanse "grewters" weerlegt
>dat 100%.

Dt ize helle grotte boel goede Zoro! Mij is hel blei metted feno meen.


Ksee

Robert-Jan Veldhuizen

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On 09-apr-98 12:03:12, Miss Maggie wrote:

MM> houghi wrote in message <353499ff...@news.ping.be>...


>>On Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:32:58 GMT, "Miss Maggie" <se...@nojunk.com>
>>>"Italian" means "Italian-American." The American part is understood by

MM> his


>>>language, his behavior, his birthplace, residence, etc. He's speaking to

MM> an


>>>American audience, so they know that he's not "ashamed to be American."
>>Ahh, like African-American means African. Clears a lot up.


MM> African-American means an American of African anscestry, and
MM> Italian-American means an American of Italian anscestry. Get it?

Thank you, that brings us to another really interesting issue:

American-American, means an American of American ancestry.

--
Zorba/Robert-Jan


Robert-Jan Veldhuizen

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On 09-apr-98 06:58:30, Miss Maggie wrote:

MM> Wings wrote in message <6gh8pg$m...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>...


>>In <340.7401T...@xs4all.nl> Robert-Jan Veldhuizen
>><veld...@xs4all.nl> writes:

>>>You forgot: why are they all so FAT?
>>

>>They are not ALL so FAT. Granted, some are, but most are not.
>>
>>Martina

MM> Beware, Martina. Robert-Johan von Veldhauser and some others may lynch
MM> you for 'treason'. You can not betray royal Dutch stereotypes about
MM> Americans and get away with it!

I'm Dutch, not German.

And you're Miss "can't get away with it" Maggie and she is Martina
"wings of an angel", your captain.

--
Zorba/Robert-Jan


Robert-Jan Veldhuizen

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On 09-apr-98 06:52:55, Miss Maggie wrote:

MM> Robert-Jan Veldhuizen wrote in message <1080.7402...@xs4all.nl>...


>> MM> In any case, thanks for being honest about your TV influences. It

MM> seems


>> MM> far too many Europeans spend too much time in front of the television.

>>
>>Didn't you know that much of the overweight, especially of children, is
>>caused by them watching too much TV?

MM> No, I had no idea. It's wonderful that we have such a reputable
MM> authority on such matters to set things straight for us.

I guess the Dead Kennedies were right with their "Bedtime for
Democracy".

>>Some even learn how to use guns while watching, how educational!

MM> Yes, Jerry Springer, Ricki Lake and Jenny Jones each have weekly "How to
MM> shoot your classmates!" episodes. I guess you get them too by satellite
MM> feed. And you maintain that we don't have educational television here!

No, i just told you that you *do*: isn't learning how to shoot one of
the essentials of American happy family life?

>>BTW American television is a nice example of quantity without quality.

MM> I can see why you Dutch are called the "Americans of Europe." You choose
MM> to import so much of this "quantity-based" television to your shores.
MM> Hey, if you didn't have it, where would you come up with so many
MM> wonderful stereotypes?!

Indeed, good to see you agree with the lack of quality.

--
Zorba/Robert-Jan


Fustigator

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Lectorum salutem hic do. Tu "Miss Maggie" <se...@nojunk.com> ,die Wed,
08 Apr 1998 20:49:20 GMT, hic coram populo in foro
soc.culture.netherlands (et alii) vehementer atque tauri
excrementaliter scripsisti:

>
>T-Bear wrote in message <6ggmi7$qdd$7...@news.worldonline.nl>...


>>Miss Maggie heeft geschreven in bericht ...

>>>>>I have questions on the standards. Remember, Europe is where wife
>>beating
>>>>>is considered "normal marital behavior."
>>>>HUH? Not in Holland it is! It is the other way round. Our opinions are
>>>>influenced by Jerry Springer and the lot though.

>>>Beating your spouse is illegal and fully prosecutable.

>>Off course it is, but why do you think that it is very common in Europe. I
>>can only speak for the Netherlands, but I think that it is the same here as
>>in the USA. Why do you think different? I do not think that Dutch men
>>consider it "normal marital behavior."
>

>Don't know if it's the same in Holland, but a Belgian friend has a friend
>still in Belgium who's fighting a losing battle against public sentiment
>that beating a wife every once in a while is normal marital behavior.

ha ha ha ha...
my dutch wife never complained about this, despite we settled here in
my native country, Belgium, 30 years ago! And never heard anything
like over here...

what the fuck is that for bullshit!

>>I think that I will never be able to beat up a woman. Only when she begins
>>beating up me!
>
>In the US, that's still really not a valid excuse. A woman is typically in
>a much weaker position to hurt someone.

Not if she's good in shooting.

>>>In any case, thanks for being honest about your TV influences. It seems


>>far
>>>too many Europeans spend too much time in front of the television.
>>

>>I spend only half an hour a day in front of the television during weakdays.
>>The weekends much more as I like to see the CART, NASCAR, F1, SBK, FIM GP
>>races and sometimes I spend 5 hours watching the newest R&B releases on
>>TMF's Sylvana's Soul.
>>
>>Jerry and his TV friends bore me. Sometimes I take a look at the fights
>when
>>my brother warns me!
>
>You've seen enough to confirm your ill-founded generalizations that American
>men beat their wives and we're all okay with it!
>

And you , imagining it could be the case in Belgium...

shoud you make Karl Marx's statement true:
"Bullshitters of all countries, unite"?

Fustigator
http://oehoeboeroe.icone.org/scn/scn.htm

Miss Maggie

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Robert-Jan Veldhuizen wrote in message <766.7403T...@xs4all.nl>...

>American-American, means an American of American ancestry.


I guess they could use that if they wanted to, but they usually don't. They
prefer "Indian", "American Indian" or "Native American." Perhaps you make
the suggestion the appropriate groups.


Miss Maggie

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Robert-Jan Veldhuizen wrote in message <662.7403T...@xs4all.nl>...

>>>They are not ALL so FAT. Granted, some are, but most are not.

> MM> Beware, Martina. Robert-Johan von Veldhauser and some others may


lynch
> MM> you for 'treason'. You can not betray royal Dutch stereotypes about
> MM> Americans and get away with it!
>
>I'm Dutch, not German.


I know. I just know how you Dutch hate the Germans, so I particularly
enjoyed Germanizing your name. :)

>And you're Miss "can't get away with it" Maggie and she is Martina
>"wings of an angel", your captain.

Captain, my captain! At your service!


Miss Maggie

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Robert-Jan Veldhuizen wrote in message <1438.7403...@xs4all.nl>...

> MM> No, I had no idea. It's wonderful that we have such a reputable
> MM> authority on such matters to set things straight for us.
>
>I guess the Dead Kennedies were right with their "Bedtime for
>Democracy".


I'm seeing a pattern here.... these disgruntled Europeans are hearing music
lyrics and taking them to be the gospel. It's interesting you've found a
handful of capitalist rich white boys to be your source of propaganda.

>No, i just told you that you *do*: isn't learning how to shoot one of
>the essentials of American happy family life?

Absolutely, just like smoking crack, knifing people for money, never working
and prostituting your children are the essentials of happy Dutch family
life.

> MM> I can see why you Dutch are called the "Americans of Europe." You
choose
> MM> to import so much of this "quantity-based" television to your shores.
> MM> Hey, if you didn't have it, where would you come up with so many
> MM> wonderful stereotypes?!
>
>Indeed, good to see you agree with the lack of quality.

We know what the export market likes, and from your own account, it *is*
quantity over quality. Congratulate *yourselves*, why don't you?!

Miss Maggie

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Fustigator wrote in message <3556894f...@news.ping.be>...

>ha ha ha ha...
>my dutch wife never complained about this, despite we settled here in
>my native country, Belgium, 30 years ago! And never heard anything
>like over here...
>
>what the fuck is that for bullshit!


You don't beat your wife, so no Belgian men beat their wives. What a
wonderful, logical thought process.

>>In the US, that's still really not a valid excuse. A woman is typically
in
>>a much weaker position to hurt someone.
>
>Not if she's good in shooting.

Damn right, honey.

>>You've seen enough to confirm your ill-founded generalizations that
American
>>men beat their wives and we're all okay with it!
>>
>And you , imagining it could be the case in Belgium...

Not me; read the thread first.

>shoud you make Karl Marx's statement true:
>"Bullshitters of all countries, unite"?

Interesting; how does one say "bullshitter" in German? or is this yet
another example of your brilliant logic?


Susan Umpleby

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Robert-Jan Veldhuizen <veld...@xs4all.nl> wrote in article
<1070.7402...@xs4all.nl>...

> On 08-apr-98 05:37:10, Susan Umpleby wrote:
>
> SU> Robert-Jan Veldhuizen <veld...@xs4all.nl> wrote in article
> SU> <340.7401T...@xs4all.nl>...
> >> On 07-apr-98 10:52:18, houghi wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 7 Apr 1998 00:43:32 GMT, mj...@ix.netcom.com (Wings) wrote:
> >> > <snip>
> >>
> >> > <troll>
> >> > I am also aware that not all Americas have loud shirts, are
old
> SU> and

> >> > have blue hair, but why are those the ones who get out ofn the
> >> > country?
> >> > </troll>
>
>
> >> You forgot: why are they all so FAT?
> >>
> >> Zorba/Robert-Jan
>
> SU> ------------------------
> SU> :) Well, Robert, I'll let you in on our national secret, but
promise
> SU> not to spread it around. Our FAT is actually a well-planned
> SU> phenomenon, implemented on a national scale:
>
> [six-pack action plan]
>
> SU> So, the next time you see a FAT American tourist you will know
that
> SU> person is doing his or her bit for the world in general.
>
> Thanks for sharing your insight in this matter! Still one question
> though: why are the Americans so generous to the whole world then?
> --
> Zorba/Robert-Jan

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